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What are you doing? We're, um, cleaning out the garage to make it a rehearsal space for starting a band. For a band? Yeah. I used to play drums in high school. Cool. Really? I was in a band myself. Oh, yeah? What was it called? The band was called Myself. It was a sort of solo percussive group. You know, djembe, narimba, gonga, bongo, bimbale, you know, just like, yeah. And you played all of those yourself? I played all of them myself. Wow. The Big Fork Daily called it really very weird. Oh, that's great. Congrats for that. Yeah, congratulations.

Okay. TBTL.

I'm going to suggest that we have a little constructive talking time. Not long at all. I mean, maybe 10 minutes or, okay, or maybe 15 is also good. I'm not trying to be disrespectful or anything, but I kind of feel like you're winging this and it's going bad. They sound un-fricking-incredible together.

Bada-boom! You are in business with a couple glue-sniffing squish heads.

I don't even care how this turns out because I'm just going to eat hot dogs. And so that's all I really care about.

All right, hello, good morning, and welcome, everyone, to a Wednesday edition of TBTL, the show that just might be too beautiful to live. Oh, la, la. My name is Luke Burbank. I am your host. I'm an activist and house party enthusiast. Coming to you from the Madrona Hill studio perched high above the mighty Columbia, where I'm holding in my hand a candle. i don't know if the company that makes it is called awaken or if the company is called aromascape i think the candle the fragrance is ocean air i have this in here because i am going to need it today i was um doing my little exercise this morning on the treadmill and i thought that i maybe had like a bathroom accident or something like the potty what's your body because there was a foul, foul odor that was filling the Madrona Hill studio. And then I looked out the door, and I realized my neighbor is having their septic tank drained. Stinky! It is pungent. So we've got the candle. We've got episode 4261 in a collector's series, and

we're going to do this, folks. Let the fun begin.

You know this guy they're calling the Belltown Hellcat? This 21-year-old who drives this very loud muscle car in the middle of the night in very densely packed areas of Seattle. What an idiot. Well, he went to court the other day and was pulling some real old-timers. And the judge said, you're going to jail, my friend. So we'll give you an update on this whole situation. And we'll give you an update on this guy, the longest-running co-bro of the show, maybe best known for his depictions of the tall ships. Not everybody can say that. Not everybody can say they're the longest-running co-bro of the show. Oh, wow. In fact, he's the only person who can say it. He's Andrew Walsh, and he's joining me right now. Good morning.

Good morning, Luke. How are you doing? I'm jealous of your candle. I love candles. I don't have any candles. You make candles, though. I make candles sometimes. I've really fallen off the wagon. I haven't made candles in years now. Genevieve has made some candles. We're all out of candles. I love, I mean, as much as I love making candles, I love a good, expensive store-bought candle, the kind you have there. Genevieve doesn't let me really buy the store-bought candles.

This is not that expensive, by the way. I think I got this at Target or something.

All candles are expensive. Even Target candles are expensive. It's one of those.

Well, that is true. It was probably still $20.

It was probably at least $20. I'm looking at that guy. I'll bet you that thing was like $25. That's why people used to go crazy for the candle sales at Bad Beth and Beyond, as I like to call it, because they are pricey. Even there at, and I'm telling you, Genevieve keeps me on a very, we don't usually talk in these terms, but Genevieve keeps me on a very short leash when it comes to candle buying. If I come home with a store-bought candle, she has a lot of questions, and they are not presented in an open-minded way. Candles are expensive, and you have a nice one there.

You're saying that there's an air of suspicion in the line of questioning.

How much did you pay for this? Why would you buy a candle? We have candle-making supplies now. They're very, they seem to be very overpriced at the store. And as much as I love making candles, there is something about a brand new, especially like you have there, like that, whatever, it smells like the air of the sea. Like, come on, that's so great. It just is, you know, not one of those sticky, like, caramel apple or something. I'm not into that kind of stuff. Right, it's not a Renews It plug-in.

right exactly and um so it even has a nice it has a handsome wood lid i could tell you didn't

even show me the lid but i could tell it was one of those that's like kind of slots right on top so i'm jealous of that i'm not jealous of why you need it though i know man what i was this is what

i always wonder when when you go past i don't know some kind of sewer event where you're like wow i can like i'm driving down the freeway and let's say like a sewer line ruptures somewhere and you're Like, I can smell that. It's like, the parts per million on that, the particles per million have to be so small. Like, what I can't believe, and, you know, I'm on a septic here, too, so at some point in the next few years, I will probably have to hire someone to come out and do the same thing. But I don't understand how mere human beings can generate a smell that is so bad that it actually, like, literally infects the environment. Like, shouldn't it just kind of, shouldn't it whiff out the window? Shouldn't it just kind of go up into the atmosphere? I mean, we're just talking about just humans. They're just flesh and blood. They're just going number two, and then it's collecting in this septic tank or distributing. By the way, do you know how a septic tank works? I only learned this after buying a house with a septic tank.

Do I know how it works?

Were you on one in Geauga County?

Never lived in Geauga County. Never had the pleasure in Cuyahoga. I'm sure we were in a septic tank maybe when I was a very small child because we lived out in the country. But I think a lot of maybe city services came to us as I got older. So, no, I never I never stopped to examine a septic tank.

They're beautiful. There's something there's there. They're sparse and beautiful. No, I guess what they do. I thought it was just a big tank where all that stuff goes. And then and then, you know, every few years someone has to come in and vacuum it out. But it's actually got a whole thing called a drain field. So it's got to use gravity Some of them use a pump But basically what happens is You flush The liquids Go down through this drain field And basically Just I guess you know Sink into the soil And or evaporate

A drain field is underground?

Underground It's all underground And then the solids That's what stays in the septic but there's this whole drain field thing there's this whole gravity component of it because you need it to everything's got to drain out and go downhill but anyway i i just i don't understand how it is that emptying something like that could like make it smell bad at my house it's i'm like i'm hundreds of feet away from them and there's so much atmosphere around us like like you know what i'm saying like how how how is what happening over there how has that so infected the air

quality where i am that it's like all i can smell well i'm not a scientologist but i mean my your hypotenuse my guess is we're talking bacteria like you're saying hey listen we eat what we eat it's that it's not that toxic it passes through our system it's processed in a certain way if you think about our body as like little machines it's not that gross i there's a conversation you and i had luke god probably 10 years ago that i think of from time to time and it's when you told me didn't want me to be on the show anymore and it really hurt my feelings um but we powered through

and then there was another you won your union grievance on that so here you still are

what if i was just for 10 years here against your will um i uh no a conversation we had about this is really really gross and i don't know why we're talking about it but somehow we got on the topic of like gosh darn it you know what i think it was i think it was a bet that this idiot in Cleveland, not me for a change, this idiot sportscaster in Cleveland had regarding the Browns, and he had to eat something very gross. I believe it was some sort of fecal material if the Browns went winless, maybe? I know who the guy is. I can't think of his name off the top of my head right now. I used to listen to him all the time. It ended up making national news, of course, and so that led to a pretty awful conversation on this show about how awful is it to have to eat something like that, And I remember, I didn't even really recall the lead up. I'm just remembering that now. But I remember you talking about horse dung and saying, hey, listen, one minute it's hay. The next second, a majestic creature is eating it. They digest it a little bit, comes out the other end. It's processed hay. You think about it that way, it's not that bad. But I think what we're, and so humans, obviously, we're eating more diverse things than hay. We're eating a lot of, I don't want to get into your neighbor's refrigerator here or deep freeze. I don't know what kind of Totino's

Yeah, I'm not guessing a lot of Whole foods, and I don't mean the store I mean a lot of like, you know Fruits and vegetables pulled directly out of the ground It seems like a much more Let's just say highly processed situation sure so you know that of course adds to it but also i mean i think the real the real issue here becomes the bacteria that breaks this stuff down over time right i mean that is where the true i mean it's all awful i mean you're talking it's all awful but i think that's where the true awful stuff comes from is as it breaks down and the enzymes and bacteria start

working i'm just saying that and i think you're totally right about that as far as what it is that creates the bad smell that we associate with that stuff. But again, what I'm just saying is like I'm surrounded by millions, probably billions of particles of oxygen. Like I don't know how many like per square foot how many particles or atoms or pieces. Are they pieces of oxygen?

I think they're chunks. They're chunks of oxygen.

I don't know how many oxygen chunks are around me. But it's just crazy that like enough of them are infected with their septic tank stank that it's what I'm smelling in here. Like it just seems like that could just go somewhere else. or it would just kind of dissipate very quickly but in fact it does not dissipate I'm also sweating because what I normally do you're sweating to the poopies now do you have the bravery Andrew to make that the show title normally what I do if I use the treadmill in here for my little jog is then I will leave you've been in here, you and John were in here when it was pretty toasty for the thon week I'll leave the door open Because there's a screen door I'll open the screen over here I'll run some fans I'll really try to air it out But because I'm surrounded by a cloud of funk I have everything closed Which also means it's especially warm in here So I'm sweating I brought a dabbing rag You even asked me I was figuring With your demonstrated face blindness And kind of just lack of noticing things About other people sometimes And I mean that in a good way. I just figured I could be here dabbing my forehead and you would never notice it. But within one second, you went, were you just running?

Well, you were you came in kind of with a towel over your face. You can't you were shirtless, a towel around your your broad shoulders. You were wiping your face off. You were wearing boxing shorts for some reason. And you were yelling Adrian.

Can I tell you? Oh, that's a great reminder that TBTL will be in Philadelphia on September 28th. It's a Saturday. We're going to be at the Friend Center, the Quaker Center there in downtown Philly. And we would love to see you there. It's going to be really fun. We're going to go hang out at some kind of after party afterwards. I believe Susie B will be there. You can go to tbtl.net and get your tickets right now.

Anyway, where were we? Let's see here. So you were saying that you were surprised that I noticed you had your dabbing towel. And also that you're dabbing in the way that people were back in 2021.

Yeah, well, I was going to tell you that. So you and I have... Was that 2021?

When were people dabbing?

2019? Go ahead, sorry. When was Backpack Kid? I just don't know. Remember him? Remember the floss, the flossing kid? Oh, yeah, that's right. I think his handle is Backpack Kid, but he's gone through a religious conversion now. Oh, no, really? So he, like, Backpack Kids for Christ or something. It's an interesting app. He's, like, flossing for Christ now.

Okay, good. Good for him.

But, no, you and I... Okay, so we meet up most mornings at just about 10 a.m. and uh to start recording the show and you know some days i'll be running a bit behind some days you might be running a bit behind sometimes we're both here at 10 but there's usually a little lag and i think that i think it's probably safe to say that whoever gets here first feels a little

better about themselves right it's like you have a little sense of superiority look at me i use that

time to do push-ups well you were here first today by by a number of minutes but i had logged in before you after my run figuring i'll come back and and then andrew will see that i'm logged in so one he'll know that i have i'm not trapped under something heavy and two maybe he'll think that i was here really early like i just i wanted to be like the first one in the meeting but guess what this thing takes a snapshot of us and it's fully me with my towel i'm not kidding no so the picture we have now is not that but the original picture of me the thumbnail of me from today trying to log in a little early trying to flex trying to be like i'm the good one i'm here first even though i still have to go run down and take a shower the picture was busting me out because i was clearly post-run oh you would have see like the photograph would have showed me uh in that condition and so you would have known you would have been on to my scam which is to log in early and then leave and then come back but still somehow have the moral high ground

I don't think I would have noticed unless you truly were shirtless or something maybe I wasn't shirtless but I

was fully in a running shirt and a towel literally a towel over my shirt I still don't think

they're very small little snapshots I don't pay that much attention to them and also I mean, not to sound aloof here, but I don't think I go through the same – I don't think I go through the same sort of, I don't know, mental gymnastics maybe that you're describing. I will feel bad. If I'm late, I feel bad. If I'm first, I just feel relieved that I'm not late again because I think that you probably wait on me more than I wait on you. So I just feel bad about it. Then I feel a little bit less shame if you're not there. But I'm never like, where's this joker?

Look at me. See, that's the feeling I have when I get here.

In fact, I even admitted to you today. I'm like, yeah, technically I dialed up first, but I ran in here at the very last minute and told you. As I'm demonstrating now, I have nothing to say today. So you have to carry the show.

Well, here's the other thing we've established. There is a thing that happens. I hope I'm not putting you on blast. But when you get on the line, when you log into the system and either I'm there but I'm not on camera or I'm not here, something in your body shifts something changes and you then need to go use the restroom oh that

is true oh yeah yeah no that's right i was trying to figure out what you're talking about there but um yeah that is true sometimes and this is well i don't know how much i'll just say quite you know part of my morning routine usually is using the bathroom having a little having a little andy bathroom time myself anyway right when i first wake up but then let's say that like that's a morning where i've woken up you know with plenty of time and maybe like an hour an hour and a half later i dial up and you're not there and i'm like okay that's fine and this really gets into my this weird psychology i have about things that prompt me to need to go number two and we've talked about this on the show a lot um bookstores is a good one um or like sneaking around ever since i was a kid like if i was sneaking around playing hide and go seek of the second i'm i'm by myself and i'm sneaking, suddenly I'm like, uh-oh, the rumble down under, and things like that. Since I've talked about it on the show, a lot of people have emailed in. I know that there's no scientific explanation for it, but it has been researched in Japan. I'm blanking on the Japanese name for it. I want to say not Maricomo. I can't remember what it is. There's some word that is assigned to this thing that happens to people sometimes when they're alone or a bookstore or in a haunted house or something by themselves. Why would you be in a haunted house by yourself? Strike that from the record, where you just suddenly have to kind of go to the bathroom. This is the Friday night tour, right? So we can say anything. Yeah, you can say anything, please. It's my first day. Is that part of the deal? Is it the tour guide's first day? I don't think so. Okay, I just made that part.

The tour guide is pretty experienced, but Tim Robinson's character, this is an I-think-you-should-leaf sketch where it's like a Victorian haunted mansion tour, but it's like the Friday night, you know, late one, so you can maybe have a little wine, and the tour guide says very innocently, and, you know, it's Friday night, so we can say anything. And then Tim Robinson's character, it's just blurting out wildly inappropriate things. Just pure filth. Because he was under the impression you could say anything on this tour.

And it becomes a problem. It's very much like, I don't know if you've ever taken, I'm sure at some point in your life, Luke, even though you're a local, you probably had visitors come to town, you gave them like the you took them on the underground tour of seattle which you can you

know they have i have not been on that tour since i was a school kid i was so let down by it yeah

i mean it's like have you been on it i have and that's what i remember is that the one that we went on i don't remember who was visiting but we took some friends on it and it was it might have even been on like a halloween night or something but it was exactly that it was like the tour after hours this isn't the one that we're going to give the school kids we're going to mention prostitution and you can swear down here sort of like that kind of thing and then in this particular sketch Tim Robinson really takes advantage of that loophole

I was trying to think if there's anything he says in the sketch that I can say to make you laugh and I think the answer is no see when I was a kid I heard that there was an underground Seattle and you would see these signs for it and people would talk about it and I imagined it like a kingdom of Atlantis like underground Seattle I thought it was an entire it's a world an entirely different city with like buildings and town a town square and like but old you know what I mean like I just thought it was an underground like this incredible underground thing which was a big obsession of mine as a kid of course secret passages dig some kind of tunnel or secret passage or underground layer I just really wanted to be Hans Molman apparently and so we for school we got to go on this underground Seattle tour and I was so ready for some Jules Verne-esque shit and maybe maybe HG Wells is a Who did Journey to the Center of the Earth? Was that Tennyson? I am pretty sure it was Lewis Carroll. So, yeah, we got down there. My memory was like, oh, this is some dank hallways. And they're like, this is where they used to do this. Now, if I went as a grown-up, I might have more appreciation.

You'd have more appreciation for the history that Seattle did have to basically bury itself and rebuild on top.

of itself because of the geography and the situation at the time the history is intellectually interesting but if you're a kid and you're like there is an entire underground there's a whole city built underground probably gold yeah like

I definitely thought there was gonna be piles of gold mm-hmm and I there wasn't any of that the Portland has these tunnels that I want to go check out that are featured in the Nicolas Cage movie pig did you ever see pig no I didn't

that's right that's kind of an arty movie should I see it I thought it was I mean I thought it was pretty good

no it's I mean Nicolas Cage plays a one time hot shot Portland chef who's kind of sort of withdrawn from society and now he just lives out in the woods and he picks truffles and comes down and sells these sells these really great truffles to the local restaurateurs in Portland and he's kind of like a sort of a reclusive mysterious legend but he's got this pig that he lives with in his cabin the pig is the you know who smells the truffles and the pig gets stolen and, and now we're, now we're off on our adventure. And, but of course, because it's a Nicholas Cage movie, at some point he has to go into these underground tunnels of Portland and like fight guys in like a real sort of fight club esque way, you know, like, and, um, I didn't think that was a real place, but Becca told me it's absolutely a real thing and that you can go down there. There are these tunnels under Portland. So I want to go check that out.

So, um, I'm going to finish one thought that I'm going to move on to something else I've been wanting to tell you about and why I'm shocked about something here um so i was going to say that whatever that sensation that i have sometimes if i'm like kind of like by myself or in a room by myself or playing hide and go seek for some reason you know how it'll make me prompt me to need to use the restroom somehow being in the empty digital room like if i'm in here and i'm like okay oh luke's not here yet then you know usually it's like oh good i can you know kind of go through some more emails or whatever i'm sitting here at my desk i'm ready to go but then there's something about like sitting here knowing that like you and i are technically kind of sharing a space together but sometimes it'll just be like you'll have already dialed up but it's just your empty chair or whatever like it will prompt me to then revisit the restroom um for a second time for round two for for round two within the first getting your fiber yeah absolutely what i wanted to tell you is something that i was wondering whether or not i should bring it up on the show because i don't think this is something that just i mean i have no the people in our audience have a variety of tastes and backgrounds of course but I feel like a lot of the people who I hear from on the show probably would not enjoy the movie that I went to see a few weeks ago. I think I was going to see it. It was playing. Was it Long Legs? It wasn't Long Legs. I was going to go see it when I was staying in Kelso. It was playing in the theater that I could literally see, like, I don't know, a hundred yards outside my window in the hotel room. You were in the movie theater district. There was an AMC right there.

And the J.C. Penney district. Like, okay, they're still doing that.

And I always get, yeah, I know. i can't tell if that mall it looked like it was open but also the parking lots were always empty

it was a very strange place i i have it's it's weird that mall is totally operational but if you looked at it driving down the freeway or from your hotel room looks dead as a doornail but it's got

like stuff in there but i walked past it at like 5 p.m one time and i swear it was closed i really wish i had at least tried the doors i should have walked might have been the last mall i ever go through i haven't been through it like an old-fashioned like indoor mall in forever but this movie was only in theaters for a very short period of time because it was not going to be a blockbuster but Kinds of Kindness by, I want to say Yorgos Lanthimos but I don't know

that I'm saying that correctly. Oh yeah, that's Emma Stone?

Yes, and he's the guy who did The Lobster which was a very weird movie that I liked and then he did The Favorite which was less weird. I never saw Poor Things I loved The Favorite

I thought that movie is like one of the best movies I've seen

in years well I really loved the favorite but I had heard from a friend it might have even been our pal Kat Solon director to the stars who said that the favorite was it was kind of a period piece and it was more mainstream for that director which is probably why I liked it and that he wanted to return to his weird stuff and I had heard this before I saw his new movie Kinds of Kindness I'm like oh yeah that's right the lobster was pretty like kind of dark humor but like very upsetting and so Vives and I went to see Kinds of Kindness and the only thing I knew about it was that it was him that i like him as a director and that i had read somewhere that it was like three short stories and i wasn't even sure if they fit together or not and it was three short stories and it was so good and so dark it's the type of thing that i don't even know that i can reckon like honestly like like i loved it it was so beautifully made i mean the guy has got such an eye and such a and such a way of pacing a movie out so that you're the absolute edge of your seat and you're like why am i at the edge of my seat and it's weird as hell it is so weird it has the guy um jesse not matt damon jesse not man damon do you know who i'm talking about the guy who looks like matt damon but his

His name is Jesse something else. Do you have any idea what I'm talking about?

Jesse, not Matt Damon.

Jesse, not Matt Damon. Do you know the guy I'm talking about?

No.

Jesse Plemons? Oh, Jesse Plemons. Yeah, of course.

Sure, but you think of it, that's really funny. I guess he does look like Matt Damon now because he lost a significant amount of weight. Jesse Plemons did, but I'm thinking of his previous appearance, which didn't scream Matt Damon to me. Oh, really? I can see what you're talking about, particularly now that he's actually quite svelte. from um i met him when i was in austin by the way really from the first married to kirsten dunst

from the first time veves and i saw him about 10 years ago or so in fargo we were like oh my god it's like a heavier matt damon and we always just called him and it was rude we called him fat damon i think a lot of people did um and apparently genevieve was just telling me this last night and of course he's played a whole bunch of different roles now and i love him um and um genevieve said that there was something she saw on instagram or tiktok just well it was genevieve so it was definitely Instagram and it probably wasn't a story because she doesn't exactly know how to use those either but she said she saw this wonderful interview with him about like how he his whole life people have told him how much he looks like Matt Damon and he said you know I've always wanted to ask Matt Damon kind of what he thinks about that I never had a chance to ask Matt Damon that although we were in the same movie together because there was some movie that Matt Damon was in as an adult I'm gonna say maybe 15 20 years ago no probably yeah probably like 20 years ago that Jesse Plemons played the young version of Matt Damon in this movie. And apparently the person who did this interview with Plemons then goes and interviews Matt Damon. And Matt Damon's like, yeah, it is weird. He's like, I was on the set and there was this kid who looked more like me as an adult than I did when I was a kid. And everybody was obsessed with this little Matt Damon running around. And that is Jesse, not Matt Damon, Plemons. so anyway I would say Luke like if you're into and I honestly don't know I don't know if you'd be into this one

I'm not hearing a lot of words from you that make it seem like my kind of film I loved the favorite but that's because that was like his you know God only knows or something as compared to something like Smile like his most accessible yeah there you go pet sounds

or pet sounds sorry not animal sounds so anyway yeah I don't know man I really loved I mean Emma Stone's performs especially in the last story is just so incredible and so hard to um describe there's some there's a couple of other um actors in there whose names i don't know off the top of my head but i've seen them in other like kind of uh kind of recent films uh a couple of women i'm thinking of who do just excellent jobs and what they do is they take all all i let's say there's an oh and willem defoe by the way is another one and so there's like maybe six main people who are in each like actors who are in each short story but none of the stories really have anything to do with each other and they all play vastly different characters than they did in the story before but there is one one thing one very very tiny thin string that ties them all together um so if you like very dark things and very weird things uh that are really well made this isn't like i'm not somebody who likes just like dark you know what i mean like i had friends in college who were like look how you know look the guy's head explodes or like I'm not into that kind of thing it's a really well-made movie but I was just looking it up to see if I could get some of these actors names in front of me and I see the reviews at least on Google it got a 1.9 out of 5 according

I bet you that Yorgos likes that I don't know if any director likes getting a one-star review but I feel like if you're willing to make work that's that edgy you know that a lot of people are not going to get it you have to go in prepared for that right i guess so but i do want to say like

it's not just weird for weird sake like i mean for whatever that's worth like it again it like it might not be for everybody and there are part there's some there's a little bit of body horror in in one of the stories and so you know that's certainly something that i think a lot of people uh listening right now would not be into so you know fair warning or this isn't for you but it's not it's it doesn't just it's not just shock value it's not just oh look how weird i can be. It's just such a well-made movie. On Rotten Tomatoes, it has 71% for a critic score, but a 48% audience score. That's better than

Paul Blart, Mall Cop.

Well, that must have gotten at least 100, right? Or 90?

I don't like this about myself, how affected I am, both in the positive and the negative direction, by things that are not related to somebody's work. Let me set it up this way. so i think emma stone is great i really enjoy um her acting and like i'm just an emma stone fan and then i found out that she grew up extremely wealthy in arizona where her family owned like one or a series of golf courses or something and it made it still makes it hard for me

to think about her the same way because I have this feeling of like, wow, you were born on third. Now, Emma Stone's acting is completely something that she, a craft that she developed all on her own. Her amount of money that she grew up with has nothing to do with that. So I should just be able to respect the work on its own terms. But I will admit to you that it kind of bummed me out when I found out that she was also super wealthy growing up. I don't know why, just because I have this huge chip on my shoulder about how I grew up in a little bit sort of more economically marginalized circumstances. The opposite is true with the director Yorgos Lanthimos, who I found out recently played professional basketball in Greece. Oh, really?

He's not even taller. Yeah, like a long time

ago, before he was a director, obviously. And for some reason, that shot him way up the list in my estimation. Like, this guy can also hoop? Like, wow. And he's, like, I'm surprised that a person's brain, I feel like you either get the kind of physical ability like to play professional basketball or you get the mental ability to like make these edgy films the same person being able to do both really struck me as boy that's a real well-rounded individual listen to this are you listening i'm listening

when i worked at kcrw the public radio station in santa monica for a couple of years there i you know i worked at we had a very small space uh for the newsroom and people would sort of come and go and there are some people who like probably worked for that company who i was in meetings with but I couldn't tell you much about them and then there were other people who sort of fell into my orbit who I sort of felt like I got to know a little bit better and one of them was an intern who I think maybe he must have been college aged at the time or maybe yeah he must have been like college age at the time and he was a basketball player very very tall guy and uh super nice and and worked his butt off and I remember you know I got to know him a little bit and um I think we would both maybe work late sometimes and he was working whatever he was working on whether he was a producer on another talk show or maybe um he was maybe even assigned to do a story or something um we would chat i remember talking to him about like i don't i don't know if i was a reference for him but i definitely remember like kind of trading emails with him like hey check out this opportunity like sort of helping him maybe find like the next vine to grab onto in his career as a as a journalist or somebody who wanted to work in radio but i also knew that he was an accomplished basketball player of some sort as well. And so we would talk a little bit. I remember I think he left KCRW first and we say goodbye, but we stayed in touch a little bit. I remember even, that's right, I remember being in Seattle and still exchanging a couple of emails with him about, I don't know, job opportunities or something. And since then, we haven't been in touch in a long, long time now, probably like 10 years, but I'm still Instagram friends with him. And I have watched him, like I have not seen a lot of evidence on instagram that he has like uh gone into journalism but it seems like he has become very successful at basketball but i've never been like super clear i don't really understand the world of basketball i don't understand sports generally speaking um and i didn't and i knew that at one point like he was playing for like a u.s team of some sort because i would see like olympic related things uh associated with him and the instagram account and whatever and then the other day i open up instagram and i see a photo of lebron james and a person who i don't know i apologize but a very famous wnba player and my friend hoisting up the american flag wait your friend is on the olympic team and i i say that and again friend i mean i actually think like he would he would like i always like i always want to make sure i'm not overselling my relationship to somebody but i think he would remember me i mean we were we were a bit of buds but i i'm waiting for i'm waiting with john sklaroff outside the eagles waiting on katie to come open the doors before sunday's um bracelet making event and john and i are just chatting and maybe i pulled out my phone or something i saw the photo i'm like oh look at this i'm like hey this is kind of funny um and john you know knows basketball and i'm like yeah this is a photo of like a guy used to know from kcrw what's this guy's name hoisting the american flag with lebron james i'm like

like it's just kareem maddox and john's like kareem maddox the three-on-three guy you know that guy and so then i was googling him today and kareem maddox is apparently um or maybe i saw more on his instagram or whatever but yeah kareem maddox is a guy that i know from kcrw just like the nicest young man in the world who now is probably condescending to call him a young man because again i knew him 10 years ago went to princeton oh that's right yeah he was in prince yeah i mean he's a he's a fancy he's one of those people who like it just seems like can kind of like do he's a genius and he can play basketball and again just like one of the nicest guys i've ever met and now he's hooping it up three on three i mean this guy he may already have how oh here it is how kareem medics went from public radio to the olympic stage that was just that's defector headline from five days ago Holy cow, do you think he mentions me? You still have his number? I have his email address, probably. Get him on the show. Yeah, baby. Live from Paris, man. How's it going out there? What's that three-on-three? I just thought it was so funny. I'm like, hey, look, somehow this guy I used to know is in this photo with LeBron James. And John's like, you know Kareem Maddox, the three-on-three guy? So there you go. That's crazy.

So was he actively, was he in college when you knew him?

Now that you reminded me of Princeton, so I think he was already a Princeton grad at this point. So I think he was maybe a young college graduate.

i think but also sounds like not the fact well one of two things could be happening here i was gonna say he sounds like a a pretty understated dude if like you knew he was into basketball but he wasn't like giving you breathless updates moment by moment like the fact that you were surprised to find out he's playing in the olympics makes me think he was pretty understated about it

yeah one read or also you just weren't listening i well i mean i knew that he had especially once i saw on instagram that he was had associations with like the u.s olympic team for years now probably eight years i have seen him posting things that had something to do with the olympics but luke i i said before i don't understand basketball i really don't understand the olympics like i'm not even joking like i don't care about the olympics and i'm not saying if you do that that's dumb or whatever like i just i for some reason i cannot get myself to care about the olympics and like a couple of weeks ago i kept on seeing all this olympic coverage and i I was asking Genevieve, the only person who's less equipped to answer this question than me, have the Olympics started or not? Because I keep on seeing the Olympic thing on TV, but I have not heard anything about opening ceremonies yet. And it turns out there's all these trials and all this stuff. So and, you know, you can be on an Olympic team or a U.S. team, but not necessarily maybe partake in the actual Olympics. I don't know how it all works. So I just thought, like, I don't know, he's Olympic adjacent, like very, very accomplished. but like i just didn't know and i never i never like you know did the reading to find out and so when i finally saw that oh this is like he's pretty high profile now if he's hoisting the

american flag with lebron james following his professional playing career in europe he volunteered at his local public radio station kcrw there you go monica california he then transitioned to being a producer for to the point oh there you go to the point yeah yeah I'm Warren Alney. I'm Warren Alney. In October 2017, he became a podcast producer at Gimlet Media. It doesn't say this here, but I'm going to also put in tallest podcast producer in the game. He quit his podcast production job in January 2020 to pursue his dream of making the U.S. Olympic three-on-three basketball team. Well, there you go.

So at least you know I'm not lying. Are you reading from the Defector article that I just stumbled on?

No, I'm reading from Wikipedia.

Okay, there you go. But yeah, there's this whole Defector piece about how he is. also sounds like he's more successful in broadcasting than me too but like i said

which just seems rude well it couldn't happen to a nicer person you know i love though that he's on this team okay now we're gonna now we're gonna descend into weird basketball territory which four listeners will care about but this us three-on-three team features him and this guy named Jimmer Fredette and Jimmer Fredette is an absolutely fascinating figure to me he played um a basketball for BYU he's a shooting guard uh just like could literally like just he could hit from practically any part of the court you know on the other side of the of the mid-court line like he could just drain these really deep threes and he was like I mean he might have been the scoring champion one year in college but he went to the NBA and it just never quite clicked for him first First of all, I just think the fact that he's called Jimmer Fredette is really funny. Like, it's just the—his name is James, but everybody calls him Jimmer.

I've never heard of that before, have you? No. Calling you somebody named James or Jim Jimmer?

No, I haven't. But he's—I only knew him as Jimmer Fredette, and he was kind of this sensation in college. And so he goes into the NBA, and he kind of washes out. And then we're like, well, that happens. That's the last we'll hear of Jimmer Fredette. And then he goes over to, I think it's Asia, where he starts playing professional basketball for the Shanghai Sharks. And he becomes a sensation in China. Like, first of all, he's scoring like 50 points a game. Everybody loves him. I believe he learned at least some rudimentary, you know, Mandarin. And he really kind of embraced the culture and the people there and became this, like, he's this huge star in china he's like one of the most famous people in china jimmer for debt even though most people stateside have never heard of this dude yeah no this is yeah this is all news to me and he's on the team with uh with your pal so those two are jimmering it up jimmer and uh what's your other friend kareem and kareem who's the third guy i don't know i'll look that up it could have been me man jimmer for dead is 35 okay so he's not young if i would have if I would have kept it tight if I would have stayed on my game you know I don't know I could have been on that team

who's the famous um public radio uh

This would have been so much funnier if I could have thought of his name. Who wrote the theme song to On the Media?

Oh, well, isn't that Disposable?

Oh, you're right. That's Disposable. Genius. Jazz. Who's the guy who, like, for the longest time, maybe he wrote the DJ Lederman.

BJ Lederman has the best entertainment lawyer in the game because nobody gets name-checked on that network more than BJ Lederman.

Is that still true, though? Do we still hear BJ Lederman a lot?

including some remember when they changed the morning edition theme song a few years ago it was a it was a big thing for people like me and that was of course at first it's I mean this is what's so interesting about that kind of stuff it sounded really strange to my ears and now it just seems completely of course yeah that's just what happens right through yep but it's you know so they updated the theme the original was written by this guy BJ Lederman who kind of I think at the time just nobody was trying to write these songs for these shows so just kind of defaulted to this one guy to do most of them like the wait wait theme song and the morning edition and stuff like that but now they have a new version but they still have to say every once in a while you'll hear the really long credits on like a friday and they still have to say something like our morning edition theme song was written by and i feel like the name of who wrote it is now like a corporation it was written by soundscape you know whatever of course um inspired by bj lederman he's still getting he's not even his song anymore but he's still getting some kind of credit on there I mean god bless what's the harm but I just think it's so funny how he he has really he really negotiated some kind of very ironclad deal where like he gets brought up a lot on that well they

must have also the new version must be in some way a variation on his theme though so that must be it maybe they just said okay take what we have but modernize it and therefore he gets the credit All of that is to say he's probably the third person on the basketball team. That would be so incredible. It would be, for a lot of reasons, because he's probably in his 60s.

I would watch that. I would tune in for three-on-three basketball if I knew they threw in a random public radio composer just to mix the energy up.

I was watching, Genevieve and I were watching 30 Rock yesterday, which, you know, I feel like, I don't know. I feel like I must have seen every episode of 30 Rock at least once, if not a million times. And it was just like the default show for the longest time. But we hadn't put it on in a while. At least I hadn't watched it in a while. All I have to say is, at one point, Kenneth refers to the TV show, You Know What and the Bear. Which is somehow, by not saying anything at all, the most filthy way of describing that show. But what was the real name? BJ and the Bear. I'm just thinking of BJ Lederman now. Oh, yeah.

see I didn't watch I didn't grow up watching BJ

I didn't watch it either I just knew of it I just knew of it I mean isn't that another I always get this wrong and I have a million theories and it led to a lot of frustration on the show before but I just feel like there was this period where everybody had a movie or a TV show where they were driving a truck and there was like a chimp or something and it wasn't BJ and the Bear one of those or no? Yeah it is I'm looking

it was an action comedy starring let's see it was starring Greg Evagan. Oh, of course. And a monkey, apparently.

Okay.

Which is interesting that it's called BJ and the Bear, but he's not driving around with a bear. No, the chimp's name is Bear, I think. Right, which is a little bit confusing. Yeah. But yeah, there was, I mean, you had like Clint Eastwood in Every Which Way But Loose. There was a lot of like putting monkeys and orang-outans into things for comic, you know, effect. That was a big thing in the 80s. Was Smokey and the Bandit another one of those as well?

And weirdly, the bandit was also a monkey. Are you being serious? Oh, see, I thought I was actually being serious there. I wasn't trying to confuse the issue. I really thought that that was another one that had an animal sidekick.

I'm sure there was some moment where an animal popped in, but I think Smokey and the Bandit, that was Burt Reynolds, and I forget who else was in Sally Field, I think. Oh, okay, yeah.

I always get so confused by this stuff.

Anyway, the point is we're all going to tune in for three-on-three basketball in the Olympics to watch Andrew's dear, close, personal friend, Kareem.

Exactly, my ex-boyfriend. I'm just going to keep on exaggerating our relationship. We dated for a couple of years. Hello, and welcome to Top Story.

This guy who's named Miles Hudson, also known as the Bellingtown, wait, Belltown. I knew I was going to do that. I told you before the show. I always want to call it the Bellingham Hellcat. Well, you lived in Bellingham for a long time. I did. It looms large still in my memory. The Belltown Hellcat is this guy who has got a bunch of Instagram followers, and he drives this souped-up Hellcat that I think he had modified to make it even more loud. And, you know... really really frustrated a lot of people that live in that part of seattle because he'll drive it around super loud late at night and it's just like totally ear splitting and hellcat is an

actual name of a make of a car i assume that's one thing i haven't even examined in this i'd

never heard of a hellcat before well it's i'm just based on the name you can imagine it's the kind of

vehicle you and i would love it's certainly me i mean how many tables and how many tables and

chairs can i fit into the hellcat this is how i make my living sunday yeah um yeah it's uh it's I don't know if it's – I'm going to guess and say it's like a Dodge Charger. Oh, that rings a bell. It's a Dodge Charger Hellcat SRT. Okay. First of all, I just don't understand the mentality of – I don't understand the mentality of having a loud car and then actually spending money to make it louder. Like I would feel so – the amount of shame that would wash over me if I was driving a car that like interrupted everybody else's day. Oh, my God.

Or just like the idea of like, well, everybody's looking at me right now. What face am I making

I can't think of anything less comfortable Than driving through town And everyone has to stop Because you're just like It's this massive noise pollution thing Like I can't think of attention That I would want to receive less Than that kind of attention Yeah me too But this guy's been in trouble Because they finally Because he'd make these videos But then the cops were never around When he was driving over 100 miles an hour Or waking people up And so finally they actually did Bust him on some of this stuff An eagle-eared cop I think heard him somewhere a few blocks away and pulled him over and gave him some kind of ticket. And then he's had a few citations. He's not supposed to be driving the car, but he hasn't been showing up for various court hearings. He's also got some domestic violence charges or stalking charges, too, that are sort of going on.

And sharing personal pictures of an ex. I mean, it's just like that stuff is really, really gross. But, you know, and putting aside that serious stuff, like just generally speaking, like he is literally a scofflaw, like like throughout this whole thing, like he the whole thing with the car, like driving it loud, you know, documenting it on Instagram, like trying to, you know, just like literally just trying to disturb the piece and then create a nuisance and then try to like kind of brag about it without getting caught. And then once getting caught, like, well, I don't want to steal where you're where you were going with this, like showing up in court like a lunatic and just like not doing anything that that he's supposed to be doing.

Yeah, he was ordered to pay a fine of eighty three thousand dollars because they were basically charging him thirteen hundred three hundred dollars a day for the number of days that he hasn't complied with the order, which I think involved him not driving his car. He's also not allowed to post on Instagram now Which I didn't even really know a judge could do I think that has to do with the stalking

I think that doesn't have to do with the car

That is totally unrelated to the car Because I guess they're saying that he was posting things Related to that relationship or whatever But I didn't realize that you could be in court And you could be completely covered up In like a sort of a balaclava And by the way, there's no indication Well, that's not true i haven't seen any indication that this is a particular religious belief for this person although i think he did try to get his attorney to argue that it was a religious thing because there's been some clips of him on zoom court where first of all he's supposed to be in court but he's not there the judge is like why are you not here and then his lawyer is going i think that was my fault for telling him he could be on zoom and the guy is on zoom he's covered up like lawrence

of arabia like you can see no part i swear glasses on this whole wasn't there another hearing though where he was there in person i swear i saw a photo of him in court dressed like that yeah because

what happened was the judge on zoom was like you need to come in here so the judge ended the zoom session was like get down here so he did finally come down to the court and then he's still like completely and totally like obscured from for like which again i just didn't think you could even do in a legal context because part of the whole thing is like is the person who's here that we're having a some kind of a administrative hearing about is it the person that it's supposed to be here like you'd think you'd have to be able to in some way kind of see the

person's physical appearance identify them now listen what i'm about to spit is some real reddit knowledge here so you know beware but a lot of this well this whole story actually first broke on seattle the seattle subreddit like you know going back months now because this is where people in belltown were complaining about it and like who is this nuisance and everything and then And eventually, I remember even when the authorities started to get involved, they were like referencing, you know, Reddit a lot. And so this sort of started off as a Reddit story. And I've been sort of reading, you know, in kind of a post Twitter world, I've been kind of paying more attention to like some subreddits like Seattle and kind of getting some information from there. And I think that's where I learned that you're. maybe not your favorite taco time but one of the most interesting taco time buildings uh was no longer gonna be a taco time in wallingford biodome biodome but anyway um you know i'm gonna say about a week ago i saw or maybe a couple of weeks ago after this specific hearing people were sharing photos of this you know guy this hellcat driver uh dressed from head to toe just like you can't even see you know like an inch of his of his skin or real person and people were like can you do that and some people are saying like i think you i think it is breaking the rules but sometimes judges need to decide whether or not they're going to waste the court's time by trying to crack down on that like again i just mentioned like this guy's just a scofflaw he is just trying to rule he's just a troll he's just a real life troll who is trying to make everybody's life harder whether it's the people who live in the city when he's waking them up at three in the morning to the police to the authorities like he's got something broken in his brain obviously right and so fine you're gonna drag me into court well then i'm gonna do this obnoxious thing where you literally can't see me at all and then you know does a judge want to like kind of like file whatever motions you know what i mean i don't know if judges file motions i don't know what the shit i'm talking about but like generally speaking like does a judge want to kind of take the bait on that or just get through with the hearing you know that was anyway what some people

were saying yeah so he then yeah you're right he ends up going to court but he's still like in this very kind of mysterious kind of look where and he's got sunglasses on and all this stuff which i'm just telling you if i were him i mean i guess this is the difference between me and him if i were him i would be doing everything in my power to not piss the judge off because the judges can really mess with your life if they choose to and they can also not mess with your life if they choose to and like why would you make it worse on yourself so he's in court he's in this get up he's totally ignoring everyone even though it's like you know he's the the hearing is going on related to his cases and he's just posting things on instagram he's taking pictures of his car keys and posting it on instagram and then the judge says what are you doing and is like i'm posting this on instagram and the judge makes him delete the instagram post of his car keys which i just thought was like so just again so shocking that he's just sitting there in court flaunting i mean look i'm not a huge law and order dude like i i'm not it's not like oh how dare you disrespect the seattle you know municipal court that way but it just out of self-preservation like this is i feel like and this is going to be very old man yells at youth culture but i do think because of instagram and tiktok and social media in general i my guess is that this is a young person who is probably struggling with some emotional issues and who thinks maybe that they're if they can just become infamous enough because he's got like 750 000 followers on instagram i think he thinks that the way that he can rise above all this is just to keep being so incredibly rude and unhelpful that he'll keep getting more instagram followers and then he'll just be able to monetize that and you know when he gets out of jail or whatever he's out on bond now but like i think he just figures i have to keep leaning into this being like the heel um but it's kind of a bad look

yeah that's interesting i mean there might be a little bit of um if not logic maybe strategy to it like you say like obviously the only thing that matters to him it's like trump instagram following yeah but there's something and again like what is that what is that word the thing that we're not supposed to do as broadcasters although i feel relatively safe in this space um you know when you're not supposed to diagnose somebody from afar with a mental illness that's the goldwater rule sure yeah um you know so acknowledging that to a degree and that i am certainly no psychologist but like clearly something is off with this person and in so many ways seems like just absolutely detestable person but also like as we describe this behavior and then like fine you're you're going into the courtroom well then fine i'm just going to dress up like a ninja so that nobody can see me at all like doesn't it does it remind you of anybody you knew who was like a real problematic child and now as an adult you realize like oh had probably some serious stuff going on in their home life like when you were a kid like I'm thinking of a kid right now in um and keep in mind I went to school kind of in the country with like probably kids who did not have a lot of the same you know kind of benefits of living a middle-class lifestyle that I did I don't think I realized that at the time but like we grew up and we were not poor but kind of grew up in an area where there were some people who were really struggling with poverty and probably all kinds of, like, home issues that I had no idea about at the time. We were all just kids, you know, being made fun of for various reasons or surviving the best we could survive. But there was one kid, I've used his name before, I'm not going to use it.

now um but he was a very tall kid whose dad was like um uh a vietnam vet and um i'll use his first name his name was vance and he and this kid was like really tall and he always wore like you know like uh military greens and like his his father's old army stuff or whatever fatigues or whatever and he was also just like he was just like kind of out of his mind and like i remember like he did some really self-destruct like he was always getting in trouble i remember he did some really self-destructive stuff to his body pulled out of a patch of his own hair and then and it never grew back and he called it his heli pad what the heli is it doing up there he would make jokes about it and it was just like it was a very strange thing but he was so self-destructive in so many ways that he would do stuff that would just be like why would you possibly do this in class just to get in trouble and then once you're in trouble like okay now you have everybody's attention and you're just going to sort of double down and triple down and just like be a nuisance to everybody and especially the adults and I would just like kind of watch this and now like as a kid I didn't have the same thought process about it it's like wow like Vance is really you know he's really crazy today or whatever but like you think about all the other stuff that probably went into his upbringing and it's it's a sad story you know and so anyway I'm just wondering do you without using names the way I did like does this remind you of anything like that that you would see

like some sort of well certainly any bully any bully that that bullied me when I was a kid um if I think back on that now I'm most of them were coming from pretty chaotic home environments and I think that was a would be a big part of it I remember this kid so I used to um you know when I was in maybe like middle school or something we'd go down to Green Lake in the summertime all the time and i was really into like trying to you know do new crazy dives off of the high dive and stuff and i met this kid and he was there by himself smoking cigarettes but he also liked doing crazy dives off the high dive so he kind of hit it off he had kind of you know his hair was kind of like travis bickle from taxi driver like this is like a 12 year old kid who had clearly cut his own hair to be like that and he was just like totally unsupervised and i remember like we kind of hit it off but i was also like but i was like man this guy is just like we'll just does he gives zero f's and then we would he needed to get something from like his house he was like okay so we like rode our bikes our like bmx bikes over to his house which was one of those it turns out pretty run down motels on aurora avenue not so much up by where where uh you know you and vives are but more sort of like down closer to like um lake union yeah yeah where you kind of cross the bridge and um and i remember we went over there and then we went into his you know their motel room because he was getting something and i just looked around and i was like oh this is a really different kind of situation than than my life and what i'm you know dealing with and it

like and as you have well established it's not like you guys were living high on the hog at all

no but but i mean there's levels yes and so that's what i just mean that it's not like you

were coming from like the fancy suburbs and and and and seeing poverty for the first time but i

was like oh this is like i was i really this maybe this makes me a a bad person but i remember after we left that place i thought i'm gonna kind of like i'm gonna i'm gonna have an arm like arm's length relationship with like i don't know what this is going on here but it does i don't feel great about it i don't want to go i don't want to do any spend overs i don't i had this feeling that like this was a person who was going to get themselves and potentially me in a lot of trouble Like I already got in a lot of trouble as a kid, but it was like petty stuff. It was like, you know, we broke into the portable at the grade school and we stole a Nerf softball, you know, stuff like that. Like I was like, this is a kid who's going to be going off the rails if he isn't already off the rails. And I was like, I don't think I really want to mess with that.

And do you ever know whatever ended up happening with that?

No, no. I don't know what happened to him But my guess would be, unfortunately, probably Unless he's a real statistical outlier My guess would be that, you know He's living a pretty tough life It's so, so hard And people do it, but it's so hard to go from You know, kind of not being supported as a kid And having a pretty chaotic existence To sort of picking up the tools that you need I was just talking to somebody about this the other day, too Because for all of my complaining about the fact That we didn't have a lot of money when I was growing up I am very fortunate in that I never ever wondered like am I loved are my parents other than when my appendix was possibly bursting and they weren't taking me to the doctor I just had like I didn't have any question in my mind as to if my parents Would keep me safe and if I was loved and that's I think fundamentally probably the two things you really really need as a kid growing up

And so I have to really check my privilege on that because I like to complain about how weird my childhood was. But at the bedrock level, I was very fortunate to have the stuff that I had going for me.

Yeah, you knew you had somebody there looking after you, even if it didn't seem as active at times as it could be. At the end of the day, you knew you had a home to come home to and a family to come home to.

I wasn't this kid riding this bike that he probably stole back to this motel room to where it was just like a total disaster. His mom is like nowhere in sight. I'm going to guess that she was probably involved in some sort of drug situation. Like, I mean, this kid was just fending for himself. And it's just like very feral. And if I would have been a better person, my thought might have been, hey, let me invite this guy over for dinner. Let me try to like kind of, you know, maybe be some sort of influence on him. But instead, I was like, this is a weird feeling. I'm going to I'm going to kind of back away from this.

Well, I mean, you're a kid. You're all figuring stuff out. Like, again, like you and I didn't have the context for these things. where we're just like, oh, that kid's a bad kid or whatever. I thought I just fell out of a coconut tree. You thought you just fell out of a coconut tree.

You think you just fell out of a coconut tree?

Here I go once again with the email. Every week, I hope that it's from a female. No, man, it's not from a female.

All right, hey, let's do an email or V-mail for old times.

What are those? Yeah, no, we're going to start getting into some more emails and V-mails. And we have a few here. I don't know how many we can get through, but I want to share this one. You mentioned earlier in the show, Luke, that we will be heading over to the city of brotherly love later this fall, the very end of September, September 28th. We're doing a live show at the Friend Center there, and we have one listener who is very excited to hear that.

What's up, guys? This is Danny from TV's FBI checking in. I am so excited that you guys are going to come to Philadelphia. I actually grew up in Wilmington, Delaware, which is about half an hour outside of Center City. So I'm so stoked for you guys to be in my old stomping grounds. To that end, though, I actually have a question based on something that Andrew said on yesterday's show. He was talking about Detective Eckerd from 89 Batman, and he described him as holding a styrofoam cup of coffee, wearing a trench coat, and having a hoagie.

And I just want to be very clear here for the Batman 89 heads out there. I know that isn't actually something that he holds. I can picture him holding a gun and maybe even a flashlight at one point. I'm just saying that's the vibe he gives. He's like he's a heartburn incarnate.

And that's what we call that kind of sandwich back home. You know, it's a sub, it's a grinder. Right. But I always thought Hoagie was a very specific regionalism. You know, it's growing up, you know, I'd had friends be like, gee, you want to go to Wawa? Get me a ball of Hoagie. you know so is that what you guys call that in seattle or is that a holdover from ohio

what do you guys call that sandwich all right how power out yeah you got it um well this is i i haven't examined this you called it a hoagie i must have called it a hoagie in that situation um now a couple of things i i hadn't really examined that before this but i will say we do live in a more global world so that might be part of it you know i don't know if i grew up saying hoagie or i don't even really know that that was part of my diet or vernacular at all growing up like honestly we had sandwiches we made sandwiches at home i don't remember like going out for hoagies but there is like i think in cleveland a place called mr hero and i guess they are is that do they call them hero sandwiches there maybe have you heard of a hero sandwich as a hoagie or do they call them mr. hero hoagies let me take a look at this i'm actually looking

up the reason that one of the reasons i knew that hoagie was a thing well one because my mom's from philly so she would call it a hoagie and i love by the way how danny was slipping into real delco territory there i don't think he actually lived in delaware county but like get a hoagie at the wawa like that's a that's a very very specific kind of delaware county sort of thing but there was i have this vague memory of there being like before there was subway or at least before subway was nearly as widespread as it is now there was a sandwich chain like a national sandwich chain called hoagies and i feel like their mascot it wasn't like it wasn't mr belvedere but it was a guy that kind of looked like him maybe a more ball like a butler type of guy and it was called hoagies and used to be able to go to this place called hoagies in seattle but i it was part of a chain because i would see ads on it uh for it on tv um but so did they have that in in ohio do you

I don't remember a place called Hoagies in Ohio, that's for sure. And again, so there is a very Ohio chain called Mr. Hero. And when I went back to Cleveland and I saw the Mr. Heroes, I was like, oh, wow, Mr. Hero, I'm back in Cleveland. But I will say that was not something that my family really went in for. If we were getting fast food, we were probably just getting McDonald's or something.

along those lines like it wasn't part of my like kind of cultural growing up in cleveland in fact i almost like sort of i almost sort of um in retrospect feel like i missed something there because there's sort of a well there's a hero worship around mr hero but i'm on their website hero worship a show title they don't seem to call them hoagies on their menu at all they have something that they famously call the roman burger which is some kind of like two patties on a hoagie roll but this is what i really want to get at here all right maybe the reason i say hoagie or that it's like kind of an it's at the you know top of mind for me is because there's yes you can call that type of sandwich various things in various parts of the world danny went through the various options subway sandwiches sub sandwiches whatever but like you always make them on a hoagie roll right like i feel like if we didn't grow up saying hoagie sandwiches we definitely talked about hoagie rolls what else could you possibly call the style of elongated bun that you serve that stuff on it's always a hoagie roll right anywhere everywhere all at once so that's where you got that from i'm just i'm exploring this with you right now but yeah i mean i just can't i we wouldn't say like a hero role i think or uh or a whatever what are the other options sub role i think you would always say a hoagie roll yeah i think you're right i i will

tell you this too i am probably going to break my general non-meat-eating vibe when we go to philly because i do probably need to go to wawa and get a get a hoagie at wawa um and also probably do the although you know what i was going to say i might have to get a cheesesteak but there i had a vegan cheesesteak in philly which i know that sounds ridiculous like that just seems like it's the why even try but it had this place called blackbird it was so good like i think that maybe it's one of those things where because the real meat is so processed and just salty that it's easier to kind of fake it you know with just like some kind of plant-based thing that's also salty and whatever but yeah i had a vegan cheese steak in philly a few years ago that was really really

good well i do want to get a hoagie at wawa this becomes a real issue for me because you know i was in philly you know 20 years ago or something when i was living in new hampshire and visiting some friends in philly and of course it's the philly cheesesteak and of course i don't eat cheese or most types of cheese or whatever so we went to one of those places that you know in cities like this that are famous for a certain kind of food there's like the the you got to go to this sandwich stand or that one yeah i think new orleans is another one and it's everybody you know there might be various ones so anyway our friends take us to whatever the what they think is like the official place you got to get a cheesesteak and so a group of us go there and i had the like pat and gino's is the big is the big debate right is it is it pat's versus gino's or is pat and gino's one place it's i think it's pat's versus gino okay yeah i'm not sure that's that rings a bell to me and maybe we were at gino's uh but either way um i remember having the embarrassing and actually they were fine behind the counter nobody said anything about it but i had to be like so can I get a cheesesteak without cheese please which was just like a terrible thing to have to say like I didn't want to have to say that and then you're I mean it doesn't sound like it's as much of a conundrum for you but like kind of ordering a cheesesteak without the steak I guess is sort of the same thing so would you put you remember Romney's whiz no no that would be the that's even worse because that's a big thing whiz no is you can do that I thought maybe no I don't know that would oh god that's just terrible but didn't Romney like because I was even thinking well maybe i could swap out the cheese with something else because i don't remember what didn't romney get asked to swap out the cheese with like provolone or something and he got buried in

the press for that or something does that ring a bell it does um and god what a what a simpler time yeah right when that could get you that could that that could be a big issue in your campaign is that you did an inauthentic cheesesteak order yeah oh cheesesteak with swiss i think was what he ordered maybe yeah i'm looking up a list of now um r.i.p 12 great philly cheese steak shops that no longer exist um because i was gonna say the place that we used to get stuff from was called stocksy steaks which was not pat's nor gino's um and that was in my family yeah stocksy steaks the fox chase shop was just south of the main oxford avenue drag um but even with a wawa a few doors down it was popular for lunch and late night snacking but i guess stocksy steak is uh no more so it's a r.i.p i guess so but um i am getting hungry i'm looking at i am too i'm so i i don't know if like what what i should do about that like if i should uh for some reason did we did taco time come up earlier in the show or am i just hallucinating i had to i had this very strong sense that i should go to taco time later today no i don't think it's always on my mind

maybe just the spirit moving you have you been to taco time saying like what was it three weeks ago

when we were at your place no I think I kind of overdid it that night like I was doing this weird thing where I was and listen I say this with peace and love but I was so disappointed in John's ordering style that I needed to karmically right the wrong by going to uh taco time and ordering everything good so I ordered like a lot of food and then I came home and just like inhaled it and I was like okay I need to take a break from this and also there was just so much taco time discourse that week but I need to yeah

and I need to um I've been trying to eat a little bit better I know that like as i kind of deal with i guess this rheumatoid arthritis like i uh i know that salt is not good for you know any you know i got swelling in my joint so you don't want to be eating a lot of salt so last week i was doing really well eating and leading and enjoying like you know nice big fresh salads every day for lunch but then we've had pizza in the fridge for the past for the where'd that come from ever since the the bracelet making party now today's only wednesday but like we came home on sunday i probably had a couple of slices on monday for lunch i probably went upstairs with the intention of making a salad and then saw a big pizza box and ate a couple of slices yesterday did that like twice i think i went upstairs had some pizza came back downstairs did some work for a while then probably dipped back into that the pizza's finally gone i went to the store yesterday i bought myself a nice big thing of salad greens so i gotta say i did wake up today thinking boy i'm a little creaky today and i'm like could it be that quick of a reaction of just like kind of getting off of the healthy food and like eating processed pepperoni pizza with salt and everything can I be feeling I'm still trying to figure out the exact kind of cause and effect of all of this stuff but I am going to be a very good wife's very very fresh vegetables waiting for me upstairs right now yeah you should track that and see if it feels like

you know I twisted my ankle the other day just like walking down my stairs And it's been bugging me And now every time I take a step And it's uncomfortable, I think of you So I just want you to know I want you to know that you loom large in my mind To the point where now as I'm like Stepping and I'm like, ooh, that's uncomfortable I'm like, yeah, okay, you have one slightly dinged ankle Andrew's been dealing with multiple situations Like this for weeks

Every time I feel a sharp pain shoot up my leg I think of you Alright, you want to wrap it up there today?

I do, I certainly do Whoa, too loud. Okay. Too specific. But here's the thing. We're going to be back here tomorrow with more imaginary radio for all of you. So please do join us for that. In the meantime, have a great Wednesday. Take care of yourselves. Go Mariners. Is that a jinx? No.

It's, I'm, no. We're hopeful.

I feel like the fact that they have a chance to win the series, which is all I would have wanted going into Boston. It's like you take two out of three. I'm pretty happy with that. The first game was so bad that I became dispirited and I was withholding my Go Mariners. But now that they've evened the series, I'm ready to get hurt again and say Go Mariners.

Well, I mean, off air yesterday, you and I were talking about that park, Fenway Park. And both of these games have been outrageously high-scoring games. As much as the first one, it looks like the Mariners probably got a lot of those runs in some sort of garbage time situation. It ended up being like it looked close, like 11 to 7 or something on Monday, right? and I don't know what it was yesterday, but yeah.

Oh, so we almost kind of caught up a little bit on that first game?

Yeah, it didn't end up being 11-1. I think Monday's game was like 11-7. Now, I don't know how that all played out. Point being, I just don't know what to expect. It really seems like true weird-ass chaos ball out there this week.

Well, we'll see if the new folks that we've picked up actually kind of move the needle a little bit. All right, we will see you all tomorrow. In the meantime, please remember, no mountain too tall. And good luck to all.

America.

when you did not have a sir at a hotel room. And today I channeled my inner Luke hotel behavior when I ordered a breakfast bowl and they didn't give me utensils. I wasn't going to let that breakfast bowl go to waste. So what did I do? I looked around the room and found something that could be used as a scooping vessel. And I used a plastic coffee lid to scoop the breakfast burrito into my gullet did it work well no but did it work oh yes did so Luke thank you for crawling so I could walk no I didn't walk today I flew so thank you Luke for crawling so I could fly Power out.