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#4273 Nashville Cryline
TBTL: Too Beautiful To Live

#4273 Nashville Cryline

from TBTL: Too Beautiful To Live

August 16, 2024 | 01:01:22 | Leisure, Comedy

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Luke went into a part of Nashville last night that he really shouldn't have. He and Andrew also discuss an astounding claim by Disney in a new lawsuit. And Middleshelf Maggie helps Luke find the long-lost ringtone he's been searching for.
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I can't come along with you on this. What? But I can help in the gun department. I still have a few pieces laying around from the old days.

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I thought you banished all the guns. I did.

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I banished them to here. All right, let me show you around this pretty little lady. Right here, you got your no shooty button. OK. OK, they call this the long part. And here is your pusher. Makes the bullets go. You push it. OK. Okay. Let's see. What does this look like to you?

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A switchblade.

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Even better. Whoa. It's a comb. Whoa. Gafoon, you want all your hair to go in the same direction.

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Sure.

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T-B-T-L. Guess what day it is. Guess what day it is.

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It's Friday. Friday. gotta get down on Friday everybody's looking forward to the weekend the beginning is horrible also the middle so I'll give it a 4 my podcast is on life support hey I need new listeners

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why don't you come by if you got some triple fried pizza dough or some kind of frozen meatballs or whatever it is you can warm it up in my microwave or you can warm it up back at home bring it over pipe and hop and if you want to bring over a vegetable medley a crudité

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you call hamburgers steamed hams Yes, it's a regional dialect.

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Uh-oh. He's starting that funny talk again.

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All right, hello, good morning, and welcome everyone to a Friday edition of TBTL, the show that just might be too beautiful to live. Tastes like soot and hot water. I'm hooked. My name is Luke Burbank. I am your host.

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See how I come to work.

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Coming to you for the final day from Nashville, Tennessee, where I finally got eyes last night on Broadway. This is the, I mean, I'd actually been on it, but it was early in the morning, so everything was shut down. I got to see it in all of its splendor last night, sort of by accident.

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and um my goodness you'll never find the more wretched hive of scum and villainy i mean

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i'm slightly gobsmacked by the whole thing i need to process it here on the show that's kind of what we do as we find ourselves at episode 4273 in a collector series let the fun begin i'm here in nashville because i've been helping out with this corporate event which has been actually really fun a lot of really cool people one of those cool people not me as i was putting my foot directly into my mouth backstage right before we had to head out and do some stuff and i wish i hadn't done that um i'll also process that here oh and i have an update we will close the loop on me singing that cell phone ring from memory that i didn't know the name of that i was very that was kind of one of the big cell phone rings at some point a listener has cracked the code and we have the answer if you were somebody who heard that last week when i was in san francisco and you're dying to know well you will know by the end of today's show as will this young man the longest running co-bro of the show maybe best known for his depictions of the tall ships he has really been thinking about his wardrobe a lot this week and i do think we're going to hear the difference. You dress for the podcast you want to host. He's Andrew Walsh and he's joining me

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right now. Good morning, my friend. Good morning. I have two questions for you. I'm going to ask you both up front and then you can answer them both, which is not really a great interview.

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Do I think I just fell out of a coconut tree? No. Are you

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part of the... I can't remember the context quote anymore.

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Are you the context of all that came before you? I'm unburdened by what was

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answered. That's the main thing. Here's my question for you regarding your exploits yester eve. Uh-huh. Did you honk and did you tonk? I neither honked nor tonked. You neither honked nor? I thought for sure you would have at least honked or tonked.

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No. Sometimes, yes. I've been known to honk and I've been known to tonk, but I was in the mood for neither last night. Listen, I've been thinking about this conversation.

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Honk if you're horny.

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Show title?

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Probably not.

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Can I...

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sorry sorry just give me a moment to laugh about how to talk about this here

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i'm sorry i apologize that was the delay in the line made you feel like i'm stepping on your comedy good like seriously like last night after i experienced the horror that was broadway in nashville i then started thinking well we have a lot of listeners in nashville and and this is a actually very cool city and here's what happened to me last night andrew i saw the highs and the lows of nashville at least in terms of my opinion of things so i really want to be careful that i'm not yucking in

00:05:00 - 00:07:58 | Speaker 1:

yums or you know i don't want to pull an andrew here and just go off on something alienating this oh that guy sounds like such an asshole but but seriously i was like you know i i've i have been i think i've flown into nashville a couple of times on my way to other places what i've never actually gotten eyes on myself in the evening is this kind of famous musical row music row of nashville right you know it's got like it's got honky tonks and it's got lots of live music that's what it's known for and i want to say if uh if you've been to nashville and you just love that it makes you so happy to go out on that street great i don't want you to stop enjoying it or if you live here and you think it's one of the great things about this town i don't want to diminish that at all i'm just talking about my personal experience so i decided i needed to go get some food last night and i had a recommendation from uh our friend amy who is the very reason that i'm here oh amy's your hookup to the gig you mentioned that it was a 10 i didn't realize it was amy long time listener amy so amy is uh yeah the reason that i i got i got this job and it's been really fun i've been having a really good time but amy said hey we went to this place called adele's kitchen the other night and you should go it's great and then she said it's a pretty vegetable forward place and i was like oh yeah you do know everything about me yeah right to have a conversation with someone and you forget for a moment that they have tolerated your life updates for years she goes i'm a newish listener i've only been listening 10 years yeah oh yeah right but anyway the recommendation was go to this place adele's kitchen and i looked it up and sure enough they did have some stuff that seemed promising on the menu and so i put it into the little map on my phone because it was i don't know maybe six seven blocks away from the hotel and because i have extreme spatial location problems i just started walking in the opposite direction of what the phone was telling me i i you know how you the map it's got a little dot and then like a line that's illustrating indicating where you should go yeah and you could kind of go in either direction because until you start moving and watching if the dot is going the way you want you kind of don't know at least if you're me yeah yeah Yeah, you got to start moving first. I'm 100%. I'm sorry, I am 0%. I'm 0 for 100 in picking the right direction. Uh-huh, yep. Always I start walking, and then the dot is going away from the direction that it's supposed to be going. But I didn't realize this for a while, so I'm strolling in the direction I think I'm supposed to go. And what that also takes me down is this street, Broadway. It's probably like 7 o'clock at night. And it is—I don't know what I expected it to be, but it was somehow so much worse. it's just kid rock bar after blake shelton bar after like every just you know titans of actually i don't have a problem with blake shelton i don't know what blake shelton's politics are i don't mean to paint him with the kid rock brush but it's just like it's just like

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this sort of version this idea of what country music is and what entertainment is and my guess is that a long long time ago uh they were making some great country music here in nashville and they had some honky tonks. And those were probably cool places where a lot of whiskey was being consumed. There was probably more than one fist fight and some great music that was being played in the very back of the honky tonk. That is no longer the vibe. It's every single five feet, there is a different bar. And the way they've set them up is all the stages are at the front of the bars on Broadway and the windows are open. So you just are walking past one bar band after another they're all fronted by like 23 year old future taylor swifts who are singing sweet home alabama or take it easy or any number of just kind of like right down the middle sort of country-ish but not even like you know deep country cuts because they also there's it's just like and and then you walk three steps and another band the exact same band except they're actually different humans but they might as well be the same band it's just playing the a different song But it might as well be the exact same song Because it's from the exact same bandwidth of music And it's just Hundreds of that thing And then like a guy wearing a shirt that says Show me your butthole An actual shirt I saw A guy holding hands with his wife Walking down Broadway And I just thought I used to believe in the First Amendment Until I saw that t-shirt I mean you It's a stupid question but you didn't did you Was it um i was tempted but i i i fought it um it's just like it's like i think country music is kind of great actually like certain kinds of country music is some of my very favorite and and and it's like it just somehow felt to me and also i mean it smelled like throw up everybody was either very drunk or on their way to being very drunk and listen as a person who has been very drunk a very lot of my life.

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not judging but it's just also a side note i'm by myself i'm not drunk i'm listening to nashville skyline by by um bob dylan in my air pod in my ear pods as i'm walking down so i'm not listen i didn't buy the ticket to take that ride and maybe if it would have been a different time and i was with a different group of friends i could have found some real fun to be had there but i guess i was just shocked even vegas to me like there's a variety in vegas when you're on the strip and yeah i mean it's it's trashy in its own way but it's i don't know it's like i feel maybe it's because i like gambling and they also have no gambling in tennessee what what a state

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the volunteer state i volunteer to leave no gambling wow you're really it's been a long week for you i mean what it is i'm a little tired i took a red eye to me is it sounds you know it sounds i could be totally wrong here tell me if i am but it sounds like bourbon street in new

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orleans and like the locals are very much the love child of bourbon street and las vegas yeah

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because like it's like and you mentioned like hey we have people who live there who who probably love their their city and their state and that's true but and i don't know that seattle has really an equivalent of this kind of thing that is like a tourist spot that is so off-putting for locals in fact that's kind of an intellectual exercise because i even think pike place market is yeah us locals don't usually tend to go there because it's kind of hard to navigate and it's like really big touristy crowds but still you can go there and get a like like no joke like a nice cheap bouquet of flowers and some yeah if you emptied it out it would be it would rule and it's like viva and i when we lived on capitol hill sometimes we'd roll down you know just stroll down there get some literally like buy some food you know i mean like to take every saturday my ritual with

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addy when i lived on first hill and she was really little like little enough that she'd just ride on my shoulders we would walk down to pike place market which was not a far walk from where we lived and we would buy all of our stuff for that day you know vegetables and we'd go to the donut machine and stuff and like i i love that place and i loved being able to actually use it you know like as a practical place for me to get stuff like kind of a little farmer's market and so

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anyway now i'm just bragging on the city that i love but like you know certain cities have areas and i don't think every city has its equivalent but i think bourbon street would be a very good example which i have some limited exposure to and it's kind of like you know the locals aren't going to be insulted that it's not for you because again you're a 47 year old guy maybe 48 now i can't keep this straight um who's like not going there to party my reverse aging machine i built was a total failure who's having a super long oh wow you did see deadpool versus wolverine um and who's having like a super long work week and it's just looking for something to bite a bite to eat

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like i was not in the right you yeah mental place at all i guess i just didn't if you're using the perfect example with bourbon street because of course i've spent a lot of time in new orleans and new orleans is a unbelievably culturally rich place just not on bourbon street and i think that's probably a really good way to describe nashville because after i went down broadway and saw a number of offensive t-shirts on people i then realized i was walking the wrong direction and i cut over to the a couple blocks over to get away from the the smell of throw up and fireball and the sounds of, um, you know, whatever, uh, music was being played. And then I walked the correct direction and then I went over a different bridge and I went into a neighborhood that's called the Gulch. And I went to this restaurant, um, called Adele's Kitchen and it was one of the best meals I have had in a long time. This restaurant is phenomenal. And I sat, you know, again by myself. So I just sat at this thing they called like the chef's counter. So it's just kind like a bar a bar counter but that's the kind of thing where you're just looking into the kitchen yep and it was unbelievable it was i was so impressed at the choreography and that's the talent of the people working in this kitchen like to just observe a really pretty big restaurant with a really well-run kitchen where they're just like the expo the expediter is just like shouting out the orders and everyone knows exactly what they're doing and it's just like they're in it they're in the weeds but they're just doing it and everyone knows exactly what they're doing and you know i was just totally impressed and the guy that was that was working the big open oven like because he was near me where i was sitting he like had some like shishito peppers sent out to me just to be nice and like i was like i love that this guy he's not even like he's not the you know owner of the restaurant or the front door guy or my server or anything just a guy that works everybody's like this guy would probably like some shishito peppers and we were chatting it up and again i just had such a nice dinner i was so it was so lovely and then as i'm walking around that neighborhood there's just a bunch of stuff that i thought oh i would have gone there oh i could have gone there so i guess my point is uh i'm not i don't i don't come to you today to try to roast the city of nashville as a as a overall thing i think there's a lot of really cool stuff here i just learned that i don't think broadway is for me probably yeah probably not and that's just and

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again it's probably is it also like is that is that where like the the bachelorette parties

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happen and everything and i think i was mercifully i was too early for that but i do believe that is exactly where that happens yeah and it's just it's also just weird because i mean this happens this happens in a lot of different ways where you have something that originally was probably pretty cool but now it's just been sort of you know they've just they've just recreated this kind of this recreation of it that has none of whatever the original charm was and then just too much of it like there's got to be a hundred of these let's just call them let's use the term honky tonk loosely and what they are is just a bar where a band is playing music and there's eight million jameson you know posters stuck up everywhere or jack dan this is more jack daniels territory but you know what i mean it's like it's just like it it was yeah it was it was somehow so much worse than i expected it to be and again a lot of that had to do with my mood my fact that i was not drinking you know just like it just wasn't it was not for me on that day but but there are things here in nashville that are for me um like insulting people backstage uh before uh we go out to do a

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little presentation um who was it tell me it wasn't the mayor of broadway uh it was the mayor

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of Broadway. But that's just this older guy who's been sleeping out there for years. We call him the

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mayor of Broadway. Yeah, he's got kind of a Jughead Jones crown hat that he wears for some reason.

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This was, okay, so this conference that I've been helping out with is in this really large, I mean, Nashville is a big place for conferences. And so they've got one of these conference centers that's just, I mean, huge. And it's so huge that they can have multiple conferences at once. And it does. It has the one that I've been helping out with. which is kind of a tech thing and everybody's just like really nice and smart and friendly and like they're wearing kind of nice bright colors it's like just like the vibes are really immaculate and then right next to it is something called the ACA which is the like American Corrections Association it's the jail conference the for-profit jail industry it's the for-profit joke andrew when i tell you uh yeah exactly and and and the let's profit off of all of the booths and all of the like sponsors special sponsors of this are like communication companies that specialize in making sure that incarcerated people have to go totally broke if they want to talk to their family on the phone yeah like you know what i mean it's like here's a and like they're giving backpacks to everyone's like here's a clear backpack by the way weird is that because you're like afraid someone's going to do terrorism here or is that because you're so committed to the idea of like law enforcement that you won't even give the cops real backpacks it was i wonder if it has

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something to do with like events because you know like it might be the rule of this place they

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weren't giving it i'll tell you this they weren't giving out flipping backpacks at the one that i

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was at they were giving out cool stuff yeah you know whether it's the rule at that place or maybe they're just like oh this is useful because i know like it's a huge pain in the butt for genevieve who like carries a bag like i like to carry a my backpack as many places as possible but when i go to the ballpark i know not to take my bag you can't have anything but clear bags so there is a chunk of the population that finds a useful like easy to carry large clear it's more useful than

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the other but there's just something weird about seeing just an ocean of like kind of paunchy white guys with shaved heads and a goatee with like a tucked in polo shirt that's not doing their figure any favors, and then a tiny clear backpack on, which is an odd visual, and knowing that they're personally part of the carceral system in our country, which I think is an absolute travesty. Also, Jelly Roll was there. Oh, really? Are you familiar with the work of Jelly Roll?

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The musician with the tattoos on his face? The musician with the tattoos.

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I thought he was performing, but I think he was actually, I didn't see him, but I saw a poster for him, and I was legit kind of excited. I was like, oh, I'm going to be in the same building as Jelly Roll, but what we realized backstage, me and a couple of the stage managers, who I became quite friendly with, because we had a lot of time standing backstage, we decided that probably he's actually just a speaker there, because I think to bring in his whole music setup would be a pretty involved, and the guy's playing like arenas right now, but he was incarcerated, so I actually thought that's a kind of a good booking for them, like, if he was there to talk to them about his time as an incarcerated person and they were actually going to try to listen to him I think that's actually a pretty I'm very pro that happening

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yeah that's interesting

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so we're backstage and I mentioned to the couple of stage managers who are a couple of women in their sort of like mid late 20s I said you guys know jelly rolls here right and one of them was like what are you kidding me and we start talking about jelly roll we start talking about this ACA thing and I'm standing next to a person who is one of the speakers who's about to go out on stage.

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I'm going to go out and introduce her and for some reason I don't know if I if I I don't know where this came from but like instead of just going yeah he's at this prison thing I decided to start going on this rant about like how different the vibes are between the the conference that we're all a part of and the cop conference as I start calling it and like I'm just it's one of those things where it just kind of gets away from me like my emotion on the topic which is weird because these are three people I don't know well and not a topic that I'm particularly knowledgeable about from a policy standpoint i just kind of like was like the somehow the phone service thing just really bugged me like it all bugged me but it just especially bugged me that you've got these companies that are making profit off of incarcerated people and their families and just just taking lives that are already really really ruined by this and by the way i i think anyone listening to me and andrew you would agree like if people do something that is violent and dangerous or hurtful to other people, I think incarceration is a reasonable option. I'm not, I'm not trying to like, you know, say that we open up all the jails everywhere, but I just think that our system is so flawed and so racist and so all those things. And this idea that like the phone, you know, your family's going to go broke trying to just get the money together so that they can just talk to you on the phone. I just don't think that needs to be the case. So I start going on this kind of harangue and, and then the stage managers I'm talking to are very uh the one woman says oh you mean the for-profit prison system oh you mean falcon and we just start like now we're just now we're just working each other up and winding each other up just kind of like we're all going off on all of our pet kind of talking points about how we don't think that this is a good or fair or just system and the um the the speaker who's about to go out on stage goes yeah you know i i guess she goes i guess you know i think a lot of people that work in those systems would wish it wasn't that way and i said yeah i don't think it's their fault But I just think the system it really sucks And she goes yeah and then we keep talking And then she says another something where she's trying to mitigate Kind of what we're talking about a little bit but in a respectful way And then she goes I said well I've been And then I'm trying to like flex And be like well I have been filming in some Oregon prisons So I feel like I've been kind of Getting to see this on the ground level in certain ways And she says did you talk to any Shot callers and I go oh I go what did you just watch some Lock up on A&E And I'm totally joking like this is all in kind of Good nature joking and then i could see this is what she's been trying to decide if she wants to say or not the whole time she's like my wife runs a juvenile prison in arizona and i guess i just didn't see that coming for her i just i and i'm basically just like with with absolutely no thought as to like what is this other person's lived experience and and also the people in their family and like you know like at no time did i put it together that there could she could have any connection to this system even though she was trying to give me hints because she said at the beginning we were like the ACA

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she goes oh I know a lot of people over there okay where's my bell hint number one and then I was telling the stage manager I was like hey you should try to sneak over and get into jelly roll and the this person who's going to be speaking at the conference goes oh I can call some people for you she was putting it right there for me to understand she had some connection to that world right and I just refused to to take the hint and shut my yap it could have been worse

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She could have said, my wife is Boss Hog. Oh, them Luke boys. Add it again.

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Oh, them Sprook boys.

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Sprook.

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Anyway, that was embarrassing. Now, amazingly, that person I seem to get.

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Yeah, what did you say, though? Sorry, I'm sorry to cut you off. I do think we have a little bit of a delay, which is making me even ruder than usual. But in that moment, so she says, well, my wife runs this prison, which, by the way, we don't know, I'm assuming, whether or not that's a for-profit prison or what. They're not all for-profit prisons. No, we didn't get into that. But what do you say in that moment?

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I wish I could tell you exactly what I said. I didn't apologize, but I also certainly calmed down. Sure, yeah. And I think I kind of pivoted a little bit. I think I I didn't what I didn't do was ask maybe this would have been a better approach ask a follow-up question like oh you know what's her opinion on this whole thing or you know you know here actually okay now I do remember what I said I said oh is she is she going to the conference and she said no she no no she's gonna go did she even know that this was happening is how coincidental and she kind of laughed and said no she didn't so we kind of lightened the mood yeah and then I just kind of like quickly moved on off of the topic yeah that makes so and then this person I talked pretty extensively after that because we had a lot of time backstage and and it wasn't like i will say this she took it a lot better than i might have taken it if somebody was going off on sign painters you know right event coordinators or something like some something that somebody close to me does like she handled it with aplomb and we moved on and we ended up having a totally nice conversation like it didn't ruin things the way It could have. And I wouldn't have even I wouldn't have resented her if she was kind of like, yeah, I don't really want to if she just sort of Homer Simpson into like the bushes to just get away from the conversation with me.

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Well, it's probably a conversation that she is familiar with. I mean, you know, I don't know this person, but given everything that you've said about her and her demeanor during this, it probably sounds like she is, you know, probably is not a stranger to having conversations with people who are, you know, kind of progressive leaning or have thoughts about that, you know. And like probably my guess is she's probably had thoughtful conversations about this before that explores some of the issues that you brought up.

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And as I continued to then re-litigate this whole conversation in my head endlessly for the next six hours, including while on stage wearing a cowboy hat, I started thinking, well, there's also an argument that might be made that if you want the system to change, changing it from the inside is something. Like maybe this, you know, maybe her wife is a progressive who works. I mean, she literally said not everybody who works at these places wants it to be this way.

00:26:08 - 00:26:09 | Speaker 2:

Yeah, yeah.

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You know, I mean, her wife could be there really trying to make significant and important change in the lives of the incarcerated, you know, youth that she's dealing with. I don't even know. Right. So that was why I felt even a little bit more embarrassed about how strident I was. But but yeah, so that was that was a lesson learned for me. I was earlier in the week talking about how my new thing is to be nice to everyone. And my new thing, Andrew, is to really try to alienate as many people as possible related to the work that their spouses do.

00:26:39 - 00:26:43 | Speaker 2:

Did you get that what would Seacrest do tattoo yet? Did you get that done on Broadway yesterday?

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I can tell you something Seacrest would not have brought up. The carceral system.

00:26:49 - 00:26:59 | Speaker 2:

Yeah, probably. You would have had the good sense to leave it alone. Just sort of sidestep right around that. You should probably tell us more about the cowboy hat, though.

00:27:01 - 00:27:57 | Speaker 1:

You know what, Andrew? I'll tell you this you don't judge a man unless you've been in a foxhole don't judge a man unless you've walked a mile in his cowboy hat so basically they had these you know these free cowboy hats a lot of people were buying or not buying but just taking as merch or as you know swag and bedazzling and doing fun things with and they were the color of the the kind of corporate colors of this of this company that I was helping out with and and on literally the very last thing that I was doing where I went on stage there was just a cowboy hat sitting backstage I had not worn one at any point in the thing i just was like okay i'm gonna put this on to just also really what i need to do i needed to buy time on stage because the band was setting up there was a a country western singer that was performing and they were like we need you to try to kill two minutes up there so i killed about one minute just standing silently on the stage letting everyone take in the majesty that was me in this blue cowboy hat i wasn't sure if it was one of those things where

00:27:57 - 00:28:03 | Speaker 2:

they asked you to do it or if you just grabbed it as it was not even a cowboy hat i grabbed it as

00:28:03 - 00:28:51 | Speaker 1:

like uh just a silly thing to do at the end of the whole thing and that literally because it you know what it was like and i respond very poorly to people being like hey could you wear the cowboy hat when you go out there um and these folks were so gracious and would not have asked me that and didn't ask me that but it's kind of like when you're on the plane and you just have a little hesitancy uh hesitance about making small talk with your seatmate until the plane lands and then you're just like oh well this only at at the at the longest this might only last 10 minutes i can do anything for 10 minutes and because it was the last time i was to step on the stage and i was so relieved that we'd all gotten through it and had been really successful and everything i was like now i can put this cowboy hat on now i can look like this because it's the last time i have to do this i couldn't start here or do this in the middle because i can't go out in this cowboy hat each and

00:28:51 - 00:29:59 | Speaker 2:

every time right yeah and that is actually kind of the dynamic that i was actually sort of in the back of my head thinking about when i asked you that question because i i thought like if they had asked you hey part of the deal is you got to wear this cowboy hat or whatever it is like i i feel like and i i think maybe to a lesser degree with you because you're generally more game about things in life than i am i think the word you're thinking of is greedy well well true i mean you what's your price they are paying you but i mean generally speaking though like i think that I mean, if the quintessential image of my personality is that photo of me as a kid with people singing happy birthday to me and me like just a huge, loving extended family at my grandparents house, all singing happy like eighth birthday to me or seventh or whatever it was. And I'm putting my hands over my ears, not as a joke, but because I feel so uncomfortable about the attention being put on me. like there's something about but i'm not necessarily against attention i mean that's something that i sort of learned later on in life i always thought of myself as a kid and into my life and you know well into my adulthood

00:30:00 - 00:30:47 | Speaker 3:

I always thought of myself as a very, very shy person, which in a lot of ways I am. But I'm also somebody who will insert myself a little bit. And I kind of like going to realize that at a certain point. And it's kind of like, well, what kind of attention do you want, Walsh? And I'm like, well, I guess the bottom line is I want to decide what kind of attention I want and when I'm going to volunteer it. And if somebody were to say to me, hey, you got to go on stage and you got to wear this cowboy hat, I might have a reaction of like, well, you don't really tell me what goes on my head. You know what I mean? Whereas if I were walking out on stage or something, I saw it sitting there. I'm like, oh, this could get a few chuckles. And if it's on my own terms and I will grab it and take it off or something like I could see that. So maybe in some ways I'm saying I'm I'm trying to associate with maybe how you might have felt if this were a different situation.

00:30:48 - 00:32:02 | Speaker 2:

I felt total agency in this situation, which is why it didn't feel so threatening, because I'm exactly like you. Well, no, I mean, really and truly, if the thing would have been, hey, we want to have you come out and do this thing, and these are the terms, et cetera, one thing, we do want you to wear this cowboy hat. I would have probably double-checked the numbers. I would have done some personal calculation of what my, quote-unquote, dignity is worth. and if the number and the contract was enough then i would wear the cowboy hat um but that was not how this worked at all and because it was totally voluntary and i just thought this will be this is kind of a silly dumb thing for me to do but i get to choose if i'm doing it or not so it did so it felt again i felt like i had agency and yeah in the matter yeah that makes sense hello and welcome to top story um all right um this is not so much a top story as just a kind of catching folks up because i never followed up on this and there was a real sort of satisfactory resolution to uh sorry i'm trying to also get this audio playing if i can um i think it needs a moment to load or i don't know i'm trying to play oh i might have uh in fact i grabbed that

00:32:02 - 00:32:07 | Speaker 3:

audio sent it to john who i believe sent it to you or i might have it with the but do you have

00:32:07 - 00:32:21 | Speaker 2:

with the reveal i've got oh okay gotcha gotcha so um i'm gonna try this i'm playing it's from instagram recorded on my phone texted to myself so it's you know the classic chain of custody for

00:32:21 - 00:32:36 | Speaker 3:

audio who knows if this will work wait a second though that audio that you're about to play from instagram is actually audio that unless there's more to it than just the music is i have the original that went up onto instagram in my system right here should i just play well if you

00:32:36 - 00:32:40 | Speaker 2:

want to put i need to i feel like it needs the music as the payoff yeah that's what i have i'm

00:32:40 - 00:32:46 | Speaker 3:

sorry the music oh you have the music yes indeed that the the thing that was the big reveal yeah

00:32:46 - 00:32:52 | Speaker 2:

okay but i do want people to do you also have me singing the song oh no i'm sorry i didn't realize

00:32:52 - 00:32:55 | Speaker 3:

that boy i've really ruined this i really should have showed up for the editorial meeting today

00:32:55 - 00:34:46 | Speaker 2:

uh we should have a we should have had one and b i don't think i'm helping us at all here so don't blame yourself okay i am going to play this this is a conversation that we had when i was in san francisco somehow we got on the topic of like a certain kind of cell phone ring i was trying to sing it to andrew and it was um not working and then eventually we had a listener maggie middle shelf wilsey who immediately figured out what i was talking about and then uh i think sent a message to like john sklaroff or something so what i'm going to play here is me trying to sing the song to andrew and then you're going to also hear the real song um and that's hopefully going to be somewhat interesting let's see here why was the ring do do do what is that you know what is that ringtone called that was like oh i thought you were doing i thought you were doing um the scorpions no this is i was literally trying to somebody will know what this is called there was this default ringtone and it's like and it has this like under it what were those nokias called not that i mean that's the nokia okay yeah that's 90s i'm just gonna sing it for you one more time it's got like two different things going on okay so over the top it's going that's the over the top part and the under part is and that is called by the seaside had you heard that ring yeah that's Maggie that's why I feel

00:34:46 - 00:34:59 | Speaker 3:

like that tape misrepresents me and this is where I'm going to be filing a what do we file and who do we file it with it makes it sound like I knew when you were when you were talking

00:35:00 - 00:35:03 | Speaker 1:

about that i knew it like what you were singing and first of all you did a really good job actually

00:35:03 - 00:35:12 | Speaker 2:

of doing both those parts and like i have to be honest with you it was less bad than i when i heard it i was like that kind of does indicate what the song sounds like when i play that nokia

00:35:12 - 00:35:26 | Speaker 1:

it's not like i thought oh this is what you're thinking of luke it was me just scrambling around and googling and literally googling early 90s things so i it makes it sound like i was confusing those two i was not i was just like kind of throwing darts at the dartboard just for the

00:35:26 - 00:35:30 | Speaker 2:

record so when you heard that by the seaside you were like oh okay i've heard that ring when you

00:35:30 - 00:35:39 | Speaker 1:

were doing that i was like you can hear me say oh yeah yeah yeah i re i remember what you were talking about i couldn't i don't think i would have been able to recreate it the way you did

00:35:39 - 00:36:20 | Speaker 2:

but i was like oh yeah i know i know what you're talking about well shout out to maggie for helping scratch my brain on that because uh there was you know i don't know how i was going to get to that answer other than maggie figuring it out so thank you very much there's one other story that i wanted to talk about with you before we wrap this week up, which is this truly, I mean, I was going to say truly wild story, except for the fact that, I don't know, have I done enough damage to the city of Nashville that I can now turn my attention to Disney? Something that's very beloved, particularly by a lot of our listeners. I would say this is wild, but I also kind of wouldn't put anything past Disney. Have you seen this story about this wrongful death suit?

00:36:20 - 00:36:21 | Speaker 1:

Yeah, the lawsuit story, yeah. It's just, it makes your head explode.

00:36:21 - 00:37:42 | Speaker 2:

I can't believe that they're actually trying to pursue this because I feel like the sort of reputational hit that they take over this is so much worse than just settling this situation, which honestly sounds like it was Disney's fault or the restaurant's fault. So there is a guy named Jeffrey Piccolo who is suing the Walt Disney Parks and Resorts because unfortunately he and his wife were eating at a Walt Disney property somewhere and she had a really violent allergic reaction and she passed away. It sounds like a truly horrific incident. And according to them, she had asked repeatedly, you know, if what was in various things and was really trying to be careful and was assured again, this is their version of events repeatedly that the stuff was OK for her to eat and then it wasn't. and she passed away so that's a you know obviously a tragedy and one of those things where i do i can see that the i can see why you would think this was the fault of the you know disneyland or disney world or whichever one they were at um it's pretty direct it's not like the person was randomly walking in disneyland they had a cardiac event and then they they died maybe they could have been anywhere when that happened this seemed pretty pretty related to some decisions that were made somewhere within this restaurant and the kitchen and all that can i jump in because i think you and

00:37:42 - 00:39:21 | Speaker 1:

i read the same piece because i think i because i'd seen this floating around i'm pretty sure that the one that i actually read was probably the one you sent me and whatever story i read mentioned like very specifically like they went into this restaurant which by the way disney points out they don't own the restaurant but the restaurant is on a disney property so it sounds like there's some you know there's that whole aspect of this too just for a little bit of context but the The experience of the couple, I mean, again, it's just so – it's so goddamn heartbreaking. But, you know, this woman has very severe allergies, which must – when you have very severe allergies like that that are life-threatening, you must, you know, know this routine on the occasion. First of all, you probably don't eat – you probably don't put your trust in other people's kitchens all that often, I'm guessing. I'm sure that there's a lot of like, well, we've prepared this food because we know that you can't trust every kitchen that says there's no peanuts in this or whatever. But it sounds like they said to the server, we need to make sure like it doesn't have any of these, whatever the allergens were, like whatever the server definitely like got the message and confirmed with them. And then the food comes out and they say it looks like this might not be copacetic. And they were assured at least a second, if not a third time that like, no, no, no, they got the notes. We prepared this within the specifications that you said. And then they went ahead and ate it. And then this tragedy happened. So I just want again, I'm not I'm not weighing in on the legality of any of this because I'm not a lawyer and I don't know all the ins and outs. But like just from the the tragedy and also these people like really they didn't just go into a Chipotle and they didn't write peanuts on the menu and thought everything was OK.

00:39:22 - 00:42:15 | Speaker 2:

Yeah, their version of events is, or his version of events is that they were extremely careful about this. And by the way, I don't even know if this is the fault of the waiter, because the waiter might just be repeating information that they were being told. You know, like, I don't, even though this is a terrible thing that happened, I don't think that there's a quote-unquote bad guy in this. I don't think the person who ever prepared the food would ever want someone to, you know, die from the food. I don't think anyone was trying to do the wrong thing here. I just think this is the kind of stuff that unfortunately happens in the world, and when it does happen, when it feels like it might have been preventable, we often sue the people who we think should have prevented it. And if you're Disney and the. is on your property you're sort of you know you're you're gonna get you're gonna be on the hook for it the crazy thing is that disney is looking to have the lawsuit thrown out because this uh guy a jeffrey piccolo had signed up for disney plus in 2019 now how could that be related to this incident that happened well i'll tell you uh disney's logic is when you sign up for disney plus and you're clicking on all that stuff that none of us ever read all that fine print you agree that if you have an issue with disney plus it will be settled by arbitration within the company in other words you can't sue disney because you had a bad experience with disney plus that's part of the terms of signing up for disney plus also he bought the some park tickets through the like disney like world epcot website and the same thing there's some sort of terms of service there where you are also when you click accept to buy the tickets you're accepting that you will not be able to sue disney for something that happened with your tickets you'd have to go through arbitration within disney and so they are saying that because this guy in 2019 five years ago this guy signed up for disney plus it means that he cannot sue uh related to his wife dying from something that happened at essentially a disney property and it is i mean that is such a stretch i cannot believe that whatever legal eagles thought this up for disney i cannot believe somebody signed off on this and this is now the the amount of damages is doing in the media to them is so much more than the fifty thousand dollar lawsuit there's two different numbers i'm seeing one is the company is trying to get the fifty thousand dollar lawsuit tossed out and another one is the fifty thousand in excess of fifty thousand dollar lawsuit because to be honest with you for someone dying like this fifty thousand dollars sounds pretty low so i think that that might have been the the one the the one that makes it sound like he's only super fifty thousand dollars that one seems i think that might be incorrect i'm guessing that the the amount they're seeking is more than fifty thousand but regardless let's say it's a million i just think this is such a bad look for disney i can't believe that they went with this it's a terrible look absolutely

00:42:15 - 00:43:12 | Speaker 1:

and i would like to say again like i don't know the legality of a case like this and so i legitimately other than just to say like it is it is really heartbreaking to hear this couple's story um but i don't you know but i'm not weighing in i don't like it especially you know you turn on you know like am talk radio the kind of thing that you and i used to produce you know and just kind of like you you find these people who don't know shit about shit just weighing in from their gut about legal matters that are like super complicated so i'm not i'm not trying to do that here it's it's really heartbreaking but the so there might be other legal matters that make it not disney's responsibility to pay this out but this idea of like these huge companies i mean this goes back to not even the hugest of companies i remember back in like i think the early 2000s like this arbitration thing if you work for company x you sign all this paperwork and like you're

00:43:12 - 00:43:15 | Speaker 2:

basically signing away i think we had that at bonneville by the way is that maybe what i'm

00:43:15 - 00:43:53 | Speaker 1:

thinking of i don't know but you know i mean essentially i never understood what it meant at the time but i was like whatever and you're also kind of like well if worse comes to worse then you know if something like that happens a lot of things have gone sideways and i have a lawyer and we'll see how much you know these contracts you know hold up in court but yeah like this idea of these companies like kind of circling their wagons around this idea of you can't sue us if you if you've engaged with us in any kind of a contract especially for and again i think you even specified this he wasn't even signing up for the service he was signing up for a free trial of the service, probably so he could watch his local baseball team play a game that they were withholding. It all comes back to God dang Rob.

00:43:53 - 00:43:56 | Speaker 2:

You know who can look at my butthole? Rob Manfred.

00:43:57 - 00:44:40 | Speaker 1:

Ironically, he was the one wearing the... Nate Silver was wearing the T-shirt. I really buried the lead on that, I apologize. Anyway, so anyway, it's just like, yeah, but here's the other... So I've always detested the companies that do this. You've engaged with them on this thing, so therefore you're signing away the rights to ever hold them accountable for anything other than through arbitration, which, of course, they will have a lot more power in. But the other thing that you mentioned is, like, you can't believe that somebody was, you know, okay, so you have the lawyers who are doing their job, which is lawyering, right? And they're looking for any loophole like this. And, you know, in a certain way, no shame on them. But you should have also people who are employing those lawyers saying, well, listen, that's not... What are the optics of this? What are the optics? And also, what are the values? I mean, God.

00:44:40 - 00:44:52 | Speaker 2:

yeah you know what a crazy idea i literally i'm so beat down by life that honestly the idea of like what would be the morally correct thing to do didn't even enter my calculation yeah

00:44:52 - 00:44:59 | Speaker 1:

and well it shouldn't honestly we're talking about disney here like you know what i mean we're talking about the house of mouse we are talking about the house of mouse

00:45:00 - 00:45:42 | Speaker 2:

But anyway, honestly, though, Luke, at the end of the day, like, what does this do to Disney? Let's just say this even blows up further. Like, does it mean that people like does does Disney take any kind of other than, you know, us and maybe other people rolling our eyes about this on broadcast medium, media, media or, you know, even in just like dinner time conversation. Does anybody say, you know what? I'm not going to sign up for Disney Plus now. Who was planning on doing it anyway? You know what I mean? Or does anybody say, you know what, I'm not going to go to the to the to the Epcot Center or Disneyland or whatever. I'm going to cancel that trip or I'm not. I mean, maybe, maybe, but I kind of doubt it.

00:45:43 - 00:46:19 | Speaker 1:

Yeah, that's a good point. I mean, it probably doesn't hurt their business. But I guess what I would say is they spend a lot of money trying to just like create goodwill with billboards and the amount of money they spend, which also which may or may not move the needle to just have people think that it's the most magical place on Earth. this, you know, is counter to that. So at the very least, it just invalidates some amount of spending on trying to, you know. Also, I didn't realize there were 150 million people signed up for Disney+. I bet you 149,900,990 of those people thought they were going to drop it after the trial subscription.

00:46:20 - 00:46:20 | Speaker 2:

Yeah, probably.

00:46:21 - 00:46:45 | Speaker 1:

I mean, that is a massive number of people. And again, I feel I'm one of them, I believe. And it's all kind of done at the sort of at the barrel of a gun. i.e. you want to watch a baseball game you want to watch the mandadorian there's something that maybe is that even disney plus like there's something that you want to watch and so you sign up for it and then you forget to unsign up for it and a hundred 150 million people have

00:46:45 - 00:47:51 | Speaker 2:

have made that same mistake that i've made well i'm fighting back with my um i think five dollar a month vpn me and walter are over here fighting the good fight um just because disney plus and Apple are the only two kind of major streaming services that we don't mess with in this house we just we you know we have so many and there are so few things on those streamers that we care that much about but like WandaVision was a big one for me that was Disney plus so we did that and then um on Apple the only one that I kind of cared about was the one that you told me about first that was really good with um Severance yeah thank you um now I don't know I don't want to cut this short if you had more to say on this but i did want to know that's pretty much it while i have the mic here and before we wrap up um by i feel like by next week it's too late to talk about this story and there's just something i wanted to see a lot of listeners were sending us this i'm i'm inserting a top story here luke an un love it an unauthorized top story here um did you see the story that a lot of people were sending us after your experience in the self-driving

00:47:51 - 00:48:04 | Speaker 1:

Waymo car uh last week yes and you know what those two one of the two stage managers that I was talking to today was giving me the same information of the beeping of the Waymos it was

00:48:04 - 00:48:34 | Speaker 2:

actually I'd seen the headline a bunch and I was kind of like oh yeah I'll check that out and then finally today at lunch I think maybe it was reprinted in the Seattle Times and that's kind of my routine I kind of check in with the Seattle Times several times a day and one time is at lunch I'm eating my lunch and I'm reading the Seattle Times I see that they have the headline that I'd been sent by other people that said like Waymo's, you know, self-driving cars are honking at each other and disturbing a neighborhood. The piece, I don't know if you read it, but it was actually-

00:48:34 - 00:48:34 | Speaker 1:

Maybe they're just horny.

00:48:36 - 00:49:59 | Speaker 2:

Tonk. Maybe they're just tonking because they're horny. It was actually, I enjoyed the piece that was reprinted in the Seattle Times that I'm going to guess was SF Gate who wrote it originally, but it might've been a New York Times piece. parachuting into that neighborhood but um it was kind of it was kind of charming the perspective it was told through which was a woman who um lives above this parking lot that used to be sort of an empty parking lot not a lot going on there but in the past year or so became a parking lot for these self-driving waymo brand cars and um i guess especially like there are two times like very late at night slash early morning where the cars kind of come and go when they're kind of they don't have as many trips to have people calling them on their smartphones or whatever. So they come kind of to the storage area that happens to be below this woman's apartment window. And she started taping it on her cell phone. I think they said with a webcam and a cereal box. It's not great cinematography. But you see these Waymo cars trying to park. They're all kind of congregating in this parking lot. And they're moving around looking for parking spots. But apparently something changed in like Waymo's approach to these cars recently where they added a honking feature. It's my understanding that they didn't always have this honking feature but it's a somewhat new development and they added

00:50:00 - 00:51:06 | Speaker 1:

this honking feature and now you had these waymo cars coming to park themselves between like 2 30 a.m and 4 a.m you know as the woman said peak sleeping hours uh they're coming they're returning home to nest and they're getting all honking each other and it's not like if you listen to it i was looking for the tape i don't have it directly in front of me it's not a cacophony it's not like honking over time it's like it's almost worse in a certain way it's kind of like honk honk honk I think this is like kind of like four second delay or whatever but you see these cars sort of like kind of bouncing in and out and like trying to navigate which spot they're gonna and they're all honking at each other and what I loved about the story at the very end the the final quote from the woman was like you know it's it's it's not great and the company is working on it but honestly like I have no problem with that parking lot being down there like before they were using it it was just an empty lot and people were going down there and partying and firing off fire fireworks and other things that were keeping me up at night anyway and I actually really enjoy watching the cars sort of buzz around down there it's sort of neat to see and I was like you know what I like this person I like this person who like kind of got internet famous

00:51:06 - 00:51:40 | Speaker 2:

that's a very kind of measured response I mean I would not as a person who does love their sleep I would not enjoy having some honking waymos down below my window I don't know I also saw in my emails that I got you know maybe four or five people sending this to me And then when I mentioned it to the person I was talking to backstage, she immediately brought up and I said, what do you think of these shoes? I think they're weird. I think this is a story that if you're already disinclined towards Waymo, it's just more evidence. And if you, like me, think it's the greatest invention in human history, I'm undeterred.

00:51:42 - 00:51:49 | Speaker 1:

Yes, I could see that as well. Like how you feel about these cars is going to sort of imprint on the story a little bit. And I guess I'm still liking that.

00:51:49 - 00:52:00 | Speaker 2:

My hearing. Oh, sorry. My hearing of it is like, yeah, they'll get it fixed, but they're still bitching. And and somebody who thinks that these are like, you know, the the rise of the robots are like, this is just another example of why this is terrible.

00:52:00 - 00:52:33 | Speaker 1:

Yeah, right. And, you know, so anyway, I just kind of I did like the fact that the person who was quoted in this article wasn't like, it's awful. We got to take them off the streets. It's sort of I just liked her her sort of fascination because I think I would be fascinated by that, too. Like she's like, I kind of like looking out the window and watching them all sort of try to navigate and park. It's kind of fun. Did you see that after she posted her video, people started because I think it was a live stream, I think, because that's the only way this little dazzling detail makes sense. But apparently people online were starting to bet on which car would take which space.

00:52:34 - 00:52:39 | Speaker 2:

Oh, now I mean, somebody's trying to tell me this is a bad thing.

00:52:39 - 00:52:43 | Speaker 1:

There was some action on this. It's like roulette. It's like roulette with self-driving cars.

00:52:43 - 00:53:01 | Speaker 2:

I love it. I mean, obviously, 7, 14, 23, 35. All right, let's do a little music for your weekend in the new style, which I want to apologize, Andrew. I realize I am getting way too verbose with my little write-ups of my songs.

00:53:01 - 00:53:05 | Speaker 1:

The more you write for your music for your weekend, the less I have to write at the top of the email.

00:53:05 - 00:53:32 | Speaker 2:

As soon as I sent that email, I looked in my... I was like, that was a page. And it's not music criticism at all. It's just the dumbest musings by me on whatever, some song that I like. I like it. I do. I like it. But if it's getting too long, tell me. Or if you want to cut it down, no offense taken. I'm not trying to send you pages and pages of this stuff. I don't think it's all that illuminating to the world.

00:53:33 - 00:53:46 | Speaker 1:

No, I like your little write-ups. I like hearing your voice in the newsletter. I think it's nice, and if people don't want to read the whole thing, they can easily skip by it. We're not running out of space on the internet, luckily enough. So do you want to tell folks what you did pick?

00:53:46 - 00:54:12 | Speaker 2:

Yeah, you'd think I would have picked a song off of Nashville Skyline, the Bob Dylan record, that I have been listening. I listened to it on my jog this morning, which felt a little on the nose, but it's a good record. I picked a song from the band Pavement, and the song is Harness Your Hopes, Which is an interesting song Because of all the Pavement songs I love It wasn't super on my radar And then it really kind of blew up during the pandemic

00:54:12 - 00:54:18 | Speaker 1:

Yeah it wasn't on anybody's radar It was an extra track Was it Slanted and Enchanted was it?

00:54:18 - 00:54:20 | Speaker 2:

Or like a B-side

00:54:20 - 00:54:30 | Speaker 1:

It was a B-side that when they re-release You know they re-release all those records With like all the B-sides and the outtakes and everything This was a B-side that was released Much later after the record came out

00:54:30 - 00:55:45 | Speaker 2:

It's I just think such a good song But as I write in my epically long description of the song, it also illustrates the thing that I always say about Pavement, which is there is going to be a moment in every Pavement song that I just don't know what they're doing. And it's 23 moments. It's 23. The first 23 seconds of this song are maddening to me. And then at second 24, it just kicks in. And then it's just bliss from there on out for me. So anyway, that's the song that I suggested, Harness Your Hopes. There's also, by the way, way somebody on tiktok did a breakdown of because the lyrics i mean steve malcolm's lyrics are completely bizarre to me and kind of hard to interpret but actually that song some of the weird stuff he's saying is actually it's all kind of a coded joke have you seen this no i didn't see that so he i'm not gonna be able to do this off top of my head and my connectivity is a little limited here but if you if you listen to the song and you like it google around like what do the lyrics of harness your hopes mean because he's making these meta jokes like the things he's describing are also known as something else and the something else that they're known as the series of the something else's is a theme like it makes sense so the total lunacy of the lyrics is actually his way of making this other kind of interesting joke i see what you're saying it's like the 1980s

00:55:45 - 00:56:06 | Speaker 1:

show super password where first you have to figure out the the the what the password is but then that goes up on a board and you're solving a larger puzzle at the same time precisely um in fact that's what i think it says in the liner notes right is that what it says in the liner notes it's like the 1984 game show super crossword it's steve malchemist's absolute favorite

00:56:06 - 00:56:13 | Speaker 2:

um game show of all time he's a known fan so that's song i'm recommending what are you

00:56:13 - 00:56:35 | Speaker 1:

recommending sir as a counter protest to um your take on the noisier and more experimental side of pavement i'm also recommending a pavement song which is everything you dislike about pavement but i love it and it's called this is fun yeah i know this look at this dance i know i wasn't sure if you were gonna like that or i thought you're gonna be like oh you go first next week

00:56:35 - 00:56:40 | Speaker 2:

so i can i wrote you are sandbagging me a little bit but i'm in i'm into it i said i'm sharing

00:56:40 - 00:58:22 | Speaker 1:

this as a counter protest to luke's besmirching of some of pavement's most interesting stuff anyway um no i i dig it it's not for everybody but if you do like the kind of the noisier more experimental side of pavement they have an album that came out and it's actually like i think it's like a collection of their earliest like kind of songs that weren't actually put onto official records it's called westing by musket and sextant it does have a couple of songs on there that i think you love i think that's where box elder originates oh i almost went with box elder because it's missouri which is kind of near tennessee right yeah yeah but anyway um but there's But this is the record that has, like, this is when they're, you know, finding their feet, and they're very experimental, and they're playing a lot of, like, just weird-ass stuff. But they have one song called Conduit for Sailbys. Django pop, hold the pop. It's just, yeah, it's Django, and it's weird. And some of it's, like, more aggressive than others. Some of it is just, like, he literally sings kind of over, like, there's a static on the first. I love the first track, and you would hate it so much. It begins with almost a digital sound, like a fax machine or something. And then it switches over into some kind of static, and then he sings over the static in a way that I just, for me, it reminds me of this. I just love this record so much when I was in college, and I remember driving around and listening to it. And so anyway, the song Conduit for Sale is one where he sort of repeats over and over again, I'm trying, I'm trying. And he kind of yells at the top of his lungs. And I just remembered, like, just going through whatever existential struggles I was going through as, like, a privileged young white man at that time, but trying to figure out adulthood and just, like, screaming, like, I'm trying. I'm trying. So anyway, if you like the weirder stuff, that's my music for your weekend.

00:58:22 - 00:58:32 | Speaker 2:

I think that is such an interesting approach. I love it. We just have to keep finding things. Next week, I'm going to recommend a black and white cookie, the white side. You have to recommend the black side.

00:58:32 - 00:58:36 | Speaker 1:

Yes. It becomes a theme. I'm just glad I didn't have to defend the white side.

00:58:37 - 00:59:03 | Speaker 2:

You know, I lobbed that one to you. I literally was going to save the black side for me and then make you deal with defending the white side, but I didn't do that to you, my friend. It would never. Never me. Our listener recommendation is from listener Kristen, who says, hey, guys, I recently found Chapel Rhone after she was the guest on Wait, Wait, Don't Tell Me. Boy, they wouldn't let me on that show, huh? They wouldn't let me on the episode where they have the now very famous Chapel Rhone, even though I've been her number one hype man.

00:59:03 - 00:59:06 | Speaker 1:

Since you've been champion, since she owes all of her popularity to you.

00:59:07 - 00:59:39 | Speaker 2:

I mean, a lot of it. Peter Sagal sold it when he said that he was a fan. She is delightful as the whole album, as is the whole album that comes off of This Is the Rise and Fall of a Midwest Princess. That's the name of the record. It's amazing and all the songs are good. I chose After Midnight because it's got strong summer vibes and no cursing or references to adult times like other songs on the album. I just figured, you know, we've talked so much about Chapel Roan on the show. i don't know if we've ever played we've played much of her music i think maybe dftb had recommended a song at some point i can't remember if we played that or not that's why it came up he

00:59:39 - 00:59:54 | Speaker 1:

recommended a song and then you were like oh man i really think that chapel rhone is going and again this is you said this months and months ago you're like i just think that this is more than just going to be a popular singer this is going to be a phenomenon and man of all of the things

00:59:54 - 00:59:55 | Speaker 2:

a feminominon

00:59:55 - 00:59:58 | Speaker 1:

I think she starred

00:59:58 - 01:00:04 | Speaker 2:

I think there's one of the many kamala harris memes is we need a feminomenon oh really oh i didn't yeah and that's a believe a

01:00:04 - 01:00:22 | Speaker 3:

chapel room thing wasn't that a muppet song phenomenon that's my music for your weekend anyway no but yeah i'm gonna pick one from fraggle rock it was david who recommended it but it was you who said keep an eye on this chapel room and boy were you right but i really

01:00:22 - 01:00:53 | Speaker 2:

appreciate kristin also picking a song that has no cursing or references to adult time so i don't to feel uncomfortable after I've already named a very offensive t-shirt that just flew right out and into the ears of the many children listening to this all over America so I apologize for that alright well without further ado I think that's gonna wrap it up for the week we'll go out with some Chapel Rhone and say thank you so much for being part of TBTL thanks for listening we'll see you on Monday with more Imaginary Radio in the meantime have a great weekend and please remember no mountain too tall and good luck to all

01:00:57 - 01:01:21 | Speaker 1:

And it's not attractive, wearing a dress and red lipstick, this is what I wanted, this is what I like, I've been a good, good girl for a long time, but baby I like flirting, loving by my side, can be a good, good girl. Power out.

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