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#4353 It's Not A Krang!
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#4353 It's Not A Krang!

from TBTL: Too Beautiful To Live

December 6, 2024 | 01:09:22 | Leisure, Comedy

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Luke's swollen eye infection -- which is not filled with pus! -- made things difficult on the set of a CBS shoot yesterday. He's now hoping for some kind of medical resolution today, possibly with the help of Jeremy Renner. He and Andrew also discuss the dark, bizarre case of the mystery man who assassinated a health insurance exec in broad daylight -- and how people are reacting online.
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I stayed at a hotel in Los Angeles, and when I got back, I realized I left my toiletry back at the hotel in Los Angeles, and it was a really nice one, sent to me by the Cartoon Network, had cartoons all over it. I wanted it back, I called up the hotel, I was in room 318, I left my toiletry back, it's got cartoons all over it. Guy's like, oh yeah, we found that. I was like, great, can I get it back? He's like, can you describe the cartoons? Did you think I was calling you on the off chance? That someone left behind the toiletry bag with cartoons on it? Like I'm in the market for one, don't know where to find one, so I'm calling hotels all day long, hoping for a miracle. Maybe I got an anonymous tip. Some guy comes up to me in an alley. Don't ask who I am, but if you're in the market for half a bottle of dandruff shampoo and five dusty Viagras. Call this hotel, tell me room 318. You left your toilet, your bag, it's got cartoons all over it. What kind of cartoons? They'll never ask you that.

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TBTL. Guess what day it is? Guess what day it is?

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It's party. Friday. Gonna get down on Friday. Everybody's looking forward to the weekend. Hey, it's Adrian. Making another joke for you today. So, I always knock on the refrigerator door before I open it. You know what? There might be salad dressing.

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All I know is this violates every canon of respectable broadcasting.

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I don't know, man. Have a good show, dummy. It's what you do is so important.

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Alright, hello, good morning, and welcome everyone to a Friday edition of TBTL, the show that just might be too beautiful to live.

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We're getting medium play on three independent radio stations in Central Europe.

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My name is Luke Burbank. I'm your host.

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What the hell is even that?

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Coming to you from the Madrona Hill studio perched high above the mighty Columbia. Bring it back home, baby. Bring it back home. Where it is a cold day. Boy, things are getting chilly. When I walked out of the Portland International Airport this morning, flying up from Los Angeles, I noticed a real temperature shift out here. But it is beautiful. It is nice.

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Oh, ma, pa, it's just beautiful.

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I had the thought as I was driving back up here to Google when the rainiest months are in the Pacific Northwest because I'm wondering if it feels like it's actually been pretty okay for a while there must be some like colder but drier winter months that i can kind of take as a somewhat of a positive this is not somewhat of a positive this is an enormous positive folks we've made it to episode 4353 in a collector series let the fun begin i had a really um fun day in los angeles yesterday talking to the comedian nikki glazer who's going to be hosting the golden globes and she was as absolutely as nice and thoughtful as you could imagine. For somebody who's really become famous for saying super mean things in these roasts, her actual personality, so, so kind. And it was a fun day. We got to sit in on the writer's room, them riffing, riffing on jokes for the Golden Globes and then went to a comedy club last night, the Improv in Hollywood. And that was when I started to realize that every life decision that I've made up to this age of 48 has been a mistake so maybe we'll get into that also i'm obsessed as many of you are with the hunt for the suspected shooter in the new york city united health care incident it's something that's it's cinematic i mean it's it's obviously tragic it's very serious but it's also feels like a movie we've watched or something but it's real life anyway we'll talk about that to. Oh, and we're going to talk to this guy, longest running co-bro of the show, maybe best known for his depictions of the tall ship. Sometimes people refer to us as kind of like work spouses. Sometimes I call them my work wife. That's my wife. He's Andrew Walsh, and he's joining me right now. Good morning, my friend. Good morning, Luke. Are you ready to go under the knife today? I'm hoping. I've never wanted an extremely painful procedure committed against my eyelid like i do right now can i just give a quick background for

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listeners who don't know the backstory here sorry if you didn't listen to the old episodes you missed it luke met somebody named jigsaw who promises i got it honestly i am chained to this sewer pipe right now and i gotta get out of here now actually let's start We'll be right back.

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yesterday you know you went into this interview with nicky very concerned about this uh this swelling you have underneath your eye this what would you call postural what would you call it a

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stye whatever you got a pustule gross don't please don't pick the it's a pete postal weight the noted

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british actor oh that's what that's what i said you were listening close no i'm very it's very

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important to me that people know it's not filled with pus okay sorry wrong word and i only know that because my doctor dr svobodka the other day she poked and she goes and i won't do the accent

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but she said no that's solid that's good i guess that's what you want to hear from your dog no i

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actually wish it was full no i wish it was full of fluid because that's the kind of thing you could easily drain out i think it has you think it's a bb well it's i think it's that the tissue is inflamed and like i said one of the doctors who was being texted with over hopefully a secure HIPAA network was saying well we got to make sure it's not MRSA and she was like it's not MRSA and then he used another one um oh cellulitis you don't like the sound of that do you I don't at

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all I can just tell you don't like the sound of it I think that's a good just because I think

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that's a much my guess would be that's a much more involved situation than just I had a duct in my eyelid that got blocked up I think from visine and then it instead of fixing itself which is what typically would happen um it got infected and now i have MRSA is i think where we're at can

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i i actually do have more practical questions for you we need to actually get some real answers but

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first um all i've been thinking about is this eye for five days i'm more than happy to discuss it i

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have so many thoughts before we get into that though let's talk about protocol here you mentioned that these doctors are sort of texting with each other and you're hoping that it was on some sort of a secure network yeah how shocked would you be if they were using jeremy renner's social media rennerverse website to talk about your eye they had basically bought it at auction

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and had resurrected the rennerverse i'm just gonna see if i still have it if i still have the icon oh baby look at this yeah i've still got the jeremy oh unable to install jeremy renner oh no the app you still had the app i thought i still had the tile it's got a very smoldering jeremy renner on it but when you try to re-download it it says that it's not able to

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it's unable to download the jeremy renner actually that would be funny you know how sometimes like in well this happens in all kinds of i think sciences but like i think sometimes somebody might be working on a a project like some sort of software you know app style project and they think it's going to be one thing but it turns out that well our original plan isn't exactly working out but the byproduct of it is this thing is like super secure or it could be used for anti-malware or something like what if that's what had been the story with the jeremy renner verse that like okay a social media site based around one celebrity personality that didn't work out so well but it turns out he accidentally invented the most secure way for doctors to talk to each other that's so genius that is so genius

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that's jeremy renner finding out that he's accidentally designed the world's most secure

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app well i forgot he was in a band or something is that his iso track oh my god i think that was

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and then uh i believe that the band was featured in and you know by the way we wish jeremy renner

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well i know he went through a whole thing sure he's a great guy no but he was grievously injured oh yeah no of course i know that he's been okay from that but do you remember then he like he had a big comeback on a commercial do you remember this commercial he does like well that's the

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thing where he's performing well i think it was it was a car commercial but it involved his band

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right no no the one i'm thinking of is after this accident you know obviously and it was a very very serious accident and he went away you know kind of went out of the spotlight for a long time but But then I think his, like, kind of grand return was for some, he's in, I know that he's in his kitchen, like, you know, on TV. He's in a kitchen in a robe, in a very comfy-looking, like, terrycloth robe, as if he's been, like, kind of sleeping or recuperating. And then I believe his daughter or a child or maybe an adult child comes in the kitchen and says, Dad, you know, are you okay? And then I think he, like, flips a pancake onto a plate and then he backflips.

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Oh, this is for silk almond milk.

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Yes, and it's kind of like a I'm back, baby. Yeah, Super Bowl, of course. Renner would not do this anywhere else but the Super Bowl. Do you have it there?

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How right am I, by the way? Well, let's watch it together. There's probably, I mean, the height of irony is I probably have to click through an ad before I can play this ad for you. No, actually, listen to this. We're right here. It is Silk featuring Jeremy Renner. It's from Super Bowl 58, so it's from last year. And he's walking into the...

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kitchen and you're right he's in his bathroom and he's kind of holding his lower back like the way that a lot of us feel early in the morning as we're just starting to get moving here we go goes to the refrigerator pulls out a thing of silk takes a drink takes a swig he's making like a sort of a protein shake with silk and veggie or and fruits but he's being real cool like he's he's doing like it's almost a tarantino style 360 spin with the knife and he's chopping the strawberries up and he is absolutely in his glory right now kicks the carton of silk into his coffee cup but in a real cool kind of rube goldbergy way where it just kind of like lands on it and starts pouring jumps on the kitchen island he's firing pancakes like he's a disc golf champion and they're landing right on the plate

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so good i got you oh dad yeah you know just getting back to my routine

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ah i can't believe that totally uh missed my radar at the time so yeah you're right there's a

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man i there's the i nailed a lot of that there's a kid you were spot on yeah he doesn't do a flip but he's sort of like he starts off on the kitchen island in a acrobatic way and it's i mean this i mean silk offered him the opportunity to have a comeback commercial because it begins with him creaky from the accident but by the end he's singing james brown's i feel good which that's one of those songs when i hear it you know i'm gonna say no offense to james brown but you know whatever i think he's got some reputational repairs he needs to do anyway i believe um but uh You know, when I hear some, and I know that Jeremy Renner is not a boomer, and I'm not trying to go after boomers. Some of my favorite listeners and donors are boomers. But, like, there are certain songs that are sort of, like, I've been hearing them since the 80s that represent a certain vibe. Like, Bad to the, I don't know if Bad to the Bone is a good example, but there's another one from the 70s that I feel like, you know, any time in the, yes, right? Sort of like that vibe. but what's the one oh man there's not the song by war from the 70s there's another song that's like constant wild thing by the troggs was always a stand in you know sort of like that generation stand in for like this is not your dad's Oldsmobile it's the troggs

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what is the least what is the absolute least amount of work we could do as an ad agency right now to indicate something in this commercial oh wild thing sure yeah

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Yeah, to indicate that this grandma isn't your usual grandma. This grandma has a wild, wild side.

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Yes. And you feel like I Feel Good is a little bit on the line with that. Here's the thing. You're right, though. You were very right about the commercial. You've got the sort of subtext of, like, everybody knows Jeremy Renner got injured in this accident, and he's letting everyone, including Hollywood, know that he is doing well. I'm just wondering, what is above the subtext?

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That's what I mean. I guess you would say the text.

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Did you see that coming?

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No, I didn't, but great callback. I recommend that movie. Proud of myself, thank you. I think you'd like it as a full-ass adult. You certainly would have loved it in your 20s, I think. Barthelona.

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So they may have been using the Renner app to communicate, but anyway, the point was the one doctor who I never actually was able to visit was mainly what was happening was the eye doctor, the eye specialist, who was apparently the only person who's allowed to like do more than prescribe me an antibiotic like they might be able to drain whatever's going on although i've already established it is not pus filled it is decidedly not pus filled at least i hope not um and or maybe i don't know i don't know what's going to happen in a couple hours when i go down there but but the point is my doctor was being such a champ and she was trying so hard to basically like and we've all been in this work situation where you need a favor from someone who's like harried and you're and you're trying to figure out how to like you know whether it's like we're at cairo and it's an engineer i need paul carvalho to literally

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gonna say when you need an engineer's help at a radio station exactly yeah you know what i mean

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it's like and they're busy and you're trying to like get kind of moved to the front of the line you're trying to be really like a cool fun guy not and not be a jerk but kind of get slightly preferential treatment my doctor who i was seeing in that moment was really trying to get the eye guy to do that and the eye guy was he was kind of he was being a real dane he was like he kept coming up with reasons he kept coming up with reasons over the renter app that i was not that he didn't want to see me one maybe i have MRSA which is like not his department maybe i have cellulitis he kept just going like i think it's a lot of things that don't involve me looking at this

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eye yeah right and so the what ended up happening was um i was able to get an appointment but not for that day that would have been on tuesday so it's for this afternoon so my initial plan had been to have a slightly less hectic time in in la and maybe do the today's episode from down there and then come home etc but no i came home bright and early this morning so i could get here do the show with you check in with walt b who's working away in the house uh this week and then head down to the doctors to get this uh hopefully i mean really what i want them to do and i'm already worried i'm going to be disappointed andrew which is i know we were talking about yesterday and nikki glazer and my eye thing here i'll give you the short version you just give me a quickie on that it was mortifying she was so nice about it she's an did you lie unbelievable i did not lie in fact i went around and around with either like don't say anything about it or say something either address it immediately or or or just pretend like it's not there but i just thought pretending was going to be more awkward and take up too much brain space for both of us so i um i strolled into the glam room we were at the beverly hilton hotel they had uh loaned us a suite to film and I there was a room where Nikki was getting her makeup done and I went in and I introduced myself she was so so nice she said I love your work I saw your piece on Taylor Tomlinson she'd clearly like watched a number of my pieces oh wait you did a piece on Taylor Tomlinson yeah

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I started following her about I don't know a few months ago because uh you know one of her stand-up clips crossed my transom and I loved it and the name rang a bell but I didn't really know why and maybe it's because you mentioned you were interviewing her I've become a quite the fan

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yeah taylor thompson very very funny um and uh and so it was clear that that nikki glazer had done you know a certain amount of kind of research on like i guess me and the show and like you know knew what she was getting into which i always sort of appreciate like somebody taking it seriously and um and so i said well i told her two things the first way i built a bridge was mentioned a weird footnote of her career which was she used to host a show on mtv she co-hosted it with another comedian named sarah shaffer oh yeah and sarah shaffer is a friend of mine by the way sarah shaffer will be on livewire this thursday revolution hall december 12th come see us also bruce campbell will be there from evil dead uh and blitzentrapper it's a hell of a night so sarah shaffer and her husband scott moran were at my house in in fact you might have even shown

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up oh i was there you know i was there for the interview and you know who else was there silently in the room my old boss mike arnold remember that remember that it was like a friday it was a friday recording i'm pretty sure we were like kind of like getting ready to

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we went bowling we might have yeah we went bowling i know yeah yeah but glazer wasn't there right no no glazer was wherever she lived shaffer shaffer moran there was uh arnold i thought

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there's another guest on the show but maybe i'm just gonna maybe it was just those two when they were married. Because they're not married anymore, are they? No, no, they're very married.

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I think they weren't married at the time.

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Oh, nice. Okay, cool. Anyway, that's kind of obviously somewhat vague but fond memory of mine, yes.

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It's a very fond memory of mine because what happened was Sarah stepped out on the porch or something, is my memory of it, and said, I've got to take a call, and then came back in and said, you guys are the first person to hear this. I got an MTV show.

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Right, right, right.

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And that MTV show was the show she and Nikki Glaser hosted together. And so I figured, you know, but I also was like I was trying to Wikipedia things to figure out, like, is everybody is everybody cool? Does everybody like each other? Is everybody you know what I mean? Not because I'd heard anything, but you just never know, you know, after 10 or 12 years, if you the first thing you say to someone is, hey, I'm good friends with, you know, fill in the blank. And there's, you know, it'd be like somebody saying to me, hey, I'm really good friends with Andrew.

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I'd be like, well, you're on the wrong foot. That's right. Out. Out. Yes.

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So I was like I was like I'm gonna go with I'm gonna assume that everything is cool Which by the way it is and was and she was like oh my gosh, that's amazing Super nice super friendly, and then the second thing I said was I just want to let you know about a Something I did for you honestly because I didn't want there to be any speculation afterwards about who the most attractive person in this interview is So I was nice enough to develop an infected tear duct in this eye which i will be having hopefully surgically removed tomorrow but that's what's going on and she said this is the thing everyone has said when i addressed this eye bump she said oh i didn't

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even notice it oh but now i can see it honestly that is the truth like i didn't notice it now

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it's all i see i have makeup on and i again i have i'm this is the most flat what you're seeing is the least noticeable this thing is in in real life if i looked like with

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You're waving at me. It has an area code. But if what you're seeing right now, Andrew, is what I look like, I wouldn't be so hung up on it. It's different in real life. It's three-dimensional. That's a problem. Like, if you catch it. Here's what happened. So when I got to the hotel for the shoot, I got there early, which is rare for me. But that tells you how seriously I was taking all this. and i went to our great scammer uh scammer guy our great camera guy scott and i said hey i had this thing on my eye and uh i'm trying can you try to low-key it i was like can you try to like i don't know just shoot me from far away or only do this side or whatever and he was like oh yeah yeah yeah we got it and so then i'm sitting in so they have these two chairs and this elaborate lighting setup that's taken hours to set up and i'm sitting and then the producer just gets scott and goes can you come here and then they go over to a monitor and he's like well what about he goes can you put a and they start using camera terms I don't understand lens like filter terms and they're both just I can't see the monitor but they're both looking at the monitor and they're diagnosing a very serious problem which is my eye bump because it's making a shadow because how the light is so it's looking like I have a black eye now which I don't but it's just because it's protruding in a way that even though like it's all about the angles and so they did everything they could to try to low-key it. Everybody watch this piece whenever it comes out and see if you can spot my eye problems. I like the fact that

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it's so big. It's like Century Link Field about halfway through a game in the winter where like half the field is covered in shadow and the other half of the field is blown out in light. You can barely see. Jerry Jones refuses

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to put up any kind of curtains.

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Nikki Glaser looks like she's in some sort of a noir film because she's in half shadow

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because of this protrusion on your face i mean she was this is the thing she was so well put together you know just a physically quite flawless person and and we're in this like very well lit like there's no hiding from this that's the problem there are these giant there's a number of giant network television cameras pointed at our faces and there's just like so i was kind of Like asking a lot of questions, kind of like, you know, I don't know, like leaning in, like, so what do you think about that?

00:22:21 - 00:22:27 | Speaker 1:

Try to like somehow I'm talking on a one half of your mouth for some reason. Just try. Yeah.

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So anyway, Glazer, like I bet you anything when the port editor has to look at what we call the cutaway shots, you know, so that's like the person I'm interviewing is talking about something. And then we need to make an edit point because maybe they kind of go off topic or whatever. And then you come back, you finish that statement with something they said a little later on. And then what you need Because the person is There's an edit on the person who's talking You need something else to show And usually that's just my face kind of nodding

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Or if you're William Hurt in Network News It's you crying Precisely Do you remember that plot point? It's a big thing They do a cutaway of him But he's fake crying in it And they punched it in later And a mini drop No, I'm sorry Who's the other person? Whoever has ethics in that movie Is very, very upset with that It's a big turning point in the movie.

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If you're Keith Morrison, famously of Dateline NBC fame, it's a lot of like kind of odd. I feel like Keith Morrison is leaning into it now. Like when I when I see a finished story on CBS, I don't I've never asked the editor could use a different cutaway of me. I just deal with it and it never makes me feel good, but it is what it is. But the Keith Morrison, literally the cutaways of Keith Morrison are their own ugly sweater on TikTok. You can currently purchase.

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Oh, really? You can get a sweater with his visage on it, you mean? Yeah, and he's like, hmm?

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Like, you know, Bill Hader kind of made, on SNL, did these, like, pretty funny impressions of him. Basically, the way that, the way it reads is that Keith Morrison is talking to somebody about a terrible event, but he's kind of titillated by it or something because of the cutaways that they tend to use. I see. Which I don't think is really how he feels. All that is to say, we got through the interview. She was incredibly nice and didn't say anything. And then we and then we went to this writer's room, which was great. But again, I'm just like every new scenario. I have to just kind of like psych myself up to be like a guy with a with with a sort of, you know, unattractive thing on his eyeball. And then finally, the best part was we went to the comedy club. And the thing about comedy clubs is they dark. So as soon as we got into the Hollywood improv, I was like, now this is my light level. This is great. I'll grow another one on the other. I don't, I did gaffe. I don't give a frick because no one can see me. I literally felt my anxiety level drop by like 30 basis points because I was in this comedy club where the light was low. That was all I needed.

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Did I already say this to you when we were having the conversation earlier this week that maybe you could have just done your best impression of a Milford man?

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Or a Milford boy from Arrested Development. Remember? Geez Louise. Not Job. Tony Hale's character. Why am I blanking on Tony? Oh, yeah.

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Sure. Tobias. No, no, no. No, no. Sorry. Buster. Buster. Good Lord.

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My brain. Oh, my brain. I need to take those things that you give somebody who's having a heart attack with the fibrillators. Yeah. I need to put those right on my temples and just give it a- Brain fibrillators? Just give it a-

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I believe that's a plot point they explore in One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest.

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Oh, shoot. You're right. I think you're describing essentially shock treatment. I think that has a happy ending. Pretty, if I remember correctly, and I think I do. No, but anyway, he went to- Buster. Buster went to Milford, like a school where boys were not supposed to be seen or heard. And he ended up staying there an extra four years or something because he was so good at not being seen or heard. they forgot he was there and they'll just show like images of him just like peeking around a corner like you just barely see him peeking around a corner that could have been you uh just hiding half of your face anyway i'm glad i brought all that up milford is a milf joke now that you say it i wonder if that's not a coincidence i mean that that show like the central oh my tenet of that show is like incest, essentially.

00:26:27 - 00:26:35 | Speaker 3:

Well, the fact that Buster in particular has a really weird relationship with his mom and his mother boy and all that,

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I just wonder if Milford... Well, that's part of it, but that's not... I mean, it's about the cousins who are attracted to each other. They bring the actual... I mean, by season... Is it season three? They actually bring the actor's sister on. I can't talk today i cannot reference famous people jason jason bateman jason bateman's sister they they cast justine bateman as his love interest like everything ends up being a joke about accidental incest on that show that is like sort of the central theme of it that that runs through the entire throughout the entire series i believe i just saw this i was trying to find it on the fly

00:27:17 - 00:27:54 | Speaker 3:

like it was a tick tock that this is going to be so unsatisfying um because i can't remember all the details but basically there was somebody unearthing just an insane uh amount of kind of like funny not self-referential but just like layers of jokes that just go right past you in arrested development and one of them was basically like there's three different so there was a plot point where something happens with george michael where they make a reference to the singer george michael who at the time i think had gotten in trouble for maybe like hooking up with a dude in a bathroom somewhere like in a public bathroom you know george michael from wham yeah i remember

00:27:54 - 00:27:58 | Speaker 2:

that happening that happened a long time prior to the show though right wasn't that a more of a 90s

00:27:58 - 00:28:26 | Speaker 3:

thing or am i wrong about that maybe so but they but they the point is that they're referencing it again this is why this is so unsatisfying i was googling arrested development bathroom recurring joke and it was it wasn't even giving me the tv show it was like some whole other dark web but basically this person was going through like these other names that are randomly thrown in and they're other celebrities who had been busted in a bathroom with whoever and it was just like

00:28:26 - 00:28:30 | Speaker 2:

i don't remember that at all that's incredible i hadn't this was like i saw this three weeks ago

00:28:30 - 00:29:46 | Speaker 3:

or something and i was like oh my gosh like those are jokes that nobody would ever in a million years get but they just uh you know they just decided to throw it in just to have there was another one that i saw um the other day that was being highlighted that was um a character on a character in a movie that was named for a cleveland browns punter it was a bully from a movie that's named for like he was a browns and then i want to say maybe like what would be weird if he was a browns and stealer punter it was a hardocky it was a real from real life you mean The punter is named Chris Gardocki, and then there's a bully in a movie, and they name the bully Chris Gardocki, which is an actual Browns punter. And the reason Chris Gardocki is kind of famous is because one time he flipped off. I want to say it was like the New York Giants. He flipped off the whole team because he punted it, and then after eight seconds went by, somebody just leveled him. like it was like Lawrence Taylor and it wasn't even a penalty at the time so there's like a famous picture of Chris Gardock just throwing up like the bird to an entire, which as a punter you never want to do are you finding anything on the internet about this?

00:29:46 - 00:29:55 | Speaker 2:

no, I'm sorry, I wasn't googling around, I was just enjoying your story so he's just standing there like eight seconds, then like a cartoon somebody just levels him off his feet

00:29:55 - 00:30:00 | Speaker 3:

yeah, late hit I'm going to try to get the details of this Chris Gardock

00:30:00 - 00:30:02 | Speaker 1:

Tardocky flips off the Steelers' sideline.

00:30:04 - 00:30:05 | Speaker 2:

What year are we talking?

00:30:06 - 00:30:25 | Speaker 1:

It doesn't say the exact year. I'm just going to play the audio. I'm going to hope that this is real football audio and not somebody chopping and screwing it. So I'm going to take you. Andrew, this is really just for you, my friend. You put in a good week. I'm into this. We're doing a half day today. This is Pittsburgh against Cleveland. Cleveland's leading 14-10. It's the second quarter.

00:30:26 - 00:30:31 | Speaker 2:

Can you give me a sense of era, though? because that name doesn't even ring a bell to me.

00:30:31 - 00:30:33 | Speaker 1:

It looks like it's maybe the late 80s to me.

00:30:33 - 00:30:34 | Speaker 2:

Oh, okay, okay, yeah.

00:30:34 - 00:30:36 | Speaker 1:

It's definitely like a long time ago.

00:30:38 - 00:30:51 | Speaker 4:

Gardocki, wobbly kick, Shaw, a couple of steps to his left, picks it up at the 10, and Gardocki is down. No flags on the play. Bobby Shaw gets it over the 15 of the 17 yards.

00:30:51 - 00:31:09 | Speaker 1:

So Chris Gardocki is writhing on the turf, and as you heard the announcer say kind of fuzzily, Chris Gardocki is down, no penalty flag. By the way, Andrew, I mean the shit that people got away with in the NFL even like seven, eight years ago. It's just unreal.

00:31:09 - 00:31:10 | Speaker 4:

Not even just got away with.

00:31:12 - 00:31:17 | Speaker 1:

Getting leveled as he got that. Oh, you know who I think it was? I think it was Joey Porter.

00:31:17 - 00:31:18 | Speaker 2:

Okay, yeah, that name doesn't mean anything.

00:31:18 - 00:33:03 | Speaker 1:

The infamous Joey. Andrew, this is how old I am. So Joey Porter was a very legendary Pittsburgh Steeler, as you probably know. No, I didn't. he uh i was watching a game and the pittsburgh steelers were playing and they were like joey porter comes out of the game i was like that guy is what he is ageless it was his son son or grandson i was hoping for his son i was like i was like what is what sort of workout plan is this dude on joey porter is still in the golly ageless nope a whole other human being who who who who gestated and then was born and then learned to walk and talk had his first solid food went to school went to got a bike at some point like went through life went to college by the way you know stayed uh you know delivered on the promise of because a lot of people that you go play college sports it's like you know they don't make it to the pros even if they're good out of high school like did all of it and is now playing in this game and i thought it was his dad like that amount of life went by since i last thought about joey porter yeah but um anyway i'll uh it's not super what would be kind of funny let me see if i can find okay okay this is gardaki getting up now i wonder how the announcer is right and again there's no cart andrew there's no blue tent there's a guy who looks like you know your high school shop teacher in khakis and a cleveland browns windbreaker who's just kind of like leaning over gardaki in some like new like new balance sensible sneakers but this is before they had cycled

00:33:03 - 00:33:08 | Speaker 2:

back into being a cool statement but in his defense as he's smoking he's trying not to blow

00:33:08 - 00:33:20 | Speaker 1:

the smoke directly in his face try not to ash into gardaki's mouth okay and that is you know That's something, at least. I bet you that this is of that era where they won't even reference it, but let's just see what they say.

00:33:20 - 00:33:24 | Speaker 3:

One guy, get ready the next inning when that pitcher comes out onto the mound. Look at that.

00:33:26 - 00:33:39 | Speaker 1:

Look at that is what you got. So Gardocki gets right up off the ground. He looks over. He's pointing at Joey Porter, and then he throws him a middle finger. And what we get from the announcers are a look at that. I'll play it one more time for you.

00:33:40 - 00:33:45 | Speaker 3:

You throw it one guy, get ready the next inning when that pitcher comes out under the mound. Look at that.

00:33:46 - 00:33:52 | Speaker 2:

So they're predicting a little retribution there. I think that's where they were going with it. But anyway, interesting.

00:33:52 - 00:35:07 | Speaker 1:

So all that is to say, I have a doctor's appointment later today and I am already getting what's did we ever invent a word for this? Like where you're you're disappointed. I mean, I guess the word is anxiety really. But like I'm already feeling anxious about this doctor saying to me um let's give it another week and see how the antibiotic does or something or like not like like oh no this isn't this is optometry i'm just here to show you a series of letter e's and uh you need to see somebody else for uh you know any kind of actual like you know incision like i'm just worried that i'm going in thinking i'll have this thing off of my eyelid and i'm gonna leave with it very much on my eyelid and something you know kind of like what you were going through in the early days of the stuff you were dealing with this summer um so i i don't you know i don't know how it's going to go but again it's a very weird feeling to think i want them to inject or inject and also subject me to a lot of probably discomfort because it feels like it might move me closer to not having this embarrassment that I feel pretty much 2-4-7. Cut me!

00:35:08 - 00:35:09 | Speaker 2:

Isn't that what they say in the boxing ring? Just say that

00:35:09 - 00:35:12 | Speaker 1:

to your doctor. Cut me! I think Sylvester Stallone

00:35:12 - 00:35:16 | Speaker 2:

says that. Yeah, so there you go. Those are your marching orders. But that's what I'm thinking. I'm going to

00:35:16 - 00:35:19 | Speaker 1:

be begging the doctor, like, sir, could you please do, or

00:35:19 - 00:35:29 | Speaker 2:

ma'am, whomever. Do you know for sure that this might, well, it sounds like not because you just said that. You don't know if this doctor that you're going to see is the person who's definitely on the other end of the Renoverse chat?

00:35:30 - 00:36:29 | Speaker 1:

it's not it's a different doctor but who is an eye specialist okay so that's the whole thing is that like they're not none of the gps i think the gps actually i think a gp maybe would they take something off your skin maybe that's for dermatologists i i'm getting the sense we have doctors in the audience they could probably tell me i get the sense that the gps they don't do no cutting they don't that's not their thing if you're getting something hacked off of your body you're going to a specialist whether it's a dermatologist if it's a mole or in this case an iatologist um because it's my eyelid but the person i'm going to is allegedly a person who can try to do something about this so i'm really hoping that they will that they will somehow reduce it down through draining out what is definitely not pus or um uh you know or literally just take the whole thing off or something i hope they don't just send me out with another bunch of pills then you can leave the doctor's office put your

00:36:29 - 00:36:37 | Speaker 2:

sunglasses on to the sound of yes right my dad was like do you need a ride home from the doctor

00:36:37 - 00:38:23 | Speaker 1:

i was like i'll be fine i didn't even realize like oh yeah they're they might be sawing away on one of my eyes it's like i'll just oh i've one i unfortunately i have one eyed at home a couple of times um so uh we're gonna see what happens but uh i'm i'm hoping i'll have the other thing i'll say just quickly and then we can um thank the donors and move on is i was thinking about this on the plane today like it's gonna go from being something right now that's a little unsightly but it's not like overly pronounced to something that's unmissable like i'm actually going to a get together tonight with becca um at uh her brother and his wife's house and if things go well today i'll actually have probably a fairly nasty you might literally need a patch i might yeah or just bandages you know they like it'll it'll be worse than it is now but what i was thinking was i'm more okay with that i think part of why i told nikki glazer i was having a procedure today is because i think we have a context for procedures if somebody says to you hey i'm sorry i just had a little sorry about my eye i had a little minor eye surgery that's like your brain's like okay we have we that's a thing we can comprehend if i go hey i'm sorry i have this bump on my eye which is most likely not filled with pus but otherwise kind of slightly indeterminate then we're like all right well what is going on with that is that master krang from the uh teenage mutant ninja turtles like so i'm actually fine with telling people at the party tonight as my as my uh you know my my slight incision is weeping and i look like an extra from uh Clockwork Orange or whatever, I'm fine telling people, oh, hey, I had a little minor eye surgery. That, for some reason, doesn't make me feel embarrassed. This makes me feel deeply embarrassed.

00:38:23 - 00:38:29 | Speaker 2:

As much as you just, like, wander around this party muttering, it's not a Krang. It's not a Krang.

00:38:30 - 00:38:31 | Speaker 1:

It's not a Krang.

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It's not a Krang. Thank you for being a 10.

00:38:37 - 00:38:53 | Speaker 1:

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00:38:53 - 00:38:56 | Speaker 2:

Thank you, Kara. Lovely Austin, Texas.

00:38:56 - 00:39:16 | Speaker 1:

Yes. Head on down. See our pal Schaefer at the front page. Let's make it a whole thing. Let's do a whole TBTL Austin fun times. We should maybe do that again. That was really great So the last time we were there doing TBTL stuff Is we drove that RV out there And we ended up at like Stubbs Yeah It was good barbecue

00:39:16 - 00:39:17 | Speaker 2:

You were eating meat at the time

00:39:17 - 00:40:31 | Speaker 1:

I'll go back to eating meat if we go back to Stubbs For one day only Thanks to Lisa Belonger Of Nina, Wisconsin Nice, I don't know where it is but I like it I do too, great sound to it We love Wisconsin We also love Lindsay Swanson Who's in Portland, Oregon hey hey what a town i'll be in portland oregon tonight with or without an eye patch lindsey i'll tell you when i know uh rebecca papas is in seattle washington nice i'll be in seattle tonight great yes you will with two eye patches which is probably yes exactly i'm trying to get some shut eye you'll be at you'll be at bad alberts i um i went by bad alberts this weekend with becca We, um... And we went to Ballard to go shopping. I can't recommend that highly enough, by the way. If you're just looking to kill a Sunday afternoon, those stores on Ballard Avenue are just beyond charming. I love the whole thing so much. But we went by Bad Alberts, and I was like, that's Andrew's favorite bar to go to after the doctor? Sort of. I was like, baseball season, if he's got an appointment he has to go to, his happy place is bad alberts watching the mariners after the appointment is over would

00:40:31 - 00:40:55 | Speaker 2:

that be a fair statement i like talking to the fishermen there yeah it's i wouldn't say i mean that wasn't a judgment no i mean the thing is favorite place i think i would take that maybe i would take the smokehouse over that um but uh but uh yeah i do i i do there's a lot of good things going on for bad alberts especially of course as oft discussed i mean you want to talk about bad to the bone logo of the fat cat with sunglasses i mean the internal dialogue if you

00:40:55 - 00:41:20 | Speaker 1:

will the internal soundtrack of that cat could be nothing less than bad to the i can't see that sign without thinking it is like from a sort of what is that is the study semiotics like the study of like what images represent or something concepts that are represented by images if an image could represent a song in a way that was almost our role yes the bad albert cat is is is

00:41:20 - 00:41:27 | Speaker 2:

bad to the bone is the music of bad to the bone absolutely absolutely um stacy molyette is in

00:41:27 - 00:41:32 | Speaker 1:

spanaway washington stacy is good to the bone yes i know i don't put it that way because

00:41:32 - 00:41:37 | Speaker 2:

because her husband asked you to stop slightly awkward but yeah true story i have permission

00:41:37 - 00:41:43 | Speaker 1:

and i'm saying that stacy thank you so much for supporting tbtl and then joe fulcher is in redmond

00:41:43 - 00:41:49 | Speaker 2:

washington hey now i know i haven't been to redmond in a long long time i found that i may

00:41:49 - 00:42:39 | Speaker 1:

actually be going back to redmond remember how i said i was so relieved i probably was not going to be the voice and face of the software concern literally by saying that i manifested an email from the software concern oh really later that day going hey we're just so you know we're we're running things through the process of whatever to get this going and i was like boy thank goodness that they were not ready to do this whole filming right now because this would literally be the probably the week that i'd be i'd be like coming over to your house at 11 just like maybe not 11 but like 7 p.m just completely fried oh right yeah all right dude i don't know let's just talk about jeremy renner let's just get through this because then i'd be like reporting for duty on the east side like at like oh dark 30 with my eye situation i mean honestly i think

00:42:39 - 00:42:58 | Speaker 2:

they'd have to postpone the shoot or something yeah or or definitely or somehow work it into the script like somehow hackers got to your eyes because of social engineering i wasn't using good i wasn't using a strong password on my eyelid right exactly this is what i had logged on to a

00:42:58 - 00:43:13 | Speaker 1:

an unsecure network at a coffee shop uh using my using a retinal scan actually you know what hey we're doing it and that's part of it it's happening right here hey david are you listening Free content Kurt, can you hear me?

00:43:13 - 00:43:16 | Speaker 2:

Now I get my beak wet in that too Now that I've contributed Absolutely

00:43:16 - 00:44:39 | Speaker 1:

Are you kidding me? Hello and welcome to Top Story Alright, I know that we're Kind of jumping on this a little bit late Well, in the Moment of time we live in right now You and I are recording this on Friday the 6th I don't know, by the time you hear this It's probably definitely late and we probably know so much more about this story but i have to say that this shooting that happened in new york and this killing um of the executive from united healthcare and then the kind of everything that's happened after that has been really consuming kind of my my mind and my media interest i can't think of another time in my lifetime something like this has happened that feels so again i use this at the open but kind of cinematic in that you know you you have somebody you know doing a very targeted killing obviously but then is at least as of recording time has somehow kind of evaded full detection like the the sort of using a silencer and running down an alley and getting on a bike and getting into central park i mean it's it's somebody is dead and that i don't want to lose sight of that i don't want to i don't want to kind of elide that but like the every other part of this it feels like a matt damon movie or something i mean it's just totally crazy yeah and

00:44:39 - 00:45:00 | Speaker 2:

the fact that again as we record this they still often found the person which means i mean clearly it was very very specifically planned and planned to send a specific message you know people who are following the story know that there were like message words written on these on these shells on these bullet casings. I love when the media, the...

00:45:00 - 00:45:29 | Speaker 1:

the, you know, self-styled kind of real media, which, by the way, that sounds like I don't believe that they're the real media, and I actually do. But what I mean is the kind of serious media that doesn't want to say something that sounds kind of like they're putting their thumb on the scale or whatever, they have to report things like, you know, it's possible that when someone wrote delay and deny on bullets that were used to kill someone who runs a health care company, it's possible it was related to some sort of a coverage issue.

00:45:29 - 00:45:43 | Speaker 2:

Yeah, they keep saying that the police have no motive, but there were these things where it's like, yeah, but I mean, I guess they got to be careful. You don't want to, I guess, jump to conclusions, both as, I guess, the investigators and the old gray lady, as it were.

00:45:43 - 00:46:29 | Speaker 1:

right and then also just the other thing that kind of i found a little bit a little bit silly was these a few kind of like pieces i saw maybe in the times and other places where it was just like you know the new york officials are are desperately trying to make tourists because you know it's christmas in new york it's a big tourism time trying to make tourists like make sure tourists know they're safe in new york i was like i would say you're as safe today as you were two weeks ago as long as you're not running a health care company that denies people coverage Right. I think I think those specific people should probably be really careful right now. I think anyone else is probably just fine. Yeah. Like the idea that they have to treat it, though, like there's a mad there's a there's a mad killer loose in New York. It's like that is not how I am reading the situation.

00:46:29 - 00:46:53 | Speaker 2:

I have not been obsessed with this story like it sounds like you have been, although I've been, you know, keeping up to date with it. I did think and maybe somebody's already written about this, but I did sort of wonder, like, our other CEOs like last night, did they like really like, you know, get a security team around them? Like, I assume that a lot of people are surrounding themselves with security guards going in and out of buildings now.

00:46:53 - 00:49:49 | Speaker 1:

I think that there has been at a corporate level a bunch of new security that's been hired and details, you know, that have been put into place like security details, that is of, you know, the people at the top. and again i'm sure that it's like the ford motor company is doing it i don't have that on any specific authority but i just mean i'm sure there's a lot of companies that have like somebody have guards sleeping outside their ceo's house who probably don't really need to do that just realistically but you're not going to be the fortune 500 company that didn't take action proactively here and then you know had some other tragedy go on i mean just this i just know as much much as everybody else knows about this which is it very much seems like a person who was looking to send a message and also who my guess would be had personally experienced something that had radicalized them deeply like in the most in the most intense way you can be radicalized now what I was really and I want to again please don't come at me listeners like I'm not I don't want to be glib and I don't want to treat this like it's a Seahawks game because somebody lost their life and a family lost their father and their husband and like that's whatever you think about the way that united healthcare operates as a company and i think we all think bad um that doesn't change the fact that somebody was killed and that is not the way to deal with any of this stuff and i just want to be like i just can't be clear enough about that but also when i saw the story you know first it was man like i was doing something i was up really early when the story was kind of like cycling into the news cycle and the first thing i saw was somebody shot in manhattan i thought honestly i was like i'm surprised that made a headline you know in the new york times or whatever because like that's a thing that might happen on on an occasion but it was midtown and then not very long after it was ceo of united healthcare and then i was like i bet you that when the first one went out they knew it was him but they needed to verify and they they already had a sense of like okay this is not an your average crime this is something that is represents a lot more and then right after you know it was confirmed it was the united healthcare guy the first place my brain went and probably everybody else's was oh shit somebody who got who was denied coverage or had their loved one denied coverage did a thing that i'm sure many many people have fantasized about of how when you feel so wronged and impotent and life and death is on the line and you feel like somebody that you that you love is having their life go away unnecessarily because of a business decision i think that's the kind of thing that can really radicalize people so i think i had the thought that a lot of people had which was i bet this is related to the kind of business that this guy's in and then the response on tiktok went from well you know i can see a universe in which like to me a very to me a very um i don't know if this is a responsible

00:49:49 - 00:50:39 | Speaker 1:

take but a kind of moderated a moderate take would be nobody should ever hurt someone else we should never use violence towards each other and i really believe that and also you can understand to some degree a world in which someone felt so powerless that they that they you know took this bad choice which was to which was to end someone's life because it felt to them like the only recourse um you could and you can say i i'm not saying i understand them but i understand a world in which this could be a motivation then you have what was going on on tiktok which is people doing victory laps like the tone and maybe this is tiktok versus a more mature social media platform i couldn't believe it andrew people were like celebrating this which it felt i'd be honest it felt extreme to me like that felt like kind of also not a good look well

00:50:39 - 00:53:38 | Speaker 2:

over on mastodon um no just joking uh what was going on blue sky i was trying um you know i was following the story mostly in the news yesterday and just like kind of reading references to this and then whenever i like i had lunch with genevive and our pal durs yesterday and we were kind of talking about it at lunch and um like i so i'm kind of like getting i'm hearing from other people just like the response to this has been bananas because like you say it's either like victory laps or like a lot you know and what i have seen on blue sky or instagram have been sort of like well you know the the cheeky response is being like well i i my unfortunately my uh my plan doesn't cover uh enough sympathy for you or whatever you know that's a terrible that's out of hair work or something yeah terrible bastardization of those style of jokes but basically not having not just not having sympathy but also saying like well you are the you are responsible in your role in this company for not just making families poor but for also lives that were lost as well and so people feel and for me you know i i again i kind of mentioning this to in casual conversation when there isn't a microphone in front of me and i feel like you got to be a little bit more careful when you're broadcasting even to just 10 people like we are but um i don't want to come off as like somebody who's like trying to put everything into a pattern or but it does feel like the eat the rich movement to however you want to define that and i'm not saying about like that we're seeing more and more instances of people assassinating people but generally speaking whether you're talking about the celebration of orcas knocking over yachts or yeah the tragic story of that submarine that had a bunch of rich people in it that basically they all died at the bottom of the ocean but people were just kind of like yeah like you know i follow some you know pretty around and find out yeah exactly and i just feel like there is and when you hear about this particular one which again was i mean i'm i'll be very interested to hear if this was something that this person just planned by themselves it sounds like that's kind of what you're assuming or if the fact that he can't be found right now actually indicates maybe having a little bit more support in this whole thing but clearly again sending a message doing this i mean literally the person who did this i'm i mean i think that they are getting what they want at least right now in the story which is like everybody is talking about it they have a lot of sympathy from sort of the populace sort of in a really weird sick dark like batman way like yes exactly like and um and it's kind of it's it's chilling to think about but i also sort of think that like okay so this company united healthcare has been the the target of a doj investigation right i mean you i'll just assume what i'm saying is right and you stop me if i if i'm wrong but and like there is a sort of there's a beyond disheartened mint but a uh

00:53:38 - 00:54:22 | Speaker 2:

don't correct me on that one i know it's not a word but this feeling of futileness i think futileness um especially despair futility is the word i'm looking for thank you coming in especially when you think like well there's no checks and balances anymore like do we really think this new administration is going to really crack down on the insurance industry to make sure that they're not like harming people's lives anymore of course not and so i just wonder and again i'm not calling for an uprising or even celebrating in any way but i think you can see a pattern yeah of people just being like again sort of just eat the rich taking up this mantle of just kind of saying like we don't have recourse anymore and the world is an effed up place and we're out here dying in a

00:54:22 - 00:57:21 | Speaker 1:

certain way yeah i was i didn't have a sense i mean i think generally speaking most people feel like the American healthcare system is messed up and, you know, too much stuff is not covered by insurance and insurance companies famously are usually, in fact, I even got, like, a text from Kaiser yesterday. I wish, I think I might have deleted it. I wish I wouldn't have. It was basically saying, like, let's get you ahead of the curve on talking about payment options for your next procedure. In other words, they were, like, trying to get me to go into the app to figure out how much it's going to cost me if this doctor does decide to cut this thing off my eyelid. And basically they were already getting to the money part of things. They were, first of all, letting me know it's probably not all covered. I'm probably going to have, I'll have a copay and maybe, maybe this procedure is not, maybe it's elective. I don't know. You know, maybe I could just walk around with a cranberry on my eyelid for the rest of my life. Point being, most people have problems with their healthcare providers and I kind of knew that, but I didn't understand how deep it ran and how aggrieved people are until this guy got shot. and within an hour i just saw post after post after post that after post that was just like basically good you had it coming and i was like it was like a temperature check on how people are feeling and you're totally right i hadn't thought about this either andrew i completely i think has to do with the results of the election and the feeling that we were going into a really really tough four years where you know it's like trump announces fox as new head of the department of penthouses it's just like every single every single department is going to be headed by somebody who spent their time in private industry trying to disassemble and and and deregulate everything and now they're running all of it and i think that that feeling uh having that general feeling of kind of anxiety and impotence it's like the third the third time we've had impotent on this show is that does that mean anything well we're getting older is that a speak for yourself dude but anyway yeah i think you're right i think that the i think that there is a feeling of like you said eat the rich that is that is rippling through the culture right now and this it surprised me how no there wasn't i expected more people to do more disclaimers i expected more people to say what i had just said which was you should never kill anyone but also it's bad to deny people coverage that's what i was expecting and it was just like people were just like absolutely in full-on roast meme mode within an hour of the whole thing now this is the other thing that i've been really debating about talking about because maybe this kind of belies what i've been saying but and andrew i hope you'll i hope you won't think less of me when i say this but it's like i will admit and i'm sorry to say this that i am intrigued by the fact that this guy has not been caught yet and that i am i don't want to say i'm rooting for him because if it was my dad who was who had been shot i would not want the person who did it to get away but because of all of the

00:57:21 - 00:57:49 | Speaker 1:

catch me if you cans and the oceans 11 and all the look lore around doing something or you know i don't know the french connection the whatever you know maybe pick a more relevant film but like there is part of me i i don't want to say i'm rooting for him to get away but i'm certainly intrigued about his whereabouts and the fact that they haven't caught him yet i can't help but kind of follow it breathlessly in that way which i feel kind of shitty about but i'm just being honest

00:57:49 - 00:58:57 | Speaker 2:

that's how i feel well we've talked about this kind of reaction before which i think is a very human reaction even in like i'm going to say like prison break scenarios remember the famous one from a while back where like a couple guys broke out of prison and were like on the lam in new york yeah and like very rural areas up in new england and then upstate new york i think and maybe they were never in new england but um either way like you know that was that was an intriguing story i think we're just drawn to these stories and even in those cases where there was and again i want to be careful here but like this story we're talking about today there are sort of like kind of political and social implications of of the story which makes it even more sort of intriguing and interesting and like is this person like even though murder is a bad thing is this sort of like a man of the people you know um but with like a prison break i think the dudes were just like gross murderers right like i mean like again like now i'm doing moral relativism the fact that but it's just someone is you just root for the person who's on the lam you know what i mean like

00:58:57 - 01:00:00 | Speaker 1:

yeah yeah it's like an impossible whether it's bank robbing or escaping from prison or in the case of some although i will tell you this if this um if this person who lost their life if this person was murdered if they had just been like um working on a you know they were they were a roofer yeah working at the hotel we're totally not rooting for this guy to get away of course at all it's like so i can't separate those two things out i have to be honest when i say the sort of political and economic backdrop to this does affect how i think about it because if somebody i saw as completely innocent was gunned down my first thought would be like i really hope they get the guy. I wouldn't be intrigued by the guy getting away, but in this case, I'm deeply intrigued by the guy getting away, and I'm also deeply intrigued by what I think may be his undoing, which is that he was very, very savvy, it would appear, about keeping his face covered and his hood up in almost every, you know, like security camera and photo, and there is

01:00:00 - 01:01:11 | Speaker 2:

but there are two faces of his two pictures of his entire face and they are because he was flirting with the front desk person allegedly at the hostel that he stayed in and as i wrote on the ascendant social media platform blue sky andrew if this guy is caught because he was trying to smash that is an all-timer like for all of and i know that sounds like a joke but i mean that i really mean that like if that's the thing because they say well we're going to run all these dna tests and this and you know i i i'm kind of of the opinion that if he would have kept his mask up at all times including when he was checking into this hostel i think it would be difficult to catch him because you don't really have a good picture of his face they have his full complete face somebody knows who this guy is like that to me maybe we'll find out later that he did leave some dna at the hostel and then they found him in codis or something maybe they'll get him through more sort of uninteresting means but as far as what i've been able to read right now probably the worst piece of evidence against him as far as like what might actually help them catch him is this picture of his face which allegedly was because he was flirting with the front desk person

01:01:11 - 01:01:43 | Speaker 1:

at the hostel and pulled his mask down i um i hadn't heard the term flirting but i'd seen the photos and i gotta say my initial reaction was like oh man this guy's handsome um and uh and Now that you say that I look at this photo and he's definitely like striking a pose, you could see now that, you know, you say that CNN is describing it as flirting. But by the way, the DNA that they collected, which I think happened sometime during the show today, was actually from a Starbucks cup because he had gone to Starbucks. And apparently they found his discarded Starbucks cup near the scene of the crime. Oh, at the scene.

01:01:43 - 01:01:48 | Speaker 2:

I was going to say, yeah, dig through a garbage can in Manhattan. It's like which Starbucks cup do you start with?

01:01:48 - 01:02:05 | Speaker 1:

That's my understanding. I saw something kind of come through while we were talking earlier, and so that's why I want to kind of throw that in there. So it might be a combination of things, at least in identifying the person, although I don't know if, like, did you have to be in it? You must have to already be in a database for the DNA to match you, right?

01:02:06 - 01:02:53 | Speaker 2:

That's my, yes, that's my sense of things, is that if this person is, if they actually get some of his DNA and he's already in the system for something else, Then he's kind of sunk I think that will match up pretty quickly But if he's not in the system It doesn't really help them at all Unless they catch someone And they don't know if it's the suspect And then they match Compare the DNA But like There's one other thing That I don't totally understand About this story Which is They keep describing him As running through an alley And then getting on a city bike Which is like an e-bike Which is run by I think it's the city of New York Or whatever and then riding into Central Park. But I don't think you can start up an e-bike without some kind of a interaction, a payment interaction, right?

01:02:53 - 01:03:08 | Speaker 1:

I thought they retracted that yesterday. I thought they retracted that a long time ago and said that they think it was an e-bike, but probably not a city bike. Like his e-bike. Yeah, one that he had access to. I think I saw them retract. I could be wrong. I think I saw them retract that pretty early yesterday, though.

01:03:08 - 01:04:39 | Speaker 2:

Okay, good. Thank you. That solves one of my questions. Because I was like, you got to... and like let's say that he uses a you know a burner card to start the e-bike well like that burner card came from somewhere like anywhere you can trace something back you're kind of if you're this guy you're gonna probably get caught so that makes more sense if it was just a bike that he had stashed probably and jumped on but like yeah so that was one thing that i didn't understand but then uh yeah like just the the fact that he was clearly like did everything in his power to avoid detection with this and had what was a weirdly effective plan of how to do this and that the thing the petard that may hoist him at least as far as getting caught is that he was flirting and pulled his mask down it's just i kind of almost can't wrap my mind around it because like if that's his undoing that's just such a such a basic human kind of thing i guess that like i mean did he forget he was there to do a crime that if he's caught for it he will literally never see the light of day again like i just i can't believe he even had the thought in his mind i'm feeling flirtatious like again if this is the person who did it like i feel like my brain would be so over occupied with dread and tension and anxiety about this thing that was about to happen like that's the other part of it that i can't quite square with the photo he looks totally at ease i'm like i don't know did was he was he not for sure what he was about to try to do i don't i don't understand how a person can look that at ease when they're about to do something

01:04:39 - 01:05:00 | Speaker 1:

that is so life-changing for someone else and for yourself it's like the equivalent of um ferris bueller running for his life to get home running through a bunch of backyards and then jumping over a uh bikini lady suntanning in her backyard and then him stopping to flirt with her because he just, I mean...

01:05:00 - 01:05:10 | Speaker 2:

It's all Ferris Bueller, no. Right. Yeah, it's a crazy story. And, you know, like I said, I...

01:05:10 - 01:05:14 | Speaker 3:

Where do you get a silencer, by the way? Now, I shouldn't even bring this up because...

01:05:14 - 01:05:20 | Speaker 2:

There's apparently 5,000 or 5 million. There's stories about silencers, and there's a lot of them that have been sold lately.

01:05:20 - 01:05:59 | Speaker 3:

I don't understand why. I mean, you and I are the wrong people to talk about it because we'll just bounce off each other and drive each other crazy because we have similar views on this stuff. But, like, how does that fit into the Second Amendment? Like, your well-regulated militia needs to be able to, like, sneak into a place and shoot somebody silently in the night? Like, how in the world? Like, is it hunting? Like, how does anybody justify the need to legally sell silencers? Are they legally sold, huh? Yes, they're registered. You can make an argument for, well, I need to shoot something in silence. But quietly? But I'm not up to any no good. I promise

01:05:59 - 01:06:07 | Speaker 2:

I had never thought of it that way By the way, New York Times headline Manhattan shooter used silencer Nearly 5 million are registered in the US

01:06:07 - 01:06:09 | Speaker 3:

Great, and those are the registered ones

01:06:09 - 01:06:41 | Speaker 2:

I had never even thought of that Andrew, you're absolutely right How can you Are silencers cool as shit In movies? Yes If I ever imagine myself Wielding a gun and doing any kind of gun stuff Is there a silencer on there? yes there is because that's what happens in the movies but like from a second amendment or from a from a like this is necessary what what is the law-abiding explanation for why you need a

01:06:41 - 01:06:46 | Speaker 3:

silencer on a gun they do call me the silent assassin but it has more to do with my flatulence

01:06:46 - 01:06:50 | Speaker 2:

unfortunately college you they call you the silencer sometimes on somebody's segments

01:06:50 - 01:06:58 | Speaker 1:

here i go once again with the email every week i hope that it's from a female no man

01:06:58 - 01:07:06 | Speaker 2:

it's not from a female all right here we are in the just absolute last moments of the week any uh

01:07:06 - 01:07:11 | Speaker 3:

emails or emails yeah i thought this was a fun one this is from our friend summer i don't think

01:07:11 - 01:08:16 | Speaker 4:

i have to set it up uh hoi hoi this is summer ass your uh in-house astrophysicist self-proclaimed of course um i am time banding maybe a week uh behind and i wanted to give props to andrew for his prologue to romeo and juliet that's exactly the same passage that i had to memorize um but then luke's mentioning of some of the shell silberstein poems reminded me that there's one that i've always loved and i think of almost daily and it's the one called um well actually i don't know what it's called but it goes there's a polar bear in our frigidaire he likes it because it's cold in there with his feet and the meat and his face and the fish and his big hairy paws in the butter dish he's nibbling the noodles and munching the rice he's slurping the soda and licking the rice and he lets out a roar if you open the door and it gives me a scare to know he's in there that polar bear in our frigidaire so i love it almost daily when i open the refrigerator I'm like, in our fidgety dare That's it Power out

01:08:16 - 01:08:21 | Speaker 3:

Nice, now I want to I want to memorize that too, honestly

01:08:21 - 01:08:26 | Speaker 2:

And is that That's a Shel Silverstein too? According to Ash

01:08:26 - 01:08:31 | Speaker 3:

Or Summer rather, I just called Summer According to Summer

01:08:31 - 01:08:41 | Speaker 2:

She answers to both By the way, Summer, you do have the job And I don't want to take any of the shine off of it But I think you're also the only astrophysicist Who has applied for the job

01:08:41 - 01:08:44 | Speaker 3:

Would you call her an astrophysicist?

01:08:44 - 01:08:45 | Speaker 2:

I would.

01:08:45 - 01:08:50 | Speaker 3:

I absolutely would silence her. Maybe. That's how you earn the nickname.

01:08:51 - 01:09:15 | Speaker 2:

That's how we get to the weekend, my friends. All right. Oh, man. That will bring us to the end of our broadcast week. Thank you so much for spending this time with us. We appreciate you all. We're going to be back here on Monday with more Imaginary Radio for you. So please do join us for that. In the meantime, have a great weekend. Take care of yourselves. go Seahawks and please remember no mountain too tall and good luck to all

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power out

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