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Hey, Tim, what are you up to?

I'm just chatting with one of my friends here.

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Well, the Internet offers me up to five unique avatars that I could chat with virtually any time of day.

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T-T-T-B-T-L Guess what day it is? Guess what day it is? It's Friday, Friday. Gonna get down on Friday.

Everybody's looking forward to the weekend. I feel a real need to express something, but I don't know what it is I want to express or how to express it. Oh, I see. Dirty monkey not okay, but dirty monkey dance?

I know, people say I'll fill up, but you have no idea how my body processes soup. And boom goes the dynamite.

All right, that's gonna run. See you on the flippy flops.

All right, hello, good morning, and welcome everyone to a Friday edition of TBTL, the show that just might be too beautiful to live.

I don't know what's going on. I love this.

My name is Luke Burbank. I am your host.

You think you just fell out of a coconut tree?

Coming to you for the final day from beautiful San Francisco, California, where we are absolutely socked in inside some sort of fog bank. Cloud fog. On this Friday, the Outside Lands Music Festival is descending upon San Francisco and Golden Gate Park this weekend. Maybe even as I'm talking to you, they are starting to line up there for this big outdoor music festival.

There's a Hidden Valley Ranch party in my mouth.

Looks like it might be a cloudy day for all that. I think this usually burns up. I think that's the San Francisco move. You've heard about the San Francisco treat. Here's the San Francisco move. Cloudy in the morning, it burns off, everything's great by afternoon. Everything's going to be great here on episode 4,268 in a collector's series. Let the fun begin. I can just feel it. Speaking of Outside Lands, I read an article in the SF Gate today about some pretty extreme lengths that folks are going to to get cheap alcohol while they are at the Outside Lands Music Festival.

You scare me. You're an alcoholic.

It does really appeal to the, like, 10-year-old version of me, though, which we'll explain coming up. Also, speaking of music, I mentioned this article yesterday that I saw in Rolling Stone. The writer Rob Sheffield is trying to make the case that the most popular band in America, in terms of at least album sales in 2024, is Creedence Clearwater Revival. We'll look at his evidence for that. And we'll talk to this guy, longest-running co-bro of the show, maybe best known for his depictions of the tall ships. He is here basically for three things this Friday morning. Intimate conversation, self-disclosure, and a little music thrown in, too. He's Andrew Walsh, and he's joining me right now. Good morning, my friend.

Good morning, Luke. Can you help me come up with a word for a phenomenon that I'm trying to dial into here? I'm looking for maybe some sort of a portmanteau situation. I'm not sure. I can get you a portmanteau. Sorry, I just heard. With portmanteau nail polish. I woke up this morning with a song going through my head, and I know that it's kind of a hair metal band song, but I don't know who sings the song, and it's not even.

There's going to be another firehouse situation, which may have not even actually unfolded yet for the listeners.

Oh, that's a good point. Yeah, we're in that. we're in that

we're in that

weird part of the year where we've done enough special programming that my brain can't remember what has yet unfolded on the air and what hasn't.

So put that out of your mind, everybody. Don't worry about that. But all I know is I woke up this morning singing this, and I don't sing much, and I hate doing this, but it's the only way to do it. And we cannot play the actual song. We're getting into trouble with music on the show, so I can only do it this way. And I'm going to purposely sing this bad because I don't want to be pulled down in Belarus the way your music for your weekend was because you turned up a Post Malone song in the Waymo car for like 10 seconds.

I had a feeling that was going to be a problem.

I'm sorry. It was 10 seconds of ambient radio song that you turned up. And I get a note that said, well, you're going to be okay, but you're not going to be able to play this video in Belarus and Russia. Really? White Russia? I'm being quite serious. Again, I'm not trying to neg you here.

i just thought it was so funny i actually in the moment i had two thoughts in that moment and then i want to get to your questionable rendition of the music i had two thoughts one was i i literally thought this is going to be a problem on youtube um bs though which is so silly and then the second thing was i was like i didn't want to take a moment to mention that the singer morgan wallen is by all accounts an absolutely despicable human being oh um and i just i want people to know when you watch the hey dummies video this week in the newsletter and you see me geeking out in the back of a Waymo car a driverless vehicle that was taking me around something I'd never personally been through before it was very exciting I turn the music up and I say hey Post Malone and Morgan Wallen let's go that was not an endorsement of Morgan Wallen's lifestyle Morgan Wallen seems like a guy who's got a lot of problems and has a lot of thoughts and how he expresses them is I think very toxic to the world I just didn't want to footnote that while I was vibing in the way So can I just may I offer that, too, as just a caveat for everyone?

Re-singing does not imply an endorsement. What did they used to put on their Twitter bios?

Retweets do not imply endorsements? But isn't that literally what a retweet is?

No, not necessarily. In fact, I read an interview with the first fella, supposedly. You didn't see me, but I was pushing up my glasses on the bridge of my nose there a little bit. A while this goes even me reading this goes back a few years now, but somebody interviewed the fellow who supposedly was the first person to put that in his bio on Twitter. And he was a journalist. And his point was, I'm just putting stuff out there. He wasn't trying to make a big splash or start something. He just ended up starting something. But his whole thing was like, I'm just following various candidates. I'm following this. I'm following that. I'm just retweeting stuff because people Are you know coming to my feed to find out The latest of what's going on and whatever his beat Was but he wanted to make it clear that like He's not retweeting this like liking It like saying hey this is an awesome Idea he was just you know retweeting Things that his sources or whatever would tweet

I guess that and from a journalistic standpoint Makes sense and yeah it was like retweet And then the equal sign but with a slash Through it endorsements yeah right that's what it was Just not equal that's what it was God what a trip not since you mentioned Real player on the show have I I've gone on a longer strip of nostalgia. But from a journalistic standpoint, I can see that. You're just saying, I'm just kind of informing you. I'm not making a judgment on this. I do think in other ways, like in my life, because I wasn't really a journalist on Twitter, just a giant open wound in need of attention that would maybe at some point, if I got retweeted by Richard Marks, who said, this is a good tweet, feel okay for a matter of five minutes. Richard Marks was not endorsing your tweet, by the way. Well, he didn't just retweet it, Andrew. I'm trying to say Mr. Daisy Fuentes, the man who places his head on a pillow next to the lovely Daisy Fuentes, one time of MTV fame, one time of the – what were those beach shows? MTV Spring Break? Like Spring Break, but I almost think it might have been a more – Um, you, you actually, a couple of times when the MTV of that era has come up, you've had a little more info on it than I was expecting, honestly, because I figured that was a, a real no for you, but there seemed like there was a brief moment where you were at least aware of that kind of stuff.

Like you, I don't know if you were into it or not, but it wasn't like, what happened was I, I didn't have cable my entire life. I didn't have it. I mean, in fact, we grew up in the country. So we, I mean, I guess this was the fact for everybody who didn't have cable back then, but we had like three networks and then two UHF stations. And then I got cable, I believe, for the first time in like maybe early high school or something.

And it was, of course, at Burgundy Bay.

That might have been when we first got it. But when I really started to connect to it was when me and my dad moved to Lakewood, Ohio during the divorce years, which were also. So I got I got cable and MTV right around the time I entered what I call my.

So the idea of suddenly having access to, like, the very horny MTV spring break where they had, like, hot people playing games on the sandy stage where they were trying to pop balloons between them by hugging each other. You know exactly what I'm talking about. Oh, I know. That was what you call a P1.

Did you have the kind of cable box that was digital, digital? Digital. Or was it still the kind that you click, click, click, click in a circle? You probably just got into digital.

Yeah, no, this was remote controlled. In fact, I would watch the show. No, actually, that's kind of an inaccurate joke there. I think I just missed the era of remote control, the TV show hosted by Colin Quinn. But maybe I was just the tail end of remote control when I entered my MTV years. But yeah, I would click on the remote.

Yeah, that was a big upgrade. We didn't ever have cable at my house, but the people who had cable, it was mostly those kind of like still that box that you would click, click, click. And then when I moved out and eventually was living in a group, not a group home, as in, you know, I had been the state had made me live there. But like a house with a bunch of people, different folks, I had cable in my room and it had a digital box on top and it had a remote. I literally never had a remote control in my life up until that point. And I just could not believe that's I was living there when the Atlanta bombing happened, not by Richard Jewell, for the record, not Richard Jewell event happened there. I remember watching. So whatever year the Atlanta Olympics were, that was the year that Lucky B got his hands on his first ever remote control. That was like uniquely his possession. OK, so back to singing. What song what song is jangling around your head on?

I was totally right, by the way. It was 96. I think I only know that because Genevieve grew up in Atlanta, so maybe, like, because I do not pay attention to the Olympics, and I do not pay attention to years, yet somehow I knew that was a—

That's a spicy international competition.

Okay, so I woke up this morning with this song going through my head, a song that I don't think I really knew before recently. there's a hole in my heart and it only can be filled by you or something along the line extreme see you do know yes and i really so i'm you know why i know it i think i do and i think i know the reason i know it i'm puttering around the kitchen i'm singing the song and then i'm like what is this what is this song i'm singing like i know it's a hairband song but it's not a song that like i was like you know it's not like motley crew or whatever like i had a few of those tapes growing up and then it occurred to me whoever this is these mfers are probably playing at the eqc casino or the swinomish casino and lodge or one of the many many commercials that i hear constantly during mariners games and you can confirm that then that is absolutely something that's running

right now i can confirm that they're coming to the eqc with the band living color because right After you get done hearing, there's a hole in my heart. You hear Cult of Personality, which is the Living Color radio hit, and that's what they're playing. Although I was more of a, if you're going to talk about Living Color music, there was a song called Glamour Boy by Living Color that I thought really slapped. If I was putting that commercial together, I would want to play a deep cut from Living Color, but that's why I wouldn't have that job. Yeah, right. Nobody wants the deep cuts in the 30-second EQC, the biggest and best in the Northwest, Andrew. uh nobody wants to hear that uh so that's why you that's why you've got extreme now the thing is

i to me extreme is more than words yeah exactly that i know that i would have no confusion like that would be a song if that was going through my head i'd be like oh yeah that's that song that i know you know from the late 80s right and i think they do they throw that they might throw that one

in but i wonder if they feel like it's what they're trying to do with that commercial is is kind of say we've got we've got any kind of music you're into on this given night we've got it for you we've got these soulful ballads with these these these rock power ballads from extreme but it's not going to be all that it's also going to be kind of like it's going to be jamming dude because we've got living color here doing cult of personality driving the driving riffs of living color so they're trying to like say we've got every kind of music you could like as long as it's made by the existing members of the band or whoever's been hired to be the band living color and the band extreme right um but but because of that they don't go deep into the more than words but see that to me i mean the whole commercial should just be more than words i mean that song is so good i really i love that but i i do think energetically they have a problem because it's got to be way up here eqc the biggest and best in the northwest you know so you can't just you don't want people to think they're going to a vigil you know right now okay a few things so i

still want to circle but and maybe this is a bad thing to set up because we're going to come up with nothing because I've already

I've been thinking about it for an hour and I've come up with nothing. But I was wondering if there was like a word that we could use for like songs that become earworms because you heard them in a casino commercial. And I've been messing around with casinos. What have you got so far? Nothing. Essentially nothing. Cino worms. I don't know. Maybe we'll come back around to that. But I'm going to ask you a question that I think I ask you every time the song More Than Words comes up. there is a song that I put both of these in the same category I feel like they were around the same era I feel like they were both hard rock bands but they were these were their ballads you had more than Words by Extreme and there's another band that had a very gentle song where they were sitting on stools playing acoustic guitars

are you thinking yes yes whatever you say

it's yes

Tesla

yes I think so what was their no no no that was Signs right

because that was a cover and they did yeah No, but didn't Tesla also do – because, well, I think for – I feel like somehow for the song Signs, maybe they were also sitting on stools. Maybe. Is that where you're getting that from? But that's not the song I'm thinking of, though. That's not the song you're thinking of. I really thought you were going to know. Hold on. Hold on. Hold on. Just give me a minute. Give me a second. We need Lukes on these musical walls. Okay. So, wait. So, any more information? So it was a rockin' band that was doing, was it White Lion, When the Children Cry? No, that's new. When the children cry, let them know we tried. I wonder what that song was. I bet you $100 that song was something about the Cold War. If we dug into what they were trying to, little child, dry your eyes. When I sing White Lion, I sound like I'm Conan O'Brien. I'm doing an impression of Conan O'Brien singing.

Little child, dry rise

I bet you the lyrics to that song were In some reference to the Cold War Which was big in the news at that time

Scorpions definitely carve out their piece of history there

Sure By the way, great podcast If you're ever looking for one to listen to Winds of Change Interrogating the question of if the CIA Actually wrote that song for the band The German band Scorpions Oh, really, really good. I think I remember you mentioning that before. Yeah, it's been out for a few years now, but it's very, very good.

I'm looking up, like, I was looking up, like, 1990 rock ballads, but I'm not, it's not, no, it's not Brian Adams' internet. Jeez Louise. It's driving me bananas. I swear we've had this conversation before, and this is totally my fault. I mean, I've put you in an impossible position here. All I know is they were they were like, you know, kind of more you would up to that moment expect them to be more of a hair metal band. But then they did this like song where they were like being very gentle and they were and they were singing maybe a love song with acoustic guitars. Now, the problem is I could be, you know, conflating some of the imagery here with with the extremes of the world.

Because they are also, I think, on stools in that video.

Yeah, that's my problem. Can I guarantee that both bands were on stools? I mean, it was definitely a stool vibe. I mean, there was a stool boom in that time in rock music. The chairs are for fools. That is one thing I know for sure. So there was more than words. And then, I don't know, maybe if I stop thinking about it, my brain will just relax. Or they'll come to the EQC Casino before we finish today's episode.

I feel like we haven't heard from Sinbad in a while.

Yeah, that's a good point.

I hope Sinbad's all right. Actually, you know what? honestly i do think he might have had some sort of medical stuff happen i feel like i remember seeing some internet stuff where he was brought out at a show and and he's maybe been through some stuff so i'm not trying to be a bit glib about the work of mr sinbad but he just for some reason was just in fact i think our buddy kamaro kev who occasionally would have to cut those spots could just give you like a four to five minute impression of the different sinbad clips that had been thrown into casino ads for sin bad's appearances yes and he would yeah including the famous why is it that grandmothers have money they ain't got no job yes i think that might have been the one that's a solid that's a solid sin bad one um what in the world did i just end

up digital dream door.com best rock songs of the 90s and you're putting nothing but a g thing by Dr. Dre that is not a rock song what's the name of that website digitaldreamdoor.com

you've embarrassed yourself again digitaldreamdoor.com and they should really know the 90s because the website looks like it hasn't changed since the 90s wait I have an idea I have a theory I have a not even a theory but I have a name

and I'm going to ask you if it means anything to you good good

Queensryche Silent Lucidity nah that's a good guess

that's I mean that is because that's a real

Like, you know, emo song for otherwise rockin' band.

That one didn't do it for me, though. It was...

something that just it's just there's something about um uh now i'm blanking on the extreme song that we're talking more than more than words it was it was so like more than words and i feel like it was popular around the same time silent lucidity based on every descriptor i gave you is a just a hell of a guess and so i'm i don't want you to feel bad about that definitely and i realize again that i've set you up for an absolute impossible mission here but we'll get there eventually

queensrike again one of those bands that there are two different queensrikes and a big fight about who gets to call themselves Queensryche. I think I mentioned this to you briefly on air the other day. But, you know, earlier this week, the plan was for me to be in Los Angeles because I was supposed to be putting together a TV profile of the band War, as in Why Can't We Be Friends and Lowrider. And I was literally going to be driving around Los Angeles and Lowriders with, like, the guys from War. But it got, I can say this now because the story is dead. We're not doing the story. But it's an incredibly legally complicated issue to interview someone and talk about the band War because the rights to the band and the music are owned by a guy named Jerry Goldstein, who I think was their manager in the 70s. Also is credited with writing the song Hang On Sloopy, which also looms large in my mind because when I was in high school, my buddy, Peter Williams, was and he remains a really phenomenal cellist. and he went to music camp in indiana like you know for a month in the summer or something and i mean first of all that just a camp and there's going to be girls there are you kidding me right now like they just sounded like heaven on earth and i remember he came back and he had like sort of he had a girlfriend from being at the camp and he was telling me about her and of course i was just like i mean i was so jealous i was consumed with jealousy about having a music camp girlfriend but the dazzling deet was he said yeah and the interesting thing is her dad wrote the song hang on sloopy so i've all and i've just always walked around with that fact in my mind well i guess her dad was this dude jerry goldstein because he uh he has all the sort of rights to war and uh is has been um you know i guess you could say throughout the years has been very protective of the intellectual property that he is the contractually the person in charge of and so basically like that is one of those bands that once again has like people go you might the band war might come to a casino near you it may not have a many of the people who were in the original band because of various things and it ended up just becoming this kind of legally questionable thing like do we want to talk to a guy who joined the band war in 2016 or do we want to talk to one of the guys that was there writing the music you know and so it ended up kind of falling apart but it just the interview that is but it brought to mind for me just how we are now at this point where there are just so many the other thing i saw the other day on tiktok involving frankie valley you know frankie valley and the four seasons jersey boys all of that frankie valley is still touring he's 91 and i don't want to I want to be careful because I don't want to sound glib about this but you know 91 is is really pretty old to be out touring and it appears that in fact I saw Frankie Valli at the

Chateau Saint-Michel years ago and I would we were sitting on a blanket kind of far away so I couldn't tell but there seems to be pretty clear indication that he just sort of lip syncs now you know he kind of stands on the side stage there's a million people on stage that aren't Frankie Valli that are also not 91 and then they do all the songs and then Frankie comes out for the kind of you know big girls don't cry or whatever the you know signature Frankie Valli kind of vocals are but it's pretty clear that he doesn't sing them anymore and it also is pretty clear that he's getting to a point where it's difficult for him to in any way even sort of convincingly lip sync them and I was watching this footage last night and it really I mean I don't know what's going on in Frankie Valli's head maybe it's like his favorite thing in the world maybe like he loves getting to still go on stage I mean we all want to continue to do whatever it is that we've been proficient at you know for a long time so he may this may be his idea I don't know but it was a little it was a little discomforting to see him on stage not effectively lip-syncing to his own vocals at a very advanced stage and looking a bit lost it reminds me of actually speaking of the EQC

How many old men are you going to push out of their jobs this summer, Luke? My God.

Listen, I'm going to keep going until we've got every last one of them. Were we friends? Did you go to the Jerry Lewis performance? Lewis? At the EQC? This all comes back to the Emerald Queen Casino. Were you part of that crew? I know Camaro was there, I believe.

No, I think I heard tell of it. I think I might have been working with you at the time, so we were probably hanging out somewhat. But I don't think that I... No, I definitely was not on that trip.

But that was really, I mean.

that was that was a that was an odd experience just because you know i sort of like there are eras of jerry lewis's comedy career i was really obsessed with this movie called the delicate delinquent for a while which is where jerry lewis plays some kind of a like he's supposed to be i think like a teenage delinquent although he's probably like 36 but he basically like because he's been kind of a juvenile delinquent somehow his punishment is to go to the police academy like attend the police academy where uh things do not go as planned andrew there's also like a like in every one of these movies a phenomenally racist moment where he fights a quote-unquote like sumo wrestler when he's doing his training so there's a lot probably to a lot of arguments for just leaving that movie in the past but i thought there were some scenes in it that he was being funny and so i kind of had jerry lewis on the brain and then he's coming to the eqc and I thought was, this is, you know, probably the last time that this is going to happen. And I believe it was. And there was pretty long stretches during the show where it was pretty clear that he didn't really know what was going on. But it's not like Frankie Valli where there's 40 people on stage singing and dancing. There's this big music soundtrack. And so if, like, the main guy isn't totally on the ball with it, you don't notice it as much. This was just Jerry Lewis, a piano player, and a microphone, and a packed room, and a lot of confusion. It was kind of hard to watch.

I have some pretty big news for you here. And again, my apology to listeners who have gone down this journey with us before. I think I know for a fact at least once on TBTL have taken us on this exact journey. Hey, what's that song that I always confuse with more than words? Before I make the big reveal here, obviously I want to sweep the quarter hour here, Luke, so I'm going to stall a little bit here. I'm a little bit mad at algorithms, right? Like everything is algorithms these days. I shouldn't say that I met an algorithm.

That's your neighbor, right? Algorithm? Yes. He refuses to trim his tree that's dropping all those pine needles in your yard.

Dropping all those cookies in my yard. I was trying to bring it back to the internet. I went to the old Spotify, and I'm like, well, if I just – while you were talking, I have no idea what you've said for the past 20 minutes or so.

It was pretty forgettable, if I'm going to be totally honest with you. You really didn't miss much.

um i uh i went to spotify first i was like we'll just type in you know um uh more than words and like let's let's see what what pops up and it did not actually very good approach to this i put it on the algorithm and it's like it suggests the the algorithm there it was suggesting in excess and then it got further and further away it went into 80s stuff i was like what and i definitely did not find the song i was looking for but then i went to youtube and i'm like youtube is your algorithm better and i typed it in i typed in again i typed in the extreme song more than words and i wanted to see what youtube would suggest youtube suggested a few other songs not what i was looking for but when i expanded out about five songs down i found the exact song that i was looking for i obviously can't play it for you i looked to see if i could find the midi version i couldn't find a mini version but i did find well just sing it for me the song that i was looking for performed if you don't know how to say it sing it hey i know somebody with a blog of that name this is the song performed on a Roland SC-88 driven by Amiga 1200 this is nice

oh yeah this is the one I was looking and I always and I always I also always confuse this one this song with it so good uh I'm the one that wants to be with you by Mr. Big

Come on, baby, come on over. Let me be the one to hold you. Oh, I thought I'd show you.

I'm the one who wants to. Here's the thing about that song, though. So good, so good. It should, there should, that song is really good. It should come with some sort of a warning. There should be a five-day waiting period on selecting it at karaoke because what no one could have known is that there is a key change, like three-quarters of the way through that song. That song is so high.

hold on little girl

it's like already up there and then you're just like hanging up, you're like Harold Lloyd hanging off a clock and then you're like okay we're almost done and then it just goes up again and it's like forget it you're done I do love this version though honestly

shout out to Bricks on YouTube

should I make this my ringback number? my ringback song? so if you call me, this is what you hear while it's ringing did you ever have one of those?

No, I didn't have a ring back. I had a ring tone for a little bit of time when I had a new flip phone in the, I guess, mid-2000s. That was Cash Rules Everything Around Me by Wu-Tang.

Oh, I was in that.

I was just discovering you. I was 30 years old. I had my first flip phone, and I was just discovering my love of the Wu-Tang.

clan as a as a white adult it was i do think that because i knew a number i i feel like i had

something like that on one of my ringtones i feel like there was this moment where the technology made it possible to have a ring a custom ringtone and it could be a song and it was right at about the time when a good number of white people myself included felt like a way to prove that we were in some way interesting was to have our our our ringtone be a hip-hop song that seemed unlikely for us to be into i was definitely i i was caught up in that movement can i let me say something to

the filmmakers and television showrunners of the world i was i told you i was catching up on that show the boys they they released season four just recently um and my brain is like swiss cheese in that i would never eat it um and also that it's filled with holes especially if it's melted and only if it's in a whale if you my brain is like Swiss cheese whereas I wouldn't eat it unless you melted it and put it on pastrami um I was going to say that there's a so I finally finished season three a rewatch of season three so that I could remember where I'm entering season four and then last night um after seeing Deadpool and Wolverine with Genevieve at the theater by the way um we came home and we uh we kept the superhero shenanigans uh running with the first episode of season four of the boys and there's a and by the way the boys does not take place in like the 90s it takes place very much in like kind of an alternate but current um events setting right a very current setting so for all practical purposes this takes place in 2024 and there's somebody who is in a very important meeting um you know he's like somebody who basically works for a spy agency for the government and he is in a meeting with the president of the united states and a couple of other very very important people it's just like three of them or four of them in a room and it's a very tense moment and then the guy's cell phone goes off not the president's but the person who's sort of the focus here his cell phone goes off in his pocket and it's kind of funny because it's a cute song and he sees that it's his daughter calling and he has to like kind of slide to the left or the right or whatever and ignore that call but like even just forgetting about the fact that like you're somebody who's going in to have private meetings with the president of the United States and other just highly important people even was putting that aside how many people except I mean I guess there are their ringtone on there might be some older people who didn't like kind of like come of age with the technology even as we did in our young adulthood and so I know that some people leave their ringtones on I'm not trying to shame about that but generally speaking for a scene in 2024 where a man who's you know let's say he's in his 30s or very early 40s has his cell phone ringtone set to a special song and said at full blast while he's in the meeting with the president can we get rid of that trope now like i we've done a good job with the buzz buzz sound effect in tv shows i feel like to indicate that somebody's

getting a phone call well why was the ring do do do what is that you know what is that ringtone called that was like oh i thought you were doing um the scorpions no this is i was literally trying to somebody will know what this is called there was this i i mean i'm sorry we had some satisfaction we had some payoff with you figuring out that it was mr big yeah um the the the singers of that song and now i'm going to take this in a place where we'll never get to the end of this but there is a default ringtone that's like i cannot reproduce it's fully midi and it's like and it has this like under it and it's like it's the most i mean there was when the iphone had its new default ring there was that there was that certain sound of the iphone ring that would stress all of us out in public because like it we all were using it and it was also telling us there was an alarm going off but before that it must have been then it must have been on the nokia because it was a it was a ringtone that is so from a particular moment in history and it almost would be funny to make it your ringtone again because it's like i don't even think the phones that it used to you know what what were those nokias called not that i mean that's the nokia okay yeah that's 90s actually you know it's funny because ringtone plays kind of a weirdly large role in that show that my dad and Wallander with Kenneth Branagh that my dad and I started watching because and his is it's a little bit like that Nokia ring but it's slightly different but it is literally like a character on the show because every time it happens it's like he's gonna have to make some decision to go do something and it's like it's almost

sorry I'm just gonna try to keep this in the background it's older than that okay keep going I have an 8 minute video here where people are testing out various phones. Can we get through the show with this just in the background? I can't. I know it's too disturbing. No, I like it.

I find it actually, you know, sonically, it's more interesting than anything I've said. But this is too new.

So like what you're playing. Early 2000s. So you're talking 90s then?

I'm just going to sing it for you one more time. But you have to imagine. Here's the part. Go ahead. Part of why it's so impossible to sing is because it's got like two different things going on. Okay. So over the top, it's going. That's the over-the-top part, and the under part is, and it's all coming together in some kind of MIDI nightmare that was, I swear to God, it was the ringtone that so many people had.

I think I know what you're talking about. I just don't know what the search terms are to get there. I'm just listening to all these classic ringtones, and I don't know. I don't know how to identify it.

yeah the listeners will probably figure it out not because of my amazing rendition of it but because um i mean there's like a canon right there's a hall of fame of like you know the 10 probably most and what they were would have been the ringtones that were the default settings on some kind of phone that you know was in wide circulation and then people in those days not realizing you could actually make it something else um so they'll probably figure it out just

based on that my my point is and this is why i brought all of this up in the first place if you want to see mr big live they are touring europe right now tomorrow they are playing but are they playing with the band europe that that is a good question they're playing frankfurt germany on oh i know that place yes i've been there for 1.5 days of my life rather yeah don't show up there on monday don't don't fly to frankfurt germany and demand to see mr big on monday they're actually playing there on Tuesday.

But if you want some recommendations on things to do in 72 hours in Frankfurt, I'm your guy. Eat half a hot dog. Eat half a dog. Take a jog along the river. Go to the art museum or I guess the history museum. I think that was kind of it. Wander aimlessly asking how your life choices have led you to be in Frankfurt, Germany by yourself for 72 hours. Just say that

into a translation machine. How did my life choices lead me to be here?

Yeah. I'm sure it I'm sure that would take four minutes to say in German.

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I was reading about this. Everybody's kind of, I wouldn't say freaking out, but I've heard multiple times this week, well, watch out for Friday. That's the beginning of Outside Lands. That's going to be like just thousands and thousands of people pouring into the city here in San Francisco for this big music festival, which is like, uh, our friend Chapel Roan's going to be there. Our friend, um, uh, who else? I don't know who else. I just heard that on, uh, on KQED this morning that Chapel Roan is playing, but, um, yeah, it's a big festival. I always thought from the name Outside Lands that it was somewhere far away. Like it was in the, like a farmer's field in the middle of nowhere. Outside Lands to me sounds like that's going to be somewhere like you drive to a, you know, like some kind of, I don't know, agricultural, rural thing, and then you go to this big field and there's the concert. No, it's right here in San Francisco in Golden Gate Park.

Genevieve's out at a farm at a music festival literally right now, or at least on her way out to Carnation for the Thing Festival. No longer in Port Townsend this year, but she's on her way out there to see. I can't remember. Oh, I guess Spoon is the big band that she's excited to see today. Can I just answer your question of who else is playing Outside Lands? I didn't know this. I just looked this up. Now, there's a bunch of names that I don't recognize. Renee Rapp is also playing. Okay, I don't know who that is.

The story this morning was how queer artists are really leading the charge at Outside Lands, and people that were mentioned to support that were Chapel Roan and Rene Rapp.

I see, and early Berliners, like, we got to stop focusing just on underserved communities. We got Post Malone performing a special country set. We got Sturgill Simpson performing a special rap set. No, that's not true, but we do have Sturgill Simpson. That would be amazing. That would be amazing. I've never you know that's there are not a lot of performers that I have on my list of like goddamn if they come to town and I miss them I would be really bummed I think Sturgill is one of them I'd really like to see Sturgill Simpson at some point let's see the Killers are playing you're a fan of the Killers right coming out of my cage yeah and just fine looks like Postal Service is doing a set there and again I'm only Postal Malone Service the super group oh my gosh you're right they gotta share the stage at some point Then you got Grace Jones, but then you have people whose names I get. And I'm not trying. Grace Jones, like from view to a kill? Let me see here. Grace Jones. Grace Jones. Grace effing Jones is what when you click on like her tile. Yeah.

Yep, singer, actress, author, traveler, artist, revolutionist, has been shape-shifting, troublemaking, metapresence, and entertainment for years. So anyway, I don't know what Grace is exactly doing. But anyway, I've lost my tab now. Being fierce. Yeah, so those are the ones I recognize.

Killer Mike. When you mentioned Spoon, I'm reminded of the fact that I think that's a relationship that I destroyed, not for no reason. I didn't destroy it, but that's a, um, the, the lead singer of Spoon was on Wait, Wait, Don't Tell Me when I was doing it in Austin and he was super duper nice. I've been a big fan of the band Spoon for a long time. And, um, and he and I were chatting backstage and we got into the fact that we're both huge fans of the Howard Stern show. And And so he said I said I know I've always wanted to be on Stern Or at least on the wrap up show Because he had been on the wrap up show Right How am I forgetting his name now I have him in my phone somewhere It's Spoon

Yeah the lead singer of Spoon Al Spoon Greg Daniels Is it not Daniels I thought it was something Daniels Britt Daniels Britt Daniel

Brit Daniel Brit Daniel Okay gotcha But good you had more of it than I did That's for damn sure So we were going on about the Howard Children He was like yeah He was like I just did the wrap up show When I was in New York Which is the show that they have Which is after the real show And I was like I would kill to be on the wrap up show He's like of course you should be on He goes just like I'll reach out to them if you want me to Or he just said He basically nicely offered to Help make the connection And so I was going to New York for work For CBS And I was I don't know Feeling oddly What is the word Less shame I don't know I was feeling confident for some reason and I was like I think maybe this is when I'm going to finally try to get on the Howard Stern wrap-up show because I'm a super fan and I feel like they have less famous people than me on that show um because it's not Howard Stern is not associated with the program it's the producers it's Rasaan who's um you know I don't actually know if he produces on the show but but he does the wrap-up show it's Gary Della Bate Gary Della Bichio um John Hines sometimes so anyway I thought I'm I'm not famous but I've heard less famous people on the wrap-up show because they're super fans and so anyway i asked brit to make the connection and he did he put me on the radar of of the producer at the howard stern show of that of the of the wrap-up show and i i blew in hot like joel auto from the calgary flames and was emailing him i just feel like the reason that this makes me cringe so much is because i think i thought this was kind of a slam dunk like they have to do this four or five days a week there are not that many people who are both kind of like i don't know semi professionals in the media industry like me but who are also obsessed with their show and who have the guy from spoon vouching for them i just felt like and he also seemed totally confident he was like i'll put you in touch with nowiki steve nowiki he's like it'll be this will be super easy slam dunk and so uh i he he made the email introduction i never heard back from them and then i sent an email that was kind of like hey so what day would be good for me to come by and uh the person was very actually very nice he said oh i don't think you're gonna work for the wrap-up show or i don't think we're gonna have you on the wrap-up show but if you wanted to get a tour of the studio i could arrange

that wow that's an interesting um i still would have well i guess maybe at that point a tour felt like i mean i a tour still would have been kind of cool but i guess if that would have been

where i started yeah yeah i would have been stoked about it but i think i had tried to move because i I was friend because I was friendly with the guy from Spoon and he had been on there. And then and then we were doing Wait, Wait and like at UT Austin or somewhere big where it was like all these people. And I was I was feeling like I am kind of a media celebrity. I go on Wait, Wait, Don't Tell Me in front of all these people. I rub elbows with the dude from Spoon like I'm going to be on the wrap up show. It's finally starting to happen for me. And I was very quickly put back in my place of like a person we would allow to take a tour of the studio.

Well, it's interesting that they actually gave you a definitive answer. I you know generally speaking it's not the answer that you wanted but I'm trying to figure out how I feel about that like if I were in your if I were in your place the closest I ever had you're related to this story and I'm bringing it up I bring it up whenever possible at least your show the Howard Stern wrap-up show still exists the show that you tried to get me on when they invited you on and you said you couldn't do it but you said hey my buddy Andrew should do it was the public radio word show says you you looped me into that email and they never called they never responded it was like they just pretended like they didn't see your email which i'll be honest i've done that to people before so i get it but it's interesting that like in this case you followed up and they said okay we've gone we've done our research and we've decided that this probably isn't going to work that's interesting i also wonder if you could blame me is there any chance that they like you sent them a link to tbtl and they thought you were me and they're like why would we put that guy on he doesn't know anything about howard stern you are mean enough to yourself Thank you. Andrew for all of us I don't need to I don't need to pile on but but the point was then after that at some point I think maybe I mean this is what happened with me and that Brit Daniel guy was what often happens although not anymore because now I have a new policy I'm not gonna ruin I'm I wouldn't even call it friendship but just association ships like the thing where you get someone's number it's in your phone you there's a level of communication where you can reach out to them and they'll respond i used to often endanger those in the service of live wire because it would be like i had it in my mind that if we could just book these really some pretty famous people then we would you know the show would become a runaway sensation and then you know uh next thing you know i'd be performing it i'd be opening for chapel ron at outside lands so i think what happened was we were gonna be oh we did the show in austin i think i asked brit if he would come by and be on the show and he kind of drug his feet and then he was like i don't know and that's like i think i basically just like nudged him too much on something to the point where now i don't think we're really i feel like if i the same thing happened with ben gibbard speaking of the postal service speaking of the postal malone service we used to text all the time and then too many of my messages were just like would you please be on livewire and then eventually it was kind of like yeah that's i'm gonna go ahead and put you on the uh people i'm not really in a huge rush to get back to list so but my new plan is i'm not i'm not going to do that in the service of livewire i will do it in the service of tbtl well that's good you know which is why grace jones is no longer speaking to me and we haven't even begging yeah we haven't even gotten to your bigger story

about outside lands which is worth talking about but um it's something just occurred to me i was telling you i was i'm on the main page of everybody who's performing and and i told you all the names that i recognize why am i not seeing chapel roan on here like why would she not be like oh there it is sunday she's listed fifth on sunday like wouldn't wouldn't she be like the first name that you'd see on a list of people performing she's like the biggest star right now i i would i would

um say maybe it's a combination of things one it doesn't matter where you put her on the list because it's going to be like it's going to be complete bedlam like as far as you know like Also, they probably designed, maybe the art was done three months ago when a Chapel Rhone concert was not like a cultural phenomenon the way it is now. So maybe it was already just kind of set up that way. Those would be my two theories about it. But yeah, it will be a whole thing here with her performing as she's storming the nation. She is part of, though, I was trying to make this case to Becca the other day, and she rightfully, I think, shot down part of it. which I was saying some of the biggest stuff going on in pop music right now is to me essentially musical theater definitely Lady Gaga Lady Gaga's and not that she's at the top of the charts right now because she doesn't particularly have a record out but like I feel like Lady Gaga's music is musical theater music and I like it by the way like there are some Lady Gaga songs I really dig this is not a criticism but definitely Chapel Rhone to me it's musical theater music and I just think it's kind of interesting that that seems to be what is resonating with like hugely large numbers and then that where where my theory fell apart was I tried to say Taylor Swift was I don't think Taylor Swift is musical theater but I don't think that the lyrics are when I think about musical theater I think about songs that are very clearly describing what is going on whereas like a Wilco song and by the way this sounds like I'm making a comparison I'm saying one is better than the other and that's not what i'm saying but like a wilco song will say um it will it will not really tell a linear story it will not be like this guy was here and then he went to there and then this happened and then he felt this way and then he went over to that other place it's a bunch of it's almost kind of like weird poetry um you followed me down the neck to d we walked along uh to the sea like it's like it's you have to just kind of interpret it for yourself for what you want it to mean to you or whatever the lyrics of like taylor swift songs are extremely like linear it's just a story it's like this is what this boy did and these are the you know what i mean and the same thing with chapel roan pink pony club it's it's i feel like there is musical theater is maybe not the most popular art form in america but the pop music that seems to be deeply rooted in it is the most popular music in america yeah i don't know i don't think i can

follow you down that path only because my guess is you and I that you you know the the catalog of Wilco like I don't know a hundredfold more than you know the catalog of Taylor Swift and of course Taylor you know I'm not saying that you don't know any Taylor Swift songs but you know the songs that you've been exposed to on the radio you don't seek it out you probably don't know deeper cuts on there and I'm guessing based on the obsession you sound you sound terrified I sound like a man

Honestly, I'm afraid of Swifties.

No, I really don't care. Taylor Swift is not for me. Like, I'll be.

the first one to say that i'm not somebody who um is a fan of her music i also but you know i'm not saying that like i have an issue with her i just think keep her out of the nfl no i don't i don't have any strong opinions on the music is not for me but based on like they like i think i told you this one of our tens of the week by the way if you would like to be featured in one of your favorite quasi public radio podcast newsletters uh fill out the 10 of the week form uh at tbtl.net and And we will feature you in a – you fill out a little form about, like, some of your favorite snack foods and your nicknames throughout the years and other little dazzling details about your life. And we'll feature you in an upcoming newsletter. One of our featured tens recently was – speaking of – we were talking about legendary radio broadcasters yesterday. Our friend Gene Bean Baxter, who didn't even drop the bean. He was just like, Gene Baxter, I'm a ten. And he just talked about – I love it.

Now that's a flex He didn't even have to get the guy from Spoon To try to broker the conversation

And one of the questions On the 10 of the week forum is like if you could play One song on TBTL what would it be And I remember Beans was like

Is his Christmas some kind of Christmas music

Oh is it the wreck of Edmund Fitzgerald He loves those but also he's a huge Swifty and he's been a huge Swifty for a Very long time before even like I mean listen she's always been very popular but like Before the huge boom of the past four or five years I mean as long as I've known him I think his uh Twitter icon was of Taylor Swift wearing wings or something like that and anyway yeah his the song he picked I don't remember the name of it but it was like an 11 minute long like like release of some song of hers and I mean my guess is Taylor Swift songs are not all like totally like even I mean there are some Beatles songs I think of too I go back I loved him as a kid and I go back and I listen to So I'm just like, oh, yeah, this is just like a very literal doot, doot, doot, doot, like Rocky Raccoon or whatever, like kind of telling stories. I'm like, of course, I love this as a kid. And I'm not trying to I'm not trying to beat up on the Beatles or Taylor Swift or anybody. But I'm just saying that I feel like your description there of one of these artists being more poetic and not being quite as on the, you know, on the mark is I feel like there's some just inherent bias in there, probably.

Right. But I think but I think what's inherent bias in your read on it is that I'm saying one is better than the other. I'm just saying they're different. Yeah, right. I'm not saying I'm being honest with you. Like I'm saying I'm I actually.

Wait, hold on. Wait, restate what you said. I thought you're joking. I thought you said that you're saying one is better than the other. I thought you made a point of saying you're not saying one is better.

No, no. I thought when you're this is going to be impossible to litigate now. But I feel like what was inherent in what your read on my take, OK, this is so complicated to me, it feels like you're saying you're you're you're not sticking up for Taylor Swift, but you're saying I don't know enough about Taylor Swift to say that Jeff Tweedy's music is more poetic than hers or his lyrics are more poetic than hers. But I guess what I'm trying to say is I'm not arguing that the the poetic lyrics of Jeff Tweedy are better than the poetic lyrics of Taylor Swift. I'm just saying they strike me as different. And I have listened to a lot of Taylor Swift. You know, I mean, there was a period in my life where it was heavy rotation in my house when Karen and I lived together. Although I have to say, I don't know Tortured Poets Club front to back. But I guess all I'm trying to say, and now what you hear in my voice is a man who's scared and on the run from not wanting to piss off Taylor Swift fans. I seriously am not down on Taylor Swift at all. I'm just saying, and maybe this is back to the Chapel Rhone thing. I just think it's interesting that this pop music, that's such a sensation. Like the Chapel Rhone thing is such a phenomenon. And again, I like the songs. I know the songs because they're everywhere right now. But they just seem, it strikes me that they share some similarities with like musical theater that I guess, I don't know. I just noted that. But also, by the way, Becca agreed with you that Taylor Swift should not be on the list of my evidence that musical theater is actually sweeping the pop music universe.

Yeah, and I just don't know about that. I don't, I don't, well, I, you know, your, for whatever it's worth, not that it really matters, your, your thesis there, I have no, I have no statement on that, because I, I have no idea, like, you're saying it here, I don't, I haven't, I, I'm not exposed enough to, you know, modern pop music to say I agree with you or don't, maybe you're absolutely right about that.

um what we can agree on is people are burying alcohol in golden gate park andrew and that is the interesting part of this outside land story so what because you know golden gate park it's it's sort of like a lot of these big of course i look this up who do you think were the original designers or at least worked on the early stages of golden gate park in san francisco Oh, is it the Olmsteads? It sure is. Of course. Go to any decently sized urban park in anywhere in America and just you can assume it was an Olmstead project of some kind.

Weren't there a million Olmsteads, though? That was one thing that I think I learned later on in life. It was kind of like, yeah, Olmstead, second cousin, one's removed sort of situation. Or am I exaggerating that?

It wasn't just like Frederick Law Olmstead and his brother. Like eventually it was a firm, as you might imagine. And then so it's like an Olmstead project. It's like saying it's built by Boeing, but it wasn't Bill Boeing who built the plane kind of thing. Is Bill Boeing really a guy? I think William Boeing was. Oh, I wasn't sure. The guy who founded it. Was his name Bill Boeing? I don't know. There was a guy named Boeing at some point who started it. But, um, but yeah, so what's, you know, this is a park that you can go into like, you know, on a normal day and just hang out and throw the Frisbee or something. And so what a bunch of people have been doing apparently is going in during the past week, going in with shovels, digging holes, burying large amounts of alcohol, and then dropping a Google pin on it or something. so they'll remember and then buying their ticket to the festival going inside and then going and digging up their alcohol and I completely salute this as an activity I love it I when I said 10 year old me would like it it's because I it's like a treasure hunt how fun would that be to like x marks the spot go go retrieve your reasonably priced alcohol at an unreasonably

priced music event this stressed me out for some reason that I don't know that I can explain

hollering at does it put you in at a greater risk of being hollered at actually let uh now that you

say that that maybe you would add that to the list but it's pretty that's further down the list okay so first of all i mean and this is the most uninteresting thing to say about this so let's get that out of the way right now i read this article and i just kind of this just speaks to like kind of my my age my disposition and also maybe also just how my achy bones feel these days but i just kept reading this I just kept thinking like yeah but just I mean it's just so dumb I was just kind of like I kept thinking about like bearing a bottle of Jim Beam right and I even saw somebody said like oh this is smart yeah because I guess people have been doing this for years but as the festival has gotten bigger and bigger um more and more people are doing it but it's also becoming more and more of a thing and so everybody knows about it now which adds to my stress but like I was picturing myself like taking a brand new bottle of Jim Beam putting it inside of a Ziploc bag and burying it somewhere near a bush at Golden Gate Park a week before this festival, knowing that I was going to come back to get it. The moment I bury that, I start worrying about other people finding it. I start, it adds a pressure to going to the event. By the way, what I was starting to say before, which is the most boring thing in the world is like, as I just kept on thinking about it, I'm like, well, then you got to go to the event. Then you got to find it. Like, why don't you just stay home? Why don't you just buy that bottle of, and then I just kept on ending up. It's like, oh, I'm just too old for festivals. Everything's dead inside me now.

Like, of course, this doesn't sound good to me, but like it starts with I'm hiding this booze to really enjoy Chapel Rhone. And somehow in your mind, it ends up with you're playing darts in a basement.

It's like somehow it's like I'm going to like, why don't you just hide it in the tank of your toilet like I do so that Genevieve doesn't know how much you're drinking. Do you remember that? Do you remember there's that trope? There's an episode of The Simpsons where like Homer is somebody I don't know if Homer's addressing it, but somebody is addressing Homer's drinking problem. It's not just like a guy who likes beer, but actually like he has a drinking problem. And Marge is like reading all the signs Of like you have a drinking problem And she says are you hiding Are you hiding beer in places where people can't find it And Homer's like of course not As he's pulling his six pack out of the tank of the toilet

I wonder when that got started That trope

Is that a trope that's all I think of I didn't know it was a trope

I think of it as being kind of like an old You know kind of rummy or wino Or like a kind of a guy in a tenement apartment In New York or something I feel like with like a single bear bulb He's wearing a tank, whatever we don't call it, what we used to call those tank tops. We've got to come up with a better name for those, the things that we used to refer to as a domestic violence situation. But anyway, so you basically, when you read this, it gave you agita.

I wonder why the person in your trope is put – is it to keep it cold in this situation?

I don't know why. I just feel like the idea of hiding alcohol in the tank of the toilet is something – because I don't think I even saw that Simpsons episode, but it's something that I feel like I'm aware of. So from somewhere else, and I don't know if it was to keep it cold, or I think it was to keep it hidden, but the reason that it sticks out in my mind is because whenever it was that I either read about this or heard about it or had a thought about it, I thought that's the grossest place you could possibly keep, even though that toilet tank water hasn't done anything gross yet. It is on deck to do something gross.

Don't blame the water. The water's not doing anything gross.

Andrew, it's not the water.

Gross things are happening to the water. The water is a victim here. The water is not that we're doing the gross thing to the water. Fair point. Poor water.

I just remember, again, I don't know if it was in a movie or one of those Days of Wine and Roses or one of those old 1950s movies about alcoholism where somebody was hiding, but it was like a pint of really bad whiskey or something that was just being kept in that. in that tank and it was like they'd go in and take a slug of it and then they'd put it back into that tank you know and go on with their whatever was going on but i just remember thinking of all the places where i would be keeping my whiskey i feel like that closeness of the toilet

would be not the place that would be the place okay so i'm sorry that i'm all over the place and rambling here but yeah so the kind of kind of anxiety that i got thinking about like okay so you're gonna hide this bottle and you're already paying i think it said something like 523 dollars maybe for the was that the weekend pass i'm assuming that's the weekend pass for this either way you're plunking down a lot of money on this festival and now a week in advance like i think that if you're younger and more full of life maybe not even younger just more full of life and adventure you love the idea of burying this and maybe in 2000 you know like 17 or something it'd be more fun because you didn't know that everybody was already writing about it in sf gate and online or whatever but like to do that this year i was trying to put myself in those birkenstocks And I was kind of like, oh, like, would I like you bury it? But now everybody knows. So do you have to find a really good spot? But then the whole week leading up to it, I'm like, has somebody found it yet? Because now we probably have people going to the park before the festival, digging in the bushes, looking for all the for all the hipsters who buried there. And it's like that would be me, by the way. And it gave me this sort of like, did this person who's in line for a table at the restaurant to get here before me or after me? Like, I'm already like you hate that. I'm already being put in this position of just like, I got to get there first. I don't want anybody to screw me over. Like, I don't know. I'd almost rather if I'm the type of person who's already spending five hundred dollars for a weekend pass there, spend a few hundred more dollars on alcohol at the beer tent or whatever it is. I don't know. It's just something that gave me anxiety.

Right. So you're walking around with a dowsing rod. Yeah, right. And it's just looking for stashes of liquid underground that other people have left. Because you actually just perfectly described what my vibe would be, which I would have totally meant to bury some alcohol, but then I would have forgotten. But then I would have thought, well, maybe there's some free alcohol out here in them that are hills. Yeah. I've just been going around trying to find someone else's cash.

I'm worried about you. I mean, don't you think that now that this has reached such a height of popularity that is being written up in the main publication of that area, that it's sort of changed? literally by reporting on it it sort of changed the result of it or or the dynamic you know i

think it's a really big park and so i think i think even if you i think realistically even if you're gonna go out and try to find someone's booze i think there's it's just too much part unless you had thousands of people doing this the other one thing that happened that i thought would also probably be my luck was a number of people burying alcohol in what turns out to be the outer part of the security barrier yeah which is a hundred percent what would happen to me if i wasn't just stealing other people's booze it would be i'd because i'm terrible with like geography and geolocating and everything geo uh i would dig a hole and bury my alcohol and then come back and realize it's right outside of the gates and then i need to just have to then i have to boof it or

something you know i only i did not know about this until you sent me this link this morning And I don't have in front of me right now, although I guess I could probably rectify that. Why don't I have I was doing so much Googling about Mr. Big that I don't even have my usual kind of show notes here in front of me. But when I read this earlier today, there was a quick line that I think you might remember, too. It's just it's just dawning on me as if it were a dream that I'm just remembering from two nights ago. But it also said something like there's a rule about not being allowed to dig in the park, except for an exception for looking for treasure.

Yeah, looking for treasure is allowed. I don't think they expanded on it, but that was a fun detail. It really was. Like next weekend when Outside Lands is all done, if you're in Golden Gate Park, I mean, I think you do need a permit for it. But there is, yeah, there is a certain kind of permit that you can get that allows you to dig for buried treasure in the park. That is something that the city has thought about and is allowing people to do.

What is more buried treasury than a bottle of Jim Beam? That's what I want to know.

Honestly, like, all right, Andrew, this is this is the part of the week and the part of the show where you and I continue the process of shaping TBTL and deciding a path forward. And if there is, in fact, a path to victory for this program, and by that, I mean, it's music for your weekend. So we have migrated your pick and my pick to the newsletter.

Which, by the way, can I give a little plug for that? So we had mentioned we had mentioned last week and we've really been I mean, talk about taking the fun out of music for your weekend. Like we didn't just stop doing it on the show. We just keep revisiting this topic every week. And then we and then we sort of wail and gnash our teeth over what to do about it. And we flippy and we floppy. But we decided last week that maybe instead of you and I playing the songs that we choose for music for your weekend. Again, this all has to do with like sort of the various platforms that were published on kind of cracking down on us playing music on the show. we decided we were going to feature them in the newsletter and i didn't really even think that much about what it would look like just well we'll put a link in there right and you wrote a nice little like i don't know three or four sentence description of your song last week and you've done it again this week and i love your little write-ups luke i'm being quite serious yeah and i was like oh that's really good and like it has a very different vibe and then um and then i'm trying to sort of match your energy dude what do they say that um trying to match your energy bro yeah and so i wrote a little description i think probably like because you sort of set the tone on it and I'm like oh this is actually kind of fun to write a very very small little review of a song and I feel like I've been kind of notoriously bad at describing the music that I want to play on TBTL I get really you and me both excited and rambly and so if we I don't know I just really enjoyed your little write-up and inspired me to write little write-ups and so um if you haven't been um checking out the TBTL newsletter go to tbtl.net and sign up and um and yeah and see the songs that Luke and I are suggesting for music for weekend and then i guess we'll continue to play the listener pick here at the end of the show at least that is that is cutting down by two-thirds the chance of us getting pulled in russia and

belarus which is kind of funny because it's not it's not eliminating the risk but i guess it is reducing it because are you saying that there are times when we play something that that is copywritten but for whatever reason it doesn't get flagged there are those events also happen

Yeah, there are times we play it, but I can even tell you, and again, I don't want to overstate this, whether or not we get fully pulled down from everything. I mean, getting pulled down occasionally from Spotify is a real bummer, but we don't get daily updates on that. We'll get literally quarterly updates on that, and then you find out, oh, a whole swath of episodes are not going to do it. Yeah, that's a bad outcome. And that's bad. YouTube I'm less worried about, but if we start to do more stuff on YouTube, I don't know. I'm just trying to like kind of kind of shoot the shoot the middle here as far as like still like having some fun and not being too much of a no fun Nick, but also maintaining our options of publishing on these platforms. So anyway, I would say last week as we had this conversation, do you remember earlier in the show, I broke my own rule and I was talking about some song called Havana, Havana, that literally got us pull and I think literally pulled off of YouTube, I think, because of that little clip. And we played that and one other song, the music for your weekend from the listener. So anyway, some songs slip through, other songs, depending on if the algorithm hears it or if the computers hear it, and then it's attached to somebody like Don Henley or somebody who's specifically litigious, then it totally gets blocked. So yeah, that's what we're trying to eliminate here.

I do think if you're not subscribing to the newsletter, I mean, what are you even doing with your life? It was famously the newsletter with the highest open rate at American media people. And that's because of Andrew's hard work and Andrew being a very funny writer and a lot of useful links. It's actually it's a kind of a nice little end of the week. Like, here's what we did. Here's something we talked. Here's stuff we talked about. Just like it catches you up on everything that's been happening on the show in a given week. And now it's going to have a couple little music recommendations from us. But here we are reading the suggestion. And by the way, sorry, this is from kind of a long time. I just found this email because sometimes people put music for your weekend, literally the words, in the subject line. And sometimes people do M, F, Y, W. And I sometimes forget to search for the letters version. And so I did that this morning, and that's where I found Listener Joseph in the Bronx.

Before you start reading Listener Joseph, my apologies. And this hopefully will be the last programmatic or formatic question. do we before we um play and read joe's message and then play the song some listeners have requested that even if we're just sharing our picks you and me in the newsletter should we still say what the picks are and then guide people to the newsletter because we have a listener who's still compiling like every like a spotify playlist with every single music for your weekend that we've done in like the past five years or something which is a pretty cool project so would you like to just say what your song is and then we can tell people check out this week's newsletter if you want to

take a listen to it or google it yourself sure my recommendation is a song from a rapper from india who raps under the name hanuma kind and i think the song is called big dogs okay yes i got it here and it is it's uh it is it's it's really good i mean it's very commercial but it's very catchy and i just also love that it's coming from a part of the world that i don't necessarily so So you can very much see the way that like a U.S. hip hop style has kind of, you know, permeated throughout the rest of the world. And it's really fun to kind of see this guy Hanuma Kain's kind of his interpretation of it.

Cool.

And again, the song just, I mean, it's like you would call it a popcorn movie, you know, when you go see a popcorn movie with Genevieve. This is a popcorn movie.

song but i really like it it's called i think it's called big dogs now it is called big dogs

i'm looking at it here and then i'll just say that um i uh chose another song by rat boys i was you mentioned that you were at the pickathon festival in portland earlier this week and i was looking at the lineup didn't recognize a lot of artists but i did recognize that that band rat boys out of chicago and i and you know i've already played like two songs off of their latest record which came out last year called Windows but this and some of their stuff there's a reason they play pick-a-thon some of their stuff leans a little bit towards Americana but this song that I picked for the newsletter this week is called Crossed the Line and it's very straightforward like it's literally a two minute very poppy almost little punky distorted vocal rock song that I think you might enjoy Crossed the Line by Rap Boys

so those are our recommendations get the TBTL newsletter if you want to stay on top of the music for your weekend that comes from us. This music for your weekend comes from, as I've already mentioned, Joseph in the Bronx. He says, hi, friendos. A few weeks ago, I ordered a bundle of handmade lath cut records. Did you say lathe or lath?

I think it's lathe, but, you know. It's lathe.

Do you really want to ask me that? No, I think I agree with you. It's lathe cut records from a small record label slash zine publishing company in Philadelphia. Oh, perfect time to remind you all we're going to be in Philadelphia. September 28th, TBTL Live from Philadelphia. You can get your tickets at tbtl.net. I found out about them, about the label, because they released solo records from Spencer Moody from the Murder City Devils and Joe Jack Talcum from the Dead Milkmen. So I was surprised when I played the disc and it was a delicate kind of Regina Spectory song by an Icelandic singer and songwriter called K.O.L.A., which is short for Katrin Helga Olafsdottir. I have almost no history of saying Icelandic names incorrectly, Andrew, and having it be a media disaster.

I'll call it. Let's get this on NPR.

Well-known Icelandic name pronouncer, Luke Burbank, checking in. I later discovered this song, Give It A Listen. It's really pretty and dreamy. I did give it a listen this morning, Andrew, and it is, in fact, really pretty and dreamy. I really like this. I'm actually going to do a little more recon on K.O.L.A.'s music because I dig this a lot. But this is the recommendation from Listener Joseph, and it's how we're going to wrap up this broadcast week. But guess what? We're going to be back here on Monday with more imaginary radio for you. So please do join us for that. In the meantime, have a great weekend. Take care of yourselves. And please remember, no mountain too tall.

And good luck to all.

I know we have both made some mistakes in the past And to learn from them is so important So I need to be honest and say how I feel But big words, they can have a big impact And I have words to say But they're stuck in my throat I can't seem to get them out How much would it change about us If I do, you know what is on my mind It's the feeling of standing right next to a pool Like a fool, the only kid not daring to jump in Watching others have fun with my mind overspin and capable But still I'm stuck on the poolside

And I have words to say

Power out