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Uh, Alex is here buying some gifts for her baby. Oh, really? What's the name of that cutie? Lucian. Lucian? Yeah. You named your baby Lucian? I did, yes. That's my lizard's name. What a small world. He passed away recently. He was run over by an ice cream truck. Sad story.

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I was just fixing to get me some grub. Beans. I love beans. Big, fat, hot, juicy beans. Now don't get me going on beans, or I'll be jabbering away till the sun comes up. Could you crawl back out of my mind?

Please understand that nothing personal is intended here against anybody. I don't hate these artists. I'm not trying to say that God hates them. And I'm certainly not trying to get you to hate them. I'm proud to be brainwashed. I've got a clean brain. You could eat off it.

I believe it was Benjamin Franklin who said, you have reached the end of your free trial membership at benjaminfranklinquotes.com. What a wise man. What's on the agenda, my friend-a?

All right, hello, good morning, and welcome, everyone, to a Wednesday edition of TBTL, the show that just might be too beautiful to live. Welcome to the internet. My name is Luke Burbank. I am your host. How about a frisket? Coming to you from the Madrona Hill studio perched high above the stormy, stormy and yet still mighty columbia it is didn't know you like to get wet though i had to swaddle my laptop computer bringing it from my little house up here to the matrona hill studio and which is like 25 steps but that was so rainy and sideways rainy this morning that there was a danger of me damaging it it made it just fine and we've made it just fine to episode 4 421 in a collector's series let the fun begin we've got a slight tbtl mystery on our hands in a case gone cold could a podcast bring the heat trying to figure out how and why something happened uh were there was there a disagreement was there a falling out anyway we'll get into it also we've got some sky jinx um or maybe uh sky stinks is more the um an airplane uh had to turn around somewhere over greenland which hold on checking yes as of press time is still a sovereign nation wait is it part of denmark i don't know we haven't uh expropriated it yet anyway an airplane had to turn around and go back to Chicago because eight of the 12 toilets got plugged. Also in the Sky Jinx department, Southwest Airlines is kind of unsouthwesting itself and people are very, very unhappy about having to pay for their checked bags. And we'll talk about all that and we'll talk to this guy, the longest running Cobra of the show, maybe best known for his depictions of the tall ships he brought the rock and roll edge to the eagles he's andrew walsh and he's joining me right now good morning my friend i love the way that bell rings out just to infinity it's just and beyond it's so smooth do you want to talk about the

mystery or do you want to talk about big fruit because i could go either way here at the beginning

of the show to be honest with you um let's just knock the mystery out quickly because i promoted it and and then let's and then let's shift to big fruit because i've got a lot of questions okay good um this uh this actually involves uh our friend at tbtl employee numero uno john sklaroff uh who who kind of got to the he got to the core of this issue uh recently the other day i mentioned to you kind of offhandedly that uh that i'm not i'm not getting the tbtl newsletter which is the height of irony i believe don't make me queue up the alanis morissette i will um because of course we work here this is our job if there are three people on planet earth who should be getting the tvtl newsletter it's you and me and john sklaroff and i wasn't and you had looked me up in the system and you'd seen my name on there so you're like it's weird because you are you know you were mentioning i am getting it or i should be getting it i thought maybe it was in my junk folder or whatever anyway john sklaroff went and did a deeper dive did some forensic you know research on this matter and found that i am in the system on some level but the problem is i had unsubscribed at some point and therefore i could not be added back in we take your privacy very seriously here at too beautiful to biz and if you unsubscribe from the newsletter which would be madness i don't know why anyone will do that let alone me we then cannot manually we can't override that we can't subscribe you back you know um and uh and that's actually that's actually the spot that i

I'm in, I had somehow unsubscribed, and so I resubscribed this morning. But it raises the question, why in the world would I unsubscribe from our own newsletter? Were you and I in a fight? Was I trying to punish you?

I don't know, man. Here's my theory. Isn't that weird, though? It is weird. I would say it might have to do with the fact that I put in a lot of, well, not a lot. I think a lot is exaggerating. I think, let's say from time to time, I put a generous amount of pornography in the newsletter. Yes. Really, like, just like, really.

And in conversation with my trusted spiritual advisors, they've said it might be good for me personally to look at less of that sort of stuff.

Because this is not like, it's not like classy stuff. It's like really, it's like rough, rough, raunchy. I think the word that the FCC uses is illegal. That's what they put in their emails. I don't know. I usually delete them. But I'm guessing that that might have maybe you just got to a point where you're like, I don't want to see this on Friday afternoons. That could be part of it. I'm not sure. To answer your question more seriously.

The only logical sort of conclusion of that is that the people, the many people, the thousands of people subscribing do want that.

Yeah, well, that's why I put it in there.

They're opting in, as it were.

We have a 100% open rate for those who don't want to subscribe.

It is an adult film I still have somewhere on VHS in my house, Opting In.

Oh. I have one called Opting Out, which was a less popular follow-up. But anyway, no, there's nothing naughty in the newsletters. It is a good question. I don't know. And you explained it properly. I guess I will just say that, like, we have various email lists for various reasons, right? An example of that would have been last year we were producing a limited edition video series for people who donated at a certain level. It was like a digital thank you gift where you and I would record a little video with a listener every Friday or send it out on Saturdays, I think. And so it looks like you're still signed up for that. We're not doing that anymore. That was just, like I said, a one-year thing. But, like, you're on that list and it looks like you're good to go. So I did legitimately feel bad when John was like, Luke is in the system. I felt like I was gaslighting you a little bit because I'm like, well, check your spam folder. So you were in the system, but no longer on that TBTL weekly newsletter list. And I guess when he tried to put you back in, they're like, no, no, no. This guy said he wants no part of this. He actively clicked a button that said, I want to hurt Andrew's feelings today. And we can't put you back.

I cannot, for the life of me, figure out what the reason for that would be. I don't know either. The past is a mystery. The future is history. I believe that's what they say. I can't believe it. You've got to get up pretty early to say a Gary Busey-ism less logically than he says it.

If you repeat it incorrectly, it makes sense.

I mean, that's high-level, that is high-level cogitation when I'm operating at a sub-UC level here on this Wednesday morning.

Sub-UC levels. Yeah, I don't know. You're always monkeying around with your computers. I mean, maybe.

I've got kind of a couple situations going on. This is the worst thing for me to discuss on air with you because it relates to a friend of ours and a person who sometimes dips in on the show and might hear this. but uh we have a friend who's international and we we often chat on that whatsapp app but because i just let my phone update i didn't actually let it update it you know i went to sleep with one kind of iphone recently and woke up with a different kind of operating system it got like it's sort of like it's sort of like uh you know getting a gremlin wet or feeding it after midnight like it's got to be on the wi-fi it's got to be plugged in it's like a variety of conditions have to be met for your phone to go like we got him guys we got him he's slumbering away but we have all the necessary conditions life finds a way let's move everything on this phone to somewhere where he doesn't know where it is because now we're on sequoia or some shit if they ever start naming their operating systems after like lighthouse ranch or eureka cal other other northern cal reference points from my childhood that would be kind of dope but anyway my phone updated and weirdly what it did was it didn't bring whatsapp along with it and so i what i realized was there was a there was a news event the the passing of bob rivers who's radio person uh in seattle radio legend uh rip and uh and and that but um well anyway the the per i wanted to reach out to our friend uh and and sort of because he knew bob really well better than i did and i wanted to say like oh hey i'm really like so sorry about this etc so i wanted to i wanted to talk about a little bit and uh i realized i don't i can't i don't i got back into whatsapp but it's

It's like I had to basically start a new account. I have none of the chats that you and I and our friend had. You know what I mean?

Well, here's the thing. I was able to reach out to our friend because he also has – I don't know how this works, but I'm able just to text him at a phone number that he has.

Well, that's what I need to do is just go back to that. I don't know why we were doing this WhatsApp.

Well, the thing is now I just remembered I want to play something for you, and I'm curious why we're keeping this person anonymous. Is there any reason why?

It's our friend Bean. Well, it's because, as we know – let me put it this way. I think Bean – my concern is that Bean wanted to bond with me about Bob Rivers' passing because that's – I knew Bob Rivers and Bean at the same time in Seattle. We used to go to these events together. We were all friends. And I realized if Bean were to have sent me a WhatsApp about his really good friend Bob Rivers' passing and I didn't respond to it, it would come off as very rude.

Right, but in the context –

And something that Bean's not a particular fan of.

But in the context of this conversation, I think the only person, aside from you and I, who knew we were talking about Bean would be Bean. We were just protecting his identity from the audience, it seemed to me. Doesn't it seem like he would have figured it out if he heard this conversation?

Yes, but I don't know if Bean wants the audience to know that Bean would be mad at me about me not texting him back about Bob Rivers.

I see. I don't think, no, I think that's all very human nature. Fair game. The only reason I'm making this even more awkward is because I want to play a piece of tape related to all of this and something that you were talking about at the end of the show yesterday and i wasn't able to do this if we're going to keep being uh anonymous in this conversation so thank you for letting me dredge all of this up we got through the awkward but i hope you understand that it really was for a reason because i don't know exactly what bean situation is as far as like we used to use whatsapp but now i do know that he sometimes texts me on a regular like i guess we'll call it an sms number i don't know anything about technology seattle or new orleans i don't think it's either and i don't want to give out any more information no i don't give it just read it to me over there exactly but quietly here's what i think might blow your mind although it sounds like you and him also might have connected um yesterday so maybe he already shared this with you i did not connect with him that's the whole problem connecting in no whatsapp doesn't work

anymore and that's why i'm feeling extra bad because i've yet to check in with our friend and i i could see a world in which a couple of messages fell into the void i see and now it looks like i'm being uncaring about this about this other thing that's why i'm stressed well

in the classic goofus and gallantness of our relationship i did i did reach out first i hacked your phone and deleted whatsapp so that i would have a head start and then subscribe newsletter just so that we can have something to talk about no but after the show i almost copied you on this too and i i should have i think i just forgot at the last minute this would have also given you was this on whatsapp or no just on just text i just text him i'm like hey heard about the news just you know sort of sent my condolences he's like yeah um he said here's a clip and i hope it's okay to play this on our show i don't think bean would send this to me um without the understanding that i might play it on the show but i'm not going to tell you anything other than bean sent me this and he says here's a clip that um i'm going to play on the podcast so this is going to be on bean's podcast i hope this is okay that i'm sharing it possibly tea and a chat cup of tea and a chat um and i hope i'm not scooping him here with his kindness of sending me this but i could not believe that this is the tape he sent me he said here's a good example of how how good of a storyteller bob rivers was this is just 90 seconds long i think this is from a conversation from cup of tea and a chat you can hear bean in here for a second but this is bob rivers telling a story and this happens to be the story that he's telling

Colton Harris Moore was a kid who lived on Camino Island. I didn't hallucinate this. An absent father, you know, was alcoholism involved. And he became a juvenile delinquent. He and a friend of his would basically break into any place, including vacation homes, which there were a lot of in that Camino would-be San Juan Island area. And he had a lifelong dream of flying an airplane. He'd been taken up in a plane by, I think it's mom's boyfriend at some point, and he decided, I want to learn to fly. So Colton Harris Moore, the delinquent, started learning how to fly on Flight Simulator. And he lived in the woods on Orcas Island, where he would routinely break into houses and make a pizza and have some popcorn. and at some point it appears he was camped out looking at my airplane hangar and figured out how to get into the hangar and started preparing to take my plane for a joyride no this is a guy with no flight lessons yeah never took a lesson taught himself how to fly he was 17 years old oh and when he would go around the island breaking into places he was young and hip enough to know that he wanted to be a social media star.

so he would do everything barefoot and leave barefoot tracks and they nicknamed him the Barefoot Bandit. So I apologize to Bean profusely if I just played a piece of tape that he sent me that he was saving for his show but I could not believe that you ended yesterday's show by saying I think there was some connection between Bob Rivers and the Barefoot Bandit and that was what we were talking about and then literally 45 minutes later, Bean just sends me this out of thousands upon thousands of hours of tape of Bob Rivers talking, that that is the story that he also thought of right away.

I'm re-subscribing to the TVChall newsletter. You got to. That's how psyched I am this morning over this development. By the way, everyone go subscribe and Patreon to Cup of Tea in a Chat. That's a great show, and that way we can make up for Stealing Bean's tape. But I'm very heartened, and you know this feeling, like when you're kind of, Cause you know, we, the, the news of Bob rivers passing was sort of at the end of yesterday's show and, and I hadn't spent a lot of time kind of considering what I wanted to say about him. Um, and you know, I'd met him maybe five or 10 times and I was just found him to be just an incredibly thoughtful for somebody who's, you know, who would have been described as a shock jock in some, you know, in a, like a very lazy way. Like, you know, he had probably the biggest morning show in Seattle for, you know, a couple of decades and he was on different stations, but I guess very successful even when he moved which for some reason that stuck out i was reading the obit in the seattle times because sometimes what happens in radio is you know you'll have some success but then you'll change stations or something and then it's almost like every new station you go to it's a little less good maybe they're the budget's a little smaller or the the the station is you know it's just changed formats and so there's not quite the listenership etc but sounds like everywhere bob went he was a he was a huge success but anyway yesterday which which i find impressive as a as a person who's been mostly not a success everywhere I've gone, other than this. But all that is to say, I was, you know, kind of reaching around in the back of my brain for things I remember about Bob yesterday. And so then to just like throw this Hail Mary of this Colton Harris more thing and then to have it validated, that's very, like, rest in power, Bob Rivers. But also, thank you for giving me this great gift of being right about something.

It sounds like his plane wasn't, I mean, I only know that 90 seconds. Yeah, maybe his plane wasn't stolen. But he was prepared to steal it before maybe Colton Harris-Moore got arrested.

Which would also explain why it hadn't made it. Because I think I said yesterday, and this would have been where I was incorrect, something about like it wasn't reported in the news. Like if Bob Rivers' airplane would have been, I think I said that Colton Harris-Moore crashed it. If he would have legit flown it and crashed it, and it was famous Seattle person Bob Rivers' plane, I think that would have been a pretty big news story. Yeah, would have been a pretty big headline. Probably didn't get to that point. But just the fact that there was at least a little bit of a connection, I'm feeling very good this morning.

Now, I want to go back to a conversation we were having a moment ago about the TBTL newsletter because I do think there's still one big question remaining, which is, what you're going to do now, Burbank? Because we cannot re-sign you up for the TBTL newsletter. I already signed back up. You signed back up. Yes, I'm back in. So you will get this week's newsletter. So I got to make it good.

I marked it as junk, though. I signed up but marked it as junk.

That's smart. that's good you signed up but muted me no that's good so okay if you're gonna be putting eyes on that maybe i'll try to try to make it good for a change i've started muting people on blue sky

now not even people i know just like i don't know there's a why why why why why am i going here let's

talk about big fruit you want to is that gonna get out of jail i mean i can talk about big fruit if

you want let's actually keep that in our back pocket just for the next few months anytime like that yeah in a tight spot like it's like our um it's like our philly our philly special or like you know which was that play that the eagles ran in the previous super bowl they won where nick foals caught the touchdown pass it was like a on a two-point conversion and they just been like saving this play forever and they saw the right the right circumstances going into the half it's like ross reynolds is bowling a sport even even better even better example because this is radio I guess I just there's a it there's a person on blue sky who I've never met and you've never met and they're not they're they have good takes this is the thing they're just like a person who is a I think a writer of some kind but and they're like they're like uh there's nothing absolutely nothing wrong with what they're doing but for some reason it's just like there's a certain kind of energy and tone to their posts like they're like the kind of person who they it feels to me i'll just say it who cares it's a guy named john scalzi it's a writer named john scalzi you were so close to saying john sklaroff i was like holy shit that would be that would be a real tbtl mystery no there's a this is a writer who i bet you like half of our listeners follow because he has good takes he's a good writer he's a good writer but But it's like, there's just something about his online personality that is 5% grading to me. It's the kind of thing where he's just like, I'll be out of town next week, so it'll be limited posts. And it's like, I hate when people do that. It's like, will we survive without your posts? I know you're talking about it. And then it's just like, to me, it's like political takes that we all agree on, generally speaking, which is kind of like, Trump is doing bad things to America. And then just like, here's my, look, look who greeted me at the door. My cat side note. If you look at my social media, when I'm living with my cat, it's 90% cat content. So I'm not, I can't get down on that. It's just like, but also like, I don't, I think I must've started accidentally following him as a pack or something, but then he's got like hundreds of thousands of followers. I can't. So if I unfollow him or whatever, I don't think he would even care, but I just muted him. And it was the weirdest thing because the guy has done nothing to me. He has good takes. He's a force for good in the world. There's just something about his energy on there that just, like, is 5% like, oh, okay, calm down or whatever. I don't know. It just, like, gets on my nerves, and I was just like, mute.

I've seen this profile pic before with him and his cat, so I'm like, yeah, this has entered my discourse as well. I will say this about Blue Sky, and this is not a complaint, by the way. I mean, I think it's there to do. I think it's doing what it's there to do. But we're not living in a joyful time in America for most of us or the people that share my worldview. And because of that, people are going to Blue Sky, which is a much better alternative to the old Twitter. and I'm glad there's a place where people can vent their feelings and talk about the terrible headlines that we're seeing. Like, it's doing what it's supposed to do. But it's really given me very little reason to go to Blue Sky anymore because it's only going to ruin my mood. I've been trying to, like, yesterday I think I retweeted a couple, like, literally, like, a couple of pieces of art or something. Just re- I said retweeted, reposted. Not my stuff, but just a little bit, like, in the back of my head thinking like maybe a timeline cleanse a little bit like just something that sparks a tiny bit of joy and again i'm not saying it's wrong i think i used to on twitter feel more like why why do we have this thing where people who share my beliefs and worldview why are we obsessed with just finding the worst of the worst takes and then retweeting them and then getting mad about them and i do think that that's a kind of a problem that people fall into but right now i don't think it's like looking for it doesn't sound it's not like oh we need to like scour the earth and find the most outrageous things and then and and then you know create rage out of it like it's all everything that's happening is just unbelievably upsetting and people are reacting to it but it really has made blue sky now a place that's like i i'm i i'm not saying that i'm avoiding it but i'm finding myself like literally bracing while the page loads i'm like i kind of like i have this question of like whoa what am i what am i hoping to see here whereas like instagram used to be a lot of that i i think much worse at like kind of people either talking down to me you know me not me specifically but like that that tone of somebody who's like kind of let me tell you how it is or people having political opinions that i agree with but i'm just like you're not bringing anything new to the conversation but at least it was mixed in with some some beauty of photos and and seeing we're talking about the teal house on the hill account yesterday listen Audrey and Ryan you know I've also muted them no you got to you got I unsubscribe no no everybody check it out but no you know what I mean like there were there were also people living their lives and posting beautiful things or interesting things and like now blue sky is like nothing at least you know what I follow is just all just anger making and I wait for it to load and I'm like oh god what am I doing it's like I just feel it my gut

clenching yeah you know I don't know what exactly the sweet spot is for me in terms of because here's the other thing uh i'm there's no i'm not seeing anybody on blue sky this is probably by design i'm not seeing anybody i'm not seeing like let's just say tucker carlson joined blue sky i'm not seeing tucker carlson thankfully like i there's there's almost there's almost not enough dynamism on there for me which is kind of like the whole thing with stupid ass twitter was like and you know it was like it was kind of it was a combination of things and because blue sky is most of us who have either left twitter it now it generally speaking is people of a certain mindset wringing our hands about what the bad people are doing over on either twitter or in washington or whatever and it's weird because it's like i don't want to be i'm not trying to get on there and like mix it up with the with you know stephen miller or some shit but also a bunch of us just kind of pearl clutching again reasonably so and maybe that's why this poor john scalsey guy They caught like a, caught astray from me.

you might say moment yeah just because it's like i don't know it's like it's it's like i don't want it to be a place where i'm what i i'm also following like a bunch of like weird accounts on purpose like old friend 99 and stuff right yeah because i think what i also slaps yeah yeah because i kind of miss i think i mean there was two things well there's three things about twitter that were that were important to me one was obviously my desire to be relevant on that platform i.e put things out there that then other people uh liked therefore i would have value that was the number one thing uh and when i had one of those kind of take off it was like a real it was a real high for me a high that was often uh helped along by the high of a massive amount of alcohol i've been drinking and therefore decided to tweet that was thing number one thing number two was it was a good place to get information it was often like the first place

shit would yes yes definitely or if you were wondering like sometimes you'd be seeking out like is from micro of like is this website down or you hear did something just happen in the university

district you could just like use twitter as a search or are people as mad at jorge polanco as

i am right yes honestly i mean honestly yes yes that's a huge thing for me when i marinate when i'm screaming at a mariner yeah i'm like are other people as mad at this and just seeing other people venting about unimportant things like sports sometimes it just is relieving yes i liked all

of that and then i also liked the takes like because it was there was a there was a lot of things on there and one of the things was the takes so that was maybe a 30 percent of in other words seeing people who i generally agree with politically uh kind of like taking down some like basically uh disassembling someone else's bad tweet or uh saying you know trump is saying this but really this is what's happening blue sky for me the challenge right now is it's just all that it's not there's not very much humor it's not a place to get breaking news i still go on there every single day although i don't post that much um and by the way we have a tbtl account long live blue sky at least in its you know in its current form like i would really want it to be around i hope it just keeps evolving i guess because like yeah and i think that's probably why i had that weird reaction to this like totally you know this person who didn't do anything at all to me other than agree with me politically and to be way more popular than me on blue sky That was this person's, too, and letting everyone know he was going to be out of office for a week.

I will say, yeah, and, you know, this is somebody who's a real person who, again, I doubt this person would ever hear this. I don't want to be cruel, but, man, yeah, I just looked. He's got almost 300,000 followers, right, and some very famous people that I follow follow him. But, like, posting an out-of-office for, like, Twitter or Blue Sky really does seem a little bit like, yeah, you do think your impact on my life is maybe a little bit bigger than it is. That makes me cringe a little bit.

But, again, you know, if anyone wants to come at me, feel free to. It only makes me stronger. and two if you were to go and analyze any of my social media presence you would say this is a worse version this is a less compelling version of what the guy who i'm slightly negging is doing you know what i mean whether it's cat content or pictures of the sunset another thing i've done a lot it's like all i'm doing is a less successful version and maybe that's why it that's why i got under my slightly under my craw for a minute the other day i do want to reiterate what you said

the tbtl is on blue sky now and i will say this like blue sky even though i just said all of this about politics well first of all tbtl we're i'm not using the um we're not using the tbtl account to weigh in on on the uh call for yourself i've recently got the password and it's about to get spicy we are going to rescind that how do you change hold on i'm looking how do you change the password on blue sky um but i've locked you out it is fun i'm posting the show there daily john is posting videos on blue sky it is it is a fun platform and i will just say this not to be like oh i was here first but i was here first no i mean the difference between blue sky on march 12 2025 and march 12 2024 is amazing luke because i remember watching baseball last season and just being like the reason why like i i follow some people that i probably wouldn't have followed on twitter and i have people who follow me who wouldn't know about me otherwise only because we were there so early just begging anybody to create a conversation about the mariners like it was so nascent that you would just type in hashtag mariners and there would literally only be in the entire blue sky averse that i had access to three tweets maybe complaining about something throughout the game like maybe three tweets per game i keep calling them tweets i'm sorry posts but anyway just knowing that like now with you know unfortunately it's terrible things that have led the world.

two blue sky but at least there are like really there's a massive people there now and this will be the first baseball season where i can just be mad at jorge polanco and type in his name and see a bunch of other people who are mad as well and that could really change your relationship that

could really change your relationship with the platform yeah certainly i forgot that i i wrote this hilarious joke into the show sheet and then i forgot to i i was going to blame my audi on whoever unsubscribed me from the tv till newsletter that was a pretty it was a pretty solid spoof well

Well, since you brought that up.

Wait, you mean that the topic of severance or me writing fire jokes into the show sheet?

No, I'm not doing it now. I'm going to do it later. Okay, let me tell you. Not big fruit. Here's what we're doing. Here's what we're going to do.

We do have to thank some dazzlers.

We're going to thank some dazzling donors. So here's what we're going to do. And I'm telling you what we're going to do. And I'm listening. But I'll give you a little bit of background here. Because you might have saw a little whiff of this on a text chain between you, me, and Sklarov. I received a voicemail yesterday From a very kind, nice person But it set me off because I've been getting Some voicemails like this And I had a whole rant It's not about this particular listener But I had a whole rant ready to go For the top of the show This is very rare for me to do show prep But I was walking around and I was ready I'm like, I'm going to tell Luke I'm coming in hot today And I was going to give some opinions on some things And just try to clarify some things once and for all About me and that TV show Severance I'm not going to do that right now And I didn't start the show with it Instead I gave you an opportunity to talk about Big Fruit That was my way of not talking about the thing I really wanted to talk about What we're going to do is Since it's somewhat TBTL feedback related The final segment of today's show When everybody stops listening I am going to give you A shorter Slightly softer Slightly more rounded around the edges Version of the rant that I was prepping in my head yesterday You ready for that? I am so ready for it. Get ready.

We was hoping for some razzle-dazzle. Razzle-dazzle. That's right, man. Razzle-dazzle.

On your mark. On your mark. Get set. Get set. Now ready. Ready. Go. Everybody razzle-dazzle.

All right. Let's thank those dazzling donors. These folks are donating a dazzling amount of dough. I was grabbing some coffee yesterday with this pal of mine, Marshall Herskovitz. He's a movie producer and television producer. I met him, I guess, a couple years ago. I was actually doing a profile of his production partner, this guy named Ed Zwick. And these guys made, like, The Last Samurai and, you know, Glory and, like, a bunch of movies that were pretty... Legends of the Fall. But he lives up here, and we get coffee. It's actually very fun. I don't have a lot... You know, he's my dad's age. i have a lot of like you know i don't have a lot of elders who i just like get coffee with and chop it up it's also funny because he's like a very normal down-to-earth guy but then he just casually is like oh what's the next couple weeks look like and he's like well we have to go to london because we're pitching tom cruise on this new movie we're doing it's like wow all right well i'm it's also going great for me i'm doing this podcast no but he was like how's the podcast i was like it's incredible that it's still happening and he was like that is like the coolest thing like he was This is a guy who has been involved in some of the highest echelons of entertainment and is impressed that TBTL has been around for 16 years. Like, kind of can't believe it. And it's because of folks like Jill Jaris in your old stomps of Lakewood, Ohio.

That's right. I heard Lakewood being discussed on a podcast. Oh, you know why? Oh, hey, heads up, Jill. If you are a fan of Paul F. Tompkins, he's taking his tour to Lakewood. I remember him saying specifically that he's going to Lakewood, Ohio. Not Cleveland, Ohio, but Lakewood, Ohio, which is, of course, a buts Cleveland. And so, Jill, you can check it. It's called Tourtopia or something like that. Oh, is it Varietopia? Yeah, but he's calling it Tourtopia. Okay, is it his variety show on tour? I believe so. Yes, that's exactly right. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Anyway, there you go. Also, I just want to mention to your friend who is in movies, Luke, I don't know if he's interested enough to actually listen to this podcast. You won't do nudity. If he is listening to this podcast, I will just say if anybody is looking for somebody to play Tom Cruise in a movie, I would be willing to play Tom Cruise in a movie.

Let me pass this on, too, by the way, because I was like, so what is the deal with Tom Cruise? Because they've done, he and Ed Zwick have done two movies with Tom Cruise. And I was like, what is that guy's deal? and he goes, he's the nicest person on the movie set that you will ever meet.

That does not shock me.

That shocks, when he said that, that shocked me. Because, you know, I don't know if it's the Scientology or the like.

or the just kind of like being the most famous man in the world as you like to say does his own

stunts does his own acting does his own like there's an energy about him that seems really intense and like i could just and also i think when you get to that level of fame what he's here's here's what uh marshall said to me he was like we were filming in new zealand and he goes we like land this is i think they were filming the last samurai in new zealand and he said um and there's a story in the paper about how there has been something distributed on the film set that said no one's allowed to make eye contact with tom cruise and he goes which was not the case had never been the case he goes and there's literally no one who's nicer like the crew like the gaffers like tom cruise is walking around making eye contact shaking hands he's like he's the sweetest dude on the film set and and marshall said i that's why i never believe those stories about no eye contact because i've been i've been mad at steve harvey for years over that because i had read one of those stories you have been i luke burbank do solemnly swear to have been mad at steve harvey over a similar story and i started to wonder is that just one of those weird things where when you get to a level of fame where it seems like you might have become like kind of a bad person it's a very natural thing to assume that you don't want eye contact because what marshall was saying was like i don't believe any of those stories about anyone because i was like with the person who one of those stories was written about and it was very clearly not the case but i don't know why like that the idea that tom cruise is in this one guy's experience a nice person i don't know why that made me really happy yesterday maybe i just need anything to hold on

honestly i think because of the things that i would make fun of tom cruise about it's not him being a jerk you know it's about him being kind of cringe like whatever he did with the in the whole stunts thing and like him at the olympics i just thought that was all so corny and cringy

driving a motorcycle off of a jump into a gorge and then skydiving down is cringe

The tension around it is a little cringe

I can say that what's kept me from doing that Is not because it's cringe It's because I would shit my pants

I just think it's so cheesy And look at me Louie as they say On the old Levitard show Some people really enjoy it So I'm not trying to steal joy if you do like Tom Cruise But the things that I personally make fun of him about I don't think it's ever been like Oh but he's also a jerk I think he just takes his work Really seriously And that like that video that went around, you got to be careful with these things. But it seemed real of him like kind of dressing down some folks during the pandemic, but saying people are relying on us to make this movie to come out. We're trying. I'm legit trying to save the theaters here. I that was him being a little bit terse, but I think really heartfelt and it actually coming from a good place. And I just think that he takes his craft really, whether or not it's all for me, that's not relevant. I just think he takes it really seriously and I'm glad to hear and I'm not super shocked to hear that also he's a guy who can walk around with confidence and not like if Steve I believe Steve Harvey is a jerk way before Tom Cruise because there's I think you know there's a level of fame where it's not extreme fame and it's almost like you can be like almost like the pettiness of mid-level fame if that makes sense.

I will say that I haven't met many people who are at the level of Tom Cruise, but I will confirm, I will endorse your theory, which is that the people that I've had the most trouble with have not been the most famous people that I've been interviewing or booking for an interview or whatever. it's like the further down the line you get the more sort of fame adjacent a person is the higher the likelihood in my experience that they might be kind of annoying or have some weird demands or whatever

yeah and insecurities all that is to say

Jill thank you for helping me impress my movie producer friend with this podcast existing because of your donation Jill says I just want to say thank you to my co-bros Luke and Andrew who entertain me with life's little moments. The daily reminder of no mountain too tall has seeped into my brain, and that mantra has helped me out in more ways than I realize. I appreciate all the hard work you put into the show to share your lives every day. It makes my world a little less lonely. Aw, thanks, Jill. We're, you know, still trying to cure global loneliness. I don't know. I haven't looked at the downloads lately. I don't know what direction we're going in with that, but we're trying over here.

Let me just say that our direction has been consistent since I joined the show. And I'll let you interpret that however you'd like. It's been described as flat. The people at Libsyn have described it.

For my plug, I wanted to remind everyone that it's a year or less until the next Olympics and Paralympics. The Milan-Cortina 2026 Winter Games will be spread across northern Italy. And if the Italian Organizing Committee doesn't get its act together, also Lake Placid, New York. I don't think that's ever

happened like so it sounds like the winter olympics might happen in two different not just countries but two different continents that seems like it would be difficult it would be it would seem to be challenging well lake placid of course has like all of the uh i think that's one of the big olympic winter sports training centers at least i know they have like very involved like bobsled tracks and luge shoots and things like that. So I guess that kind of makes sense. They're going to be fantastic. So if you get a case of Olympic or Paralympic fever and binge on watching niche sports, join me at my podcast, Keep the Flame Alive. We have weekly episodes about all things related to the games right now, and we'll be on daily during the games. It's so much fun. Keep the flame alive on your podcatcher, or here's the website flamelivepod.com so flame we know how to spell that and then livepod.com that is very cool i remember this coming up in a previous message from jill and thinking i gotta go check that out and i gotta go check that out like i love the idea too that that they're going to be doing this every day during the olympics that's the that's like i have no personally no particular like i wouldn't say i don't have a huge desire to cover the olympics as a broadcaster nor is anyone asking me to but what i actually love about watching the olympics is because it's like two weeks it's almost it's like a two-week plot line and like i do think it'd be fun to be one of those hosts at the olympic village and that's like in but in the studio and you're just like the narrative of like these different and then like oh this person's like winning a bunch of gold and no one expected it and then this person got hurt but they're coming back and like it it sort of becomes like the thing that i like about live broadcasting is is almost the plot lines that kind of develop within i don't know if that makes any sense like i just yeah i like the energy around i like a very tired mike tariko just like being like he's an hour 12 of covering bobsledding or something but he's at the but he's back at the home you know what it reminds

me of in a way a public radio pledge drive haha yeah just like the endurance broadcasting endurance

And like, and like, you're going out to the sites and everyone's doing their thing. And then it's like coming back, they're coming back to you, to Rico. And then it's like, okay. And now you're like, you're kind of, or like, you know, for years also, I think it's because for years it was Bob Costas. Yeah. And I'm a, I'm a Costas guy. Did he do something? I felt like there was not bad, but like, I felt like, I mean, there was something that popped up on the internet. I don't know, some months ago, where it was like, Bob Costas shouldn't be covering baseball. Not because he pulled the Tom Brenneman, but because he like, I don't know if he was like getting the calls wrong or something. And then he, like, announced he's not going to do baseball anymore. Do you remember this? That sort of rings a bell.

I remember him getting pink eye, but that was, like, 10 years ago, right? And that was also relatable.

As a person who's dealt with very embarrassing eye situations while on camera. Didn't that happen during the Olympics, I think? Yes, I believe so.

And he is no longer broadcasting for the Olympics. That's been a while, right? And you're saying – I'm getting all the stories confused. So I'm sorry. You asked me a question. I should have just said I don't have the answer.

If maybe Levitard had, if maybe it had come up on the Levitard show or something, because there was, I thought there was an announcement that Bob Costas made. Costas retires as longtime MLB play-by-play voice. But what was weird about it was, and again, this could have just been like people whose team lost in a baseball game and they were just mad, because that's a big thing. And I've been part of that, where like, your team loses and you think the announcers had it out for your team. So that could have been what I was seeing. Yeah. I mean, somebody just saying, like, Bob Costa shouldn't be calling baseball. But I didn't know if he had, like, had some major gaffe or something.

Nothing that I have caught. I remember hearing him on Levitard. It was like, oh, God, it was right before the election. But I actually listened to it on Election Day. I remember as I was walking to mail my ballot. It's funny how, like, I just that feels like such an iconic walk to me now because it's like the world was going to change very quickly after that. Yeah. And I was just I'd never.

When I was walking with my ballot, I was hearing Battle Without Honor or Dignity from the Kill Bill soundtrack. That's what was playing in my head. Is that the whistle?

But I just remember, I don't think I'd heard him talk politics before, and I didn't agree with everything that he said. He really portrayed Harris as being a very – he did not think she was a good candidate at all, which at the time I was like, really? I thought she was a fine candidate. But clearly, I'm not in many ways with what with with severance and other things. I'm not in step with America on this, apparently. But was it Bob Costas who emailed you and had you all riled up? It was. But Bob Costas, he was just like, you want to talk. We're talking about Bob Rivers just being the consummate broadcaster. I mean, just the ease with which this man can communicate apparently on any topic. is just astounding there was just I remember listening to it and being like okay I don't agree with that or you know I do agree with this or whatever but like he just he was just so smooth he I mean I I'm embarrassed about how much I say um or repeat myself I just don't know how you get to that level of just flawless communication and apparently he can do that on probably any topic

yes that's my sense with him and also he was just the again the soundtrack of my kind of sports life as a kid in a lot of ways you know any big national sporting event it's felt to me like bob costas was calling it and he was just so i feel like we're eulogizing him here and we lost we've already lost one bob this week let's not yeah exactly let's not lose a bob costas but let's thank jill jill thank you for your support everyone go check out flame live pod.com for

jill's olympics coverage maestro oh sorry now ready ready you know that was like

You're Cal Raleigh, and I'm Logan Gilbert, and you threw the ball back to me before I was ready. And I had to do that. Have you ever seen when a pitcher, the catcher throws the ball back, but the pitcher isn't ready for it, and they do that. I don't think I have. Did that come up recently? Involuntary shirk. No, it's just a thing.

Yeah, no, I don't think, I don't know if I've ever seen that. I'll keep an eye out for it.

It's funny because it's like, you could be the coolest person in the world, but if a baseball is being thrown at you and you're not ready for it, you just become very uncool very quickly.

Well, I know that other people have said this as well, but, like, the thing about me in sports is I am scared of the ball. Like, growing up, people would be like, oh, don't be scared of the ball. But at a certain point, you're like, no, I am a kind of person who is scared of balls being thrown at me, even if I'm supposed to catch them. So that is why I will never be good at sports, even though I still have many years ahead of me.

But you're good at darts. Nobody's throwing darts at me. That's true. That's true. It's not a sport where you throw the thing to another person.

But the fact that you didn't know that makes me never want to play darts with you. Because it sounds like a risky...

Much to learn. Hey, thanks, Amy Shepard. Hey, Amy. Who is our second dazzling donor today. Amy says in the pronunciation sort of part of the form, I actually want you to try to mispronounce Amy. Y'all have skills. You can do it.

Do we think?

Ami? Let's see. Ah.

Sorry, I stepped on your tongue. I didn't know you had an idea already.

I actually didn't. I was fumbling around. Yeah, me would be the most obvious path, the mispronouncing. Amy's in Memphis, Tennessee. Sometime in the next year, it will be 11 years since I heard my first TBTL, which is of Luke driving around while talking to Andrew.

I wonder what should—we used to do that more often. I did that a lot. I know, you know, we always talk about the Arby's one where you and I drove to Arby's, but that was a secret show for, like, donors way back in the day, so that wouldn't have been a listener's first experience listening to TV Tales, so it might have just been, like...

You know what comes to mind when we think about that Arby's secret show? Us just recording Cisco off of the car. Yeah. Like, half of that show was actually Cisco being broadcast on Cairo. Me just aiming literally this microphone, this shotgun microphone, just at, I think it was your car, right? just at the speaker we should we should like we should release the tapes on those since

i probably did at some point i think they're in the feed now let me actually see if i can find

that while um pretty funny thank amy uh so yeah amy we're not sure what we did that more in the in the olden days but maybe we'll do it again uh it made me very nervous but i was stuck in the back of the furrier shop with too many tbtls downloaded preemptively and a pile of linings to sew. A furrier is a person who makes, like, fur coats and things? That's what I thought. Or is furrier, is that actually I don't know. Is that, what do they call that? Taxidermy? Furrier. A person who prepares ordeals in furs. Furrier. Next thing you know, well, I became a 10. So in other words, Amy is sitting there staring at a huge pile of linings to sew and she turns on this random podcast, TBTL, and here's these two guys in a car and thinks, I don't like this but I've got to focus on these linings and then she looks up and it's 11 years later and she's donating money to those two dudes

Yes, I'm looking We have more Let's see, here it is, TBTL Road Trip concludes Oh, TBTL Road Trip concludes with a very special visit to a very special fast food restaurant We must have ended up maybe repurposing the secret shows because this lives on as episode 1607 who wants to go to arby's just so you know it is in the archives me

yes who wants to go to four seasons orlando me five people got that joke um it's not even a joke it's just me doing a thing that happened

on the internet there was a period of time there was it's some family you know like a mom and dad and a few kids and for some reason i think it's the mom is maybe holding the camera and she just says to the like little the family again maybe it's i don't know i forget who's holding the baby but a woman says who wants to go to the four seasons orlando and this kid who's like two just goes me and holds their finger up in this like extremely adult way like extremely grown-up

way. Yeah, yeah, gesture that they've seen.

Gesture that just totally, like, doesn't, like, you do not associate it with, like, a two-year-old baby in a diaper. Me! And they raised their arm and it became a whole thing on TikTok that was, of course, meme-ified. But anyway, that's what that was about. I like to explain old memes here on the show. It's one of Amy's favorite things. Amy says, next thing you know, I became a 10. Obvs. Years later, most of my loneliness has been cured by this community. Wow. That's a kind of second global loneliness reference today, which is really cool. Hollywood, Mike and I got to enjoy one of the best World Series ever. Shush. That Freddie Freeman walk-off Grand Slam has really gotten me through the horrors of what is going on in the U.S. right now. I do love Freddie Freeman, by the way. You know, but is he a doyer? He's a doyer. Yeah, yeah, that was

game one of the series, I believe. Wasn't that, like,

wasn't there something historic about that, too? Like, I remember it being, like, was it that The World Series had never ended on a walk-off Grand Slam or something like that?

Well, the series didn't end. Again, that was game one. I'm quite sure of it. I'm sorry, World Series game. Yeah, maybe. I don't know. I'm not sure. I feel like it was historic for some reason, but Amy liked it, so that's important. I think it was game one. Are you backing me up on that, or am I going to be regretting this later? You know what?

I didn't even know Freddie Freeman was a Dodger. Okay. I'm pretty sure. I'm very fuzzy on the details of that. Let's see. Anne's Yarnfolk in Everett keeps my hands busy with her lovely knitting kits. A true highlight to my Wednesdays is texting tasteful screenshots of my favorite dive bar's favorite movie to play on mute to Andrew on the text line. Yeah, Amy and I text back and forth. That's the content that you're here for.

That's right. We texted, and I was texting with Amy yesterday, sharing some photos of a recent road trip to Chattanooga, where I went to Chattanooga. Did you ever go to Chattanooga Choo Choo before, Luke? I know the song. Yeah. I don't think I've been to the place. I think I visited as a kid, and I got one of those – because as a kid, I had one of those little train engineer caps. It was, like, my favorite hat. And looking back at that now, that set the stage for me to wear those green, like, kind of Castro hats that I wear all the time. I had one that looked like a train conductor cap when I was a kid, and I wore it everywhere, and I'm pretty sure I got that in Chattanooga. Wow, Chattanooga choo-choo. Is that a restaurant? I think you can stay there. I think I'm probably getting this wrong, but I think it's like, I think you can stay in old train cars.

Oh, that sounds really fun.

I don't know that I stayed there, though. I think we just ate there.

Amy continues on saying, we got a long few years ahead, so I am glad y'all recorded on that weird day somewhere in 2014. It's gotten me out of a couple of emotional jams. Anyhoo, power out. That's from our friend Amy in Memphis. Amy, I hope you made it through that pile of linings in the farrier back room. Yeah. And we really appreciate your support. We could not do this thing without you. Thanks. Hello, and welcome to Top Story. All right, our Top Story involves some sky jinx, including this flight that was going from Chicago, I believe, out to somewhere in india i think was the eventual destination and um and uh at some point uh the crew started to realize that there were problems with the toilets i was kind of surprised that uh i guess it's a really large plane 12 toilets total that's how many toilets this plane has eight of them were plugged up and like i said i uh i didn't know that you they even made airplanes with 12 toilets on them but they they apparently it became like i don't know if unsafe is the right word but uncomfortable to a degree that somewhere over greenland they'd been in the air for 10 hours hours they turned the plane around or maybe they were in the air for 10 hours in other words maybe they were five hours out and then they had to come back five hours if they were 10 hours out that's a good point uh let's see ultimately decided to turn around near greenland and fly back to Chicago after spending about 10 hours. No. Yeah, I don't think Chicago over Greenland is 10 hours. I don't know why this is the point.

Yeah, I think you've caught something here because it says after spending 10 hours in the air would imply a 20-hour round trip. And I'll bet you you're right. I'll bet you that's miswritten.

Take a note, David Matthews, New York Daily News. But forget.

five hours still and then you turn around you go back as you've gone across america and now you're going to go back like and the crazy part of this story was that uh the uh the airline this was air india said when they finally landed they figured out that clothing and other items were found to have been flushed down a toilet quote from air india we would like to confirm that as part of our investigation into the incident our teams found plastic bags rags and clothes that have been flushed down and stuck in the plumbing this led to the lavatories becoming unserviceable the decision to divert was taken entirely in the interest of passengers comfort and safety okay one if i'm five hour if i'm already over greenland i will if i have to go i'll go in a bucket if you bring a bucket to me and you give me a little privacy like that's how much i don't want to turn around as a passenger that's like i would be like i would get up on the phone and tell everyone we're holding it everyone we're holding it for the next although by the way even from greenland i'm sure that's another like 10 hours to india that is a far far far flight

and also i have a theory that it's not just the comfort of being reduced to four bathrooms which i think if i'm doing the math right i can't remember the actual numbers yeah 12 down to eight I think I think this is this is not said in the story, but I'm wondering if also just the clogging issues and then people kind of late to realizing there's a clogging issue and people using the bathroom. Anyway, before they got to the point where they had to turn around, I'm wondering if there was an odor issue on the plane is what I'm saying here. I'm thinking that it was also the comfort in your seat. This might have been like a poop cruise in the sky. You know what I mean? Right, right.

yes very possible but again if you had four working toilets like i mean that's again presumably this is one of those gigantic planes there's a lot of people it would have been a really bad scene but this is just how much i don't like being in a plane that turns around i don't think i've ever been in a plane that's turned around i've been in a plane that's made an emergency landing that was a little crazy um but uh i don't think i've ever been in a plane no i that plane the emergency

landing plane did actually turn around but didn't but then eventually landed before you got all the way back from your um original uh destination or whatever we left from salt lake city we were going

to iowa or maybe the twin city we're going somewhere near iowa because my first ex uh was from iowa and the about halfway there i just remember feeling the plane like banking and i was like this is we're not going in the right direction anymore and then they came on with an announcement which was that some of the flaps weren't working on the plane and the airport you need those working and the airport that we were supposed to land at in iowa did not have a long enough runway for us to safely land without because these were the flaps that stopped the plane when you land or slow it down so we were going to turn around it was still a sketchy landing and saw back at salt lake because uh they apparently had a longer runway but it it did not it did not stop us from having to go through the whole emergency like crash protocol where the flight attendant literally is yelling crash into the thing while we're landing crash crash crash and you're like doing this whole weird thing where you're like have your arms on the seat in front of you and your head is down and the way they they were trying to they definitely did not low key it enough for my liking

I don't know I mean obviously did you ever get did you ever get back on a plane Luke just kidding um I I literally don't I I think it would be really really hard for me to get on a plane again after that like I'm you know like I'm not somebody who if you were sitting next to me on a plane I don't think you'd be like oh this guy's a nervous flyer but it's never really lost on me that we're hurtling through the sky you know what I mean it's very front of mind for me and I told you a story that was a little you know I know it came from a little bit of naivete of maybe not being in the air that much but like during a time when there was a lot of stories about you know fake doors flying off of airplanes and an emergency landing that had happened just the night before that was pretty high profile and i had been reading news coverage of um people nobody was hurt but all these people talking about how they're it was a landing gear issue or something it was and then i'm on a plane the next day and they passed the airport then made a you know a circle around to make another pass at and i kept hearing the landing gear going up and down and up and down which you hear from time to time yeah which always unsettling normal but then knowing that we were like we're right in the heart of all of these boeing issues and all of these things and then hearing something just like a grinding sound that kept going up and down and up and down i'm like what are they doing and i really was thinking is this i didn't think i was going to die but i remember thinking like i might be one of the people literally who is like talking into a camera saying yes it was the scariest moment of my life on some sort of

local tv station like my brain was already there i don't know that i could go through what you just described and then easily get back on a plane maybe even ever again there was something about

i'd love to i'd love to confirm with uh the listeners that i am a very brave i'm that i'm uh i'm unflappable and brave but i think it was that was unflappable that was the problem unfortunately I believe they said, you know, like I said, I wish that they, I wish they would have been a little more chill about it, but they didn't seem panicked. Like, and maybe I'm just like a sheeple, but, and of course, this is the training, right, for the flight crew. This is kind of their whole thing. They really didn't, I didn't hear anything in their voice that made me think this is a very dangerous situation. I felt like we were going to get to the ground safely, and the biggest issue was like, we might just go off the runway at the end into the grass, and it would be kind of like, like to me it's like get me on the ground and then well you know i i feel pretty good after that but um so i i don't want to overstate that like i i bet you you would have been a little bit less freaked out than you think but um i do know there are a lot of people with this latest round of you know very very unfortunate incident in uh in dc um with that airplane and that that military helicopter and then like the toronto plane that flipped over and there was a crash in alaska and like i've i've been seeing people who are like at the airport again this is like on tiktok being like great uh could we have could we not have this happening and have you know trump defunding large sections of the faa right as i'm about to start flying yeah there are people that it's in

their head and i saw a headline the other day i think i mentioned it to you off air boeing suddenly cranking out more planes like ahead of schedule you're like oh great now um there's that that screams safety to me too from a company that has been plagued with just terrible news yes let's cut

as many corners as we let's rush this yeah let's get this let's let's get this thing out the doors

quickly as possible anyway the other uh sky jinx story can i just well can i just say my one thing on that story which is i and i told you this before the show but i'm quite earnest about it like i don't know that any mystery has caught my attention as much as me wanting to know who put this stuff down the the toilet like you described so basically just to be very clear and i think you were clear but i'm going to reiterate it this wasn't like somebody who went around putting like clothes and bags and plugged up like eight different toilets around the plane apparently this shit with this stuff was shoved down one toilet but there was so much stuff that it ended up blocking up all of the the plumbing and affecting eight of these these toilets who did it like i'm so curious like i i am not a true crime podcast listener but i would listen to this like like what are the varying kinds of theories like somebody who was trying to hide something because they had an accident just a kid who was just like goofing around and didn't realize the the impact of their actions somebody who's actually trying to cause trouble on the plane i mean there must be a million other options but like what led a human being possibly a passenger possibly a crew member although that's unlikely because they would have more of an understanding of the impact of it but like who why yes i mean and it's a lot of stuff right yes

it's like it's not like someone flushed a sock down there which of course would also be a bad idea but like it's like bags and clothes and various things like yeah i wonder i mean the bag is what's throwing me off because i could see someone having an accident and then wanting to kind of like let's say flush their like underwear down there yeah try to get rid of the evidence that would be a that would be a scenario that i could imagine slash have also been in if i could have flushed my actually you know what andrew i did throw my boxers in the toilet at the kingdom when i was a kid and had my now world famous accident because you couldn't

you couldn't leave the stall with them in your hands i mean i could have if i was a better person i would have i would have in that moment you thought well i can't be seen carrying these

right except i was in there so long that by the time i left the stall there was literally no one in the bathroom except the custodian oh then went into the stall because he was waiting he'd cleaned every part of the bathroom except the stall that i had cloistered myself in and then finally i opened the door i emerge uh a different person permanently and then this guy could finally go over and deal with what i had left including and now i really regret this really in light of this story including my boxers which i just thrown into the toilet like i didn't know what to do a better move would have been to like wrap those up in some kind of toilet paper take them to a garbage can and throw them away. I didn't have the presence of mind for all of that. I was 20, Andrew. I didn't know what to do.

I was 34. I don't think I realized. So was the game over? I know we've heard this story and we've talked about this so many times. Have we? I always pictured this like mid-game and you just saunter back. But no, no. So like the stadium's closing. Everybody's like, where is he as the game is already wrapped up?

This is what happened. I started to feel unwell in probably the second inning.

Oh, okay.

And I held it for seven innings. Yeah. I held it, like, throughout the game. I was in, I was, like, in a complete, like, I was astrally projected out of my body for most of the game because I was in so much discomfort, but I was so embarrassed. I was not with my, I was not with my family. I was with my friend Mike's family. Somehow that added to my embarrassment because, like, I don't know.

Just the embarrassment of having to poop in a public restroom, basically.

Well, that and also the way that the Kingdom bathrooms, I remember they were just so kind of, like, upsetting when you're already kind of a shy kid about that stuff. Like, it's, you know, like a big trough you pee in where it's just, like, very exposed, and then the toilets were, like, kind of prison style. They were just, like, stainless steel, and, like, maybe they had toilet seats on them. Maybe they didn't. Who can remember? But, like, so I didn't want to engage with that at all. So I kept holding it, holding it, holding it. but in the holding of it of course it was just getting worse and and worse and worse to the point where it was like you know i so i was probably the ninth inning when i went in there and there was a line that was part of the problem is i was like five deep from getting into the stall there's like two toilets and and you know the uh the king dogs were coming back on everybody at that point so there's a line of people to try to get into the stall and then so when i have this like i you know titanically shit my pants and i'm still four people from getting in the stall

so there were people i know that we've talked about this so much but i i always kind of forget the details so there were people standing in line maybe even behind you like somebody

maybe witnessed this explosion a guy watched me because what happened was i was doing a i was i was involuntarily doing like a little kind of a jig yeah like a kid does you know what i mean i I was like, I was, I was, because I get there, again, if I'm an adult, and I get into the situation, I just cut to the front, I'm like, emergency.

I'm so sorry, I'm so sorry, I'll buy you all the beers later, like, yeah, whatever.

Or, God even knows, I mean, it would be super embarrassing, but it's like, I'm cutting to the front of the line, I don't know, I'm using a urinal, I mean, something, I'm doing whatever I have to do to not have happen what happened.

daddy what's that man doing to the sink what did the sink do to that man daddy that he's so mad at

it um so uh people have different ways of expressing themselves sexually tommy um anyway i so uh but what i did because i was a kid and i was embarrassed about the whole thing was i stood in the line and i was shifting back and forth and a guy looked over at me and i don't think in a bad natured way like he was my memory he was an adult and i think he was kind of like like kind of laughing like yeah when you gotta go you gotta go right like not trying to be uh make me feel worse but i got embarrassed even more and then i stopped doing my dance and i focused on like i'm embarrassed this guy's observing me i'm embarrassed and i took my eye off the prize the prize being clenching my sphincter and then it just went like a little bit more all of it yeah once you broke this seal there was absolutely no way that anyone standing near me did not know what had occurred i mean there's probably it was probably on the floor to some degree there i mean some of it was contained i get into the stall i close the door and when everybody's heard this story a million times but all of which is to say oh and by the way thankfully how do i get re-traumatized by this every time thankfully there was a fireworks show an indoor fireworks show after the game so what happened was i leave in like let's say the eighth or ninth inning i go into the stall i'm in there for a long time i'm probably in there for 45 minutes or an hour and i'm like just like you know trying to deal with this whole situation ineffectively and then no the everybody's like the the bathroom is empty at this point i open the door there's a custodian who's been waiting to deal with whatever this kid's been doing in there uh and i go past him and you know and then i as i'm walking out of the bathroom my friend mike and his family literally emerged from the tunnel this was the one thing that broke my way and there because they had been watching the fireworks show so like it it was kind of the perfect thing because it had that fireworks show not happened they would have been like ready to leave 40 minutes previously and so they came out they're like what happened and again this is this is the beginning of my life as a sketchy person I said oh so crazy like I sat down to use the toilet seat and some there was like shit on the toilet seat and it got on me and I clean it off it's a pretty a pretty good cover story for a kid who's just shit their pants because there's gonna be a smell on the Exactly, I was trying to account for, like I was creating

a plausible scenario why i smelled the way i thought yeah god thank a couple of firework

shows that night you might say the combustion became an explosion all right uh southwest airlines has announced that they are uh basically getting rid of their free checked bags which um you know i'm not a big southwest head but people who do love southwest are really mad about this Because I guess this is just the latest in, like, you know, in Iraq, they had the de-bathification project. And I think these are on the same level.

No, this is exactly where I thought you were going to take it.

This is like the de-southwestification of Southwest Airlines, which people used to love because it was super cheap. They'd let you check a bag for free. And it was Lord of the Flies when it came to boarding the plane and where you were going to sit. You just go sit anywhere that was available. and I guess that they were bought by a hedge fund or you know one of those private equity firm type oh they've changed ownership groups yeah I think like a year or two ago they were acquired by this is what I'm seeing online um you know I could be wrong about this the person who I said who I saw saying this online could have been wrong about this but the sense was that they were they were acquired by some sort of private equity thing or something something about their business structure has changed in the way that always makes things worse because you know it's like when you've got somebody who's been owning a company for a long time or an ownership group or whatever and they got a certain way of doing things you know they've got a little bit of attachment to that and then all of a sudden it's like actually we uh we are going to uh have assigned seats which oddly enough people don't like which is weird to me because i like assigned seats but i guess it's like probably because the ticket price has increased now because you can get your assigned seat now you're going to pay more they've also uh they used to have a thing where if you had your southwest miles they never expired or your credits never expired like there was they had all these like kind of like things that i actually think like if you're i i'm obviously a i'm a i'm a very very fragile boy now when it comes to flying and i've got to be on my airline alaska airlines and in the seat that I want to be in, et cetera. I'm very envious of people who are not, like, I'm envious of my parents in this way, that they just will fly on any airline that's cheap, and they will sit anywhere on the plane, and they will just do that until the plane lands, and then they will get off the airplane where they're going. Like, there are people like that, and I'm envious because that would be a better way to be in the world. But like, uh, apparently, uh, the, uh, people that were, had banked a bunch of, like, miles or credits or whatever their frequent flyer thing is that they never expired and now they expire so they just done all these little changes to things that made people love the airline and now the last thing was free checked bags for everyone if you are in the highest tier of southwest loyalty program you still get a free checked bag but for everybody else they got to pay whatever it costs now it's amazing to me i feel like checked bags are the gas prices maybe they're the egg prices of the sky like they are I don't know how much money they are in real dollars but in terms of just kind of like the the way that they're perceived how much that impacts people's thoughts like people really

go hard on not paying for checked bags you know or like an ATM fee maybe is yeah that's a very good generation is like she you know like she really holds the line on ATM fees like I'm not gonna pay three dollars for an ATM fee but it's like oh but she has no problem just like throwing 20 bucks down on some pull tabs that we know are probably not going to bring us any generational wealth but anyway so I'm not putting her on the hot you know on the hot seat there I just mean like we all have different lines in our lives I think you and I are both maybe you've calmed down on this but I know I'm very scared of like anything in a hotel room that seems like if I pick up this water will it send off an alarm and totally room service 35 like I remember going to hotels when i was a very young adult but like just starting to get out into the world and like maybe going job interviews or something my dad gave me some sort of code to use if i was going to make any phone calls from the hotel room because like i just remember like feeling like oh if you use the hotel room phone oh yeah and you accidentally call long distance we will be put in debtor's jail like we will not be able to ever walk the streets as free people again and i'm just so scared of

stuff like that totally i've told this story a bunch of times on the show but when i was my first production job ever in radio was working for this guy named wiseback at kvi yeah and we were at this hotel we were in olympia covering to whatever degree we covered things talking about the state legislature and they have a little you know we had like a little in a very very dilapidated almost falling over little house that was offices on the you know on the whatever the grounds of the state legislature

olympia and i was under constant pressure to like book all of these guests and nobody wanted to come on the show because the guy was a lunatic and uh and we were on like am radio but i remember being at the hotel room i think it was called the carriage house or something somehow i was working from the hotel room and i was just hammering the phones just trying to get whoever it was you know at the time like and uh and and running up like a my memory of it is it was like a four to five hundred dollar bill on the hotel phone that i think wiseback paid he was like never do that again oh my god but he was like i'll pay for it this time like i don't know he didn't want to get in trouble with kvi either but like uh so it actually did it actually happened and i think i was calling to me and i think the crazy part is i don't even think i was calling like dc i think i was calling the the legislative offices like six blocks away yeah because it was like because the call was going out of the building i mean these are the they did have the weirdest rule right hotel phone calls like if you were if you if your call was like exiting the building of the hotel or and this was believe me much more of a motel yeah than a hotel but um that's right say what but uh i i do remember having one one of those incidents where i was like oh okay that that is true these phone these phone calls are insanely expensive for no good reason and also just

remembering that near and this has less to do with hotels but just remembering that oh yeah we also had like like special cards and numbers that we would call or dial this string of seven numbers and i'm just thinking now and i know this has come up on the show before but like we did not realize we did not realize at the time that the death throws of the landline were going to be a bunch of like weird bill shatner commercials that said dial like these seven numbers then the number then dial these seven numbers again in order to save for your friends and family plan or whatever like there there was such bonkers shit going in going on with like trying to save money on long distance in the very last years of landline telephones

i am now trying to find what was that company andrew the william shatner one yes specifically Well, because I totally had, that was a deep, buried memory for me. But yeah, like, he was like, whatever that, and I think it kind of worked, too. I believe I used it sometimes. Like, these weird, long strings of code or phone numbers you would call that would somehow get you around most of the long-distance charges, or it'd be a membership, but then you could unlimited long-distance or whatever.

Am I wrong that he did a phone one? I thought he did. Because I'm getting a lot of Priceline. I know that he was the Priceline guy, but I swore before Priceline, it was more like late 90s, he was connected to one of those phone numbers that you could save. Maybe I'm conflating those two things, but you know those types of numbers I was talking about. It was such a weird era.

Yeah, and it seemed like such a hack. 10-10-2-20, right?

Wasn't that one of them? Was 10-10-2-20 one? Let's try that, because I can't find any commercials. sorry this is not my girlfriend back home wants to talk

how about this

how about this Andrew this is shockingly recent in my mind it's 1991 it stars one Christopher Lloyd as a cab driver who's going to tell these people about 10 10 to

20 my girlfriend back home wants to talk

oh hey call her Saturday man it's cheap actually you can get all your calls for under a buck any day really how dial 10 10 220 you can talk up to 20 minutes for only 99 cents 99 cents hey that's

cheaper than your clip-on nose right what if we talk over 20 minutes it's just 10 cents a minute

after that so 10 10 220 is cheap every day oh yeah if i had a phone i'd use it that's actually

a pretty good job oh my god there's one and there's one with hogan and elf i'm not even joking

I don't know if you want to. Okay, let's give it a shot. I haven't previewed this. It's just a 10-10-2-20 commercial with Hulk Hogan. Tell Sklaroff we're pushing the meeting. Oh, I forgot we have a meeting. What I like about this is it seems timeless.

My friends call me sensitive. I guess I am a bit. I really want to call them, but I simply can't commit.

Pee you! Me thinkest that stinkest.

Alf, it's about 10-10-2-20.

Well, don't forget the best part. 99 cents for all calls up to 20 minutes. It's cheap. Write about that.

I want to write about no monthly commitment, dude.

What about no signing up? Yeah, this is going to be great, brother. Got that right, sister. Dial 10-10-2-20.

I do love ALF. I'll see your ALF commercial and raise you a Dennis Miller.

Wow.

Nice scarf. enough to choke a moose. They're in a diner. They're in a diner, okay? Wow, they scarf down

enough to choke a moose. Yeah, tip me a lousy dollar. Thanks for nothing. Keep your hair net on. You can get a 20-minute phone call for under a buck. You've got to stop drinking

your breakfast. He's talking about 10-10-220. A diner, you can yak up to 20 minutes for

only 99 cents. All day, every day. You are a flapjack flippin' genius slappy. Say I talk

over 20 minutes big shot huh it's only 10 cents each extra minute i guess the dollar does go a

long way not a bad tip is it gyro or gyro is it gyro is it gyro or gyro here's my only here's well i have a few problems my one problem with this though the primary one is the waitress who's helping dennis miller is not wearing a hairnet keep your hairnet on she is very clearly not

wearing a hairnet i thought you were just concerned from a food service perspective

Well, no, because the joke is, like, I don't know why they went with keep your hairnet on when she's clearly not wearing a hairnet on. Wow. They scarfed down enough to choke a moose.

Yeah, tip me a lousy dollar. Thanks for nothing. Keep your hairnet on.

Yeah, maybe it's just a demeaning sort of thing to say. I don't see that coming from Dennis Miller.

Wow, they really, 10-10-220.

I'm not going to play it, but there's a George Carlin one. Like, they got some big names.

yeah i mean that's uh god what a this is why you do the show andrew that's right this is why you do the show we talk for hours and hours and hours and nothing happens and then we are reminded of 10 10

to 20. here i go once again with the email every week i hope that it's from a female no man it's

not from a female all right andrew i i need you to keep your hairnet on for this next section of of the show, because if I understand right, what we're going to hear is a hopefully family-friendly clapback from you back towards a clarification about something you said about severance, which somebody, a listener, one listener one time, chastised you about or tried to contextualize or did something that made you feel not particularly great.

Yeah, no. What this is is more of a general reaction to me from a whole bunch of people who have sent in various kinds of communications to me reacting to our conversations about severance that I think some are inadvertently insulting. And I'm getting to a point where it's difficult for me to talk about severance because here's what we're talking about here. I think it's absolutely fair to have reasonable disagreements about what you like in various types of art. And that's fine. I've gotten some emails from some people who are like, well, you know, you didn't like that one episode. But like, honestly, it worked for me because of these reasons, unlike like on a filmmaking level. Like I was saying the two episodes ago, I wasn't a huge fan of the filmmaking. I heard from a friend who actually is a filmmaker, and she's like, I really liked that episode. She didn't say, hey, you're wrong about that. She just said, I really like that. She was like, I'm surprised.

Hold on. Let me just clarify. So today I talk about my friend who's a filmmaker, and then 30 minutes go by, and you're talking about your friend that's a filmmaker?

Yeah, well, I don't have to, like, rub it.

You ever get tired of trying to one-up me?

Yeah, right. I don't have to, like, kind of, like, you know, rub it in people's faces. Drop a Cruise reference? No, this is somebody who's an editor. Anyway, but my point is, like, it's like, oh, I really like that one. It was the directorial debut of this woman who works on the show. And, like, that's interesting to me. And it's like, okay, I might go back and rewatch it and maybe with that context have different feelings. But it's still kind of like I feel like when I talk about the show, I'm talking about what appeals to me from a, like, what I like to see from a filmmaking perspective. And you don't have to agree with that. And that's absolutely fine. the thing that I'm starting to get a little chafed by and it's not one person it's like a whole bunch of things I'm getting and I don't think it's a reflection of my idiocy it might be I think it's more of a reflection of the tone of our talking about the show has gotten a bit negative and so therefore people who love it feel the need to defend it but what I'm hearing a lot of is you don't understand like you don't understand and you don't get it and I'm getting like suggestions of like have you tried like you know watching or listening to recaps And I got a note from somebody the other day. Whoops, I'm sorry. I meant to say. You don't get the show. Yesterday, and again, I didn't even listen to the whole thing. And I think I'm just in a mood, right? I'm just a big raw nerve lately. And so I'm not trying to attack anybody in particular. But I am chafing at people saying, oh, your opinions on the show aren't valid because you don't get it. And I heard from somebody yesterday who was like, you should go back and rewatch season one because you're clearly not getting it. And what I would like to say is I think. i'm not being clear about things first of all i did re-watch season one recently so i have now watched every episode of season one at least twice some of them i re-watched more than that season one of the tv show severance is quite possibly my favorite single season of a tv series ever like there might i mean i can't think of them right now there might be some other ones that would compete maybe we could do a top five list at some point but my point is i love severance the when i'm talking about severance somewhat critically and talking about certain things not working for me it's because i am holding it up to a very high standard that the show itself set and i talk about the show out of love and when people are saying in the you know people are saying hey there's all kinds of like easter eggs you're not getting you should somebody said you should look it up on social media i i'm on the subreddit sometimes i comment on the subreddit like i know about all of the fans i don't know hold on let me rephrase that i don't know about all the fan theories and the show is so good at putting a million little details and and like a breadcrumbs that i'm not getting at all and i do enjoy the discovery you brought up something in our conversation yesterday that i had missed in the latest episode about a connection between the intern program that that clearly winter born fellow yeah a couple of different characters

had attended and like i love that and so i'm not i'm not sitting here saying hey listen i know everything about i'm catching every little detail no i'm not and i enjoy conversations about hey did you happen to catch this connection or that connection and hey did you know about this fan theory and i know those conversations are going on i do not think any opinions i have though generally speaking about severance good or bad are tied to me not following the broad strokes of the plot i do think that i like something that is incredibly minimalist and because the show started that way i understand when when you have episodes that by necessity sort of have to be more maximalist it doesn't appeal to my sense of uh of aesthetics as as much and that's fine and i could be we don't have to agree on that but i'm just kind of getting sick of people telling me oh no no you need like i listen to a recap podcast every week i watch the show i let it sink in i listen to a recap podcast and usually i go back and i re-watch it i haven't re-watched the last two episodes yet but it's like i don't know there's something kind of dismissive and i know that this is just brought up because we're probably maybe being too harsh on something that people really love and so i need to recognize that and maybe it's not fair for me to go on this rant but But I'll just be honest, as a human being, I'm really sick of people saying you don't get the show because I think I get the show.

Yeah, that's fair. I think that's totally fair. Like, I also understand how if somebody really loves something and then they think that we're kind of dunking on it, which I don't mean to be. Here's what I'll say. First of all, I totally understand what you're saying, Andrew. I think that's a legitimate point. My problem with the show. Well, that's not true. I was gonna say my problem with the show is that I'm not good at I'm not good at piecing together these threads of plot or whatever. that is mostly on me. Maybe it's a little bit on the filmmaking, but it's probably mostly on me. So I don't think either of us are trying to neg this show. I will watch the whole dang thing. I will watch it all the way through. We were very, very, very on board with this show from episode, you know, the first episode ever and have really loved the show and love talking about it. So yeah, I can see how it would be triggering for someone, but I hear what you're saying, Andrew, which is the things you're saying about the show are not coming from a place of being confused. The things I'm saying about the show are coming from a place of being confused, but not you.

I mean, yeah, and again, I don't want to, like, make, I don't want to, as Greg Cody might say, I don't want to take a quiz. I'm not here to take a quiz. Like, I'm sure that, I'm not trying to over-inflate my ability to track every single thread, and I'm still dazzled by details when they're brought to my attention. Like, everybody's kind of freaking out because it's a crib that they were building two episodes ago. it looks like on the package it says Cold Harbor if you zoom in and enhance and enhance and people are trying to figure out does that say Cold Harbor or does it say something in French that sounds like Cold Harbor like I don't know like I'm along for the ride and clearly like and I understand when you love when you love something you hear people complain about it like us with the microphones you're going to have a reaction and that's why I kind of feel bad about this but I guess it's like this let me put it this way this is going to break down but let me try it I love the Seattle Mariners i complain about them all the time it doesn't mean that i don't understand like you know what i mean like yeah i mean actually that's a bad example because i probably don't i don't understand

this much about baseball but you understand when the ball goes over the wall that's a good thing if it's your team that hit it there like you understand how baseball works when you're critical

of them when i first started watching baseball i really thought any hit was just you just make contact I didn't kind of realize that you

have to actually but i think you should give yourself the credit you know but you know so

let's just say but like so when i'm complaining about the mariners i don't usually get people saying well you're complaining about the mariners because you don't get it and it's kind of like no i mean i get it i'm following the ins and outs i'm following the ownership stuff i'm following the the player stuff i'm following the offseason stuff i'm just not always happy with what the result i'm seeing on the screen and sports are very different from artistic endeavors and we can disagree about the aesthetics of these things i'm not saying i'm right and i'm not trying to convince anybody not to like the show but i could use a little less of people telling me that that i

don't understand what i'm seeing right disagreeing is one thing and and the listeners can disagree with you and say oh man you're so wrong about this i think it's great but the idea that you're you're misunderstanding it or you're not grasping it is what leaves you feeling a bit myth at least

for the broad strokes of the show again not claiming to be an expert here so that was that let me end with something much more positive again I want to

be clear if people want to hit me with that feedback go for it because I don't know what the hell

and also you don't read the email so

well I don't know what's going on with the emails

or severance I'll put it in the newsletter anyway I'm sorry that that was a little sharp elbowed but I just kind of I was definitely like I just realized I'm getting kind of triggered on these things I was like I'd like to clear the air there it's not that I don't like severance in fact it's because I love severance and I I especially love that first season, and maybe I'm holding it to too high of a standard, but it's only because the show set such a high standard, and I mean that as a compliment. I would also like to shout out listener Catherine, who sent us a package that I opened off-air yesterday, and enclosed were some, I'm going to mispronounce this, dodecahedron? Is that how you say it?

I've heard it dodecahedron, but also that was from Square One. That was from like MathNet when I was nine years old.

No, I think you're right. Dodecahedron calendars that Catherine had made for you and me and John and Genevieve. So we have a few of them here, and I'll get them to you guys. And also just a nice little note along with some newspaper clippings from her local newspaper. And where? Do you remember? I don't have it in front of me right now, unfortunately. Somewhere.

Were they clippings about severance?

They were not. They were clippings about local politics that actually I don't want to get into because they were severance. Burien, wasn't it? They were sad making. No, it was from a different part of the country. I'm sorry that I can't remember where.

No, I was joking about Burien because that was where you hosted your local political thing that left you a little burned. Yeah, unconfident.

Unconfident?

Well, thank you very much. Thanks for – I'll grab that from you when I'm up in Seattle, which I'm trying to think. When's the next time I'm going to be up there? If not sooner, I'll be there April 11th because we're doing live wire at Benaroya Hall. No pressure. Wow, that's a venue? It's a real Seattle bonanza Rick Steves will be there It's crazy how much people love Rick Steves I like Rick Steves, but people are like freaking out That we're going to have Rick Steves on there

And is that why it's been a Royal? Because you have that How did this happen? That is an intimidating venue

It is It's because If we could sell enough tickets We could make more money Maybe for the show I think was the theory but yeah it's like it's Rick Steves it's Kenji Lopez-Alt oh wow holy shit my bestie of all besties it's Ann Powers and it's wow the music is from Wait Ann Powers the writer the music writer yeah yeah I used to work with her yeah she wrote a book about Joni Mitchell so yeah and Ann did live in Seattle for a period of time and I think she's back in LA now but it's a real like a it's a real kind of Mount Rushmore of Seattle people that's April 11th please come see us and that's when I'll come get

the dodecahedron from you okay that sounds good I will vacuum before you get here my one of my favorite Genevieve stories I don't know why this makes me laugh so much but the last time I was at Benaroya Hall was probably probably a couple of seasons ago I just got a wild hair and got us some tickets to some orchestral performance and I can't remember the details of it but I was just sort of in the mood and we did that and it was a nice thing but Genevieve is not was that was that at Benaroya at Benaroya which is why I'm thinking of it and during intermission and it was it was there was a soloist who was I can't remember where he was in from but he was like some world famous soloist violinist and at intermission he did break a string at one point it became this whole thing you had to replace the string and at intermission Genevieve who's not somebody who's way into classical music me neither by the way I don't know anything about it I just enjoy it sometimes and enjoy the live performances we're sitting out or we're standing out in the lobby just by ourselves watching all the fancy people talk about music we don't know anything about music and we're just like sipping our ginger ales and then Genevieve just says yeah he was really just sawing away up there wasn't he which is one of my favorite reviews of classical music ever I think about that all the time

It just seemed like such a Ramona Quimby moment. It was very funny.

Didn't we go see, like, Bell and Sebastian there? Some band of that ilk?

I don't think I've ever been to Ben Arroyo with you. It might have been some other handsome man you were with.

Yeah, I feel like we went to some kind of a thing there. Maybe it was with Toon and them. Anyway. That'd be cool. I've never seen them. April 11th, please come. It's a big place. And the tickets are at livewireradio.org. Okay. Thanks for listening, everybody. We are going to be right back here tomorrow. God, it's Thursday tomorrow? What the heck? We'll be back here tomorrow with more Imaginary Radio. In the meantime, have a great Wednesday. And please remember, no mountain too tall.

And good luck to all.

This car was parked here last night. It was not covered in leaves. Now it is. But I'm trying to wait for most of them to fall so I don't have to come out here and rake on five different. Oh, let's hear what Cisco has to say. This is better than our show anyway.

And it's gone through many winds during the past winters, you know, so.

Good, yeah, no, as long as those roots are healthy that are going out, it'll hold that tree up.

Okay, super, I think. And you cut lupins all the way down to the ground, right, lupins?

Yeah, lupins you cut right down to the ground now this time of year, and then you keep your fingers crossed and talk really nice to them because nobody knows if a Lupin's going to come back or not, you know.

You know, I say this completely unironically. If you or I even had a little bit of Cisco Morris in us, this show would be a hundred times better. I love that, man. Every word he says is an audio drop.

Yes.

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