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I was watching a football game, and I'm sitting on my couch, and I was going to get something to drink out of the refrigerator. Right when I get up, one guy, one team kicked off to the other team. And before I could get back, the guy ran a 100-yard kickoff return, and I missed it. The guy ran 100 yards before I could get three to maybe four yards. that guy also had 11 people really trying not to let him run 100 yards i hadn't i didn't have an ottoman in my way it was wide open

all right you ready yeah okay beagle beagle boggle boogle boogle boogle Okay, we're ready to do it fast? Yes. Okay, beagle-bongle-boogle. Beagle-bongle-boogle.

Um, maybe try one cooler and faster and louder and better and less insecure and more just cool.

Wait a minute. I read a tweet about a New Yorker article about you. For the sake of customer service, try to chill out, my mom.

My dear, I don't know why you insisted on not doing this wretched broadcasting.

Oh, well, it'll soon be over.

I hope so.

All right, hello, good morning, and welcome, everyone, to a Wednesday edition of TBTL, the show. It just might be too beautiful to live. Yeah, oh yeah, buddy. My name is Luke Burbank. I am your host. Who the hell is that? Coming to you from the Madrona Hill studio perched high above the mighty Columbia, where, I gotta tell you, things are gonna start happening to me now for the last i don't know how long i've been doing the show from the madrona hill studio but i would say in like day two of this of this being operational i spilled an entire giant like thermos of coffee onto the rug i didn't realize how bad it looked until andrew and john sklaroff came here to do the uh thon this summer it was like oh yeah that is a pretty is a pretty sad state of affairs anyway i did it y'all i got one of those little kind of portable steamer devices and just went to town on it yesterday that's your mama's forehead i mean it's just an amazing amazing feeling um a not amazing feeling last night using the restroom probably every 90 minutes i went to bed i went to bed late i was working on research for live wire by the way we'll be at the alberta rose theater tomorrow night please come see us jamie loftus will be there the incredible jamie loftus um and others but uh i was up kind of late i went to bed at like 10 30 and i got up at about 5 30 and in that how many hours seven hours i think i visited the bathroom probably six times this is not a ringing endorsement for 75 hard ish at all and maybe that's the journey that i'm on maybe that's the the awareness i've come to is this is a terrible terrible idea to try to drink a gallon of water a day and do all of this other shenanigans that i've been engaging in uh this is the shenanigan though that you've tuned in for episode 4311 in a collector series let the fun begin I was kind of checking the top 10 podcasts the other day everyone's got a podcast and I realized that the true crimes young is very very popular and so today we we promoted this yesterday didn't get to it but today we will try to do some true crime mystery solving the past is history the future is a mystery he's saying mystery solving but the article is actually about a mystery that's very much salt it's just a weird ass crime that happened in the uk uh which we will talk about and then i mean the bread and butter of this show it's really two things now it's me talking about having to go to the bathroom too much and then me talking about customer service events that i or things that happen to me in the realm of commerce that i'm kind of like huh about he's a prisoner of his own grievances and i have amazing news people something happened yesterday when i was

trying to order a jacket that we can talk about today if we are going to try to get into the crime solving business i think this guy is exactly the person to do it he once played columbo for halloween oh sir just one more thing he's also the longest running co-bro of the show maybe best known for his depictions of the tall ships he's andrew walsh and he's joining me right

now good morning my friend hey luke i um i want to return to a conversation that i started on the show about three days ago i think maybe it was monday when this popped up and this is so unimportant but it was just a conversation that i keep on

continuing in my head with you and i would like just bring it to the airwaves sure um maybe it's because this is a game that i try to play every october and i'm so terrible at it um and this time i have more answers that i want to share with you and the question was what will be i'm sorry i'm getting emotional i don't know if you heard my voice crack there but it has been i did and it's okay i'll be strong for both of us it's a tough topic halloween costumes i was i proposed to you What do you think is going to be the number one Halloween costume this year? And you said Ray Gunn, which I thought was a very, very good kind of suggestion. And by the way, maybe this is one of the reasons why my brain returned to this topic was since I said that on Monday's show, I believe it was yesterday, I was scrolling through Instagram and I saw some of the very first Halloween photos of my friends, actual mutual friends. I won't call them out, but somebody ran a race, like an early October race where everybody dressed up. and one of the people was dressed up as Ray Gunn. It's a simple thing, right? I think it was a race. It was some sort of event that they were at. Okay, so Ray Gunn, I think, is going to be the number one costume, but it occurred to me that I think Childless Cat Lady is going to be huge this year. And I'll bet you some couples will get a little kinky with it, and one will go as J.D. Vance, and the other one will go as the Childless Cat Lady. Or one will go as the lady and one as the cat. I could see that happening, too. But I just wanted to put my marker down on that.

Yeah, you wanted to mark your territory, really, like a cat living with a child as a cat lady. You'd like to pee in the corner of this conversation.

I think that's going to be – you know, that is something I do on the show a lot. I feel like I just pee on conversations. But anyway, that was it. I don't have more of a complete list right now, but I just kept thinking, like, I know I'm going to be right about this one, So I would like it to be on the record that I'm calling it right now. Ray Gunn, Childless Cat Lady, and J.D. Vance.

I saw one that I think you will have. I saw it on TikTok. I think you will have very, very little context for because it's not a part of pop culture that you engage with. And it's pretty dark, actually. But I think I've seen two groups, two couples, not couples necessarily in terms of romantics, but two duos, right? And it's this person who's known as Gypsy Rose Lee. I know. Are you familiar with this person?

Yeah, the Munchausen, the proxy. Yes, okay, well look at that, Andrew, I apologize. She just got out of prison, right?

Yeah.

I thought you were just over there, Andy Kapp. No, I'm into this one. Just sleeping it off from being at the pub and getting locked horned with Genevieve.

That's right.

This is me just referring to a text chain from last night that the listeners have zero context for.

I'm sorry to blow up that thread so much, by the way, but when you— I loved it.

I had already gone to bed, I believe. It was so good. Okay, quickly, let's address this. Let's address this text thread, and then I'll just explain the Gypsy Rose Lee thing, although you've basically got it. Actually, let's invert the order. The Gypsy Rose Lee thing is—and that's exactly who I'm talking about. It was someone portraying her mother, who now famously, infamously, you know, was really, really, really hurt her child physically and mentally because of Munchausen's by proxy. She told everyone her child was sick. She did all these terrible things. The child eventually collaborated with someone else to kill the mother. The mother is dead. The child, Gypsy Rosalie, is now out of jail and living a life that seems to be, you know, working for her. she's still in the public eye she's kind of a cult figure in a way

and is she with did she reunite with the person who that she murdered

no the person who did the actual crime see this it's happening Andrew we've finally moved into the true crime space yes the person who did the crime is still incarcerated which is an interesting quirk of the justice system I think that was seen you know maybe rightfully so sort of the person who physically enacted this murder is in jail still I believe

But was she sexting with him? Because I know that somebody in her life, she publicly commented on his physical anatomy. You're thinking of Fire D, aren't you? Yes, exactly. I'm thinking of Fire D, yes.

Yes, you are. That's the saddest thing I've ever heard.

Is that him or is that a new partner? Is that a new romantic liaison? It was a new partner. I see.

So she and that person, if I understand right, parted company or were no longer a thing. Then she had a person who was her boyfriend or whatever While she was incarcerated, she got out There was literally like a one-week period Where they were together romantically And she was getting on social media And she did famously say the D was fire I might have said the fire was D Which shows you how little fire D I've delivered

during my time on this planet that I don't even know which thing is the fire part.

The fire is damp. It's not great.

Am I being brave for the fire, Dean? Anyway, so then she and that person broke up, and I think she has a new feller. I guess what the internet has decided is her mother was in some way deserving of extremely intense retribution. We're sort of rooting for her, and therefore doing characters where she is in a wheelchair and dressed up kind of in her in her most at the point where she was most being munchhausen yeah um and her mom that's i've seen two different groups of people being that it's a little it's kind of on the line but i'm just i want to pee in that corner be sure of

this conversation that one happening oh i see yes you put your mark on that yeah no that's that's

that's that's a little dark yeah dark but it's it's it's in the zeitgeist sure i'm saying you may see some gypsy rose lees as well because she and maybe holding something that represents fire d like unity means i don't know what that would be but i'm just i'm just putting that out there now let's get to the highly relevant lockhorns and andy cap i loved i absolutely loved that response from you last night you and i and televisions chris hayes i've really got to leave that poor man alone i have now violated my one sacred rule with him which is no texting him

while he's literally on live i do that sometimes but that's usually an accident and then he responds

and you're like how are you doing that stop doing that he was going into he was going into a commercial break and the promoting the next thing which was going to be yesterday vice president kamala harris's kind of media blitz she was on the view she was on howard stern and then i think they Played a taped segment with her and Colbert I listened to the Howard Stern Interview by like many thoughts This is getting us No closer to Andy Capp but that's okay That's just what happens This might be slightly more relevant To the times So this is what I texted Chris as he was going into it As if this is going to help him do his Television, his national television program I was like the Stern interview I thought was just like an absolute home run for Kamala Harris, and not because it was even really a sort of a journalistic interview in the way we think of. I would argue that the woman who's the host of Call Her Daddy did a more journalistic interview, I mean, being very serious, than Howard Stern did. Howard Stern just did exactly what you or I would do if somehow Kamala Harris was sitting next to us at Bad Alberts.

But we had no chance to prepare. We didn't know that we were going to be having a conversation with her.

It wasn't – this isn't – I don't even offer this as a criticism of Howard Stern's interviewing skills. What I mean is it just – it was him just going like, how can they – how can it be this close when one of these guys tried to end democracy? Like it was very cathartic to listen to because it was exactly the conversations that we're all having all the time with each other. it was not like okay how okay you you've said a lot about you know trying to bring peace to the middle east but cong in a concrete way what would you do it had none of that right let me explain to you andrew how the interview started the reason i think the interview was really good though was because kamala harris sounded and i mean this like the most relatable normal person maybe since barack obama and maybe only with barack obama as someone who could be in the same kind of echelon of like normalcy like she sounded exactly like a very smart very normal person who's lived a life that resembles i mean her life does not resemble our lives in the sense that she is hopefully going to be president of america but she worked at mcdonald's and she has a glock she apparently that's another way that our lives are not similar but like but like the reason i thought the interview was great was because she was so comfortable talking to howard stern And handled it so well And also got back on Was able to do some messaging stuff But was not locked in campaign speak But very deftly, I thought Would take these crazy These things that Howard Stern would just be Going just like, you know And what? He did this! And then she would just take that And she would have a normal person response to it But then also kind of put it Because he's got a lot of MAGA listeners And they're always getting mad at him Because he's never been MAGA But he hasn't been a Republican in sort of a long time I think he tended to be a little more I don't know what his take on the Central Park Five was But I'm going to guess not great When it went down So all that is to say I just was listening to the whole thing And I was so impressed With Vice President Harris' ability To be in that space with him

and to both come off as totally normal and chill and presidential and then also um but but also get the messaging out that maybe will hit a few people in those swing states who are just like stern heads like as their primary personality trait and like political people as a lower down kind of like priority because those are the people that um that that obviously she needs to reach somebody in michigan or somebody in pennsylvania and by the way like i know this because like my the origins of me knowing about howard stern was because my philly cousins were obsessed with him like it's a big pennsylvania thing like i'd swear i'd say new york new jersey pennsylvania are the hottest

zips for howard stern and you can see i mean and i was going to mention this to to you more posing it as a question but like when you think of howard stern's sort of you know broadcast roots and everybody that he's picked up along the way you would think that this would be the perfect Like sort of when we talk about like how can you reach the people who haven't already made up their minds or possibly switch. Like this is the audience you want. There's been a lot made about both of the candidates going on a lot of podcasts and sort of choosing their audiences. And, you know, Kamala went on all the smoke podcast, you know. So like there's all the friendly audiences, but also like you specifically because podcasting is so niche, you can like really target. I'm going after this.

Everyone's got a podcast.

I'm going after this specific audience, but the stern one is so huge, but also you just have all these guys, and I say that specifically, like, I'm sure that he's got all kinds of listeners, but I know that he has a lot of guys who started listening because of the bawdy talk, and, you know, he didn't, I'll bet you those guys complain, I think you just alluded to this all the time, about how he's woke now, probably, but they kind of can't, they kind of can't give up their stern drug, because they love hearing Ronnie the limo driver talk about his orgasms or whatever. I don't really listen.

Well, first of all, it's called Ronnie's Sex Tips. And Andrew, we are in Coctober.

Okay, let's put some respect on its name. But it really does sort of seem like if you can go on that show as Kamala Harris and be relatable, oh, okay, well, that's where you could actually maybe move a few things around a little bit. I absolutely think so.

I mean, look, I don't want to over-describe this, But I actually think that it was of all the of all of the kind of media blitz that she's been doing lately And again, it's the it's the show that I probably spend the most time with It'd be sort of like her going on levitard or something for you But like of all these things that maybe call her daddy would be up there, too It's like it's it's just I just know who the Howard Stern listener is so deeply because I listen to them calling in Because I am one but I'm way I'm a way outlier for that show as far as being a listener Not that there's, you know Not that there aren't, I mean our friend P. Fletch is also A big listener to the show, but it's like It's mostly dudes Like my cousin Mike who When he worked for the water Department, he charted his whole The water department When I'm doing the accent, you'll know He would just tell me about How he would make his whole Day was about going to Wawa, listening to Stern And parking his truck somewhere where they couldn't find him so he could take a nap like those were the three driving forces in his you know Monday through Friday life and that's the people that you really need to reach uh you know in places like Pennsylvania that's literally exactly the audience that that loves Howard Stern because you're right these are people who are tuning in to hear what happened to Bigfoot when he tried to go have conjugal relations with his girlfriend and she is in fact housing a billy goat in her trailer and this is giving him some performance issues that's that's that's the piece of cheese in the mousetrap that is the howard stern show and now you have the vice president showing up and just totally being a very good hang but again not just like throwing out all like she did she also was so smart because in in an attempt to sort of like be chill with howard stern have a normal conversation she also didn't just slide into not keeping her eyes on the prize of like that one person somewhere in Pennsylvania needing to hear that she's the adult candidate and Donald Trump isn't or that she has a plan to, you know, try to help homeownership in this country or whatever. It was just like I was so impressed with Billy Goats out of trail.

She has a plan to get Billy Goats out of conjugal trailer.

Listen, do you understand illegal Billy Goats and the impact they're having on the housing stock in the part of Vermont where Mark Eshaw Jr. is, a.k.a. Bigfoot? Sure. This entire, I cannot tell you how much this segment is just me talking to our friend Phyllis Fletcher right now, Andrew, and maybe the one or two other Sternheads out there. But this is the last thing I have to say on this, and then we'll get to Andy Kapp. I was thinking of you when I listened to the beginning of this Howard Stern interview, because. and this is where now this is now this is a conversation maybe for you and i andrew because sometimes when we're trying to figure out what to do on this show i will i'll think about the listeners of tbtl and their experience and i'll think about it uh kind of based on my experience as a listener to that show because i have a certain idea of what you and i need to be doing and how we need to like come in with a bang etc but then i think about me as a listener to that program and how much i enjoy just their rambling around and like just the little petty arguments that break out and like the the very banal moments of that show i didn't know i was supposed to come

in with a bang can we redo the past 15 years in three two and one hi luke

so okay so just imagine this it is the sitting vice president of the united states ideally the next president of the united states every single word that this person utters at this moment with two weeks left in the race is just critically important you have them on your show what what music would you start with where would you start that interview and where would you start like the first interaction you're having with the sitting vice president of the united states

with the stakes this high where would you start things musically i mean mate rob zombie maybe i don't know are we starting with the theme song we're not starting with the theme song american

nightmare no we are starting andrew with the bat dance by prince oh yeah of course all of a sudden this was special programming they're not doing the show this week he just like did this interview so it wasn't it wasn't like the beginning of the show and then she's there but i mean that's the a good guess it's just the bat dance and then he just goes all right Howard Stern here. We have Kamala Harris here. I'm playing the bat dance because I know you like Prince. This is the best Prince record, right?

Okay, so that was a question I had because I had a feeling this was not just somebody in post grabbing a song off the shelf and throwing it in there. Because that's one of the things in my very limited exposure to the show. One of the things I like, even if I don't like the music Howard Stern is playing, I like his connection to it and that it's important to him. and that he sort of feels a bit like a DJ in that way. So he chose this song. This is part of, this is diegetic, as it were.

He believes that the Batman soundtrack is Prince's greatest work of music. Interesting. And listen, I'm here to tell you, the Bat Dance slaps. And I know it was a big part of your formative years.

Yeah, the whole record is good.

It is very good. I mean, you could argue that from a soundtrack standpoint, it's got to be up there. It is 100% not in the top five Prince songs, in my opinion, just in terms of how we think about Prince's music. I mean, you're not throwing Purple Rain down. You're not throwing down Let's Go Crazy. It's also very specific. It's so specific. It's such a weird—I can just see—what's the name of that weird henchman that I never know the name of?

Bob the Henchman?

I could just see Bob, like, cavorting around on a weird industrial set with his fedora on. And, like, things are—I've never seen the video for the bat dance, but for some reason I assume it's happening in, like, a grimy industrial warehouse where Prince is dancing around or something. Like, that's what comes to—it is the most, like, weird way to start the interview. And this is what's, I think, so great about our future president. Howard Stern. I'm going to just try to—I'm going to try to—I'm just going to try to name that and claim it. I'm going to try to speak that into existence. is she was like no absolutely not this is not the best prince right what are you talking about that's so great and then she just like proceeded to like have a totally legit conversation about the music of prince you know and like not one where it felt like not one where it was like someone had handed her like a like a three by five or whatever like a you know a card that was like these are the songs of prince like it was just like at every single you know she just she's a normal human who exists in the world who likes Prince, you know?

Well, I, first of all, I think that it's, it's in a certain way, like you have this, this relationship with Howard Stern, because you love the show, but you're also protective of it. And you were also annoyed by him all the time. It's almost familial to you at this point.

And I was exactly like being a TV cellist.

And like you mentioned, you're like, Oh, this would be like if Kamala Harris was on the, the Dan Labotard show. And when you said that before, I sort of winced actually, Ooh, I was like, I don't want to hear her on the Dan Levitard show like and that's a weird thing to say I'm not trying to diss that show I still listen to it a lot but it's almost like I've internalized it so much that like I listen to the Dan Levitard show but I'm also I think of don't put Dan next to Kamala Harris I'd be well that's how I felt when he was playing the bat dance right like oh don't don't

Good Lord, please do not sit my uncle next to my best friend from college. That is so cringy.

I was so mortified.

It's so much better. I mean, it's in a certain way. And I'm not saying that it was planned out, but I think it's brilliant to start with that. That is so much more interesting than just saying something like, isn't Purple Rain the best Prince album? And then maybe finding common ground there. It's so weird. I think it's brilliant.

Well, I'm glad. I mean, here we are talking about it, and, you know, I guess here's what it shows to me is, and this is my takeaway from this as a person who also hosts shows, is it doesn't have to be the, there's no universe in which that is the way that you start the interview with the vice president under any normal circumstances. Like any journalism school, any broadcasting school, anyone who's ever been behind a microphone other than that dude, Howard Stern, would never start the conversation that way. And what I admire about him or what I think is interesting is he does not feel the need to start big things or even his show with something that feels like you're being shot out of a cannon or you're coming out of the gate strong. and as a person who's terrible at coming out of the gate strong i admire that and i try to remember that because i will build again in our small version of this i will build up things to be like it's got to be perfect it's got to be you know i know that's would be shocking for the listeners to hear that that's like the way that i think about it but let's just say that you and i had some huge get we got somebody who was going to come beyond the show and they're like you know a person that we really admire or somebody that we think might drive some new listenership or whatever i'm not starting with the bat dance like i've got this whole maybe i'm writing a script or something or like let me give you another example if i can continue to so i haven't i haven't

convinced you that bat dance is actually so much better like i just imagine that imagine it was that he was right on about something and it was something more iconic then it's just sort of you start off with a sort of like late night tv show yeah i really like that record like if it's purple rain it's purple rain like what's interesting about that what's interesting is giving Kamala the chance to say no you're being ridiculous the bat dance is like part of a of you know like whatever she said but it's such a more interesting place to start the conversation than picking

something obvious I agree with you on that I mean I don't I didn't think about it yesterday but I agree with you on that but what I will say is he did not do this because it was a master stroke he believes that the batman soundtrack is the greatest work by prince and he just and he was like oh she likes prince well let's play the best prince music here's the bat dance like this is this is someone falling back assward into good content not like not sort of like in a cunning planning way being like let's move it off of the obvious hits and onto this other like he's not doing that he's just that's where he's very i'll be honest and this is he'll never hear this so we don't need to worry about it but it's like howard turns actually very trumpian in a way not in his politics thankfully but in his like there's a lot of times it's it ain't more complicated than what it looks like by the way they're this they're they're of similar ages trump is a decade older but they're of similar ages they both grew up in the sort of greater new york region yeah there's there's just a kind of personality there's a what you see is what you getness about it where it's like there's not a crazy those still waters do not run as deep as you might think a

lot of the time but it's what you know but again though what is the howard stern show in the same way people say what is what is tbtl about you're like i don't know i mean at the end of the day i don't say this because it's it's a weird thing to say but it's basically an extension of our personalities right like yes we do certain things we're trying we're trying to hit certain believe it or not broadcast beats or entertainment beats but mostly like what the show is is you're either into our personalities or you're not and that is basically true with with stern and that's why if he was a guy who would start with purple rain he might not be so successful he's a grade a weirdo and you know and that's why in in a certain way trump's a weirdo as well um yeah but yeah but i mean it's the fact that it's not overthought is also sort of brilliant yeah no

you're absolutely right that's a that's a that's a really good point we should get back to not overthinking this show yeah done and done so anyway i'm texting televisions chris hayes during the break so as to tell him the stern interview was good so what he's gonna like go quickly like uh he's gonna get the producer he's gonna be like rewrite my intro when we come back and now i'm

gonna say the stern interview was good yeah i didn't realize that you're interacting with the con like i've been interacting with the content it's so bad it's so bad accidentally like i'll Send them something like this is a good song or whatever. I want to be clear.

I was not drinking.

Yeah.

This was a decision that I made of a sober mind.

Although he's probably, did he respond? He's probably cool with it.

Oh, he was drunk off his ass. Yeah.

Yeah. He sent me, it was a long, long response. Okay. So anyway, back to our friend, television's Chris Hayes. Last night, we were texting around, the three of us, about a couple things, and you were mentioning that Genevieve was getting, was really whizzing some real smokers at you last night, was giving you a ration of grief in a funny way.

Well, I think Chris texted you and I about some Deshaun Watson slash Browns stuff, which we happened to talk about in yesterday's TBTL. We don't have to rehash here, but obviously Deshaun Watson is a real piece of work. I almost said something else. I'm trying to keep it clean, but piece of work somehow is not strong enough for what I'm trying to say. He's a terrible human being, but he's also terrible at football this season, and so there's a sort of glee in that, a painful glee maybe. So Chris sent you and I some clip of tape of a sports pundit who I did not recognize, by the way. I don't know who that person is.

I don't think they're particularly famous, but it's funny because I had actually seen that, as I also said to Chris, his TikTok feed and mine have reached synchronicity because it's just so funny that like, I don't know how many impressions or whatever that clip he sent us had, but I had seen that clip today. Like he and I are, and then there was another one too. We are so aligned. It's very weird.

And so anyway, he sent that around.

What I'm saying is I should be the backup host of that. Move over, Jen Psaki.

Oh, I love her. Is she the backup host of that show? I did not know that.

No, but she's now the Monday night thing. That is where the show used to be on Monday nights. I see. It's more of an Ali Velshi kind of situation, I think. We'll make it a Michael Steele in there. Can I just keep ticking through MSNBC luminaries?

Oh, God, I remember when Michael Steele was head of the RNC, right? Wasn't that his original role? Yeah, geez. Yeah. It just feels like just oceans of time, lifetimes ago. Anyway, so anyway, Genevieve was in the room while I was playing this.

I'm curious about how you're going to describe Genevieve's Deshaun Watson joke.

Yeah, I'm just going to say that Genevieve said something, you know, at the expense of Deshaun Watson that was, you know, pretty rough. It was just like some pretty rough words that she used to describe the entire situation. And I quoted that back to you guys.

And she was anti-Deshaun Watson? She was.

She appreciates him as a person but is disappointed in his skills on the field.

Can you separate the art from the artist?

Yes, exactly. No. So she had some harsh words that I quoted back to you guys. And Chris was like, whoa.

But made in a kind of a but in a in a in a sardonic, in a very sardonic way.

And so and Chris was like, whoa, that's that's rough or whatever. Laughy face. And I said, well, this is coming from the same woman who moments ago when I was listening to my John Coltrane record said, oh, finally, you found something that is worse sounding than the sound of your vacuum constantly. and or something along the lines of that to which you replied a live look in at into andrew's basement i believe and it was just a picture of the lock horns like sort of grumbling at each

other over dinner yes which by the way i mean in love you know i mean the i think most good relationships are based on a little gentle ribbing oh of course um but uh but yeah like uh so then i I submitted that, and then I feel like maybe what happened was I might have just had to go back to my, like, book reading that I was doing for Livewire. Somehow I sort of checked out of that conversation long enough that then it was only this morning that I looked back and saw what you had deployed, which I thought was really, really well done.

I feel like it was too much, honestly, but here's how it happened. And when anybody drops a Lockhorns reference, I immediately start thinking of Andy Kapp only because it sort of feels like I'll see your Lockhorns and I'll raise you an Andy Kapp. So, like, let's take, like, let's take, like, domestic grumbling and up the ante to alcoholism and, you know, quasi abuse. I believe that she's often beating up Andy Kapp, right? Is this physical violence, I believe?

Here's what I, this, I mean, amazingly, I think this has come up on the show before. Not the nature of their relationship, but the question of, is Andy Capp, is that British?

I think so, based on one of the things I stumbled on yesterday. Yes, exactly. He's always going to the pub. And so that's what happened. So I, you just dropped Lockhorn's image. And so I went online and I just looked up, I believe I looked Andy Capp and wife. I just wanted to, like, drop another image of those two in marital disharmony.

A comic book – sorry, a comic strip from our childhood era growing up that gave a really – it would explain why you're not married and I've had three – two failed marriages because of the modeling of things like the Lockhorns and Andy Kapp.

Exactly. And but the thing is, as I was looking for a photo, I found various like kind of not a photo, but an image, a drawing, you know, of like Andy Capp's wife leading him around roughly by the tie, but not in a sexy way. And so I found it like kind of a.

bunch of those but then if i scroll down a little bit further i found and i was literally while i was texting you guys i was drinking beer out of a pint glass and playing darts and i was taking oh you're back to darts i'm back to darts yes and i was playing some darts last night and um and what did i find but an image of andy cap his wife was not in this one so it didn't really serve my purpose but it was andy cap drinking from a pint glass throwing a dart i did not realize that darts so we're part of the Andy Kapp universe. But like you said, he's just like this, I don't know if he's English or Scottish or whatever, but he's got this very like, you know, English pub vibe about him. So it makes sense that he'd be playing darts. For people that don't know,

let's imagine a world in which we have one listener under the age of 70. Okay. As a thought experiment. Okay. Andy Kapp was this comic strip, and the guy is this little tiny dude with this big giant kind of green, not hunting cap, but like a hat that also looks like it might be from like the UK.

Yeah, like one of those golf cappy things. You always have a name for it.

Pulled down over his face. You never really see a lot of his face. And his two modes of being are like at the pub hiding from his wife or at home being yelled at by his wife. That's just kind of like that was the whole energy around the comic strip for all these years.

And it's a British comic strip. So we were right about that originally appearing in the Daily Mirror, in the Sunday Mirror, way back in 1957. So we were already getting like sort of like what I like to call second wave capy ism.

Hey, by the way, you did a show title the other day that I just saw that was had me laughing aloud. It was pain and pain and cable. But hold on. Second wave capy ism.

So anywho, so I found this photo, or again, he's not a real person, so it's not a photo, but I found this image of Andy Katt playing darts. And the similarities between me in that moment and this, it was like looking into a mirror, only not, you know? And so I wanted to send you guys the photo or the image of him playing darts, but it didn't really make sense in the context of what we were talking about, which was marital disharmony. So I believe I found a photo of him and his wife being like kind of grouchy towards each other. And I said, if you can't handle me at this, then you don't deserve me at. And then I posted the image of him playing darts. And that was it. But I felt like it was a bit much as I'm sending it. And I realized, like, I am sending this to two phones. These are four different texts. So I know that one person in New York where it was already like 11 o'clock at night and then one person in southern Washington where I share a time zone, I'm buzzing two phones four times in a row. Line of text, image, line of text, image. I'm also thinking you've got to slow it down a little bit because sometimes text messages, especially with images, will come in the wrong order. Oh, that's my greatest fear. And I'm like, if this appears on your guys' phones in the wrong order, it just whiffed a little bit of, yeah. I was worried that it whiffed of a little desperation from me, but I had to work in that Dart image.

As the reader, as the recipient, I should say, this morning I looked at it and I laughed. And I also was like, oh, wow, that is really on brand for Andrew. Like, the Dart thing is good.

Yes, I'll see if I can somehow. Now, I know that we're running into some copyright issues, but I'm assuming that their lawyers are also from 1958, and so maybe I can use some of those images.

Can we have AI draw an handicap?

Oh, you know what?

I mean, isn't that – that's actually one of the bigger threats. Forget about writing songs about country rock in the heart of Philly. Like, unfortunately, the AI art ripoffs in terms of visual art are, like, very effective because it's actually – you know, it's a more reproducible thing is my understanding.

I have some good news for you. I just went over to our YouTube studio page to see what the status of yesterday's show was. We apparently did not get dinged for the jib-jab version of Sia that we played on the show yesterday.

Okay, well, now we know. We can play any jib-jab we play. We're in the clear.

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Liz is one of the people who negged me one time when I texted her to follow up on something, and she said, I'm sorry, who is this?

Well, Liz was the person who famously, in the lore of TBTL, It helped us reunite our friend Katie with her purse, I believe.

And her house keys. And her house keys. Maybe more critically, the house keys. And her phone, maybe, as well. That was a wild adventure. It really was. Sorry to interrupt you on that. I just wanted to bring up Liz's negging one more time.

That's absolutely right. Liz, you get to because you're also supporting the show. You are allowed to. And also, Joey Banks in Columbus, Ohio, is allowed to neg us. I don't think Joey's going to hear this because Joey is out right now canvassing and doing what he can. Although, you know what? I'm showing you some real outdated political information, Andrew. I still think of Ohio as a swing state. It's not really a swing state these days.

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going to move into the true crime space because i promoted the story yesterday let's just give the story five minutes and then i want to tell you about my um online ordering experience and also about cleaning this rug that i'm on but just just so we can tick this off the list I thought this story was pretty crazy. It's about a UK doctor who has admitted to using poisoned fake COVID vaccine in an attempt to kill his mom's partner, who he was worried was going to inherit her home, which he, the son, was very keen on inheriting. His name is Thomas Kwan He's 53 years old This is a story by Leo Sands, by the way In the Washington Post What I was struck by was The incredible lengths This doctor went to I mean, putting aside the fact that Thou shalt not kill Isn't that weird that that's one of the commandments In the Bible, and the Bible has got so much killing I was wondering where you were I gotta say

I really had just no idea where you're going with that so much just like bullshit killing yeah not even like a good reason because like oh I'm sorry you blasphemed yeah it's like it's on the list or prove your loyalty to me or whatever who did God make kill his own son does he well he made him almost kills okay he pulls back at the last minute at the last second but he was ready to do it still though it's like thou shalt not kill that's gaslighting let's do a ton of killing

in this book but anyway uh yeah not only should somebody should you not try to kill somebody uh that's a given here but i mean the lengths that this guy went to it's pretty genius honestly oh goodness like it's it's it's it's all it feels to me like it would have been it could have been the perfect crime except for like one weird deet that we'll get to here so this guy first of all Did you happen to see the photograph of the disguise this guy wore?

Yes. To try to do this thing? This is, I will say right now, this is the wrong place to start this conversation. But you brought up the photo. Okay, fine.

And this is where my- The bat dance is in the top five.

Prince. I mean, Party Man? Track like five or six on that? I mean, don't sleep on that. All right. So this article, like a lot of kind of articles that are based on crime, at the very top are two large photos of the suspect. or we'll say the perpetrator the suspect i don't know where we are i think he pled guilty so we can call him the perpetrator um and one looks sort of like a a mug shot with him not uh in disguise because as you will get to in a moment um he he uses a disguise to to try to um get away with this murder um so it says here that the first photo is from an undated handout image making me think that law enforcement took this photo so it is like a mugshot but then next to it is the same man in full disguise with a i'm assuming fake beard fake mustache or a bearded mustache that he grew um temporarily for this very fake looking wig an incredibly fake looking wig like rick riz is like that's a fake wig uh no offense uh some offense um and then and then a pair of glasses and it does look like he changed his skin his skin tone somewhat my phone my question for you is where did this second photo come from and did the police force him to redress up for this mugshot question or did he did he take this before he went out criming because like i don't

understand like these and why did he take it in exactly the same manner as the non-criming exactly like a perfect side by side they're a perfect side by side so it looks like two

mugshots one in disguise and one and not and if they are two mugshots did the police have the right to force him to redon his weird disguise that looks like a disguise somebody would have used and again I'm going to try to keep this this reference kind of current in the tv show get smart this looks like such a get smart get up would you blame a loaf of bread um uh that's

such a great question Andrew I had I had not considered that it almost looks like the the The photo of him in disguise looks like something the police would come up with if they were searching for a suspect and they didn't. There were some CCTV footage of them. Yes. But that isn't really how this crime and the investigation unfolded, which gets back to your original question. What were the circumstances under which he was back in the disguise and being photographed? I can't answer that for you, but I can say that this was an elaborate, elaborate scheme that, again, I'm glad it was on. successful but if not for a couple of things or maybe one thing kind of might have been successful the one i mean so here's how it starts out he is actually a physician he's actually a doctor i should say he is apparently obsessed with this notion that his mother is going to give this house away to her partner instead of him and he does not want this to happen so he generates fake Paperwork That looks like it's from Officially the British government Or the local government or the hospital or whatever And he gets, he sends it To this partner of his mom Saying, and this, by the way This guy's, you know Let's see, how old is he? I think maybe in his 70s Yeah, the victim The victim is in his 70s So this guy Quan sends The victim this paperwork That looks like it's from the hospital Or the government saying hey you're due for another Like basically COVID vaccine So he creates the paperwork himself Which first of all like if you paid me a million dollars I wouldn't know how to do that Like I'd be like Photoshop I'd first start by googling Free Photoshop app iPhone Like I just I wouldn't even be able to do that part of it So he He creates this paperwork He sends it to the guy And the guy says Oh I think I'm supposed to get this shot but somehow he arranges this so that it's the kind of shot that they come out and give you at your house. So he then loads up this syringe with something that is not, obviously, the COVID vaccine. It is some sort of terrible thing that is flesh eating and that he thinks will kill this guy. He then puts on this costume, this disguise that we still don't know how they got the footage of he then goes apparently head to toe in ppp stuff so we're talking the full you know dustin hoffman and outbreak look which again is is kind of a stretch but it kind of like it kind of makes sense right it kind of works in you know in that there's even less of him that's visible so he's got the disguise on he's also got all this covering of his body which he shows up with If I remember right He drove a car That had stolen plates on it or something Like he didn't drive out the

I didn't remember that part of the story

I think he got there Somewhere in the article about How he got there also Making sure That it was not traceable back to him Like I don't know if it was that He took a rental car or he Took a car I guess my point is he really I mean the guy's a doctor He's sort of very smart in some ways And this is a very dumb decision And a very dangerous decision But I was noting that he really did Pretty much dot every I and cross every T So he goes out there He's in all this get up It's his mom And her boyfriend And he comes in And he does the shot And unfortunately It is very very damaging To this person, to the victim Who ends up, I think, losing an arm because of the effect of this part of his arm i believe it is not fatal thankfully and so this guy goes to the hospital and they're like what happened he's like i was getting my covid vaccine and they're like what covid vaccine and he goes back and he gets the stuff from the mail the paperwork shows it to them and they're like yeah this is not real and then they go in and they're like yeah definitely this is somebody setting you up and they're trying to figure out who might have been the one setting him up. And the reason that the suspicion turns to Dr. Thomas Kwan is because his mother noticed that the person in the disguise in the PPP giving the jab. And this is like a quote from the piece. She noted that the person was the same height as her son.

Yeah. My brain hung up on this. I'm like, maybe my brain just doesn't work in that way. but like a very specific height that's what you know that's what i was thinking like how i just want to be there as that part of the conversation unfolds right like oh right like what's going on in her mind guy about the height of my son kind of quiet not very talkative yeah yeah i think had a mustache on under his mask but i couldn't see like like 90 percent not 90

but like a significant percentage of the male population in this part of the uk he was roughly five nine and a half yeah right like i'm guessing this guy was in the fairly normal i don't know what that means but you know what i mean like i've never heard of someone identifying someone because they're like about the same height yeah if if if if becca dressed up in some getup like this and was doing some kind of criming and i noticed her and i couldn't make out any of her particular details because of like a fake mustache and hair extensions and god knows what i promise you her height would not be ringing any bells for me i do not view the world that way like the idea that the mom looked at this person and thought well that's a height i'm familiar with Maybe that's a mom thing. Maybe so. Do you think my mom knows how tall I am? No. Also, yes, you're right, Andrew. She does not. My mom thought that my—my mom to this day thinks that my eyes are brown, and I've been told they're actually kind of a hazel color.

I, for most of my adult— Well, those are shade. I mean, isn't that kind of— Is hazel greener? Is that what hazel is?

Hazel is greener than brown, and this is not something I'm— I am terrible with eye color. Yeah, me too. I don't know what anyone's eye color are, including my own.

I don't even know if people have eyes. I don't make very good eye contact. I assume nobody has eyes.

I, like, for the longest, my mom used to say, you have those brown eyes and that brown hair. And I was like, all right, I guess that's what I have. And then I was, some person I was dating or married to or about to be, I was like, yeah, well, I have brown eyes. And they're like, you don't have brown eyes. They're hazel. They're, like, kind of green. They're greener than they are brown. I was like, oh, okay. And then somebody else at some point later was like, wow you have this pretty i've noted your hazel eyes i've noted the color of your eyes being hazel it's come up a few times like unprompted to the point where i'm like okay that's definitely got to be whatever the color that my eyes are it's got to be something like more like that you know you're a cyclops too right that's not what mama told me it's notable anyway uh it's it's it is a very very bizarre story i am obviously we're very glad that the victim survived it is very strange to me that this was the this was kind of the thing that unraveled it in a way for him this is a guy who thought of everything you know and and again came up with an extremely an extreme if there was going to be a killing of this style that somebody could get away with this might have been it i mean he also luckily picked the wrong whatever chemical he used that was the wrong chemical um you know it was not as deadly as he thought it was going to be but like also do you think he's just he's now going to go to jail for a long long time as he should but i wonder if he's like if i would have worn boots yeah if i would have worn lifts in this ppp like he this guy must be like i thought of everything except my height in fact speaking of

thinking of everything i've been doing a little bit of googling around here and honestly just a little bit i have found the same story in the bbc and in the bbc they run the same photo of him in disguise but clearly like against a white wall like a you know like a very mugshot mugshot style photo and the caption of this article is much more helpful it says thomas kwan created a fake id using the name raj patel which included a picture of himself wearing a false beard mustache and wig so this was from his fake id that he created which again talk about going i mean talk

about detail he made also like i mean i'm sorry but like you know subcontinent face much yeah right changing you're you're pretending to be a different i guess would that be ethnicity than you actually

I could tell that he definitely changed his skin tone. I think I mentioned that earlier.

His hope clearly was that this would be attached to somebody who was not him and somebody who was not even actually in the same, I guess you could say, ethnic or racial group that he's in, you know, which is, yeah, it feels both, both, both, uh, both unnecessary and pretty racist.

It is a grisly story. And I will say, as I read this, it is fascinating. And like I said, I really latched onto that, that question about the photo. but I also don't have the stomach, I think, for too much of this kind of content, and I know that you want to use this as a way of sort of—

Are you opting out of the true crime genre?

Well, I want to have a successful podcast, obviously. As do I. So I was wondering if there are other— What if I start denying the efficacy of vaccines? What road can I carve out that will also bring us a—

I'll tell you what, this is from memory. That actually could also be a lane for us, Andrew, if you'd rather.

That's what I'm just—I'm exploring this.

Okay, let me point this out. this is a clear example of someone getting the jab and it going very badly for them so true i don't know can we trust these vaccines andrew that is a good point i love the way like

i mean there are going to be little bits of the pandemic i think that come back to us like little memories of that and and like there was a like people are not going to believe me when i say there were times in 2022 when a running back

would fumble a ball and hundreds of people would go to twitter and say he wouldn't have done that before he got the vaccine like there were literally like athletes making small mistakes and then people immediately saying see what happens when you get the jab like when you find a vaccine in

the alps that's right you know what i'm talking about right believe you me it will happen again if we ever have another public health epidemic like the only reason it's quieted down is because you know it's we're you know there's less social pressure around getting the vaccine speaking of which becca texted me yesterday she goes we need to engage in our love language and i said do you mean sex or shit talking the local public radio host and she was like neither we need to get the latest vax the latest booster um but uh but but yeah that will um to the question of like how we can grow this podcast and if you don't want to play in the true crime space and you do want to play in the anti-vax space there is definitely some evidence that that is also popular like i'm doing this from memory but like the the the really popular podcasts seem to be either just somebody retelling a story about a grisly murder with with very little like the thing i was struck by because i did this i was actually watching this on tiktok so it was a clip of each podcast like a video clip because that's the other thing we got to get more we got to get better at the video space if we're gonna really compete because each one of these podcasts they're a video podcast and an audio podcast and probably the audio is still like a huge portion of what they do but they've all got clips right so I was watching clips of these and they're either just a person just talking about a grisly crime that happened but again not like in a sort of you know Sarah Koenig we went to the where this crime happened and we're trying to solve it but more just like I read an article about, like, what we just did was almost a true crime podcast, you and I.

Yeah, I mean, I feel like you're a little bit late to this realization. And, you know, I won't even call him out by name because it's stupid for me to call him out and stupid for me not to call him out. But literally, one of the most popular podcasts where two women talk about crime. Oh, yeah, making a murderer. Like, yeah.

Yes, exactly. Listen, if we want to pick a fight with them, game on. we could only benefit from the attention that that show gets

every week no um you know murderinos what are we talking about here oh yeah that's the fans um what's that yeah yeah but what's the name of the what's the name of the podcast making a murderer

no no that's not my favorite murderer

my favorite my favorite murder yeah yeah i thought you were joking about making a murder no i was just misremembering the name of the show yeah yeah no no i'm talking about that one that's and i know that we have like crossover fans and people just love them and they love their personalities and like you know i can't defend why you like this show so again I honestly do not feel like it's like really a good look for me to say that show sucks. Having said that, for people who do subscribe to the notion that that show sucks, that seems to be the ding on it, that it's just it's not super well informed. Not that, again, I claim that for myself either on any topic, with the possible exception of things I know about Howard Stern through Luke and Phyllis telling me them that I'm an expert on. But aside from that, like, you know, they say that that show is just like there was there was not a lot of meat there. Either you liked the people or you didn't. But it was essentially scrolling through Wikipedia.

Well, yeah. I mean, I guess what I would say about that is and I haven't really listened to that program, but I will defend it a little bit to say it's it is about the it's it's about true crime in the way that our show is about Bissell deep cleaners. You know, it's just a jumping off point. if you like the people that host the show you hang with them but these ones are not even that i guess here's my point andrew the ones that are currently in the top 10 they're not even that they're not two people who are funny you know experienced performers chopping it up on some topic let's say it happens to be a true crime that happened which you could kind of wonder if that's from a topic standpoint the great if this isn't making the world better or not i don't know probably not i'm talking about just like a person just going and then she came into the room and And she opened the door, and she couldn't believe what she saw. Like, you know what I mean? It doesn't even have whatever the riffing qualities of that My Favorite Murderer show are. It doesn't even have that.

They're retelling it as a narrative.

They're retelling it like a story. I'm shocked that that is still burning up the charts. But then the other thing that seems to be burning up the charts is just right-wing bullshit. It's Tucker Carlson. It's some new guy. So the whole reason I saw this is because there's a new dude who's replaced Rogan. He's currently at the tippy top. And also on there is the Hakatua girl.

She's got a podcast now?

And you know what it's called, right? No. It's called the Talk.

to a podcast i'll bet you it's great people were so mad you know that she threw out the first pitch at a major league baseball game i can't remember which one it might have been one of the chicago teams and somebody good for her it might oh it could it have been the white socks maybe because everybody was so mad about the um you know mad about the season and everything but anyway i just heard a bunch of like uh i heard some bloviating on on talk radio about uh not being able to believe that uh that yeah it might have been it might have been mad dog russo in fact kind of screaming about why um she shouldn't be throwing out the first pitch i mean listen as a person who was

allowed to throw out a first pitch the standards are obviously what they are um i have no problem with the hawk to a slash talk to a gal that show is in the top 10 i think because if this still applies i don't know if it does anymore but it used to be the case that the way that you really You could rocket up the charts if you were a new show That got a bunch of attention Because the way that iTunes One of the ways that they rank the shows is Who's adding the most people this week So if you start out with zero people Subscribing and 20,000 people Subscribed you've had a massive Increase in your subscriber base If you have 5 million people subscribing and 20,000 people add on that week It might not be as big Of an improvement on paper Or whatever so it was always the case That if you were a new show That was getting a bunch of attention And adding a bunch of subscribers You would kind of zoom up to the top I think that's probably what's going on with Talk Tua But like, listen If it's Talk Tua versus someone just reading about a gruesome crime Into their webcam I don't know, I'd probably go with Talk Tua And then, the guy who's the number one at the moment I'd never heard of him It's like Sean O'Malley or something And like, I saw a clip of it And I was like what is this guy and then I googled it And I don't really know much about him except I saw it was like ex-Navy SEAL And I was like yeah that's not going to be for me

Like I don't know what

Maybe he's an ex-Navy SEAL who now advocates For Doctors Sans Frontier Probably But I'm guessing Not I'm guessing it's a lot more Black rifle coffee than I'm really Kind of like into in my personal life Yeah You know I would be surprised If there aren't some sort of supplements of some sort of newgenic supplements that are being pitched on that program. So, yeah, I don't know. I don't know. So, Andrew, basically it's either true crime or we've got to get a lot better at snipering.

Or maybe I just start asking questions.

Okay. Let's hit pause on the email and vmail continuum today andrew and let me just lay a couple of quick things on you all right um okay the first thing is i'm in the words of fred armison it tastes like soot and hot water i'm obsessed um i am so into this bissel cleaner that i purchased yeah uh that i used to clean the rug here in the madrona hill studio i'm going to send you pictures okay i want here's

So here's where we need to start this conversation, though. And by the way, I'm pretty sure that you do have what you describe as a steam cleaner. But I am curious because I had a little bit of a learning curve.

It's not a steam cleaner.

Okay, because I bought myself and I got obsessed when my friend and co-host on Spotless, Hannah Brooks Olson, had what we were calling a steam cleaner, like a little handheld one. But really, it's an extraction cleaner. It doesn't use steam. It, like, sprays down a substance, and you let it soak in a little bit, and then you vacuum it up. Is that what you have? Because they do make ones that actually steam.

You're absolutely right. I have an extraction cleaner.

Oh, okay.

Because it doesn't – and, in fact, I – the first – let's see here. I'm sending you a photo of a before and after. The – at – you know, when I first started out, I was reading the directions. It says put warm water in it. i think if there's any kind of heat it's got to come from the temperature of the water you're putting in the tank it's not it is not heating up the water it's not because you can see steam

because i was just like because i was looking when you mentioned at the beginning of the show i was very excited i still am but um you know they do make ones that actually steam and i'm i want one of those so badly not enough to like actually i mean it's a write-off you host a podcast about cleaning but that it makes but that podcast costs us money could it be a write-off I'm not exactly sure.

Well, you're not talking enough about hocking a Tua on it.

Exactly. How do you clean? Well, okay.

You got to give it that hock Tua.

So yours is an extraction cleaner. Mine is an extraction cleaner. You're combining some water and some sort of cleaning solution into a tank? Yes.

Okay, great. That's exactly what I'm doing. And I...

I want to say something about the before and after picture. The after picture is a little underwhelming, but it just has to do with some shadows and the light. And it's not like, and also what I really need to do now is the down. So I had this big coffee stain on here.

Yeah, that's rough. This photo where you captured the coffee stain, I don't remember it looking that rough when I saw it in person, but that's rough.

It's pretty rough. And I don't know, you know, what happened.

Better, right? Yeah, I'm looking. Sorry, that ooh for those following along at home is me looking at the after picture. after you've extraction cleaned this carpet. Didn't know you like to get wet, though.

It's a lot better, right? The outlines of the coffee stain are gone. Now what I need to do is take an afternoon and just go over the rug from just like the entirety of it from top to bottom. What I was kind of focused on was trying to get the stain out, and now what I need to do is literally just go over the entirety of it, you know, bit by bit so that it's all even, because now the problem is some of it's more clean than other parts.

Let me ask you about this, this cleaner, though, this vacuum. Is this like one that you can stand up like you have like I have a tiny little guy that is really made for like upholstery and spot cleaning. But then, you know, like I am never happy just spot cleaning something. So we have these like, you know, kind of area rugs or whatever on our hardwood upstairs. And so I will get down on my hands and knees and end up like kind of spot cleaning the entire thing from front to back. And I think, oh, we probably should have invested in just an actual vacuum that I can stand up and run. how is yours is yours like a tiny little no it's back breaking really you gotta get down on your hands and knees which is what i was doing okay me too yeah all right yeah no it's not it's not like

yeah it's not particularly it's not well designed for like doing large areas yeah um it also was like 60 i think it's literally one of these it's a prime deal now this is weird i saw it i bought it a couple weeks ago and it just was in the box i was just like waiting for a moment when i could really get to this and then of course like yesterday was like best prime day deals and it's a very specific it's like a kind of a kind of a not lime green but it's like a greenish bissel and i saw it i was like oh great i'm you know oh i guess i could is it like the little is

it called like the little green i know the little green egg is a grill but is it called like we might have the same we might be wishing upon the same extraction cleaner oh let me uh let me send

you a video of here's the other thing you'll get to see it in this video i then uh let's see here trying to find this you know what they i had to update the iphone app and i am a mess

because everything is different wait the iphone the entire like the ios system oh

And the majority of what I do on this phone is related to pictures. And this is just a camera for me, really, where I make videos and take pictures and things and then go try to find those videos and pictures later. And then not be able to find them. And they have changed this now. I'm sure they think for the better. But it is a nightmare trying to get to any of the photos. because and again this is what i always say about all kind of corporate changes i promise you there is some sort of money for apple at the end of all this rainbow like there's some way that it's like i've got to buy more storage space or i'm more somehow i'm more engaged with some bullshit of theirs because it is not intuitive it is not better for the ux what i mean is me so like if i want to just go in the olden days if i just wanted to go find a photo that i'm going to send you andrew i just go to my photos and i just let's say it was one i took yesterday i just go to the most recent one i can't do that anymore now it's like the photos are kind of in there but there's something called recent days now there's people in pets there's pin collections there's memories there's trips there's featured photos there's so much bullshit going on in my photo album now that is not helpful for me i do not want to find people in pets and don't do this to me what about the

mapping feature that uh our buddy bobby told you about uh that works i did i mean it worked to tell

me that i had not actually videoed the dry cleaner thing yeah the uh sad sound as i have a call now i'm going to send you a picture of this little bissel thing too i'm waiting i'm kind of doing some cross-referencing now i'll tell you also though i um uh when i it autocorrected it to biased it doesn't know what bissel is but it knows what my political takes are um the re this is kind of a weird photo of this little thing it's missing the um the uh the tank where all of the kind of dirty water goes because really what it is is a video i made for becca where i was dumping the dirty water out and it was yes a dirty yes it was it was very very very brown my friend and now this is a high traffic rug i come out here you know on a good week five times and talk to you and roll around you know on my rolling chair and i do live wire stuff i thought

I thought you were going to get down on all fours.

roll around on the carpet like I put I put down about ten thousand dollars and make myself an indecent proposal I roll around in it kind of how I get in the zone it's funny money but still it's still effective yeah but it gives me the sense of like you know the stakes of what we're doing but um uh but anyway now can you see this thing that I sent you I'm waiting oh here it is

um yeah that's the little green that's I mine is a different color but I believe the brand is called little green or like the model is called the little green and mine is very very very similar to this so it's um it's a little device that has a hose a vacuum hose coming off of it and then the handle these things are tough to clean now here's tough to clean well the device the device itself so here's i'm going to offer you some really good advice that you're not going to follow sitting at the feet of a master when so these have these i have one of these hannah has a version of one of these and some of our listeners on spotless do and so we've talked about them quite a bit um first of all do not leave the dirty water you will follow this advice because i believe in you i dumped the dirty water not ever leave the dirty water in there and think oh that's not taking up that much of the storage space i'll just um we got an absolute horror story from um and this is going to be gross from someone who used their little device like this to clean up after a roommate who had drinking too much and then got sick and then use this thing in the you know like in the moment at the during a party or whatever cleaned it up forgot about it and left it in there and apparently the stench was enough to call the epa out um to their house and have them the entire thing so make sure you keep it clean and also one of the ways to clean it out is when you're done with it and again this might be a step too far for you fill up your um the sink a little bit like stop up the sink a little bit and put a little bit of water in it and just dunk this whole like turn on the vacuum and just suck up a bunch of clean water into it it'll sort of flush out the system a little bit because some of these things and i have a new model where you cannot take apart the head the head that you're actually dragging across the carpet it's going to be picking up more and more threads and just all kinds of stuff that gets stuck up there and early models you could pop it apart and clean out the inside and this there's no good way to clean out the inside it drives me bananas but this flushing mechanism is one way to sort of deal with it

okay this is good can i use it on upholstery yes i think these are made for upholstery mostly okay good because i've got this couch from crate and barrel that i really love it's and it's kind of a like a great lounging couch in my living room but what i've noticed is one i must eat on there more than i thought because you can definitely tell where i hang out on the couch there's a couple little spots of like that was a bad decision and andrew sometimes my balding powder these little residue on the pillow oh i see if you're laying down on it yeah if i'm laying like although i try to be careful about that but anyway i uh i bought this hoping that i could use it mostly for this rug but then also to kind of address you know that area of the couch and it sounds like that's kind of what the whole design is for now do you buy do you purchase the bissel branded cleaning they give me a sample size yes i buy it and i buy the pet i mean i don't

know if there's really a difference but there's some that is marketed towards pet owners so we

by the pet you know okay so that's i'm very happy with this um it's uh it's sad what my motivations are andrew which is that i'm going to be filming a little something here in the coming few days for cbs i'm interviewing a professor in texas and um we're not going to fly all the way down there we're going to do kind of a zoom interview they're going to send a crew to the guy in texas and my friend and cbs producer anthony is going to come out here we're going to set up a couple

little cameras and i was like he cannot see this oh no the rug the rug is fine for andrew and john

but not anthony it wasn't you know what it was i went i went nose blind to it andrew it literally like it didn't and you know me i'm pretty fastidious like you've been like actually i don't know if you ever went in my house when you were yeah you gave me a little tour but you like you want to take the tour yeah you want the tour i'm good but like you know me i'm a pretty i'm pretty fastidious i'm also very worried about people's perception of me like it's weird to me that i wasn't seeing how bad that stain was like yeah because i i was really hoping that things here at the madrona hill studio would be relatively put together when you and john came over and yet that was just there so anyway i needed to get that out of here before anthony uh shows up and so i did i'm happy with that what i'm less happy with from a consumer standpoint is um i hope this is not a trend i ordered a jacket like a kind of a something in between a blazer and a chore coat thing whatever from a company called quaker marine supply and uh you're really leaning

The Quaker.

What's that? It's honest. Honestly, something really resonated for me when we were there at the Friends Center in Philly. And I ordered this jacket, and they're sending it. And then luckily they send me a receipt in the email, and I look at the receipt. Let me see if I can actually find this. I look at the receipt, and there is a charge for $10. Let's see. I've got the order number here. oh here it is there is a charge that i did not ever sign up for for like 10 and 20 cents for shipping insurance not the shipping insurance on the shipping and i was like i i emailed them and i said uh hi i ordered a jacket from your company but i never intentionally ordered insurance for the delivery um uh i'm being charged 1068 for this can you remove from the bill and this is what reed from quaker marine says do we think reed is a real person or maybe a bot um we have route shipping protection on orders more than 300 in case of theft or damage this covers the seller and the customer by declining package protection quaker marine supply is not responsible for any lost damage or stolen items i'm happy to refund you on the shipping protection but please be aware of the above disclaimer let me know your thoughts my thoughts are bish give me my 1068 but also this feels like a symptom of our of the of the economy we now live in where we're all at least me getting things delivered constantly sometimes they get here sometimes they don't sometimes I go to the wrong address. I've always been wondering, and we've talked about on this show, like, how does it math out for so many of these things to get shipped to you? And then maybe somebody in the apartment next door takes it by accident or gets lost in the mail room or whatever. And then you email them and you're like, it didn't show up. And they're like, no problem. Like I had to happen with Home Depot. There was some door they thought they delivered and just went to the wrong address. And they were like, well, okay, no, no sweat. Like someone has that door like i was like this is not sustainable and it turns out it wasn't what they're now going to start doing is making you buy insurance for it so that because if it goes missing and you didn't pay for the insurance they ain't fixing it for you yeah it sort of seems like they should

pay for the insurance because they're the ones who are i mean unless it does get swiped off of your porch i feel like at that point it is your responsibility like with amazon in particular And honestly, I don't know what and what I don't know how to say animazon. I don't know what Jeff Bezos and animazon. If only I can remember my dingus password for my email. I I don't know how their profitability breaks down by service. You know, for the longest time, the story of Amazon was that they weren't actually a profitable business. They were incredibly successful business by a lot of measures, but not profitable because they just kept on pouring more and more money into their various innovations and new lines of business. I don't know where that stands in 2024. That's probably a pretty outdated thing for me to say. But as far as their actual like Amazon Prime services, as far as delivery is concerned and all the protections and everybody says, you know, you order something if it's under a certain dollar amount and you just don't even like it. and you go to return it, they say, you know what, don't worry your pretty little head about it. You just keep it. It's not in anybody's best interest to send that back to us. Like, you know, I don't know how that all shakes out for the bottom line right now, but I do feel like they're a big enough company that they can absorb it. When you're dealing with a smaller, more boutique company like the one you're dealing with, I understand that's a risk. I mean, run by Quakers. And run by Quakers. But I, by the way, I always, I sort of, I don't know why, it doesn't make a lot of sense. i really wanted to name that philly show quaken not stirred um but it didn't ever really kind of

come together but only i would have been having a martini on stage yes we would have had a really

chenevieve often accuses me of coming up with the pun first and then reverse engineering the product or the concept but um anyway uh like i think amazon is smart by taking photos like hey listen we delivered this to your door here's the photo if you recognize your front door that's good if we delivered it to the wrong place well then that is on us but i do understand that like listen we're a company we did everything in our power to make this right and we left it on your porch that is the end of the line for us the rest is your responsibility as far as it being stolen off your porch or something having said that i've never had well i shouldn't say i've never had anything stolen but it's very very rare what i've had much more frequently is the seller making a mistake of some sort and sending it to the wrong address and that

Or hiring a company, whether it's UPS or whatever, and them dropping it off on the wrong doorstep. That is not something that I should have to be paying to insure. That's their problem.

It's an offloading of the cost to us, the consumer, in a way. It's like what they should probably do if they were smart is charge $10.68 more for the item and then build it into their business model like they're getting the insurance for it from whomever. Like, this idea that, like, it's like, okay, it's a pretty nice green herringbone coat you're getting, Mr. Burbank. Be a real shame if something happened to it. But over here is this $10.68 of insurance that you can get. Also, I mean, I guess this isn't anything new. The airlines are doing this constantly, too, which is also the weirdest thing to me. Like, well, not always. Really?

I mean, I think it's travel insurance. As long as I've ever been, because I always say no to it, but like that's where I still always feel like a child, like getting my airline tickets because I'm still the same person who I was buying them back in the early 2000s when I was much broker and much less experienced. But there's always that last box that's kind of like, now do you want to insure this so that if you have to cancel for any reason, like you're not going to get your money back?

That's weird. My sense of that is that that's in the last 15 years, like invention, the idea of travel insurance. Maybe not. I don't know. I'm trying to think of what my journey with that has been as far as how, let's say 20 years ago, I would have been 28. I guess maybe also I wasn't actually buying a lot of my own tickets. Literally in those days, if I had to travel for NPR, I would have to call someone and be like, can you please book these tickets for me? And then they would do it or something.

We're negotiating about a pretty small period of time here. I'm talking about like 2002 or something like that, or 2001, which is, you know, 24 years ago, and you're saying about 20 years, so yeah.

I guess I just mean in my adult life, I feel like in my, and I think we're kind of saying the same thing, in my adult life, I feel like there was a period of time before I saw that, and then a period of time after which I started seeing it. But it's a thing, by the way, I always decline that. You know what I weirdly didn't decline the other day, and I don't know what this says about me? i'm gonna do the um the seattle half marathon on the sunday right after thanksgiving and again it's funny because i'll buy like a expensive airplane ticket and they'll say would you like to insure this for two dollars i'm like what's wrong with you out of here with that but they offer you insurance on your entry fee for the marathon slash half marathon so it's like 130 bucks or something 150 bucks to register for the race and then like 12 bucks to like have to have it sort of allegedly insured in case i guess you get injured or something happens there's a big rainstorm whatever and i don't know why i took the insurance i was like

maybe i won't feel like it yeah because it's not because you're paying less for this than i am paying way less for this than an airline ticket but you're like well i'm not gonna i'm not gonna not go to vegas or i'm not gonna not go on this i guess so i guess i have more faith in me getting

on a plane in three months than i do with me running a half marathon yeah although you have

never backed down like i've never unless you're like signing up for a whole bunch of races that i don't know about and then you're not telling me because you plan on backing down compulsion like you never do that would be that would be no i i think i i mean i don't do that many of

these kinds of races i'm i'm trying to also do it as a little bit of a um kind of a that'll be the end of me trying to do this project of of 75 hard ish which again heavy emphasis on the ish i'm just all i'm really doing is running further than i normally do and trying to drink too much water and and be a little healthier with my food it's it bears almost no reason it does it's a game of telephone now from day one when i was describing the rules of this thing on the show to what my life looks like right now but i did think it would be kind of fun to do this little half marathon in seattle as a way of kind of charting some like personal progress and it times out pretty well because i think the end of this little thing i'm trying to do falls roughly around then so and becca's going to run it with me i mean thing is becca can can and often does the distance of a half marathon just casually as her exercise which is like i can't conceive of that lifestyle but um so i'm to me it's like i'm gonna do a half marathon i better start getting in the zone for this now for her it's like she literally could wake up on a morning and be like oh okay yeah

well let's make it a 13 mile and then she can put one of those little round stickers on the

back of her car that says 13 she's it's been covered in them you can't even see you don't even know it's a toyota for a toyota rav4 because it's so covered in those stickers i have one of

those on the back of mine only it says absolutely nothing I just really like egg um it's hers has got a stick figure family but then it's also got a dinosaur eating it that says no one cares about your stick figure family it's a real it's very contradictory the back of her back of her car but anyway so what i'm trying to say now andrew is we as a community have a lot riding on this quaker marine supply jacket getting here successfully yeah because it wasn't cheap

You wrote to specifically decline it before it was delivered. Oh, you know what? I told Reed I'm going to live dangerously. I had this wrong. I thought it was delivered, and then you were saying, please take this off.

I mean, they'll offer that deal. I'll take it every day and twice on Sunday. No, I'm flying without a net here, my friend. And it's also, here's the other thing. I have a suspicion. I've started doing this more, and it's not a way of living that I feel good about or am proud of. and I need to correct it, but I have been in the mode of ordering more things from in the clothing, in the clothing space, and figuring if they don't fit, I will just take them to the UPS store in town and mail them back. Like, I've kind of gotten into the system of printing out return labels. I just add it to my list of errands on a particular day. Like, I've gotten far too comfortable. I used to, I would never buy something online that was clothing because of my fear around it not fitting and just being like that's craziness why would i do that and now i've gotten kind of used to like yeah well if it doesn't fit it doesn't fit i'll just take it back which is bad because i'm gonna get all anecdotal on you andrew and no i get the relatability thing but the problem with that is one it's just bad for the environment it just creates more waste and carbon footprint and everything that is is already happening too much um and also some of these companies are kind of less than friendly now about their return there's a restock fee or there's a like and it's usually in the fine print and what i can tell you is this jacket that i ordered was a bit of an impulse i thought it looked nice on the person wearing it on the website which is by design and my thought was well if i and i also i didn't know if i need to order in a large or a medium, because again, everybody is different in terms of how they make their stuff. And so I thought, well, if it doesn't fit quite right, or if I don't quite like the look of it, I will simply return it. But considering these are the people trying to charge me an extra fee for safe delivery of the thing, we shall see what their return sitch is if I need to. I have a feeling it might be less than free and easy. It might be like, well, yeah, but we're charging a 20%

restock fee we are quakers after all you know what i'm excited about i have something heading my way that i bought online and let me tell you a little bit about this journey because i was expecting something else to happen which ended up not happening um so that's the end of the story let me back up here um so i have a bunch of um records right like most of my life i've had like a kind of a like literally kind of a crate like a milk crate-esque thing um full of records uh like vinyl records but i've always had pretty junky record players like i think i collected a lot of these just from like i don't know a lot of them go back to high school when i would go to a yard sale or something i'd grab a couple and then that that habit sort of continued through my adulthood like i find myself at a flea market okay i'll look at the records hey this is kind of goofy i'll grab this one you end up with a lot of herb albert that way or or various things that you know some of it is like absolute garbage yeah and some of it is kind of like you know i like the love and spoonful do i need two john sebastian solo records probably not but also they're a nickel a piece whatever so you get them and you end up with the collection that i have which is like music i mostly like but quirky and not really you know representative of what i probably want to listen to on most days but now that i have like kind of a nicer record player that i use on the reg in our little dart area here like it's been i've been straining the sort of boundaries of my record collection as far as like finding stuff that i actually want to listen to not just something that i picked up for almost free in you know 1999 or whatever so i'm um buying more records these days which means the whole situation is getting a little bit out of control my my my crate that i keep them in is too full um and so it's hard to flip through them i have a bunch of 45s or seven inches um that again i've just sort of collected through the years one of them goes back to like before i was born uh my parents had a copy of the the 12 days of cleveland brown's christmas uh as a seven inch i can play that for you sometime two other things that said like indie bands that i would follow in the 90s and then if i was at their show i would buy their seven inch or whatever so i have a bunch of those and those are the things again like our parents generation We'll be right back.

have called them 45s and I have those just sort of floating around and they're kind of unmanageable and I was like this is the like we need to figure out a bigger solution for my 33s right like for the for the bigger standard 12 inch records or whatever they are but like we're Genevieve and I are talking about you know furniture options for storage as the record collection grows or what have you we need to do something with this space down here anyway but these 45s I'm like I just want one of those classic retro looking little little record holders the one that i grew up with that my mom had when she was a kid i don't know where that one is anymore but i'm sure with the popularity of vinyl these days a million people are making retro looking but new little record carrying carrying cases right you'd imagine there's a million of those out there but when i did some very you know i'm not i just don't like shopping that much i end up getting like even online i just get impatient and i just buy something too quickly um but i thought there would be way too many options for me but really the market has really dried up on carrying cases for for like um seven inch records unless you want something that has absolutely no style whatsoever and is like purely just for like um practical reasons but i wanted something a little bit cute and so like ebay was recommending a bunch of like used ones actually from the 60s and 70s but i was like in this case while i do like retro things i want something that is brand new and clean but just in the style of that and i could literally only find one vendor that was sort of selling this thing and my expectation was i shouldn't buy this right away because now that i've looked for it my instagram ads are going to be filled with this i feel like that is what instagram ads are for showing me a million seven inch record carrying cases that i should have bought before i hit go on the first one i saw you know um but that has not been the case i bought this one and it's from daptone records that is the only i don't know if you're googling over there right now but of course uh over there in in brooklyn right daptone records so i think so

I've definitely heard of them.

Yeah, and I think it's Daptone Records, and that's the home of the-

Wasn't that where Sharon Jones?

Exactly, yeah. And so anyway- RIP. That will be- Yeah, right. God, I forgot about that. But anyway, so I did buy this little record-carrying case, and it should be here either by the end of the day today or the end of the day tomorrow. I don't know if that story went anywhere. I'm very excited to have it, although I am really, really shocked that Instagram- And I'm almost disappointed that Instagram wasn't like, oh, you're looking for a record-carrying case? We have a million cutesy little stores that are selling that.

I mean, the whole story of maybe, you know what part of it is, I bet, is that these are, oh, wait, no, these are regular-sized records, right?

No, I'm looking for one for the 7-inch style, the 45, the smaller ones, yeah.

Because I wonder if, like, for all the discussion of, like, vinyl and the way in which vinyl—I mean, there was this crazy story where, like, Travis Scott and Sabrina Carpenter were vying for, like, top billing on the, like, you know, who had the biggest album of the week. And what ended up Putting him eventually She had taken it one week And what had put him over the top The following week was He had released a bunch of special vinyl From his Like the same album But like vinyl versions On his website And people were buying it And that was like Juicing the numbers or whatever But like For all the talk around How vinyl has been Surprisingly popular And has It's like the only Physical Kind of music media That people are buying I wonder how much of that's 45s really

Yeah, very little, probably, because, you know, that's one song per side in most cases.

I mean, where are you going to put your Brimful of Asha, though? Right.

Exactly. Yes, we got there.

Corner Shop reference, my friend.

Oh, that's right, because the video, is it the album cover, or is it the video shows, like, a teenage girl, like, listening to her 45s with that cute little record holder?

When I Was Born for the Seventh Time, is that the name of that record? I used to love that record, by the way. Corner Shop? Mm-hmm. Ooh, that's a, maybe I can put that in as my Music for Your Weekend, and I can properly attribute it. because I got an email from someone saying my little note in the newsletter was wrong last week about the song that I was recommending. As always, Andrew, it was written by Bob Dylan. Right, right, right. How have I... I've been burned by that exact series of events roughly a million times. Let me see if I can find...

The song was Baby Blue by them, right?

It was the version done by Van Morrison's band, Them, which I think first hit my radar because the beginning of that song is sampled but in a Beck song that I really like. And one day I was figuring out the origin of the Beck sample and then it got me to that song. And then my brain just interpreted that as, oh, this is a Van Morrison and Them song. But let me see if I'm trying to find... Somebody corrected me. very nicely in the emails they said something like you must be getting this a bunch and the answer was no you're the only person who figured this out so let's see it was Ryan

thanks Ryan it's all over now baby blue Bob Dylan wrote it it's an amazing song for sure and Dylan used it to epically own Donovan in the documentary Don't Look Back that's right I know that story because I like Donovan I've never seen Don't Look Back but yeah I think Donovan gets sort of pwned by Musically pwned by Bob Dylan In that movie

I can't believe And by the way my little dumb write up On the song was basically saying The lyrics of this song in no way conform With Van Morrison's behavior in the world And of course that actually makes sense Because he didn't write it Anytime I'm even A little bit unclear On a song's origin I just need to know it's Bob Dylan

Yeah right exactly

Alright well I guess that's probably enough show for one day

I'm going to play this song by Bob Dylan to get us out of here

please play brown eyed girl alright that's going to do it for today's show but guess what we'll be back here tomorrow more imaginary radio for you so please do join us for that in the meantime have a great Wednesday take care of yourselves construction guys we're supposed to be here at 9am today Andrew what happened to the Dufresnes It's already noon. Is anybody looking for the Dufresnes? All right. We'll see you tomorrow. Please remember, no mountain too tall. And good luck to all.

Hey, La.

Hey. Yeah.

Is this something?

Yeah, congratulations.

Thank you.

That's wonderful.

We're so happy here. It's a beautiful house.

We sure are. So come on, I'll give you the tour. You know what? That's okay. I get it. What do you mean? Well, you know, it's bedrooms, bathrooms. I-I-I get it. I see it. It's beautiful. It's great. You don't want a tour? Eh, you don't need to walk me around that.

All right, get the out of my house, okay, Larry? Just get the out right now!

All right, fine. I'll take the house tour.

No, no, I'm done. I'm over it. I'm turned off. Leave. Get the out, okay? Freak of nature doesn't want a house tour. Susie, I'll take the house tour. No, no. No tour for you.

I will have lunch tomorrow Power out