Muse

Do you live in a hole, or boat?

Neither.

Okay, I didn't get that. I think you chose boat, is that right?

No.

Okay, let's move on. Is your boat a C-classed, licensed boat, or is your boat used for commercial fishing? Okay, I think you've chosen commercial fishing. Now, I'm going to need your boat's name.

What is going on here?

Okay, I think you've said, Target. Is this correct?

What? No.

Just to make sure I've gotten all the information correct, I'm going to need you to confirm a few more things. I need some help, please. Your name is Eric Targus. Is this correct? Okay, I'll go ahead and make that change. Great, I've made the change. Your wife's new legal name is Targus. Targus. Is this okay?

No.

Great.

TBTL! two things first fyi i found out it's free sausage night tonight at the waffle place all you can eat secondly and more important how do you feel it went out there oh my god

that is still good meat on that fish kid am i lying no oh my god this is crazy i'm hip i surf

the web. I text LOL. Laugh out loud. OMG. Oh my God. WTF. Why the face? Mark, if they do good, but I don't need tea, but they do bad. Cancel it.

All right. Hello. Good morning and welcome everyone to a Thursday edition of TBTL, the show that just might be too beautiful to live. It is our turn. My name is Luke Burbank. I am your host. I'll do it until it stops. Will you please stop? Coming to you from the Madrona Hills studio perched high above, the mighty Columbia where...

Oh, ma, pa, it's just beautiful.

Gorgeous Thursday here in the Pacific Northwest, and we are all ready to go with episode 4,417 in a collector series.

Let the fun begin.

Adrian Brody's been having a weird week. He apparently made the mistake of winning his second Academy Award. And then seeming very, I guess, maybe proud of himself about it. And now everybody's roasting Adrian Brody. Boom. Roasted. Not the typical way the week goes if you are somebody who won an Academy Award. But that's what's happening for him. We'll talk about that. Also, it's a Thursday, a.k.a. Blur's Day.

It's my birthday today.

We'll do the Blur's Day messages. And we will talk to this guy, longest-running co-bro of the show, maybe best known for his depictions of the tall ships. I consider him a best friend of sorts. I'm his best friend, also co-boss. He's Andrew Walsh, and he's joining me right now. Good morning, my best friend.

Good morning, co-boss. You know, that drop, I'm his best friend and co-boss, it makes me laugh. I remember pulling it from an early episode of The Detroiters, or I pulled it a long time ago. I don't remember how it ended up in your hands. But the thing is, I still don't understand what it means. I don't understand what it means in the context of the show, and I don't know what it means as a drop. I'm his best friend, also co-boss. How can you be somebody's co-boss?

He's saying that, what's the name of the advertising? Cramlin' Duvet?

It's not Duvet, but you're so close. You're closer than I would have gotten. Let's go with that.

It's not Cramlin' Duvet?

Maybe it is Cramlin' Duvet. My apologies. You tell him what's up, Doc.

Yeah.

Thanks. That'll mean a lot. Well, actually, the thing about that drop that I'm remembering is I grabbed it from the from the same episode that I grabbed another Detroiters drop that I maybe never even used before because it's another thing that sounds funny but I don't know what it means and I am can you tell that I'm struggling to find it here I found it and we're going to play it love it that co-boss drop I believe comes from the same episode that this drop comes from another thing that makes

me laugh although I don't know what it means I mean I think hammers did more for Home Depot than

home depot did for hammers right i don't know and i pulled it and i thought someday i'll use it and it took about i don't know eight years and here we are using it as a conversation piece to set the tone of the show well i've got a new favorite piece of time you do it until it stops will you

please stop i watched that commercial like i watched that commercial like a hundred times

this morning i can't get over it i know i gotta say when we were talking about it on the show yesterday and of course i had talked about it and after these messages i was kind of like oh this was a huge viral thing back in 2013 we're sort of late to the game but i also felt relieved that because i don't know if you're like me luke i actually think you're exactly like me you and i a lot of people they they see us and they're like boy those guys they they're exactly the same yep

somebody did say that about us once and i was like uh-oh do you know what i'm talking about no actually i'll just tell this story i think it's okay to say when i was hired at kcrw you were friends with madeline brand and it's probably one of the reasons i was able to get that job is because of our connection and us working together and she respects you you guys work together so that's a pretty good reference i don't think you were actually a reference but Like, you know, there was that connection. And so then I wasn't sure if I wanted the job or not. They offered me the job. I took the job. I went down to L.A. and it was my very first day. And Madeline introduced me to somebody and she was beaming and she said, this is Andrew. He's just like Luke. And I was like, oh, this isn't going to go well. I am the do you think we're more alike or more different? Wow. This is going to get heavy on a Thursday morning. But are we more alike or different?

I think we're more different. I think we're very different. I think we have some shared, we have some overlaps, and we have the things that are critical for doing this show, for doing TBTL, about, like, what we think is interesting, like, the kind of tape we like to play.

Yes, radio, yes, radio sensibility, yes.

We're very, very aligned, like, I have, I can't think of a time when you've ever edited something, and I thought, oh, that's not how I would have cut that or whatever, like, so that's really good. We're totally aligned on that stuff.

Except for that one piece of Maria Bamford tape, which you thought I cut too early. He called me out on the show about that. The dance monkey one? Oh, yeah. I divided it up into two – anyway, go ahead. Generally speaking. The North Remembers.

But then personality-wise, I think we're very, very, very different, which is also good for the show because if we had the same personality, it would be kind of boring. We would be like the Nelk Boys or one of those podcasts that are much more popular than us, but that are just a bunch of guys in their haircut, they kind of look vaguely like some sort of a French dog. You know this very in-style haircut for kind of young men, men in their 20s, where it's just all kind of combed forward? I don't know if I do know, honestly. It's rough. I mean, it's one of the... It's rough for me, I guess. It's one of the signs that I just am totally not connected to what is popular anymore because there's a certain... You know, for kids between the age of probably... For, you know, boys between the ages, let's say, 15 and, like, 30, they're all—I don't even know what it's called. If I were to describe it as a Caesar cut, that would not actually do it justice. It's, like, just—and I don't know what the hairstyle is called, but it's just basically, like, everything is just kind of swooped forward.

Oh, is it usually with curly hair, though? Like, it's not that alpaca cut thing that—

Yeah, no, it's usually—yeah, you're right. It's usually generally more curly hair.

Oh, the kind of alpaca cut. Yeah, that's really cute. That's really cute. Oh, I think— You don't like it? it's not for me i guess it depends on who you see it on and who you're comparing it it sounds like you have a context for this that is related to things you don't like on tiktok maybe well what

did there's just a lot of these podcasts that are just like three or four bros sitting around with that hairstyle just full sending everything oh yeah man you just got a full send and like that's news to me are you familiar with full send no no i don't play around in these spaces Full send is just this idea of like really going for it. Like, yeah, that's a full send. And just like these guys that have no distinguishable personalities that I can tell. And they all seem like kind of a version of the same one. There's this one in particular that's called like the Nelk Boys. N-E-L-K. Yeah. And like Trump went on it. It's very. Oh, it was one of those. But yeah. And the good news for us is that we have different enough personalities that we will never be confused with the Nelk Boys. That's right.

I'm more of a nelk boy. You're more of a milk man. That's how we sort of separate ourselves out.

I'm more of a fresca man, Andrew. Do you know?

Oh, you're drinking a morning fresca? You're taking a page from my book? Two morning frescas? Look at you.

Wait and read the day. This is turning into a situation. Yes. I brought two frescas. I knew one fresca was not going to be enough.

I know.

And I was right. Promises made, promises kept. I'm into fresca number two.

Dude, I know I already said this on the show, But the worst thing Genevieve could have ever said to me is that Fresca isn't bad for you because I'm pushing the boundaries of that. Like, I'm like, oh, this is better for you than water. That's how I heard it. She's like, oh, yeah, it has zero calories. I'm like, oh, so it's better for you than water, which is not what she said and not scientifically sound. But I love it so much. It's so satisfying. And I think we've probably talked about this. It's going to it's a little bit. It's a little bit, you know, biological. that's the wrong word there it's a little gross but the fresca burp is wonderful if you're super thirsty like there's different times you're going to drink fresca sometimes you're going to sip it in the morning like a gentleman like you are yes sometimes though you're going to be like legitimately thirsty like and you're going to you would go to reach for water or maybe even gatorade and drink it down but then there's a can

of Fresca sitting there and you're like, well, maybe Fresca could do the trick here. And you pop it open and you drink the entire can almost in one gulp. And then you wait. And then when it comes, it's one of the best burps. If you had to rank burps, that's maybe my top burp.

I think the top burp is where we, is if you've been having like Asian food, like maybe Thai food. Thai, yeah. Thai probably. and you're drinking a beer or an A beer or whatever and you have that burp. Yeah. The beer with the like very flavorful Asian food thing, that's a, I put that in the top five.

You know what helps there is the type of beer that is usually served with that kind of food too, right? It's a very like kind of, it's a very like. Like a Tsingtao or an Asahi or a Kirin, one of those dry ones. Yes, and very sparkly and very kind of light tasting. Yeah, that's a good burp. I wish I could come up with a top five burps on the fly but i don't think i can do that while we're while we're talking but those are two good

contenders the thing about this fresca is it's they keep offering like these absolutely ridiculous deals on it at the store so i like i'm i'm like sitting i'm sitting i'm sitting on like 200 cans of fresca who deals it keeps being this thing where it's like buy one 18 pack get three free 18 packs i'm like i don't understand the business i don't understand the economics of this but i just keep getting them and uh i'm i'm you know i'm but a man i'm just one person here but i literally have probably i don't know 70 cans of fresca or something and i and you're right it's a great morning drink because it's sort of you know it kind of has a you know a citrus flavor to it a grapefruit flavor it kind of feels like you're having a little healthy morning juice yes Yes. But it is thirst quenching after I mowed the lawn the other day. Yeah. Oh, by the way, I blue skied you, me straightening out the lawnmower blade in the vice. I felt very, very masculine.

You know, you blue skied me. I thought it was a photo of just the lawn after you'd gotten done mowing it. Maybe I looked at it too quickly because I felt like it went back. Well, that was part of it.

But in order to get to the lawn, to the mowing of the lawn, I had to take off the blades and straighten them out. like I was some kind of a blacksmith and then put them back on the lawnmower and then tighten the whole thing back down.

And it totally worked. You know what's worth mentioning here, if you don't mind, is TBTL is on Blue Sky now, by the way. If you're somebody who wants to follow, because you and I are both on there as ourselves. I think I'm just straight up Walsh, Blue Sky. You're, I think, Luke Burbank, I think. But also thanks to the hard work of one John P. Sklaroff. I don't I don't I don't think it's P right but we'll go with it you just look for tbtl.net on on Blue Sky and in the whole show the show the combined efforts of the three business boys will be represented there on Blue Sky if you're looking for a new follow and there's is is it

actually a bot is there did somebody write a program that reposts tbtl on Blue Sky I think

that's something else that then John sometimes reposts but yeah there is a bot out there that I have some theories on who created it. But, yeah, so there are more ways than ever to get your TBTL on social media. Absolutely. In this fractured media landscape. Get it wherever you get your Nelk boys. Well, yes, exactly. I'll do it until it stops. Will you please stop? Why? He drops a why.

We was hoping for some razzle-dazzle. Razzle-dazzle. That's right, man, razzle-dazzle. On your mark. On your mark. Get set. Get set. Now ready. Ready. Go. Everybody rattle, dattle.

All right, let's thank some dazzling donors. These are the folks, until we get those Nelk Boy numbers, for the time being, the way that this show can exist is because of voluntary donations. This is 100% listener-supported. Our attempts to get sponsored by Fresca have so far been unsuccessful. What's the other thing we've been doing a bunch of What is the other thing I'm constantly doing free ads for Chipmunks John reached out to somebody right

Alvin or Simon No I think it was some other product

That I'm like obsessed with

What is it on Instagram I mean I recall you mentioning this But I don't actually know what you're talking about

Well the upshot is for now This is 100% listener supported Listeners like Derek Schlichter Of Kenmore Washington Thanks Derek Hey dummies Another year Another victory For the OGs Taking out the sweats The haters among us Ain't no imposters here They've all self-selected out Wow That's a good point I think we've probably We've weeded out anybody Who has not Ride or die With TBTL

That feels like a quote

So ain't no impostors here. They've all self-selected out. Is that just Derek freestyling?

Maybe, because that's not the extension of, let's see, another. I am there.

I'm not finding anything.

Another day, another victory for the OG. Taken down the sweats. The impostors among us. Oh, okay.

There are the impostors. He does say the impostors among us. Ain't no impostors among us. All right.

This is my third year struggling to come up with a new dazzling message, and I'm already out of material. Seriously, guys, how do you do it every day?

Did you hear the burp segment?

Have you heard the show where we were ranking burps?

Sorry to cut you off. See, we are in sync. We're going for the same thing.

This year has been tough for a lot of people in a number of ways, so my message to the 10s this year is what I'm focusing on myself, driving the change that I want to see in the world and all that, which is to stick together, to be a voice for the voiceless, to spend time in nature, to ask questions, to never stop learning, And don't pay attention to what others think of you and always follow the most interesting path. Lastly, and not to get too sappy, love is a condition in which the happiness of another person is essential to your own happiness. Stay sentimental and love your neighbor. Peace.

That's an interesting definition of love that I had not heard put that way before.

Happiness of another person is essential to your own happiness. That is a really interesting way to put it. And I do think, I think that's an important thing is that my sense is that true happiness and true fulfillment comes, uh, being really fulfilled comes from being good to other people. Like, and I am somebody who in my own life has followed many selfish roads and I've always thought, well, if I just have everything set up for me perfectly, then that's how I'm going to feel the happiest. And what I find is that when I'm actually being relatively of service to other people or the people I love, then I actually feel that's gives me the feeling that I think I'm going to get from sitting on my deck. and listening to my Sonos and staring at the river.

Yeah, this is not what Derek is saying, and I don't want to misinterpret. This is Derek's dime, as you like to say. This is Derek's message. So I don't, I'm not. Derek is a Kenmore dime. Presuming. I'm not presuming. It's Bellevue 6. I know, I was trying to think, what is the town that we can, anyway, but I remember being kind of young and growing up in the Catholic church, and maybe it was even like at Catholic school. I don't know if it was at Catholic school or in church or CCD or whatever it was, but being at a certain age where somebody said love is not a feeling, love is action, it's not a feeling. And it really blowing my mind at that point and being like, what? What does that mean? Because love doesn't even mean – and again, this is not what Derek is necessarily saying here, and I think there's a lot of ways to look at love. And there are a lot of different kinds of love. But whether – I always mispronounce it. I grew up calling it agape, but is it actually agape?

I grew up, listen, I grew up, we said agape love, but also I grew up thinking that the earth was 6,000 years old.

Right, right.

So I don't, I don't, I'm not going to trust anything that was going on at Gospel Outreach Christian Fellowship.

Are they ever going to adjust that number though? Like, like, is it ever going to be like 6,500 or something? Right. I mean, because we are progressing in time. I feel like we've been saying that a long time. But anyway, we, I feel like we as a podcast have been saying that the world is 6,000 years old for a long time now, but anyway I just remember that sort of blowing my mind, the idea of love not being, how you feel about somebody or how they feel about you back, but the actions you put into the world, no matter how you feel about the people that you may be helping

Absolutely. Derek, thanks for supporting the show, and thanks for the nice message today. Maestro?

On your mark! On your mark! Get set! Get set! Now ready! Ready! Go! Everybody

rattle, rattle! I missed my chance to take another swig of my fresca. Can you get through this? Do you need me to filibuster? I can swell the music.

Let's thank Kate Freed, who's in Milwaukee, Wisconsin. Hello, Kate. Thank you. Kate, I'm coming your way. In a couple of weeks, I'm going to be judging the World Mustard Competition in Middleton, Wisconsin.

You're going to use the drop, aren't you?

The Kendrick?

I was at the Eagles yesterday.

I only learned that that was mustard around the time of the Super Bowl.

Yeah, because it's DJ Mustard. Or a producer's name is Mustard, I think. But, yeah. But I was, it wasn't at the Eagles. Where was I? Maybe even at the gym, which is even more healthy than the Eagles. I saw on a TV recently that the volume was turned down on. I saw, like, the word mustard go across the screen. I'm like, okay, this is clearly a reference to this song. No, no, no. It was, like, dynamic text. Huge. It was, like, it was a commercial or something. Okay. And then I'm like, what is this? And then it was a Heinz Mustard commercial. And again, the TV was pretty far away from me, so I couldn't scan what was going on. But did Mustard, the producer, actually like pen?

a deal with Heinz to sell mustard? Like, that's kind of the dream if you're mustard, right? Yeah. I'm looking it up right now. Are you looking this up? It looks like you're busy

over there. Yeah. I am. Oh, you know how he's called mustard? His first name is Dijon.

Oh, really? No, I didn't know that. DJ and record producer

Mustard, a.k.a. Dijon

McFarlane, is collaborating

with Heinz to create a limited edition mustard and host events. God, if they could get him to the Mustard Championship in Middleton, Wisconsin. What a get. What a world. I need to figure out what I'm going to name my production persona that's aligned with a product that I want to do ads for. Maybe Fresca.

Fresca! DJ Fresca. Is that taken? Can I be MC Squirt?

No. DJ Fresca sounds kind of cool and MC Squirt sounds like

A sex crime?

Sounds like something you should talk to your doctor about. Kate says, the New York Times' Melissa Kirsch speaks for me. This is something I'm guessing was written in the New York Times as of 8-3 of 24. Okay. So this would have been back in, that's August? August of last year, yeah. Quote, this is, again, Melissa Kirsch in the New York Times. This is Kate Freed's Dazzling Donor Message. Quote, the shows I love aren't the ones where a host tease-up questions and a dutiful guest answers. They're the ones where they rank burps. Yes. They're the ones where you feel like you're eavesdropping on real people getting closer, closer to each other, or closer to a conversational destination that they didn't know they were headed for. Oh, wow. Wow. For instance, I didn't know today that I was going to be yelling Fresca! No. In fact, nobody knew we were going to be doing that.

Although, after chugging two cans of Fresca, that is a common side effect. I'm feeling a little loopy from that.

Is what makes a conversation interesting to take part in the same as what makes one interesting to listen to? My favorite conversations, the one in which I feel most connected, are sprawling, digressive, even repetitive. God, this is a full-throated defense of TBTL.

Is Melissa Kirsch listening? Is the New York Times Melissa Kirsch listening to TBTL? And if not, can we get her to listen?

I have never felt more validated. You powered through that burp? You millennied it?

I just millennied through that.

They go on for hours and often fail to reach a coherent conclusion. Okay, now that's hitting a little close to home. Wait, is this real? But they have a key ingredient in common with the podcast that I love. Presence. In the best conversations, everyone is listening closely. They're curious about each other. They're reacting authentically in the moment without a script or any agenda. They're allowing the conversation to happen without muscling it toward any predetermined outcome, end quote. And then Kate says, carry on TBTL. That's amazing. Thank you so much for sharing that with us, Kate. I've never seen that before, this description of a conversation, and it does feel extremely validating. Yes, it really does. It's pretty much exactly what goes on here five days a week.

That's right. But I do want to force the conversation here. I want to talk about tariffs a little bit.

has said okay it's been on my agenda here's my question who pays the tariff it's china right china pays the tariff

why is this happening no like why is this happening on the show right now

i had a i had what i thought was a pretty fire uh blue sky post the other day wall street journal headline tariff war risk sinking world into new great depression international chamber of commerce warns and my spot my response was okay but what might the impact be on podcasting ah good because you know that's always in the forefront of my mind yes exactly the entire economy collapses and then somebody said what somebody said in the comments i don't think you're gonna raise enough money this year or something like uh let me see if i can they were gently ribbing or just no i think they were worried for us they said i don't think you'll meet your fundraising goals

this year to be honest oh my god gary i hope you're wrong oh no this has got me anxious

Yeah, I think Gary is just being a realist, but I'm hoping we hit our goals for the next Thon. I am excited about the next Thon. It's going to be really, really fun, and I think people are going to love it, and hopefully they will keep supporting us like Kate has done and Derek has done. Thank you so much for making TBTL possible. Hello, and welcome to Top Story. Alright, our top story today, the defenestration of Adrian Brody, which by the way is a thing that will probably happen in a movie he's starring in at some point. Yes. Like, this is my favorite joke. I've been saying it on TBTL left.

and right it's by way of nikki glazer who was uh i think at the golden globes saluted adrian brody as two-time holocaust survivor i think about that you mentioned that on the show i didn't even

hear her say it such a good joke you repeating that has had i think about it every time i see

his face now it's such because it just seems like he's got this well it's obviously the pianist and now the brutalist you know these are these two roles that have gotten him oscars and i haven't seen either movie but i feel like they're somehow kind of related anyway uh genevieve is uh stopping by to uh talk brody with us welcome to the show hi hey thank you uh thanks for being here thanks for making the trek in there was this whole like i guess there was all this stuff going on with adrian brody that i was totally unfamiliar with like i remember when he won an oscar for the pianist i recently watched the darjeeling limited for some reason which is a kind of a random movie to watch, but he's in that, of course, and I thought it was pretty good. And then, you know, he won for The Brutalist. I didn't think much of it, but then, almost immediately after he won, everybody was so upset at how long his speech went, and then I guess the speech was all about how he was almost out of Hollywood, but he wasn't, and then all this other stuff was surfacing about how people don't like Adrian Brody. What's your relationship with Adrian Brody been over the years, Genevieve? Well, I

dislike anybody that Tina Fey dislikes. reflexively she legitimately dislikes him well i don't know what her personal feelings are but i remember um she has said sort of sort of on the record i think she like mouthed it in response to a question about who the worst host of snl was and this is a show that's been hosted by donald trump although i think when she said when she gave this interview it was like before all of our current current crisis before the current crisis but yeah she she has said that or she has intimated that uh Brody was one of the worst hosts I think when he tied with Paris Hilton who she also uh didn't didn't much care for but the reason that he is was such a famously bad host of SNL is like really obvious because if you go but it's the it's I forget when it was but you know obviously now decades ago uh Christina Faye was still a head writer I assume and Sean Paul

was the musical guest oh this is the reggae thing the reggae thing and Adrian Brody and

And there's a lot of debate about whether or not this was sanctioned or he did it. He went rogue. Who cares? Who knows? But he went out to introduce Sean Paul, as you're just supposed to say, ladies and gentlemen, Sean Paul. That's like the simplest part of the whole gig. And he comes out in full Rasta locks, a little wig.

And he's shirtless. This is the first time I'm realizing he's back.

He's wearing like a sleeveless white tank top. Yeah, we played this tape on the show the other day.

A garment that once upon a time would have been called a wife beater. Right.

Okay, gotcha. We played this tape on the show the other day because Andy Richter retweeted it on Blue Sky. God bless Andy Richter. We got his stuff.

I love that messy bitch. He will shit talk to anybody. Exactly.

And well, I guess Adrian Brody, I didn't watch the Oscars, but apparently while Adrian Brody was going on and on and ignoring the walk-off music or whatever you call it, the playoff music during the oscars andy richter just retweeted that scene and said he went on a little bit long here too as he's out there and i'm looking for it now as he's just in this patois i just watched it

in preparation for this conversation and it is it is excruciating i think it's a draw between which is more uh kind of cringy and endless to listen to his oscar acceptance speech or this uh snl bit So he's doing like this really over-the-top, exaggerated, like Rasta, you know, Jamaican voice.

It took me a while, but I got it here. I want to just hear it. So this is 45 seconds. That'll be twice for me today. I can put down half a fresca during this. A lot of fresca talk today.

Man, you're man, you're man, you're man, Jamaican man, you know. You know, Rasta for her, you know. You got the whole family in the house, you know. You know, we got Sean Peter, you know. We got Sean Paul, we got Sean Mary, we got Sean John. You know, we all in the house now, man. You know, respect all our spec. You know, me respect, me next spec, me next spec, me next spec, you know. We got a great show, you know. In a Kingston massive, yeah. Bo, bo, bo, bo, bo, bo, bo. It's not over yet. Keep up the boy. Yeah, man. Yeah, man. We got the whole crew now, you know. I'm going to give a big up, enough respect, and dance all players, you know.

And then he introduces him as Sean John, which is the wrong name. It's Sean Paul. He was Sean Paul. Yes.

Oh, my God.

you had one job yeah he does all of that so badly and it introduces a clothing brand by

p diddy by p diddy um also is that's aged poorly um you know yeah and i think it's so telling that he got it wrong because clearly it had nothing he he was there for adrian and not for the musical guest yes well put um and that just that really sum

up to me in a weird way even though it's such a different kind of uh unpleasant performance that sums up like the impression I get from him which is that he is just up his own ass so constantly and the kind of speech that he gave to I don't know if you listen to it but it's this like very dramatic oh acting is this most important thing and that's why I don't actually watch the main reason i don't even watch the oscars anymore because even though i like obviously i love the movies there are a lot of celebrities who i enjoy seeing and hearing from but something about actors and hollywood and the entertainment industry patting itself so relentlessly on the back for their courage and bravery and making this art is so sickening to me and and adrian brody seems like he absolutely is the not just the drinker of but the but the maker of this kool-aid

Now, we had kind of talked about some of-

He's handing out the little cups of Zara's. Yes.

Thank you for your accuracy. Wait, is that what Heaven's Gate people took?

No, it was the Jonestown. It wasn't actually Kool-Aid.

Okay, but they famously didn't. It wasn't Kool-Aid. They were too cheap for Kool-Aid, right? Right. Famously.

So Luke and I were sort of talking about the speech and this Andy Richter tweet from this old SNL bit, and I was saying, like, boy, I can't think of any time a celebrity that I had and I think I'm quoting myself here like just kind of neutral to I guess positive feelings about I really like the brutalist didn't really think about him much to just like within a day of reaction after the Oscars just being like I really don't like this guy and then Luke you put something in the show sheet the other day that we haven't gotten to yet which is just like I this may I don't know why but the visuals of this thing is like the cherry on top it makes me hate him even more the gum thing i knew that was gonna really hit you wrong

he he apparently as he was he realized he had gum in his mouth so he throws it to his wife

i believe or his partner yeah his romantic partner so he gets up out of his chair and like it's kind of got that like not handheld but that sort of sweeping camera as the winner is kind of getting out of their seat and making the way to the stage and everybody and he's chewing a piece of gum apparently and then he sort of like does this thing like oh i just realized i have gum in my mouth and he takes it out in his in his hand and then like looks around at the audience like what should i do with this he's like and so and then and i don't know who this person is and i don't want to malign her but then like i guess his partner who's like dressed beautifully in this big long black gown just like obediently immediately like jumps out of her seat with her two hands in front of her so that he can not even hand it to her but toss it to her she caught it too did she it looked like she's i heard it was a bad throw i think it was a bad throw no but

no no but she caught it oh she did she has to reach back behind her but but it was it was a good catch here's my here's my hot take on the gum it's a crucial catch on the gum thing yes um here's my hot take on the gum thing i think if it was somebody else who had done the gum thing we would have more um more tolerance and be like oh my gosh matt damon what a what a a goofball like you know he forgot he had gum and his his loving partner and the thing is when you see her face she's running to when she realizes what what he's about that he's like realized he has his gum in his mouth and he's about to accept an Oscar she's really right there to like hey she says throw it to me like she gestures at him to throw it to her and that honestly I get why it's gross and I get why people why it puts people off and I'm not telling anyone how to feel for me personally that is kind of the smallest of his sins which is like he forgot he was chewing gum it's a very human moment and his like that's exactly what i would do for you andrew if you were in a similar situation i would put my hand out because i don't care i don't think i would

do that though i know you wouldn't obviously i would just let me you just told me to swallow it yeah luke would be like the lucite podium got gum there murphy

there's some jack nicholson gum down there what if it was um leonardo dicaprio and he's like

tossing it to an 18 year old he's taken to the yeah i think you're totally right though vives

that like it's actually it could be seen as a cute moment except we've all decided that we're done with adrian brody yeah so now it's insult to injury now yeah which is again what a wild thing for him to win an oscar and then go from like you said andrew somebody i had i didn't have any thoughts about adrian brody i didn't know the tina fey thing until now i was giving no thought to adrian brody and now he's having a terrible week off of winning an oscar yeah like everyone's

agreeing this guy kind of sucks oh that's my favorite if your cackle right there is why is

a big reason why i love you so much may i ask because you guys saw the brutalist i have not seen it yet turns out it wasn't playing in longview washington for very long enough people We're streaming to the AMC to see the Brutalist out here. But is he really good in the...

movie he is he really good in the movie listen it's the type of movie i really enjoyed it but it's while we're kind of talking about somebody who's really kind of high on their own supply and also in this sort of like tradition of important male actors it's definitely one of those stories and i'm sorry to be maybe a little bit of cliche here in the old uh one and a half one and a half men or whatever we used to call that segment but like it is one of those stories of a tortured genius who is really awful at times to the people around him especially the women that they love who then put up with his his awfulness because of his greatness and his genius and so it's one of those that doesn't really answer your question but that sort of does sort of cloud the character

yes like I'm happy to agree he is a good actor but I have you heard his Rasta guy he does

It was so convincing. Clearly convincing.

I thought it was actually Sean John. That's how good he was.

I thought it was Sean Paul. Yeah, because, like, well, I'm very interested in the idea of brutalist architecture. It's beautiful. It's beautiful to watch.

Yeah, but I would say if you're interested in brutalist architecture, consume some other media, because it's not really.

Oh, you didn't like it. Well, that's what I've also kind of heard.

It's not really about the architecture.

Right. I've heard that like there's real like people that really know architecture like know this film is kind of joke As far as it's arc, you know, the it's take on architecture like it's not it's not a particularly I guess true-to-life a thing but like if I do want to see the movie

But I would recommend it by the way I do it for you. I would recommend it I did like it like caveats aside for whatever that's worth

But I also just feel like I already kind of know What's gonna be happening in the movie? it's kind of exactly what you described of like he's going to be in a like wearing a wool suit holding some papers and and smoking a cigarette while he feels bad about something and there's you know what i mean like hey you can only use that during after these messages like you know what i mean like i guess i feel like i kind of already have a sense of what this movie is gonna is gonna look like and feel like which again is a is the kind of thing that i i sort of go in for but I'm surprised that it was considered such a breakthrough or that it's gotten as much attention as it has when I feel like I kind of know what the movie's going to be like.

The Oscars will never get tired of this narrative. Yeah.

Ever, ever, ever. And it is one of those big self-important movies but I really did, having said all of that and acknowledged all of that and I think I had been warned about some of that too going in and maybe that's what made me like it more. I think that's right because Genevieve and I saw it with a friend. Three of us went to see it together. We had dinner ahead of time and you and our friend Libby had already like done a lot of reading about or some reading about the movie I was going in you know with less information and the whole the whole dinner you guys lowered expectations for me well I've heard this and I've heard this I'm like all right whatever so my expectations were maybe somewhat tempered going in and it does it does kind of hit a lot of those kind of beats that these stories do but like I don't know the way that they do portray certain events like i don't want to spoil it for you luke or anybody else but there's there is like um something that happens about halfway through the movie and the way it happens almost off screen do know what i'm talking about and it's just like oh what an amazing way to do that and also just to like sort of see this building that he's building and in a couple of different cases like i don't know like if you just sort of like release yourself and absorb yourself into the world and you just appreciate what you're seeing on the screen from a visual standpoint like it was a

I do not regret those six and a half hours well made example of the type and everybody's good in it and everything is done well and if it was the first time you'd ever seen this type of movie you'd be blown away um but you know I just I think I'm just a little bit over I again like I enjoyed it I'm not I'm not saying it wasn't a good movie it was a good it is a good movie everybody's performances are really good there's some interesting explorations of masculinity i mean obviously like there's the the holocaust is like sort of even though it's not taking place during the holocaust it's it's shadow looms over the whole movie really relevant right now so it's not that it's not a good movie it's extremely well executed and adrian brody is a good actor like no one can take that away from him but he seems like a real pain in the ass and like having him up on the oscar dais accepting this award and these like just he's so overwhelmed by emotion but then as soon as they start to play him off he like snaps into like hey i've been here before i'll i'll decide when i leave stop the music like which he also said the first time he won went for the pianist right he told him to stop the playing off the music like he just seems like and by like i will if i'm gonna listen to like a self-important white actor uh like be haughty. just just give me daniel day lewis i would just prefer that's the flavor i prefer yes um i have

a theory as to how adrian brody got this way i was reading something at some point that he i believe he grew up in new york city and i believe his parents maybe both of them or one of them was a photographer and they used adrian brody i believe as like their muse so like just think about you're this kid you're growing up in new york city you're being photographed constantly by one or both of your parents artfully and then you get into acting and then you you know like or you're probably a model at some point you know he's a very kind of distinct looking guy yeah and then you get into acting and then you're the youngest person to ever win an oscar for best actor 29 i that doesn't seem that young or excuse me doesn't seem like i'm surprised that that was the youngest um uh but anyway you win an oscar at 29 and so you i mean you you just could really become insufferable from everything breaking your way yeah i agree he's been he's been super famous

and like one of our most capital s serious capital a actors for decades now like i'm sure his reality bears no relation to mine and so we can all dunk on adrian brody with impunity because it hurts

nobody he's fine and like he deserves it one of my most likable qualities is i'm a failure at everything i've ever done and people are like i just love it's relatable yes i love that for you can i um go back to the snl thing for a second or luke am i cutting you off were you no no i was

just gonna throw in the the other just weird slice to this whole story is the harvey weinstein factor oh i don't because adrian brody's partner is harvey weinstein's ex and has children with harvey weinstein so after adrian brody because he shouted out these these children that he's apparently close to because he's you know with their mother and then they're like getting a quote from harvey weinstein in jail about how he feels about adier and brody shouting out his kids oh it's like just a strange angle to the whole thing um that is such a weird that is like coda

to the whole thing without putting you on the spot luke's i don't know if you have it memorized but now i'm curious what was his reaction from prison like what was the strangely magnanimous okay like

He was like, I really like that my kids have somebody in their life who is looking out for him. I don't want to give Harvey Weinstein even the tiniest bit of credit on any level because he's pretty monstrous. But it was a strangely – he was like, I'm great with it. I'm happy for them. But anyway, that's just one more odd thing. What were you going to say, Andrew?

It wasn't, no touching!

Someone stole my karaoke machine.

Different show. Was it Tambor? It was Tambor, but it was Tambor in, what's the late night show with, oh, the Larry Sanders show, yeah. Larry David Sanders. Larry David Sanders. I want to go, and I'm sorry, this is kind of a weird thing to do to go back to something that we've already kind of put a bow on. But back to that SNL thing, because I played it on the show the other day, that introduction to Sean John.

Sean Paul. Sean Paul. He's got us all doing it.

Honestly, I was making the calculation in my head, but I over-calculated. Okay, sorry, Sean Paul. I got this note from listener Andrew specifically about that introduction to Sean Paul. The story goes that in 2002, when Adrian Brody was on SNL, he pitched the idea, and they tried it at the dress rehearsal. It obviously didn't go well. depending on who tells the story either the SNL uh cut the idea and planned to have him introduce the music normally and Brody grabbed the wig etc and did it anyway the other version of the story is that SNL asked him to do it more quickly and that Lorne didn't think it was funny either way this is what apparently did happen Brody did the quote-unquote character on the east coast broadcast and it went on even longer and more unhinged. And the version that you've been playing from Andy Richter's Blue Sky is from the dress rehearsal, which they edited for the West Coast broadcast. Some say he got banned from SNL, but the only thing for sure is he hasn't been invited back. And so there's little tidbits in that story of things that I've heard either from you, Genevieve, about Tina Fey's enmity with him or this, Luke, I think you mentioned the other day that you had heard a rumor that he wasn't allowed on SNL.

Well, I just after this was exactly what happened. You played that, quote unquote, Jamaican thing, which I had never heard before. And then when I Googled it, the first headline that came up was Adrian Brody claims he is not banned from SNL over his Jamaican accent.

He's like, I'm not banned. I'll just never be invited back.

Yeah. I want to start just releasing news about things I'm not banned from. Just to get some smoke going. Andrew Walsh wants everybody to know he is not banned from SNL.

So, I mean, that would make.

me so mad if i were one of the producers of snl and if i were if i were lorne michaels or anybody and we said don't do that and then he just commandeered the wig and just went out there

the only thing about that is he also has on this shirt that is you know very much part of the costume and i even think pants as well so so they're just he got assistance from wardrobe i don't know i just feel like the grabbing the wig and doing it without anybody unless he was like wearing that outfit for another sketch but i kind of doubt that it strains belief that part does

that like in a in an environment as tightly controlled and as as clockwork and i know that like i know it's a live environment and things can happen that are unexpected in snl but for a host who has like a person on them at all times who is like they're who is like handling them in the in this in the studio and in this environment and they are like you know there are costume and wardrobe people like it's just it does kind of strain belief that he fully went rogue and did his own costuming and did his own thing but i i believe the story that he went off script in some

way i'm just realizing now the fault in my own stars as i retold that story i said yeah but how could he be in the full getup according to andrew's email that's because i'm seeing something from dress rehearsal that was then cut and edited in so there could be a version where he did just grab the wig with whatever else and did something on him so sorry i kind of missed the point there

as i was trying to recap it i wonder if this is here's one other thing i didn't realize that there was this part of adrian brody's story of him like being not down on his luck but like i just wasn't following his career enough to know that like were you following any of this vives that basically the idea that like after he won for the pianist he was in the wilderness like he he was his career was really like suffering for a while and that was part of why he was you know so proud of himself that he got back on top to win another oscar i guess i wasn't really aware of that i mean he's

it feels like he's been a famous you know uh i don't know if you'd call him an a-lister exactly but like a serious and respect debate oh gosh i don't want to get into what is dennis quaid an A-list story.

You know what? I am happy to concede that. I will no longer be defending Dennis Quaid's status on any red carpets, black carpets, or anything Hollywood related.

Good. Do you know about the black carpet, Genevieve?

No, what's the black carpet?

I was doing, I'm still actually doing this story about the band Metallica.

Oh, yes. I heard some elements of this story.

Did I tell you that night after we were all, when we were all together, maybe I was mentioning it?

I don't remember if you told me in person or if Andrew or if I gleaned it from the podcast. But yeah, I know it.

I know that you stormed off the black carpet petulantly. It was a real low point for me.

Do you want me to stop bringing that up? I'm not sure. No, no, no. No, I need to be reminded. I can't think of the red carpet anymore.

I need to be reminded over and over again of what a baby I was being so I don't do it again. I'm sorry, Aviv, you were saying something. I interrupted you.

Oh, just that I didn't. Yeah, like you, I wasn't really aware of him being on the outs or not getting work or whatever. but like I said I want to see the Brutals. It's not like he's someone that I have such antipathy for that I won't go see his projects. I just think he's probably like not a fun person to be around. Now can I

ask you one question? Yes. I don't know if it's video games or what but it's so unfair. Don't do it until it stops. Will you please stop? More of a comment than a question I guess.

I don't know if it's video games or what

That is That commercial has changed my life This week I can't I really cannot stop thinking about it I told Andrew I watched it like a hundred times

Luke spent the morning just like Downing Fresca watching it on repeat

Shotgunning Fresca and watching Scott Hoy

Do his thing It's amazing

It's really really incredible Anyway, Veves, thank you for talking Brody with us

Yeah, thanks for having me on

You should just do this every day

I know, honestly, can't we build it into your schedule It's so much more fun when you're here

There's a right way to rock And a wrong way to roll You can just listen to your soul Just remember that life is number one You can be having so much fun Just remember that life is much fun. You can be nothing but fun.

Well, Luke, the Andrew Walsh apology tour continues. I believe I've been apologizing to a lot of listeners over a lot of things lately, especially that squirt joke I made earlier.

MC Squirt. That's right. I was trying not to re-traumatize. But I have a big apology to make to listener Kendall because I somehow missed this message last week. And it was a Blur's Day that fell on the actual Blur's Day last week, which really made it feel even worse. Kendall, my apologies. Kendall's in Bellingham. Kendall says, today is my actual 45th Blur's Day. Happy Blur's. Last time I wrote in with a Blur's Day greeting, It was in 2020, which was the last time my birthday was on a Thursday. And even though 2025 pretty much feels like the 2020s stacked in a trench coat. Wait, actually, it's a good joke, and I kind of messed it up. Another apology from me. And even though 2025 feels pretty much like five 2020s stacked in a trench coat, not my joke, stolen from a meme. I don't know who to credit. I am so grateful to have TBTL as a touchstone amidst the swirling chaos and uncertainty. Happy Blur's Day, Kendall. I hope it was a great one. And next time try to get that in on time Yeah Katie says I would like to wish a very happy birthday To my fellow Scotland appreciator Birthday week buddy Soccer fan and general Just really good all around person Max in Seattle Oh yeah I met Max in Seattle I met Max in Seattle At the bracelet making party We hung out a little bit We have a lot of Max's We do we have a Max in New York We have a Max in Seattle. Max in Seattle sometimes calls himself other Max, but I feel like I don't know if I can sign up for that. There are no other Maxes. They're all our Maxes. You're your own Max. Max had a really sweet Cleveland Guardians hat on when I met him. This is the only time outside of the Premier League decision day that I'll say this, says Katie, quote, up the Gunners, go Arsenal FC. At least we can always meet in the middle and share the Sounders fandom. Happy birthday, Max. That's from Katie. And I have a feeling Katie might have triggered Max a little bit with that Premier League stuff.

You know, I've been kind of toying with the idea of getting into Premier League, of caring about Premier League. Because, one, being over there, however briefly, kind of seeing everybody kitted out in their Tottenham outfits and Liverpool and things. It just, obviously, it's a cool, fun energy. And also, living in Seattle, since we don't have a basketball team, an NBA team, that is, there is a pretty big dead spot in the year. Like, if the Seahawks don't make the playoffs, there's a sustained period of time where I don't know what sports to look at with my little eyeballs.

And you'd rather look at the kind of European stuff than the Sounders-y stuff?

You know, I've been to Sounders matches and had a really fun time, and I'm really happy for them. For whatever reason, MLS, I just don't, I don't know, it just doesn't really captivate me. I don't know why. It's very competitive and very popular, obviously. But I also kind of like the idea of being one of those weirdos who's watching Arsenal at 3 in the morning.

Yeah, right.

Because that's what it's on or whatever.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. It must feel like when you're watching it out of the time zone, you're over here. It must feel like you are part of like a little club. Yeah, exactly. You don't want to rush the bass.

Kelly. Oh, go ahead. Sorry. They're just things are getting crazier and crazier over there at the On Cinema House. Speaking of Heidecker.

Yeah. Did you watch any of their Oscars coverage?

I've just been seeing clips of, like, Tim Heidecker just screaming at Greg Turkington.

The problem is, like, I'm so far behind on what the narrative is, and that the whole universe goes through these phases that I keep saying I'm not going to watch the new stuff until I'm caught up on the old stuff, but then I kind of keep forgetting to catch up on the old stuff. I have years of their relationship—I have years to catch up on as their relationship goes from toxic to more toxic.

And he's always got, Heidecker's character has always got these like weird, like really handsome singer guys or like a, you know, some, he's got a business partner. And it's like, it's so convoluted, but that's so funny to me.

Yeah, yeah. Kelly in Belltown says, raved. Oh, I love this. Okay, this is for Mary. This is for our friend Mary. Oh, our buddy Mary. Mary, who's really good. Really published. Yes. Rancher and Raver. That's right. Mary often writes into the Seattle Times rant and rave column. This is such a sweet message. I was literally lolling as I put this into the document last night. Kelly, and I read it to Genevieve. Kelly in Belltown says, rave to my mom, Mary, for having a Friday birthday this year. Rave for one of the most consistent things in my life for 18 years, being something I have in common with my mom. A daily podcast.

heart that we love together, and rave to her for finally converting dad from an 11 to a 10. Whoa. See, Mom, they don't all have to be rants. Happy birthday. We love you. Happy Blurs Day, Mary. That's awesome. Absolutely. I love having Kelly and Mary in the TBTL fam. It's been fun getting to know you guys. Yeah. Hey, our pal Kristen Eastlake says, happiest of birthdays to Erin. She's a great friend who's full of laughter and care. Aaron, I'm so grateful to know you and hope you feel extra happy of yourself today. Happy Blurs Day, Aaron. Aaron is a very generous supporter of TBTL, too. Thank you. Aaron, thank you. Sally in North Bend, Washington says, happy 62nd birthday to my favorite hymn, Charlie. Aww. I really didn't. I thought that was going to be like H-Y-M-N. My favorite hymn, Amazing Grace. A moosing grace. A moosing grace. I got to use that tomorrow. Let's see here. This is for Charlie from Sally. And Sally says, I really didn't plan on dying twice last year, but thanks to you. I did not pre-read this one, Luke. Whoa. Whoa. Sally says, I really didn't plan on dying twice last year, but thanks to you, EMTs, doctors, nurses, et cetera, et cetera, I'm here to talk about it. I would not have survived without you. Here's to a much better year. I love you. So that is happy blursing to Charlie sent from Sally, who I am so grateful to hear from. Sally, I hope you're doing okay, man. That sounds... And what did you see? What did you see? What did you see? Share it with us. Was my weird bearded face at the end of the light? No, no. I don't want to... You know what? I feel bad. I don't want to make light of that. Sally, I hope you're doing all right, man. Yeah. And, of course, happy Blur's Day to Charlie. And Dave says, I got a Blur's Day message from my actual brother, Denny. And it says MD. I don't know if that means doctor or in Maryland. And also one of the flying gulets of Edmonds, as you and Luke coined us a few weeks ago. He just entered his 40s. Perhaps you two wise men with much experience in the practice of being in one's 40s have some sage thoughts. If not, perhaps just a simple jalapeno or Walsh Helm scream can help me wish him a happy 40th. Thursday. Jalapeno. Happy birthday, Danny. That's an AI of me saying how it's listed as AI Andrew Jalapeno. Jalapeno. So it sounds good. It's better than what I'm bringing up.

Here's my advice on being in your 40s, which is, you know, not anything particularly original. But now that I'm 48, I think of being 40 and 41 as so young. And, of course, when you're turning 40 and 41 and whatever, you feel like, wow, I'm moving into a different age bracket here. You can feel a little old or like you're getting old. And then you give it eight years and you're like, man, to be 40 again. And that's just the way it is throughout life. Once you get past the, I mean, I think there's a certain age where, you know, when you're younger, you always can't wait to be older until you get to a certain point, of course. That's why it sort of surprised me before when you said, and I don't have any context for this, but as far as who else have won Academy Awards for Best Actor. But like when you said 29 doesn't seem that young to win an Academy Award. And I was like, do they even have their adult teeth at 29? It sounds so young to me now. Right. But anyway, you're going to love your 40s, Denny. Happy Blur's Day. Just be careful on those trapeze. The flying goulets. The flying goulets. And finally, Chad in Minnesota says, Happy 55th Blur's Day to my beautiful, smart, talented, and often Gen X snarky wife, Amy. Of course, Amy, famous for her pan-drumming. Not pan-drumming, but the pan-drumic drummer. We're so far behind on our boys listening that it will be nearly the end of March by the time you hear this, but that just helps make your celebration a blurs month. A blurs month. There you go. Not just a mere day, and you totally deserve it. Happy Blurs Day, Amy. Happy Blurs Day. Do, do, do, do. And that's where we end things. Sweet. I'm in need of my third fresca. That's right. Of the morning. Do you know, we used to have a priest in church who, I really like this guy, Father Dunphy. He was like kind of the priest that I was often the altar boy for. Like he came in as kind of this young priest who was really going to kind of, I don't know, shake things up as too strong of a word. We had a very stodgy. old priest before him and then he came in and I remember he let his golden retriever, it was the first dog I ever liked, he let his golden retriever come into the church like not during mass but like as we were getting ready for some sort of celebration. I couldn't believe I was seeing a dog in the church you know and I really really loved Father Dunphy. He's passed away not too long ago but anyway he used to as he would walk down the mass is over right and then the final thing is he would walk down the aisle out the back exit right and the i think altar boy's flanking him or something and then he would kind of stand in the uh kind of doorway or maybe outside on the steps leading into church so he could shake everybody's hands as they leave church very classic thing but the thing i remember and the reason i'm bringing this up now is as i'm singing doo-doo-doo-doo to tim heidecker's bass line there i always found it so charming that as he was like leaving church he would just

do that to whatever the organist was playing and it wasn't great like he didn't know this song He would just like loudly just like do-do-do-do-do-do-do. Really? He would just keep things light. I love that, man.

He is a good guy, yeah. Father Dunphy. Rest in peace. All right. That is going to do it for today's episode, but I have some really incredible news. We've got another one coming your way tomorrow. That's right. We'll be back here.

More Father Dunphy stories. Don't worry.

It'll be all Father. It'll be ranking the times Father Dunphy burped. What was the best Father Dunphy burped?

I do feel like the Father Dunphy Chronicles or something could be like a CBS show.

Or a show that I only get two episodes of on BritBox.

Yes, yes.

My dad's trying to make us watch. Exactly. All right. We will be back here tomorrow with more Imaginary Radio. In the meantime, have a great Thursday. Take care of yourselves, folks. And please remember, no mountain too tall. And good luck to all.

Power out.