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I say, I say, what up, dawg? Let the fun begin. That's a tuna, bro. This comes out to all the coffee lovers of the world. I just love hot Cheetos! That's my wife. Ooh la la! Go Browns. Jalapena!

Ba-ding!

Uh-uh. Get off my car. Don't miss the sausage fest.

If we wanted to, we could have our own business. No, I agree. If we really wanted to, we could. It's just that, do we want to do that? Do we want to have a website and a blog and be like, this is what we did today? No, it's too much work. Yeah. And too expensive.

Wow, you're really good at puzzles.

I did them all the time as a kid. kid. As my mom used to say, when you're doing a puzzle, it's like having a thousand friends.

You know, Johnny, I just don't know how you do it. Do what? A four-hour show every morning.

Just talking to the mic and your voice goes out through the wires. Once a week, whether you need it or not, somebody comes in here and gives you a check for $38. Have a good show, dummy. It's

what you do is so important. Well, all right. Hello, good morning, and welcome everyone to a wednesday edition of tbtl the show that just might be too beautiful to live i have been pitying

fools for 28 years bill and it's never personal my name is luke burbank i am your host who the

hell is that coming to you from the madrona hill studio perched high above the mighty columbia where uh we are still assessing the situation after a big old storm moved through here

Oh, my God!

A bomb cyclone. It was dabomb.com. And messed up a lot of things in various parts of the Pacific Northwest. Crazy weather happening. It is always 67 degrees with a 40% chance of rain. Always. The good news is we do have power here in the Madrona Hill studio, so we can bring you episode 4,341 in a collector's series.

Let the fun begin.

And along with the weather update, we've got food news. Welcome to Food News Today. Two different stories, interesting stories, I'll say, that are food related that involve different guys named Keith. One of them involving a restaurant review that went so awry. It was literally a major disaster. That the restaurants have now closed down. and the crazy thing is the review was a positive one we'll explain coming up and we'll talk to this guy longest running co-bro of the show may be best known for his depictions of the tall ships he was king of the tuck tuck sound he's andrew walsh and he's joining me right now a good morning

my friend boy that cat could blow i'm just thinking of the tuck tuck sound but i'm also thinking about old man winter blowing through the trees and knocking down power stations last night

Do you think of it as Old Man Winter or Old Man Fall? We never say Old Man Fall. Why don't we say that?

Is it fall or winter? I guess it's technically fall right now. No, I don't actually know.

I'm bad at that kind of stuff.

You know, I'm bad at that kind of stuff, too. I just sort of chunk the calendar up in certain ways that appeases me.

It's basically your birthday and then 364 other meaningless days.

That's how I look at it. I mean, the world is a celebration of me so far as I can tell. But I just think, like, late November just feels like winter to me. It's late November. You know, if we can't call late November winter anymore, Luke, what are we even doing? I mean, you can't say anything anymore about late November.

That's what I'm saying. Honestly, that's why the Democrats lost.

I don't feel like I set us up for success with my intro today. Should I start by talking about something else? I was putting on lotion while we were talking. You want to talk about that?

Actually, that's worse. Yeah, okay. Let's get back to old man winter.

No, you know what? here this this will be interesting to you baby maybe this will save the conversation a little bit um i had some lotion on my uh on my table here in my studio as i often do because i like to like to keep my hands moist and um i have a service worker coming over later to look at our plumbing i guess you would call them a plumber i think you'd call them a plumber i don't like

i don't like the lotion and service yeah i don't know why i said it that way these words

Nothing's going right for me today Old man lotion strikes again Old man, oh there's your show title Right there But anyway, I actually, I was cleaning up a little bit Not excessively, but just a little bit Maybe putting some joints away And other things that might just like You know, if a plumber's coming over They don't have to see how you spent your evening And I was kind of like, you know what, put the

maybe maybe take the lotion off your desk like that just seems like kind of a weird like i don't know just like just hey this is where i work and here's my big bottle of lotion next to me but then as you were reading your intro i was like you know what i really need that lotion my hands are really dry so i don't know if you noticed i don't think you have the camera on me when you're uh when you're doing your intro but uh right during the the sound montage today i ran out of the room as fast as i possibly could i grabbed the lotion i put it back on my desk because, damn it, there's no shame in this game. I mean, listen, there's shame in every game I play. There's a lot of shame. There's a lot of shame, but I'm glad I have it, and now my hands are moist, and they smell wonderful.

Do you mind sharing what is going on with your plumbing, and is it related to the bomb cyclone?

It is not related to the bomb cyclone. I don't mind talking about my plumbing. I hesitated there because I was trying to figure out. I literally was like, I have three choices. I can answer the question directly. I can try to make a Nixon-era joke, or I can make a... Oh, the plumbers? Yeah, like an inside... The Watergate joke? Like my gutty works plumbing. And then I'm like, well, I can do a Nixon thing here. This all happened in a split second. And I was like, I can do a Nixon thing here. And it turns out, I couldn't. And so that was my hesitation. What's going on really with my actual plumbing here in my house is something that I have purposely not brought up on the show before because I figured it was evidence of an underlying major issue that I didn't want all the listeners to get on my back about because I already had enough anxiety about it. But it might end up having a happy ending after all. You could make a lotion joke there if you'd like.

Old man lotion in his happy endings.

That is not a show title. But we have had something going on in our house for a while now, but very, very sporadically. Since we've moved in here, this has maybe happened four times, maybe five times with the latest event. But every now and then in my basement bathtub, I would just come in at a random time, turn on the lights, and see that there had been some sort of backflow up into my bathtub, which is obviously very gross and usually means there's a clog probably in a sewer line somewhere. And the first time I saw it, I was like, oh, no, because I have these memories of a landlord dealing with something kind of similar to this in an apartment I lived in, and that ended up being a major construction project that probably cost him $10,000 or something. And I was like, oh, no, we have one of those. And I just kind of cleaned it all out, and I was like, let's just keep an eye on this. And I told Vives about it.

Nobody go to the bathroom again.

Nobody ever go to the bathroom again. And I ran some tests. Like, you know, I flushed the toilets. Is that causing it? And nothing seemed to cause it. We couldn't trigger it again. And it went away for months, maybe even six months. Then it randomly happened again. And like I said, like in the two and a half years we've been here, maybe this has happened a few times. So like every, I don't know, five or six months. And it's not major. It's not like the tub is filled up with grossness. It's like a little bit of, you know, water up through the drain that looks kind of gross. You wash it down. Try not to think too much about it and just think like when will we. I just keep on picturing myself one of these days, I'm not going to be able to ignore this anymore and a plumber's going to come out here or a, what did I call them before? A lotion servicer of the service community

A lotion technician?

is going to come out here and they're going to say oh yeah, no, we've got to tear down your house we have to build all new pipes and then we're going to build the house back around it

The good news is you will get to meet Marshawn Lynch

Yeah, that is true

Because he does all of the actual work for Beacon Plum

I really and by the way I'm going I'm going back to my old friends the same company that serviced that serviced my furnace um last week smart yeah because I really had a great experience with them so anyway they do plumbing too so and I gotta say they're amazing I called them yesterday and I said I got this I got this issue um and they're like oh yeah that's probably a sewer backup I'm like yeah I kind of figured as much and um and they're like yeah we can have somebody out there tomorrow which is amazing I thought a pre-thanksgiving what do you know about the guy what are his nothing yet well that's the thing lotion i probably they said that this person will get here i said it has to be afternoon but this morning i got a text message that said it could be as early as 11 so there's a chance i will get an update from this person with their little baseball card telling me everything about them their likes their dislikes long walks on the beach short walks on the beach whatever they're into the cover band that they're in that's right but um but here's the here's the amazing thing the woman on the phone who's booking the appointment was like yeah yeah you know this all sounds familiar and I was giving the details oh one more detail that I will give you that I gave her which is good it's a little bit gag inducing um but it's not too bad but um I could not figure out a pattern with my bathtub when it was kind of backing up like this like I said it didn't seem to be attached to like us running the washing machine and having that drain or the, the.

toilets flushing or what have you but it just happened again um two days ago or maybe it was yesterday and i came in the bathroom i'm like oh that's gross i i really should look into this and then i'm kind of cleaning out the water and then i pull out i have what they call a tub shroom which is like this thing that it collects the hair it's like a trap for your bathtub only it's like one of those i think was maybe a shark tank thing it kind of goes down into the

into the drain i'm asking for one million dollars for my tub shroom and for that i'm out um once in my life i just want to be able to say sharks yeah i know it does seem what i need is three million

dollars i'd rather be a shark actually but um anyway this tub shroom thing kind of sticks down into the into the drain and it collects hair and you got to clean it out every few days or whatever But I pulled this thing out, and the backwash that had come up through the drain had clearly taken tons of rice, white rice that I'd put down the garbage disposal just earlier that day, had just like power shot white rice up into the tub shroom to the point where I couldn't clean it out. And I was like, for a second, I didn't think it was rice. For a second, I thought it was larva, and my stomach turned on me. And I was like, no, no, I so rarely use our garbage disposal in the kitchen for any kind of major, any kind of major disposal because we have a compost bin, right? So almost everything big goes in there. But I was feeling lazy the other day after a teriyaki lunch and I was dumping a bunch of white rice down my sink and turning on the garbage disposal. And then later that day saw that I had some, you know, backwash or whatever you want to call it in my tub along with the rice. This is like, you know, barium.

This is like passing something through the system. Oh, right.

you can trace. And so suddenly I'm like, aha, I think we're starting to see at least we finally saw some sort of causality here. And I'm like, I just got to call the damn plumber. And so again, I'm telling Vives, I'm like, you know, let's free up some cash in the reserves here. Like, I don't know what this is going to be like. And I make the appointment and the woman's like, yeah, this could cost like $199, but we'll see. It depends what the plumber has to do when he gets out there. And I was like, did you say $199? She's like, yeah. I'm like, oh. And I didn't want to say like oh you will you take 400 will you take 3 000 because that's what i was budgeting for this and then i realized i had a coupon here i'm like i also then i'm like now i'm getting greedy i'm like i also have a coupon for 45 bucks off can i use that she's like yeah i'll make a note like i don't know what's gonna happen when this um plumber comes out here but it would be amazing it would also be probably a good life lesson for me but also very amazing if the plumber comes out here and it's kind of like yeah we just had to like kind of you know like snake it in a way you know like i think they might have to roto rooter it or something some rooter will be roto let's hope that's why i got the lotion out uh but anyway i gotta i gotta stop making that joke but anyway um yeah so i will let you know i mean the person may be coming even during this recording but uh i am actually well this is a dangerous game but i'm feeling a little bit optimistic now having talked to the actual company that's coming out here yeah hopefully they will be able to

my guess would be it's root intrusion somewhere along the line just because of you know how things tend to work in seattle and i certainly had i had a similar problem at my old place in mount baker where uh there was like seepage coming in the basement shower drain like it would come up into the basement shower which we never even used so like i didn't even realize it was happening and then uh until one day i went down there was like why is there a dried paper in the bottom of the shower and it's because it was toilet paper that had made its way up and that was like root intrusion unfortunately for us the sewer line was really really old see this is what i'm afraid of if it's root intrusion this is not a 200 fix but they can sometimes you know cut that out depending on like your you know the particular sewer line you have and stuff so it might be uh and also i wonder if yeah the rice coming up i feel like that's somehow a positive sign because it's like it's coming from inside the house's plumbing as opposed to the it's not going out to the street

and coming back in here's my understanding of it which could be incredibly wrong but that's why i sort of saw the the rice as a gross but also potentially positive sign i think if it's truly just a clog in the sewer line somewhere they can just clear that out and that would make sense like usually it's fine little bits of water coming out or even maybe even a washing machine draining the water can get through there but when it really had a big job to do which was sort of digest this water and food combo that i was throwing down the the garbage disposal it couldn't handle it like it just hit a clog somewhere and the stuff that could not pass ended up coming back up the tub And if it's just a clog that's causing that, I think that's where we're in the affordable range. The $199 minus.

45 dollar mine i have the coupon right here but if it's kind of like this what you just described is what i'm worried about and what landlords i've dealt with have dealt with themselves which is like oh yeah you got a tree that's got a root that's busted the hell out of something we gotta go digging in your backyard which i know you dealt with and that that's gonna set us back

here's my advice if the plumber wants you to go outside and you see like an overflow in your yard like a little cap that can be unscrewed that that accesses the sewer line go and hide yeah because when i had the plumber do that at my old house he just put his foot down on it it was pvc and he just rotated it and it just i swear a fountain of of of sewage get like old faithful just went and i was like did you have what were you proving with that sir yeah why did you make me witness

that well it was an indelible image because you sure did it's been brought up on the show many times you put you've poisoned my brain and probably many listeners brains with that as well not that i say poison that's unfair it's probably informative in some ways but yeah that's that is the scenario i'm very worried about so i will have an update for you the bigger like life lesson

which i feel like you were kind of sort of indicating or getting close to saying is there are these things that we that causes anxiety whether it's you know water coming up through the basement bathtub or whatever a letter from you know the irs there are these things that just cause stress and the temptation is to just ignore them because the whole topic is anxiety producing and it's almost always better when you just freaking take it on even if it's going to be a bad outcome even if it's gonna be a bummer it's like well now we're just dealing with that and then it's fixed and then you can move on but it's it's like this sort of you know I don't know the anxiety around not dealing with something I feel like is almost worse than just dealing with and yet I have such a hard time sometimes tackling things head-on when they cause me stress yeah

and I think there's a I think there are like kind of three categories you mentioned like even if it's something from the IRS it could be like a financial thing some sort of like administrative or paperworky financial thing that you are scared to deal with it could be something around your home that is sort of physical infrastructure and i think the third thing is uh medical stuff and that's something that like you know i've had so many things in my head where i'm just like oh my god i gotta get this thing checked out i'm probably i should probably just say goodbye to all my loved ones let you know set up a post can you write out how to post the show before you do that right and then it's like i go to the doctor i'm like is it a is it a boil or a wart and they're like it's a gummy bear it's to go on your merry way homer simpson style so yeah i've had that before too it's like just get it taken care of i'm really trying to get better at that at the

just kind of like tackling something head-on um and not letting it sort of fester because you know and i've been saying this a lot on the show um and uh because of the you know the thing with politics right now and stuff but it's like if you are worrying about something that you can't control your suffering twice so I'm trying to do less of that the other thing that I heard the other day this is not really related to sewers or politics per se but I'm increasingly getting all of my useful advice in the world from Stephen Colbert like he just seems like such a wise dude and he said that they have a saying I don't know if I said this to you on air or off air but it's really been living in my head this is more related to just like life stuff or creative stuff or work stuff he said that they have a saying at their show which is is this something we can control and if the answer is no then the then it's like well then i love it huh like how intense is that as a thought like oh can we you know the guest wants to tell this story about the whatever is okay is this something we can control no then i love it hmm like what a freeing idea right like okay i can't control it then then i love it like what what how would that change our lives and and And how would that change my life if that was my approach to things I couldn't control? I just went, okay, then I love it. Like, that is a real paradigm shift that I've been trying to implement a little bit. You know, again, it's been really stress tested lately with everything going on in the world. And again, I don't even know if that's not really something about politics. That's probably more like a live wire thing for me where it's like, you know, something creatively that I wish was different or a guest we can't get on or, you know, I don't know. Just some sort of thing that I can't control, and instead of just obsessing over it and worrying and being bummed I can't control it, what if I just embraced it? I was like, all right, I love it.

You know, I'm probably taking the wrong lesson from this as I tried to relate to that and sort of not hearing it in the context in which it was originally spoken. But for me, that exercise would also sort of underscore the things that you can control that you're merely worrying about. Like I don't know this guest Insists upon telling this story And I'm worried

that it's blue or something like that bad example but my co-host insists him on talking about lotion and happy endings right exactly can i control him no i love it but the thing is maybe what you realize is oh i i can control this like i do have some options here and then when you say like well what are your options well you could find a new guest or in your case you can find a new co-host and what are the repercussions of that and i know i know i've seen the notes um but uh you know what i mean it might even say well can i control it then you think well okay well let's just there are ways to control things maybe i don't like the repercussions of going down a certain path but it sort of makes you it forces you to think like is this controllable and i'll tell you what like having the the head of the the found one of the founders of the wwe you know heading up the the department of education is not exactly something i can control so maybe i let that one go but also So maybe the next time I plug something into an electrical socket and it seems like it's getting a little bit hot, I should say, you know what? I'm going to call the I'm going to call the electrician, not the electrician, but the electrician. I like how you say electric. Yeah, I'm trying to get out of that. I think it's fun. I think it's onomatopoeic. Genevieve is all over that now. I can't get away with it in this house. I'm trying to change. It's something I like control.

I like where you're going with this. It's like, okay, it's, you know, to quote, is it Kurtwood Smith? Oh, yeah. I think it's Kurtwood Smith. Yeah, yeah, from Patriot. Let's close the things that close. In other words, let's identify what we can control and what we can have an impact on, and let's do that and not, you know, sit around stressing about doing it. Let's just do it. Let's, you know, into the breach. And then let's also identify the things that we can't control, and let's just make peace with that as well, you know? And in both cases, your anxiety level should theoretically go down a little bit. Yeah.

It's a decent exercise. Certainly. Certainly. Thank you for being a 10.

Hey, let's thank some donors who are supporting TBTL financially, making this whole thing possible because of their generosity. They've identified the fact that they have some control over if TBTL exists, Andrew. a lot and uh they've they've chosen to uh to to um support the show with a donation and they are making tbtl possible folks like amy ruble of tacoma washington thank you amy i'm beautiful your uh your hatches were battened amy and everything is okay where you are dusty snyder's in campbellsville kentucky oh that's a good place for dusty to be thank you i know don't doesn't like you meet a person named dusty and they tell you they live in campbellsville kentucky and you're you're like that all checks out that's good and it's not new york city no a dusty snyder i don't think a dusty snyder thrives in in manhattan i think a dusty snyder thrives in campbellsville kentucky just like christopher hamlin is thriving in worcester massachusetts it was bound to happen andrew beautiful just beautiful elocution there luke thank you it's taken me many many years of doing the show to learn how to properly say Worcester. Toby McPhail is in Denver, Colorado, home of Blucifer. That's right. And the ascendant Bo Nix.

Oh, yeah. How's Bo doing now? Bo doing still pretty well?

Well, they hammered Atlanta last week. Oh, okay. And Bo had probably his best game as a pro statistically, I think. Oh, really? Okay. Yeah, he seems like he's actually playing pretty well.

And how do you feel about that now that he's in the pros? He played for your rival, Ducks, in college last year, right? So you don't like seeing Ducks succeed once they are into the big pond?

What I don't like is that I feel like Oregonians are too obsessed with the Oregon Ducks. Now, they're also the number one team in the country right now, so that's something to be proud of. Although it does feel to me like the bad guys are just winning on everything. I say this as a University of Washington graduate. There's only one school that I truly love. It's the University of Oregon. it's also where my girlfriend and everyone in her family graduated from uh it's a it's a big deal there um but but um then you'll like read in the Oregonian and it'll be like how these ducks are doing in the pros and there's like a whole article following these Oregon players now that they're the pros I'm like they don't even play in Oregon anymore let it go that's how I feel about that

you were gonna be like once they're like oh yeah once they're in the NFL then we just you know we

root for the young the young i continue i continue to dislike them actively i love that again not

that politics or like kind of values have to seep into everything but i love it like in the whole world of college football like it's not a huge sec powerhouse in a part of the country that is like very very maga or whatever it's like the only enemy i have

are those awful people in Beaverton. No, I'm sorry. Eugene, right? In Eugene, Oregon. Yes, Eugene. I mean, obviously, like you say, you're dating a duck. These are people who are so similar to you in so many ways, but these are your enemies.

I mean, it's a strange thing, and I don't really go in for that stuff typically, but from a young age, I somehow intuited that we actively dislike the University of Oregon and yet I'm fully enmeshed in them I've even been to the campus and I've seen there's like Becca's there's like bricks that have her family's name in them and stuff you

know wow it's like it runs deep and you got didn't you even take advantage of maybe some family discounts at that uh at that Nike store at some point you heard you're still saying Nike you heard it I don't know how it went I was a kid and I said Nike my whole like childhood I learned at some age that it's nike i was fine with that for so long i don't know what happened but in my mid 40s i started regressing back to nike and i don't know why i ran into a listener at the nike

store this weekend a listener aaron lenninger really uh yeah i was in an aisle you were availing yourself then well so what happened was i bought like a few weeks ago becca and i went there and i bought some running shoes and for some bizarre reason i just bought the wrong size Like I thought maybe I was a 10, but I'm actually a 10 and a half. And so I needed to take these shoes back and get the right size. So I was back there last weekend and ran into listener Aaron who said, hey, I'm a 10. And I'm obeying the rules that if I see you in the wild, I have to identify myself.

So you slowly put down the bottle of hooch you were drinking that had the skull and crossbones on it. That's where I go to do it. It had three X's on it. Three X's. That's what it had, right? Yeah.

I was just in a random aisle of the Nike store drinking moonshine. But Aaron said something interesting because, yeah, that place, that Nike store, that is like, you know, it's like half off, basically. And if you are somebody who works at Nike or or you did work at Nike or you're somebody in the community, like I believe Aaron is a principal, maybe. And so they reach out to like local educators and it's a super sweet deal. But Erin was saying to me that her husband, Chris, I believe, I think this is who said this to her, pointed out something important, which is just because it's half off doesn't mean it's free because there is this weird psychology of being there because you're going to go up and you're going to have all of this expensive Nike stuff. And then it's going to be half of that cost. And there's it tricks your if your brain is wired the way mine is, it tricks your brain into thinking it's free. but if you were going to buy a thousand dollars worth of running gear etc and now it's five hundred dollars you still spent five hundred dollars right i have a quick question that is

a bit tedious but i think may be informative so there are some people who get a 50 off but not everybody just by being in the store gets 50 off so it's all labeled you get 40 off the the least

savings would be 40 percent off and the most savings would be 50 percent see this is where

it is it is a psychological thing they're doing there then then don't put i can't how can i say this then just put the real price and then don't take it off at the register you know what i mean fun it's like tetris yeah that's what i mean they're like hey look at all the right exactly like you're in the aisle but it's not like oh i have a coupon like showing the full price does nobody any good because nobody walking in there is going to pay that price it's just their way of reminding you yeah of how much money you're saving so you should buy more shit well and it

works yeah because again there is the psychology that it's like okay i bought ten thousand dollars worth of nike stuff and it was marked down to five thousand dollars it was like free no you spent five thousand dollars right right on running tights do they sell nike stock there by any

You can't buy some of that for 50%, huh?

You know what? I bought this blanket there last time, and they were like, limit one blanket for customers. I was like, are these popular? They go, yeah, they really are.

I wonder, do you think people are swooping in there before the games? Is it close enough to the field? Are they swooshing in there before games?

No, because it's in Beaverton. It's not near a stadium or anything. But it's kind of interesting because it's a very cozy blanket, and it's very designy, but it also is covered in swooshes.

Oh, it is? I was going to ask you.

So it's kind of strange, and it wasn't cheap. It retails for $150, Andrew, marked down to just $75.

Hey, you can't control that. You have to buy it.

Exactly. I love it. Can I control the cost of this blanket? No, I love it. I also love that Janice Langsdorf is supporting the show all the way from New York, New York. See, Janice sounds like a New York, New York. person perfect see it all comes together thank you so much janice bloom where you're planted that's what i always say to janice and then melissa uh schwartow is in seattle washington

beautiful beautiful windy place yeah did you guys you did not ever actually lose your power last night no last night was a pretty wacky night because we we almost we almost had the vibe of an evening when the power had gone out because we were waiting for it to go we were i was texting with probably i don't know 10 friends in various parts of the city must be nice yeah i have just i'm surrounded by friends um and i'm gonna say like eight of them were without power mostly up here in north seattle but some down in south seattle like uh and our lights kept flickering and i went outside at one point to take out some garbage and i literally heard the explosion of like a transfer box or whatever you call those power boxes that sometimes explode in high winds when limbs hit them and like i saw i heard one and then i saw our lights flash and i was like it's any minute now so we had all of our little like battery powered lanterns out a headlamp we're like all prepared for it and then we sat down and we played cards for a couple of hours and the the power never went out but we had a very nice evening of playing cards

i started to kind of freak out here uh in this wind tunnel that is my perch above the mighty columbia because like my light started flickering and i realized like my cell phone is on like 10 power right now uh my laptop is uh was not i started running around plugging everything in trying to juice stuff up and then also i have a couple little battery packs that i can use for my phone and i like plugged those in i was trying to basically like extract all the electricity from my house into storage units while i had electricity and i like i put the i got my headlamp out and put it on the kitchen counter i put the the uh flashlight on the kitchen counter i put batteries for the flashlight like i was it was like if everything if the lights just go out here i need to know where everything is um and then it ended up uh i didn't ever lose power but i

realized like i'm very reliant on it did it did it sort of affect your mood in a way though because even though you you never lost your power you were you went through i went through all the same preparations made sure of all of our cell phones and and laptops were charged and everything really really ready for the long haul because with this massive of a power outage like you know happening all over the region you don't know when they're gonna be able to get to your neighborhood to get power back up especially where you are so it really puts you in that sort of bunker mentality And like I said, we sort of had the we sort of had the weird coziness of of a power outage night, except we were able to watch De La Soul videos on TV because the power never actually went out while we were playing cards.

I was thinking, well, I'll just start a fire if I have to. And then I realized it's an electric fire. I mean, it burns, you know, pellets, but it needs power to run. And then I was yeah, I was like I made a huge veggie lasagna. um so because my yeah my first plan was like i'll get all cozy it's going to be stormy out the weather outside is frightful but i'm going to make a giant lasagna for one and and uh watch uh televisions chris hayes and and just kind of get cozy and and start a fire and then i realized all of this is dependent on a power line somewhere up the hill not getting knocked over by a tree limb like and if that happens it goes this goes from being a fun cozy night to just being a major

hassle. Yeah. Yeah. I was looking at, we have those arborvitae and I know you're feeling an arborvitae. Mine are not dissimilar from yours. Not my favorite type of shrubbery, but we have some really tall ones kind of behind our house, separating our yard from our neighbors. You see a lot of that around here and they are very tall. And as they get tall, they become less and less like in a structurally sustainable. That's not the right way to say that, but you just see them really swaying up there we have one that has a is it a bow or a bow a bow a bow like a part of a tree about a bow is that a bow that's like really kind of bent rockabye baby on the treetop when the bow breaks the cradle will rock that sounds the cradle will drop but they say bow i think yeah i'm just trying to figure out if we have a cradle up there because if we do we should probably you got to take that down i'll ask the plumber to look into that when he's here putting a baby on the tree that's what i'm saying it's so irresponsible you know what when we were kids

andrew we were on the treetops everybody was fine everybody no seat belts we're on the treetops

that is true anyway i was just gonna say i saw this one bow that already looks sort of like compromised sort of and it's really blowing in the wind and i'm looking i'm literally last night looking at it so it's not right above the line that brings cable into my house but i can see the fiber internet. coming into my house and i can see the line that is coming into my house and i'm just like if that thing falls and hits that line that tiny that tiny little wire if that branch falls and hits that i don't we don't have a show today you know like it's just like so much relies on that little wire

yeah i was thinking last night i was like okay if i just have a cell phone can i do the show somehow with andrew um i mean i guess i could because when i was in leavenworth and i broke my road kit i mean i don't think that was ideal but we were able to get through a couple of days of shows where i was talking to you on the phone but recording myself like in person or some

craziness yeah but we still needed internet to talk down the line we don't have to get into the ins and outs of that now but if you if you or i were without internet today yeah as long as maybe as long as one of us had it we could have limped along yeah yeah anyway thankfully we have our

full complement of electricity and internet and we can bring the folks another amazing episode of tbtl Hello and welcome to Top Story. I asked you yesterday if the words Keith Lee Worm Sushi meant anything to you, and you said no.

At the moment it meant nothing to me, but then I went to read the Seattle Times immediately after that at lunch. I like to eat soup and read the Seattle Times, and it had populated up as a main headline on the Times. Oh, big story. I'm read up on this. However, I'm I still haven't seen the key part of the video. You have to watch. I know I need to. I need the part where it was like they just linked to like the whole nine or 10 minute video. And I couldn't find the actual damning part. But I'm getting ahead of ourselves.

So Keith Lee is this food influencer. And I find the whole Keith Lee phenomenon to be very interesting because Keith Lee used to be an MMA fighter. I think he was like semi-professional, lived in Las Vegas and was kind of interested in sort of becoming some kind of influencer, I guess. And I don't know how he ended up locking on to basically I'm going to sit in my car and eat takeout food from a restaurant and tell you if I like it or not. Because I don't want to gatekeep this. Like, you don't I mean, I'm not saying you have to go to the Culinary Institute of America to review food. but he doesn't seem to be a person who has any particular background in food or you know he's actually sort of like me like I don't have a language around like why I'm tasting what I'm tasting in fact I have to eat a lot of stuff on TV and I always just go mmm that's good that's my food review mmm good that's really oh my god that's really good you should just say that

just start saying that constantly just take a bite of it look seriously like contemplate for a moment

to say food good somehow this thing of this guy keith lee sitting in his car eating you know you name it a chicken sandwich uh teriyaki recently in seattle whatever um had just has become a phenomenon i'm guessing it has to do with he's relatable and he's certainly not um you know uh he's not uh you know i i think you feel like this is a person i trust this person's opinion on if this food tastes good or not like he's relatable is that what you mean i think the

word is relatable um uh i get the whole relatability thing no i'm sorry i wasn't joking

i was i i didn't know where you were relatable like 14 seconds ago oh did you sorry you said

he's not on and i wasn't sure what i thought you're gonna say yeah i said relatable and then

i decided to make it more complicated i see even i don't understand at this point the point is i don't really understand why it is that this guy got so popular but he did and so now this keith lee effect is this huge thing because what he tends to do is uh he'll find a restaurant that's usually a family owned and uh oftentimes is sort of struggling people will reach out and say like you know my mom and dad you know spent their life savings to have this you know wing stop or whatever not literally a wing stop because i believe that's a chain but and uh and then he'll go out and he'll try the food and he usually gives stuff a pretty good review that's the other thing he's he doesn't go out to dunk on stuff he just usually is like i give this a seven out of ten or whatever and then this thing called the keith lee effect happens where there's a line around the block and whatever the restaurant is that he goes to ends up just doing gangbusters business for some amount of time and he went to seattle recently and he went to this he went to a bunch of places but one of the places was somewhere called fob sushi f-o-b i don't know if that stands for something i'd never heard of this place never heard of it nope never heard of it so they've got one in seattle and one in bellevue and he was trying a salt and pepper hamachi so that's a particularly like i don't know if we need to explain this to people but i guess hamachi is the one that's just kind of a cut of raw fish as opposed to a sushi roll where you've got the rice and then maybe the seaweed or whatever. And he was taking a bite of this hamachi and he really enjoyed it.

I think hamachi is a type of fish. I think you're thinking of sashimi as being the sashimi is just like the kind of like piece of fish. That's not a roll. I think hamachi is a kind of, I think it's a kind of yellowtail, right? Anyway, I could be wrong.

It's a type of sushi made with yellowtail tuna. Okay. Exactly right.

Cool.

So he takes a bite of this fish And he really enjoyed it And gave a good review And this place, Fob Sushi They told King 5 or something That they literally doubled their business After Keith Lee Gave them a really good review And then the internet started Enhancing On this piece of hamachi That Keith Lee was eating And they noticed that the bottom Corner of the hamachi appeared to be kind of wriggling. I need to see this. Or moving. Yeah, this is the critical piece of the whole thing. And the internet started to freak out, saying that this is likely a worm in the Hamachi. Fob Sushi first said, by the way, they have excellent, their rating from the Seattle Health Department is excellent. Literally, it's excellent. They said, we have very very very strict food practices and what this is is just the way that the flesh of the fish is when you grab it with a chopstick it just kind of makes it move in a way so that was their explanation then Keith Lee clapped back and said basically that he did not appreciate them blaming him and his chopstick technique which I didn't really think was what they were saying i don't think they were saying keith lee is eating this sushi wrong or this hamachi wrong i think they were just saying sometimes when you pick something up with chopsticks it puts some pressure on this kind of you know this chunk of fish flesh and it might make it move in a kind of an odd way um uh well anyway the the latest on the story is they've closed both locations indefinitely yeah they found something they found you think they found something that's your theory

I guess so. I only read the Seattle Times article yesterday, and like I said, they didn't isolate the part where the fish moves. I'm now watching that on repeat, believe it or not, Luke. The first result when I typed this in was a video from a show that is apparently called Jake and Spike on our old station, Cairo. This is Jake, the former producer. Jake Skorheim? Do you know that he's hosting a show there now with somebody named Spike, and they have Jake and Spike?

Is that Spike from, like, KISW? you? I don't know, man. From the Bob

River show? I'm just figuring this all. Jake and Spike? Spike looks like a guy who might be my age. He's got a beard that's graying a little bit. Yeah, that's definitely Spike. A little bit older than me, maybe.

Yeah, he, Spike was the kind of like, the sidekick on the Bob River show for many, many years, and then had his own show, which I think was recently, it was a morning show, which I think might have been recently canceled, because there is a casino commercial on TV that has Spike, and I presume the other people from his morning show? okay now in their bathrobes just like in the middle of the day like i think maybe throwing

darts okay so anyway andrew just think about it but anyway i happen to now they on their show i am on a video where they keep playing the little wiggly part over and over and over again and okay so i will confirm that is icky and yes that is not from by the way and i did not watch the let's say clapback video that steve lee posted i only read like the the poll quote that the seattle times used and it didn't seem to me as aggressive it sort of seemed like him saying like just like hey listen i've picked up a lot of fish i've picked up a lot of sushi with chopsticks before and this is not how physics works dudes and i would i would agree with that having seen this video would would you agree with that would you say there's something up with this sushi are

we on the same page there i don't know really listen i feel like the most to me the sort of Occam's razor you know of this whole thing is like to me the simplest explanation is it was just a little piece of fish that was hanging off and that was just kind of behaving oddly as opposed to they're rampant with worms at this sushi place and nobody noticed it until they gave it to possibly the biggest food influencer in America currently although I don't know if they knew they were serving up Keith Lee that's the other whole part of this is that he now sends his family in or he door dashes a lot of food like because you know he's like the Ruth Reichel of the modern food movement in that if they know it's Keith Lee, they'll freak out. So I don't think that they knew that this was who this was going to. I don't know. I just, I guess the idea of this place...

that by all accounts had a flawless food safety record that they just have worms and that just happened to get a worm to like a guy who gets 10 million views on every food tiktok he does i don't know that just seems it seems um unlikely to me but the problem is there can never they'll never be able to prove this it's like uh the you know is the dress gold or blue it's like you know

Right. Whatever that was, he already ate it. I, you know, I've been, I don't know if you recall, but I've been wrong on this show at least once before. So, you know, I don't want to, I don't want to like say anything that I feel is even close to definitive here. Like I say, I'm just watching this video for the first time now that the, you know, the part that actually has the movement in it. It seems to defy gravity to me. I will, I will get, I will say that. I don't understand just watching what is going on in this clip that they're playing. I mean, good on Jake and Spike. It's going up in a way It's like a little piece of fish that is just being held Between two chopsticks He's not wiggling and he's not moving He's just holding it up and then suddenly a little piece of it goes Bloop and moves upwards And it just seems gross to me

Is it possible And I don't know if this is better But is it possible the fish was still alive You know which again Is kind of upsetting in its own way

Or that there's some sort of nerve That even if it's not alive

Like a chicken with its head cut off It's like so fresh That there's some sort of Involuntary movement going on With this piece of flesh Which again The funniest thing about this is We're acting like there's nothing gross About a raw piece of flesh As long as it doesn't have A different kind of Animal flesh associated with it That we weren't expecting It's not like this is a um a blueberry muffin that had a worm in it this is raw fish flesh right i mean that may

still be alive yeah i don't have the right words for it but i was thinking like there it's just like and again like i i like sushi i need to stop watching this thing over and over again i think it's distracting me a little bit but and i would not want to eat sushi that was moving it would ick me out it would probably turn me off of sushi for a long time but your point is taken with me Like, I feel like it is true that, like, if you were like, what are the expectations? I don't paint anything with a broad brush, but what what are the expectations in other countries that serve food that I would find more exotic anyway? You know what I mean? The line between freshness and, you know, there might be a place where they're freaked out that their worm got sushi in.

in other keith related food news andrew your worm is in my sushi your sushi is in my worm sir what is this fly doing in my soup it appears to be the backstroke a classic borscht belt uh this is an old story but i just thought it was kind of entertaining and it does involve a guy named keith and food so i felt like this is the day for it i really need to ask you something

on this on this on this topic i'm really sorry but i'm not just goofing around here yeah yeah i'm really interested in your opinion on something regarding the the first keith story the first keith food story which is you said i i jumped i majorly jumped to a conclusion and said well clearly they found something that's why both of these restaurant branches are now closed um and you said are you you sure about that you sure you sure about that that's why um what what would be your explanation just like all of the bad publicity has caused them to not want to be in their shop because people are coming in and creating a stink like what would be the what

would be the cause of shutting it down i don't have an answer uh for that i think i guess my theory was they were overwhelmed they kind of didn't know what to do i mean it is a very weird thing to get and this is now a huge national story yeah so it's like it just i mean i'm on and on on this show about the perhaps principle right things that seem bad sometimes can be good and things that seem good can sometimes be bad and keith lee shows up he eats your food he gives it a great review you're selling more sushi than you ever have before and then it just goes so sideways i guess my thought was they were closing down to just kind of like try to figure out their next move to give the appearance because here's the thing, they don't want to admit and I haven't seen anywhere that they've admitted to any problems I feel like they're shutting down not because they're admitting that anything went wrong but because it might at least give the impression that they were double checking their systems and making sure that no one gets a worm going forward

but without admitting that it was a worm

it's like something that gives the indication that they're taking it seriously but also does not admit fault. And also it might just be impossible you're right as this story is is a national story now it might just be impossible to do business like maybe you know you have some regular customers who haven't heard this news or just casual customers who are coming in and just you know business as usual but maybe it's just like nine out of ten people are just coming in there to ask questions maybe they're reporters maybe they're just you know maybe it's just like impossible to do business under these circumstances and they just need a reset and they're gonna they're gonna reopen in a few days they're gonna called not definitely not fob sushi bar i know i mean i i don't know why but i just tend to think

that this is not a worm again i don't i don't know what's going on with it but like i do feel kind of bad for these folks because my guess is that these are probably pretty well-run spots and like i said i keep going back to this but they had literally an excellent rating from the food department which is pretty hard to get because there's like a million ways that you can like screw that up you know it's like if you have the wrong kind of thing on a certain shelf that then if it leaked would go on something below it i mean little things like that can like mess with your health score or whatever you call it so they had an excellent one which makes me think they were probably running a pretty good business and like all of a sudden it's all kind of like you know potentially going away for them which is just like the vicissitudes of life it's

just crazy yeah i am deaf i mean i don't know that we'll ever get a good answer to what happened here you know what i mean the the piece of fish is gone it's been eaten i mean unless the health department goes and says oh my god yeah we missed this the first time but this place is just riddled with worms i don't know how we missed this but this is basically more like a worm factory with some sushi business on the side like unless that's the result which it's not going to be we're never going to have an answer for this exactly um andrew in keith related food news

uh rest in peace to a guy uh named keith brown who was known in china as old dry keith who achieved huge fame in china on china's version of like i guess tiktok which i thought was just tick tock by the way but i guess they've got something else that this guy keith brown's wife who i believe is uh chinese uh started videotaping him or filming him on her phone making his lunch every day which was very british and very boring like i actually have the tape it's so boring the tape is incredibly boring andrew i'll play you a little bit of this This became, old dry Keith became a freaking sensation in Japan for how boring his lunch was. This is his wife talking to him. So he's just making a sandwich with like a piece of ham like lunch meat and some cherry tomatoes and for some reason these kind of pretty boring sandwiches he was making were fascinating to Chinese folks like they became obsessed with him there were grocery stores that had entire sections called Dry Lunch Areas where you could buy the same things that old Dry Keith was putting on his sandwiches. I'm reading from The Independent. It doesn't say who wrote this. The seemingly mundane classic British meals were met with horror and curiosity from the millions of viewers they attracted and even began an online movement which saw Chinese nationals trying their own, quote, dry lunch. One commenter asked, is this real? after watching Keith smear some butter onto brown bread. However, following the initial wave of confusion, Keith became known as a paternal uncle figure among fans. This is, I think, the best part of this whole story, though. The Chinese folks appeared initially to be totally confused by this guy's boring-ass lunches, and then they began to enjoy the dry Keith lifestyle. This was an article written on a social media platform. After watching a short video, viewers have changed from questioning the dry old man to understanding the dry old man to becoming a dry old man. The old man is to us, and the dry lunch is our dry life.

I'm looking at the photos. One of these, he's making like it looks like a lox sandwich with avocado on bread.

They seem pretty normal to me, and he's not even that boring.

like he's boring but not in the way that i expected him to be i expected him to be him to be like deputy dog or droopy i'm making my sandwich like bad droopy dog you know kind of like comically boring or or like low charisma he just seems like a kind of normal british guy who happened to live in china and was making a sandwich and his wife started filming it like it's i can't figure out why this happened but this idea that the nation of china said And we went from questioning the dry old man to understanding the dry old man to becoming the dry old man.

And there's something in there, I think, for all of us to learn. I appreciate you explaining that story to me because in the show sheet today, you had the Keith Lee worm story, which I was familiar with because I'd read it yesterday. And then your second headline was just speaking of Keith's. And I didn't have time to read it. So I did that thing that I think a lot of people do now, which is.

Is APM still distributing speaking of Keith's?

Speaking of Keith's, actually, that might be the show title, but I'm doing that thing where I'm trying to determine, wherever I was when I saw this on my phone, I didn't have time to click on the link and actually read it, so I did that thing where I'm trying to figure out what the story is just based on the link, not the headline, but the link itself, and it's like, you know, HTTPS, colon, blah, blah, theindependent.com, blah, and then you get to the headline part, old-dry-keith-sandwiches-china-tik-tok-died, and I was like, I don't have any idea where any of this is going something else interesting that they said on the with pod

this week chris hayes's excellent show why is this happening uh was he was talking to a a journalist who now kind of focuses just on sort of media matters and and and how we get information and stuff and one of the things they pointed out was and this is because this story is actually like almost two months old i think oh is that we news is not the information that we get through social media is not chronological anymore like there was a period of time where it was like up to the second news that was the whole thing you got to get the news right now and now if you're looking at tiktok you might be seeing some stuff that just happened but you might also be seeing stuff that happened a long time ago and what they were speculating on chris's show is it's because we're not not enough stuff is actually happening to feed the the beast of content consumption so what happens well literally the earth is not creating enough new content fast enough for all the demand we have for new content so what do they do they're showing me a brian bosworth sack from 1989 like you start to see old stuff and in fact they were the guy who was the guest mentioned this is a problem for hollywood is that netflix and places like that have a bunch of murder she wrote on there and people watch that and then they don't maybe even engage sometimes with the newer stuff because there's all this nostalgia out there but like this idea that literally we can't create enough content so we have to just go back and start throwing stuff that's six months old or a year old or 20 years old and passing it off as content because we're literally not making enough new content that kind of blew my mind yeah but yeah like the world is like i'm not making enough

content for you are you shitting me have you seen what i've been doing for the past 15 years like i'm out of breath over here and you guys are going back and watching old bosworth videos

this is the word bomb cyclone mean anything to you here i go once again with the email

Every week, I hope that it's from a female No, man It's not from a female

All right, emails of emails Yeah, I have a voicemail I'd like to play for you here This person left a voicemail and sent in an email as well I'm going to play the voicemail They had slightly different nuances, I would say But this is in response to a conversation that I brought up I think yesterday or the day before about a commercial that sort of irked me when i was watching the football game the other day and it was like this you know this beautiful um shot commercial showing a cowboy who i think like i said his name was like butch cowboy men or something like that on horseback talking about like um his fields and and how uh the soil is important and it ended up being like for the cattlemen's association here in washington and i i felt like kind of duped about it i was like you know i know that the hamburger meat i eat is out of factory farms and these are not the conditions that most um that most cows are raised in and the it just sort of felt like they were as i believe i said on the show peeing on my head and tell me telling me that it was raining making it seem like it's the ideal thing for a cow to grow up in this kind of atmosphere so anyway we got this note from somebody who sees it differently hey guys

listening to today's show and i have a cattle ranch down in florida love you guys but when you get on the meat talk you need to understand especially like the cattleman's commercial that you were explaining um we run like 100 head of cattle and we do look after them and like use regenerative grazing and take care of the soil and that's very much part of it is like taking care of the earth and the animals yes eventually they do get slaughtered and made into beef but while they are under our care like there's a lot of like thought put into uh keeping the animals healthy and happy it's just like something that uh maybe needs to be thought about it like a lot of these ranchers like i'm not saying every operation is like this but But 90% of the cattle operations are very conscious of how our animals are treated and do not do, like, undue harm to them. It's all about keeping them healthy and happy and also caring for the land in a way that most other industries do not. So just something to think about.

Thanks. And the reason I mentioned this person, they didn't leave their name here, and I don't have their email in front of me. The reason I mentioned the email as well, I read it the other day, and so I'm going to try to paraphrase and hopefully do it justice, is this person also said, like, it's also sort of frustrating because, like, you talk about MAGA people or whatever. Well, my whole, you know, in my job, I'm constantly talking to those folks, and I'm a liberal-minded person like you guys. And the reason I work with MAGA people all day is because you have all these, like, well-meaning liberals who are always just demonizing the meat industry while eating meat. And I think that that is a, you know, specifically, you know, something that I certainly do. And so I'm a little bit I guess I'm a little bit chagrined. But what this makes me want to do is actually do. Will I? Probably not. But it actually makes me want to do more research because I got to say, I have always just assumed and believed that the vast majority of beef that Americans like me eat, Not the ones who are going to butcher shops and farmers markets, but are actually just like going to the giant food chain grocery stores that I go to or going to a McDonald's or even going to maybe even a slightly better restaurant and ordering a hamburger. I assume that the vast, vast, vast majority of that is coming from just agribusiness that is not anything like this caller's, you know, hundred head of cattle, hundred head, more boutique approach. if i'm wrong about that if the vast majority of of the beef that i eat i mean is actually coming from farmers like our listener here i would i would be so psyched to hear that yeah i mean i i

think and i'm not i don't feel like i mean i think you were the one that was in trouble with this voicemail more so than me so i'm only supposed to play though i'm only supposed to play the ones that go after you but um but yeah i mean i think i even said in that initial conversation about there are these cows that live on this sort of island yeah um and how i love them so much i and also i wouldn't feel bad if they ended up on a dinner plate because i feel like they've had a really good life so yeah i'm curious about that because uh the listener um you know like like he said running 100 head of cattle that sounds pretty boutique and i could imagine those cows having a pretty good life and i'm on the record as saying if if an animal has a good life and it doesn't suffer unduly it doesn't experience unnecessary pain or restriction and then its life is over I don't have a problem with that morally I just like you assume that in order for the average American to have meat with three meals a day that something you know something not great for the animals has to happen for that to be scalable right I would be surprised to hear that like every quarter pounder at mcdonald's started off as one cow in a hundred yeah in a in a hundred head herd in florida because it just doesn't seem like again the caller knows a lot more about the industry than i do um but maybe could call us back and and clarify i'm really curious is it the case that most of the meat that we're eating and buying in the store when it comes to cows are actually being raised in relatively humane circumstance with relatively small numbers because that would totally blow my mind I would love that to be the case I would love that to be the case as well I

I'm dubious right now but I'm not trying but I but I'm not saying that to dismiss this caller there's a reason I played this voicemail by the way yeah and it's not because because I want to fight back on the air because I think it's a good perspective to have and a reminder for me not to paint everything with a broad brush and while I say that I'm still sort of I would be very curious to see a an honest objective breakdown of where of what types of farm

produce the vast majority of the of the type of beef that most americans eat on a daily basis i like i need to find that somewhere because the good news is i know i won't hear from any callers or listeners on the other side of this issue so that's really good so the the the inbox is uh the inbox is open but anyway i need to john at tbtl.net that's right but anyway well thanks

for the call yeah absolutely in all seriousness remember remember we had that call uh years ago From like a dairy farmer in Maryland

Yes I do

And we got him on the show right Yeah and it was so interesting I think we used to have a segment I forget was it called literally What are you doing here

What do you do here is what it was called

It was just like what do you do while you listen to the show And I really love the idea of that listener Being out on the range Listening to TBTL That's like so cool And I love that we have a variety Of different kinds of jobs that people do So, you know, I mean, that that actually is very kind of encouraging to me and it's nice to hear. So, yeah, for the call. Call us back. Absolutely.

And I can also sort of just picture, you know, people. It's a it's a trope of people like yelling back at their podcast and like that that meme that was going around years and years ago that said the most I ever feel like a ghost is when I'm yelling at the people on the podcast I'm listening to. And so I can just imagine this caller's feeling, like, potentially, like, literally listening to us, his buds who, you know, he listens to to sort of be a little bit of maybe a relief from the heavier news of the day and just being, like, just totally slandered by me and just being like, what am I doing out here?

Totally misdescribing his livelihood.

Yeah, his life. So anyway, truly, thank you for that voicemail.

Yeah, appreciate you. All right. But you've got an appointment with either a $150 event or a $150,000 event. I'm eagerly looking forward tomorrow to hearing how this all goes, and I'm crossing my fingers.

I will let you know. Let's just hope that there's going to be some rotoing and some rooting, but not tree rooting. That's what we need to avoid.

That's what we're hoping for. All right. Thanks for listening, everybody. That is going to do it for today's show, but we will be back here tomorrow with more imaginary radio for you so please join us for that in the meantime have a great wednesday take care of yourselves and please remember no mountain too tall and good luck to all power out