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well all right hello good morning and welcome everyone to a monday edition of tbtl the show

that just might be too beautiful to live isn't that for techno geeks with spreadsheet

coming to you from the madrona hill studio perched high above the mighty columbia i am your host luke burbank no you don't oprah coming to you here on this wet veterans day didn't know you like to get wet though that's right it is a holiday but here we are your your friendly local podcasters bringing you episode 4334 in a collector series let the fun begin like so many of us uh who listen to the show and live in the world and have what do we call it oh brain cells i am still grappling with the new political reality that's looming for all of us and i have uh i decided something this weekend i decided on a project of personal

betterment let's take on projects that we know we can't do and do them which is making me feel

actually a little better about things or maybe a little bit, what's the word? Less terror. Maybe I'm feeling less terror because of this little plan. You know me. I love me a good project that I take on that I can't do and do them. And I'll tell you about those projects. Also, again, any levity, anything funny that happens

in the world. How funny is that? That's pretty funny.

It's welcome news right now. And there were two funny things that emerged from all places. The

national basketball association 360 spins and slam dunk pointers uh so we will uh talk about

that today and we're going to talk to this guy longest running cobro of the show oh my god maybe best known for his depictions of the tall ships he's andrew walsh he's joining me right now

good morning good morning luke i'm sorry i was writing a business email during the intro so i don't really have anything to um add to what you just said what do you wait what are you working on you said you're working on yeah some things you're becoming a new luke always you know i'm

always becoming a new luke i i'm uh in the what the last few weeks of my 75 hard ish thing that i've been doing and of course uh emphasis on the ish 75 you know you made the 75 ish announcement

when i was gone i assumed this whole time the 75 is the number of days that you're ishing

I have to do it until I'm 75 years old.

Or you have to do it until you're 75. That was my follow-up question.

Yeah, it's 75 days.

Or until you're 75 pounds.

No danger of that, my friend. Oddly enough. Because I kind of... Basically, there are two things that doing the 75 hard-ish... I have totally abandoned the second... So you're supposed to work out twice a day. I've totally abandoned the second workout. In fact, I never embraced the second workout. That just never happened for me. So what it's really meant is I've been getting up early and I've been running further than I normally would be running like I did 10 miles with Becca on Saturday because I'm going to do the Seattle half marathon. So I don't know. I don't think I've seen any great like body transformation necessarily. But I will say that the getting up early thing, I'm going to try to stick with that because I've that's been that's really helped me with some anxiety stuff. and or just feeling overwhelmed to stuff and uh and maybe i don't know if i can keep the jogging up at the kind of elevated levels but i might try that all that is to say that thing is winding down and uh it's time for me to wind up a new project uh like you andrew before we started uh recording today you mentioned that you're still not fully ready to reintegrate with like say like npr in the mornings you know morning edition you said you were listening to levitard i was listening to

Yeah, not even Levitard. I was listening to like a Levitard adjacent podcast hosted by the Stu Gots. Like, that's where I am. How are you all doing?

Well, and I'm kind of in the same place. I tried to, this morning I tried to reintegrate Morning Edition into my life, and the first story was, will Trump actually, will he actually basically destroy Obamacare, as he has promised to do? And I was like, whew, this is exactly the kind of info that I'm trying to not fully immerse myself in. Again, I want to know enough that I can be of service And I can stand up for particularly marginalized folks like I'm not I don't I don't think it's reasonable for me to completely check out of the news. But I also don't feel like I need to listen to six minutes about how basically speculation on whether or not Trump will end the ACA.

And I saw the one headline was about Stephen Miller's back in the headlines of because, of course, he would be. And I saw that. Can I just say one thing on this topic? From the band? Oh, wait, am I do I have the wrong name? No, Stephen Miller is his deputy.

Well, some people call him the space cowboy. Some people call them the gangster of love.

Who am I thinking of? Who's the awful border guy?

His name is Stephen Miller. Oh, okay. You're making a joke. Steve Miller band.

No, I understand. Okay. Like, no, it's okay that you're making jokes. I just get names wrong so often that I thought you were dogging me for getting the name wrong. And then I got really in my head about that. I was like, what?

I was just, I guess I was proposing a universe in which every time they're talking about Stephen Miller, the truly horrendous, xenophobic, awful person. they were really just talking about the gangster of love yeah and that would that steve miller's gonna play a really outsized role in this administration it would provide different

issues but better issues i would so take steve miller over steven miller every day of the week i will abra abracadabra i did without getting you totally off of your original point i did just want to say though like i either need to go in and recheck double check triple check my settings on the New York Times because I am now in that mode where when I see I have a New York Times like push notification on my phone, like a not an email, but like, you know, a news update. I swear I have it set just to breaking news. And now we're in a mode now where when I just see that little Times logo at the top of my phone, my heart starts beating heavily, you know, and I did. That's something that I'm trying to avoid the the feeling like every headline is going to destroy me. But then sometimes I open it. It's like you're going to it's from like the New York Times. this literally happened this weekend it's like from the new york times food section it's like you're gonna love this cranberry salad and i'm like you can't do that to me right now breaking news yes and also like that's not push notificationable no and not in the wake not not during and then within there's got to be at least a seven day waiting period after the election for you just to be giving me push notifications about cranberries when you know

what it does to my heart well what i've found is that i'm actually more comfortable reading the new york times and the washington post and the seattle times again because what i do is i just skip past like the first five stories on the left because they're all trump related and they all make me feel sad what i can't do and this is why i'm having a really difficult time with public radio right now is i can't control what npr has decided to put on morning edition and so and i I just know it's going to be speculation on the darkest timeline, you know, the darkest version of what could be happening in the next four years. So I've found that, like, you know, I've re-engaged with print journalism more quickly than I've re-engaged with radio, particularly public radio journalism, because I just, like I said, literally this morning, I was sort of like, well, am I going to put on music, because I've been doing that recently? And I thought, well, you know, let me just see what Morning Edition is doing, and they're like, boom, first story is, you know, is Trump going to take away everyone's healthcare? I was just like, this is starting at a very, this is rough. This is not like easing me back into it. This is the exact thing I'm trying to avoid. Okay, all that is to say, I was, over the weekend, I was doing some work here on the house, and I was like, you know, what do I do with my ears if I'm not going to put on OPB, or if I'm not going to put on, although the weekend programming is probably a little safe, a little safer than the daily programming, the weekly programming. but I was like what am I going to listen to for the next four years because it's all going to be and again if they're doing their jobs as journalists they probably have to they're probably like the daily which I fell so in love with in the last year it was my morning you know kind of regular morning listening probably 60% of the daily episodes for the next four years will be about something Donald Trump related and I do think that's probably their job to document what's going on and to analyze it so it's not even like i'm mad at them for that but i

just don't think i can live in that world so i don't know where exactly you're going with this but i just want you to know where i am right now i assume you're building up for one of the best promotions for after these messages that i've ever heard so as you're like kind of thinking what can I turn to during these dark times to bring a smile to my face and some relatable content. I assume you're going to say everybody should listen after these messages, but you go ahead and finish what you're going to say.

That's actually link in bio. That is my bio on Blue Sky is everyone should listen to after these messages. I'm ping-ponging all over here, but I will say this. i don't have a tbtl to listen to if that makes sense because we make tbtl like to the degree that this show is not for the next four years just going to be a doom scroll and that it's going to talk about funny things that happen basketball funny side up in in the in in the to the degree that that's what this show is going to be you and i i think it was i don't know if it was your description or john's on friday but it was like if you're wondering if the guys are back back to their normal content it's andrew has you know got garbage problems or whatever like to the degree that we that was like an instagram post basically just saying we're going back to the meaningless stuff that we've always talked about to the degree that that's kind of what this show does for people i'm i just would like to say you're welcome your stern isn't that because

i feel like my lebitard covers that your stern doesn't cover that well i need to read that one

i i i sort of got off the merry-go-round with not intentionally but i just lost the thread i need to go back and and check back in with it that's also very irregular they do on a good week three shows yeah and they have a lot of weeks off so it's not like i don't have something that is an hour a day that i can listen to that is going to be reliably not not depressing for me so again you're welcome america that we're doing this now could someone go start a different version of this that i can listen to is what i'd like to say um and it's called after these messages that's right but anyway i was just this this weekend i was like what am i going to do for the next four years because i am a person who listens to a ton of spoken word content and i thought well duh why don't i use the next four years to actually either read or in a pinch listen to a number of books that I've been always have always meant to engage with and never have felt like I had the time or maybe the interest. And so what did I do on Saturday, Andrew? I downloaded Infinite Jest, David Foster Wallace 64 hour audio book on audible. And I am about four hours into it i have no idea what's going on how do they handle the footnotes isn't that

one of those heavily heavily footnoted books isn't that the whole bit of that book that it's like tons of footnotes are they do they go to the footnotes right away in audio the footnotes are at

the back of the book which is addressed by dave eggers who writes the forward by the way but

wait wait you're listening though right i'm listening so that's what i'm trying to figure out so do they just save all the footnotes for the end of the recording or like in the book as well the footnotes are at the end well that's how footnotes work but like well sometimes they're on

the page yeah that's true they can be at the bottom of the page but the point is the reading

experience usually is you're somewhere in the book you're reading on page 70 whatever and then there's a footnote you're probably in that moment going to flip to the back of the book or the bottom of the page and then read the footnote there so that's my question they are they are they integrating the footnotes into the reading experience no that could be part of why i have

no idea what's going on i will tell you this i will tell you this dave eggers is forward to infinite uh i always want to call infinite guest which was the name of the first apm network that we were part of uh the dave eggers forward to infinite jest is longer than some books i've read and it's really good yeah i almost think it should be released as its own chapbook or something oh that's interesting it's well written um and it was it it it's a yeah it was just a very very well-written kind of introduction to what you're about to experience from the late, great David Foster Wallace. So here's what I'm thinking. I am going to try, and there have been, again, four hours into it, there are parts of it that are a little, there's one that, this is getting hyper-specific, you know, it's jumping between different people, you know, not every chapter. It seems like, at least early on, it's basically the story of this kid who's a tennis prodigy, but has a pretty complicated home life and it's unclear to me right now if he is in a delusion or not, if the other people are crazy or if he's crazy, but it bounces between all these different people. I have a feeling all these threads, hopefully, will sort of weave themselves together by the end of this book. There is one chapter, though, that is written, I have to assume, it's supposed to be written from the perspective of someone who is African-American, and it is heavily sort of patois, if you will. It's heavily written in David Foster Wallace's, I guess, best guess at how maybe African-American people speak about each other and to each other and you've got the guy who's been reading the book on tape sounds like a white guy to me he's doing the characters that all of a sudden he's in like

deep like you might just say black voice yeah i was like oh no don't do it to me i don't listen to a lot of books on tape but i about two summers ago when i was doing a lot of yard work here maybe when we had first moved in or something i was listening to a rather lengthy young adult novel Be honest, adult novel I'm sorry, it was written by somebody named Robert Young And he is one of the most preeminent adult novelists out there It was spicy No, I'm kind of stalling because it's a beloved author Who wrote Cavalier and Clay?

Oh, Cavalier and Clay is...

Oh my gosh I read Cavalier and Clay How did I...

It's not Jonathan Franzen.

Is it that Franzen?

Is that Franzen? It's either a Saffron Four or a Franzen, I feel.

Chabon, Chabon, Chabon. Chabon, Chabon. I forgot.

I forgot about Chabon.

Michael Chabon, I believe, wrote a book for young adults about baseball. all but it's also a um it's also like kind of a fantasy book it sort of takes place um i i believe like there are whatever there are fantasy creatures involved and sort of an alternative world again it's kind of for young people um and for some reason i think i picked up the book for free in a little free library started flipping through it realized i'm probably not going to read this but i could listen to this while i'm doing yard work so i ended up sticking with it but same deal one of the characters and i'm trying to remember if shabon wrote it this way or why it was that the and i think it was shabon who's actually doing the book on tape but he starts doing black voice like quite clearly for a fantasy creature but is that is so clearly coded as black like and like you as you described sort of a patois and i was just like uncomfortable i remember like flipping to be like when did this thing get published and would he make the same decision

today i had that exact same thought yesterday luckily that chapter was relatively short i'm hoping that that ends up being a minor character yes yes we don't get to like long long stretches of that person being part of the story because i don't it makes me very uncomfortable to listen all what i'm saying though is that i am sticking with it like even though there are parts of it that are long and kind of drawn out because something that i'm thinking about as far as you know getting through this next version of our lives together is i do think it would be useful for me to get some stuff done that I've always been meaning to get done that has been displaced by my obsessive consumption of the news moment to moment things like listening to some books that are probably be be worth you know having experienced and whether that's the quote unquote classics whether that's I don't know where infinite jest you know falls on that list it's certainly a book that that a lot of people think of very highly like I just thought you know why don't I use the next four years when I'm looking for something to listen to why don't I find a book on tape that i've been meaning to get to my whole life and get to it and that felt like just like okay wow i have something to listen to in the car now like that for whatever reason um kind of buoyed my spirits and then the other thing that i did andrew was and this is the silliest of i mean this is the the sillier of the two i ordered a like child's like a like a a child's keyboard, like Casio keyboard type of thing that comes with instructions and flashcards for how to play piano, like just very simple chords and like, I mean, it's really meant for children, and I ordered it, it's actually already shipped, it's gonna get here in a few days, and I don't have any illusions about becoming some highly talented piano player but it would be cool if i could bang out a few chords on the piano and they the technology has gotten i think so much better with the integration of like teaching software just things that just make it so much easier than the you know you're going to some kind of stern older lady's house on a tuesday afternoon and sitting at the piano and she's looming over you which i feel like is the piano lessons that a lot of people had i feel like there's just they've just gotten so many things now where it just shows you so easily like which keys to hit and stuff so i don't know i guess my thought was if at the end of this uh this really trying time that we're all going to go through if i've read some of the sort of great works of modern literature and i can play like let it be on the piano

I'll feel like a different person.

And I guess I'm being kind of serious now. What inspired the Let It Be montage?

It doesn't seem very hard, and it's kind of iconic.

No, no, not you right now, but remember, all the celebrities got together, wasn't it? Oh, it was Gal Gadot. Yeah, yeah.

That was the beginning of the pandemic.

That was the pandemic. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So you're going to bring the world together. What a bad choice.

Here's the thing. I'm not going to quote it ponderously. I just thought, you know, dun, dun, dun, dun, dun, dun, dun, dun.

You're getting better already.

I mean, I don't even have the keyboard yet.

I heard it. I mean, it's in you.

But I'm being mildly serious when I frame it this way. And I think everybody knows this instinctively. When you feel powerless and helpless, converting that into some sort of action of any kind makes you feel a little less powerless and helpless. And I'm not saying me learning three chords on the piano or getting through half of infinite jest is going to make the world a better place, but it will make me feel like a different person and it makes me feel like, okay, I've got a mission, a personal mission as it relates to me for the next however long, which is why don't I do some stuff that I've been meaning to do and see, and that made me feel a little less anxious for whatever reason. And I understand what I'm proposing is not social justice related. It's not I'm not I'm not proposing a solution to the danger of this incoming president. And I want to work on that stuff, too. But I guess I'm just reporting that ordering this little keyboard, downloading that book and listening to it. It made me feel a little less at loose ends in the world than I did on, say, Friday.

There are a lot of times I talk into this microphone and I think what I'm about to say is going to be a disaster. I've never had that feeling more strongly than I do right now, and I'm being serious about that, as I tried to describe to you a cartoon that I read the other day. So I want to be clear why I'm thinking about this, because it really sounds like I wasn't listening to you at all. And I sort of was. No, you don't, Oprah. When you were talking about playing piano, I immediately pictured you playing Great Balls of Fire. Like, I just sort of pictured you like that. Another unproblematic. Yeah, right. Yeah, right. Pop icon. I like to separate the art from the artist. But I don't want to say this in a way that sounds cruel at all, but we have to acknowledge the somewhat teasing nature with which I relay this. But I got – it's pretty rare that I get these. I got an email from my dad a couple of weeks ago that was just like one of those – it's like the most boomery kind of email you can get. It's just like it's literally a forward that was a forward of a forward. And then when you get past all the forwards, it's just a whole bunch of like it's like a whole bunch of kind of little like one panel cartoons. But they're not usually New Yorker style. They're more like Reader's Digest style. And it's just like always filled with like boomer-esque humor. It was just like it was pretty adorable. And it's just like the theme of this email was a bunch of one panel cartoons related to music or rock and roll in some way. in the cartoon that I'm going to try to describe to you now because I had to stare at it for a while before I finally got it was a patient sitting on the edge of a table talking to his doctor and the doctor says oh your nerves are shaken and your brain is rattled that sounds really bad and then the patient says yeah speaking of there's something else you got to look at which would be as great balls of fire I had to stare at it I just stare at it. I'm just like, what, what? Oh, Great Balls of Fire. Anyway, that was the joke that I was setting up. But I was listening to you too. Classic Steve Miller band. Classic. Yes.

I just sent you, by the way, Andrew, the link to the piano that I bought. It's called a Lug piano, L-O-O-G. If you get this in time, click on the link and tell me if this is not like comfort food in a piano.

Now I see, you know, I was picturing this like just sort of a black Casio that has no design. Of course, who am I talking to? I know why you bought this thing. Did this thing come across your Instagram? It's so cute looking. It's so like Instagram adorable.

I cannot answer that question on the basis that it may incriminate me.

This is euphonic because it's so cute.

I want a spoon with this piano as much as I want to play it. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

This is going to look so nice on your shelf. I'll come over and dust it for you every now and then.

it could go it could go back there behind me with all of the other failed projects do you remember

got a skateboard that's a oh man again me just quoting bad jokes from earlier generations but um i swear that's like an early simpsons joke where like bart gives up on something and homer is like very comforting he's like just throw it in the closet with your snow

snowboard and your rollerblades and everything else that you failed at um no this thing is cute as hell though but now i definitely i have a better understanding of how this came to be

i i definitely uh what the the look of it was appealing to me but also you know i think part of it is that like um speaking of the howard stern show he has he's learning how to play guitar and he is actually playing guitar on the show a lot and he's pretty bad which i found actually to be endearing because it's a very vulnerable thing like it's and he knows that he's pretty bad but he's also getting better and like from where he started i mean first of all the whole just i think i don't know if i said this on air or off air to you but this like a white guy of a certain age is like obsession with like rock riffs is just one of the things

i have the absolute least amount of patience for yes you and i were emailing back and forth about my feeling towards just anything that is labeled as like rock and roll like clearly I like music that would be in that category but I've said this on the show before in fact I think me and Jen Flash Andrews got into a we bickered about it live on stage during the 24 hour show about like I'm just basically like if your song mentions the word rock and roll I don't want that song anywhere near me like I'm done with songs that have the words rock and roll in them anything that sort of celebrates anything that would be considered the rock and roll lifestyle or aesthetic is not for me

but um it i have to say it is an it has been a kind of a the actual listening to him progress and get better at playing guitar and he's a very disciplined dude that's the thing about you know the the sort of um image of howard stern to people that never really listened to the the radio show and just saw that you know tv show that was on e is that he's he's a wild man and it's like he couldn't be less that in real life he is a very very talented painter now because he decided he wanted to learn how to paint like he is what are his paintings like by the way you're

talking about him like maybe like doing a coming on and trying to slash out a riff on his guitar are his paintings play a little joe walsh are the eagles paintings what i would expect like kind of

like they're all paintings of sammy hagar and other members of chicken foot sammy hagar's side is that really i think he's in a side bag called chicken foot um no they're actually they're they're like old barns that are falling down in the northeast and like um uh like a i think he did one of like a shoe that was really good and i think maybe some cats believe it or not like it's very very sort of hyper hyper realistic almost photograph quality and like you can google them they're on the internet but they're like they're they show a person who is actually very disciplined and when he puts his mind towards something unlike me and Bart Simpson there's not just a closet of attempted things there's like he gets really into something and then he puts in like he does his Malcolm Gladwell you know he does his 10,000 hours on it and I'm hearing him get better at the guitar yeah and if that's where it ended I would say it's a good it's a really good bit for them the problem is it invariably goes into like is Joe Satriani better than Steve Vai which is just not a conversation i care about like oh don't don't we miss leslie west from the band mountain like these are not conversations i care about but uh to the degree that maybe i can kind of get into a little bit of a zone with this keyboard and learn a few simple songs it might be and it also could fit right here andrew in front of me yeah but maybe i could i could you You know, we could start doing a thing where I accompany TBTL like I'm the organist at a Dodgers game.

As you're like about to tell me about a cartoon.

This show needs more ways to interrupt my concentration when I'm trying to form one cogent thought. That's what the show needs. you just drowned me out you just like slowly get louder and louder while i get quieter and quieter honestly i could probably use this time to get more stuff done blast away emails anyway so um i

i look forward to my new keyboard overlord what i'm trying to say is if you are feeling a little um and i think maybe a little is an understatement if you are feeling a lot sad today or a lot intimidated today by the future something that might help is to just think about something you've always meant to do and then think about if you can take a small step in that direction. Whether you even get there or whether whatever it is you embark on goes into your closet of failures, like the simple act of engaging with it makes you feel less powerless. At least it's making me feel less powerless. So that's kind of good.

Well, I spent the weekend kind of self-soothing by learning how to make gifts out of old Pink Panther cartoons. I don't know. Did you happen to Yeah.

see my uh instagram post i think you will dig these i've been putting well i'll go right now this is this honestly it was it was like a little art i go on these little projects that are like kind of not necessary for anything other than as a way for me to sort of learn my software my

various softwares a little bit better literally the first thing that popped up this is great

there's like five of them you can scroll through and what's so one thing i've been doing lately is when i'm playing darts i don't know if i told you this but i hold on let me i'm gonna come hey that's pretty good pretty good henry mancini there i love that um so you remember that old um little projector speaking of things that were kind of made for for kids and they're have kind of a cute little design to them that you bought off of instagram i bought one of those little plastic projectors for like a cheapo one for like 60 bucks or whatever a few years ago and i love putting it on in my old studio i had to kind of a more blank wall space and i would just plug that in and it would sort of just be you know we talk about uh audio spackle on this show sometimes it'd be like background images or what i call now video spackle well i've had that for a while and i haven't found a real way to integrate into my life in this new house but one thing i realized was i now sort of have a permanent place where i can set up a little laptop near my dartboard don't worry it's not in danger it's it's far enough away they're all worried i was putting i would sometimes watch a football game there or then i started thinking well i'll just put on some visual spackle like old 60s or 70s cartoons on this laptop because it's just sitting there anyway then I'm like oh I should just plug in that projector and kind of put it underneath my dartboard so while I'm playing darts I have this sort of somewhat askew little projection of whatever I want to watch and I was watching some old like kind of like German cartoons from the 1960s for a while just like weird shit and then the algorithm told me I wanted to watch some pink panther or something i don't know how i got on it but i've been the algorithm being youtube yeah i would watch all this stuff on youtube like find playlists and you have some like you

and you have somehow like muted the commercials i just mute the whole thing i'm usually listening to records so this is i guess when i'm sorry mute was the wrong word you have to see commercials is there like a carvana ad that's like bumming your vibe when you're in like deep like pink

panther territory there are different ways it sort of depends i have landed on some commercials where every now and then there will be an ad in between and i do not like that because then you have to go over there and skip it otherwise it'll go forever but honestly a lot of this pink panther stuff you can find like full playlists of the entire first season and keep in mind they were only like 10 minute cartoons or something and it'll just roll one after the other after the other or someone will just make one video of literally five and a half hours of pink panther cartoon is just bad so anyway i've just had this on in the background and some of the early animation of this stuff when it was almost just like a sketch it was like simple line drawings it was just like so goddamn cool and i started thinking like oh that could be a gif and there's something about the style of it where you could like loop it almost perfectly i sort of noticed that it just been on my mind for the past couple of weeks and then this weekend i'm like i'm gonna learn how to like download these youtube videos put them into my system and see if i can make little gifs out of them and boy was it satisfying i uploaded some of them to my instagram today i learned the one thing about blue sky is you can't upload your own animated gifs so that i can't i can't share them there yet but um anyway yeah so i really found that to be a very soothing exercise and i'll tell you what i think i'm just getting going on this although i always say that and then i drop the project like i haven't touched i haven't digitized a vhs tape in like two or three months now and then remember i was gonna digitize all my old voicemail tapes um and i I even got that a listener gave me a small like dictaphone to help me do it. And then I kind of dropped that project for a while. So I don't know how long I'll be your your number one Pink Panther gift creator. But for right now, I'm right here for you.

I hope you continue just the the look, these little things that you these little gifts that you made, just the look of it. Now, this makes me want to go on a Fritz Frehling like adventure. I guess there's a documentary about him, about Fritz Freiling, who who is kind of was the creative force behind that look of the Pink Panther stuff. And a bunch of I mean, he was like a very famous animator for Warner Brothers and all these. He did tons of stuff. But I didn't realize he was also the person that's kind of credited with being in charge of the the look of the Pink Panther stuff.

See, I only when you said that name, I thought you were just seeing it in the credits right there. See, I only know that I didn't have that context for it. I've just been seeing that name a lot lately in the credits. So I didn't realize that he was just he was so famous that I would I should definitely check out that document.

Yeah, he was like a Looney Tunes, like a lot of the best like Looney Tunes stuff was him. Like he was just an absolute legend. I could just born in Kansas City, Missouri, by the way. Shout out to our listeners in Kansas City. There should be a museum of Fritz Frayling there as far as I'm concerned. Maybe there is. And there probably is. is actually um anyway i i hope you keep doing that andrew because i'm in love i feel like that's like pink panther core that's stylistically where i want to live for the next four years i want to learn how to play piano or yes i want to just be dressed like one of those weird little creatures like a long raincoat and a hat and a pointy nose and like i'm into i'm very into that like again we overuse this word but just that sort of aesthetic i guess you know what pink panther

said when he stepped on an ant um what dead ant dead ant thank you for being a tan for instance andrew i'll be able to play this song pretty soon

oh yeah but then but then lean he'll be out of work oh yeah you know what i'll make sure to not learn the golden girls the special modified golden girl song for tbtl just i'll leave that to the professionals, like our friend

Celine. I love the way I have delusions that were the one keeping Celine working. And also that I

would ever be able to learn this song.

I believe that you could learn this song, but I believe Leni charged us a bracelet for this special

custom music. I did make the bracelet, though. Were you surprised I came

through? And I still have it here. I've been texting with Celine. I said, I haven't seen you in so long. I'm sorry. You just want me to mail this? And she said, you know what? I'm going to be a pain here. I'm going to force you to give it to me in person Because sometimes being a friend means also just having to guilt people into hanging out with you. And I said, you know what? That is fair enough. I will see you soon, my friend.

Does she know that you figured out how to play Pink Panther near your dartboard? You're never leaving the house. Never leaving the house. You've fully created the best part of a bar experience without having to actually go anywhere now. You've got silent films running. You've got your music. You're throwing your darts. You've got your drinks. You're set.

Actually you know what While we're here Since I got us off track Let me do this Since Leanie has been So good to us In so many ways Let me promote Her upcoming show Which I'm really excited To go to On November 23rd Rabbit Box Theater Celine who's the You know Creative force behind Prom Queen And Leanie And other projects That we love Has a new project Snacks Snacks the Bunny Wait I mean maybe She's the manager Of Snacks the Bunny Yeah she's friends With Snacks the Bunny Whoa you just Almost blew my mind For a second But she has a new project called stargazer that she is she's um collaborating with other local musicians who i don't have their names in front of me but people in projects that you would be familiar with anyway stargazer um they're performing their very first show at the rabbit box theater november 23rd i will be there i believe that's a saturday and everybody should come out and support leanie

because she is amazing absolutely amazing as is sarah beth rebholz of middleton wisconsin our Our first donor that we're thanking today. Sarah Beth is supporting TBTL with a donation. Thank you so much. Thanks also to Steve Cordley, who's in Bellevue, Washington. Beautiful Bellevue, Washington. Lisa Perry checking in from Oxford, Massachusetts. You thought I was going to say Ohio, Andrew.

I thought you were going to say Great Britain, Luke. Uh-huh.

Yeah. It's neither of those two. It's Massachusetts. That's where Lisa is. Thank you. Thanks to Sarah Templeton. And Sarah's in Portland, Oregon.

Hey, thank you, Sarah.

I love that town. I love that place. We've got a new mayor in Portland, Oregon, interestingly enough, who says he is going to fix everything in Portland in one year. Oh, nice. And I welcome him to do that. We'll see if it works. You know, Portland did this ranked choice thing this year. Oh, yeah.

They ended up with a really good pizza, I heard.

Well, that's the thing. it's it's so it it means that it's not just the sort of the traditional you vote for one candidate over the other what it means is that the guy who became mayor of portland seemed to be a complete shock to everyone including him i think his name is like keith is it keith wilson i think is his name and like i met him because i i i hosted this kind of non-partisan like portland political thing a few weeks ago, which had all of the mayoral candidates, all of the city council candidates. And this guy seemed like a nice enough chap and, you know, whatever. But I don't know. I wouldn't have picked him out of the eight people to say, this is the dude that's going to get the gig. I think it, again, this rank choice thing, I don't know if it's good or bad, but it certainly created an outcome that seems like no one saw coming.

Including the candidate. Including the candidate.

I think he was as surprised as anyone. Anyway.

He's like the Volinsky of, well, that's a bad comparison. He's like the Vladimir Zelinsky of Portland. Wasn't Zelinsky just like a comedian that everybody was surprised at?

I think I heard him described as like the Jon Stewart of Ukraine like before, you know, before the war and everything and when he became, is he president? I was going to say president.

I was going to say president. But I think.

i already messed up his last name once so i'm out of i'm out over my skis here uh thank you sarah thanks to ann piquino of everett washington thank you and a long time i know that we never well maybe you did nail the name we never feel confident about how we're saying ann's last name

but i'm confident but we're appreciative yes that she's been supporting the show for a long long time because that's a familiar name and a familiar friend of the show thank you absolutely thanks

and then douglas prindle is in bothell washington once you pop you can't stop that's right you once you pop for a day or a lifetime thank you douglas thanks to all of our donors for making tbtl possible

we couldn't do this without you hello and welcome to top story all right andrew um you and i um

are not particularly close NBA followers. I know it's not historically been a thing you were super engaged with. And for me, it was when the NBA let the Seattle Sonics move out of Seattle. I was very, very heartbroken and have kind of been 50% protest voting with my feet and my dollars and my eyes since then of not engaging. But I do really like the Milwaukee Bucks player, Giannis, and you might have to help me with the pronunciation because I'm still bad at this. Antetokounmpo?

No, this is one of those words that I can say in my head, and I'm always proud because I hear it talked about so much on the Levitarcho, or he's talked about so much on the Levitarcho. Or Giannis. We'll just call him Giannis. But when I go to say it myself, I stumble on it. I'm always so mad because I feel like in my head, in my head, I know exactly how to say it. Antetokounmpo? Antetokounmpo. Oh, Antetokounmpo.

There you go. That was good.

I think I'm close there.

I think I might be missing it, but that's very clear. Giannis Antetokounmpo. I love this guy so much. There's so many kind of great stories about him. In his rookie year, he got a ride to the game from some fans, like a random middle-aged husband and wife, because I think he was trying to go to the cash machine, but I don't know if he didn't have a car. They literally just saw him jogging down the street, and they were like, aren't you supposed to be at the game? And he's like, yeah, can I get a ride? And I think he sort of maintained some little bit of contact with these people. They were kind of friendly a little bit or whatever. He just seems, every time I see an interview with him or hear something about him, I just love the guy so much. I think he's from Greece originally. Anyway, he was in a game, was the Bucs against the Boston Celtics this weekend. And he drove the lane and I guess elbowed a Celtics player named Jalen Brown. And he got called for an offensive foul. and then as he was running back he reached out to shake hands with Jalen Brown and as Jalen Brown reached for Giannis's hand Giannis pulled it back and fixed his own hair oh my god oh my god in the middle of the game on the court and then just started laughing he totally did a like psych like in the middle of an NBA game and when they asked Jalen Brown about it after the game he said uh Giannis is a child he said uh yeah he said Giannis is a let's see I'm trying to find the exact quote here yeah Brown said Giannis is a child I'm just focused on helping my team get a win and that's what we did tonight but when you watch the tape of Giannis doing this like too slow yeah too slow Joe it is the most heartwarming childlike and I mean that in the best way like it it seriously brightened my entire morning watching Giannis do this like I love it so much

I wish the other player who's the other player I don't think I'm Jalen Brown oh Jalen Brown I've

heard that based on just this reading and I don't know if if this is true or not there this was a Matt Gagin writing uh for CBS Sports something about how Jalen Brown is a deeply serious player uh-huh oh wow he's just not about it's just a bad about the jokes that's a bad because I was

and say that would be fun I mean maybe I would feel differently if I was passionately rooting for for one of the teams but like there's something about I'm trying to figure out because I'm going to give an example here I'm going to give sort of an analog and I worry that I'm going to talk myself out of this argument but it would have been fun in this instance I think as somebody who's not a huge fan of either one of these teams if the other player who just sort of got dissed also laughed about it and said yeah yeah we're all that would be fun however I know that you specifically don't like when you see that because sometimes like people will goof on julio rodriguez right our mariners uh center fielder who's a really really good center fielder and will steal home runs out there at the wall all the time and sometimes he even like one time he did this thing where he um caught the ball but he pretended he didn't and then flashed the ball which was like really kind of like that kind of breaks the old school sort of norms of baseball or whatever but then I've seen other

players like sort of goof on him when they steal his home runs like if he's you know at the plate or whatever and then he hits one out the center field and they get stolen I've seen other players who are playing that position sort of like imitate him or sort of like throw it back in his face his little things and he has a great attitude about it I think about it all the time he's like okay I see you and he'll point and he'll laugh at the ridiculousness of somebody kind of goofing on him a little bit and I think to myself always man I wish I could take a joke like that and I also wish stop smiling and get back to work you're not very good this year you know what i mean it's really hard when you see somebody on your team taking an insult in stride but they're not doing very well

it's easy to get butthurt about that i would say the difference is this was one play in the midst of a larger game whereas the particular thing you're talking about was i think the maybe the end of the game or a really critical moment where the guy went and snatched the ball away and then did the no fly zone thing at Julio like so in other words if this was like a three-pointer as time expired in this game and I'm a fan of one of the teams my my tolerance for the sort of jocularity and joking around kind of goes down whereas if it's like midway through the second quarter and it's just one play where they call an offensive foul on Giannis you know what I mean so that's part of it is like or if it was a football game and it's the critical play and then the guy who from the seahawks was involved geno throws an interception and then he's like the guy who intercepted it fake high fives him by the way did you see that a guy who made interception this weekend did a fake ray gun break dance in the end zone which i

thought was pretty pretty awesome that is pretty great he fully redid ray guns he redid ray guns olympics dance performance oh my god i gotta look that up and it's great because the guy's like a

The guy's like a cornerback or a safety. So, I mean, the chances that he would get to use that are pretty low. He's not like a running back. He's not like a guy who's going to score a touchdown or a receiver who gets targeted a lot.

Like, he had to, like, he really had to keep this in his back pocket. I don't think there's any sound on this, right? I mean, no useful sound. I think this is like a cell phone camera from taking from somebody on the field.

I'm guessing that the announcers, if there were any, didn't put it together, that that's what he was doing at first.

Yeah, and I don't think that this is broadcast film. I'm watching here, it looks like it's on a cell phone, you know, like from somebody who had sideline access, but it's wonderful. At first, you can't tell what he's doing until he gets on the ground and he starts squirming around like a worm. I love it.

And again, I love that this guy, I mean, this is a guy who does not, unless he gets an interception, he doesn't get to do this dance very much. Like, it's not like he's a receiver who's going to probably get a touchdown maybe most weeks or whatever. So I like that he was this prepared. Oh, I love it.

Let's name him. It looks like it's Cameron Bynum, if I'm saying that correctly, of the Vikings.

Oh, yeah, and he's a Viking, too, which we stan. Yeah. Skull. We stan the Vikings. Anyway, the funny thing is, later in the game, Giannis tried to shake, tried to do another high five with Jalen Brown, and Jalen Brown refused to interact with him.

Of course. I mean, what do you think Giannis—

Fool me twice, I won't get fooled again.

What do you think Giannis does there? What if Brown had gone ahead?

I think he really shakes his hand there.

I think he really shakes his hand the second time.

But Jalen Brown wasn't going to risk it.

No, no, you can't. Boy, that is really how—and again, this is all done in fun, and it doesn't matter. but that is really how the bully gets the upper hand, right? Yes. Just by setting the tone and setting the rules.

I am generally not a fan of what you would describe as bullying behavior, except both of these men are in the National Basketball Association. Yes, exactly. So I don't feel like it's not your typical bully situation, because Jalen Brown is also a physical specimen of high accomplishment when it comes to getting into the NBA. This was the other thing that I saw from, I don't know if it was this weekend or when this actually went down, but the New Orleans Pelicans were having one of those little kind of sort of contests during a break, you know, like maybe a timeout or in between quarters or even the half, where they pick a fan out of the audience and they let him stand at the free throw line. And they've got, you know, the ball racks. He's got a bunch of basketballs ready to go. And apparently the thing that was going to make this kind of entertaining is And the guy's job is not to shoot the ball into the basket like a typical free throw, right? He is supposed to bounce the ball on the court and then try to bounce it up and into the basket.

Oh, wow. And he's standing half court? No, he's standing.

No, he's standing at the free throw line. He's pretty close. Oh, okay. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So he's just, he's like, it's like, imagine a player just standing at the free throw line. But this is like a fan. We know that his name is Will.

Okay.

And so Will is supposed to see how many balls he can bounce on the floor and then up into the hoop in, say, whatever it is, 30 seconds.

Can I ask you a question?

question you sure can do are they picking these fans out of the crowd randomly the night of or do you know that you are the fan who's going to do this this night and you can practice for a week

or something i believe that this fan is picked randomly he's in street clothes okay he's not like in you know basketball shorts like i think he just i think he was picked that night okay And it is clear that Will did not internalize the rules of the contest because at no time does he try to bounce the ball off the floor and into the hoop. He proceeds to just shoot free throws for the entire 30 seconds over the protestations of the guy who's on the microphone trying to lead this whole thing. There's always some hype guy who's running around announcing these contests. Take a listen to this. This is a guy named Will during a break at a New Orleans Pelicans game just absolutely misunderstanding the assignment.

One, go. No, wait, it's not a free throw. You've got to do a bounce pass. You've got to do a bounce it. Will, you've got to bounce it. Will, you have to bounce it. You have to bounce it into the basket. You have to bounce it. Yes, you do. And you have less than 15 seconds to do it. Nope. Oh, boy.

well this is embarrassing at no time does will adjust what he is doing he just continues to shoot these free throws like the normal way and not ever bounce the ball you gotta bounce it

no okay this is not you have oh you gotta bounce it will we're about to go viral right now we are We're about to go viral. We're about to go viral.

Will, you've got to bounce it. Go.

No, wait. It's not a free throw. You've got to do a bounce pass. You've got to do a bounce it. Will, you've got to bounce it. Will, you have to bounce it. You have to bounce it into the basket. You have to bounce it. Yes, you do. And you have less than 15 seconds to do it. Nope. Oh, boy. Well, this is embarrassing. Will, you've got to bounce it. Nope. Okay. This is not... You have... Oh. You've got to bounce. It's Will. We're about to go viral right now. We are about to go viral.

By the way, that doesn't not sound like Keegan-Michael Key.

Yeah, it does a little. I didn't hear it. Will, you got to say it. It's just Jordan Peele playing Will. Will. I don't even know how to describe the tone of voice, like reproachful, I guess, in a certain way. But certainly, like you're talking to a child who is just not listening. Here's what I think is happening, though. And I don't have the visuals to go along with that. I just know what you've told me here and what I just heard. but I wonder if in that moment your adrenaline is firing through your body so quickly you aren't even hearing the announcer. You're just hearing some sort of a roar of sound in your ears while you are just desperately trying to make a free throw, not realizing that that is not, as you say, the assignment.

That's exactly my theory of the case, is that Will, from the moment they picked his number or his ticket section or whatever, from the moment that he stepped onto that court he stopped being able to interpret human sounds like and i've been in like i guess the closest i've i've been to that was like when i threw out that pitch at the mariners game sure um and i just remember my whole like my knees felt weak my body was i felt totally out of my body and there was like my wigs and and also uh my my arms and my wigs like and and there was i don't know there was like a thousand people in the stadium and most of them were tens by the way at that time like it was it was such a it should have been a relatively low pressure situation but i just remember feeling so overwhelmed and and just like again like just totally out of body and i all i can think is will must have just been so out of his body that he's because he's he is not registering at all that the announcer keeps

telling him to bounce it will we're bouncing well will we have one go no wait it's not a free throw you got to do a bounce pass you got to do bounce it will you gotta bounce it will you have to bounce it you have to bounce it into the basket you have to bounce it yes you do and you have less than 15 seconds to it nope oh boy well this is embarrassing will you gotta bounce it nope okay this is not No, okay. Oh, you got a bounce. It will. We're about to go viral right now. We are about to go viral.

Here I go once again with the email. Every week, I hope that it's from a female. Oh, man. It's not from a female.

Even though it's Veterans Day, Andrew, we've got a busy day around here. Like, I've got the IKEA. hopefully the ikea people coming to pick up this partially assembled malm which i'm

really really stressed about like yeah like i've got andrew levels of stress over this because beat to hell the person on the phone i did not beat it to hell for the record but it definitely has no purpose going forward like by the time this by the time it gets to the because it's not fully assembled like half of it is assembled now and then the other half is back in the box and by the time it gets to ikea hq there's nobody that wants to buy a half-assembled malm like it just it has it has no value to them but the person on the phone assured me that it was okay to return it this way so that's what i'm gonna do but i also feel like the person who's coming to pick it up is not the person i talked to on the phone i'm already like i'm i'm already sort of setting up my case to the person who's gonna look at it and go what do you i can't i'm gonna just take this back and just like give it to the ikea in portland and what are they gonna do i go i don't know dude that's what they told me on ask jeeves that's what they told me on the phone So that's happening. I'm getting some other thing delivered today by FedEx. I don't even know what it is, but I know it weighs 93 pounds.

That keyboard you bought is bigger than you thought. Oh, shit. Wait, for real? You have something coming that is listed as a 93-pound package, and you don't know what it is?

What happens sometimes, because I'm putting this bathroom in, what used to be the kitchen in my house is now going to become a bathroom, and it's all like it's just a hollow shell of a room now but it's been plumbed like for the toilet and the shower and everything and i need to i ordered like a shower kit which is basically like a shower pan and then these glass walls that's going to be like a shower you just step into um so that's been ordered uh there's some i've ordered uh a new like um thing to go in the closet that's smaller that's supposed to fit i have all these orders that are out but the problem is sometimes these companies um they they subcontracted out to like fedex so i just get this update from fedex they're like your delivery will be there on monday and i'm like what is the delivery i just know it's coming from ontario california and it weighs 93 pounds man well if

you get one randomly that says we couldn't deliver your package click this link don't do it i mean you get those all the time too right like i get spam text messages all the time pretty smart that say you know hey this is the usps we couldn't deliver your package click here and i'm just like you know i i don't fall for it but the idea is that you're like what wait i have a package that is supposed to be delivered and like i i could like i don't usually i don't have so much stuff out on a line that i wouldn't remember that i'm having something delivered you know i'd be like

is that the record or is it this you know i have this thing coming from west elm which it might be yeah yeah i don't know but it's like also the thing that's weird is the ikea thing is set up as a delivery even though they're taking something away oh i'm getting these updates from ikea like we're doing your delivery today between 11 and 3 i'm like i think what you're doing is taking away a malm but i just i'm guessing that the system it shows up the same way yeah but there's just a lot of and all of this logistics is now so farmed out to these third parties that you know so anyway Busy Veterans Day around here. If I sound a little distracted, it's because I'm keeping one eye on the driveway to see when they pull up. But anyway, emails or emails?

Yeah, let me play one voicemail for you here. And this is something that you and I actually introduced on the show what seems like a lifetime ago. I think it was maybe early last week. And this was a voicemail that I haven't even listened to yet. I know it's from listener Jill in Lakewood, Ohio, and I know that it involves Frankie Valli. Help me set this up, Luke. We were talking about the fact that Frankie Valli, who is now like quite elderly, right? Like is he in the maybe late 80s or something? And he's still going out and he's touring. Or is he just – does he have a residency somewhere? He's still doing shows. I think he's touring. He's touring. And it's very clear that the notes that you are hearing if you were in the audience are not actually coming from this man's body anymore. There's just no way. and um you had told this story on the show and then it wasn't until later that i watched videos to understand like oh how eerie this experience is to see these these videos that people take from the audience of him and i'm not trying to be cruel but it's just kind of like you see him just sort of looking almost like kind of dazed and out of it and barely kind of moving his face very much but then you hear the sounds of the is it was it the four seasons um yes uh he's 90 by He's 90, and it's just like, there's no way that's coming out of him.

And if I can just clarify the thing that we said last time. By the way, as a 90-year-old, we all should hope and pray we look as good as Frankie Valli does and seem as, like, for 90, Frankie Valli is killing it. Just like as a 90-year-old in the world, it would appear. Now, as far as a person who is trying to portray that they're singing these songs with the vigor he had at age 45 it's not really working it's it's he's because he's not even

Again, I don't want to sound like I'm roasting old Frankie Valli, but it does have the effect of a Chuck E. Cheese animatronic thing that's kind of going slightly awry.

That isn't even quite up to snuff. Now, here's the deal. Like I mentioned, I have not heard Jill's voicemail. I don't know exactly what she has to say about this. But I was able to sort of scan the auto transcript. And I think the one thing I know is Jill says that she's been to a show and it is a trip.

Hey, friendos. It's Jill from Lakewood, Ohio. I am time bandaging, so I wanted to get in on some Frankie Valli talk. I actually saw Frankie Valli on tour in September 2022. He came through Cleveland, and my mom was in town, and we thought, well, you know, that's something my mom might like to do. He's at Playhouse Square, which is a big theater conglomeration, playing at the Connor Palace, which seats 2,800 people. We could not get three seats together. It was that crowded. uh this show was so weird first off you knew that frankie valley was lip syncing and he was kind of walking around a little bit here and there and he looked i mean he looked good for his age and then he had backup singers who were bless their hearts hanging their little hearts out and but they all look like hey we have a job isn't this great he changed to a fancy glittery sequined uh scarf for his suit or glittery suit jacket for the second half because he started out with grease. Everyone went nuts again. The audience was full of older people who were using a variety of canes and walkers, and that was hard to get in and out of the theater. That was his target audience, of course. You had people around our age who were accompanying said older people And then you had, like, people middle-aged and younger, like in their 20s, who were there on their own. And there was a woman in her 20s, looked like, who knew all the words to all his songs. It was amazing. We didn't understand what was going on and how he was such a big draw. Maybe it was Cleveland, Ohio. Who knows? Getting out of the theater took forever because of said elderly component and canes and walkers. And then some people down a few rows ahead of us got so drunk, they almost called an ambulance because they couldn't get them out of the theater. It was the weirdest show I've ever been to. Frankie Valli, I don't know what he does to people, but he does something.

That's your new intro. I don't know what he does to people, but he does something.

No, I don't know why that looped on me. My machine seems to be looping audio now. Sorry about that. But, yeah, that is fascinating.

I can definitely see this, like, you know, if you're somebody who, like, kind of grew up listening to Frankie Valli, the idea that he's still out in the world making this music that means so much to you, particularly if you're, like, maybe an older person, that they're, I could see that being a really fun kind of nostalgic experience. And, I mean, by all accounts, he's getting good turnout at these shows. I wonder if there's a way for them to present him so that it's more convincing, right? Like, that's the thing. I think everybody just wants to kind of revel in the fact that, like, these—and again, Frankie Valli's had, like, a crazy career from the song Grease to all the four-season stuff to Jersey Boys is about him, that, like, really big, you know, Broadway hit that's now toured endlessly in kind of more regional capacity. so like it's a fun thing for people to go out particularly probably people of a certain age to just like be like yeah Frankie Valli is still doing this and that means that you know I'm still engaged with life in a way that I find really positive I just wonder if there's a way for them to like like set him up for more success also maybe part of the thought is this audience is no longer possessing the greatest eyesight so therefore like it's less of a big deal how convincing it is whether he's singing or not because let's just say the likelihood is if someone's in their 80s and they're sitting 20 rows back they may be less keyed in on the exact

movements of his mouth sure yeah it might not be applying the same cynical lens that maybe um somebody like i might be applying to it certainly i mean they could almost i love that there are young people there too she said there's a pretty young contingent i could see that i mean i love that there were drunk people there that were so drunk they wouldn't leave yeah yeah i mean i'm somebody like i'm not really into the four season style of music but like i definitely love music from that era like my love of kick see radio before it sort of like kind of changed over the course of the past year and a half or so like when it was truly like early or let's say early to mid 60s like sock hoppy and pop and all that stuff like i unironically loved that music and love that music and so i i let you know i'm not in my 20s obvious Thank you.

but i love the fact that other people are drawn to music from that era even if they didn't

necessarily live through it absolutely and again no yums yucked if you if somebody went to a frank valley show and they had a great time you know that's awesome i'm really glad that happened i'm just i wonder what because it became such a sort of a thing on like tiktok and stuff because like so many people have now kind of commented on it i wonder if they'll continue putting that i mean there's also a lot of jobs on the line right like um was it jill in ohio yeah said that like there was a lot of people on stage who looked like they were enjoying the fact that they have professional singing jobs yeah yeah yeah which is another way to look at it too like whatever frankie valley's thing is there's there's got to be like a couple hundred people who are this is their profession is supporting this project and if frankie valley decides to hang it up they will have to go look for work elsewhere so there you know there's a point at which he's kind of supporting this whole you know this whole crew in a way um and uh you know so maybe he's maybe he's maybe he knows he's not really fooling anyone but he's he's um you know doing it because he wants to keep everybody

employed he's trying yeah he's entertaining he's performing he's entertaining i mean there are much younger musicians who are aided with their vocals for some of these elaborate uh performances i don't exactly know who it is but i mean i definitely know like i i'm only well we should wrap up the show if you're waiting for your mom home um don't tell mom waiting for the mom waiting for the mom i like don't tell mom my doors impression i think you didn't hear my joke twice or you don't like it oh i'm sorry no what did you say don't tell mom the babysitter's dance no i didn't hear it and that's real good i think that might be the show title um but um i uh uh i don't know what i oh i sometimes i'm confused as to whether or not we're supposed to believe people are actually singing during the super bowl or if that swings back and forth because i remember was it last year or the year before there was some you know iconic singer and she was singing and you could sort of i think even at times hear her being a little bit out of breath from the performance but then there are other times you're just like but there's no way you're actually making those sounds with your mouth and i'm not sure that we are supposed to

care about that right or is it i think that they're supposed to be like i'm thinking of usher i could hear in his voice like the a little bit of like if he had done a particularly like a vigorous dance move you could yeah kind of hear it in his voice you know and like yeah i i think that they're supposed to be singing okay like i don't think that they're

supposed to be lip-syncing nobody ever lip-syncs to the well i don't i can't say uh you know

So empirically, what I can say is, and this is only after you've eaten your TBTL, I can highly recommend Jamie Loftus' great podcast called Your 16th Minute of Fame, where she does a whole episode about Left Shark from the Super Bowl halftime show.

I'm so glad you brought that up. I was going to say, I still think Katy Perry's might be my favorite halftime show of all time that I saw live.

but like I mean this is why this show that Jamie does your 16th minute is so great because what it ends up being is a meditation on the Super Bowl halftime shows and the evolution of because it used to just be for up until not that long ago the Super Bowl halftime show was marching bands Disney used to buy it out a lot so it'd be like salute to Epcot or some shit the first solo performer to do the entire Super Bowl halftime show by themselves so the first person to be like the super bowl entertainment was a a guy named elvis presto who was an a magician dressed as elvis that was doing magic on state or at the midfield of the super bowl the problem was the guy who was booked to be elvis presto got a like a lee jeans commercial three days before the super bowl and took that so the guy who was the choreographer of Elvis presto had to play Elvis presto and was not an Elvis lookalike was not a magician and did this whole halftime show in three days of prep as Elvis presto and are you allowed

to steal somebody else's character like that like also well he was the choreographer for it he was

he was the most logical person to do because he had been training the real Elvis presto on the

dance moves yeah but still though but let's say I'm trying to think like can somebody can I just go out and you know can can like somebody who helps neil hamburger just go out and be neil i mean there must be an agreement like elvis presto must allowed this guy to do it right

i don't i don't even know if elvis presto was a real person before this like i wonder if they booked they hired someone to be elvis presto interesting i don't know but here's what i do know they didn't have the rights to any elvis music because guess what yeah the whole elvis presto halftime show featured zero music.

from Elvis Presley because he was too expensive it's all like great balls of fire to bring it back to where the show started it's like and this is all in Jamie's amazing episode I just please go listen to it it's so great but it's just like it's the it's the wildest thing that you just had this guy this random dude now pretending to be this Elvis magician at halftime who's also doing this whole performance to zero Elvis music and that's what it used to be that used to be like that that was acceptable for the halftime show i like to think there was

a baby born somewhere and his parents named him elvis presto and he grew up to say you know what i just got to make i was born with this name elvis presto i need to make the most of it i will become an elvis impersonator who does magic tricks that's probably that's how i see

chicago morn you can't do that you don't know the baby child is born elvis presto It's going to be so much better when I have my keys

Oh, good God

Keys, keys, keys, keys on Van Nuys Did you live in LA long enough to get keys on Van Nuys?

I don't think so I think I've heard you reference that before

There was some car dealership called keys on Van Nuys But they used to have some pretty great radio commercials Alright, that's going to do it for today's show But, guess what? We're going to be back here tomorrow With more imaginary radio So please do hang out with us for that. In the meantime, have a great Monday. Happy Veterans Day or a solemn Veterans Day or whatever we do on Veterans Day. And in the meantime, we'll see you tomorrow. Please remember, no mountain too tall.

And good luck to all.

Hi, guys. Molly from Columbus, Ohio. I just want to tell you I have been on a media blackout all week. And just like everybody else, I don't know how I'm going to move forward with all of the avenues of distraction not available to me anymore. But yours was the first podcast I took back into today on Friday. And I have to tell you, you helped so much. You are sorting through the same things I'm sorting through in my head. And it really is helping move forward. just like in 2016 only this is different you really have helped and i i'm so grateful for you being there so keep it up feels like the bad guys are winning but there are still plenty good guys out there and you're too. Thank you so much. Power out.