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Ah, look at that kooky old cookie jar. You like cookie jars, Kenneth? Well, I guess I've never thought about it that much. We had a nice one back home in Georgia. Had a bear on it. I remember when my mom's friend Ron would come over. They'd go into the bedroom to sort out their paperwork, and I'd just go ahead and stare at that cookie jar. It was almost as if I took every problem that I ever had and I put it inside that cookie jar and I sealed it up so tight that nothing would never, ever, ever get out. So I guess to answer your question, I'd give cookie jars about a B.

TBTL.

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No, you're being friendered. So just please accept our compulsory hospitality. If you had a favorite saying, what would it be?

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Well, all right. Hello, good morning, and welcome, everyone, to a Tuesday edition of TVTL, the show that just might be too beautiful to live. Hey, cheer up. It's Taco Tuesday. My name is Luke Burbank. I am your host. I'm joking. I'm joking. Coming to you from the Madrona Hill studio where it is wet and windy out there. Didn't know you like to get wet, though. I had to delay the beginning of this broadcast to run outside of the studio and out onto the deck attached to the house because I realized that the I had neglected to put the cover like the kind of, you know, rain cover back on the barbecue, back on the Weber. And so over the weekend, we had some really nice weather, particularly on Friday. So I broke out the barbecue. But now we're having terrible weather. And I was watching the tongs and the barbecue spatula bang into each other in the rain and become covered in water and it was going to make me even more distracted than normal on the show today so i went out there i fixed it andrew was patient with me thankfully and we are in great shape my friends for episode 4415 in a collector series let the fun begin oh we've got an update can you can you verify can you give me some 411 involving the 100 000 missing liberty bell Hmm. Cuts off kind of weird. Also, if you think that was boring and forever taking.

This is so boring and forever taking.

You should be watching Severance on Apple TV. My goodness. I watched the latest episode last night, and I may have lost the thread. We'll get into that, too. And we're going to talk to this fellow, the longest-running Cobra of the show, maybe best known for his depictions of the tall ships. He's sort of the Terry O'Quinn of podcasting, also known as Andrew Walsh, and he's joining me right now. Good morning, my friend.

Is there any kind of scrolling that isn't doom-scrolling anymore? Where's my sweet relief? I left Twittered for Blue Sky. Yeah, actually, that's not a bad idea, or that Goodwill Auctions site that our friend David had told us about. I feel like there's no—I'm in a bad mood this morning because I can't get away from the news, Luke. I can't get away from the news.

Do you feel like Blue Sky is becoming more sort of politicized than it was maybe at the beginning?

Well, my issue isn't with Blue Sky so much as it is with the Trump administration. No, joking, of course. My point is, no, I don't think that people who use Blue Sky should not talk about what's going on in the world. Like, what's going on in the world is terrible. We have to talk about it. I have no issues at all with Blue Sky or when people are posting on Blue Sky or my particular feed. It's just all bad. It's just all bad. And so, like, and it's funny, it's like, you know, we're looking for these little bits of reprieve from this, and you're just not, there's few places to find it, and then you feel guilty, like, well, maybe I shouldn't be finding it. But it's like, also, I can't spin like this just constantly.

Yeah, it's rough. It's very rough. And, again, I'm, you know, as a public radio employee of sorts, I'm trying to really, I'm trying to stay the.

Of course, I'm trying to not turn my back on my on my public radio, you know, colleagues, that is to say, whether it's OPB or KUOW or anything else. But it's just it's just brutal because it's just one story after another that fills me with existential dread, as they say. And then I like to unwind on the treadmill by listening to our friend Chris Hayes's podcast. Why is this happening? Which this week, it is not a look away from all of it. It's actually a look into it. But you do get to learn what a Chad Thundercock is. Well, let me ask you this. So I'll give it a 98 on Rotten Tomatoes just purely for the unpacking of Chad Thundercock on this week's Why Is This Happening.

Well, that's a good, and I know I am behind on listening to that show. I have not been a good friend in that regard, but it does raise a question that maybe we could have Chris on the show and ask him this, but I'll ask you this if you listen to it. Why is this happening? if only there were a show dedicated to that project why is this happening but i guess we do have a little i'll i didn't mean to start off the show so negatively but i wanted to let you know kind of what you're dealing with today i get you um but what uh we do have some good news right in the news today well yeah are you pivoting to something else well no let's get to that in a

minute by the way how did you feel about my decision to play three and a half bell tolls

it was a weird amount let me just take the listeners through this quickly as we were getting

ready for the show uh and we were going to talk about this liberty bell thing in a minute um but uh i realized i didn't have any a great sound effect for this in fact the first sound effect i was going to try to use i was going to try to get away with playing this as if it were a bell and then and then you don't get the show you you rightfully pointed out andrew these our listeners they are people of honor lies do not become them they would have known that was not a bell they would have known that was a gong um they're clearly very very intelligent folks that listen to this program so then while we were kind of chatting and getting ready for the show i went on to the internet and i found this some youtube video of this and i was loading it into my computer playing you know a few of them this of course as i mentioned yesterday and as you mentioned today puts one in the mind of acdc yeah can we highway to hell yeah can we actually um

um wait is it highway to hell is that the is that the name i think that's highway to hell okay give

me one second here because you're finding the chipmunks version i want to find the chipmunks

version of this um let's see here no no it's not highway to hell it's hell's bells i knew it was

Oh, it's Hell's, oh, because it's Bells.

Yeah, yeah, so I knew it was the lead track off of Back in Black, and I knew this because I used to, it's just so cool, Luke, I used to leaf blow, I used to blow the leaves on the driveway, there's got to be a better way of saying that, in eighth grade, while listening to Back in Black, and it would always pick in with Hell's Bells. Badassery of the highest order. So just imagine just like pudgy little Andy just like getting the leaves off of a very suburban, literally cul-de-sac-to-driveway. Burgundy Bay? Listening to this, yes, exactly, And I want to hear, I want to go back. Dude, that guitar riff absolutely slaps, though. Oh, yeah. Let's hear the bells. I want to hear how close these bells are to your bells. Can you play your bells or at least the first one again?

Legally, I have to play all two and a half. Clearly, I had no plans to get this far into the file, hence it being cut off.

Oh, I thought you just stopped it. Oh, you weren't planning on playing the whole thing.

That's how slapdash this whole thing was. I thought, okay.

Here's ACDC here. Oh. Oh, you're serrier. Really? This is weak compared to yours. Come on now. We can't let too much of it play. We already got the chipmunks on our ass.

They really let it breathe. I love it.

Oh, yeah, man. Put it in my veins.

A leaf blow. Okay. Um, yeah, actually the difference between trying to do a chipmunk version and just doing the, uh, is it Brian Johnson?

I think so. Yeah. Like the way to know he was the original singer. Was he still on back in black? I get them all confused.

Um, I like trying to, I was going to try to do a funny spoof where I pretended to be the chipmunks singing highway to hell. But then you're like, Oh, that's it. Both things are at the absolute top. I mean, they're beyond the top of my register. They sound essentially the same, me shrieking as the chipmunks or as whoever the person was at the time who was. Would you say that Angus Young, because of the kilt, has done, or it could be because ACDC switched lead singers at some point?

Yeah, Dave Evans was the original guy, but Brian Johnson was on Back in Black. Okay.

Okay, maybe because they switched singers at some point, or maybe because of the kilt, or maybe because of the absolutely ripping guitar solos. But would you say Angus Young probably has the award for guitarist who is more famous than the lead singer of their very famous band? Like, 80% of the people outside of Australia could not name who the lead singer of ACDC is, but they would say the guy with the kilt, that's Angus Young, right? Like, I feel like his star has far outshone whoever is singing in ACDC.

Yeah, that's a really good call. Does Van Halen give them at all a run for their money? Well, sure. I mean, the lead singers, I mean, it's named. It's not named after the lead singers. It's Van Halen.

Yeah, but I still think David Lee Roth and, I guess, Sammy Hagar were more, I would say, David Lee Roth. Unless we're talking to Camaro Kev. Yeah. I would say, like, people, nobody was confused about David, like, you know, when, like, California Girls comes out and it's dominating the MTV airwaves. I feel, you know, I'm trying to think. I mean, you know, obviously, in the Rolling Stones, Keith Richards is hugely famous, but Mick Jagger is still, you know, you know that Mick Jagger's the lead singer of the Rolling Stones.

Yeah, I'm trying to think of other examples, but now I think you got that one. And I think if anybody, yeah, I think Angus Young comes to mind before anybody else.

Yeah.

And again, I think it's because the guitar. Wait a second. Bon Scott is the guy. I think Dave Evans. That name looks funny. I was Googling this. Dave Eggers. Dave Eggers was the original writer of a heartbreaking work of brutal ACDC. Yes. A staggering bell of heartbreaking genius. This was me getting, oh, man. And this was, like, several minutes ago, which means a lot of people are very angry at me. And emails are already sent. Wasn't he, like, the drummer? It says, I was Googling because I couldn't, my brain wasn't working. And I said, oh, Dave Evans was the first lead singer. But that didn't ring a bell to me. Bon Scott is the guy that we think of when we think of the first lead singer. Really? I thought that was the drummer who died, Bon Scott. Oh, god damn it. Am I messing this up again?

But, like, why am I acting authoritative on this?

No, Bon Scott was an Australian singer who was the second lead vocalist and lyricist and humorist. He was the humorist of hard rock band ACDC from 74 to 8. He also covered sports and the business of sports.

Bon Scott on sports and the business of sports. I would absolutely agree.

Anyway, before the show, we were playing the bells, and I told you to play all three of them.

You didn't. You said, oh, because in the sound check, I only played one. You were like, oh, you're only going to play one. And I said, I'm going to just see how I feel. I went with the exact wrong amount Way too much And then abruptly ending You know what else makes the Bon Scott thing confusing to me Is you do have John Bonham Who was he Led Zeppelin Drummer If I say it in that voice I'm not committing But I think I definitely Not being clearly Very read in on either of these bands I think that Bon Scott and John Bonham

are always kind of banging around in my brain

as rock dudes who died too young. Or maybe exactly at the right age. I don't really know. Well, what about the... Okay, and John Bonham, was he the guy that drove his car into a swimming pool?

I think that... I don't know that story.

Or was that Bon Scott? No, Bon Scott was the ACDC guy.

Yeah, I mean, who's the who drummer? Who's on drums? Keith Moon. Keith Moon was the real wild man. Keith Moon is the one who was a real wild child. He put dynamite in his drum kit on some TV show and caused a ruckus.

Yes, exactly. I mix all of them. I'm also just, I don't know, we have so much to talk about, including the dangerous game I'm playing with my haircut today, Andrew, which I know you're dying to hear about. I don't know why this is where I'm going with the show, but I think part of it is, one, my old brain is faltering as the years go on, uh but also i'm i have a i have a deep antipathy about both guitar and drums in music as in i did actually really like that acdc riff coming in but like this whole question of like greatest rock drummer of all time is a conversation i could not have less interested or like greatest and like because i listened to a ton you know my version of the dan levitard show is the howard stern show in that it's a thing that i listen to constantly when when i'm not on the air with you and so i have a parasocial relationship with them and howard stern is learning how to play guitar and he loves nothing more than a one-hour conversation comparing the guitar work of say joe walsh to that of say he's on a vince gill kick right now yes the country singer vince gill because vince gill is in some some ghost frigate that is the eagle right now like wait is he the guy have you heard this commercial for eqc casino where it's like what it's like the man who brought the hard edge sound to the eagles is on tour and then they just play like some eagles track and it's kind of like is that joe walsh no no it's a different guy no no let me look up the chat thundercock it's some person who is like the the i do not know much about the eagles i should say that but who like the least known entertainment center of the northwest capital you mean yeah but the EQC casino is bringing something they have when they have these has-been musicians of course they they they you know relate them to the act that they were famous for but this isn't even one of the names you've got from the Eagles so they say it the man who brought the hard guitar edge to the Eagles like you probably I don't even know that he would have been a vocalist I have no idea who this dude is but then as an example of that they just play hotel california from the album or whatever the hardest songs of all time and you're like what is

going on are you actually would really like to hear that commercial maybe actually if we go on the website we can probably figure this out yeah no something vince gill is a country singer but i guess he like somehow is basically what's happening is howard stern is spending his days just deep down youtube rabbit holes about guitar playing and he finds the topic endlessly fat endlessly fascinating and i find the topic endlessly boring and i think as a as a reaction as a self-preservation my brain is starting to eject whatever information it had about keith moon and john bonham and bon scott and anybody else glenn campbell who was i believe the guitarist up in the wrecking crew second uh wrecking crew reference this week i think you might have been thinking of the bar case the other day by the way when i mentioned the wrecking crew and you said were they the horn section are you were you thinking maybe of the bar case because they were famously an amazing horn section that kind of backed up a lot of Otis Redding stuff and things like that?

No, I wasn't thinking of them, and I wasn't thinking of the Tower of Power or whatever they are, but I had what I once thought was a special mix, but I realized it was just somebody had taken the vocals out of something. I had, like, in the early 2000s... Was it me trying to play you audio? No, it was before I

knew you, there was... The vocals were on the left channel.

There was some, um... There was some, like, weird early 2000s mix I had that was, like, a bunch of songs that this band had backed up but they were pretty horn heavy that doesn't matter i want to back off of that for a second because it's not interesting i don't have the answer to your question what i do want to say while we're on the topic of eqc casino yes do you remember and i need some space here do you remember on the show a while back we were looking at probably because of this exact type of conversation we were looking at acts coming to eqc and you stumbled on something called club giggly and it looks like it's two women two young women who are podcasters and you're like i don't even know what that is and then we googled it and they have tons of followers and they're probably influencers or whatever and you know i don't want to get into a whole like generational thing like whatever like they probably have a lot of listeners and people might absolutely love these women all i want to talk about is the commercial that i heard since then and it is sometimes played on the radio and it is sometimes played on television and i'm pretty sure i found it here and i hope this is the right one because it is indescribable it is indescribable and i heard this with genevieve so many times it kept auto feeding into something we're watching on tv please be the right one please coming live to the emerald queen casino event center

it's club giggly thursday march 6th with page de sorbo and hannah burner ragson has gotten a dui never been convicted just called his job ragson sounds like a form of birth control that I forgot to take. Get your Club Giggly tickets now at EmeraldQueen.com. Maybe at the end. Giggly Squad Live, Thursday, March 6th. Why do you think people think I look like I haven't showered and my lips are always chapped? Because you don't brush your hair. Emerald Queen Casino, the entertainment capital.

The version I've heard is only like 10 or 15 seconds long and it's just Club Giggly coming to EQC Casino and then they play just this clip at the end. I had never heard this whole thing. Just the thing where she's saying just this.

Look like I haven't showered and my lips are always chapped. Because you don't brush your hair.

And I know I'm not the part. Is it the laugh track that gets you? I just don't get the joke. You don't get the joke. By the way, that gong sound that you played earlier is literally the habitar gong that they play when he says, you don't get the show. But anyway, it was just like, I just kept hearing that 10 seconds over and over. Why do people think you haven't showered? Or I have greasy hair. Whatever it is. And I'm just like, this 30-second version actually does it way more justice than just hearing a 10 second version i'm like i don't understand what even this is a

commercial for yeah and like how would that ever uh get you to buy a ticket to this thing unless you already knew about these and maybe that's the point you know i i don't know because i mean they're spending some amount of money on they're advertising this so clearly clearly Eh...

AQC is putting or the promoters putting money behind trying to get more people there. Yeah, and and and that's doing a bad job of it Not to be a commentary on the show at all now What's interesting about this now that I'm looking at it is this one of the the folks in this giggly squad Hannah burner is very much having a moment because I believe she was on the red carpet for the Oscars and I didn't I didn't see her because as I mentioned yesterday I didn't watch the red carpet part of the Oscars, but I somebody said something that was notable and what I remember about it while they were on the red carpet and I was reading and it said like while they were being interviewed by this Hannah Berner person and Then I also noticed that my friend Sarah Schaefer the comedian and performer Was hosting something for comic relief and she had taken a picture backstage of the like of the rundown of the lineup of comics And this woman Hannah Berner one of the Giggly Squad was on that rundown So it's clear that at least one member of the Giggly Squad is ascendant right now in the pop culture And so I'm actually kind of surprised that it isn't already sold out I'm with you that that ending piece of tape And listen, we've struggled with this on our show It's hard when you do a show that's just kind of You know, just you sort of chopping it up Just yapping It can be hard to find something that is a sort of self-contained joke That only takes up five seconds Like it's very hard to do But whoever cut that I think they could have done a better service to this show To the show we're talking about club giggly yeah now uh what i would go see if i ever had the chance would be don felder formerly of the eagles he'll be performing songs from his new solo album american rock and roll along with classics like hotel california um now listen i don't want to uh there's no reason to yuck any yums there's no reason for me a person who could sell exactly 10 tickets at the eqc to be critical of anyone who's touring and selling probably a lot of tickets at the eqc but i can very much imagine a conversation between don felder's people and the eqc people about if don felder is going to be playing new music from his solo album american rock and roll and and and i i have a feeling that the eqc people would like there to be zero songs played from american rock and roll and don felder would like there to be all of the songs played from american rock and roll and probably almost zero hotel california well he likes applause too and they maybe he probably likes a little bit of applause and so i think that they landed on this this very parsed verbiage experience an unforgettable night with don felder formerly of the eagles at the eqc event center april 17th he'll be performing songs from his new solo album american rock and roll comma along with classic hits like hotel california let me just see i'm gonna do it again

because apparently, and God bless them, it is hard to find usually radio-style commercials on YouTube, but EQC is posting all their commercials. Let's see if they have that line. And I want to say something that I think is, I want to interject something here about that Club Giggly thing. There are a few things that I like less than middle-aged or older men talking about something that- What if they're white? Yeah, especially straight, cis, all the, you know, like just really plugged into youth culture. making fun of people who are younger like you know yes entertainment choices for people who are younger than them specifically young women like i don't know what's going on with club giggly it might be good but these commercials are always chopped up and i'll bet you it's not for me i'm sure it's not but i just don't i want to make it very clear that first of all we're going we're going after the boomers and we're going after the kids here as far as the weight well

we're the sandwich generation andrew we don't have the money our boomer parents did or the fans that the younger generations have.

So I do want to hear if Don Felder, if they use the line here, the man who brought the edge to the Eagles. The man who brought the rock and roll edge to the Eagles. I rest my case.

Hey, Andrew, a little more on Don Felder. No matter how you look at it, 2024 is shaping up to be the year of the fingers. Don Fingers Felder, that is.

Chris, get on that.

Your Chad. Chad Thundercock. Yes. Chad Thundercock's father, Don Fingers Felder, a true American rock and roll guitar hero, is very much looking forward to building upon his rich legacy as one of the most innovative, riff-generating songwriters of the modern rock era, while continuing his growth as a featured touring and recording solo artist. To that end, Felder finds himself most decidedly back in the driver's seat. This really feels like Fingers doth protest too much.

He's back in the driver's seat.

To that end, Felder finds himself most decidedly back in the driver's seat.

Somebody who was in the way, way back of the Eagles station wagon, I think, for too long.

And now he's back in the driver's seat.

Exactly, yeah. Let me ask you this. Was Don Felder on the black carpet, do you recall? So, did you have an opportunity to interview me?

I believe Don Felder was not doing interviews on the black carpet, Andrew. Much to my chagrin. Old fingers. I mean, here's the irony of what I'm doing right now. I'm shit-talking the incredibly rich and successful Howard Stern for his talking about guitar people, and then I just ate up 10 minutes of your life with Don Fingers Felder.

There's only one thing that I want to hear from you, and it's this drop the next time you introduce somebody on the show. The man who brought the rock and roll edge to the Eagles.

Will you forward me that, or will you? Can you capture that, please, and send it to me? I like that it's a clean cut, too. I love that. It's really, really good. Okay. Well, we're at a natural breaking point, which is why I'll extend this by telling you I'm trying something new today, Andrew, with where I'm getting my hair cut down in town. The last couple of times, I have been on the show really an advocate, I think, for what we'll call the affordable haircut industry. Your greats, clips, your sports cuts. I don't know if super cuts is still a thing, but that basically the kind of place where there you'll never have the same person twice. And it's there is nothing glamorous about that, about the haircut. But there's also nothing expensive about it. I'm paying about twenty dollars for a haircut these days. And yes, the place is in a Fred Meyer.

I tell you, where I'm going now, which is not a chain, it's a local shop, but it's very, very affordable, and I think it caters to probably a lot of people who are new to the country or whatever. I definitely am a bit of a fish out of water there. I mean, they're very kind and very nice, but everybody's talking. Let me put it this way. Everybody's talking about soccer, and I'm like, does anybody know baseball, and nobody knows baseball. So anyway, I am.

Does anyone here know the man who brought the rock edge to the campus?

I bet they did not. I promise you that I am not saying this to make it sound like I am super generous or wealthy, but I'm tipping, like, more than 50%, and it's still so – well, no, that's – maybe I'm tipping about 50%, but I'm not saying that, like, I'm some daddy warbucks. What I'm saying is it is so much more affordable, and they do so much more. He's trimming my – I'm getting beard trims. He's doing my hair. He's trimming my beard. I'm in the chair for a long time. It's like I have never had, and I've loved Rudy's. I have nothing bad to say about Rudy's, but it is amazing. It is like with a tip still half of what I was paying at Rudy's and a very substantial tip. The reason I'm tipping that much is because I feel like I'm stealing from them.

And I have been, again, I've been out here talking about how satisfied I've been with my $20 haircuts. And the last couple have been a little dicey. Like the, the, and just, I don't know what's, I just got a couple of, um, you know, very nice, uh, women, uh, you know, cutting my hair, but like, I didn't love, I didn't super love the results. And, and the latest one, it's kind of probably hard for you to see, Andrew, but like there's, I have this side tuft of hair that I don't really want. And, and, uh, it's been, it's been increasing over the course of the last two haircuts. I've just been having some less than ideal outcomes. And so I was in the bank the other day and there is like a mortgage person there who I have worked with for some stuff associated with my house and who is a stylish person and who I was just chatting with, making some small talk while I was waiting to do my deposit. And I just said, hey, where do you get your haircut in this town? Is there a place that's not crazy expensive, but that isn't in the Fred Meyer or next to the Little Caesars? Those are the two places I've been going. again, no disrespect to those fine businesses. And she said, Oh yeah, yeah. I got a great place that I go. It's over on such as I said, Oh yeah, yeah. Uh, I know that place. I drive by it all the time. And she said, yeah. And it's like, you know, they wash your hair and they do the whole thing and it's like 30 bucks or something. I was like, Oh wow. Okay. So I was at the home Depot as I often am. And I was driving past the place and I pulled in and I, I went in to make an appointment and I was already kind of in the middle of making the appointment when I kind of gazed around and noticed that it is the place is chock full with those kinds of um inspirational like signs and writing you know living and laughing and loving and the sort with the real like script kind of loopy kind of script you know and like a lot of them a lot of them and a lot of um you know i was definitely it would i don't know how often they they cut guys hair it didn't It didn't feel like a place that caters particularly to male clients.

Did it look like a place that serves hash browns? Because you might have been in Patty's egg's nest.

You know, I'm already, by the way, I'm already kind of lying to these people at this place.

which is which is well it's not a full-on lie okay i'll tell you what happened when i i walked in and i thought i'll make an appointment i'll try this out and then i started to kind of get cold feet as the person was coming over to take my information also smelled very distinctly of a woman getting a permanent in there you know that smell of a perm i haven't they don't do perms at like great clips anymore it's i don't think it's a um i don't think it's worth the time uh for the profit so i haven't been in a place where there's that very kind of distinct smell of permanent solution i also didn't know people were getting perms anymore yeah so i'm in there and someone's getting a perm and i'm starting to kind of look around and i'm i'm i'm down with living and loving but i don't know if i want to laugh this much and then the person comes over and says hey can i help you and i'm kind of trapped a little bit and i said i was wondering about making an appointment for a haircut and she said do you want it right now and i said i have groceries in the car which Which was not a lie. I did have groceries in the car.

That's fine. You don't have to get a haircut right now.

I know. But then later I said it was ice cream, which it wasn't.

But that's okay. You don't have to get a haircut.

I know, but I don't have to lie to them either. I could just say not right now. Because basically what happened was, I said I'll make an appointment for next Tuesday, which is now today. Oh, okay. That's how calendars work. And she said very nicely, she goes, you know, I just had someone cancel, so I could just do it right now. And I was like, I've got ice cream, which is not true. But anyway, so I made the appointment for today, and I'm going to go in there, and I guess we're going to see how it goes. But I'm a little nervous about it because just the whole thing, just because I don't know how it's going to go when you go to a new place. The thing about the great clips or whatever it is that I go to is it's never great, but it's never terrible. It's just it is what it is. You know what I mean? They should call it it is what it is clips then.

If they're calling it great clips and it's not great, I see issues.

It's definitely not great, but it's also not terrible, and this, I feel like, for some reason, this feels like I'm rolling the dice more with this whole situation, but anyway, we will see how it goes.

Well, I think that it's interesting, you know, there are, you know, varying, there are a lot of different types of places to get your hair did, you know, like generally speaking, and obviously like Genevieve, we talked about Genevieve going to a salon a couple of weeks ago, I'm going to more of a barber shop. I think a Great Clips is probably more on the barbershop spectrum of those things. So if you're going into a place that feels maybe, I mean, could it be a salon light or something? You might get a treatment that you appreciate. You may like the experience more.

It could be great. And that would also be kind of awesome if I really enjoy the experience and like the outcome and it's also not like $50 or $100, then maybe this will be great. It's just I'm a little bit like part of it is I keep they put my number in the system and I've been getting a reminder every day about the appointment. But for some reason, it's giving me a building sense of dread. Like, I don't know why. It's like because I'm already a little iffy about the whole thing. And I just keep getting these like auto reminders like, hey, don't forget.

We're still doing this, right? We're still doing this. Yeah, there's an appointment on Tuesday.

Yeah.

So you haven't made any other plans on Tuesday yet, have you?

Yeah. So anyway, I'll give you a I'll give you a full report tomorrow.

We was hoping for some razzle dazzle. Razzle-dazzle. That's right, man. Razzle-dazzle.

On your mark. On your mark. Get set. Get set. Now ready.

Ready.

Go. Everybody razzle-dazzle.

Hey, let's thank some dazzling donors. These folks are donating a dazzling amount of dough. They're making TBTL possible. We're no giggly squad. We're not selling out the EQC. I'm the grumpy squad. We shower regularly. You shower probably more than you need to.

Yeah.

As opposed to whatever they're doing over at Giggly Squad.

I'm down to, I wonder if I shower more during the summertime because. Oh, interesting. Yeah, because I'm a one shower a day guy for the most part. Now, unless I'm kind of going out in the evening, I kind of need like a wake them up or something. You're not like that, huh? Like if you had a whole work day, even if it's not a strenuous work day, but just like a work day, I just feel a little clammy and stuff at the end of the day. If I'm then going to go get something to eat or meet up with folks, I like to take a shower, freshen up.

My hair is a whole situation as, you know, as evidenced by that conversation a moment ago. And so, like, if I'm already, if I'm relatively clean and quaffed, I'm trying to stay, I'm trying to keep that rolling. You're probably just less clammy than me in general, too. I don't know about that, but you know what I'm getting really into these days is baths. Oh, okay, yeah. Because, you know, I redid this, what was the kitchen in my house now is a bathroom. it's stunning how small that kitchen was because it's a small bathroom and i like i look around i go how is this the entire kitchen in this house but anyway and part of the bathroom now i have a freestanding bathtub and it's kind of funny because

more than one person including i think my dad but also other people who've been working on the house or have been in the house when they saw the bath tub they were like something to the effect making a snide comment about how basically like you're never going to use that or whatever like i have probably since it went in a couple of months ago i've probably taken 15 baths and i'm loving it you watch tv in there on your laptop i don't i read uh i read some magazines and some books i I stare out the window. I bring, I do bring a, well, I have a Sonos speaker in there, so I'll put on my tunes or I'll put on my Dreamland radio. And I, so that is something that I will do not necessarily to get clean, but just because it feels luxurious. I've got some Mrs. Teal's bath, you know, whatever you call it, bath soap, like whatever stuff you put in the bathtub while you're filling it up. So that's a thing that I'm kind of starting to do a lot, like your wake-em-up. That's nice. Very nice. But that's me shutting it down.

I was going to say, that's not a wake-em-up. That's a put-em-down.

That's a real put-em-down. All right. Yeah. Let's thank Steve Lee, who says, you pronounce my name the same way that you pronounce these folks' names. And then Steve, by the way, is in Shelton, Connecticut. Steve includes a very helpful link to a website that lists the most famous people named Steve. and the most famous person according to this website named steve is stone cold steve austin which is interesting andrew because we had a stone cold steve austin can you verify can you give me some 411 we had a stone cold steve austin drop today on the program oh i always forget that that's him that supports uh this website's listing of stone cold steve austin as the number one steve I still, maybe it's my generation I still think the number two Steve Martin, that's what they've got listed as Steve, as number two I think Steve Martin could make the case for being the number one Steve. I would think Steve McQueen

but I know that's going back a ways

All the way down number five Steve McQueen And by the way, our friend and today's dazzling donor Steve Lee has thoughts on this He says, well maybe only 23 of those 25 fine people, he's talking about this Steve list Sting being listed is a sham of a travesty of a mockery. I would totally agree. They've got Sting on this list. Where's Sting? How far? Oh, Sting the Wrestler.

Oh, I thought it was Sting. Okay. Oh, and also we should note there's two Steve McQueens. How confusing is that? Oh, yeah. I forgot about that.

There's the British fashion person and director.

Yeah, exactly. And Steve Buscemi is on this list. I'm going down and finding the Sting one, but I don't see that. But there's a wrestler named Sting.

Yeah, but no one even knows that his name is Steve. I think this is our Steve's point as well, is that putting somebody who's popularly known as Sting, again, not the tantric guy, but the wrestler, just because his name is technically Steve, nobody knows his name is Steve. I'm reading now from Steve Lee's message. Sting being listed as a sham of a travesty, of a mockery of two shams, of a mockery of a sham. Nobody knows his name is Steve. Same for Stone Cold Steve Austin. Nobody calls him Steve. That's also fair. It's Stone Cold or Stone Cold Steve Austin And don't get me started on Steve Reich Being listed as the third most famous What are we even doing here? I hate to shit all over a fellow Steve But his notable works include clapping music and drumming Just listen to this nonsense And then our Steve includes a link to the music of Steve Reich Who is listed as the third most famous Steve in the world on this website I'm going to play you a little bit of it, Andrew Favorite selections from the Garu Music Library, Steve Reich's Clapping Music from 1972. Guess what, Andrew? This might all be on the left channel. I don't know.

Oh, I could play it from my end if you'd prefer.

I'm looking at it, and I'm not even hearing anything. I'm not hearing it.

Wow. Is this the Lumineers? Hey! Ho! Thank you for getting me.

Viewed 1.8 million times, Andrew. Somebody called X-I-M-A-R-E-S. Top comment. Would applause at the end be considered improvisation?

Not a bad comment. Not a bad comment from that person. Not a bad comment at all.

Steve says, clapping music and drumming, huh? Just listen to this nonsense. I did. We played the link. The 2000 Kirsten Dunst classic Bring It On did it better. Heck, 2022's Bring It On, colon, cheer or die probably did it better.

Cheer or die? That got serious.

Stakes seem pretty high on that one.

I guess there's a lot that happened in 22 years.

Steve says, wait, where was I? Oh, right. Dazzling donor message. Okay, hang on. TBTL breaking news. Wait.

I think I've got a sound for that. TV TL breaking news. Steve Reich's drumming is actually kick-ass. About an hour long, and drummers just keep coming out Fantasia-style from backstage to join him. Then he includes another link to the work of Steve Reich, which, first, we have to wait for a commercial. Are we going to play it here? Sure. Oh, yeah, I got it.

Okay, cool. right now there are four drummers out there we're only about three minutes into this video this is actually pretty cool now what i'm gonna do is i'm gonna i'm gonna fast forward to about 20 minutes into this hour-long performance oh marimba xylophone got about uh six people out there now that's really nice now we're gonna jump ahead to about 45 minutes in i think see how this thing is in the the last quarter of its life let's take oh wow we got about 10 people out there now all kinds of percussion yeah this is kind of cool yeah it is actually

okay there's a whole interview with him that says how steve reich brings repetitive music alive And it says that the headline on the YouTube video is repetitive doesn't equal boring. And I really, as a person who repetitively tells the same four anecdotes, I would like to really push for this. That repetitive does not equal boring.

You got a new tattoo idea.

Yeah. All right. Well, let's see. Steve says, he says, drummers keep coming out all Fantasia style from backstage to join him. It's definitely worth a skim through at least. Well, I'm down to just four, and then the Dazzling Donor message ends. I believe that Steve was quickly running out of space on the Dazzling Donor message.

It's because those URLs take up a lot of space, probably. Yeah, they probably do. Remember that?

What a journey, though, Steve. Great job. Great assistant producing today to take us down a rabbit hole of various Steves, including Steve Reich. I completely agree with all of your assertions in this Dazzling Donor message, Steve. I think it's BS that they've got a wrestler named Sting in the running for most famous Steve and I do also think that that Steve Rice stuff kind of slaps

and also can I we were talking about all the different like double names right you got two Steve McQueen's you got two Sting's by the way you know the singer Sting's real name right I had to look it up but it occurred to me you often call him by his first name don't you Sting

yes although don't tell me is it I mix it up with Elton John's real name Is it Reginald Dwight? No, I don't know Al John's real name. Is it?

He shares a name with Alph. It's Gordon Sumner.

Gordon Sumner. Yes. Gordon Sumner.

And I believe Alph's real name is Gordon Shumway. Yes, you believe right. You believe correctly. But what I started to say there was, isn't? You have Stone Cold Steve Austin. But wasn't there a famous Steve Austin, like a character in a 1970s TV show or movie called Steve Austin? And that's why Stone Cold Steve Austin calls himself.

Wasn't he the million dollar? Was he like the million dollar man or something? No, was he the fall guy?

Or the fall guy? One of those guys?

Was that Lee Horsley's character? I don't know, man. I just ruined the show. I know that. Here's what I don't like. If you Google Elton John real name, the first thing that comes up is Elton Hercules John. Elton Hercules John. But it's like, that's not his real name. His real name is Reginald Kenneth Dwight. And that's fine. But the internet, Elton John, full name. I Google Elton John, real name. And the biggest thing that comes back is Elton Hercules John. You're not helping, internet. We know that we call him Elton John. But what I would like to get to the bottom of is, like, what did his parents name him?

Six million dollar man, Steve Austin. Science fiction character, the six million dollar man. Six million dollar.

Who was he played by?

I get all of those guys. I don't know the fall guy from The Six Million Dollar Man from anything else we said. It was played by Lee Majors.

Lee Majors.

And Lee Majors as the beaver.

But see, that's confusing because Lee Majors, I believe, was also the fall guy. Was he? The Fall Guy was a TV show about a stuntman. Oh, yeah, starring Lee Majors.

That's why I get him confused. He was a $6 million dollar man and the fall guy.

And the $6 million man was, like, cybernetic, right? Like, the idea was the $6 million man had been in an accident. They had rebuilt him, and he had bionic powers.

Oh, I guess it was based on the novel Cyborg. Look at you. Oh, my God. The cover art for the book Cyborg. I'm assuming it's its first printing. You would love it. When you're done with the show later, I want you to Google. Cyborg, the novel, 1972 novel, in case there's any ambiguation there. What do they call it in Wikipedia? A disambiguation? Yeah, you need to disambiguate it. Is that what, is this where he's

coming, oh yeah, it's like, there's like a few versions of him?

The cyborg? I'm looking at the book, the book title is just mostly like just, it's a really awesome font with a face. Yeah, yeah, cyborg is like coming out of the

cloud of something or other. Very cool. Well, Steve, Thanks for taking us on that incredible journey. Maestro?

I'm doing other things. I don't think we're talking about the same book. There's no cloud on mine. On your mark. On your mark. Get set. Get set. Now ready. Ready. Go. Send me the one you're looking at. Well, that's why I'm judging myself. I'm sort of questioning myself here. Am I missing the cloud? What is the best way to get at you these days, Luke? Should I text you?

Yeah, just ping me on my MySpace.

Okay, I just texted it to you.

Okay. See, there's two covers for Martin Caden's Cyborg. And you're seeing them both on Wikipedia? One, it's a guy in a blue suit. And there's one where his shirt's ripping off. He's all buff. Okay.

I'm not seeing that. Okay. I'm looking at the only one that is portrayed on the Wikipedia page or displayed on the Wikipedia page. I'm looking at this. Oh, no, no. Totally different one. I dig it. It's just fun with fonts. It's fun with fonts.

Today we're discussing Garamond.

Yes, exactly.

No, no, we were looking at totally different ones.

I had a feeling, and this isn't, you know, I have a lot of regrets about the last, like, 15 minutes of my performance. No, no, no. But, you know, just, I needed to clear that out of my mind, because I was like, I don't see a cloud, or where is the cloud, what am I missing? Yes, okay.

No, but, you know, first of all, we have to, of course, thank our second dazzling donor today, which is Alicia Elliott of Sharon, Massachusetts. Last name pronounced Targus, Targus. Nice. um but you know what i think you're i you know i first of all you just like fonts you're just a font you're just a font freak andrew let your font freak flag fly that's right but i also think i have a theory i'm going to share my theory after we thank alicia i'm going to share my theory as to why you associate with this cyborg font and why you wanted me to see it so badly okay and it's going to get us into the next part of the show um first though alicia's message hey friendos I'm in Washington DC for a work conference and I'm having lots of feels about being here now given the state of things on that note I encourage my fellow tens to consider also becoming monthly donors to organizations like Planned Parenthood the Trevor Project RACES which stands for Refugee and Immigration Center for Education and Legal Services or any other group working to protect the people whose lives are actually being threatened by this administration even five dollars a month makes a difference and we'll put you in the loop on the important work that is happening and what you can do

very very good reminder i'm not trying to correct you only in case it's important um alicia's is actively threatened which is uh different than actually threatened because i i just i only point that out because i'm kind of constantly in this state of saying i'm having an existential crisis, but I'm not somebody who's actually being targeted right now, so anyway I just wanted to make sure Alicia's note was accurate there. I think

it's also a good thing like, I'm sort of reading into what Alicia's saying here, but really it is something that you've said a few times, I think we all feel this general sense of dread and hopelessness and helplessness and if you can you're not going to fix it But if you can take the, if you can turn the temperature down on that a little bit by donating to a cause that matters, that's almost like self-care in a way, like to the tune of $10 a month to Planned Parenthood or some other, you know, organization that is, it's a bunch of smart people getting up every morning, trying to figure out how to protect folks. I could see that being a way to actually feel like on some level, maybe a very small level, but on some level, you're doing something every day and every month. So in other words, it might be good for the soul.

And I'm not saying this to pat ourselves on the back. I almost started the show by mentioning this. But maybe there is some power in support, if I mention this, that I told you that we were hoping or planning on canceling our Amazon Prime membership. I just got a text message from Genevieve because, of course, they don't make it super easy, you know, so like she had to dig around or whatever. And she just sent me a text message moments before the show began saying, OK, we're officially canceled our prime. We pay yearly. So I guess it's going to hang on for a little bit. But we're like, we're done. That was a really tough decision for us or not a tough decision. It was an easy decision, but a really tough trigger to pull because I have become very dependent on that. But like I'm already looking at other organizations and, you know, and I don't even know, like, OK, I need to buy a bunch of like bags and stuff for this organization I volunteer with. And it's going to be harder to sort of track those down somewhere else. And as I'm doing that, I'm even thinking, well, how do I know the values of.

this other organization like the other organization which is i don't even have to get into it i'm like oh i'm sure the person who runs this company is not some sort of like bastion of liberal ideals

don't buy it from uline that's the number one thing are you being serious because that's literally what i'm talking about here they have the worst politics they're the number one supporters of republican they're the i think they were the largest republican donor that is literally the

company i was not starting to say i was going to say i didn't know that but i assumed with a company that runs you know anybody who runs that kind of a company you're just like you kind of assume yeah probably a a conservative republican organization but at least you don't have the consolidation of power but the fact that you specifically just said uline means i guess i got to go empty my cart i literally i'm sorry it's just hard i need to buy industrial things like bags and refillable bottles and little shampoos and all these things and it's really hard you can't really get thank you to go bags at like you know some sort of a boutique because they're plastic you know what i mean right so anyway i'll figure that shit out no no that's good to know knowing it's half the battle but anyway all of that is to say it is a journey and i'm trying to like but like other people if you're on the if you're on the fence with supporting some of these organizations or or you can't maybe you can't pull away from some of these tech organizations that you don't want to support but your life is entwined with them your work is entwined with them maybe do what alicia is mentioning and maybe also maybe like try to offset that a little bit like like genevieve used to do with her chicken sandwiches exactly alicia says on a lighter note

i love cable talk i still remember where i was when i heard episode 1554 when pause for effect andrew learns of the best radio shack in the world it's important to note that the pod description Capitalizes those words Underscoring the importance of this occasion Podcast gold Love you guys Love to the tens Love to you guys Love to the tens And thank you all for being out there Power out That's listener Alicia Did you First of all, I have a lot of thoughts on cable talk recently Do you know that I have I have There's two things that I've done That have just radically changed my cable life around here One is these little Like actually, I have some oh no, they're inside I was going to try to show you on the camera I bought these things on the TikTok shop that are these little kind of open and closeable little snaps that have a hole for a cable to go through, you stick them down on a surface and then you just kind of run the cable you can open and close them if that makes sense but bigger than that is this kind of mesh thing that I bought I don't know if you've ever seen this or if you've used this, but it's basically like a 10 foot long thing of this mesh that's it's it's it's you know, it's in a it almost looks like a piece of rope. You cut it to you cut it to the length you need and then you can actually on you can kind of like space it out. You can unfurl it like a scroll. Yes. And then it rewraps around.

Yes. I use that. I had a plastic version of it. I've used that stuff for a long, long time. I had a plastic version that wasn't super nice looking, but it didn't matter because it was hidden, but at least it kept everything all kind of grouped together. And, yeah, I've had various versions of that, yeah.

Oh, my gosh. I'm using it in a few different places. I'm using it with my record player now, and I'm using it with the thing that runs down to where my DVR is and stuff like that. Are you looking at your video? Is this the thing? No, let me get eyes up on this. That's exactly it.

Yeah, yeah. That's exactly it.

I love that thing. It is really – maybe I'll do a hey, dummies. I feel like my cable management right now is at an all-time high.

You have to edit that one, though. No offense, but my cable management – because it's weird. You would think that I would have my cable management down. It's very important to me, but it also feels like a lost cause to me. Well, you have a lot going on there.

You're the technical times of this entire show.

I mean, I always just wanted to live long enough to have everything be cable-less and cordless, including powering things. It's the bane of my existence. But you'd think I'd be more careful with it then, but I just give up. It's like the world. It just becomes too much, and I just give up.

Uh-huh. Right, exactly. Well, that's why you should be donating to important causes, Andrew, and researching places that aren't Uline to get your stuff. You know, I'm also getting pretty close on that. And I don't want to listen. i don't want to throw around the term hero but me giving up amazon with considering where i live and how there's nothing around here like there's nothing close by and you know it's it really involves me like making more trips into town or me like really just being very uh organized about when i'm down in portland proper for stuff that i need and yet i do think it would actually be really good for me i mean not just because it would be a very tiny pushback on jeff bezos but because i do think it would change my consumerism i was saying this the other day like i just think i don't need to buy i i have everything that i need in this house right now and if i really need something i can go get it or i can wait a week and pick it up when i'm in portland you know like i have i do definitely have an addiction to this frictionless kind of uh purchasing experience of amazon where if i think about it i can have it on its way to me in in absolutely no time and I can figure out my life in a different way and consume less. Half of the stuff that I get, I probably don't need, but I get it because it's so convenient, and the price is suppressed and all the bad things.

It'll be an adventure, certainly. Also, Amazon Prime for me is also where a lot of shows and stuff I like. Where else am I going to see Reacher? But no, like Patriot is on there. I know that there are workarounds for all of this stuff. I'm watching

so in fact maybe this will it's how i watched uh anora the other night i mean i had to rent it but it's like i had prime is one of the places where you can rent movies yeah yeah um but you know i

don't have apple tv but i've been watching severance which i don't know if you want to talk about that too because it sounds like you and i are in very similar places with that having

both caught up with the show recently that's my okay that's my connection to this cyborg font i feel like you love this cyborg like this cyborg font is filling a hole in your heart that severance started out filling and has now gone so far afield from yeah yeah kind of very cool design i don't know if i'm using aesthetic correctly but like the vibe of of severance was so immaculate when it started as far as that just you couldn't put in a particular place in time in history it's kind of 80s but but but just it was just like the the set design was so spectacular and as you've said very eloquently on the show the way that the show was just subtle and and and was really like took its time with things um it was just so great and i last night finally watched the most recent episode and i actually blue skied and then unblue skied like three different versions Of me just saying severance is bad Like literally at some point I ended up on severance is bad And then I deleted it because I was like I don't think that's really I don't think that's helping the world And maybe I'll wait until TBTL I just look like a crank, whatever Like if I was happening upon somebody's Blue Sky account And their latest Blue Sky post was Severance is bad I'd be like okay Actually I would agree with them But like the episode I couldn't even spoil it if I wanted to Andrew Because I have no earthly idea what's going on and i defy anyone to explain coherently what's happening on that show right

now see i don't think i have the same i don't have exactly the same issue as that like i feel like i could have an intelligent conversation i mean not everything is spelled out yet so there are still some mysteries in fact i would say the only thing that is sort of going for it is that it is like it's feeding us bits of information and and bringing things a little bit more into focus but still withholding a little bit like if you're only in it for the plot and i know we have listeners who love this show and so like i really don't including my brother yes although it sounds like he's got some issues with it as well our friend anna who i see every sunday like i know that she's really loving it and it's like it kind of pains me to go on this podcast and be like oh it's bad like you know what i mean because if people are liking it you're liking it here's why it's not for me like i if you want to have a conversation about the plot we could throw some spoilers out there and actually talk about that i feel like the plot i'm still in it because i want to see where it goes and i think they are bringing some things together and we're hoping that they'll explain some other things with time for me it is like you alluded to as we got into this it's completely stylistic like this was a show that was so pristine and again i use the word withholding in a good way and and it created its own universe and now they're literally like doing brain surgery where they're doing close-ups of the hole in the person's head like yeah what what medical tv shit is this and again i'm not even saying that like that doesn't have a place like if severance started season one with this style i'm going to use the word filmmaking because i don't know what other word to use when you're talking about like a series but like for me i was into it for the filmmaking as well as the plot and now it's like well i'm still kind of interested in the plot but the filmmaking is just like basic af like are you zooming through somebody's brain like remember this it's like literally the same type of thing that they did in brain candy with the kids in the hall like zoom zoom zoom remember this zoom zoom zoom and then again i don't know how spoily we want to get but it's getting really tropey like the day you didn't say a proper goodbye was the day something happened like really like really and even some of the romantic scenes and like i'm not saying it's bad television it's just like standard television and it's going in for all the tropes that other shows go in for and it's not the worst of the worst but it's nothing it's absolutely nothing like what brought me into

the universe can i ask you one question yeah is a spoiler should we just just say be careful if you care about this yeah if you care about this is the official this is the official spoiler hear you hear half of that bell yes okay so this is going to be a bit of a spoiler but here's here's something that i don't understand fundamentally okay uh his uh we we start the the entire thing starts with like you know episode one of season one i believe maybe maybe we find out in episode two but the whole premise is adam scott's character has lost his wife in real life on the outside and he is devastated by it right and part of presumably part of why he's agreed to be severed is because he needs a break from his grief am i

does that more or less correct yeah it seems like in fact you said something on the show the other day that it's really lived in my head, which was you said, boy, I could see how this technology would be appealing because you can turn off your brain for work, whereas I actually think the way the show depicts it is opposite of that. You're stuck at work. You turn off your brain for life. It seems like people who are going through some sort of trauma often are the ones who are attracted to, oh, I can have a job where I can just literally turn off my brain for eight hours and not know where those eight hours go.

Right. It's presumably great if you're the Audi and presumably terrible if you're the innie because the audi never has to go to work and the innie never gets to not be exactly yeah but so okay so that's where we start off it's like he's very he's sad because he's he's lost his wife and then uh and then we we but then we find out that there is somebody uh who's an innie who is his wife uh but he doesn't know initially that that's his wife because he's you know been severed so his innie doesn't understand yeah and she doesn't know either But the thing is, what I don't understand is, like, the innie and the outie, they're not different corporeal forms. So, in other words, she's not really dead on the outside. She's hiding from him. Her outie is hiding somewhere because her outie then goes and lives in there, too, right?

Yeah, so her outie does not get to live, let's just say, above ground or outside of their facility. So she's only an innie now. But she is being, and I wasn't sure about this early on. And I was like, I'll bet you she's never turned off, if that makes sense. I'll bet you the I thought she was in the 24 seven. But what we learned in this latest episode is she's not just in the 24 seven. She is that switch is being turned off, but she's never allowed to leave. So even when she's a quote unquote Audi, she's still inside the complex and she's not allowed to leave it, even though. And again, this is full spoiler territory. She she tries to leave. And I would also say the interesting thing that I think we learned. And again, that's why I will say, like, I'm still with this show. I will still probably watch it as long as they're making them because I am interested in the plot. I think what we just learned in this last episode is she's a whole bunch of innies. Like, this is the first time where we've seen her. She has an innie who only has the Christmas experience in that room. And then she comes out and it turns off and then she goes into a different room. And so then she has to have a dentist appointment that she doesn't like. And she leaves that room and she has all these different experiences. but those different innies don't remember those experiences so for example um once she goes to the dentist she was like i was just here right exactly she like the the innie who's in the dentist chair does not have any of the memories that the innie who is being kind of emotionally abused at christmas time has so it's kind of interesting you're now seeing they're they're they're learning how to like turn on and off people's brains and actually turn them into a whole bunch of different innies which i mean it's pretty it's pretty scary to start watching this

with you and Genevieve. I'm sort of watching it here by myself, blue-skying away about how it's bad, because that actually, okay, that's interesting. See, this is, here's the problem, Andrew, is that I am not good with any sort of plot that is not The Sopranos, that is not, hey, Tony wants to kill that guy. Is he going to kill that guy? Like, you know what I did right after?

Tony's innie, I think, was going to kill Silvio's Audi, which was really weird, and then you had the talking fish.

but like i i just like i don't think i'd even put that together that that she there was in the the most recent episode there was so much thrown at us there was so much like a particularly of the mark character just being like in and then out and then in and out and like you said in the brain stuff and then like just the like ah you know it was so everything was sort of whiplashing around so much and she's his wife is going in all of these different you know tableaus or whatever if that's the vignettes or something it's like i didn't even put it together that that was i thought it was all just like some delusion or something i didn't realize that that's like oh she's they have her brain now segmented into a bunch of different things but it's just pretty creepy

like when you think about it like that is intriguing also can we let's just give a couple of put-ups here like miss wong is amazing she wasn't in the last um episode but you know miss Like that is an amazing character addition. to the show, anytime she's on the screen, the little girl I'm talking about, anytime I see her, I'm just like, she does such a good job, and Milchak, I think when Milchak is on the screen this season, it's really, really compelling

too. Yes, I mean I do, you know, I think the acting is good and everything I just, I am a very, I'm a simple person, as the listeners have realized, and I just, anytime it gets, what I felt like last night was I was watching, like some David Lynch shit like which again i think this is even just you explaining as much of it as you did makes it a little more kind of coherent it's less artsy it's less art for art's sake or whatever but it felt like i was watching something that was just it's just a i don't know just a a whole bunch of imagery that i wasn't really following and then i turned around and watched white lotus afterwards and it

was just beautiful well that's the thing about white lotus is i was a soap opera as you said

the other day that's lived in my head by the way i never thought of it as a soap opera and now i'm

like watching it and i'm like i love soap operas it's it's all about expectations right because that's the thing like even if severance started this year and it was this style of filmmaking i don't know that i would hate it and i don't hate it but i just feel like they just set me up that i just loved the first season so much and it was so unique that and then lose kind of kind of losing the thread on that style of filmmaking really kind of bothers me but it's funny because i think the first season of white lotus i took more seriously the second season of white lotus i liked but then thought the ending was so such over the top soap opera weirdness that i came into season three and i'm only like one episode in but i came into season three of the white lotus as like oh this is a soap opera now like i can release desire on it being anything other than that it's going to be arch it's we always know that there's some sort of there's some sort of violence or death that happens that is teased at the beginning it's always going to be that format it's always going to sort of feel like a combination of like the eeriness but also the the nice feeling of showing up to vacation in a beautiful place on the first day like it gets in your bones and like once i'm like oh this is just a soap opera i can't compare the white lotus to severance because they just set

different expectations for me now well and and again to watch them back to back yeah and and And one of them is, you know, really, really pushing the edges of, and it's, you know, it's, I guess, I guess it wouldn't call, is it sci-fi?

I would say brain technology. Yeah.

You know, and one of them is like, I have no flipping idea what's going on. And then the other one is just like, ooh, I wonder what's going on with Walt, Walt Goggins' character.

Yeah, right. Yeah, I gotta get back into that.

Why has he gotta get to Bangkok?

Uh-huh. What's he, what's he got going on over there? He's trying to find the owner of the hotel, right?

Yeah.

Yeah. Well, yeah. The husband. Yeah. Can I just say one more thing about severance? And this is I gave two put ups. I just want to give one more put down. This is something that really drives me bananas in this kind of storytelling, which is when a character doesn't just say what would just say a couple of sentences that would solve so much miscommunication. And I'm thinking of the Ragabi character, the woman who's the scientist. I don't know if she's actually a doctor, but she's the scientist who's mucking around in Mark's brain. Right. And then Mark's sister shows up and she's like, what's going on here? Why wouldn't Ragabi just say, here's the deal? Yeah, exactly. But she refuses to say, here's the deal. Instead, she just doesn't give her sister any information. Of course, Mark's sister, any information. of course any sibling who sees their sibling and best friend in distress like that deserves an explanation of why there's a hole in his head and she's not going to say hey listen this is what the deal is Mark and I have been working together for a while I'm a good guy she's just like going to give no information to the sister and then when the sister tries to like kind of take control over her brother she storms out and says fine I'm not a part of this anymore yeah like how about you use your words

yeah in like rom-coms I always call that like a fake up which is like a fake breakup like the we have to have a moment where the two you know the romantic leads break or like go their separate ways and it's always it seems like it's often over something that would be very easily cleared up yeah if somebody just said oh no no that's what that's not what was happening it was this other thing and then yeah but you need it for the like the plot so that's why now it's like you know she's uh the sister is you know is has not kicked her out because then she like leaves right she basically says ragabi says ragabi's like i'm not gonna yeah but yeah that's a good point um well you know andrew actually i think you've got me i think you've i think you've as was your desire i think you've reeled me back in i'll probably i'm also paying for this apple

tv unlike you i don't steal content and dylan's wife that's a nice i don't think that played a part in this last one but dylan's wife who makes the oh yeah not conjugal visits but like the visits to his anyway that's really that's been really i think that actor i don't know her name but i know that she's been in other things and people love her but genevieve knows her but um she just kind of mentioned that but uh as she

She's seeing that kind of relationship develop. So there are moments that I'm really into, but I'm with you. This last episode was by far the worst, and it did make me think, like, am I going to stick with this? Because they need to clean some things up.

I think that is her name, Jen Tullock.

That rings a bell. I don't think that I know her from anything else, though. You're saying it rings a bell? I say that phrase so much. You better keep that bell on standby. We have an update. No, Jen Tulloch is the sister.

Oh, sorry. We have an update, by the way, on the bell situation. In case you somehow didn't listen to yesterday's episode, but are listening to this episode, I'm not sure who that demo is. But yesterday, Andrew, you brought us the story of this replica of the Liberty Bell that was over at Evergreen Washele Cemetery nearby where you live. and the the story that somebody had cut the locks at the like kind of you know maintenance physical plant whatever you want to call it shop where this thing was was kept and and stole it and that this was actually worth like about a hundred thousand dollars they think there aren't that many of them out there and that it was probably or at least maybe going to be scrapped because that amount of brass is about $3,000 on the open market right now, and that it had been seen on a trailer covered with a blue tarp, but by the time the police checked it out, that trailer with the blue tarp was gone, and so we were both kind of lamenting this yesterday, saying what a bummer story, really, and then not long after we got off the air, you sent me an update. What's the latest?

Yeah, apparently, ladies and gentlemen, the bell has been found.

Thank you.

I was hoping we were on the same page there. I didn't know how to communicate to you, but we really needed the bell there. We don't have a lot of details about who took the bell or why they took it. All we know is, and I kind of like this dazzling detail, it was a parking enforcement officer who found it. I'm guessing based on the tip from the tipster. God, I love saying tipster. We've got to do more stories where we talk about tipsters. But the tipster had said, I saw this bell. It was, you know, amongst a bunch of construction debris on a trailer next to or like somewhat hidden by a blue tarp. So I wonder if this parking enforcement officer, when he went out to make his rounds that day, had read the story and thought, maybe I'll keep an eye out for a trailer with a blue tarp. And he did. And I don't that's all, you know, assumption on my part. Maybe he just sort of saw something that looks suspicious. But on duty, I believe, over a little—I really wanted to blame my friend for this because she lives on 82nd Street, and this was on 83rd. Oh, do you have a cross street? Well, I know that it's Northeast 83rd. So Northeast means it's on the other side of the highway. We're talking like kind of the—probably the Roosevelt or Ravenna area where I used to live. That's why I had to get out of there. Too many people were bringing bells there. Yeah. So that's kind of a small little chopped up road, Northeast 83rd. I was Google mapping it yesterday, so I don't have the cross street, but it was sort of in that area.

Is it over by Blanchett High School then?

No, that would still be west of the highway. This is east of the highway. This is more like Roosevelt. This would be more like kind of where that Safeway is that you talk about you used to go to and that my Safeway is. That's 75th. Oh, okay. By the Rez? Yeah, by the Rez. The Rez is literally, I believe, Northeast 83rd and Roosevelt. So it could have been literally on Roosevelt, but yeah, that's the exact area.

This is the most I've ever liked a parking enforcement person. I was going to say, a hero, a modern hero. I've got to give him his credit. Michael Eaton, officer Michael Eaton. I also really hope that he isn't the parking officer that I really reamed out 20 years ago once in the U District. Because that person looked not dissimilar to this guy. They both had gray hair. Although, that was 25 years ago. So that'd be a long time on the job for Michael Eaton. Now, Eagle-Eyed Eaton, Eagle as they call him now around the shop. Now, let's get to the crime fighting of this, the crime solving of this. I feel like this should be, well, first of all, do you think I'm the only one who thinks this is a high law enforcement priority? Because I guess it's been returned now. so it's like well but it was a hundred thousand the value was a hundred thousand dollars if you stole a one hundred thousand dollar car out of someone's garage i think it would be a big deal and i feel like with all of the cameras that that are mounted everywhere now and also with this trailer presumably having a tag on it or a license plate Thank you. Maybe it doesn't. But, like, it seems like you could figure out who was hauling this trailer around with this junk in it. And also, I was thinking the other day, why didn't the maintenance shop at Evergreen Wash Shelley have, like, a blink camera on it? Like, you probably have a lot of expensive tools and vehicles.

Yeah, why don't they have any kind of a little security? Everybody has security cameras these days, or almost everybody. Yeah. We don't. Don't steal our bells. But, you know, almost everybody has those. Just homeowners have them. Why would you, if you're running a place that has such a big footprint in the city, you'd think there'd be cameras all over the place. One interesting thing, I want to talk to you about the priority of this and the price of this thing and respond to what you said in a second in a way that I don't think you're going to appreciate. But get your get your hackles up now and raise them more later. But I was going to say that I was digging around the Seattle subreddit about this a little bit. And a local homeowner near, like very near the cemetery said, and you know, this is, I can't verify any of this, although I don't know exactly why they'd lie. Somebody said, you know, I live near the cemetery and I heard about this theft. So I went back and I checked my ring camera or whatever it was that sort of points in that direction. And they said what time this happened. So I was able to like kind of go back and look and use the timestamp and look what I found. And there's a very blurry photo of a white pickup truck pulling a trailer that it looks like they actually did catch a blurry image of this truck driving away. Not any license plate or anything, but I thought that was kind of interesting.

Well, that's the thing. Okay, the nature of my question is how many resources or how much sort of person hours does the Seattle Police Department want to throw at this? Because if they wanted to, they could solve this crime. because it would just mean they got to go knock on a lot of doors they got to figure out what was the route of this thing and then go around and talk to all of the businesses where there are those security cameras and peace there's also license plate readers that are out in various places like in other words if this if this person had abducted a child or if there was a you know a dead body in the truck or something they would they could very quickly figure out the route of this truck they could piece they could piece together a bunch of different camera angles and stoplight cameras, and they could totally figure this out. Do they want to do that kind of shoe leather work? I don't know. But it'll be curious to see. Again, I think this is solvable if they want to throw the hours at it.

Yeah, and I don't even know if I have an opinion on this, but this is my thought process on it. I already don't like it. It was worth $100,000. Get those hackles up, everybody. Hackles up. You mentioned the value of this. So here's the deal. It's a property crime, right? And, like, Genevieve's friend and boss, not two people, one in the same, friend first, boss second, had his car stolen somewhat recently, by the way, stolen from, like, his neighborhood, which is nicer, found in our neighborhood. You'll be shocked to hear it. It's always like that. I told you they shut down a chop shop literally two blocks from us the other day. And it was, by the way, a house. It was near – it was a house in our neighborhood. But anyway, so that's that's how I'm living, Jay Piven. But to say that, OK, so this thing has been found and now supposedly or let's presumably it's been returned. OK, so then you have this thing of like, well, it was worth so much money, though. Should they track this person down? It's kind of like, well, what if I heard the police when when Genevieve's friend called in and boss called this in? They're like, well, he had a tracker in his car. He had one of those square trackers or whatever you call it. And so he knew where it was in front of an air tracker. But they're like, yeah, well, you can go there and keep an eye out for it. And if you see the car, give us a call. But we're not going to just get a warrant and stake out this place. It's like, OK, you know, we can talk about police and their priorities and what they should be doing, what they shouldn't be doing. But let's just accept it at face value that the police don't have the resources to track down every single stolen car or stolen bike. And then you start saying, well, if you have more value to it, but you're like, yeah, but does that mean that you're going to prioritize getting some rich person's like stolen Cybertruck back versus my shitty $2,000 like Toyota Tercel or whatever? I don't think. Right. I wonder they don't make Tercels anymore. Could you get a Tercel that is up to $2,000? I paid $200 for my 19—what was it, a 95 Tercel I used to drive? So I don't know. You get into kind of a weird area where it's kind of like, well, the valuables have been returned. Do we prioritize this more because it's worth more money than some poor person who had their car stolen? They can't get to work anymore, but the car was cheap, so we don't care.

Yeah, I guess that's a good point. You're just saying that to send, to put your best people on the case of the Liberty Bell, which is going to go back to Evergreen Wachelle, means one, a person or maybe a certain number of people who. need the police and don't have the resources are going to be even less well-serviced by the Seattle Police Department.

And they're very busy dressing up like prostitutes. And then this was another sting recently. They love doing this.

In the words of Michael Barbaro, oh, wow.

That solves so many of society's problems, doesn't it? When the cops are using their... Oh, wow. They're constantly talking about how they don't have enough resources, but they do like a six-month sting where they dress people up like prostitutes to arrest John.

So they take Seattle police officers and have them go out undercover as prostitutes on Aurora so as to get the – well, let me put it this way. I'd rather they're arresting the customers than the women who are simply trying to survive. You know what I mean?

I don't want them arresting the women, certainly, most certainly, and I'm definitely on board with you there. But it just – it's like it's a little galling. I just don't think that I do think there's a problem with actual not like not not coded, but actual aspects of human trafficking that goes on along with this kind of sex work that we're seeing. And it's also tied up in addiction and people who have lost like agency in their lives and are just and being taken advantage of, to say the least. That's the most mild way you could put it. So I do think I'm not trying to just make it sound like, hey, these are all just like all consenting adults doing their own thing. Let's leave him alone. It's way, way, way more complicated than that. But when the police union and the police officers are constantly talking about not having like a lot of resources, I don't think that it solves the major issues of Seattle by doing these stings that arrest. And again, I'm going to guess usually poorer, usually browner men in North Seattle who are seeking out these these, you know, sex workers, you know. And I don't know what the nature of what the nature of these Johns are to use that parlance, but it just sort of it just sort of seems like what they want to do. And it sort of seems like it flies in the face of what they tell us.

Yeah, it did end effectively the career of Mitch in the morning.

Sort of. Of course, Mitch has a podcast now that the same guy whose car was stolen and is a friend of ours and Genevieve's boss. same person huge fan of that podcast he says it's really good and he's been around for years now and the first episode mitch like really lays it out and tells his experience and he says it's some of the most compelling related like not relatable but you know like he had a i mean i i was a fan

of that radio show i thought he was a very good broadcaster and i mean that's one of those well whatever what am i i don't know how i'm finding myself in the position of like litigating mitch levy's life decisions or something but i will say that i don't know i don't want to grade these things or i don't want to rank these things it sounded like the thing he was involved with was how do i put this andrew was it robert craftian it my sense of it was it was in a fairly upscale apartment complex on the east side okay where again i don't know i'm making so many assumptions

But it doesn't sound like somebody was being majorly taken advantage of in a certain way because there is some sex work that is not – where the people who are providing the sex work are not victims. I mean that does exist.

Well, in this case, there was literally no victim because it was a sting.

Oh, right. Well, that's the other thing too. It's a full entrapment. Right. That's the thing that bothers me the most too is like you are not arresting these guys for doing anything illegal because they didn't do anything illegal because they didn't hire a prostitute. They approached a cop. But I guess that gets into some legal areas that I shouldn't speak on.

But this was like a, it was, you know, I don't know, again, I don't know why I'm ranking the kind of human impact of these different ways that people are living their life. But to me, being somebody who's out on Aurora in cold weather, wearing almost no clothing to where any random person could have you get in their car seems like a really, really tough, tough spot to be in in your life. Yeah. And then I think there are people who are sex workers who are their own bosses and who make their own choices and have upscale hotel rooms and apartments and whatever else and have chosen this as their lifestyle, which I think should be their choice. I kind of feel like there's a sort of a range of it. And the Levy thing, again, along with not even being a real person, was like more on the it would seem a person with agency end of the spectrum, if that makes any sense.

That's the way it was presented. Yeah, and I don't know enough about this world, believe it or not, to speak intelligently about it. But my assumption is that somewhere in this world, there are people with agency who are doing this sex work and making money off of it, and they're not necessarily being taken advantage of. Maybe somebody would say that that simply cannot be the case. I believe it could be the case. I think it absolutely could be. I have no moral objection to that. Yeah. Yeah. No, I mean, okay. This is such a, we, we, we, we've need to move on with our lives. It's a story about a bell. Got us here somehow. Maybe this is the bell I have to ring when I'm going so far off topic. I need to get back on topic. I was reading an article, I think it might've been in my local paper, The Columbian, about, again, this is such a fraught world and a world that I really don't want to i don't want to find myself on the wrong side of it with the listeners or like i'm defending any kind of behavior or minimizing any sort of a thing but there is a very strange because police agencies seem to really like spending their time and resources in trapping people who are doing who have the inclination towards meeting someone who's underage or doing something that we would all agree is is illegal and a bad idea what are you doing here this exactly the chris hansen the vacation it's like there was this article that basically it was it was there are there are people who and this is has to do with the way the laws are written in the state of Washington let's say that you're uh you're somebody and by the way a lot of time it is is not infrequent that the the local police department will set up some kind of a fake account on like some website somewhere and they will start chatting with someone and then they will tell this person that they are underage and this person will agree to meet them regardless. And then the person shows up and they get arrested. This seems to be one of the number one thing that law enforcement likes to spend its time doing now. Thing is, first of all, a good number of the people who show up are themselves neurodivergent in one way or another. Maybe, you know, there are questions around like if they're even sort of competent to make these kinds of decisions themselves. And then the The penalty for this is often more stringent. There's more jail time associated with it, and the registering as a sex offender is more robust than if you had actually abused a human being, if you can believe this. There are people that are in the home environment and commit crimes against actual human underage people, and because of the way the code is written in Washington, there are times where those people are doing much less time than someone who answered a Craigslist ad and showed up at a house that was being run by local law enforcement where there was never a human being who was in danger.

And it is obviously life-ruining for these folks. Now listen, you shouldn't go online to meet someone who's not of the age of consent. I'm not trying to defend that behavior.

And if it's somebody who's exhibited this behavior in the past and you're now catching this person because you have proof that they're out there hurting other people, and this is the way to get them to stop, to get them off the proverbial streets. I would understand that.

But there is, in this article that I was reading, there are a lot of cases where this is literally the first time the person has ever had an interaction with law enforcement. They might be younger. They are somebody who maybe has difficulty in social situations, some of them self-identified as being on the spectrum, things like that, where this is, you know, obviously a terrible idea and that it shouldn't be free of punishment. But there was something about the idea that when there's not ever an actual victim who is in harm's way, then that person who did this thing would be looking at a longer prison sentence than somebody who had harmed an actual alive human being. I just, that just struck me as kind of out of whack. Is this your next CBS piece? Have you pitched this? I have, and it involves Kieran Culkin.

That's slander.

How are you going to summarize this important conversation we're having in the show description today, Andrew? I don't know. Who goes to bat for people trying to meet the underaged?

That's an interesting question. We've never had this conversation. Do you ever go and look at the summary? because I usually try to keep it two or three sentences tops do you ever look at the summary of the show and say it's funny that he led with that or that he emphasized that aspect of our conversations I do

not usually do that but I can tell you that it is Becca does that this is where I'm at in that relationship

so do I have to de-emphasize certain things Luke met someone special at the state fair

Luke says it's time we relax the laws on and people who meet underage folks online. No, but what she said to me the other day was, she was like, I don't listen to the show, but I do read the description just to kind of see what you're up to. I was like, that's the phase we're in. I get it, I get it. There's a certain, there's a sort of a duration of time of being with me where you no longer need to listen to TBTL. You no longer need to get that much Luke in your life. Can we just do something quickly? We should wrap this up, and maybe we can just make this the last segment. But here's what I want to do. I want to scroll back and look at some of these descriptions. I'm not going to read the whole thing. I'm only going to read the parts that relate to you and how they could be a window into your life or not. So let's just go back to Monday, the 17th of February. Okay. Adelaide's birthday. Oh, there you go. Luke found himself in an unexpected broadcast on his frantic trip to Heathrow Airport. so that's a little that doesn't paint you in a bad light uh and i'm sure that uh becca probably knew that story uh luke got quite the scare during yesterday's tbtl recording but he learned a valuable lesson do you remember what that was about i have no idea that was about you checking your uh my chart oh yeah yeah yeah i can see if somebody loved you maybe being like hey what's I can imagine if somebody loved you. If somebody loves me. What happened here?

Let's see, Luke. I did not get a call about that show description, so clearly somebody does not love me.

Does not love you. Let's see, Luke and Andrew also invest, this is a different episode, of course, also investigate new and old claims regarding NBA players pooping their pants on the court. I think you're okay there. Yes. Let's see here. What else were you up to? You filled out a survey yesterday to remind himself why he never fills out surveys. Yes. Okay.

Yeah, that was the, what was the, was that your health care as well?

Do I need to punch these up a little bit?

No, that was, no, you know what, that was, I went to the bank and I had a pleasant interaction. And I was trying to throw that person a 10 out of 10 to help them with whatever their, you know, deliverables are. And then I found that the actual survey was really long. And then you talked about how the Mariners were trying to trick you into saying you feel unsafe at the stadium so that they could clear out some unhoused folks.

Exactly. Good takeaway. I forgot about that. Luke and Andrew do some sleuthing to figure out why Luke suddenly has to take an FCC mandated training course about the emergency broadcast system. They're turning up the heat on me on that, by the way. Are they? But I thought you don't have the login. Or is this one of those things where you say you don't have the login, but you actually do?

Dude, Andrew. What? It's 11.31 a.m. Today? Today, while we were doing the show, Paramount Global Compliance e-training. Legally required compliance training. Action required.

Oh, man. But you literally don't think that you're an employee who has the ability to log in, or you just never set it up, some portal thing, because you don't do that?

No, no, no, no. I have to, because I have to do my expenses, and I have to look at video. Okay, so you can get in.

I thought you said that you don't have the access to e-takes.

No, no, no. I'm saying I have access to some of this. I have set up what I'm allowed to set up. I don't have... Actually, maybe, you know what? This new one might have given me the keys to the kingdom. I've got an employee ID here and a password that's in the email, which, by the way, that seems like bad cybersecurity. They sent me my employee ID, and right below it is the email. Excuse me, is the password.

What if this whole thing is, like, the most aggressive internal, like, phishing trap ever?

Right, because the whole thing is, part of that is to see if people... Yeah. Oh, wow. We used to get those at APM. I'm not doing it for cybersecurity's sake.

I don't think you used to get these because you didn't check your APM email, but they used to send out APM to its own employees. The IT department would send out fake phishing emails.

This is the beginning of a social engineering attack. If you clicked on it, they'd be like, oh, naughty you. Oh, wow. Do you think Viacom-console.lrn.com slash login? Does that sound like a Nigerian scam?

I don't know. That sounds legit. I got to say, if somebody loved me, I would be concerned about this. Andrew feels guilty over something he did at a pizza shop this weekend. That came off a little harsher than maybe. Anyway, you hooked up your new record player You're in good shape, you're fine

Yeah, I mean, allegedly At least according to those At least according to those show descriptions Well, we're glad, all that is to say We're glad the Liberty Bell Is back at Evergreen Wash Shelly We are Or soon will be And I hope they break it out this year I hope they, you know, for 4th of July Or whatever the thing is, whatever the idea of that thing is Or why they had it I hope that, you know, you don't know what you got until it's gone

exactly and you know it did answer remember I started this story yesterday by saying I saw that bell in Wachelle as I would walk through the cemetery to get a breath of fresh air and I always wondered I wondered so much that I placed a call to find out what the hell was going on with that bell nobody returned my phone call but now I have the answers it's used for ceremonies like Memorial Day

and actually that's another thing I hadn't even thought about you're no longer

longer the prime suspect it's been returned i mean you might be the prime suspect yeah there's still a suspect out there is this what you don't want them oh my god andrew this is why you're trying to talk the seattle police out of investigating this whole thing can i be totally

honest with you it wasn't a bell it was a cop dressed up like a bell and i there was no real threat to do you realize andrew you could do more time trying to steal a bell a person a fake bell You're dressed up like a bell. It is tax season, so you've got a lot of people who are dressed up like Statues of Liberty or whatever out there. So you've got to be careful before you steal a statue.

That's going to do it for today's show. Thank you, everyone. We will be back here tomorrow with a more imaginary radio for you. In the meantime, have a great Tuesday. Take care of yourselves, and please remember, no mountain too tall. And good luck to all.

Power out.