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Thanks for coming in. It's a great pleasure, thank you. This ship that was involved in the incident off Western Australia this week... Yeah, the one the front fell off? Yeah. Yeah, that's not very typical. I'd like to make that point.

Well, how is it untypical?

Well, there are a lot of these ships going around the world all the time and very seldom does anything like this happen. I just don't want people thinking that tankers aren't safe. Was this tanker safe? Well, I was thinking more about the other ones. The ones that are safe? Yeah, the ones the front doesn't fall off.

Well, if this wasn't safe, why did it have 80,000 tonnes of oil on it?

I'm not saying it wasn't safe, it's just perhaps not quite as safe as some of the other ones. Why? Well, some of them are built so the front doesn't fall off at all. Well, wasn't this built so the front wouldn't fall off? Well, obviously not. How do you know? Well, because the front fell off and 20,000 tonnes of crude oil spilled into the Sea Court fire. It's a bit of a giveaway. I just like to make the point that that is not normal. Well, what sort of standards are these oil tankers built to? Oh, very rigorous maritime engineering standards. What sort of thing? Well, the front's not supposed to fall off for a start. And what other things? Well, there are regulations governing the materials that they can be made of.

What materials?

Well, cardboard's out.

And?

No cardboard derivatives.

Like paper?

No paper, no string, no sellotape.

Rubber?

No, rubber's out. They've got to have a steering wheel. There's a minimum crew requirement. What's the minimum crew? Oh, one, I suppose. TBTL!

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well all right hello good morning and welcome everyone to a wednesday edition of tbtl the show that just might be too beautiful to live oh you're gonna love the live and tweedle out of this my name is luke burbank i am your host okay let's do it coming to you once again from somewhere near the West End of London, England, United Kingdom. It is, as you are hearing this, a Wednesday. By the time this is getting out onto the internet, I'm probably already on my way to Liverpool for the next leg of this adventure. But right now we need to focus on episode 4,401 in a collector's series. Let the fun begin. And the fact that having now finally visited an actual British pub for the first time in my life, i did not exactly have the experience that i was expecting to experience and i think it's because of something that um we can explain here this is why we can't have nice things involving the americanization of the idea of the british pub we'll get into that also when i get to liverpool there is the open question of if i should actually my plan right now is to come back on the kind of in the early evening 7 30 or so but should i instead change my my train ticket and stick around until the wee small hours of the morning so i can attend a premier league soccer match where you play to win the game i was looking up tickets it's liverpool and everton and i was looking up tickets and first of all they're very expensive but also they they tell you that these tickets are for everton people or these tickets are for liverpool people because i think the threat of real violence exists if they put the people together and so is that really where i want to just be rolling solo i don't know we'll talk about it with this guy the longest running cobro of the show maybe best known for his depictions of the tall ship it's a tough but rewarding job one that takes years to move into and yet he has he's andrew walsh and he's

joining me right now good morning my friend oh boy i want to jump right into that soccer conversation so badly but really quickly i have a question i need an update on your life that i think we have somehow i don't know just sort of passed up it was such a huge narrative last week about you prepping for your colonoscopy you had your colonoscopy late last week you did give us i believe the update of how it all went and it sounds like it went pretty well you might have even said your results were good because i know you mentioned a single polyp that they had to get out of there having said all of that I don't think you told us the most important part which was did you get an attaboy for your colonoscopy prep that was the most important thing to you not that you're a healthy middle-aged man but that you followed all the instructions

And that you were acknowledged for that in a roundabout way, in a round a whole way, Andrew. But in a way that, listen, you're the one that brought this up. I'm allowed to answer it in whatever disgusting way I choose. What I didn't get was what the very frequent response was when I was talking about this with people, which I talked to you about, which I kept forwarding you updates. It's like so-and-so just said that they got a real compliment from there. How is it that I still don't know what the person who does this procedure? I know they're a doctor, but I don't know if they're a proctologist technically or something else, an internist of some kind. What I didn't get was them telling me, oh, my God, amazing. Like, it was amazing in there. But here's why I think it was still acceptable. because from one of the nurses, I found out that they very regularly just don't do the procedure when they get in there. Wow. Yeah, that is a not uncommon kind of outcome, which is you get in there and you just look around and you go, we can't, this is just too much going on in here, and so we cannot do it. So the fact that they were able to do the procedure and I didn't hear any complaints about the situation, i took that to mean i was at the very least it was it was it was tolerable and maybe even it was good and just my particular doctor likes to focus more on my radio career than on how clean my colon was i don't know but i will but i will say that at least four people told me that they they were complimented as to the how clean things were and i didn't get that specific compliment

you know you just reminded me of something when i was young i want to say third grade we had a class project we had several of these assigned to us during my grade school

years we had a class project where we tell me this did not involve the human colon it involved

several human colons in a big spinny wheel the 1980s were such a different time i went to school the country it was just a totally different place um the uh we had an assignment to make a diorama and i think it was based on a book that we had read i don't know if we all read the same book or if we had read different books we had to make a diorama and the diorama that i made look you want to talk about thinking outside the box i'm still proud of this and i don't it might have been my dad's idea but i know that in this case i definitely am the one who implemented this i'm the one who created this you know how a diorama used to take like a shoe box and you'd set it on its side right kind of um what would that be horizontally i guess sort of like a movie screen and then you'd build a three-dimensional little scene inside of it well the book that i had read i'm going somewhere with this if you'll allow it i um the book that i read in hold on let me put on my barrister's wig thank you wait no you're a lawmaker um all right so the book that i read involved a couple of kids they got up into some misadventures right and at some point they get trapped or locked or imprisoned in some way in a little shed somewhere I don't know why it sounds dark it's not that dark but in their adventure somehow they end up getting kind of I believe stuck in this shed right and so instead of making like a scene inside the box where you could see a little shed in the woods or whatever we turned the box into the shed by putting it instead of horizontally it was vertical and i used popsicle sticks and i put popsicle sticks all over all four sides of the box right including the opening but then in the opening real little abner style and then what i do is a log cabin-y vibe and i had these little rubber hands that had come off some dolls i had now that i think about it too oh this is i think they might have been dolls yeah

i think they were like that's what the police are still trying to figure out it was the 80s it

might have been like some sort of like native american dolls or something too which i shudder to think about like how that was depicted but i just remember i and you don't like it when i tomahawk chop yeah i had some some toy where the hands kind of came off or something and And the toy was basically we were done with it as children and because we're pretty woke. And anyway, so I had like two sets of these small rubber hands and I kind of glued those. So it looked like somebody was inside the box, like two kids were inside the box. And you could see, I think maybe I use some googly eyes and these hands kind of looking like they were coming, you know, kind of hanging on the slat of the shed. Like they were like kind of peeking out from being trapped inside there. Right. So what does this have to do with your colon? Well, I was very proud of this. It's now somewhere inside.

They found an entire diorama in there.

It's inside you somewhere.

From my class project in third grade.

Not unlike Gatorade. It's in you.

No, I was very proud of this. I think literally it's thinking outside the box. I remain proud of it to this day. But here's why I'm the most proud of it, because I believe this was for a class where we had a very stern teacher. And I think this teacher specifically kind of was especially stern towards me. I don't think she liked me very much. I could be wrong about that. And she asked Luke if she could keep the diorama to show future classes, because she had a small collection of dioramas. that were so good she kept them as examples she wanted to put into the cooperston of that's exactly these dioramas that's exactly right the cooperston and so i um i remain very very proud of that and all of this is to say and by the way you sort of just unlocked that memory i think i've told it on the show before but i'd forgotten about it but um you wanted that of your colon prep

essentially right you wanted somebody to say to you to say i want to can we sir can we have your colon can we hang your colon on the wall like a pelt and you didn't quite get that as a message to everyone who comes in here that this is the gold standard of how one prepares and i i i surely did not get that and in fact well andrew if we're going to expand on this this is a little how do I put this is a little bit um this is a little specific so if you're squeamish you know I would say maybe turn your uh podcast uh device down for a few minutes

okay I'm doing that right now I'm doing that right now tell me when you're done text me

Bobby I need you to co-host Andrew's turned off the line no something that the the nurse because i was afterwards i didn't i wasn't directly asking for specific feedback about the condition that my colon was in which i think is the strawberry alarm clock did that right i just checked in was that is that jeff it's either jefferson airplane or the strawberry alarm i

think the original the original was what was that who does that rolling it's the um goodness gracious It's like basically it sounds like Bob Dylan, but it was them doing Bob Dylan, and it wasn't the Rolling Stones. It was the – I'll look it up.

Okay. Checking what condition my condition was in or something? Is that what they say in there?

That's the song, but what is the – oh, you know what? I'm also confusing – you know what? I'm confusing this with the song that's in Pulp Fiction, too. Just checked in to see what condition my condition was in is from The Big Lebowski. I was thinking of it as the Pulp Fiction song or the – no, no, not even that. What is the movie where they all wear ties? The first... That's Pulp Fiction. No, no, that's Reservoir Dogs. Reservoir Dogs. Remember there's some song that is playing, I believe, during a pretty brutal scene where he's got a guy tied up in the chair and they play a very Dylan... Oh, yeah, that's Stuck in the Middle with You. Stuck in the Middle with You. I get that confused.

A Jerry Rafferty tune, which we know because Stephen Wright in the soundtrack of Reservoir Dogs, it's K. Billy's Super Sounds of the 70s that Stephen Wright is the DJ of. So he's like this Beatles-esque Jerry Rafferty tune. I think it's how he sets up the... I could be confusing which song he's introducing.

That's Steeler's Wheel. That's Steeler's Wheel. That's why I was saying rolling before.

But isn't that stuck in the middle with you?

Stuck in the middle with you. Stuck in the middle with you is Steeler's Wheel, and that's why I said rolling. I was confusing like Rolling Stones with Steeler's Wheel.

I think it's a Jerry Rafferty-esque tune or something. Maybe. Which is, if that's what he says, that's also hilarious that anybody would be like, this sounds like a jerry rafferty song yeah that's a reference point so anyway i really messed up

this i just dropped in to see what condition my condition was in is uh kenny rogers and the first edition which is a great name for a band the first edition but kenny rogers had like i only know of

kenny rogers as like you know kenny rogers the country guy i don't know of him as the as the

just dropped in to see what condition my condition was in yeah he's young it's 1967 so i you know he probably had some country influence he was 45 i think yes he would live to 170 i think so so

anyway what literally what were we talking about what i i was not explicitly trying to get the nurse to tell me if i had you know if i'd gotten the andrew walsh treatment if if i was you know selected and if i was in the ring of honor so to speak but but she did say to me you know i said I said, yeah, I was really nervous about, or I think, I think the way I actually, again, this was at the moment when I really was pretty, if there was a time when I was a bit loopy coming out of it, it would have been this moment because I was only in this waiting area after the procedure for the maximum would be five minutes with the, with the nurses. So this one, I would have been the most kind of affected by it, but I believe what I asked was.

what, like, how did I phrase it? Again, I don't, I was mildly drugged up. But essentially, I asked, like, are you ever able to not do the procedure? Or is there ever an amount of stuff in there that means they can't do the procedure? And she says, oh, yeah, yeah, all the time, actually. She goes, a small amount we can kind of wash out, but sometimes we'll find, like, corn in there. And I was like, wow, that's vivid.

and also are you trying to tell me there was corn in there like that is so specific it's

relatable they can find a kernel of corn and they can take it out apparently that's not a game changer that's not a that's not a night stopper for them like they can that's not enough to stop

the process she also said that but wait a second can we talk about the person who has corn in there

though like did they read maybe they ate corn three days out when they thought they were allowed

to eat corn andrew oh you so it's a remnant i i thought you were talking about somebody who's kind of like well it doesn't matter i'll just eat a corn on the cob before my colonoscopy like

i don't know i was just hoping it wasn't me and if it was that was explainable yeah that's true i mean corn is famously one of those things that you you might consume and forget you consumed it until later on it's pretty un it's pretty unaffected by the by the digestive tract really

really yeah but i was getting mad i don't know if i'm communicating well i was getting mad on your behalf there because you're kind of like you're avoiding all this stuff you're keeping tomatoes off of your reasonable salad three days out loving the living tweet a lot of tomatoes lately i never didn't know what i had till it was gone that's what they say so i'm sorry so my reaction might be outsized and also i wonder if we're miscommunicating but my anger there is not at you, but at somebody who thought, like, they're going to scoff the law so much that they're kind of like, yeah, I don't know. They say no, you know, seeds or nuts. I'm just going to have one. I'll just have one corn on the cob the night before my colonoscopy. Oh, I'm so defensive about this all over. I know we don't want to talk about it. I appreciate it. We don't want to talk about it.

It's rare you get my back.

Super Bowl commercials. It's three days after the Super Bowl now, but there was one Bud Light commercial with Shane Gillis and Post Malone. I don't know if you saw that. and it's about this they have like it's like these they're presenting as two like boring like suburban guys just hanging out in their driveway and then they turn it into a cul-de-sac party eventually it's a very like classic bud light like let's turn this no party it's actually kind it's actually pretty funny it's got some good lines in there but all of that is to say it begins with one of them just being like you want to go fishing tomorrow and then i think it's shane gillis who says i have a colonoscopy tomorrow and they have a cooler of beer between them i'm like you can't if you have a colonoscopy tomorrow you cannot be like get away from that cooler and then they're smoking meat and stuff later i'm like either you were lying about having a colonoscopy later or you didn't read the the literature that comes with this or you're just

screwed they're turning you away shane not to mention what kind of damage to the colonoscopy preparation industrial complex is bud light doing with that commercial that's a good point letting someone even think that it would be acceptable to have even one Bud Light, that's very much not recommended because you will be dehydrated. And I will tell you, I was, I didn't of course drink any alcohol, but like I was weirdly dehydrated going into the whole thing because you have been going to the bathroom a lot. I was drinking as much water as I could, but like I had chapped lips, you know, which is a sign that your body is not hanging on to enough water. And then you have to stop drinking any liquids two hours before the procedure i walked in there like a california raisin and really one of the first things i wanted to do when it was all done was a get my plaque for colon of the year and b have some water i was parched so yeah the idea that that they're using that i have to have a colonoscopy tomorrow as a sort of a thing that denotes i've got to keep it together tonight tomorrow's no fun it's like buddy this started seven days ago if you're taking it seriously this is not a this is not a tonight problem this is this is you're you're you're in the home stretch of this if we're being realistic about the procedure you know i'm gonna take a

moment here also and we should catch up on your adventures in um grand old london that's not what

they call it jolly jolly yes i knew although it's around there pretty new also that's the thing i'm noticing it's a very some very cool architecture some activated outdoor spaces that are really

quite intriguing like before we get into that let me slap back at the haters though because i was going to say we'll get to that in a moment but what i want to say was i got two emails and they were both addressed to me i'm being actually kind of serious here that i found somewhat off-putting well no one of them i didn't find off-putting one was from a doctor who works in this field and felt like in during your

Thank you.

journey of this that we got a lot of things wrong i find it hard to believe that you and i got anything scientifically wrong that's not usually our mo we're like kind of experts on everything no scientific evidence to support that but as we go through uh as we go through you know our life adventures and we learn things and we communicate them and we talk about our feelings and our journeys and i think the audience usually knows that we're not getting everything right i do think when you're talking about getting screened for colon cancer it's something that is very very important to people and so people want to make sure that we're getting it right i truly fully understand that and i did get a note from a doctor who said i'd love to like set the record straight i could send you a bunch of bullet points or or have a colleague on the show remember the things that i supposedly got wrong i don't know about that but the thing is here fiber let me talk about no i don't think this person actually said what they got wrong but that was a doctor and that was fine but then i got an email i'm not even going to look it up i'm not going to look it up right now because i don't want to get too in the into the weeds on this and i'm sure you know this is somebody who listens to our show so this is a lovely person who supports us in many ways i'm sure but it was an email directed directly towards me i don't even think you were copied on it and she was very angry at me for i i guess apparently like like downplaying the need for colonoscopies or something that was like so not anything I've ever said. Like I have, even during your entire journey on this, I haven't said anything about my own feelings on it other than I plan on getting one soon and I'm embarrassed that it's taken me this long and I'm, you know, the next time I see my doctor, I'm getting back on the schedule and that I'm not interested in doing any procedure. Like I'm not going to do the Cologuard thing that we talked about. I am going to do the colonoscopy. That's literally all I've ever said about it. So I don't know what I said that made this person so mad that felt like I was like undermining the need for colonoscopies. But I can guarantee you, I did not do that.

I never did that. I think we were, if anything, I was sort of talking about how leading up to it, I sort of felt like, man, did I really need to do all this? This is kind of more of a hassle than I expected, etc. But then if this person listened to the end of the story, I was also like, wow, I'm so glad I did that because they did snip something out of me that, you know, by all accounts is probably benign. But that wouldn't have shown up in the so I feel like at the end, it was still a ringing endorsement.

It was a huge endorsement. I mean, that's what I thought when I read it. And I'm like, maybe this person's behind so they haven't gotten to the end of the story. And maybe they're hearing you talking to Chris Hayes or the day before where you're starting to have regrets. But also, this is our journey. This was you going into it. You were you were you were doing everything right. You were talking about it. I'll bet you there are people out there who have gotten also their like, you know, like kind of process started. You know what I mean? Because I know that I started thinking about this seriously when literally I heard somebody on the radio. Actually, no, I think I'm confusing that with COVID. I remember getting a COVID booster shot literally when during a baseball game, somebody said, you really got to get this done. and I just got mine yesterday.

I don't do anything Gary Hill Jr.

I will follow that guy off a hill.

Actually, I would as well.

I would. I love that guy. But no, for real, so sometimes just talking about this stuff does motivate people and I just sort of felt like you talk about this whole journey, part of that emotional journey for you, not me, was that you started to say, am I going through all of this? Because it is a big pain in the ring what you had to go through. But at the end of the day, you're like, I'm so glad I went through this. it was good they found something they took it out like i feel like last week's shows while taking us on like you know it had some narrative arc but was like a psa for people our age to get a colonoscopy and it's motivated me to like try to get the process moving sooner than later and then i get an angry email from someone saying how dare you like this is an important issue stop like undermining the need for colonoscopies i'm just like why am i receiving this email

I'm guessing that it has to do with something that we were talking about last week as well, which was this idea that Hollywood is making programming that is designed to be less interesting so that it can be part of the two screen experience. And we were bragging about how we're on the vanguard of that. And a lot of people listen to our show kind of with half of an ear. They're kind of coming in and out of the room. my guess is that this person was kind of minimally tracking what we were doing heard something that made them feel a certain kind of way and then maybe that day or a different day dashed off an email but if they had sat with the sort of rca dog style of intention that we ask of the listeners which is to sit cross-legged and cock your head towards the victrola if if this person have done that they would have understood that you're right this was the the end of this story was a full-throated endorsement of getting this procedure if it's available to you um because of all i feel great about having now had it and knowing that the indications are that my that part of my body is in okay shape and i can i can sort of rest easy hutch rhymes listen to this actually

i couldn't help myself i had to look it up because i saw it came in at night i think so i just saw it quickly and i just sort of like deleted it but i was like what so i'm going back and again i know that this listener is probably listening i'm not going to use their name although they wrote it they wrote into a show and signed their name uh i won't read the whole thing but it says grow up this is important everyone needs to let this whole anal slash poop thing go please education this important i don't know if i'm misreading this or if it's a typo but it says i would contribute to you guys but this iffy shit it gets hard to do this is big i'm just like okay like you don't have to threaten me with like not not everybody can or should contribute to the show depending on what their situation is but like let's not use it as a weapon what did i you're not going to donate to the show and like and i need to grow up because what did i say other than

i'm getting mine scheduled soon like please i would like this person to find the section of tape that where you said you know uh i don't want something in that part of my body or whatever they're like it sounds like they're also kind of framing it as like there was a certain sort of homophobic quality to it or like but we said nothing we said nothing of the sort no i mean we're one of the most fomic wait that doesn't make sense

wait that doesn't make sense no I'm not joking no we're one of the most

homo shows out there

neither one of us said anything that I don't even think we came close to that no I mean that's not

how we're that's certainly not the energy of this show that it's like I don't you know I mean I think I may have said something like the doctor went to a place no one else has gone before but it's you know I don't think the way we frame Star Trek joke it's just it's like yeah thank you like it's not like yeah leave nobody's coming near that part of my body like that's just not really the vibe i would be curious if this person could actually identify like really identify and and submit to us the section of the show the the either recording of it or the transcription of it where you were saying that and if anything they might have misheard something i was saying and and misconstrued my point or something but yeah i don't i just don't remember us doing that whatever that person is and you know they were triggered maybe they've been through some stuff in their life or in the life of someone they love. So it just feels really close to the surface. Yeah, that's what I was thinking. I would just say, you know, think twice before you dash off kind of slightly. And then the part that I'm a little bit like wondering about is the, I would donate to your show, but this makes it real hard. It's like, okay, so you're not donating, which like you said, totally fine. Everybody needs to do whatever is right for their bank account as it relates to this show. But like, i'm sorry but if you're in the we're not donating category then saying and now now i'm really not going to donate it doesn't hit me that hard because you're already not donating so keep

doing what you're not doing and we'll be fine yeah and i mean just for the record while we're here like i don't treat anybody differently or consider any kind of feedback we get differently based on whether or not you donate to this show some people donate some people don't do but it's It's weird to bring it up in that way.

Like, I was about to buy you a real pretty diamond ring, Andrew, but now, why would I?

Yeah. Anyway, but I- That's not part of the show.

I was just telling you something.

Oh, did you get it at the gift shop outside the Supreme Court? Anyway, I did not expect that to get so, like, kind of cruel on my, or maybe, like, emotional on my part. I don't think you're being cruel. I think that was a pretty- I just sort of just remembered it. That was, like, four days ago. I was like, that's right. I got this, like, why are people coming after me? I think it is also people sometimes, and I'm shocked by this, kind of confuse which one is you and which one is me, at least maybe by name or something. So the only way I sleep at night is thinking that that was sent to you.

I mean, it's very – first of all, I haven't checked my Gmail since I got – which is the program we use to get to our email account. So if you email me, luke at tbtl.net, I think I have to log in through the Gmail portal, which is famously troubling for me. And I figured I'm abroad. I'm going to wait until I get home. So it's very possible that they were trying to talk to me about that. I think, really, the takeaway from all this and the worst outcome is that I dropped a sleep easy Hutch Rimes reference that you couldn't even hear because you were so triggered.

I know.

I mean, how often does that happen on the show?

I'm sorry, Swoozie Kurtz.

I could not have told you she was in that movie.

I'm pretty sure that's a Swoozie Kurtz vehicle. Well, it's obviously a Stephen Weber vehicle. A Hutch Rimes vehicle. This is Steven Weber, but I think Swoozie Kurtz is, I just love saying Swoozie Kurtz, right?

You know what, Andrew, this actually brings me to something I wanted to talk about with you. I'm now trying to deep dive on, you're right, you're very right, it is Swoozie Kurtz, and I'll give you the classic celebratory bell.

Oh no, please don't. Why did your bell sound get so worse when you crossed the ocean? What happened?

I was trying to look up more about Sleep Easy Hutch Rhymes, which, by the way, I called Rest Easy Hutch Rhymes.

Oh, did you? I didn't notice that.

Yeah, I just want to note that. I want to honor that. I want to be accountable to the listeners.

Grow up, Luke.

but as i'm trying to go find out more about this uh movie to see if swuzy kurtz is in it i am hitting yet another wall with the way the internet works here in the uk and i'm guessing maybe a significant portion portion of europe maybe just here which is am i going to accept these cookies or not it is in constant constant will you will you will you take these cookies to be your lawful wedded cookies and it's it's very different than my experience in the u.s where maybe it's because i hit the thing that says remember this for the day and it remembers it all day or maybe it's because our rules are more lax over there but it has become kind of annoying to me where every time i'm trying to do something the internet is blocking me and saying scroll to the bottom agree to these terms are you okay with these cookies and then here's the weird part one of the options one option is accept all cookies and the other option is only necessary

cookies you see that in the states though right do you here's one yes well because i do see that

only necessary cookies now it's really manage cookies and then you hit that and then now you're in some nightmare world of trying to figure out what cookies you need and don't need is my experience in the u.s like i don't know how to manage the cookies i haven't even messed with that i just always hit all except see i was not hitting all for a long time because i thought I want fewer cookies I want things to be tracked I want to be tracked less and and so but in the U.S. after it was like manage cookies if you hit manage cookies you just they know that you don't understand how to manage your cookies because it's a bunch of weird stuff and also they're like a lot of the websites in the U.S. are set up so that if you try to manage your cookies and go I don't want your ads they will then just not let you look at the page over here there is legitimately a only necessary cookies button that works so i'm just smashing that all the time but i just i don't yeah which is kind of i guess overall it's an improvement because i do have to click on two things but at the end of the second click allegedly i am only getting cookies from these websites that are necessary to me whereas it's not a realistic option in the u.s in my experience

yeah i don't know i haven't played around with it i'm just always like all i just i'm just trying to get in and out of that site as quickly as possible but there is an increase in u.s sites now doing that right i feel like it's like one out of two sites i go to i have to like first go

through some like pop-up about cookies i'm surprised to hear that you were an all cookies guy or are an all cookies guy because that feels just like to me that feels like you're just handing over the keys to the kingdom i don't even know what that looks like but it's like again maybe i was just fooled by the illusion of managing cookies but like all cookies feels just like a real one night stand with this website that you know we don't know where this website's been before we don't we don't know its life and so over here again the annoyance is that it's constantly asking me but the upside is i can say only necessary cookies i can't believe they give you all cookies and only necessary cookies as two side-by-side options when only necessary cookies works yeah i guess that's get rid of all cookies at that point because nobody's choosing it

that's a really good point and i just always assume i just say all cookies because it just seems like the easiest path it seems like the most cookies yeah first of all it seems like noted cookie enthusiast i have been eating cookies lately here's the deal with me really you want to deal with me i'll tell you what i'm eating i am eating genesis i don't think of you as a cookie guy no i'm not i when i go to the store i don't ever buy cookies or really sweets really it's just not i mean trust me it's not because i'm living some virtuous life i'm just buying other terrible food and i'm putting in my body but like usually more like um savory stuff right i'm not a huge sweets person but when it's in the house like i just can't stop myself and it's always late at night too which is what they ask me are you eating a lot of sugar before you go to bed and i say of course i am to quote uh tim heidecker or is that uh eric wehrheim but But anyway, when this in the house, I lose all self-control and Genevieve had some people over a few nights ago for like a clothing swap thing. She'll do that or a closet swap or something. She has all of her friends over. Everybody brings clothes that they don't want or wear anymore, but it's in good shape or whatever. And then everybody like kind of goes home with everybody else's clothes. When I put it that way, it sounds sexier than it is. I don't know. I'm allowed to be here for because there's a lot of people changing clothes and stuff and they don't want me creeping around, which is fair enough. so anyway all of that is to say she had some people over but it was on a real snowy night so think like fewer people came than she was expecting which means uh fewer cookies were eaten than expected and now those are my cookies and one of them is just i think i like low quality cookies too because one of them is just like a a plastic tub of chocolate chip cookies and if you ask me what kind of chocolate chip cookies i like i'm glad we're here if you were to ask me what kind of chocolate chip cookies i like i would say i like something that is more chewy that if you bend If you kind of bend the cookie, it will bend before breaking. Like, I want a soft chocolate chip cookie. These are not like that. These are the kind that are really kind of crumbly. And they're still hitting right, though. They're like, the way you can mitigate the crumb situation is you put the whole thing in your mouth at once. They're like mouth-sized. And I am cookie monster. I am just like shaking my head. Crumbs are going all over the place.

And I can't contain myself. you know when i get into that uh situation sometimes is at the in a hotel like i'm in now where it's late at night this might have been more more towards the times when i was having more adult beverages but like they never have any good like soft batch cookies in the hotel room it's always going to be what you're describing like they're generally going to be a little smaller than like the typical size cookie and they're going to be mostly the dust of mummies yeah like there's something you might find at the bottom of a pyramid but when you're in the mood for that and when you just kind of like surrender to the process and you realize these are you know we don't go into the war with the cookies we want we go into war with the cookies we have and and you kind of get into a mode with them they can be really good so here's one other cookie

anecdote i have for you and this is becoming dangerous because i had i think i told you i had some people over a couple weeks ago we're playing darts and just hanging out and i wanted to get some snacks and so by the way quick update on my local grocery store that i had a sort of contentious relationship when it first opened because i was very excited that it was opening but then i learned that i can't take my backpack in there which was a problem for me because it's so close i like to walk there grab some groceries put in my backpack and walk home well a kind listener who signed their name anonymous sent me a very small backpack that i can that i it's like actually it holds a lot but it's very thin compact backpack that i can literally put in my coat pocket walk in there and then buy my groceries and then you know load up the backpack and head out and everybody's happy with that scenario the thing is that's not even necessary anymore because they don't have a daytime security guard i haven't seen the guy who is all up my ass sorry because we'll have to mark this one as explicit who was all up my ass about get over it grow up about wearing a backpack into the store. Like now that I don't have that sort of even mental block of going there because I'm scared I'm going to see my arch nemesis, the security guy. Now that it's just like freedom is free to me now, no matter what Harrison Ford said during the Super Bowl, freedom is free. I just go in there and I love this grocery store. It is so huge. It has a section for all of the American brands that I would want. You know, I told you when they were first opening, I'm like, if this is going to be like a discount store, I don't want to be getting like, I don't know, Scott's Cat Litter or something. Actually, Scott's might be a real name.

I mean, it would work great on your lawn.

Doug's Cat Litter is maybe. But no, they have like all the brand names I want. But also because the store is like three times the size of a normal grocery store, they have huge international sections. Like, I could buy a, like, 30-pound sack of rice, Luke, throw it over my shoulder and take it down to you when you get home.

Do you know that I have at my house, not 30 pounds, but it was probably, like, maybe a 10 to 15 to 20-pound sack of rice, and I am working my way through it?

Why did you – was it, like, a Costco thing?

I think it might have been Costco, and I was like, I want to start making rice. And to the surprise of everyone, chiefly myself, I've been making rice and I've been going to work. It's so shelf stable. Yeah. And like there's the satisfaction that I get from pulling this ridiculously large basmati rice like sack that, you know, came through the Strait of Gibraltar or whatever to get to me. And that every time I make more rice with it, I'm like, you're not you didn't just throw out this 20 pound bag of rice.

it's very satisfying the the ones i'm talking about like the whole store isn't like this but there are sections you can go to for various things and like they have this one section where it's literally like this size speaking of scots it's like this rice is like literally the size of a bag of fertilizer like that you would like kind of heft up at home depot and then get in your card right and it's like those yeah that's the kind i have is that the kind you have it's

amazing like i mean like this kind of woven like the material it feels a little bit like an ikea bag. Yes, yes, yes, exactly. It's kind of...

of nylon-ish yep yep and they have like even for like just freezer food you know like just quick air fryer food or whatever like it's expanded my boundaries i buy like these kebabs now these spicy kebabs of chicken and lamb and stuff i know you don't go in for meat but i'm just saying that like it's like it's the best of all the worlds i wanted which is like for the most part the prices are fine they're not i would not call it a super saver situation despite their name but ironic but But they do have almost everything I need for like a regular.

They do have a communicable disease, though, right?

SARS, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes. And they put H1N1 out of business. They were next door. But anyway, so I wanted to give you an update on that. But here's where it's a dangerous game and where cookies, accepting cookies, comes in is when I had a few folks over here. I went over there to buy a bunch of snacks and stuff, which is kind of fun because I can go into the regular aisle, like the American aisle, and get regular Fritos. Or I can go to the Mexican aisle and get, like, Mexican-flavored Fritos, which were good flavor-wise, but they're a different consistency, which I didn't like. Oh, wow. They're a little bit foamier, sort of, if that makes sense. Just a little bit. You know how a Frito is, like, really crisp?

Dense and oily.

Yeah, these are not as dense. They're a little bit airier.

It's like an event horizon of extruded corn, and that's how it should be.

That's what it says on the back of the bag. But also in this aisle with like kind of the Mexican chips and stuff are cookies. And I don't know that this is a Mexican brand necessarily, but they're just like the classic cookies that we grew up with where it's like they're little cream sandwiches. And one of the cookies is white and one of the cookies is black, but they're the size of an Oreo. And it comes like 30 in a box or something or like a little plastic tray or something like that. I bought those for, you know, this little get together we had. And then I'm sure people ate like five of them and then I probably polished them off in the next few days. And now every I am Pavlovian about this. Every time I walk into SARS now, Luke, I have literally found myself walking by them twice and eyeing them without quite stopping, like cartoonishly. And I'm not joking because I want to buy another bag. But I just know that if I just continue to keep them in the house, they will continue to disappear. I have no willpower. Like the only willpower I have is in the grocery store, not in the home.

Is it because they actually are really tasty and good or because like once you're eating them and once you've just kind of like changed your personal standards for the cookie? Because, like, for instance, my dad brings over all manner of weird treats to my house when he's working at my house, you know. And, you know, there's nothing consistent about his snacking other than it's always sugary and it's whatever grocery outlet had thrown behind the building. And so some of these are these crackers or these, I should say, cookies, but they're very kind of only lightly sweet. And I think they are also maybe from Mexico. I think that the packaging looks like it's in Spanish or something. And the first time I ate one of them, I was like, I don't even know if this is a cookie. Like it's sweeter than a cracker, but it's not as sweet as like a, you know, super sweetened cookie. But then there was one night where I was really hankering for something like this. And I just took these and I started dipping them in peanut butter. And it was like the perfect thing to dip in peanut butter. It was like a great peanut butter delivery system. and then somehow the sweetness of the peanut butter and the kind of mediumness of the cookie. Anyway, it made a whole thing, so I just polished those off, but I also have not purchased more of those. I guess my question, though, really is, is it the fact that you've reframed your expectations of these cookies and that's why they're so good to you, or are they legit just, like, better than if you bought some, like, Pepperidge Farm Sausalitos or something?

No, whatever cookie you're talking about is not what I am talking about at all, And I have found, what's the best way to reach you over there in England? Should I text this to you? Sure. I haven't found the exact brand, but I found the exact kind of cookie I'm talking about. And I think I confuse things by saying that these are Mexican. I just think that coincidentally, this particular brand happens to be in the Mexican aisle and might originate from there. I could be wrong.

Is it like bimbos or anything?

These are just the classic kind of cookies that you and I probably had at school parties when we were a kid. They're the size of an Oreo. They're like one cookie is beige. One cookie is dark like an Oreo with that same Oreo cream. But they're not Oreos. They're just like kind of off-brand. But they're not non-sweet or odd in any way. They're just like delicious. You can just pop them. And like for me, I don't – It's taking forever to cross the Atlantic. Sorry. You know what's the problem is?

The problem is it's got to cross the continental United States and then the Atlantic.

The problem is I am – it's stuck with your bags at SeaTac, unfortunately, it looks like. Is that it?

Hold on. And I'm going to have British Airways issue a tracking number for it.

Got it. Once you see this, you're going to probably have another name for these that may be more listening.

i just sent you some generic amazon brand of these cookies but like i don't know what you would call these growing up maybe that'll help listeners understand better but they're just like

school party cookies yeah yeah they're calling them duplex sandwich cookies by way of amazon uh hand baked by jeff bezos by the way um and they just yeah you're there he's pulling out of an oven he's wearing a little just oreos except instead of being all of the like kind of typical outside of an oreo they alternate between like a more vanilla i guess flavors it's like each one as you've already said is like one side is what we think of as an oreo ish or chocolate and then

vanilla right and then with some cream that's what i'm guessing yeah now this is not what you're talking about when you're talking about dipping things in peanut butter these don't need to be

no i don't even know what those things were and i guess what i mean is i went on a journey with it where like the first time i ate one i was like how are they even how legally how are they even allowed to call these cookies because they're so lightly sweetened they're almost like a communion wafer or something and then because there was no other cookies in the house i revisited the topic at some other point and was like okay i can kind of hang with this and then every time i'd go have another one over the course of a week i'd be like i'd get more into it and then eventually when i was hitting it with that peanut butter i was like oh this is actually really good so i was wondering if because again you could be buying what are those actually these are not soft but there's those um british sounding ones that are very popular people like it starts with a t something you'd think i would know that's a chocolate not to bone like there's a there's a listeners are throwing their phones right now there's a particular kind of like british cookie that's a chocolate chip cookie but it's actually known for being crispy but it's in the part of the aisle where the pepperage farm i think of the fancy cookies as being anything that is stacked like Like, instead of being side by side along a horizontal plane, they're stacked on top of each other on a vertical plane. And there's possibly a little, like, Elizabethan neck collar in between the two tiers of the cookies. Yes, yes, I know what you're talking about. Like, I was raised to believe that, like, a Pepperidge Farm cookie was roughly $1,000. Like, we would never have those. But I was like, that's the highest form of cookie in the store.

I did buy some of those around the holidays. I think we were going to somebody's house, maybe on New Year's or something. So, and again, like, here's the thing. It was one of those things where I was walking up and down the aisles looking for snacks. People don't, I'm always sort of at, I don't know if my friends look at it this way, but I'm sort of at odds, I feel like with my friends and the snacks or whatever, because our friend group is really into like various flavor blasted things. And they like to like kind of try new flavors of things. But usually that's like kind of some sort of fake cheese flavor or whatever. Like my friends just like a bunch of like kind of snack foods that I am not into, or they're just like bringing cheese dips and all this stuff over. And I'm just like, well, if I'm going to want something that I'm going to have to bring my own snacks. So then but I'm not good at shopping for snacks and I'm not good at planning things out. So I'm like a child in there. And I just walk up and down the aisle being like, I guess I like ruffles. I guess I like these kinds of cookies. I know what you mean. I like these meat sticks. And then I come over with just like a bunch of weird random stuff. And I bought some of those Pepperidge Farm Oval cookies that have like just a kiss of mint to them or whatever. I had, you know what I'm talking about? they're like they're little tiny tiny sandwiches but there's the chocolate ones and i think mine maybe had chocolate with just a hint of mint oh my goodness they hold up i don't know have you been able to afford them yet have you only seen them like by pressing your nose up to the window

at mr potter's store it depends on how the donors the thanking of the donors goes today but i'm i've been saving and i've been planning and i've been cutting a lot of costs and i think i'm almost ready to get to a what what do they even call those ones milanos maybe yes yes yes yes that's it milanos yes oh by the way the other uh the cookie i was trying to remember this is too late for everyone they're tates t-a-t-e-s and they they're in a similar packaging to like a a pepper farm in that it's kind of like a white you know bag that's kind of slightly elongated and it closes at the top and i always saw those and thought those are but those are like those are the opposite in terms of their texture or whatever you want to call those things are like crisp as anything but um but yeah those milanos oh those i think there may have been literally one time in my childhood that there was one bag of milanos in our house and i think it was a whole situation they may have been being hid from us children i think my mom and dad do mess with milanos now but this is their move they put them in the freezer my i don't know what your parents do around this kind of stuff i feel like there is an age where people just want everything to be more frozen like that's the that's the key like you know you ever had this you ever had these uh reese's cups right out of the freezer you ever had these cookies right out of the freezer i'm

like no i don't want everything to be frozen i probably lean a little bit more towards that than you do not everything but like i don't like opening up maybe it's part of a messiness thing

too but like i think it was maybe around halloween time genevieve bought a bunch of candy for trick-or-treaters we didn't get many trick-or-treaters i believe it was like pretty rainy night and so we had a bunch of those you know what they call fun size candy bars let's not let's not litigate whether or not they're more fun or not but um like i remember taking a handful of those just like putting them in the freezer and then pulling them out of the freezer like you know having a couple at night or whatever and so i think maybe i do might be my

towards that my poor dental health because what happens to me is like let's imagine i'm pulling a quote-unquote fun size snickers bar snicker bar or snickers it satisfies i'm pulling a fun size snickers bar out of the freezer and it's not more fun for me to bite through it when it's totally frozen in the middle i guess i could maybe suck on it you're right really what i'm wanting to do is i want to raise its core temperature to the temperature it would have been if it was in the cupboard then i can eat it it's like why did i introduce this step to the process you know now

i mean i know that what i told you is a true fact now i don't go in for snickers so like i feel like oh yeah that sounds terrible to me right now because the snickers has all that caramel in it right and that's gonna that's gonna freeze up and that's gonna be a real tooth buster so that doesn't sound good to me although i don't usually go for snickers i wonder if that's why like i'm thinking of like a a three musketeers which is pretty soft nougat anyway so i sort of feel like

maybe out of the freezer that would be a better product for the job i just feel like my parents my my mom is just you know my mom is quirky as everybody on this show knows everybody who listens to this show knows and one of her quirks is that she just i think whether or not she's even really interrogated if it's better or not she has internalized this idea that freezing a lot of like sweet things improves them and i would just push back on that and say most of them in my

experience are not improved by being frozen you know the one that i really zig while everybody else zags on this though is the charleston shoes i don't know if you recall but like i had never had a charleston shoe until a couple of years ago and then it became for some reason here on tbtl a big part of the the narrative charleston shoes for a while and so i i but then i couldn't find any in stores it was like it was hard to find but then our boy rodent told me about a sit goes no we don't have sit goes out here what do we have sit go stations out here i feel like it's a sit

go station in like there are a few but i don't think they're as common as in other places in

the u.s there's some gas station and i can't it's like 148th or something in greenwood or something

like that right across the line right when it stops being the city of seattle they're allowed

to sell charleston cheer yeah that's probably why you have to go to shoreline no i think i got those cross streets messed up but anyway he's like you gotta go to this particular gas station they have they have all three flavors of charleston shoes so i went and i got all three flavors and a lot of people including the stew bot said like you're supposed to you know you should really try freezing those things and they even said on the package like try freezing us yeah it says on there i

remember that from charleston shoe when i was a kid they were already encouraging you to freeze

See, I liked those much better non-frozen. Those things were just too hard and unenjoyable, I felt like, out of the freezer. So I don't know where I stand on this. I'm all over the place.

Again, you would be, in my opinion, just trying to raise whatever chunk of Charleston chew is now in your mouth. You're just trying to get it up to the temperature where it's soft again so you can chew it and eat it. It's like, guess what? That's how God made it. That's right. God didn't make no junk. all right let's thank some of our daily donors today who are making tbtl possible they're giving us charleston chew money and we are so grateful and you know what you said on the show yesterday andrew really resonated with me about just the kind of the world at large and also the the circumstance for so many people whether they're in the federal government or just in a particular industry or a kind of space a work space that is under attack needlessly right now like we're very very lucky that talking about charleston chew is at least for now our job and it's thanks to folks like steven waterman in san luis abispo california

thank you steven do you have a slo do you have a you have a connection to san luis abispo well

not not a big one when i was covering the michael jackson trial i remember that we went up to a place called the or at some point in my life i went up to this place called the cold springs tavern that's in san luis obispo because the the big thing around there is santa maria tri-tip and that that back that was back when i did eat me some meat and boy that was the maybe one of the best meals I've ever had in my life and I kind of SLO kind of got filed away in my mind as a as a very very cool and desirable place and that was before i knew stephen waterman lived there do you know

and this is the truth of the matter and you might have even heard me hesitate i'm scared of that name not stephen or even waterman i'm good with those or even california abyspo like i always like i see it coming and i freeze up and then i'm what is it lewis or louis you say slo slo i didn't know

i could do that they do it that's a thing you just go like slo then you don't even have to get into the abysponess of it you don't have to stare it doesn't make sense you don't have to stare into

the abyspo it stares back that's actually it doesn't make sense i'm with you on that joke i

don't i don't know exactly it spiritually makes sense more than more than like factually or

logically i don't know the strict outline of that joke but i'm here for it in some way or another

thank you thank you very much thanks also to meg has of atlanta georgia now i'm seeing this last name i'm seeing this city and i'm seeing a lot of indications that you made do you know this person

yeah this is genevieve's mom this is a very interesting development i noticed my bell where sorry meg um this is this is bananas i'm pretty sure we like a quarter of our income now comes from genevieve's family i believe this is i i knew that meg was listening from time to time

Could you take it down to, like, a tenth of your income, and can I have a tenth of it? Could it become a tenth of my income? I wouldn't mind that. Give me a couple of jams.

It's called tithing, Meg. Look into it. No, this, I mean, thank you so much. I mean, this is, I saw this coming up at the end of yesterday's show, and I was pretty shocked by that. I can't believe that. Yeah, you forward promoted it. I'm, like, literally blushing right now. So thank you, Meg, for supporting TBTL. Yeah, thank you.

We've now really, really locked in the, now, does Meg go, is she part of the HASS or HASS? I believe has.

I think the difference is haze or has. I think it's always pronounced with a Z. I could be messing that up, too. And this would be a bad time to mess that up. So I'm just going to let it go. Thank you, Meg.

Appreciate you. Thanks also to Bill Sonnenberg of Boise, Idaho. This is Becca's stepfather.

I almost believed you. They're not on good terms. But love to show.

I mean, the way that these things come together sometimes, it's just remarkable. um thank you bill so much um thanks for checking in from boise idaho is bill wait bills bills we have not established if he is in fact on the bench or not i don't know i don't know the bench or the

shelf let's see here he's the is he the mench on the bench or the elf on the shelf or elf on the

bench on the bench because elf on the shelf is the yeah is the is the one that everybody does so elf or mench on the bench is the other one it's also and you don't believe in a god as we're talking about this andrew i'm not kidding my dad is literally texting me pictures of these shelves

that he's building oh are you sure they're not benches that's the thing i'm unclear on the

difference is there an l for a mention some of them are some of our benches some of our shelves that have a bench you can sit on top of that is a true story oh oh that sounds nice yeah dude like a built-in whole built-in situation what i am trying to do is i i see things in high design magazines and then I ask my father if he can try to build some version of that for my house and so far so good so thanks again Bill thanks to Jennifer Evanoff of Chicago Illinois thank you Jennifer

appreciate that I'll be in Chicago Illinois

three times in the next three months doing wait wait don't tell me which is funny because I wasn't sure if I worked on that show anymore and then they were like oh but could you actually do it way more than normal for a while so I guess I am I guess I passed my personnel review yeah well congratulations whatever the holdup was and congratulations for jennifer for me being in the same city as her

three times in the next three months i'm so sorry jennifer thank you for your donation

thanks denny goulet wait a minute wait a cotton pick in hold on actually do we say that way to cotton pick a minute i don't know sounds it didn't sound right when i was saying it do you understand that yesterday we thanked denny and denny's partner of edmunds washington and today we're thanking Denny of Edmonds Washington are we do we have are we triple Goulet out in Edmonds Washington or we it's Denny donating twice what's going on we think I'm looking at the record here

yesterday we thanked three people from Edmonds one was Carmen Marshall that is not that doesn't enter this equation at all no then we thanked Dave and Aaron Goulet of Edmonds Washington now we're thinking

they've got to be part of the Goulet's of Edmonds

these are the Edmonds Goulet's

the famous trapeze artists the Goulet's of Edmonds they traveled all over the west in the 70s they've got to know each other I mean how many Goulet's could we have thank you Denny Thanks also to Kendall Dodd in Bellingham, Washington. What a city, what a town, what a place. We had a, like on Livewire, we do this thing called station identification location thing where I have to see if Elena can guess a place in the country. And without giving too much away, it was Bellingham. And I felt very like invested in her getting it right and sticking up for Bellingham because I'm always going to have fond thoughts about the city of subdued expectations. Bellingham, Washington. Thank you, Kendall. Thank you to all of our donors today for making TBTL possible. The Bay City. How quickly I turned my back on my own social movement. I did not accept that it was the city of subdued expectations. I was trying to make it the Bay City, and now I've forgotten. Anyway, thanks to our donors for making TBTL possible today. Hello, and welcome to Top Story. All right, Andrew. If I can just rip through a couple of these things that I sort of mentioned in passing at the top of the show that I wanted to give you some updates on, including basically, this was more yesterday's show, but I said that I've been having some issues walking around London. I have noticed that London walkers, people walking in London, are not in a rush. Like I don't think of myself as a go-go guy But I mean when you're walking in New York City Particularly if you're in Manhattan It's like you know Everybody is really getting a move on And I have found myself What do you usually say

If you're walking in New York City Kind of quickly And if somebody kind of gets in your way What would you say to them

I would say I'd like to be walking here But you're making it hard on me

Yeah that's what I thought Classic New York I love it I can feel it I can feel it in my bones I need to visit that city

but like I don't again I don't think of myself as a well I might be a bit of a nudge which is different than being pushy I feel like pushy is one thing I'm more like a I will be walking in a place and I'll be walking kind of quickly and I'll be weaving around people but I won't be saying anything to them and I won't be bumping them certainly I'll be trying to if I want to get somewhere fast and people in front of me are going slow I try to solve it myself not like say to them hey you know could you hustle up or anything or i don't know i try to make it my problem not theirs you jump off the curve for a second if you need to absolutely in fact i was thinking about that yesterday when i was at saint james park which is kind of this mall that kind of connects up like um buckingham palace and other kind of important things sort of like the national mall in washington how you've got all this big stuff ringing it it's a little bit like that and i you know families are coming my way and they're taking up the entire path and whatever i just i'm gonna there's one of me there's eight of them i'm going around i'm just going into the grass it's fine that's kind of my move sometimes i feel like i should stand up for myself more when it comes to walk in here because i my my default is really to always be the person stepping you know out of the path that somebody else is on so but i have been surprised i just figured london was going to be very much like new york that it's just going to be kind of every person for themselves, and you're just, you know. I would say that the being on the phone has been less pronounced here in my experience, but the difference is for the last few times I've stayed in New York, I have, weirdly enough, voluntarily stayed in Times Square, which is really the epicenter of people mostly from out of town who are very on their phones. They're excited. They're in New York. Everyone's on their phone in Times Square, and it's a total nightmare. I'm not seeing that as much here So that's at least kind of nice

Sort of, you mean on their phones Meaning like taking photos Meaning like staring down at their phone

And or taking photos Doing things that are making it harder for them To kind of like be a participant In this sidewalk that we all exist on You know, that we're trying to all Kind of do our thing on

I guess because you said they were tourists I wasn't sure if there was something specific about that But you maybe meant tourists Just because they're just like not Paying attention to the flow around them and just sort of are like kind of like checked out and doddering along?

Well, no, if they're tourists in Times Square, my experience is they have their phone out for like one of three reasons. One, they are about to take a picture of something, which would include a selfie of themselves and whoever they're with. Two, they are FaceTiming with someone from somewhere else and they're like, I'm in Times Square. And the third one is because they want to ruin my day.

Yeah, that's the third thing. It's one of those three reasons. Stop remembering that. Right? Yeah. Well, that's why I asked you on yesterday's show. I was like, what is the – because I almost specifically asked about this. Like, what is the situational awareness? I always just assume that Europeans are better than us at everything. And so I just figured the description of people –

They are better than us. I feel like there's more situational awareness.

There is. Yeah, although I will say that sort of – like and this is again this is just a me problem and I really try not to complain about it too much just you know just in my head or whatever but like it really kind of bothers me when I'm walking on the sidewalk and you know like let's even just say it's like maybe it's like baseball season and it's kind of like in downtown and so you're starting to get some groups of people like kind of coming together and like walking down the street together but I'm not talking about being in like a really congested line outside the stadium i just mean like walking down the sidewalk and there's like three people and they're all just going to walk shoulder to shoulder even though it's like pretty busy and they're not going to worry about anybody else's pace they're just going to walk shoulder to shoulder to shoulder and take up the entire sidewalk and then if anybody's walking and because i'm usually walking alone because i people do not like to be around me and so i'm usually walking

alone and when i'm walking they've heard about the incident with you and the staircase

the staircase too famous line cutter I'm not even that fast of a walker if I go on a walk with Genevieve she has to slow herself down I'm not super speedy out there but when I'm walking by myself you just tend to walk faster than you do if you're in a group of people and I don't understand when I'm walking with Genevieve I am constantly not looking over my shoulder but trying to be aware if somebody is coming up behind us and then I will get behind her and kind of go single file for a moment like we were just doing this walking around Fremont which has some pretty narrow sidewalks a couple of weekends ago and I remember a jogger was coming by so I could hear them behind us so I quickly kind of got over like people should share the sidewalk this just sort of meandering just like well I don't care I'm it's just like whatever it's it's me and my friends we're just gonna all just like take up the sidewalk as much as we want

to I feel like it's kind of rude I agree with you that it is it is thoughtless and thoughtless is kind of an extreme statement but it is you're not giving thought to other people's experiences i would also say that you are exceptionally aware of other people and also of not trying to take up space in a way that is like probably sort of the other extreme yeah right well i'm not saying problematic i'm just saying like like i i think if everybody was the way that you are everything would flow smoother and everyone would be more thoughtful but i also don't think that's a realistic standard for people but there's something south of what you're doing and north of what people i mean the way this really manifests for me is when i'm jogging because usually i'm just physically tired and kind of like don't want to have to do any extra movement of like changing my kind of trajectory and then when people are just like you know blissfully unaware that anyone else is in the world and they're just like chatting with their friends or they've got like four dogs but they're somehow just taking up all of the space and not trying to make themselves a little smaller to help with me getting through i get really annoyed in my head um so definitely the like you know yesterday when i was out and about plenty of people were doing exactly what you're describing they were just like out they were chatting it up they were chopping it up they were looking at you know the westminster abbey and they were not asking themselves how much sidewalk am i taking up but also because i was by myself i think i just kind of feel like i'm a lone wolf i'm just here i'm a wolf pack of one and i'm here just to kind of like sneak around everyone and possibly steal any free eggs that i see i'm sorry that's more foxes that's more of a fox behavior i think oh don't you feel like i don't even feel like that's like a like a tendency like where foxes will like sneak into the hen house maybe they just kill the hens or they'd

steal the eggs or something i was just so confused i i thought maybe that was like uh some sort of a joke about current events and the price of eggs and then when you said fox i thought you're talking about fox news i was like is fox reporting people i know i'm so sorry that's no i don't know i'm

just i'm sorry none of us have recovered from them using that font in the game what do you call it

the score bug or whatever it's called i don't think that's quite right either but that was weird wasn't it yes why was it so big it was very very i like a minimalist look and so i like that it wasn't like super complicated yes score bug i think is what you call it right but it was also very very big and i don't understand why it had to be so big if it had so little information in it

it was weird it was a design choice and um i don't know if most of america agreed with it one other thing real quickly british pubs i finally went to for the first time obviously because i've never been here before i decided okay i'm gonna go do like the full like fish and chips i'm probably not gonna do a full english breakfast because it's so much stuff that i don't eat it's like how many preparations of blood sausage do i want to be either paying for and not eating or choking down in some weird way also i did a kind of a version of it when becca and i were flying to europe this summer because we had a layover in dublin and the restaurant had basically like an irish breakfast which i think is pretty similar in that it was eggs and like beans they love those beans on toast

and everything so i've had a little bit of that it was fine actually but i did want to try to do fish and chips that's a you know classic thing so i went into a pub and got the fish and chips and sat there and it was okay but as i was looking around and as they were bringing the stuff out as i was sitting there i thought have i been here before and it's like no i haven't been here before But what I have been in is in roughly 1 million either Irish-themed bars in America or British-themed pubs. I guess they're both called pubs, technically. But, like, the fact that the default setting in so many kind of, you know, towns in America where you wouldn't think there's a particularly strong British or Irish history. Like, the fact that Irish pub—and I'm going to blend these together. I know they're probably slightly different. Don't come at me. But like the idea that this is just also the thing you go with if you can't think of a better pub idea kind of ruined me for the real thing because it just felt like a million pubs I've been in in Scottsdale that are like this.

Yeah, I don't know how to respond to that because I don't relate. Now, I'm not somebody who's necessarily drawn specifically to an Irish pub or an English pub, but I know that since I've known you, I know that you have you just don't like that scene.

you've you've always i don't like it in places where it has no right to be andrew no i don't like it in a place where it seems like it there isn't any particular backstory of it being there other than they were like well what do we think we'll get people in here we'll have this irish pub in this airport in you know some place it doesn't seem to have a particularly strong irish

community or whatever yeah i don't know like well first of all i guess maybe like i was a young drinking person in boston and so boston obviously has a huge that's got a lot of iris pub you know connection so when i was younger and going to bars i don't think i was like kind of distinguishing all that much and like i could understand like you know if you go to a generic if you go to some generic place and it's almost like uh like we were kind of joking around but you're gonna go to america land while you're over there and it's gonna be oh by the way i saw

america land i took a picture of it i meant to send it to you okay i'm not kidding there's really a place that's like American-style food. I wanted to send it to you and say, I found it.

Now, I think I said that, too, as a bit of a joke, because you remember in season three of Arrested Development, there is a part of town, where do they live again other than Sudden Valley? Where do the Bluths live?

It's in Arizona, right? Is it Arizona? No, it's in California. It's in Newport Beach.

I thought it was California. I couldn't remember what community, but... I think it's like Newport Beach. But then in their community, there's a little Britain and he falls in love with a girl in little britain but then she takes him to an american style restaurant that's in little britain so it's just it's so funny but uh all all of that is to say yeah like i know that i don't know i just don't distinguish it that much like for example and again i'm not i'm not trying to debate this i don't i don't have any i don't have a dug on this flight in any way because it's not like a scene that i'm looking for necessarily but like remember i think six months ago or so maybe a year ago you and i got into like such a micro conversation about a place i was trying to think of on finney ridge remember we're on google maps together and we go through the s curve there by the zoo house or was it the goose the snow goose the thing was it was the 74th street ale house oh yeah yeah and you had never been in there and then i go in there and i'm like this is sort of like it's very very cozy and they were serving some sort of like a like a stew or something that I think I got it might have been a cold day and whatever and I'm just sort of looking around I'm like oh I see this is a this is an English pub like specifically it was English I think even in the bathroom they had a mind of the gap like of course they did right but like this place has been around for I think a while I think this place I looked it up at the time and it felt like it was maybe established in the 90s and it was because that's right I looked it up and it said like the the founder had you know spent a year abroad and came back and wanted to recreate that experience and in seattle because he liked it so much in england and i'm just kind of like i don't know that doesn't seem i don't i don't take umbrage to that it doesn't seem so fake to me so we do that for all kinds of style of places and you know and there are some style of places that you might not be in the mood for you might not want so you don't go into it but i don't get a i don't like feel like oh you've been betrayed and and you've been you've been conditioned to not like it in england because you dislike them in the u.s you

know well i think to go to the like american version of the irish pub and why i think i found it so kind of like the last place i generally want to go it's because there was a good good portion of my adult life where i just loved dive bars like sought them out they were my as they say happy place and a lot of times people would think an irish pub was a dive bar Here we go.

And like the difference in terms of the specificity of the culture and the pop culture, like every dive bar that I liked had actual weird shit that was unique. It was endemic to that bar, whether it was Roger handing out, you know, free drink tokens and telling dirty jokes or whatever. And like pickled eggs, something. And then every Irish bar I knew followed exactly the same pattern. It was like there was an actual Irish guy that worked there who was kind of rude. it was like the food was very forgettable it was coded as a dive bar but really had a lot of like finance bros that had just gotten off their shift and that were coming in like it did not for me i'm just talking about myself deliver on what i loved about quote-unquote dive bars it was it was way too kind of like corporate and consistent even though it's not all the same corporation There was just a, there was a similarity to all of them that made them feel to me like the opposite of what I liked about dive bars. So, but clearly I developed my opinion on it, whether it's accurate or not, I don't know. I got locked into a feeling. The thing about this bar that I went to was, I think the problem was, it was the time of day. It was like one in the afternoon. like i had this idea of the real british pub and i bet you if i would have gone back to that place at nine o'clock at night it would have been a very different vibe having never been to one like a real one my sense was you go in and it's just full of hospitaliano when you're there your family you're oh family like just i expected to i expected to walk in and to have like four of the 11 cast members from lord of the rings greet me take me up upon their shoulders and dance me around in a jig as as as warm mead flows i don't think you drink it warm like i just thought it was going to and then i thought that was going to be the best fish and chips i'd ever had in my life and it was going to be on a newspaper or a print of a newspaper and instead i like walk in and this was like a pretty dee place around here like i did some googling i didn't want to go in especially a bad one this one had great reviews i went in again i think a lot of this had to do with time of day but i sat down and i uh ordered my stuff and a couple of not overly sort of you know expressive bartenders that were working there like set me up with my fish and chips and it was i got the haddock and uh which you know was just the style i do think also i think i'm guessing this is the way they do it over here it i'm used to like the fish and chips you get in the u.s it's like pieces of fish that are um you know a few different pieces of fish that are then breaded and fried this was like an entire fish i mean it had been deboned and stuff but it was like i went for the south end of this northbound fish that was all breaded and broke it off and realized

i was holding the tail the literal tail and do most people eat the tail do you think over here

they do keep calm and eat the tail it's one of the main things they're into um no I said that as

I don't know if you're joking or not but I'm well yeah I guess I don't know I because I don't know what the rule is because I'm still somebody who doesn't eat the tails of shrimp and I know that that is like I think it's a bit of a cultural thing because I think a lot of people just eat the eat the because like if I even get like uh you know like a Vietnamese bun salad or something you know it's like that vermicelli rice and like yeah just some greens or whatever I love that stuff and sometimes it'll come with um a skewer of shrimp or something and you know the tails are on there and i think most people just eat the tails in that context but i'm there with like my chopsticks sort of like removing the tail and i always feel a little bit like a fraud doing that so anyway i i don't know if it was a ridiculous question but i was sort of curious if people

just eat the fish tail if it's breaded you know i don't know i was the only person getting the fish and chips so i don't know what the move is here like ew and it's tails ew but i wasn't but also i wasn't even grossed out by it my point in that was just that it's it was the pretty much the entire fish like mine is the head like the other end wasn't a breaded head of fish but the southbound end was a breaded tail so it was like the whole like way of consuming it was more difficult for me because had that been chunks of like the breast of you know like a haddock or a halibut that were you can kind of pick it up like a chicken finger and do a thing with it in this case i kind of had to cut it with the fork which then it all kind of disintegrated then like uh the uh oh the napkin they gave me a the tiniest napkin the tiniest paper napkin i was like you just served me like a three pound breaded fish and handed me a tube of mayo a thing of ketchup and a thing of vinegar and you know i'm gonna throw that vinegar on there you know that's the whole the move and the world's smallest napkin like how do you expect me to and you you know this because you and i are the same way with this andrew i do not like food stuffs on my face and my

hands so i swear this whole experience could have been different if three hobbits picked me up and celebrated my victory i want and also if they just gave me like a large cloth napkin like if that's just what they rolled the fork and knife in i might be telling you a totally different story what i know is i spent the whole time trying to take a bite of this thing in this more or less dead quiet pub while getting covered in vinegar deep fried business and holding fish in my bare hands and then trying to clean it all up each time with not enough napkin so you didn't just

opt for the fork and knife then you were still kind of i did but the problem is when you would

cut it with the fork and knife it would separate then you would just have like unbreaded fish and then just like breading that was separate from the fish neither of which is an enjoyable experience for me in that context like the bite is could be the move to quote my guy rusty the move is you you you know you have this piece of fish that's manageable enough where you can get a bite of the breading and the fish that's a great in some tar i know you're not a tartar guy but like you know so the funny thing is i'm sure this was a nice pub for this kind of thing and everything was technically fine in a way like i would there wasn't it wasn't like it seemed you know unsanitary or the people were being rude or there was nothing wrong with it. It just, I've, you know, spent my whole life hearing about the pub experience and that it's also, it could have to do with where we were in London versus if we were like in a small town somewhere. Like I've had lots of friends who have gone and visited the UK, be it Ireland or England or Scotland, and they'll be staying in a small town and where everyone goes in that town is this one pub. It's like the main thing you can go do. And that energy might be really different than the thing that I went into. but it i'll just say it wasn't it was not it did not rise to the level of whatever my my thoughts were about it and i wonder if some of that isn't because of um already having weird thoughts about british slash irish pubs because of the ones i've experienced in america and also i'm not trying to

put this on you if it's inaccurate but like me personally like i eat i obviously i eat a lot of meat i'm not a huge fish person but i'm fine with fish if it's like like you're kind of describing a white fish a breaded white fish and kind of a fish and chip situation i'm not usually opting for that uh if it's the you know if there are other options on the menu but um you know i'll you know i'll eat it uh and i'm fine with it i usually go for the um cocktail sauce which i think is sort of a probably a noob move because i don't like tartar that much i like i like the red cocktail sauce um but anyway love that by the way i would i love it like just drink that straight yeah but anyway um all of that is to say i think i would be turned off a little bit by the tail i i don't know like and as somebody who has been eating less and less animals or i guess i should say fewer and fewer animals that couldn't that couldn't have been your favorite thing either

it didn't bother me i mean honestly part of the the whole calculation i had i was actually super excited about it's cold here i was walking around and i was literally just going through my list of like what are the most like english things i can do and i was like oh the pub fish and chips and then i was like and guess what i eat fish now so it was like it felt cool it felt like oh this is so perfect i would love a cozy delicious deep fried experience of a thing that is generally speaking on my approved list so i sort of thought you know the the elements were coming together for me the stars were aligning and it was fine it just was kind of like i mean the the night before i had door dashed like lebanese food and it was so good it was so good you mentioned that on

yesterday's show and i'm like oh yeah that's a cool thing about english culture probably like a lot of like good like maybe if not street food little little like little stands and little shops and stuff that sell kebab and stuff that sounds amazing the variety of food options from different

parts of the world here is really stunning so i think the good news is i did my bit i had the you know i went with my pub food thing but i did not like walk out of that pub feeling like oh i need to have much more of this on this trip but what i am going to do is continue to explore uh all of the you know yeah the you might say ethnic options because those looked i mean again the the uh the the stuff from the place it was called um beirut cafe or something anyway like you know you you like you door dash a salad from a place and i got a bunch of other stuff too but like it was just kind of a i was like well i should try to have something green it's rare that that thing that shows up in like a plastic container you open it and it's like fragrant it had all this mint in it and i was like eating and i was like this is a really good salad so um so anyway that's i think the direction that i'll be going for the for the rest of my time here last thing yes if this is

really the last thing i really hope it involves soccer because i want to talk to you well it is Okay, good.

So I was talking to a person who works on Livewire. His name is Hazik, and he is a Liverpool fan. He's one of our recording engineers. And this was the other day. I was checking in from here doing a recording, and I said, do you know anything about this part of the world? I think he might actually have spent some time here. He might be from here. And he was like, oh, yeah. Oh, and by the way, there's a Liverpool match the night you're going to be there. I was like, huh? So then I looked it up, and I was like, oh, first of all, Liverpool is good. they're leading their their particular division i think of the premier league they're playing everton tomorrow night it's in liverpool i'll be done with my shoot it's like would i be a fool to not go to watch a an english premier league match i mean it also is like 250 maybe pounds which is even worse than 250 dollars which is i mean that's a lot of a lot of money to pay for a ticket for a game involving two teams that i have no prior knowledge of also as i was saying at the top of the show it seems like the tickets that are available this is in liverpool it seems like the tickets that are available are in the everton section so either i'm now an everton fan or i guess i just assumed i wanted to root for the home team but i literally don't think i well i could also just sit in the everton section and think my thoughts i never that never occurred to me either But there was something weird about the fact that I don't think I can buy a ticket in the area of the stadium where the Liverpool people are. But again, then the fact that they have to separate them, in the words of the offspring, that they've got to keep them separated. That's also a whole energy. I'm both intrigued by this. This might be a once-in-a-lifetime opportunity. And also, this is where I want to be by myself with no rooting interest, just in the scrum of a bunch of hooligans?

What do you think? I mean, the world of soccer, especially European soccer, is just so foreign, literally, and somewhat scary to me. My only exposure to it is I'm still going to that barber shop that is, like, very near my house. And my barber, I don't know. I mean, I believe that he's – I don't know what his origins are, but I believe he comes probably from Africa somewhere. and um you know and you go in there and him and his and the other his colleagues other barbers are always like watching soccer it's very it's very kind of old school in that way like i very much of an outsider another guy came in was getting his hair cut and he was talking to them about liverpool liverpool just ended a match i do call them matches so that's pretty good um but like i just i i wanted so badly to bro down but i had nothing like nothing on that i was like i don't know do you do you like the mariners i think he thought i was talking about the people down in ballard who were on the fishing boat i have nothing on it either that's the thing but i will tell you this yesterday so i ended up titling the show yesterday um what was the thing uh uh i'm sorry where were you you were looking for tottenham circle right but we were sort of spoofing on that and i called the show tottenham quadrangle and i posted the show and literally within moments of me hitting post on that thing first of all good job on libsyn for getting these these shows shot out of the tube very very quickly because moments after

hitting that get them right to the people so that they can turn right around and neg you

no no this wasn't a negging at all oh good no no this isn't a negging that's right i forgot I know people were yelling at you recently. I'm not doing that again on this show. But I just saw that our friend Max, who lives here in Seattle, Seattle Max, other Max is his name on the Slack page, I got a push notification, and he just wrote, speaking as an Arsenal fan, seeing the word Tottenham, only he didn't say he used an asterisk for the O as if it's a bad word. He said, speaking as an Arsenal fan, seeing the word Tottenham edited, just pop up in my pod feed gave me capitalized the bad feeling and then a picture of a skull and i am so scared of european soccer that i almost changed the show title i'm like did i do something racist like i was so scared like i'm like i don't understand what goes on over there

but i know that there's the hot spurs isn't that really what the tot sorry max the the tottenham

hot spurs right that actually rings a bell and i don't know exactly what i'm talking about now but I just know that I have seen like things about the history of like hooliganism and some of the, you know, some of the ties to, you know, like anti and anti-immigrant sentiments. And it's like and I don't think I'm tying any of that to Tottenham. I don't know what's going on. All I'm saying is, is like me not knowing anything about this, but seeing that Max couldn't even write the word Tottenham chilled me. I was like, what did I do? Oh, no, should I not? Are we not even allowed to say that? Like, what's going on here? So my point is, when you mentioned in the intro of today's show that you're thinking about going to see a soccer match, I'm like, oh, God, be careful. And I don't even know why.

Yeah, I feel like when am I going to be back in a place in Europe where there is a Premier League game happening that I could conceivably buy a ticket for and go? It feels like the kind of thing that you should see, one should see once in their life.

Yeah.

Such a big thing. but it's so much money I so don't care I have to move my train ticket I think my current train ticket is 7.30 this match starts at I also call it a match now this match starts at 7.30 so it's like you know am I going to be running to the train at the last you know I have to figure out what the latest train is and see if I can change it for that and am I going to just be like surrounded by like you know either jubilant or depressed I don't know where the Everton people what direction they're going towards london or away from london but like i don't know it seems it seems like something that i could see a world in which i do all this and then it's kind of a bust or in which i do all this that is to say buy the ticket figure out by the way if i'm even buying the ticket from a reputable there's no stub hub here yeah there's like you know make sure i'm buying this crazy expensive ticket that i'm actually getting a real one and then go to it and then like finally find some hobbits to carry me around this could be what i've been missing on this trip it could be like the night of my life or it could just be like a huge hassle where i'm extra tired and full of surrounded by drunk people on the train going home being like well that sucked

i would say yeah i'm not trying to talk you in or out of it but it's just like my ignorance on this subject. And my concern about saying the wrong thing to the wrong person is what scares me. Like, oh, did I just cheer for the wrong thing? And am I now persona non grata in this part of town? Do I have to get out of here quickly? Does somebody have to throw their coat over me and usher me out of here before the mob gets me? Obviously, I am exaggerating because I don't know what goes on over there. But I'm telling you, that is my ignorant fear

of things well it brings together one thing that you tend to talk about which is like you don't like wearing a a hat for a baseball team if you feel like you don't know enough about them yeah like this idea of just like looking sports illiterate is a really it sounds like a kind of a a real uh pain point for you the idea of it and then just just the you know the threat of

physical violence yeah you throw that in there it really makes it you know like that's a real

that's a real texas two-step i'm sorry that's a real tottenham two-step and do we name the show that and do we just lose listener max permanently what if we have

tottenham in the title twice i love it that's a lot of tease dude um you know what i'm gonna do this year because i love my orioles cap and i love the idea of the orioles unless their success is complete odds with the Mariners I am going to learn enough about the mayor about the Orioles this offseason and the beginning of the baseball season I'm going to follow them enough that I can wear my Orioles cap with pride around town let's see can I will you follow them enough for both of

us because I would like to get an Orioles cap I agree I think it's a great looking hat so good but can I call you if someone says what do you think about our relievers this season can I call

you and can you tell me so i can give a informed answer you mean marky the arm johnson he's looking good man oh they got marky the arm johnson back you can i you know what i'm pretty good at riffing i hope you're still comfortable around me that you can still be relaxed matching your wits with

my talent there's a comedian named alex edelman who's very funny and actually was on livewire

years ago he had that huge special right about him going undercover into a kkk rally or am i

confusing it with somebody else oh maybe i don't i didn't watch the i didn't watch his latest special that would be that would be really something yeah that's him i'm looking at i watched the

beginning of the special he had a special i didn't know that was part of it it's called i think it was called just for us and i'm looking at this now but anyway i'm not trying to steal your story but it might because it's more of a mon i mean it's a stand-up comedy but it's like a monologue about this one specific thing that he uh did it's called uh alex edelman just for us well one of the

things he says i think it's in that special but i've only seen obviously a clip of it is he basically says like here's all you need to say or here's here's the the perfect way to diffuse any kind of conversation about anything politics sports whatever it is you don't know about like andrew ask me a question about the the liverpool team say like what about that liverpool game last

What about that Liverpool match last night, Luke? can you believe it oh yeah i think you've mentioned this before can you believe it

like it's so neutral it totally puts it back on the other person it's non-committal which is the same as saying neutral it's just like can you believe it like that could be taken that is a beautiful blank canvas for the person to take it any way they want and it gets you immediately out of trouble so i want you to proudly wear your baltimore orioles hat everywhere this summer and I want you just to keep answering with, can you believe it? When anyone comes up to you.

I'm trying to think if you told me this on the show before or if I just saw that part of the special, because I know I watched about half of it and I think I put it down and meant to go back and didn't. It started on Broadway, by the way, his Just Rows thing. Oh, that would make sense. Yeah, because again, it's kind of more of a monologue type of situation. But I will say that you've kind of been doing the Can You Believe It for a while? Because it started in earnest. You told me that, like, you responded to some, like, I think maybe critical TBTL email or something with just, like, what a world. And then we started talking about that. I was what a worlding there for a while. It became a joke. And now it's sort of just become something I act. Like, I started saying it sort of is a joke to people, especially people who had heard our conversation. But now I'll just what a world people all the time. Like, well, what a world.

Yeah, it is. Again, you're not sticking your neck too far out in any direction at that moment. You're just agreeing that the world is a complicated place. yes exactly well on tomorrow's episode i guess we will get an update on if i decided to become

a soccer hooligan or not yes and if your luggage ever showed up just in time for you to turn around

and head back to the states that's right so uh lots to listen to tomorrow please do join us for that in the meantime everybody have a great wednesday take care of yourselves go liverpool i don't even know uh and please remember no mountain too tall and good luck to all Smack me! Wowzers in me trousers, it's a home run! Power out!