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Well, all right, hello, good morning, and welcome everyone to a Thursday edition of TBTL, the show that just might be too beautiful to live.

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My name is Luke Burbank. I am your host. You think you just fell out of a coconut tree? coming to you from 46th street and broadway in new york city peering out over time square and my i don't know right now it's been like once every maybe three or four months check in on what the music companies are really pushing because when i'm in new york of late i've been staying uh here in time square and there are Just these giant digital reader boards everywhere. And I will tell you, Glorilla and Jelly Roll are being heavily marketed to the visitors to Times Square right now. I'm staring at a giant five-story high picture of old Jelly Roll, our buddy Jelly Roll. I am going to do my absolute best to make it through episode 4,317 in a collector series. let the fun begin but i'm not going to lie to you this is a show that is really it's about transparency it's about honesty it's about number two problems i decided to eat some new york city street food uh last night on a whim and um be careful though it's spicy i think there was a communication breakdown between me and the nice young man inside the food cart just around the corner from my hotel let's just say it was too spicy and i'm i'm touch and go here but we're going to do our very best to make it through the show speaking of touching and going i had the quite the trip trying to get out here in the middle of the night in the wee small hours of the morning getting out here to new york city oh and the adventure begins again and getting to my cbs television shoot which is something i was worried about on yesterday's episode of the show it did end up with me furiously changing in a hotel lobby bathroom with someone speaking of bathroom issues for me a bathroom is just a library with a cold seat something going on next to me in the stall anyway we'll get into that too oh it's a thursday aka blurs day so we'll do the blurs day messages and we'll talk to this guy longest running co-bro of the show may be best known for his depictions of the tall ships i had to we had a tbtb meeting yesterday he and john sklaroff and i and i had to put an end to some of the bs he's been bringing on the show lately this is malicious fecal distribution so i think he is really really going to be bringing his a game here he is andrew walsh and he's joining me right now good morning my friend well i'll tell

you this right at the top of the show luke um i'm not gonna have any bathroom issues during the show today that i know of nothing seems to be on the horizon i didn't even eat anything that bizarre yesterday but late last night more like early this morning starting around five this morning my stomach was making the loudest noises it's ever made is this true that stomachs get louder as they get older it's i know that i use this i think it's called old guy stomach it was bananas it's like old guy knee it's like because like my i had an old cat theo and the older he got the louder he got and i'm wondering if is this the trend with my stomach because i didn't feel like it didn't feel upset nothing felt wrong it didn't feel like i had to rush into the bathroom i'm just laying there i kind of woke up i don't know like too early and i'm trying to get back to sleep i'm doing this thing now where i'm where i'm listing um sitcom tv shows in alphabetical order, you know, like starting with L. This is your way of falling asleep? Yeah, yeah, I'm up to the N's. I can't think of a sitcom that begins with an N. Okay, hold on.

At the risk of us doing this for the rest of the show, which has happened.

I always do this. I always do this.

I know, but it's fun for me. Maybe not so much the listeners, but I enjoy it.

I love it, man. I would start every show this way if I didn't worry about ratings.

Explain to me the new project.

So the new project is, so usually I just pick some sort of random topic and I try to think of something, one object from that category in alphabetical order. So right now I'm doing sitcoms. So I was like, well, what's a sitcom that begins with A? I mean, I started this like three weeks ago or two weeks ago. I'm like, well, I guess all in the family. Or if you want to be a little bit more modern about it, I guess you could go with ALF. But you got your A. I'm in my Shumway era. Sure. And then, again, keeping it modern, I would put Benson in there as a possible B, because that's a sitcom. But I'm being strict. By the way, when I got to the M's, I wasn't counting Moonlighting. What about Maud? Maud is what I ended up with this morning. Where's my bell? Exactly. So I've gone A through M.

Mork and Mindy.

Mork and Mindy's a really good one.

Nanu, Nanu. Speaking of current references.

Speaking of, oh, man. You know, I wonder if it's been long enough that we can now, can we um co-opt nanu nano in shazbot you know it's in the public domain much like the name del minikos as i learned yesterday steamboat nanu nanu is uh that's a show tale steamboat

nanu nanu i mean i see so much fashion oh gosh andrew it's these i i want to apologize in advance these these shows are always chaotic when i'm in new york because i'm just looking at so much visual stimuli and it just is popping off in my brain and sending me in so many different directions okay remind me to come back and talk about sydney sweeney in uh the ray-ban glasses that are also you know outfitted with cameras okay which is something that's on one of these big you know rotating digital buildings um the thing about shazbot and nanu nanu and the whole sort of idea of mork and mindy is or the thought i have around it is when will that look come back i'm talking the morgue look the like rainbow suspenders the red shirt because was that ever

there are to come back or was that just one guy on tv well i guess i guess the reason i'm thinking

about is because as i look out on these digital screens and see various musical artists that i'm not familiar with and the way that they are dressed in the promotional photos it's it's jenco jeans and puka shell necklaces and like it's just this look that i remember you know from maybe when i was in high school that to be honest with you I thought looked kind of silly then as I think it looks a little silly now but stuff you know fashion is so cyclical and kind of vibes are so cyclical I'm just wondering when is going when is the Mork and Mindy I don't know when are we going to get back into and the way people got into Golden Girls in the way that things that are just sort of like old dusty pieces of pop culture history get randomly dusted off and become a thing to people who had no familiarity with him when they first existed because they weren't born yet. I'm just wondering if we'll ever see a Shazbot Nanu Nanu Mork from Ork reclamation movement.

Well, that's what I'm saying. I'm inviting you to enter this world with me. Exactly. Can I speak out finally? Can I break my silence on modern fashion, Luke? Because this is what the people want. By the way, not only did we start the show a little bit earlier than usual today, I'm also decaffeinated. I don't have a coffee here. I have not had any coffee today. so my apologies whoa well yeah i know i'm just uh whatever the opposite of bouncing off the walls

is i'm sinking into the carpet i'll be i'll be hyper for both of us i'm on like coffee number three which another obsession i have now are these this thing called the m lounge they have at marriott's that like i've never been going to because i just thought i don't know i you know they give you that whole spiel when you check into the hotel it's parodied very well on portlandia where they're just giving you all this info about like where the elevators are and what time breakfast is. And usually it's it's information that I feel like I just don't I want to just get to the room and, you know, kick off my shoes and get comfy. And so for years when I'm staying at different Marriott's, they'll go and you have you have access, of course, to the M Lounge. And I'm always like M Lounge, Shmem Lounge. Well, when Becca and I were in Paris, we were staying at a Marriott and they were like, you have access to the M Lounge. And we're like, all right, let's go check it out. it was so great for just these little basics it's got coffee 24 hours a day it's got unlimited bottles of water in the refrigerator it's got cans of diet pepsi etc all these little things that if you were to buy them in the room or from the gift shop or whatever are like way overpriced and just a hassle to deal with or hard to find or whatever

All the little things that you kind of wish you had in a hotel because you might have them in your house, but you don't want to take them out of the minibar or go to, like, a store and buy them. They're all in this joint called the M Lounge. And so, anyway, I've been down. As you can tell, I've had a lot of coffee from the M Lounge this morning.

Oh, I'm jealous. I'll be hyper for both of us. I wish I could just smell your coffee breath. I mean, if only I could just get a whiff of that.

Hold on. Put your nose right up to your earphones.

Okay. Oh, that's more than coffee. Oh, be careful what you wish for, folks.

They've also got an open bar, Andrew.

Oh, they apparently also have an open sardine bar. What the hell is going on in there?

I am, actually. I'm talking to various physicians about that, Andrew. We're trying to get to the root of the problem.

I got old man gut. You got fish mouth. That's not nonu nonu. So let's see. I was going to weigh in on fashion, which is something that a lot of people want me to talk about because first of all i because of the way i dress and present um a lot of people are like well what are your thoughts because

you're so fashionable people are often asking you okay tell us about your fit right and you're like okay you're like the pants are heger from value village i thrifted them the shirt is you know

where do you get your shirts from these days oh i don't know um i let's see here maybe i have several untuckets i gotta i'm looking into this jc penny brand that i'm looking to bring back from the fringes of society well actually speaking uh thereof um you know nobody obviously nobody cares what i think about fashion especially and often when we talk about fashion not exclusively of course but often um it's through the lens of women's fashion as well which people certainly don't need my goddamn opinions on women can wear whatever the heck they want obviously but I do have my thoughts. Ladies know their stuff

when it comes to their fashion, Andrew.

Well, you know, I have an Andy Rooney drop that I think is very appropriate for this moment. If you'll just give me one

second. Now, is it real Andy Rooney or is it

AI Andy Rooney? Believe it or not, I'll tell you what. How about I play it for you and you tell me if you think it's real or AI. This is the drop here. Don't do this to me, Windows. Just play it. It's my opinion

that a great many women have one thing in common. They spend too much time and money fooling around with their hair now do you think that's ai or real andy rooney could ai

be that anti-woman is i believe they have put certain guardrails on ai to try to curb hate speech exactly right the irony being andy rooney needed to spend so much more time and money on

his hair probably yeah he's probably gluing it on he just didn't look he just didn't look i asked

the guy yesterday when i went to delmonico's this very fancy restaurant in new york city where they were making baked alaska for us that's kind of the place that popularized it it was the first real high-end restaurant in uh we're getting back to fashion don't worry but i asked the guy very the owner of the restaurant as we're sitting there in this very beautiful dining room if anyone's toupee ever catches on fire when they're lighting the baked alaska yeah he seemed unamused

thinking about the clientele there yeah i know i was like i was like you got a lot of you got a lot

of old rich dudes you got a lot of ice cream being lit on fire sounds like a recipe for disaster and he goes we're very careful with the fires at the table he was not and he was uh that probably won't

get in the piece unlike me he was not willing to weigh in on the fashion choices of some of his

clients the hair fashion choices of some of the patrons but obviously i'm a child of the uh i'm a

child of the 90s and i loved i kind of loved growing up in the 90s i loved all the baggy clothes i love the wide the wide jeans i mean some people in the 90s there's a bit of a 70s sort of um uh you know kind of throwback look so people were some a lot of my friends were wearing straight up bell bottoms but also just like the general like in a boot cut look or or i mean i i was not a janko person but generally speaking i like kind of baggy clothes and that whole thing um and when i moved to los angeles i found that los angeles is probably i don't know I'm totally going with my gut here I don't have scientific proof of this Oh I can hear it, believe me It was so loud this morning It's calmed down now But my goodness But when I was in Los Angeles I got the impression that Los Angeles fashion Might be one or two years ahead Of maybe other places in the country I assume there's Yes, absolutely And LA was in the midst of a fashion trend that I personally didn't like and again for me to speak out on this is ridiculous Genevieve and I guess I'm caveating this so much because whenever this would come up Genevieve would just hate it so much because I'm like I'm still just like drooping around in my oversized clothes and with my beard hiding my face like I'm not presenting in any way that would show that I care about fashion but just as a person

living uh in in in a society and looking around what is a what is appealing and what is not i did not like the era that i lived in la which was the beginning of the real power clashing like yes especially athleisure wear power clashing kind of and that was like really really big there and i only lived there for about two years so then when i moved out of la that trend was hitting everywhere else and so it seemed like an elongated trend of of a style that i didn't like and again everybody can wear what they want but I didn't like it and all of this is to say when you mentioned the sort of wide bottom legs or just kind of like wide legged pants these days which I don't know if that's starting to peak or crest at this point or maybe is on the downside I'm not sure because it's been around for a little bit and these things obviously change but I love it so much I think we started to see it a bit when women started wearing a lot more jumpsuits sort of which I've heard jumpsuits are kind of a pain and I don't really have an opinion on jumpsuits per se.

You've got to put a union flap on the back, a union suit flap. That was a big topic on TBTL in the olden days was union suits, which is those sort of pajamas that particularly guys would wear in Little House on the Prairie, but then those things were made with a flap in the back that you could unbutton to relieve yourself.

An escape hatch is what we like to call it. yeah yeah but uh anyway as far as jumpsuits are concerned i'm neither pro nor con but generally speaking like i just i love seeing like genevieve has been making a lot of clothes lately and she just made herself like a pair of pants are just like really those really wide like loose pants from like hip down to ankle sort of and i just i love that look so much and it also just looks

super super comfortable and super cute you know this proves what a follower i am because i remember when those, when like just what seemed to me to, and again, I'm not talking about Jenko jeans, but just sort of like pants that seemed oddly wide and kind of flared at the bottom. And basically what you're describing, my sister Liz is a, a real fashion plate. In fact, she used to own a store in Portland, Button, and they sold a lot of really cool clothes. And, and, you know, she talked to a lot of designers and people who were pretty fashion forward. And I remember her having these pants that were kind of like that this is years ago though and i would you know again my sister can do no wrong in my eyes but i remember she was like oh yeah these pants were kind of expensive but i really had my eye on them and i got them and my daughter who's also very fashionable was like are those you know fill in the blank of the designer and she's like absolutely and then they were just like going gaga about these pants and i remember thinking those look a little bit extreme to me flash forward now to where those are very in the mainstream and i think they're adorable and i love them so what happened what changed in my brain i just needed to see it enough like the first time that i saw it i was like that's i'm unfamiliar with this look therefore i fear it and then now i'm just like oh yeah i think that's a great look i'm i'm like for instance our friend nora mcinerney is on instagram just today um showing some cool pants that she just got that she was excited about and talking about how she was going to wear them with uh different you know shoes come winter etc and they're the i think kind of the sort of pants you're describing and i remember thinking hey those are great looking slacks nora they are great so i don't know i don't know what's i don't know what uh what happens in my brain i guess it must just be once i see something enough times although again the power clashing and the janko jeans are never and the oakley sunglasses which is the sort of like you know wraparound like yeah not you know very like when we were when they first came around they were very positioned as kind of like you're a runner or you're doing some sort of like activity where you need these glasses to hug your face, you know, you're Jay Buhner playing center field for the, for the Mariners. Like there was a, it was kind of a sport thing. And then those, you know, I mercifully, I think those things are now passing through our collective system and maybe we're getting away from them a bit. Speaking of sunglasses though, Andrew, I had a little downtime yesterday during our filming when we were resetting some cameras and I went for a little walk down in the financial district which is where delmonico's is and um i went into a lens crafters and well i just thought it was a place that sold sunglasses because i need some new sunglasses remember those expensive sunglasses that i purchased at portland international airport that i bought i went on like a four-day trip i came back and then they said no returns and i was kind of annoyed because i my plan had been to return them um so i've ended up just wearing those sunglasses because i owned them and well guess what they broke they just like they had

this little stylish like thing on the arm of them where there was like a little piece of brass inlaid in there or something well that was a that was a weak point they just broke they're ungluable and it makes me more mad because i never wanted to be the long-term owner i never wanted to be the forever home for these sunglasses well at a certain point though you resigned

yourself.

to it right i did and then they broke thinking okay i see you weren't thinking like someday

you'll still rehome them in some way no i was never going to rehome them but i was just like if if if they were sunglasses that i loved i would have been annoyed and bummed that they broke through like poor design but the fact that i didn't even want to be them today and then they broke i was like oh but anyway i'm in the market for some sunglasses and i'm walking around the financial district and here i see a wall of sunglasses and i go in and the first thing was it was a lens crafters and they were like i guess i guess it's technically like an eye shop really more than a place that sells sunglasses but i just thought a i was just killing time and i wanted to look at some sunglasses and it was funny because somebody comes out with an ipad very seriously as if i was in like a doctor's office um do you have an appointment sir and i said no i just wanted to look at some sunglasses and the woman literally was like uh okay like i guess if you want your funeral and like was it was a kind of a again is that weird to go into an optometry place like it wasn't a sunglass hut it was a lens crafters is it weird to go into a lens crafters and go i just

want to look at the sunglasses at a lens it was literally a lens crafters no oh that's the

business it was a lens crafters on beaver in the financial district well uh boy you're naming and

blaming i uh i i didn't hear the first time you said um lens crafters so i was like well it really depends on the shop because i have a little i have did i ever tell you about this i have some bias where i get my um eyes examined like when i was a kid and keep in mind i've been wearing glasses since i was two years old so this has been like my entire life and of course as a kid my mom would take me to whatever optometrist she went to i can't remember the name off the top of my head but like it was it was near the mall it was like in the mall parking lot but it still felt more like a doctor's office than a store to me i think they were in the front i think they were selling some stuff but it felt like going to the doctor maybe that's because as a kid either way that was my experience often we would take that prescription and then go somewhere else like maybe a lens crafters or whatever it was back in the 90s and get a get a pair of glasses made from it it wasn't like i was going to the back of a store to get my eyes examined but then when i was an adult here in seattle i was floundering a little bit as to where to go to get my eyes checked and the place that i landed on first of all i really don't like this name um but it was right in my neighborhood and it was called specks in the city and um god you are such a samantha i really am does she wear glasses which one of the none of them work do none of the sex in the

cities women i would imagine that at some point sometimes if they're reading or something miranda

probably does sure because he's a lawyer she's a lawyer right lawyers need glasses it's my understanding um i don't think you can pass the bar without glasses i'm not entirely sure also you well whatever um so anyway so i went there and i really didn't and now i'm naming and blaming and i shouldn't because it's a i'm sure it's a good neighborhood business but like i sort of went in and it really felt like i was going into the back of a small store like that it felt more like i was going to a store and they happen to have some rooms in the back where they check your eyes and that might not be fair but i really didn't like it and it also just sort of felt like they really wanted they really wanted to lay down the expectation that i was going to be buying my glasses there when that was never the case i was just planning on going there to get my eyes examined but there was something i don't know how to explain it or if this is making any sense but there are some places that feel like doctor's offices there are some that feel like doctor's offices where you can also maybe buy some glasses and then there are places that seem like eyeglasses stores where they'll check your eyes in the back and you'll say you see what i have to work with here like in batman 89 and i smash the mirror and i start laughing like the joker and then they say uh what's it going to take to get you out of here in a pair of progressive uh lenses so anyway uh

this was much more i felt on the retail side because the the what drew my attention to it was a giant window full of sunglasses yeah and i was like i'm a person who needs sunglasses i went in it wasn't that i was unwelcomed it was that the woman seemed fairly shocked that i might just be only there to look at sunglasses and but anyway they allowed me to and i was looking at sunglasses and what i realized was again i'm very out of step with the prevailing sunglass fashion like none of it's really for me i always end up standing in front of the ray-ban section just looking at wayfarers like just the the classic ray-bans but i i've bought so many pairs of those in my life and then somehow lost them that to buy another pair feels like i don't know just a commentary on myself that i'm not i'm not willing to be that honest with myself that i am yet again needing to buy a 200 pair of wayfarers by ray-bans when i've bought probably 10 pairs of them in my life so what i saw though were these kind of chunky ray-bans that were a sort of an amber color and i tried them on and they were perfect a lot of the sunglasses were too small some of them were too large these were in the goldilocks zone they were absolutely they i liked how they looked i liked the the weight of them the heft i liked everything about them except they were andrew the kind that have the glasses the the the camera built into them oh geez yeah they had the two little circles and i was like i wish they made these exactly like this minus the camera and the reason I thought of it is because Sidney Sweeney, the actor from, by the way Spokane, Washington is flashing across one of these digital reader boards in an ad for these exact Ray-Ban meta-infused camera glasses, but I kept thinking like, what is the, like there's no way I can just wear these as sunglasses, there's just no way because I feel like the people that know what those two little round circles mean kind of at the corner of the glasses we're going to be can you imagine talking to somebody who's wearing those glasses and not having it totally distract i mean you're not you're not the king of looking at people's faces yeah maybe maybe they have my entire life yeah you might actually be the person i should talk to if wearing these sunglasses but i think a lot of other people would i i was just thinking of myself like if i'm talking to someone and they're wearing these glasses that have two camera lenses on them that's going to be way

distracting to me i think yeah no i i i was thinking the same thing and you know i only know about these because it came up on the show before and actually not all that recently so these glasses must have been around for a while they rolled out okay see and i i i don't shop in these quarters so i just had did not really kind of realize that they're that prolific that like to buy a pair of like these otherwise classic looking sunglasses you have to avoid the ones

with the camera that's pretty i thought they had i thought they had failed honestly when this version came out i think what i said to you was they actually look pretty good to me because again they're ray-bans they're kind of in the they're they're a traditional looking ray-ban sunglasses which is something i go for and i think what i said at the time was i actually think this is a cool idea because there's a lot of times i'm looking at stuff and i think oh it'd be it'd be great to get a photo of this or make a little video of this but you know i don't have my phone right at the ready or I don't want to pull my phone out or whatever I actually saw the utility of it the usefulness of it but I was like but I can never wear these what I hadn't considered until yesterday was what must it be like to be on the receiving end of this to just be trying to have a casual conversation at a picnic with someone and they've got these these glasses but yeah I also was just under the impression that the whole project had kind of failed because I have never seen someone wearing these glasses in public yeah that you yeah that you've noticed and

you would notice i'm looking at them now and you know for glasses with a camera in them they are remarkably subtle but if you once you know you know what that is like i will give them credit for not like they don't look like robo glasses necessarily but yeah that seems like i would be uncomfortable although like this is something that's been on my mind lately because of some local legislation here in seattle about putting up um like the city itself and i i guess under the jurisdiction of the police department putting up um more like cameras surveillance cameras i would be one of the targeted neighborhoods because they're they want to put them up in really really high income neighborhoods where there's no crime um and uh anyway i uh and this is i'm going on the the kow talk show tomorrow and on friday to talk about this topic so it's kind of like i'm i'm i keep on batting it around in my head sorry that that's maybe why i'm taking it in this direction But like almost everything that I sort of most of the political feelings I have about what's going on in our city are aligned with pretty much the progressive people in the city, whether you're people who are journalists or have have thoughts on these things, write commentaries or whatever. And especially when it comes to sort of crime and punishment. But I'm having a hard time sort of towing the progressive line when it comes to to surveillance. And I know intellectually, like, all of the arguments, like, sort of against it. Like, I know that I am not in one of the communities that would potentially be the most abused by something like this, people who are unhoused or communities of color or what have you. Like, I'm trying to check my privilege on it. But, like, it just sort of seems like we live in a society now where cameras are all over the place. I mean, private businesses, private homes. I wonder if even where I live, if more homes have cameras than not at this point. Now we're talking about living in a society where you could just be going up to somebody and saying hello on the street and they could be recording. Of course, why are you saying hello to people on the street and trying to start? Know what you're saying?

If you're Sydney Sweeney, because it's written under her face right now. Hey, Meta, get this on video.

Can you imagine uttering those words?

Exactly. And so it's sort of and again, like I'm sure I'll get emails sort of like, quote unquote, educating me on this. And I understand I'm not trying to rile people up, but like calling me in. But I have done a lot of reading about it. And I mean, this goes back to well now, whatever. I don't need to spiral here. But like this has been a conversation since like the the post 9-11 days and the use of surveillance. And you would hear some horror stories back then of of of people abuse, you know, like governments and our government and law enforcement abusing this type of stuff. But for the most part, like we just haven't gotten to this point where I don't know, I just sort of feel like, yes, we're all being recorded at all times. It sort of seems weird to say the one people who can't do it are the city. You know what I mean? Like, I don't know that it's just something I've been chewing on a lot lately. And now you bringing up cameras and glasses and the fact that this is way more common or but they want it to be way more common than I ever realized.

I mean, look, there is a obviously a sort of dystopian version of this where which is, of course, what's happened, like, for instance, in China with the Uyghur population and places like that, where it's used by the state to suppress a specific group of the population or the entire population. I mean, there is a world in which terrible forces come to power in the United States and all of these CC cameras are are used to basically control us as citizens. that is a possibility if that happens we've got bigger problems in my opinion like things have gone way way off the rails and the alternative to me is like think about an event that happens somewhere in your neighborhood and why the cctv footage i'm just going to keep using that because my dad and i watch so much british you know uh mystery television they're always talking about cctv do we call it that over here i always think of it i mean i know i know it's closed caption

it's i'm sorry not closed caption it's closed circuit television is what it stands for i don't know if we use it it always seems like a real um british thing to me but maybe we but whatever we

call that let's say surveillance like the here's the the only time that like again barring a you know again orwellian nightmare future that could or could not exist on november 6th barring that the time when you'd be kind of hoping there was some security footage in your neighbor would probably be if something kind of not great went down and it'd be like somebody you know crashed into a car and then drove off and and and left the car there uh you know wrecked or somebody you know did something that it's like gosh uh did we is there any footage of that do we have any kind of do we have a picture of the vehicle that did the crashing do we have the picture you know and it would be kind of useful to have that information you know and and so i don't know i i'm with you i don't want to just like sort of blithely handed all over to the surveillance state but on the other hand you're right everything is already being recorded to the point where I think people have a pretty low expectation of privacy as if I'm walking through Times Square as I was last night going to get what turned out to be far too spicy food every I mean I'm being the amount of surveillance on me is so intense at that now granted that's Times Square that's literally probably the most surveilled place maybe on planet earth so it's a bad example but to your point it's like the the the you know the the cows have kind of gotten out of that out of that barn as it were and so now it's like the one thing we don't want to know is if somebody does something that's damaging or uncool in your neighborhood and we want to make sure that we have less uh to go on in trying to kind of like maybe find the people who did a thing that wasn't great i'll i'll just

here's the thing that i'll raise now that we're going back and forth on this i'm helping you prep for tomorrow exactly just to play devil's advocate on this um and really luke i'll be honest the reason i'm saying this is just so that the listeners understand that i i understand this part of the argument and again maybe to save some emails um but i mean i guess the argument to what you would just say of the listeners i just am exhausted i'm literally going through blurs days as we talked i'm like seeing i'm pulling i'm plucking them between all these other emails I have not responded to but I mean it is worth noting that like and again like kind of looking at it purely from a crime prevention standpoint like that you're absolutely right and that's kind of like why I'm leaning in this direction the argument though is like it's not just my neighborhood like another big neighborhood would be like right downtown of Westlake Center well what happens in a lot of Westlake Center is a lot of like you know like peaceful protests or whatever but then potentially could the police start using this footage to identify certain protesters and maybe even protesters who weren't breaking any major laws but were protesting for something you know i mean and like and we we do know that you know the the the um police here in seattle are still under a consent decree with the courts like they're not necessarily reasonable actors we are like not the most trustworthy police force and so then you know that's the kind of argument and again like i just want to kind of acknowledge that while i i don't want to back down i want to just be honest about these things like i'm not just gonna to toe the progressive line on it I'm just being honest about like I feel like I understand intellectually the theoretical arguments but given everything that we're talking about this one just doesn't get my blood up the way the other ones do and I think part of that is just living in a society where you realize well cameras are all around us and I just kind of want to acknowledge that yeah I know that I'm talking about this from kind of a privileged perspective maybe it won't affect me as much as it could affect them you know using it for laws that I don't agree with I mean there is some danger there but i guess i just still haven't seen and and again maybe this is my own short-sightedness i haven't seen like the sort of the the huge display like nobody's pointing to like the the big example of where this has gone wrong here in well it's because it's hypothetical

still yeah i mean and that's and i mean the the thing about the protest uh like you know the police zooming in on protesters i mean that's that one is complicated because it seems like the answer might not be to not have the information but to have a police department that doesn't try to mess with peaceful protesters right now if that's not achievable then maybe we take away the technology right like and we say until until you can prove that you're not going to misuse the information no information for you maybe is how we do it but it just feels like yeah i don't know it's like it's a it's like this hypothetical idea that the police might go after somebody who was not the person lighting the police car on fire but standing next to them you know at a you know some sort of a uprising slash protest i mean or maybe it's a peaceful i like i don't see the police here's the thing i don't see the police using the footage to bust falun gong people let me put it that way you know right like the people doing like tai chi and listening to music you know who i see in downtown portland constantly those people are not being messed with by the police as protesters as far as i understand um but i hear you and i think like it's weird because it's one of those things where i feel like i could absolutely rue how i'm coming off right now in five years you know by being like whatever dudes it's like as we as i report to my mandatory job and in the gulag because of you know something i did that they that the overlords observed on the closed uh circuit cameras i think it's better if i just explain what cctv is i think that's neater and quicker now instead of just saying cctv but it's a complicated issue andrew is my point

yeah and i was gonna say first of all i think that that's one of those things too where you and i both can i mean i think if you listen and i recommend everybody do this if you listen to all 15 years of the show you will hear us kind of evolve and change on things i think that's part of the human experience and human condition like the you and i might be singing a different song down the um down the road i did want to tell you on a personal note though because i thought you might be interested in this i told you one of the reasons i kind of led the conversation in this place sort of accidentally was because i've been thinking about it because it's one of the topics that will likely come up on this KOW show that I'm going to be on tomorrow, a show that you have been on many times, and it just occurred to me, I think I'm on with two of the same exact people you were on with the last time, one of whom is our friend Dave Bowes, who is famous here in TV. Oh, David Bowes. Yeah, so it's going to be me, David Bowes, and Lex Vaughn of The Needling, which is that parody news website.

I think that might have been the exact trio maybe that I was teamed up with.

I think so, yeah. And I've never met Lex before, but I'm a big fan of The Needling, and I haven't seen David in a really long time. So anyway, that should be good.

I had a good time the last time I was on that show, and in talking to David, you know, David is somebody who's politically very different than you and I. But for the purposes of that show, I appreciated, I thought, kind of the way that he was framing the stuff that, his arguments he was putting forward, I felt like were made in good faith, which I appreciated. Yeah. And there are a lot of bad faith arguments that come from the other side. I felt like he was giving good faith arguments, at least, which I didn't necessarily agree with. But I felt like we were having kind of a real conversation, you know, not just like kind of lobbying bombs or whataboutisms or things that are not really helping get anywhere. Yeah. That's more the province of TBTL. We're the show for lobbying bombs and whataboutisms and bathroom talk, Andrew, because last night. Well, you know what? Let's do this. Can we thank some donors? And then can I just kind of bore you and the listeners with the like 10-minute version of my journey of getting out to New York, trying to get to this TV shoot and various other things that have been going on in the last 24 hours for me?

I think I speak on behalf of all the listeners when I say nanu nanu. Thank you for being a 10.

All right, let's thank some donors.

And TBTL happening five days a week, 300 and well, it's not 365 days a year, but it's feels a lot. Yeah, it feels like more sometimes. I had the moment yesterday classically that I have all the time that I often bring up here on TBTL when we're talking about donors, which is I was explaining to the our camera guy rob and our sound guy jack as we were hanging out at delmonico's i was telling them about tbtl and trying to explain what it was they asked all the natural questions i had none of the natural answers but just trying to explain what the show was and and uh and the guy jack is a listener to the show smartless very popular podcast smartless and i said well it's it's like it's similar to that but um we didn't get 200 million dollars from spotify we're getting how much did we get

oh no we got pulled down from spotify right that's different yeah that's what's essentially

the opposite of getting paid 200 what is the diametric opposite opposite experience of getting paid 200 million by spotless it's or spotify it's being taken down by spotify or maybe paying that much to be platformed but either way i tried to explain that we've got a guy named rob rumberg in philadelphia pa who is donating to the show and keeping tbtl going i had andrew such a fun time talking to rob and rob's lovely wife in philadelphia at the mulberry after uh after our tbtl live event it was an absolute blast i really enjoyed chatting with them and finding out more about rob's love of uh i wouldn't say woodworking but making shelves and things and she was talking about like their early days of meeting and her impression of him and and uh it was a really fun time so rob thank you uh for the support and it was really fun hanging out with you neil hodges is in seattle washington i know you and neil have been hanging out lately hi neil he's outside neil's your neighbor actually um thanks neil joshua johnson is in missoula montana thank you beautiful missoula montana they're on the bitter root river right uh steps from hellgate high school where my dad walt burbank went to school which as i always have to clarify is because of a geologic formation called hellgate canyon not because it was a hell hole although who knows what it was like there in the 60s and 70s uh it's our friend katherine Urbadi, who's in Minneapolis, Minnesota.

Thank you, Catherine. Appreciate it. We'll get out there one of these days.

And you know what? Actually, Becca's there right now. She's at a conference. She's staying in the St. Paul Hotel. I told her to sweep the room for to-go boxes.

Oh, well, if she goes... I feel like the weather has made this a little bit more appropriate now. Tell her to go down to that bar downstairs. Sit in the small little bar area. Not the big restaurant. Sit in the bar area. Get Get yourself a martini and sip that while you wait for your French onion soup. That is what I like to do in the bar of the St. Paul Hotel.

I will recommend that to her. She would maybe have the martini. The soup, probably a maybe on the soup. Yeah, it's a little bit heavy for her.

How does she feel about, because the other thing I'll do there is get some shrimp cocktail. And it's the kind that's usually served up in a glass and like a martini glass with like the cocktail stuff and all of it. But it's usually like, I'm going to say like three, maybe four jumbo shrimp. Do you think that she might be into that? Because that's another thing I get off the menu there.

Not into the shrimps. Not into the shrimps. Wow, I'm striking out there. Not any caloric pushback. Just I don't think a fan of the texture. Here's what I'm wondering. And this is something Matthew Thomas in Denver, I think, has also been curious about. Matthew's one of our donors today. I actually like that thing you're describing. But what I really like is the cocktail sauce. i love cocktail sauce why why are we why are we why are we confining cocktail sauce to only

the cold shrimp circuit well no go ahead sorry well i mean i i mean my problem well you know what should we thank nancy nancy richardson of st petersburg florida before i get on my because i

have yeah i have thoughts and nancy is in st petersburg florida nancy thank you hope you are doing okay uh that's a pretty close to tampa and that's right in that area that's been hit so hard lately nancy we hope you're doing all right thinking of you and appreciating you and all the other uh donors today all right andrew thoughts on shrimp cocktails so i love cocktail sauce um

and if you're in so like you said it's often served with shrimp cocktail i mean that's usually the thing but when you go to like let's say a fish and chips place or something whether you're talking about like the Pacific Inn which is a little dive bar that's famous for their fried fish in my old neighborhood or even a even a nicer place like usually they're going to serve um what is the uh the white sauce that is usually served tartar tartar sauce now i don't like tartar sauce very much i don't like the i just don't like it um and so i'll often ask them to swap out cocktail sauce so there you have me dipping my fried fish stuffs you know whether they're the oysters or the shrimps whatever so i'm doing that um and then once you have your your basket or whatever you got some fries in there why wouldn't you put your fries in the cocktail sauce as well i do that now here's the deal about cocktail sauce though i realize because now i just make it myself at home it's just you do it's just ketchup and and um vinegar no although maybe some people put some vinegar in there but it's just um horseradish sauce and i go pretty heavy on the horseradish and then i might add a shake or two of tabasco but that's essentially all unless maybe somebody can tell me i'm wrong but like I have literally I try not to be obnoxious at restaurants, but I know at least once I sort of go five easy pieces, five easy pieces on it and said, do you have any cocktail sauce? They said no. I'm like, do you have any horseradish? And they're like, yeah. I'm like, could I have some of that and some ketchup? And I just made it there at the table.

And that's what cocktail sauce is. OK, my mind is quite blown by that. I had no idea. That's all it was. And I guess my thing, though, is you're still talking about cocktail sauce in the context of like seafood. Yeah. And I'm just saying, like, have we considered putting it on our bread? Oh, our bread. Or just, I don't know, like, allowing it to leave the seafood space and enter some of the other food spaces.

Well, I mean, and that's maybe I got a little bit off track there. I guess so. My point is, like, when it's sitting there next to a plate of fries, you're going to naturally dip a fry in there anywhere. Oh, I would. 100%. And I do that. And then I guess what my point there is, is essentially it is it's it's very ketchup heavy. Right. I'm trying to look up like if I am. Oh, I see. Lemon juice should be in there as well. I mean, there are ways there are ways to make it nicer. And so I'm talking about real, you know, I'm talking about a real working men's cocktail sauce here. Just like you need to throw it together quickly at home like that. That does it for me. And so I guess my point is some people are really snobby about ketchup, but maybe you should start by thinking what things would you naturally put ketchup on and would it be better if it was a ketchup with more of a horseradish-y, lemony taste to it?

I think it would because, to be honest with you, ketchup is okay, but it's a little sweet.

It is.

I often get ketchup with things and then underutilize the ketchup because it's like I like the idea of it more than the actual experience. now cocktail sauce it's a whole other thing because i tend to go more towards tart anyway or you know savory or whatever i guess the flavor profile is i'll tell you what i'm gonna do less of andrew which is this red sauce that they do at the there's a million here in new york city particularly in the part of new york i'm in there are literally on every corner these carts where that's like a hot think of it as a hot dog cart but it's you know got a bunch of stuff going on they'll make you uh you know knishes they'll make you corn dogs they'll do a burger and fries they'll do uh chicken over rice lamb over rice and what i like to do is i will get um i'll get them to do like a falafel over rice or what do you call the um what do you call the the the the grain based little kind of roundish fried thing i think of it as falafel that's falafel okay so But what I'll do is I'll get basically like falafel over rice. Oh, my God.

You're killing me.

Because you're hungry?

Yeah. I'm sorry. I just muttered how hungry I am while you were talking. And now I'm thinking about falafel. I don't order falafel a lot, but my God, it's so good when I get it.

What I really like about this whole thing, though, so it's just like a to-go thing of like iceberg lettuce. Well, it's rice is the base. Then lettuce. I always get like tomato. I get extra veggies. I get the falafel and then I get I love this white sauce that they put on there which is just kind of like a tzatziki or something I don't know if it's the kind of thing you'd really dig you're not into that but I really like it like it's my favorite thing and I always sometimes they'll be nice enough to they don't do a lot of sides of things like they don't have little plastic ramekins you know to go kind of things but like if the guy's feeling generous sometimes they'll do like an involved deal where they make a little pouch out of foil like I'll be like can I have extra white sauce and they'll like they'll do some or they'll use like a paper coffee cup and put the white sauce in it and then foil it down so you got a little but this last night so i was wandering the streets of new york at like 9 p.m like mr burns in that episode where he's they've shot him up and it's the x-files episode where he's like i come in peace or whatever glowing yes that was basically me last night because of completely interrupted sleep cycle but i'm like i'm hungry i gotta get some food and i was gonna door dash But this hotel is is not. notoriously difficult to doordash to because it sort of spans a couple of different blocks and the guys the last time that i tried to doordash something here i got a guy who was like apparently friends with the dude calling me and being like what's the address and i was like explaining it to him and then 10 minutes go by and he calls me back and he's like what's the address i was like i just told you man like it's a it's for some reason though it's in the smack dab in time square it's very hard to locate because there's a couple of different addresses for it so all that is to say i go downstairs i'm craving this falafel over rice over lettuce over tomatoes with a lot of those white sauce i asked the guy do you have um can i have extra white sauce he's like i don't have a thing for it i was like okay well you can just put a lot on there he goes yeah and i'm like extra white and extra red sauce too and i don't know why i said that second part because there's usually the amount of red sauce is fine the red sauce is spicy i was like he was like extra red sauce he kind of looked at me like really and i was like i felt like maybe he was just thinking you know this white guy from the pacific northwest is not up for like the spice of this sauce if i put extra on i felt a little bit judged i was like come on man i'm an interesting spicy character spicy individual i can handle it so somehow out of like almost wanting to what i should have said was no you know what actually i don't need extra red sauce that's there's enough i've never been eating this and thought could there be i want more red sauce on this i've always been thinking i wish there was more of this white sauce on it but i was like yeah extra red and he like looks at me and i swear to god my memory of it is like unbroken eye contact where he's just like he's got this squeezed bottle he's just like he's just like absolutely burying this thing in this red sauce and so i get back to the room and i'm all excited and i uh i start eating it and i'm at the

side of the little to-go rectangular dish that is the more the white sauce and it's like perfect and then I start getting into the red sauce area and then my tongue like my tongue is shaken my legs was shaking my head was on fire everything was on fire but I and I all I desperately needed more white sauce to counteract this and I didn't have any I just had what was in there but I was so hungry that i just ate the whole thing even though i would like eat a couple bites and then i would like swig down some diet dr pepper and then i'd go like i'd be like panting it was like somebody had done a one chip i was like a person who did a one chip challenge but this was completely self-inflicted and it was just because i was so hungry and i was too lazy to go all the way back downstairs and either get a new order or find someone who would give me some way like i just ate this entire thing of this crazy hot falafel and rice thing and um i've not been right since then andrew i woke up a couple times in the night i'm currently still not feeling a hundred percent

you just go down to the lobby and just start screaming does is there a go-gurt in the house

emergency go-gurts i seriously you know what i i know i've judged my mom harshly when she's brought go-gurt to uh formal family events but she might be on to something because i could have i would

my kingdom for a go-gurt last night just one emergency go-gurt in your inside pocket at all

times you break in case that's right just to quench the flames but anyway that was the end of the night the beginning of the day uh involved me uh getting on uh well i guess the beginning of a couple of days ago was me getting on an airplane in portland and flying to seattle and then flying out here to new york uh in the middle of the night and my big sort of stress about that was well, I'm going to have to land in New York city. And then I don't know if I'm going to get access to the hotel room. I don't know. Like I'm going directly to, or I'm going pretty quickly to a television shoot after having flown all night. And is that going to be a problem on some level? And it was Andrew, it turns out. Yes, it absolutely was. Um, for a couple of reasons. One, I did not get upgraded to first class. And what I realized was the last time I did a red eye and i was like you know i actually slept pretty well actually wasn't so bad well that's because i was in first class it's a very different experience trying to sleep in coach and like i ride in coach a lot but i'm not usually trying to get a solid five hours of sleep in coach that's a totally different ball game and not a ball game that i was winning uh as i was flying out here but i also had thought i did this move that i don't usually do i i tend to kind of overdress for flights. I think it's because I have some, I don't know, hung up, hang up or insecurity or thoughts about kind of like the, the pajamafication of America. I don't love that for us. And so I'm trying to push back on it by, by, by looking professional on a flight. This is a, this is a whole journey that only exists in my head, by the way, I want everyone to do whatever they feel like doing, but because it was going to be a red, I thought I'm going to put on comfy sweats and a comfy like patagonia like kind of hooded shirt you know sweatshirt kind of thing i'm getting get real cozy on this flight so that maybe that'll help me sleep so i i was wearing my normal quote unquote normal clothes my outside clothes on the flight from portland to seattle but then in seattle i went into a bathroom like one of those kind of you know single use restrooms and i changed into my comfy clothes and i put the other stuff in my i had two suitcases i had a larger suitcase and then i had a smaller one that had like my toiletries in it and emergency pants and deodorant and in case i somehow got separated from the large suitcase like you did recently and i still needed to like have access to my like toiletries and stuff to go to the shoot i i was i thought i was being very smart i was i was kind of like separating out the things so that i i was gonna have the suitcase that i never left my side would have my like essentials if i just if that was all i had i could make it work and um anyway land i get like no sleep somebody faints on the flight andrew like one row behind me and they almost have to divert the flight because they saw you wearing sweatpants yes it was so shocking there's like is that is that burbank in sweatpants in public public um uh no i was well i mean it was the middle of the night so it was pretty dark

on there but then i just heard this loud thump like the robe like in the aisle but like a row back from me. And it was somebody who had, I guess, maybe fainted. And I will say this for the flight attendants, you know, in those situations, usually when things are a little stressful on a plane, that's when the flight attendants really show their metal. So when they really show their cool, calm and collectedness, uh, this was not that moment for these flight attendants on this Alaska airlines flight. They were freaking out. I was like, yeah, they were like, they were not like the, I don't know. I guess I, I wanted them to seem very businesslike and like we've got this and they were like running around and just one flight attendant like sprints to the front of the plane one is like yelling to the other one and then that and this is again it's three in the morning people are kind of trying to sleep um and one flight is yelling to the other one who then kind of like sprints to the front of the plane but there's all these people in the aisle so she's like trying to get around them she gets on the phone and she goes if there's anyone medical on the plane that would be super which i didn't think was the most that's

not the line you've practiced your whole life for this iconic line and it's if there's anybody medical that would be super let's try that again yeah i like and then nobody dinged their bell and

i was like oh no like this is this is where i really don't like myself andrew because in this moment i did want the person to be okay and by the way they were but i was very worried we were gonna have to like land in chicago you know which is such a selfish way to look at the world and such a terrible way to experience your reality is through this lens of how does it affect me but i will admit i was a little stressed about that i was like please let there be someone medical on this flight don't make it be me okay don't make it be me dinging my bell and then going out there and then being you know pretending to be a doctor to just help this guy out so that we can get to

new york successfully luckily there was steve martin situation for some reason you're blowing up those rubber lab gloves and putting them on your head like a so you look like a rooster i

don't know i'm a doctor of comedy sure um they call me dr funny bones you know they say laughter is the best medicine yes and i'm gonna bring some laughter to your life right now sir but anyway that happened on the flight so it wasn't a particularly restful flight i didn't get any sleep we land in new york and now i'm i'm in this dilemma of like do i have enough time to try to go to the hotel and change and take a shower and drop my stuff or do i have to go directly to where we're filming because they that place delmonico's they start lunch service at noon so like they are they can't you know that's and that's thousands and thousands of dollars so they they really aren't they're not trying to stay closed they're we're filming before they open that means there's a hard out as we called in the business so i like uh i decide i make the the questionable decision to go to the hotel and my thought is like it's a huge hotel i'll probably be able to get a room if not i don't know i'll figure it out but like i'm i'm gonna try because what that means then is like i'm adding us you know i'm adding a stop and i'm making it more likely that i'm actually late to get to the restaurant in time to shoot get to the by the way it's like an hour and 30 minutes to get from newark airport to this hotel and how many miles do you think that is as the crow flies andrew i'm not sure i have no idea six would you believe six okay six miles new york is such a funny place like right now i'm actually i'm in midtown i can see the statue of liberty between the buildings and if i wanted to take a cab down there to the southern tip of manhattan probably be like an hour and i'm looking at the statue i could you know i could probably walk it in 20 minutes but anyway i uh i get here to the hotel i um i go to check in and the hotel is totally sold out and also

this is where my like constant need to maximize and upgrade also comes into play because i realize that if they are going to let me have a room at nine in the morning the pool of rooms i'm pulling from is much smaller right it might just be randomly a room they have but it's not going to be like the room i'm in now which is looking out on jelly roll in time square and it may be a little bigger a little nicer like i'm the guy that's always asking for hey is there something with a view is there something a little bit nicer those options are very limited at 9 a.m because i'm not even supposed to be checking into the hotel at that point so i'm kind of like i kind of want him to have a room for me but i kind of don't because i want to get like a nicer room and sure enough he says the hotel is sold out i could maybe find you one room on a low floor i was like if i come back this afternoon can i get a room on a higher floor with the view he's like yeah definitely i was like okay well i'll just change in the bathroom then he's like okay i go which way is the restroom and he points me in that direction and i go to the restroom and i go in and of course there's a stall that's like a accessible stall. So there's actually a lot of room to move around in there. There would have been plenty of room for me to do what I needed to do. Um, that was taken by somebody. It was locked. So I go down next stall, locked next stall, locked. Everybody in midtown has decided to come use this men's restroom at the Marriott marquee. I go down to the last stall is thankfully unoccupied. I go in, I close the door behind me. I've got two suitcases and my computer bag andrew and i'm in head-to-toe sweats and i have something that i need to raise here

sure that is going to maybe make the conversation slightly more uncomfortable but it's a reality of life if you're in a restroom and you're the only one in there and it's a nice clean restroom that is maintained well with the bond voice spirit it's probably going to be a fine experience in my experience though if i am in a um restroom even if it's a clean restroom but at least three out of four or four out of five stalls or whatever it is are being actively used it's going to change the i don't know the ambiance of the restroom i mean i believe the word you're looking for is

the smell beyond the smell beyond the scent beyond this was this was a bathroom that was absolutely being stress tested in this case yeah it was being it was it was firing on all cylinders and it would give it all we've got captain it's nine in the morning everyone's had their coffee and everyone is is now doing their thing and in fact you know i remember now there was literally one stall that was not occupied but i went right past it because much like a stress dream andrew guess what clogged toilet oh god yeah like upsetting clogged toilet right which is also a stress dream that that i have sometimes but this was real life so i go into this back

stall i had to flush somebody else's poop before using a stall at the airport restroom on one of my recent travels i can't remember the details of which airport it was it was not here in seattle so i was like you know connecting flights somewhere um and i was just like and it wasn't clogged it wasn't even that impressive i don't understand who are the people who were just like i'm just gonna leave it wait hold on maybe it was technology i guess a lot of those those things are supposed to flush automatically i guess in an airport if you encounter something like that you can give the person the benefit of the doubt that they got up they thought that the toilet was

going to flush itself i guess right i do think we've kind of been trained now okay for it to

flush itself although i never rely on that no you push the button you kick the button if need be i just like i can't believe i have to do this i can't believe i have to do this and because

everything else that's really upsetting yeah i would like i would honestly just obviously there wasn't another stall but i feel like i would i would try to not even engage with that but then of course it falls on the person poor person who has to clean the bathroom which my god what that

person must see and we were already boarding i think it was they had just started boarding so

i knew i just had a small window of time you know well i'm in this i cannot overstate how tiny this this little uh stall is and i've got and i'm not usually a two suitcase person but again i thought i was being smart by having a tiny a small suitcase that i could bring with me and fit in the overhead and then a larger one for like my running stuff and whatever so now i've got both of these and the computer bag and i'm in my sweats and i've got to go from sweats to white collared shirt and blazer and non-sweatpants in this stall and there's and i like how do you even open a suitcase in this because the suitcases are both upright how do i even open them the whole premise of them is you place them on their side and you unzip them so i make a snap decision which is i get some toilet paper i clean the toilet seat off which thankfully there wasn't anything really overtly gross in this stall and i put my smaller of my two suitcases down as a tabletop and then i place my larger suitcase because that's the one that has the like change of clothes i need for the television shoot in it and i unzip that and as i'm like i can barely even still turn

around in here but i'm like pulling out this collared shirt and trying to find somewhere to kind of hang it over while i'm taking off my other shirt and this blazer i will say this about this blazer i bought it from this company called mac weldon and it was an impulse buy the whole pitch was this thing is like unwrinkleable like this thing looks like a regular blazer but it's made out of some kind of crazy material that it's just so forgiving like you can crumple it up and put it the bottom of a bag or backpack and then you can pull it out and then wear it it absolutely delivered like this is like an ad for this blazer like i pull it out of there it looks so wrinkly i'm like oh my god i'm so screwed the shirt because my plan was if i get in my room was to iron all this stuff but now and also by the way i need to be downstairs in the lift like right away like i'm already running now late for this shoot that's in a different part of manhattan and i'm just as i'm trying to do this whole thing of course somebody goes in the stall next to me and of course Andrew it's just a absolute paint job just like like the kind of thing that I don't even I don't know if I've ever made those noises just like by myself in my own bathroom let alone and like what it feels to me is that this person this must be what this person does at 9 a.m every morning like I mean maybe they just got maybe they had too much spicy falafel the night before and this was a problem for them but like the sense i got was this is a person who just i don't know if they worked at the hotel or they were just staying there but there was something about the experience made me think this is this happens at 9 a.m for this person it felt somehow like they'd been there they'd been here before and maybe it was just like they didn't do any courtesy flushing they didn't say sorry they just there's something unapologetic about the whole thing as i'm like trying to like not get like stand on the floor of the bathroom like my shoe my shoes are half on i'm on tippy toes standing in my shoes trying to not make contact with the bathroom floor and this person is just blowing the stall up next to me i wanted to slip them a piece of paper that said see a doctor like sir there's something medical right now that's happening for you and in the midst of all of this i really have the thought andrew can i make this the good part i really did and i just started laughing because i'm on i'm on no sleep i'm changing in a bathroom stall as a guy is having a medical event next to me i'm like this whole plan has gone awry i i you know like i'm not my hair is not you know perfectly quaffed my i'm of course also having a breakout so i'm not my skin is both oily and pimpled and i can't fix it really properly yeah i mean that's kind of the

thing about the the long flight too huh you just like you're you just get so greasy like i remember yes one of the flights just being like i just need to get into a shower so badly exactly like

the least comfortable that you're gonna feel going and having these tv cameras on you kind of close up while you talk about baked alaska like it was just it was just the worst feeling of all that and then i just thought like can you make this the good part and then i started laughing and it did kind of improve my mood so i come out of the stall so i get the whole get up on and i put everything back in and now i'm going to just check my bags at the bellhop and i come rushing out of the bathroom and again i just had checked myself in the mirror and i'm like this is just not this is not the best case scenario for you burbs on this you know how you're looking and feeling and everything and i come out of the bathroom and a guy grabs me up grabs me by the arm and he goes you're the guy i go the guy he goes from the microsoft training of all times and i'm like oh you gotta be kidding i have like i can count on one hand the number of times a year i get recognized in public for anything and this is the moment a guy recognizes me from the microsoft training i was just like i was like i wanted to give him my whole life story i wanted to be like i gotta go to this shoot even though i didn't sleep last night or whatever but I was just like, yeah, I go, well, I'm like, oh, well, hopefully I'll see you next year. And what I meant by that was I hope they hire me again to do it. And he goes, well, I will see you because I have to. I was like, yes, it is mandatory training, sir. Thank you very much. Nice to meet you.

And anyway, I also have a podcast. You can check it out at toobeautifultolive.com.

I miss the opportunity to promote the brand and I feel bad about it. But I will tell you this. i jumped in a car got a really really great dude um raul who was like taking the side streets but it was actually working like it's the only time i've had somebody in a lift override the computer and it works he was like this is terrible there's too much construction we're going to 30th and he bops over and i watched the delivery time drop by six minutes or whatever it's like so new york dude i was like that's awesome and anyway got me there i had time to grab i got there early enough that i grabbed a starbucks coffee i downed that it like revived me we had a great time they i told the camera guy i was like can you light this i go can you put a filter on the camera that look makes it look like i got any sleep last night he goes i'll see what i can do uh and we got the shoot done and it was a lovely morning in new york and uh i got to

visit the lens crafters anyway everything ended just fine i got to visit the famous lens crafters i have some there's something that you said during that story about like kind of trying to do this red eye and coach as opposed to first class because it reminds me of a thought that I was having last night and I actually had forgotten that I'd gone on this little on this little mental trip but I think it was because for reasons that we don't have to get well I was listening to a podcast recently where they were talking about the movie The Pink Panther Returns when I was a young person I liked the Pink Panther movies but I also remember them as being like really slow at times like it's not like a modern comedy and I was listening to Scott Aukerman talk with David Wayne yeah David Wayne he's like the director yeah he's great and it was really cool to hear like two people who've directed comedy films talk about like the difference between the expectations of a comedy back then and today and anyway it was a really really good podcast and so it put me in the mood the other night to watch The Pink Panther Returns And it's one of, I feel like that series is pretty hit or miss, but I think the Return and Pink Panther Strikes Back are two that were, I think, right in a row, and those are the two good ones, at least in my opinion. So I rewatched one of them, and there's a lot of opulence in them because, like, some of the characters are super, super rich, and there was just this one scene where, you know, it's a classic 1960s movie, too, So everything is especially sort of – feels especially sort of, I don't know, regal or ritzy because this guy is staying in a super, super expensive hotel and then room service comes with one of those classic little carts, you know, like you got the cloches and you got all that. And there was just a small interaction between him and the person who was delivering it. And it just got me like sort of thinking about what it would be like to be ultra, ultra wealthy. There was something about the way I was like, boy, I've only had room service once in my life, and I think it was at the St. Paul Hotel, and I'm sure I was super awkward about it and probably fumbling and bumbling. I was like, what would it be like to live such a life of wealth that just room service in the most fancy hotel in Paris or wherever this person was would just be sort of run-of-the-mill? And I think I just kind of got on one of those jags in my head where I was like, man, if I was just like, like literally money was no object. Like if money is an object at all, it's that I can't spend it fast enough for tax purposes or whatever. What would my life be like? And I immediately went and I immediately started picturing myself like traveling a lot. And I thought, wait a second, you don't like to travel. Being rich doesn't change who you are. But then I started thinking like, do I not like to travel? Do I not like being in other places? Or is it like literally because to travel anywhere that is like kind of exciting, let's say outside of the United States, not that there aren't plenty of exciting places here.

It's like, well, the act of traveling feels like such a burden to me, you know, like the packing and the and then like getting on a plane. And for me, I fly coach and like, you know, then and also with my weird femurs, like specifically, I'm uncomfortable in airplane seats or whatever. But like if I had a life where I'm just kind of like, you don't even really have to pack that much. Maybe you have help with that or maybe that you just like have places around the world and I'm only flying on private jets or at worst an airplane where I get my own pod, you know, and I don't have to worry about taking the train, the bus to the train to the airport. Instead, I just have a private driver or whatever. Yeah, like it even waking up early doesn't matter. Like, is there a like, is there a level of luxury in my life that it turns out like, oh, actually, if I had all of that, I would be more into traveling. Not that I wouldn't probably also create a very expensive nest for myself to stay home a lot as well. The world's fanciest rumpus room. But like, you know, like I do sort of wonder, like, how much of it is like I don't like to travel and how much it is I don't like to travel under like the conditions of a mere mortal.

i was thinking about that when becca and i were doing our uh our trip in europe this summer which was because there was so much dealing with i don't usually have like a giant gigantic suitcase that i'm dealing with but because we were there for a while and also i was stressed about packing i was really stressed because i was like i want i'm i had started to have this anxiety that i was gonna find myself over there and realize like oh i didn't pack this or i should have had more of this kind of a shirt and less of that kind of a shirt like i don't think of i think of myself as a non-anxious person but if i actually think about what my mind is doing most of the time i think it's spinning on anxieties like or again maybe it's just adhd where i'm like

i i do i think i do actually get more anxious than uh than i than i'd like to think i am but anyway all that is to say what came to my mind was like dude if you're the kardashians which is to your point of just like private travel private you know jet and everything's handled and there's a car waiting for you and all the things that are hard for us normal people about traveling also the packing you don't even have to pack somebody packs for you somebody just brings all your stuff and then if like one of the big things with me trying to constantly figure out is there a laundromat in this place we are at in italy because i need i'm getting down to one i have one pair of underwear left like how nice must it be to just decide oh i want to go to that place i'm going to go let's go to the super bowl let's go to the let's go to paris let's go wherever the not having to ever think about packing someone just packs up all your stuff handles it all you never see it they unpack it in the room probably steam it for you and then you just have it and then when you're done with it you just put it in a pile somewhere and then it's just at your house when you get home eventually like that for some reason that level of luxe was something that i had never considered like the fact that there are people who don't have to pack when they go on trips

that would be next level i um feel like i would still like to unpack believe it or not i love unpacking so i hate unpacking so much i love it because i have the luxury of having a washer and dry and i know you do as well and we all like different things but um there's something about like coming home from a trip even this last one or a recent one from croatia where we had i was telling you literally i think like on on paper 27 hours of travel right because just from all the flights and everything and and and the was it a two and a half hour ferry ride to start the day i can't remember what no but whatever 90 minutes two and a half hours uh anyway like it was just such a long day of travel you would have thought i would come and i didn't sleep much on any planes like you'd think I would just come home and just want to crash out immediately but I get almost manic like I was so happy to be home I think I end up staying up all night anyway like unpacking everything putting everything directly in the washing machine running a cycle maybe even like being able to like maybe fold those clothes and put them away there's something about like resetting like and again I think this this does speak to me as wanting to be like a nester you know like now I am home let me let me put everything where it belongs and I can I can

settle in here can i hire you to come do that at my house when i don't think it would be the same

thing i don't think it would be as satisfying for me to do that with your dirty underwear well

let's consider writing it into your job description okay there's a right way to rock

get a wrong way to roll you can't just listen to your soul just remember that life is number one You can be having so much fun Just remember that life is much fun You can be nothing but one

People often come up to me on the street and they say, Andrew, how can I submit a Blur's Day message so that it's read on TBTL? and I say I'm glad you asked stranger you can email me andrew at tbtl.net and put blursday in the subject line and they say what if I want to send it to you via Instagram or text message or voicemail line I say no no no you're going to want to email me andrew at tbtl.net and put did I say hey dummies I meant put blursday in the subject line and that's how I know it's a blursday message and that is what Paula did Paula wrote Elizabeth happy blursday to the person who talks to me and drops. I love you, and I hope your day is as wonderful as you are. You're like the coolest person I've ever met. I'm elated and proud to call you my kid. Love, Mom. Aw, cute. Love it. Happy Blur's Day, Elizabeth. Yay! Wow. Okay! Okay! Hmm, that was nice. Sorry. That did not come from my computer. I want everybody to know.

That sound?

It came from my mouth.

The dog that is barking? Yes. That is not my dog. Sorry, that auto-fired. You know what I have in front of me? I have the Philly show drops that I was playing. Oh, Philly. But for some reason, it auto-fired to Lil' John. I apologize for that.

But that is a Blur's Day message from Paula to Elizabeth. Happy Blur's Day, Elizabeth.

Sorry for Lil' John. Aiden says, Andrea's 11. And Aiden here wishing the happiest Blur's Day conceivably possible to my night, my 10, and my wife, Andrea. Originally from Port Townsend Cute Yeah Sally in North Bend says And that's North Bend, Washington, right? I believe so Other North Bends around the world But this is North Bend, Washington Sally says Happy 25th birthday to my oldest five, Sinclair She's in the fourth year of

of her doctoral program in applied chemistry at Colorado School of Minds. Love it. Oh, that's right. This has come up on the show before.

Yay!

Yay! Says cheers to women in STEM. Beyond proud of what she has accomplished and looking forward to her next accomplishments. Love, Mom. Happy Blurs, A. Sinclair. Sweet. Congrats. Happy Blurs. It's always amazing to hear people who are working for a living or going to school doing tough stuff.

Going to school to work for a living.

Exactly. Brooke in San Luis Abispo, Abispo, Abispo. Do I say that funny? Um, yeah. Yeah! Yeah! I would like to wish my five, Arthur, a very happy 10th birthday. Welcome to the Double Digits, buddy. We love you so much, and you completed our family when you were born a whole decade ago. Look forward to celebrating with you on our big trip. We love you mucho, love, tum, mom, brother, Oscar, and Sherlock the Cat. He's 10. I figured a 10-year-old would like that drop. Summer says, I want to wish a happy birthday to TBTL's number one pizza correspondent, Pepperoni Lloyd. Cheers to another year of health, wealth, happiness, and good food. I hope you get all of the cured meats you could ever want. Happy Blur's Day. Oh, the song breaks down a little bit. All right, we got two messages here from our pal Stephanie in Portland, whom we met at the TBTL bead-making extravaganza. Beads? Beads. Beads? Beads. Stephanie says, I want to wish my baby August a first blur. We met August at 7th party.

Oh, my gosh. August stole my heart and my wallet they've got a real kind of artful Dodger thing going yeah he just acts all cute but then he he pickpockets you

zoinks he said zoinks and your wallet was gone anyway happy one year blursy to August let's see here Stephanie says he just turned one and he's the most perfect adorable wonderful cutie honey pie baby that exists in the world at least to me obviously and I'm so annoyed that I almost forgot to blurs him I'm also so, so grateful to have him. Being a mom is pretty much the best thing that has ever happened to me outside of TBTL. I might have added that last part. August is a cool, cool dude. That's right. And Stephanie also says, I'd like to love to Blurs, my dear Jake, a.k.a. Chubby Bunny. Thank you so much for being such a wonderful, patient husband who makes my coffee every morning. I love you very much. I hope you get to have a day of doing absolutely nothing with absolutely no one except for me and cute little August. of course happy blurs day to you chubby bunny here's what i would ask august when was the last time you shit your pants been a while ask jake that as well uh ask all of our blurs day recipients today that congratulations to all of our blurs day recipients i'm really slipping into mc mode do you think i could do one of those gigs that you do congratulations to all of our blurs day

participants today you're all winners very easily it's it's a there's a there's a patter to it that you pick up pretty quickly and then yeah you're just kind of keeping the needle moving i think you could absolutely do it could i do an auction you know i couldn't do an auction i've in fact i've there have been more than a few times when people have asked me well you can also do the like do i hear 50 do i have 50 do i hear 75 or 75 and i'm always like absolutely not i cannot be trusted to keep those numbers straight and it's real money on the line like there's a you know there's a school for that that people go to in, like, Montana, Stokes Auction School.

Is it specifically for you only because you said Montana, and I was thinking about the really, really fast patter ones often has to do with, like, kind of cattle and stuff, right? Livestock. Livestock, yes.

My sense is it's probably primarily livestock, and then also you could learn, you know, I think auctioneering is auctioneering, but I'm guessing it is because of its location in Montana.

it's probably but you're bringing a different energy than you are to like sotheby's or whatever

um well sotheby's is yeah that's a whole other yeah i don't know if there's a different school for that or what but like but like the just the the being the person who's there to try to get the price to go up as high as possible for this charity and then do the thing they call the raise the paddle there's all these different i mean it's a real science the kind of science of fundraising and uh and i don't want any responsibility for that part of it so if you want to do that we could team up andrew i'll let's do it i can do the mc and you can do the the pattern you can do that part that'd be good because i'm famously good at numbers and talking

clearly so um yeah sounds like a good division of labor there all right everybody speaking of

talking we're going to do some more talking Thank you.

tomorrow. That's right. We're going to be back here with another episode of TVTL for you to close out the week. So please join us for that. In the meantime, have a great Thursday. Take care of yourselves. And please remember, no mountain too tall. And good luck to all.

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