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All right, hello, good morning, and welcome everyone to a Friday edition of TVTL, the show that just might be too beautiful to live. This song goes out to all the coffee lovers of the world. My name is Luke Burbank. I am your host. Grumpy, pardon the term. Coming to you for the final time from London's West End on this Valentine's Day. Happy Valentine's Day, everybody.

What a fun, sexy time for you.

Got a great show in store for you. It's episode 4403 in a collector series. Let the fun begin.

a great show that features a wild story a crazy story i am petrified petrified with this story

of the time a snake fell out of the clear blue sky and landed on a lady my motto is to catch a snake become a snake think like a snake and be a snake and then what happened next will truly shock you it's a valentine story for the ages and we'll share it with you coming up plus we'll talk to This guy, longest-running co-bro of the show, may be best known for his depictions of the tall ships and his love for this audio drop. He's Andrew Walsh, and he's joining me right now. Good morning, my friend.

Good morning. You kind of wrangled that audio drop. It seems like it's in a better place now. It's less loud. It's less loudly, as they say. Did you fix it?

Importantly, did you fix it in post the other day when I was playing it, and it was like... Because you know that's something that really lives with me, is when I play an audio drop, And it's annoying when it's too quiet, but it's upsetting when it's too loud. Like, I don't want people walking around their lives listening to this potentially in headphones and then have something blaring. Did you get a chance to go back and fix it?

Well, that's why I was called it out in the moment, not to make you feel insecure about your audio, but only because I was concerned in the repetition of it that it might be bothersome to some listeners. Having said that, I didn't go back specifically and look for that part of the show and fix it, But I do a decent amount of gentle compression and then normalizing and then something called hard limiting. It's a whole process. I can make a whole.

Is that something in our friendship or something related to the audio of the show?

You know what, Luke? I'm going to hard limit that question right now.

I could totally hear that becoming a thing.

That's a hard limit for me, dog. But anyway, yeah, so I am guessing that it was sort of mitigated through that audio process. But to your point, I don't even remember what show it was on anymore. And I don't remember going back and actually manually addressing that issue. So I hope it was OK for everybody.

I am loving England, my friend. I am loving London, but I'm also loving the idea of being home, which I guess is a good thing, right? Like I'm looking forward to sleeping in my own bed. But I am absolutely, I am bedeviled and I'm bamboozled, not bamboozled. I cannot decide what seat in coach I should be selecting. I keep going back. I keep obsessively moving my seats. I could be on the window with potentially nobody in between me and the aisle person. That's where I've been for most of this waiting period. But then I realized there is a front row. It's not the front row of coach. There's two different kinds of coach on British Airways.

By the way, can I interrupt for one second just to ask? Please. Is this a giant plane that has the middle section as well? And are there five seats in the middle section or three?

I would have to look at the app, but I want to say there's more. I think there's probably five.

Okay, and there's three along the sides, too. So, okay.

So that gives me a good sense of this play.

Actually, there might be. There's two on the side. Oh, yeah, there's three on the sides. You're right. Because you said there would be a seat between you. As of right now, if I go in there, I could be in. Well, here's the thing that's really got me. It's got me shook. It's got me twisted. It's got me tumbling. What does Fergie say? You got me twisting, tumbling. I don't know that song. Bumbling. I haven't gotten to that song yet. Falling in love with you. It's actually a very catchy song that I know none of the lyrics of. I think she says Tottenham Circle at some point in the song. Anyway, when I flew out here on British Airways, they put me up in like slightly better coach just because I have some sort of status. I'm an emerald with them because of the Alaska Airlines stuff. And so what I the flight out wasn't too bad because I was in that middle. I was on the aisle of that middle section, but I was in the exit row. so there was I did not have somebody in front of me leaning their chair back I had a little extra leg room and I really enjoyed that that's great but I have not been upgraded to the better coach yet I'm in bad coach and I went back to use the restroom in bad coach it's bad Andrew it's bad back there that's where I'm currently scheduled to be

with the graffiti in the bathroom wall it's just like

I got menaced by a couple kids with a boom box

some come here to sit and think

dot dot yeah here i sit broken hearted paid my dime and only farted and other such dirty things i saw in the bathroom walls as a kid it's bad back there and in and this is a longer flight we're not changing planes it's a london to portland so it's it's a 10 plus hour flight both of the flights i took were in the five to six hour range to get out here so i just have i have more questions than answers one should i choose that i could be on the right now here's where i am right now i am on the aisle seat of that weird middle cluster at the front of bad

coach right now you're at the mid okay the aisle i'm in the same seat that i flew out on except i'm

one whole section further back in the plane if that makes sense like i'm in the same kind of seat but i don't know if there's a big difference between the bad coach that i'm in and and and the good coach that i was in flying out so what i'm concerned the reason i don't want to stick with the window seat which is normally my thing is because if it's really cramped i would just hate to be really cramped for 10 hours whereas i think there's a better chance i won't be cramped if i'm in this but i'm i'm now basically the aisle seat of the middle chunk of the front row of bad coach what i really wish they would do for all this augmented reality for all these the pokemons were training somebody augment my reality into that british airways flight let me walk around let me kick the tires let me figure out what the best call is because my heart says window so i can lean against the wall so i can nap a little bit nobody between uh nobody in the middle seat between me and the aisle person but i do have to ask them to get up for me to use the restroom which i'm less shy about than you are but also this front row of of bad coach might it might be it might not provide much relief i don't i just i don't know what i'm dealing with and there's going to be 10 hours flying home where i'm going to have to deal with the consequences of my decision

and it's paralyzing me i gotta be honest with you when you brought up pokemon i was like what if did i space out for a second because i have some concentration i was like pokemon what are you bringing we're training pokemon what and then luke it totally made sense i totally understand what you mean why aren't we using augmented reality like when you go to buy a ticket at a mariners game now i think especially if you're buying it from like one of the third-party sellers or whatever which i mostly don't do like i'm just too old and tired to try to navigate the modern ticket like you know third-party platform market i think it's all bullshit i think it's just a way for people to sell tickets and line their pockets twice the whole thing irritates me i just Go to mariners.com slash tickets. I don't think that's a thing. Nobody take my word on that. I don't know.

Slash second baseman.

Backslash. Slash Ryan. Backslash. Ryan Bliss slash platoon.

Backslash win above replacement.

Backslash WRC plus. All right. What I was going to say was when you're picking a seat at a stadium now, a lot of the services will sort of show you like this is exactly what your view will be. You know, and you can sort of like, I don't know if you can move the camera around like to your left, to your right. Is there a kid eating peanuts? I don't know. But like it'll at least show you like this is what your experience is going to be. And I think that's pretty cool. I think that that would be helpful on planes, except I don't trust them to be fully honest. Like I need them to like I need them to recreate the.

experience of uh somebody's seat jamming into my knees and trying to make my femur shorter than

they are for for 10 hours i guess i'm going to stick with the current plan yeah oculus rift this please um i think i'm going to stick with my plan of the front row of coach i think that the not having anyone leaning back on me is going to be the it's going to be more important to me than the fact that i can't look out the window because most of it's the atlantic ocean anyway i can't look out the window and uh which is the downside of this aisle thingy but and i am there are people in the seats next to me so i don't know what that's that we know what they're going to be like but basically i think not having a seat recline into me that would be a really if i realized that like bad coach has like minimal leg room and someone's leaning back on me and now i gotta do this for 10 hours in this window seat that'd be a really that'd be a bad thing to figure out you know as we're pulling out of Heathrow can I be honest with you yes good I feel like

honesty is important when we do this show I've taken a few really long flights now the one to Australia with you was my first really long flight and it was really long and things got things in my that was a pretty comfortable flight like nobody was leaning back on us we had a empty

seat between us it was pretty ideal we had the only empty seat on the aeroplane that's right between both there and back which was either a miracle or somebody at Qantas was trying to hook

us up or well there was somebody there originally between the two of us and I started telling them about my dreams and I think that they jumped off the airplane um they did they did and swam home but I will say that so we were lucky then but the trip to Croatia and I can't remember exactly what my you know what my flight pattern was or like where I stopped first was it Iceland whatever all I know is the first really really really long flight was really rough for me it was I think i had aisle but i had the person in front of me reclining back like it was the first time i took a really long flight that was quite uncomfortable but i bring all this up to say something does happen around the seven hour mark or something where you sort of stop everything you stop measuring things based on the game slows down the game slows down or maybe it speeds up i don't know like you're just like in a different head space and like you don't even know what is what anymore do you have legs are these my legs are these my arms like everybody you're just miserable just want to get off the plane but actually the misery almost takes a back seat it's kind of like it's almost like you just kind of get into a weird headspace so that's why my advice to you is to yes pick the best seat possible but to me for a 10-hour flight the biggest decisions you can make are your media choices and maybe you and i just see things differently and we do on many many things politics first and foremost uh i've got the one america app downloaded on my laptop but like i know that you love your ticky talkies and you can scroll endlessly for a long time and if that passes time that's great i feel like scrolling for me only passes so much time before i start to get that like i think chris hayes uh described it as almost a car sicky sort of feeling and i know that i've gotten that in the past i feel like for a 10-hour flight you want to have some full length feature backups and I think that you should I don't know if you have to download these or download the apps that you're subscribed to like Netflix or whatever in order to watch them because you might not have streaming services so that you are covering your bases as far as what mood you're going to be in like you might be in a drama mood you might be in a comedy mood you might be if you're like me in a classic movie mood I love watching classic movies on the airplane Because, first of all, I want everybody to look at me and see that I'm watching like a black and white movie.

Watching a classic movie is the reading of – it's the reading of movies.

Yeah, like everybody else is like watching things explode and like – and they're watching some Marvel crap or like some sort of like trash TV. And they look over and they're like, is that Marilyn Monroe in Niagara? And you bet your sweet patookas it is. So anyway, I think that that is my advice to you is really think ahead of time about what you have downloaded and accessible on your devices.

That is a good point. I also have a great book that I started on the train when I was coming back from Liverpool that is for Livewire. But it's do you remember the hipster grifter? I don't know how online you were at the time. this was it's a woman named um carrie farrell and she became the obsession of like gawker back in the day because she was sort of like this you know relatively young hip woman who was kind of grifting all these like indie bros and finance bros and and uh and became kind of a legend in the scene and then was written about breathlessly and gawker and has now written a book about like how she ended up being the hipster grifter which i went into it a little bit like okay well now you're profiting yet again but she's a very good writer it's actually an entertaining book so i've got that to read and that's for work that's an interview that's for work that's for tbtl we're

interviewing her on monday good do i have to read that um uh wouldn't hurt uh i can summarize can i

ask any questions about the count of money cristo because i'm now 71 percent into this book the original hipster grifter luke i have got you right i have gotten to the point and this is a huge success around 64 percent through i got to the point where i understand what's going on enough that I don't have to read a chapter summary after each chapter. So that's progress. I'm now just reading this book like a book now.

I want to be very real when I say, I am freaking impressed. I really am. I know you're not bringing it up to get.

It's been a year, Luke.

It's been a year. Yeah, but you're talking to the guy who downloaded the audio book of Infinite Jest and got bored after three hours. Like, you have committed to this project and you're doing it and I'm proud of you. I don't know why. I really am. I am impressed at your determination.

What am I going to read after this? Like, I'm going to be open to just regular books again.

Count of Dagwood.

The Count of Monty Garfield.

Oh, I was going more sandwich.

Oh, I see. The Count of Rubin. I didn't know what you were doing there. I thought you were just like, I'm going to be reading Blondie. It's bad that I picked a sandwich that is also a cartoon.

Yeah, that was a bad choice.

The Count of Monty Otis. All right, sorry. Go ahead. hey andrew yeah oh wait hold on you have big weekend plans well you gotta do it earlier it's not just any weekend it's uh valentine's weekend i i should know the answer to this are

you and genevieve are you valentine's people do you get stuff do you go out for dinner do you do

a thing? Not really. I think we're somewhere in the gray area on that, depending on what circumstances are. When we were first dating, I assumed that we were both very anti-Valentine's Day, and that ended up being a bit of a mistake. A bit of a stumble. I was like, well, we're both like Gen X, eye-rolling sarcasmos. We don't go in for this, and I believe that we had said that, and then it turns out that there were some feels of, you know, we were much younger. This day and age, I just don't think we really do. I mean, there might have been times that we've kind of gone out, and it happens to be valentine's day and so that that's nice but i will say this time around it's almost an unvalentine's day because genevieve my friend is out of town um i'm taking her to the airport here in a little bit and so in fact i'm writing about this in the newsletter this week so i'll try not to um cannibalize that too much but it's like i don't know we've talked about it a lot i don't know why that's sort of an exciting premise the fact that i have like the house to myself for three days because there's literally nothing that genevieve prevents me from doing and that is the truth like i don't get i don't get eye rolls about anything like you know what i mean like i can are you gonna subscribe to fubo for three days we don't want to police each other's actions except for when it comes to fubo purchases um and so i don't know exactly what i'm going to do i my plan was really though i i do love to be like solo bolo uh you know i like to just like just not make any plans not plan on seeing anybody if that if i run into somebody or if i get a wild hair and i want to go to if i want to go to goldie's and maybe text camaro kev at the last minute maybe do that but his he's such a late night he's he's starting his evening when i'm wrapping mine up usually especially if i'm up to my own like devices like this so my plan is to really keep a low profile stay at home maybe you know maybe go to a pizza shop and have some beers but like kind of in a very like a non i love just being an anonymous person like kind of being around people but nobody but not with a group of my own friends i guess maybe is what i'm looking for but no no no

i understand i mean i understand that feeling and and i think yeah you it seems like you really like not having to be responsible to fulfill anyone else's yeah again on a short-term basis because you know you love genevieve and have been together for many many years so obviously you appreciate the relationship but for like three days to have you're not responsible to anyone for anything

is a good feeling for you probably yes it is now it does look like so um there's a bingo night at the eagles on saturday which i was not planning on attending but because of some health issues with some folks who kind of run that things are a little bit it sounds like they may literally need people to help with like various tasks at bingo like selling certain like um raffle cards or whatever so i have been getting some for the yeah the special yeah selling special tickets for the blackout round and stuff so there's a chance like so i heard from my friend katie who's like oh we might need all hands on deck so you know i i realized that like also here's the other thing about being home alone is usually like i'm very excited about it burglars and well the bur

And I got to find those bandits, those wet bandits, find the paint cans, got to find some twine, got to make sure to know how to tie those knots to half hitch. But also, the thing is, I get excited about it. And then usually Genevieve's gone about two hours. And I'm like, I miss Genevieve. So maybe by the time Saturday rolls around, I'll be happy. I'll be happy to help out at the Eagle.

So let's be at the Eagle at the Eagles sniffing various pleather stools and benches that Genevieve has sat on at some point. Just trying to find, this is a weird way to say it. I just mean like looking for evidence of your girlfriend, remembering your girlfriend.

I'm not going salt burn on this, Luke, if that is what you were suggesting. I didn't see that. Oh, okay, don't. Please don't.

And nobody... Should I download that for the flight?

Actually, no, don't watch that on the flight. You don't want anybody looking over your shoulder and seeing that. Oh, right, good point. That's a pretty...

Is it black and white, though? Because I want to get some credit.

It could be. I have a filter. You can make any movie black and white, and that way people will respect you more in airplanes. But anyway, so...

Is that John Cena in black and white?

so but i wanted to ask you though what about you and valentine's day what's going on

well it's uh yes it's on i have in in all of my relationships i think i have i didn't ever take the the road that you took or that you attempted to take where you kind of low-keyed it i think i i've always i don't want to say made the mistake but i've kind of high-keyed it early on or at least you know made it a thing to where it would be weird if it ever it would be admitting something if it stopped being a thing and so uh and by the way you know i'm actually very very excited to see becca it's been a long time i've been over here and everything so it's like i'm looking forward to this actually but what i'm really looking forward to is february being over because i gotta tell you man from like december to february it's brutal on me and the gift buying pressure i mean to some degree the actual monetary outlay but more just the like because basically in those months we've got obviously Christmas we've also got Becca's birthday and we've got my daughter's birthday and we've got Valentine's Day and all of those are events where I don't have the confidence to not show up for those events if that makes any sense like I if maybe if I if I was more confident I could just say hey this is this year you know I just kind of went small or I just kind of I got you this little something that reminded me of you or I thought you might enjoy it or something. I see all of these as a moment where I have to prove my love, my parenting skills, my boyfriending skills. So I put a lot of pressure on myself to really, like, over... And this is not even to say that I buy these fabulous gifts or anything, but, like, I cannot... I do not know how to get away with just being like, how about we order some Thai food?

Mm-hmm.

You know? And so I am so relieved when... Basically, once we get past February 17th, which is Addie's birthday,

I'm out of the woods for like I don't know nine months but this is a very very stressful time of year for me yeah I know that feeling although I've abdicated so much responsibility by again just being like I guess like just setting the standard of me being whatever weirdness I am in fact Veves and I and this was a strange feeling for the first time ever I feel like almost every holiday season Veves and I will float the idea of do you want to skip presents this year and basically my like I think maybe to somewhat chagrin of even my folks back home like I stopped sending greeting cards a long time ago it seems like such an antiquated thing like greeting cards were such a big part of my childhood like every father's day you'd have to go to hallmark a couple of weeks ahead of time get one for grandpa get one for grandpa walsh grandpa simsik dad you know what I mean like greeting cards were just such a big thing and and gifts and stuff and then eventually I've just whittled my life down until it's smaller and smaller and like I've sort of like I've lessened the expectation of greeting cards We don't send out like the holiday batch cards like a lot of people do. I don't exchange gifts with anybody formally. I love finding a little something that makes me think of somebody and maybe tucking it away and giving it to them randomly. So if I'm painting myself as being a real jerk here, maybe that mitigates that a little bit. But the thing is, this was the first year where Veves and I were like, do you want to maybe skip Christmas gifts this year? And she's really good. She sends out a lot of gifts to her family and everything. So it's like she's already got a lot on her plate. And I think just kind of emotionally where we were, just kind of cosmically, we're just like, yeah, let's just skip it this year. I wonder why. Yeah. And I just think that that was good. That felt good. But I will tell you this, Genevieve, it's sort of a lot of gift stuff for us, too, because it's like Christmas. And then almost immediately it's our anniversary. And then a couple of months later in early March, it's Genevieve's birthday. And I will say this. I went I don't want to say too much because Genevieve can probably hear me but I went someplace looking for just a little anniversary token gift and when I was in that place I found something that I literally had on a of things that i wanted to look for for genevieve's birthday something that is i'll just say not mass-produced and the fact that i literally ran into it i was able to buy the um the the the little thing that i wanted for her anniversary but also for her birthday so i've been locked in on birthday gift now amazing or like already a month and i still have a month to go i'm having residual like i always feel guilty and pressure leading up to any kind of gift giving things i always feel like i'm behind the ball and growing up there was this bad feeling of i'm just gonna i guess it's the last minute i'm gonna wander the mall and look for something for dad you know and that's how you end up getting like some sort of indoor golfing thing and it's like i don't even golf what who are you you know and that's how you end up buying your dad a

laminated poster that says to error is human to really screw things up you need a computer just an actual gift i once bought for my father well you know it was what it was what craigan's

pharmacy had on december 24th well it's funny you should say that well i was going to say like i keep on kind of getting a a residual feeling of that then i remember no no i have the gift and it's a great gift and i've been excited about it so that's a good feeling there is something specifically in my relationship with my dad that you ever have something and i know you have that starts off as sort of a bad thing in your relationship but then you laugh about it and it ends up being like a joke forever I don't know whether that's a romantic relationship or whatever but there was a time that I was probably a early teenager maybe a tween but there was a lot of stuff going on in our family I think that like the folks were getting divorced it was like ongoing there was just like a lot of tumult and not great feelings going around and I think I went to the mall and it was probably last minute and I think I went to the mall with my mom I'm just like wandering around like what do you get the Bob Walsh who has everything right and I wasn't sure and then I saw this thing that I liked which was like a um brass I want to say but like a dark brass not like a I don't know some sort of a metal a dark metal little sculpture that was like an ape i want to say maybe about five inches tall maybe four inches tall or something and his hands are over his head and he's holding a little tray and that tray is where you can keep your business cards and i don't know why this thing spoke to me it was like heavy it was hefty um and it was like so i'm saying ape i don't even know i call them all monkeys and it makes genevieve really mad maybe it's a chimp i don't know but it's some sort of a creature like that and he's holding this thing and it's a business card holder and it's the only time in my life that my dad opened a gift and he was literally insulted by it and at the time i was pretty confused i was like i didn't mean it as a bad gift but i think that probably it felt like a i think he was just going through a lot emotionally and it probably felt like a very last minute i don't give a shit gift i didn't i honestly did not have those feelings and giving it to him i thought it was just like i don't know it's a quirky thing like we're always buying him things he could put on his desk at work right so i was like you put it on your desk at work but it ended up being a pretty bad gift and at some point like he said to me like at that at the time like somehow he said he's like i'm kind of hurt by that gift it didn't seem like you were thoughtful about it and i was really shocked by that and i can't remember all the blows i think it's okay to tell the story is the monkey holding a dish like holding a tray like above his head did you find it online yes i'm looking at this Can you send me a photo of it, and I'll see if it's exactly it.

There are so many versions of this, and it's incredible. It's kind of cool. I would love one of these.

Well, guess what? My dad now still has that in a place of honor in his home office, and we laugh about it all the time. And it's one of those things that, I don't know if there's some sort of a parable there, sort of, but when something is sort of a point of contention or whatever, it can end up being a reminder of how much you love each other in a certain way. And so that kind of gives me good feelings to know that we kind of took this moment of somewhat awkwardness or whatever as I was a teen and my dad was going through a big life change. And I was kind of like, oh, man, I would never get rid of this monkey business card holder. Like, this is the most important thing in my life.

Unfortunately, my dad no longer has the laminated poster that also featured. If I remember, the art was a cartoon of a guy who basically had a dot matrix printer that had gone crazy, processed through all of the paper. He was surrounded by dot matrix printer paper. Here's the thing. I do not care about getting gifts myself. like yeah if i could if i could just agree with the world that i will no one will ever give me anything again for the rest of my life and i won't have to buy anyone anything i would take that deal so quickly, like, I find it actually kind of stressful to get, first of all, anything that I have decided I need, this is something that Becca is deeply annoyed with, not deeply annoyed, but kind of like, I'll say something in passing, like, oh, I'm thinking about getting a whatever, and she'll go, well, that was your birthday present or something, like, she's very thoughtful and observant, and so if there's something that I've mentioned, oh, I need that, or this broke, or thinking about, you know, getting, like, if I mention, if somehow she becomes aware that there might be something I could use then she and this is what makes her a good gift giver she then goes and gets that thing for me and you know at the time even if it's months before you know the the my birthday or whatever Christmas but then I of course just usually acquire the thing by way of amazon.com and then ruin the gift so I'm first of all I'm annoying to buy for because I generally just buy things if I need them and also it's just like I have i just have enough stuff i don't need any more stuff in my life and so and then there's you know god bless but then there's i'll just be vague there are the gifts that there are some people in my life that give me that i also just are not necessarily something i need and then i've got to kind of manage my response to getting that gift being like oh okay i'll it's this you know and then i have to keep it somewhere i got in trouble one time because somebody gave me something and then they came over to my house and found it in a drawer. Yeah. That was an awkward, which we have not rehabilitated that into a family joke.

Was it family?

It was.

By the way, I'm looking at a bunch of listings. I just typed in monkey business card holder.

It's the first thing that comes up.

And are you looking that it's listed on Etsy and places for $150, $125? I'm stealing that thing back and I'm selling it. i know you bought low i bought low i gotta send this to my dad there's one that's starting to

oxidize and that one's going for 91 dude i would absolutely put that thing i have business cards i don't know why i have business cards i think back when i was drinking more i got drunk and ordered business cards in fact i know for a fact because it has that picture of my nose all broken and i believe the business card says something like thank you for your interest the business card says i understand thanks for coming thanks for coming anyway so um yeah we're gonna go out on saturday night uh in portland we'll see how the jet lag be lagging right like that's gonna be i mean i'll be capable of keeping my eyes open and sitting at dinner but yeah we're gonna go out for dinner and kind of do the whole thing which again i'm i'm looking i'm very looking forward to spending time with becca it's just um it's just that yeah this time of year i have this constant low level angst and the thing that happens too and i think i need to take a page from your playbook just i need to buy stuff earlier because what happens is there's an inverse is it inverse there's a direct relationship between how late i'm buying the gift and how much i'm spending on the gift and the number the dollar amount goes up and up and up because if you're willing to throw enough money at the problem you can always make a splash you know if you're willing to like whereas something that is thoughtful and is less expensive but it's something I ordered like far in advance like I'll just say I got Addy this um little um I don't even know what you call it exactly kind of not a bonnet I read this New York Times article about how all the fashionable women of a certain age this winter are wearing this kind of like a kind of a warm scarf wrap for your head but that there was this place this particular company in France that was making the ones that people really loved and I ordered it but I had to order it like months before her birthday and I gave it to her and she loved it it was actually very very sweet we were driving home separately from Southwestern she called me to thank me again and was just like really into this thing so like if I was more if I actually just thought about it earlier I could get stuff that doesn't have to be prohibitively expensive it's just thoughtful instead it's usually the day of and I'm just driving around somewhere with a wad of cash in my pocket trying to buy their love with some ridiculous over-the-top gift or having to spend exorbitantly on shipping

if you're if you've bought it at the last minute it's like oh if i had thought of this a week ago

this would be here by now for free or the the classic move of the here's a printout of the thing you will be receiving at some oh yeah yeah you've mentioned that i mean unfortunately i've been uh you know a perpetrator of that crime on people as well so anyway yeah i have big weekend plans big valentine's plans and uh again so you're going to dinner somewhere in the portland areas we're going to dinner yeah we're gonna go kind of and that's pretty much the extent of it we're gonna go have some dinner stuff i do have the valentine's uh gifts already purchased which is kind of that's nice a little bit ahead of the game for me it's not like i this is something that i that i did a few weeks ago it's not like i have to land and then i have to go to the like gift

shop at pdx and try to find something get a hess truck yeah exactly bring home some like Risps from Tesco. Yeah, right. Well, I know that you're a bit of a foodie, and you're interested in an international flavor, so.

Yes. So these are, this is a certain kind of brown sauce Tate's potato chips that you just can't get in the States. That's right. Hey, this is a tiny little jam jar of something called brown sauce, literally, in my hotel room. There's this little thing. They're very into their jams over here. Yeah, that's what I hear. And these jam jars are adorable. I ordered some avocado toast when I first got here at the beginning of the week. And for some reason, the toast was covered in avocado and tomatoes. It was pretty yummy. But they also brought me marmalade in this adorable little jar. This is made by Wilkin & Sons Limited. They gave me some marmalade. They gave me some strawberry jam, some black currant jam, and some brown sauce and some purple junk. And they're so cute. I feel like I should be displaying these jelly jars not eating the jelly. Like I was going to eat some the other day. I was like, I want to see how this tastes. I was like, no, these are too cute. I can't open them.

By the way, this is straight up a monkey. I don't know. I get so in my head about monkeys and chimps and apes because Genevieve's always giving me a hard time about it. I'm going back to calling everything monkeys again because this one is just a monkey. I did text my dad, by the way. I said, your monkey business card holder is now a collector's item listed at 150. I'm wondering if we should sell. If he responds, I'll let you know, because I'm interested in knowing how we would split that. Really, it's a gift. I don't really get my beak wet at all, I would assume, in that situation. But I sort of feel like I took some slings and arrows. I feel like I should get a little something.

A little, just pick up the check next time you guys get dinner.

Right, exactly. Bob. Right.

Let me ask you a real question.

Fight a little bit harder. I can never pick up the check. Never.

Oh, my God. do you know the last time i didn't pay for a meal with my parents oh yeah they're oh yeah yeah they 20 years ago my parents have not picked up a check in my presence for 20 years oh wait i'm sorry i

got it backwards oh another i thought you were saying they they insist on paying oh oh my dad

never lets me pay i try so no i know and that's how it should be do you think addy has ever picked up a check in my presence of course not like i'm i'm the sandwich generation andrew i'm the one always picking up the check like like i'm telling my parents and i love them dearly my parents have literally not paid for a meal for me in my adult lifetime like and that's not true they paid for

my rehearsal dinner for my first wedding like i say yeah one wedding is probably i guess after

that it was that was also not a cheap meal it was at cafe lago it was lovely and they were you know i think at the time pretty broke so that was a very very kind gesture i did not ask them for the second to do anything for the second wedding i will not ask them if i have a third fourth or fifth wedding to do anything but at some point it started with i didn't want to be messing with the entertainment book anymore i didn't want to be like on the occasion that we went out i didn't want it to be the case that like i couldn't order what i wanted because it was like you know like we're the kind of family that when we did go out we never got soda so it's like we're getting pizza i want us to have soda and also i want to get extra toppings on the pizza and also and so at some point it became easier for me to just pick up the check and then it just became you know it became kind of the the standard is that and i don't mean this with my siblings per se but like you know in fact my my siblings are amazing because they're all phenomenal cooks and if we go to their house there's always a big spread it's just like the idea if i were to go out to dinner with my mom and dad the idea that they would reach for the check is preposterous at this point and i

don't think that's the norm the funny thing is isn't i guess you know kind of traditional and Again, it's very loving, but my folks, when I'm visiting them – and I need to get another – I need to get a trip on the books there. Maybe do a week and maybe do a few shows of TBTL from my folks' basement again. I got that new rig, which might even make it easier, Luke. Fancy. All of that is to say it's always very, very sweet, but I'm always like, come on, let me buy one. I remember the last – well, maybe it wasn't the last time, but I remember I was there with Veeve. So this is going back a ways, but it was like our last meal. And like when I'm visiting our last meal, when I'm, when I'm visiting, do you know, I had to change the show title after 24 hours or maybe even after the weekend.

I think on Friday, did you change it to your first meal?

Did you see that I had mislabeled? Yeah. You had said your, your first meal, which is a joke because we have a friend, obviously, who has your last meal. Rachel Bell's podcast your last meal and I think you said your first meal or something like okay that's a good show title but I put it for some reason I got confused when I was posting the show and I wrote my first meal which isn't a there's that's not a parody of anything and so all weekend it said my first meal and then I was looking at my phone or something over the weekend I was like What the? hell did i do i was like well it's too late now toothpaste out of the tube but then i logged back in on monday morning i'm like no this will not stand and i went and i changed it had you did

you notice that journey i don't know if i noticed the journey but i remember seeing the show title and thinking is that what i said i was a little confused but obviously not enough to do anything

about the thing is i think you did say that because of the context in which we were talking

maybe i misspoke it so you should have cleaned it up for me well sort of it wasn't like you

misspoke in the context of the conversation that's how the joke made sense but either way the mistake was on me for not kind of catching that okay so all of that is to say we spent a bunch of time with my folks we spend a lot of time at restaurants when i'm visiting my folks that's sort of the main thing we do and finally on our last day there i believe we're heading to the airport but we're having breakfast and it was like me and genevieve my folks and at least one set of aunts and uncles i think there were six of us maybe maybe eight but i think six um Oh, no, my sister, it was like closer to seven or eight, actually, I think. And we're like, please, we really just let, I think I may have even said in advance, I would really like to get this. Like, it's just, it's not that big of a deal. Breakfast is the most affordable meal, usually, like, let's do it. And then the bill came and my folks like the type of places I like, which are very, very simple, like, dinery kind of breakfasty places. And this is in like the suburbs of Cleveland. So it's not even in like the heart of Cleveland area. And the check comes. And again, there were at least seven of us there. And the check comes. It was like, wow, $50 or something. I don't even know if it was $50 or something. And then I remember my aunt and uncle being like, oh, my God, you're so generous. Everybody was making such a big deal about us getting the check. And it was like the most affordable thing. I don't even understand how it could have been as inexpensive as that. But it was just like, you know, it was just a quick breakfast place, you know. So anyway, that's how you maintain your hero status in my life. Yeah, that's the one you want to do. Yeah, exactly.

If you want to know the move, if you ever really, like, are insistent on paying and you want to just – the ultimate power flex and the way to get it done is you get up to use the restroom and then you kind of find your server and then you give them your card and you say, hey, I want to make sure that the other person doesn't pay.

I did that once. It backfired. What happened? Yeah, this was with Genevieve's folks, and this was a long, long time ago, though, but Genevieve's dad, very similar, really wants to pick up the tab generously, but it was one of those things where I was like, they were visiting us here in Seattle, and so I got up and I used the restroom and I did that exact move. I gave them the card but I think sometimes I think sometimes you just got to learn that like this means a lot to the other person and you don't do that and it and I think that the server came back and some I think they canceled the check or something and then he said it was like it ended up making I don't maybe it didn't quite maybe the card didn't quite get run but somehow my surreptitious move there was picked up on and it was like no no no no that is not how this works. and I had to sheepishly put my wallet away

I guess there's different levels to it because usually the people when I'm getting the check everyone's, you know, oh you didn't have to but nobody's like nobody's grabbing the waiter by the lapels and dragging them back to the table to go ahead, I gotta get some friends like that and some in-laws like that

I gotta get some more friends like you I'm going to dinner with you more often

I just want to say for the record, you and Veeves are very generous, you are very quick to pick up the check or the round you guys are really great about that and i've always appreciated that about you because i'm doing it not out of niceness i'm doing it out of insecurity i'm doing it out of i cannot handle that moment when people are like looking at the check and analyzing who had what oh god that is that is the rental car shuttle of socializing in that it is an endless amount of time it might be 30 seconds but it feels like an eternity it is it makes me so it's probably some deep-seated shit from growing up you know without a lot of money or in you know in a household we were constantly worried about what things were costing it makes me so uncomfortable i just hate that sometimes we can get away with a good like when we go out with um with becca's brother and sister scott and tiff we'll just do 50 50 that's fine i can i can deal with that but if it starts to get into like well well we had we ordered this appetizer and you ordered that or whatever i mean i am i will pay so quickly that i mean i'm giving away my secret here my achilles heel if you dilly dally with the bill i am just paying it because i cannot handle being in that

conversation next time i'm out with you i'm gonna be like well you did have a you did have a bite of my broccoli luke this is this is a format buster and we shouldn't do it but i think this is such a good place to raise a voicemail that a listener sent in this is from listener jonathan in chicago and by the way i'm gonna cut about i'm just gonna needle drop this about i don't know a third of the way into the voicemail but i will summarize how

Thank you.

this begins jonathan is the person who is in chicago and remember we got a voicemail from listener moira who recognized a tbtl 10 in the wild because you could see the logo of our show on his phone and so she and her husband gregory like went up to this person and was like ah well that was jonathan and so jonathan identifies himself that way okay but this is not this is

not um our listener in chicago who saw someone who was a 10 and then her sister called now it's

not mariah right no it is it is it's her sister saw 10 but it was just a good looking but it was mariah and gregory in chicago who saw jonathan and jonathan identifies himself as like i was that person gregory came up to me and just started shouting tbtl uh but then he's calling though

for a different reason and this is the reason i have this friend who um his buddy booked a trip to germany for oktoberfest um and a couple weeks later he decided oh hey i should go too you know he's married, but he, he was able to get away for a little bit. And then ultimately their other friend, um, and his wife jumped in as well. Um, so they go to Germany, go to Oktoberfest, drink the beer, do all the fun stuff, come back. Um, and he puts his, uh, the expenses into a split wise, you know, an app where you can kind of tally everything up and, and, uh, split it and send it out. So he does that. And a day or two later, he gets a message back from the married friend that's like, hey, uh, you charge us, you know, half the car rental. Uh, what's up with that? We're just like a third of it. Right. And he's like, no, you're, uh, you're two out of four people. So that's 50% math. Right. Um, so I don't know with something like that, as opposed to say like a dinner, right. Where you go out and there's sort of like a known quantity of food that each person consumes and you can kind of, you know, calculate out what you owe. What do you think about this situation with the car you know it's not like they had to bump up from a three-seater to a four-seater or something like that um or you know that it actually caused any more cost for the for the group with having a fourth person versus just three um but i don't know the lines are blurry to me let me know what you think so there are a lot of details at the beginning but

essentially it sounds like you have four people renting a car together but two of them are a couple and it sounds like maybe a late addition as well to the whole adventure and so if two of the four

is it divided by four divided by three

divided by four or three and I gotta be honest with you first of all I would just never make an issue of it one way or the other like if anybody said I feel like this isn't fair I'd be like okay we'll cover it like maybe I'd roll my eyes behind their back a little bit depending on how I felt about that particular situation or what that with this French track record is that's a big part of these things you know If you have the friend who's always on the cheap side And then pulling stuff that can kind of rankle But in this case I gotta say Four people renting a car you split it four ways And the couple does pay like basically Half what do you think

I think Well first of all you're pushing A pro natalist pro Relationshipist agenda again on this Show it's not really natalist I don't know what natalist means I don't even know if I want to dignify this With like with treating like it's a real thing i mean i guess jd vance would be described as natalist like there's this there's a movement of people that are basically like all americans need to be having way more kids there was a profile in the washington post a couple weeks ago about this bonkers family that's a i think they're relatively young they're probably much younger than me but husband and wife and they have many many kids and that's there's nothing wrong with that i'm from a family of seven but their their their stated belief and their whole organizing principle of their lives is pro natalism they're self-identified natalists and uh and so uh i just that word's been banging around my head it's not related to the rental car situation it is i guess what i would say is i would if i was a person who rented the car so it's it's like me and camaro kev and you and vives i think i would count you guys as a third which is really the thing about that is It's kind of a bad deal for Camaro. It's a bad deal for me, too. But I'm deciding, I'm raising the cost for me and Camaro, you know, unilaterally. But I guess I would think of you as a package deal.

But, yeah, no, I just think, first of all, I'm always trying to not think of me as a package deal, me and Genevieve, because it's Valentine's Day. I don't have a date, I don't know if you've heard, Genevieve is out of town. So, you know, I'm just trying to keep a little bit of romantic independence here. But I don't know, man. I sort of feel whatever. In this case, I'm putting myself in the position of the couple. So maybe I'm just trying to make myself seem more generous. But it's sort of like, well, I mean, is a car more comfortable if there's three people in it instead of four? I mean, I guess slightly. I just sort of feel like, yeah, we like we Genevieve and I. OK, what's the difference between a car and lodging then? Because when us and a bunch of friends went to.

Croatia, we really like kind of splashed out on a pretty like expensive dwelling, you know, with a beautiful like pool in the mountainside or whatever. It was really great. Like Vives and I both paid, you know, our, we split it amongst how many of us were there, six or seven or eight or something. We paid our, we each paid whatever chunk of that would be, right? Like we didn't get a discount because we're a couple. If anything, that would be kind of rude to the people who

weren't couples. I guess if I think about it that way, then I would, I mean, because you guys didn't need two rooms that's the thing you and genevieve needed a room and somebody who was there by themselves needed a room so in that way it's actually you know like the car is a is a different comparison because there's more space being taken up if it's the amount of the airbnb that's being utilized i mean i guess you get into shared spaces in the bathrooms and stuff maybe that's another thing i guess from the perspective of it's a bad deal for the people who are going solo then in that case you probably should have it be that every you just take the number of people there and divide it up by that number. That's probably the best way to do it, the most fair way to do it, but that's why I never invite single people to places. It's just much easier if it's like, okay, there's four couples and it's this much and each couple takes a fourth of it on because, again, if you and Veeves needed separate bedrooms and then wanted to only pay as one unit, that would be wildly unfair, but I'm guessing you guys only used the same amount of room that anybody else was using, whether they were single or in a couple.

Yes, but also the only reason we were able to get this kind of house is because we're all chipping in. So here's the thing I'd like to ask you. Let's go back to the car example here. You're sort of answering this from the perspective of the person who rented the car and is now asking for people to chip in. And you're being kind of, what's the word I'm looking for? Not gregarious, I guess generous towards me and Genevieve in this case. Burbankian. You're being classic Burbankian and saying, don't worry about it. You guys count as one unit in this car. But let's switch the role around. Let's say that you're the like you didn't plan any of this. Right. We rented a car or whatever, although I don't like putting myself in this position. And Vives and I send you and Becca like your portion of the bill together. I just send it to you. It's like, well, this is your portion. You and Becca should each pay a quarter of the car. Would you be at all put off by that? Or would you even think twice about it? I don't think I would.

I don't think I would I'll tell you what I wouldn't do was what this person in the story did I wouldn't have crunched the numbers like gone back because it sounds really like what happened was this person said okay you know I'm paying this much you're paying this much and you're paying this much and then the person some member of the couple went in and then re-crunched the numbers like I doubt that it was in other words I can't believe that somebody actually took the time to go in and they were like that seems off That seems like more than I should be paying, we should be paying. And then they went back in and redid it and were like, hey, why aren't you charging us as a single entity? Like that is a bold move, a bold move to like to email somebody like, hey, what gives with this? You're not getting invited on our next trip to, where were they going again?

This was Germany, I think, wasn't this one?

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Nine. You're not getting invited on our next Oktoberfest trip with that attitude.

I think it's interesting. Like you and I, first of all, I think that you and I share a quality that is, I think, mostly good, which is not wanting to seem parsimonious in any way. No. Like even if I maybe roll my eyes about some sort of behavior later of a friend who like always is maybe I'm telling you, this doesn't really happen that much. But like if you have a friend who's got a real track record of being a cheapo, like maybe I'll have a snarky conversation with Genevieve in private about that. Like, well, guess who didn't pick up the bill again or something? But like, that's not a very common thing. And also like that makes me sound pretty toxic. But but for the most part, you just want to you want to get it first. And then like, if you're if you're a little bit broke after that, then maybe, you know, don't go out the next time or something. You know what I mean? Like, I just sort of feel like we'll figure it out later. But in the moment, I just I want to be this person. Having said that, though, you and I are also of a certain we have a lot of different privilege. But aside from just even that and being lucky enough to be in a position where we don't have to count every single dollar the way we did when we were younger and like literally saying my car broke down. I don't know if I can still go to Taco Bell. You know what I mean? Like the thing is, there are people who live even closer to our age, but they live a different kind of lifestyle where they're traveling in groups a lot. And because of that, they build up some walls around that as well. It's kind of like, like Genevieve went on a trip with a group of friends who she was like varying degrees of close to, you know what I mean? Like a couple that she's pretty close to, but then some friends of friends that were in this thing and they all went down to Sonoma or whatever. And I think there was some pretty big wealth disparity between the folks. I'll just say that Genevieve was definitely the poorest of this group. and I know that they were used

using some sort of app afterwards where there was kind of like okay well this person they were trying to keep track of like well this person got this pretty fancy brunch and pick up the whole thing a boozy brunch and this person got this really fancy dinner here or whatever and so and they were also buying groceries for the house for the week or whatever it's like well i'll pick up the groceries put in the app like i don't want to make it sound like if you're not looking to be kind of fair and square with a big group of people you're traveling with that you're cheap in some way i understand and if that's a big part of your life then you're going to be like okay well i need to like kind of if i want to continue to travel with friends i need to make sure that i'm not footing every bill the whole way and so you might find yourself being a little bit more protective i may be saying that to folks who have a different life experience than us around this kind of stuff but generally speaking i do think that a lot of you and i talking about this it comes from this place of just never never wanting to be as you said the person who said like well really you got well you guys got drinks and we didn't you know what I mean it's like I don't yeah I just I hear that sometimes it's like well I'm a non-drinker and I'm always picking up the tab for the people who are drinking and if you're a non-drinker and that's always happening to you I could see it being a little bit frustrating but I'm just telling you I'm never going to be the person who says like hey you had a vodka tonic and I had a coke I don't think that like we should be splitting

this evenly like i just i cannot be that person yeah i mean really i think the move is to just have really clear boundaries about it not boundaries is a weird word it's very loaded for me i assume to me when i say boundaries i i mean someone not letting me do what i want i don't know but like you're talking about that trip i mean that could be really stressful if you're traveling with a group and a lot of them are at one kind of income level and are proposing these kinds of events and it's like everyone's grabbing, you know, Oh, I grabbed that dinner. Uh, but then, you know, so then you get this golf outing or I don't know how that even works, but that could be really stressful. And really the move on that is to just say like, we are going to track all of this and people are only going to pay for the, the only going to pay for what they, for what they used or whatever, and just be okay with it. Like that's actually how I would like to be living my life but i'm too insecure to do that so instead i'm i'm not constantly but i'm often the one grabbing the thing because i just don't want it to be awkward but then like low-key a little butthurt about it maybe that's not true i'm not butthurt about picking up the check but guess what i'm trying to say is it's a much better system to just like be really clear about the about the what here's what we're gonna you know here's here's who's paying for what and this is how we're gonna divide it all up and then no one has to be stressed no one has to be like oh man I got the dinner when everyone was like on their third, you know, mixed drink. But then that other person got breakfast, which as we've learned just today, Andrew, classically cheap meal. I'm telling you, go to the eggs nest. Less drinking, ideally, for most people at breakfast, I hope. So, you know what I mean? Like, I've been in a position where it's like, we're all kind of, everybody's going to grab one of these things. But then I'm like, but how did I get grabbing the one that's, you know? So, like, my point is just it's better to be really clear and upfront about stuff and then just stick to it. And then it's, like, probably, like, a potentially awkward five-minute conversation where maybe someone's like, well, that doesn't feel super fun or super generous or gracious. But, like, you get through that awkward five minutes and then no one is stressing the rest of the trip, you know, feeling like they're getting kind of, like, the short end of the, you know, the stick or whatever.

Yeah, and I do think it has to do with the context of who the folks are and what your relationship is. Because like throughout this conversation, like there are literally their last name rhyme with I don't know what I'm talking over you. I don't even want to. I don't know what you're going to say there, because I think, you know, there are actually don't. Oh, well, I was just gonna say there are like literally two people in my life. And this doesn't come up all that often. But there are two people in my life that I will find myself like dining with or somehow sharing expensive expenses with where it's like, well, of course, this is coming from this person. You know what I mean? Because they it's just like and that's what the track record of it. And it's kind of like, I'll just buy, like, I'll just, and sometimes when I hear that, I'm just like, I'll just pick up the whole check. You know what I mean? If anybody is even getting, I'm not, I'm never, I'm never aggressive about it, but it's like, can we just, I just want to, when I see that behavior, I want to be the opposite of that behavior. It inspires me to be more generous.

I want to be a better person, Andrew, because of, uh, of, of, of the, of the people and the behavior I was, by the way, I was talking about the people that Vives was traveling with who were very well supported. I said, does it rhyme with Bill Grates of Microsoft?

It is not. I'll say that it is about one degree of separation away from Bill Grates. Maybe two degrees of separation.

Can we White Lotus with them sometime?

I'm wondering if Genevieve, did she tell you about this? She stayed and one of them is a colleague who I believe her partner or husband was very high up in that organization on the east side of Seattle. And I've been training him for years in like what it sounded like Bojack Horseman's house, basically.

He, like, lives in just, like, the fanciest, richest version of mid-century modern paradise in Palms, outside of Palm Springs, I want to say, or something like that. Yeah, it was like, it sounded nice. Ask them if I can be friends with them. Yeah, I thought Genevieve would have told you about this because it was just like, oh, so this is Luke's dream. Sounds like it. Thank you for being a tan.

Speaking of sharing the financial load, Andrew, I mean, that whole conversation was a perfect lead into this, to thanking some people who are voluntarily sharing the load of TBTL support. They are sending in their hard-earned money so that we can do this for our job. And it's an incredible thing. It's an incredible thing that Mark Jeffrey from, is it? Oh, you know, I thought that this. you thought it was a typo was a typo it's not i had to google it too not a typo i thought that we were thanking mark jeffrey in chicago city but that isn't what we call it and then i read on it's minnesota it's chic uh chishago city how do they say it over there chisago chisago it looks

like chicago only instead of um the second c it's an s chisago city minnesota chisago city minnesota

is where mark jeffrey is thank you mark but that doesn't confuse anyone ever no i bet you were the

first people to ever have that conversation about that city which makes me also wonder if uh if mark is a new daily donor thank you mark i don't remember or maybe move to chicago oh that's true that is impossible to say shisago shisago i believe do you want to know something i wonder

if that's is the name chicago is that native american i wonder if shis if shisago and chicago are both maybe Native American in their origins? I don't know.

It's just about 35 miles outside of the Twin Cities, by the way. It's small. It's got a population, Luke. In 2010, a population listed as under 5,000 people, 4,900 people there. So it's a small, little, beautiful community, it looks like.

Is it right near Nam-York City, Minnesota?

New to York City? what is new to york city new to york city that's a better joke lucian banning is in olympia

washington we have no trouble saying olympia washington not at all thank you lucien thanks also to my pal evan yesberger out there in mount fernan washington my buddy evan my gunk holen pal

there's not a lot of donors that you can refer to as a gunk holer in fact i tell you to stop

saying that but after the email from john asking that i stop that's right this is very apt evan is my buddy who owns this amazing sailboat seabird and we've been out on that boat many times evan is an absolute gem thanks evan appreciate you man this is really nice thanks also to megan riquetta of houston texas nice very helpful pronouncer yeah i love that it says rhymes with cicada what if i thought that word was cicada cicada i mean this does rest on me knowing what the words how the word cicada is pronounced although it's been in the news a lot lately yeah

i feel like every seven years it's a pretty big news story thank you megan ricata of houston texas

thanks also to rosemary donnelly of jacksonville florida thank you rosemary and then it wouldn't be it wouldn't be a full and complete week of tbtl sorry i just wanted to be bortles bortles i forgot about that show god that show was good it was stacia colacerto of tacoma washington sound like stacia was in trouble i was just being careful because i wanted to make sure i was saying stacia's name correctly stacia colacerto of tacoma washington well done well done by you luke

Congratulations, and also thank you so much, Stacia, and everybody for keeping this show going.

That's right. We sort of ran out of time today on the story of the snake attack on the woman, but I've got the tape pulled. Maybe we can play that on Monday or something at some point. It's an evergreen. The insanity of what happened to this woman will be as insane at some point next week as it would be today.

So you're getting on a plane very shortly and heading back stateside.

So stateside, and I guess my other big report on Monday will be, did I make the right decision?

Oh, on the seating situation.

It's hard because of the, not to revisit this whole topic, but basically because of my little airline status with Alaska Airlines and like American Airlines is part of the club, I can pick my own seat, which is a great thing. But there are a lot of available seats on this flight. almost like a worse thing because it's the, you know, the paralysis of, of, of, of having a lot of decisions. If there was just one window seat, I would just pick it or one aisle seat, you know, anything that's not in the middle, I would just pick it. But the fact that I can go in probably all the way up until I get to the airport and potentially keep removing around the, you know, the, the position I'm in, it's, it's making me, it's, it's making me a little nuts, but I'll give

you a report on Monday on if I made the right call. Cause you're adding the factor of, I mean, it seems great. Oh, I have so many options, but it also means that a lot of people haven't picked their seats yet either so your decision could be you know could be good or bad based on actions

after you've made your decision well the good news about where i'm currently sitting is it's locked in in that there are two people already next to me so i don't have any illusion of having i mean that's another thing you're right yeah part of the window strategy would be well maybe that middle seat stays right not taken but i don't know how how sold out the flight is and it could you know those middle seats could all fill up with people that that weren't allowed to pick their seat until the flight was you know about to take off and then that would really i mean that's the other thing the danger of that being sardined in with with two strangers next to me for 10 hours that that could be rough i think i'm feeling i'm talking myself into and feeling better about my decision to be on an aisle at the very front of bad coach you got it locked in now it's the front yeah and also don't be shy about which is also craig t nelson's memoir bad coach the good part

i'm trying to i was good with the bad i don't know i'm trying to riff on that but also you're always talking about the southbound whatever on a northbound whatever i'm trying to work that into coach and craig t nelson i you heard me melt down there i guess it's a good thing we're maybe Pausing for the weekend here I'll try to be fresher on Monday

I think you have I'm giving you 10 Rotten Tomatoes That's good right? I don't think so I'm giving you 5 bags of popcorn Did I tell you about my mom? Did I send you that message from my mom? We were talking about some movie And you were roasting it And she said it's got a 64% fresh rating On Rotten Tomatoes

Wait a second I wondered why you said I was roasting that movie Is that true?

There was a movie that you said you didn't want to watch or that you hadn't enjoyed, and my mom was listening to that episode, and then she went and looked up its Rotten Tomatoes score. Oh, you know what it was? It was the movie about the how much does the soul weigh.

Oh, yeah. I wasn't roasting it. I'd never seen it.

No, you were saying you would never see it. You were saying it was not for you.

Yeah, it was not for me. Okay. But I thought you were roasting it.

And also not for my mom, except she just wanted to find out if it was a good movie. I just think it's hilarious that she takes Rotten Tomatoes as such gospel.

Let's see here. I'm looking at, oh, I see your colonoscopy report. Here we go. The movie, was it Andrew referred to, was actually called 21 Grams. It was like 21 Grams, and it got 80% on Rotten Tomatoes, although I haven't seen it yet. She's defending it just based on the popularity.

Maybe we should have my mom start doing movie reviews of movies she hasn't seen but has looked up on Rotten Tomatoes.

That would be so good. Genevieve does play a game with me sometimes. Sorry, we've got to wrap this up. We were having breakfast the other day at the IHOP, and I said I made some allusion to the movie Titanic, which I've never seen, and she looked at me. She did that thing. She cocked her head a little bit. She's like, what do you think the plot of the Titanic is? It's like, just put down your phone. Tell me what you think the plot of the Titanic is. I'm like, well, I know that there's, like, draw me like one of your little French girls. There's a hand on a window during an amorous meeting. You were focusing on the horny parts. I really was focusing on the horny parts. I know that a lot of people think there was room for him on the plank at the end, but apparently there wasn't, and an old lady tells the whole story, and you realize at the end. That, my friend, is the plot of the Titanic.

Near, far, wherever you are, my heart will go on. It's also the movie that this guy Barry that we used to know, not our friend Broadcast Barry, totally different Barry, who had the two weirdest lies. One of his lies was that he had named the Bedazzler 2. And these were not like jokes. He was very serious about this. And this other lie was that he had painted, he was the one who painted the paintings that Leo DiCaprio's character pretends to paint. And I was telling people this for years. And then someone was like, it's well known that it's James Cameron. very prove like it's weird that we know who did paint them could have just been a set designer but no it's james cameron i believe or something famously so it's like barry get a better lie

well as guillotay said it's just some barry that i used to know i'm back baby yes that's a show

title all right thanks everybody we'll see you on monday and in the meantime have a great weekend take care of yourselves and please remember no mountain too tall and good luck to all Power out.