Muse

And we've become great friends, I mean close. We'll just sit in the front room, and we'll sit there. He'll walk, he'll go to the front door, kind of knock on the door, and then sit down, then I'll sit, then he stands, and he's out in the front. Then he'll come in, we just sit there. And he'll stand, and I'll sit, and then I stand, and you sit, and then we're both looking at each other, and we're just nodding. Like a couple of nodders, right? TBTL.

Okay. Ah, I've been waiting for this moment for months, and it's finally here. What's up, Joe?

Let the fun begin.

That's a toy, Joe.

I'm, I'm, I have, I'm easily, um, I don't, hmm. How did, do you follow? How drunk are you?

A lot to vary. I don't want to sell anything, buy anything, or process anything. It's a career. I don't want to sell anything bought or processed or buy anything sold or processed or process anything sold, bought or processed or repair anything sold, bought or processed. You know, it's a career. I don't want to do that.

What do you say we go out and get some Carvel? I got the time if you got the diapers. Jalapeno.

Jalapeno.

Well, all right. Hello, good morning and welcome everyone to a Monday edition of TBTL, the show that just might be too beautiful to live. It's an audiophile's nightmare. My name is Luke Burbank. I am your host, coming to you from beautiful Burbank, California, in the prestigious urgent care district along Pass Avenue and Oak Street. Yes, here we are in Los Angeles, or more technically Burbank, because I'm going to be off interviewing Jay and Mark Duplass the Duplass brothers here in an hour or so and I gotta say I don't usually feel nerves around these TV interviews but I'm a little you know

I'm like seriously excited I'm kind of shy but mostly excited

these are a couple of guys who've made a lot of stuff that I've watched over the years and as I was digging into it over the weekend I found myself really wanting to do a good job with this, which is a rare feeling for me. I'm going to try to do a good job here on episode 4,424 in a collector series, which is where we've arrived. Let the fun begin. When I wasn't obsessing over the oeuvre of the Duplass brothers over the weekend, I was basking in a very hot, hot tub in an upscale spa in Portland. I feel warm and I'm levitating Getting the silent treatment But kind of liking it We'll talk about that too Oh, you know who I want to tell that about I want to tell my good friend The longest running co-bro of the show Maybe Call it Friendo Maybe best known for his depictions of the tall ships He's a known hot tub enthusiast He's Andrew Walsh And he's joining me right now Good morning, my friend

Good morning, Luke Sorry if I'm a little distracted I'm giving Genevieve beat-by-beat updates of the minute behavior of our cats, because one of them just emerged from the closet for like the first time in three weeks. Wow.

Yeah, you said right before the show that you needed to deal with something cat-related, but it might be good.

Yeah, our situation, I've mentioned this on the show a while back. I think I did. It's been kind of an ordeal for the past. Now it's been at least three weeks, but a quick recap. About a year ago, last February, out of the blue, Professor Banana stopped eating, We were very, very concerned. She lost energy. I really thought it was bye-bye time. But luckily it wasn't. She had pancreatitis, we think. There's never anything super conclusive about this stuff.

Got to cut back on her drinking.

We cut back on her drinking a little bit. I mean, weekends, holidays and nights and weekends. It's called the Framley Plan. It's called the Catley Plan. Anyway, so that was a year ago. She ended up getting through that, through various medicines, you know, appetite stimulants and that type of thing. and then she was fine for a year and then we thought we saw that happening again almost exactly a year later as in about a month ago and she kind of was losing her appetite and definitely like kind of like holing up in this one little this very deep storage cupboard almost like closet thing we have down in the basement and you know she's been holing up in there and so we took her to the doctor again ran the same battery of tests still nothing like super concerning like you know She's 15 years old. She has root beer for blood. But aside from that, like, she's in good shape. And so it was just one of those things. It's like, well, how do you solve a problem like Professor Bananas? And anyway, so it's been this big mystery. And now she's eating and has been for, like, weeks.

weeks but like she only comes out of her closet like the good news is all of her vitals are great she's using the litter box she's drinking water and she's eating twice a day and then some snacks here and there but she's just so nervous all the time she she's always been a nervous cat but she will not leave this closet it's been weeks now she comes out you know she'll do her business she'll eat a little bit but then she immediately goes back in immediately and just you know it's just it's you know emotionally draining frankly i love this cat and she's like clearly something's not right with her the doctors don't really have any ideas other than to like spend a lot more money on tests that will maybe tell us stuff that is either inconclusive or would cause us to spend a lot more money to you know go to extreme measures for a cat who's you know getting up there you know like you have to think about these things somewhat logic because they're a black box right

I mean, seriously, like they can't tell you how they're doing. And so, you know, and vets obviously are highly trained and very smart individuals. But at some point it's kind of like, well, we could throw $3,000 more at this and then see what happens.

Right. And then and then and then also it's like, well, then there's something wrong with her brain. Do you want to have some sort of severance like operation in the basement? And you're like, well, I don't know if we want to go through those extreme measures for a cat, you know, put put her through that kind of stress.

She just got back from her orc bow. She hasn't been right.

That's right. It's really unclear if this is her in-ear or her out-e that we're even dealing with here. So all of that is to say the reason I'm a little bit distracted now is so we had kind of a normal morning here. You and I dialed up a little bit earlier. And so you throw in another cat, and that just sort of adds to, like, the mixture of things. He follows her around everywhere. He's poking her all the time, like, when she is walking around. And he's not a mean cat. I'm talking about bingo here. her younger brother um but i think when she's feeling super fragile she doesn't need that in her life so we're like okay i don't know what would she be acting like if he wasn't around you know anyway i'm upstairs i'm getting some coffee you and i are just about to dial up genevieve says goodbye walks out the front door and then i turn around and who's behind me but professor bananas and she's like hey buddy what's going on i'm like hey and she's like hey is that bingo's food over there do you leave some i'm like yeah bingo weirdly left some food in his bowl this is all going on this is all exactly the transcript i'm reading from the court verbatim here i can't believe he's wearing that hat in a meeting and he said i the guy at the store said i can't get grease on it uh i'm sorry in professor banana's pocket for people who have no idea what i'm talking about i've just like randomly half dropped unexplained references from a whole bunch of things into this tirade but all of that is to say i turn around and there's bananas and she's like i want to eat some of bingo's food i'm like do it do it my dude and so i was very excited and i was like well what's happening can i get her to stay upstairs can i get her to like relax but then i had to come in here and turn my back on the whole situation and now she's back in her closet again which makes me think that he you know she probably caught a whiff of bingo you know maybe and again i don't think he's being mean to her but yeah he's just being active and i can't keep them separated when i'm in here because i gotta have they all gotta have access to the litter box and all that stuff so anyway i was a little distracted but it was sort of good it was very nice i turned around and i saw something i hadn't seen in weeks and weeks now which was a professor bananas just sauntering upstairs in the kitchen being like hey bud what's going on

you're gonna finish that so i was kind of happy is it possible she's just kind of over you and yes she's a teenager like is that maybe what's going on here like you guys can't do anything

right in her mind i have thought of that she yelled at me you're not my real dad which kind of

do you think she knows that biologically she's not your child do you think maybe she's been doing

some 23 and meow research oh that's pretty good a pretty bad way to start the week no that's pretty good no that's pretty good i will say because i have a feeling and i'm not necessarily inviting this although you know i always appreciate people's concern people will probably write in with a whole bunch of theories like oh my cat maybe don't and that yeah i mean i i don't either way um but i one thing that i'm wondering about and then i'm sorry we can wrap up the kid the cat talk and get into your adventures and misadventures but the thing is like i almost wonder it because it seems so much like a brain thing like he's like she's so paranoid and so nervous and like at first when we were putting down the food she would like go up to it like she was hungry but then back away right away like she was scared of it like she'd jump away from the middle of giving her one of these churu treats that she loves which is like a little it's like a little meat uh meat tube it's like a meat tube it's like a ice pop remember the ice pops we had as kids

imagine one of those melted pops were the ones we would go with exactly but only filled with like

some sort of meat slurry anyway the cats love these things including this guy who's about to mute my mic if i don't keep him on the floor over here you got one cat that's avoiding you

one cat that won't avoid you yeah because he misses her dude It's...

situation i'm telling you this is the time where usually they'd be up on the blanket together having their like kind of post-breakfast like just like um you know uh digestive um nap or whatever uh but i was going to say she'll just like stop in the middle of eating something that she loves and then just suddenly run away like she was doing this a couple of weeks ago and i was wondering could it be a sense issue like could she be losing her eyesight to a point where like her instinct and her tummy says i'm hungry i want to eat now but then like she can't pick up what she's seeing and so it's just like and it startles her like she has some she kicks into some sort of

survival instinct because one of her senses that she used to have is failing her i don't know i'm

just trying to it doesn't seem to be your ears because i opened a can of cat food the other day and i feel that she could hear it from the other room um so anyway i i don't know but that's one thing i just don't think it's digestive i think something's going on with her brain grapes so her vitals are are decent though which is i guess yeah she's eating drinking using the cat box uh just like me i'm doing all those things too well let's be honest three out of four yeah i'm trying

to set we're gonna get you using that cat box effectively soon enough you've got to hold it

until you get there sometimes i'm just sometimes i just need i don't have a good way of kind of

expressing my feelings so i just go in the middle of the room the dynamic between bubbles and holly which is the cat that i got a couple years ago and then abandoned at my girlfriend's house and then her longstanding cat, Holly is kind of similar in that, uh, Holly is a pretty, is a pretty, uh, I don't want to say shy cat, but she just likes her. She likes her private time. And she likes to kind of sit on the couch in, in the living room with the lights out and just kind of chill. Like that's a great afternoon for her. And bubbles is hyperactive and bubbles is obsessed with Holly. Anything Holly goes like, and Holly doesn't hardly do anything all day, but if she does like if she wants to come sit by me and becca or she wants to come sit in like a box somewhere in the kitchen immediately bubbles then shows up and starts trying to get into the box with her and annoys the hell out of her and then she goes back to her little hideaway uh the thing is i don't want to be gross holly must excrete whatever that churu is from her the southbound end of a northbound holly because there is never a time when holly is walking around in the house that bubbles is not trying to human centipede her and on the bad end of it the the one that you don't want to get yeah um and i don't know what that dynamic is uh or what's going on with that but uh i tend to think of them as sort of like um like a sitcom where holly pretends that she's annoyed with bubbles all the time but secretly she likes it i don't know if that's true i have to tell myself that otherwise i adopt or adopted i shopped a cat that's what they say shopped don't adopt right yes yes exactly i shopped a cat i i've abandoned my child left her at my girlfriend's house and now that cat is terrorizing and annoying the cat that was living a great life by itself

there before bubbles showed up i am trying and i shouldn't even bring this up but if there's an awkward pause here it's because i'm trying so hard to think of what this sitcom would be called based on these two cats but given the description of their physical relationship everything i'm thinking of is just wildly inappropriate. Oh, because you're thinking of the butt stuff. I mean, the cleanest I can think of is Meet the Rimmers. And like that, even that, like,

that's further than I feel like I should be going. Rimmers is a plural. Yeah.

And this is more of a rimmer. That is true.

Bubbles is the only one who's into this particular salad tossing. Nobody asked for it. And then it's upsetting because... I know the theme song.

Toss salad and scrambled eggs, I believe. Yes, bring it back.

bring it back finally get kelsey grammar some of that residual money um the the the i mean the well a couple things on this i know i just said that she's annoying holly i think low-key holly kind of enjoys it yeah like that particular moment i don't think she hates it she doesn't run away like that's not when she growls at bubbles when bubbles is back there putting in work like i think it's probably a pleasant sensation um but then the problem is i can't look at bubbles the same way again you know after that when if she does come over you know and actually want to like hang out with us because then it's like well I just I just saw where your where your mouth just was and now like I'm tempted to want to like pet you and and snuggle you and be close with you but I but I just I literally just saw that and somehow with dogs like with Rudy and stuff I was able to employ I guess a little bit of um you know what do they call that intellectual no um basically like i could cognitive dissonance cognitive dissonance thank you that's exactly what i was trying to remember um where you know i i saw the gross things that rudy would pick up in her mouth out in the yard and stuff but i just somehow i could put out of my mind with the bubbles and holly thing because i've just witnessed it in the moment I keep can't I can't unsee it and it's it's it's affecting my relationship with bubbles as well well one of

the weirdest things about that particular relationship is they also have these little tiny ring lights and little cameras on mini cat tripods all over the place while they're doing that activity and so I'm wondering are they streaming I am wondering if they might have some sort of a streaming service or some sort of only cats situation going on I feel like I

also went to only cats I feel like there's something stronger yeah there is something

i have set up like i've got i have like sort of the structure of a lot of jokes today but not the landing on any of them so my apologies for the the lameness of the only cats and meet the rimmers i mean i'm just not i'm not hitting home runs today no that's all right we're trying it's the

iterative process i've got this on the mind because i'm going out to interview these uh these guys mark and jay duplass and i have been watching a lot of their movies a lot of and tv stuff a lot of which i'd already watched but then they also wrote this book and the book is really good actually it's called lake brothers and it's kind of a meditation on creativity and on their relationship as brothers but also their working relationship and the ways that they figured out how to like not totally get on each other's nerves but also they do get on each other's nerves but they have some systems for trying to kind of de-escalate and a bunch of stuff that is like you know they have this thing they call like 80 is enough and their idea is if they're writing a movie or a tv show or whatever they try to get it to 80 of the best that they can do and then they start turning it over to other people you know writers editors friends of theirs to kind of like punch it up and tell them what's working and not working like they just they they're just like you know we're not this is not going to be 100 we're okay with it being 80 of the way there and that somehow kind of like you know frees them up to try to be creative um jerry depoto would love that

oh my god he i'd take 80 as a mariner fan he's like we're only trying to get 54 over here

they are stepping back the duplass brothers from the movie making continuum yeah they're

pressing pause on the winning they're pressing pause they're pressing pause on the continuum

but um i'm really like i said i i really enjoyed the book and i had this weird experience reading it because i'm 48 years old soon to be 49 i'm no spring chicken but like i feel like if i would have read this book. First of all, they wrote the book three years ago, so this isn't even possible. But if I would have read this book when I was 22, I think I would be a filmmaker now, or at least someone who had tried really hard at it because it's very inspiring. Um, the, the way that they just kind of tell their story, like basically their career, the, the, the short version is they were, uh, you know, these kind of, these brothers who were really interested in film and stuff. And they were always trying to make stuff and make little short films and whatever. And they got, they, they, after college, they got this job making a documentary for a.com and, uh, it would pay it a lot of money. So they had all this money in the bank for making this documentary. Ironically, uh, the.com shut down when they delivered the movie because the bubble burst. So no one ever saw the documentary, but the check cleared. So they had this money and then they spent all of their money on this feature film that they made called vince del rio which is the only name that sounds more made up than luke burbank vince del rio and uh they made this whole entire movie with a professional crew and actors and they edited it and they realized it wasn't good like and they just buried it which is a crazy thing like i can't believe that they had the the discipline to do that I think I would have put out whatever piece of garbage it was because it just was it was you know it was our life savings and our life's work so then they're just kind of like living in a shitty apartment in in outside of Austin and now they're getting towards 30 and they have this little editing business but it's kind of barely struggling along and the story goes one day uh Mark Duplass just like gets up off the couch they're watching raising arizona and he just says to jay the brother goes we're making a film today and he he drives to 7-eleven and you'll like this to get a mini dv tape they had like one of those you know kind of like one chip like digital cameras that a lot of like it was like their parents digital camera um and it wasn't even that good but it was probably like a vx 1000 or something one of those one of those ones that a lot of people got their hands on at that time if they were kind of interested in trying to make movies or shorts or videos or something the big step up from like high eight but but not anything that's you know super professional anyway he goes to 7-eleven he gets the mini dv tape he comes back and in the time that he's been gone his brother jay duplass is like well i did have this experience recently where i was trying to record my outgoing message on my answering machine and i couldn't do it and it took me like 25 times and i got really in my head

about it. And then I just had kind of a mental health crisis. So he just says to Mark, this is the premise for the film we're making today. You're trying to leave an outgoing message on your answering machine and you're having a hard time. And so Mark just improvs this like 20 minute scene of this guy having a meltdown, trying to leave his outgoing message. And they have a friend edit it together. They send it to Sundance. It gets into Sundance and it basically like launches there the beginnings of their actual real career and like that's exactly the kind of story that a 22 year old Luke would have just been like okay my life changes right here I'm every day I'm just getting a mini dv tape and I'm making some kind of movie even if it's shitty like it was it's I find it very inspirational and it's weird though uh to get this moment of inspiration as I approach 50 and definitely feel like that door has closed long ago for a variety of reasons one my energy level be i don't think i have anything creative to say anymore like that the way that i might have at 22 i feel like it's a young person's game anyway but yeah it's very it's an interesting experience to be getting completely inspired to change my life when my life is more than more than half over

and i'm not going to change it they do usually say the older you are the fewer stories you have to tell that is yes true it's only young people who have yes but i just feel like my you've heard my story oh it's my wife it's my wife she doesn't laugh at my joke anymore that's what i was i was

trying to hey you want to know the next level of that new yorker cartoon imagine trying to re-describe it to your girlfriend and getting it wrong i need to just find the original literally i'm saying i tried to explain it to becca this weekend and i couldn't remember i go it's something about how she doesn't laugh at his joke like he has one joke and she's like oh yeah i could see

that uh i swear it takes place at a bar and then because you here's where i'm getting caught up on trying to remember it vives and i literally had a physical copy of this i think she hung it up because it was so passive aggressive but um i swear it's like a guy a depressed guy talking to a bartender and he's like oh my wife she doesn't laugh at my joke anymore i keep on wanting to say that the bartender says why the long face but that's not how new yorker style cartoons work Usually there's not two different lines of dialogue. I want to go back to this Duplass Brothers thing. This is going to be kind of a ridiculous question, and I'm assuming one that you wouldn't ask them. But are they hiring PAs? But are they hiring PAs?

Does it pay $100,000 a year?

Was it a complete coincidence that they were watching a Coen Brothers movie, another brother duo movie that inspired them? You said they were watching, I think, Raising Arizona or something like that. Yeah, I think that's one of their favorite movies. Do they address that?

Well, not in that moment, but I do like that in a different part of their book, they talk about how there are stories of some of these brother duos, like the Coen brothers, who just show this incredible talent early, and they said, we did not show any of that talent. The first movie they made as kids because their parents got a video camera was Karate Master. There was really something going around in that era, I think, because everything that Peter and I were making, a lot of it revolved around martial arts as well a lot of karate films happening uh by white kids who didn't really know karate but um uh i i i don't know if they were drawn to the coen brothers because of them being brothers or just because they love that kind of filmmaking one other thing i don't know why i'm just here reciting this book to people but i just read it so it's really on my mind they got cable they grew up in metairie louisiana and which is like outside of new orleans by the way i was emailing with their dad last night which was kind of funny because i was try to get some get some more intel on them funny uh emailing with larry duplass but um uh they got cable tv in the early 80s and they talk about how they had hbo and hbo just put on whatever movie they wanted to put on at any time of day so these like you know five-year-old and nine-year-old kid would just be sitting around watching like kramer versus kramer on repeat and then like the deer hunter and just like whatever was coming down the pike on hbo like in the middle of the day on a saturday they were just getting kind of this film class of this this what's considered to be a real golden era of filmmaking which would be the 70s and maybe into the early 80s when some of these incredibly uh important you know films were getting made and uh and so that was a very big influence on them i don't know if that was when they were seeing originally seeing raising arizona but um But, but yeah, they, they didn't go to film school or acting school. As far as I understand, I, what I'll say is like, most of the time when I go into these interviews, well, one, this is where I try to make it a feature, not a bug. I don't really love sitting down and writing out a bunch of detailed questions and having a bunch of notes with me. One, because I'm too lazy to do that. But the way that I try to make it like a flex is I don't need a bunch of notes. I'm just having a conversation. You know what I mean? like I try to make it so that that's an improvement over if I were to be thoroughly researched and have a bunch of my questions printed out and I was holding them like I don't like I don't like that it makes I don't like looking down and referring to the questions I like it just feeling like we're chatting um and that is generally what I do I am going into this interview with a lot of notes and a lot of questions that are laid out in a kind of a a sort of chronological timeline I think because I want to do a good job and I also want them to like me and think that I am somebody who is not like every other TV reporter that they've talked to, which has been many, many, many of them.

That was another thing I was getting from the book is they're talking a lot and just other interviews they've done. They're so prolific. They make so much stuff all the time, whether they're writing a movie or producing a TV show for Netflix or acting in stuff or all of the above, that their time is very, very scheduled out every day. and uh and so uh one of the things they talked about is how like they end up doing a lot of media interviews and are basically kind of like is this a good use of our time or not you know like they're always kind of asking themselves is like they stopped taking general meetings when they were really young like a general meeting in hollywood is just like there's no specific point to it it's just kind of like a cotillion you kind of go around and you just get you know you have a cup of coffee with so and so at wherever and then you leave the meeting you always say we got to do something together and then like nobody ever does something together and they just decided at some point that they had spent 200 hours driving to these meetings over the course of a year or two and that that's about the time it took them to write a movie script uh was about 200 hours and they were like we could just write another movie script or we keep doing these meetings that don't go anywhere and so they told their management they're not doing those meetings anymore all of this has led me to be like i really want this to be a good use of their time i want to have my shit together i also want them to be like this guy could have we could have this guy could have been our third collaborator like because i'm never going to become a noted filmmaker in this world and it's okay i want to at least have the duplass brothers believe that i could have been is that is that too much to ask from a 90 minute interview andrew for them to leave going you know that guy from cbs if things had gone differently he could have been the third amigo you gotta

a mumble first of all they love that if i understand that's the core of the mumble that's the core of it i also assume that that is the style of question like somehow you'll turn that into a into a question at the very beginning so that they will retroactively regret not working

with you earlier that's that's one of my that's going to be my number one flex you know the story on that andrew is kind of interesting basically the story on you guys not working together the story on mumblecore okay so that's if you don't know kind of a style of filmmaking that's i think they i don't know if they exactly pioneered it sorry we've got uh some sort of a law enforcement

event happening here in burbank california or you found your sound effects box again and we're doing

blurs days and i'm for some reason that's what i'm going with you're right i was i was heavy on the siren the other day um mumblecore is this kind of style of cinema where uh people are are talking in a way that feels really naturalistic. And it's just kind of, it doesn't feel so movie-ish. It feels more just like you're kind of tagging along in a real intimate conversation. And I think, again, I don't know if they're the, if the Duplass brothers are considered the founders of it or just like people who trafficked heavily in it. But I guess there was a thing where basically at some point, Mark Duplass had a bunch of physical problems happening where he had a lot of like carpal tunnel and other things. Cause he was also a serious guitar player and a touring musician. he basically couldn't type and he was trying to write this movie they did called the puffy chair and he couldn't sit at a computer and he was pretty pretty freaked out by it because he saw this as like my job is to sit at a computer and write movies and i can't sit down i become totally like locked up and so he started using this dictaphone that was like his dad's or something and he started just talking these movies out these scripts out in a way that was not specific you know not the way that a movie script looks but more just like scene this is the person and then this other person and this happens and then maybe one line of dialogue that had occurred to him and this became the process and it actually he thought really improved I guess this sort of believability or whatever you want to call the naturalistic tendencies of the whole thing so yes but to answer your question I will be mumbling a lot in the interview but also just like it's

important that you lead with it that you lead with a very like sort of clunky I don't know half joke half question because that's what they want to kind of be known for is like that kind of that catchphrase that code word of mumblecore hey in all seriousness um here let me ask you a question that i'm actually serious about okay the funny stuff isn't that funny today it's just i'm working on my i'm just working i don't have my stuff today man i don't know i don't know what to tell you like sometimes you just go out there and you don't have your stuff luke how hold on this is i actually have a dude

plus question that i want to ask you that is for real but i also just want to say how are we still over a week away from opening day has this been the longest spring training of your life or not for me just going through something because i think the difference is you are a signing up for

fantasy baseball tonight and b you've probably listened to a fair number of the games right

already yeah here and there where i catch this catch can i literally bought my i was at the mariner's defensive strategy this year well that's one that's one position they have locked down but um i bought my peanuts already for opening day because i was like oh the opening day must be this thursday so i bought my in my tradition is just to my tradition for opening day is to stay at home and watch a baseball game but i do like to like have my peanuts set out i don't know if i assume i'll be doing it a solo again this year i don't know but like i already bought my bag of

peanuts and i'm like wait it's oh because they start out the season on the road they don't start

out at home um i'm not sure where they're starting this year honestly you're not going i don't have i ever been doing i think i only went to opening day once you know luke to be honest and i do want to get back to my question about the duplass brothers i really want to remember it um i'm i like going to ball games i don't know that i need to be there for the for the um kind of ceremonial big ones yeah exactly and so interesting yeah i think i've been to an opening day but i i'd rather go to more of a mid-season game when the crowd isn't there it's like a grinder i loved like college when everybody would leave for the weekend or the holidays whatever and then i get the campus to myself that's how i am you're a what's the

word you're a grinder you're a wait you're on grinder or you're a grinder no you're a rounder i guess you're a rounder okay let's use a poker term like you just like to go to a game like a Tuesday game against the Detroit Lions is perfect Andy times because probably the Tigers in this

case I'm going with the Tigers in this case oh you're not gonna they're not gonna play the

Detroit Lions I do not want to see the Mariners Aiden Hutchinson led Detroit Lions squad imagine

what the Lions would do to the Mariners kneecaps I can't even bear to think about there would be

no kneecaps left it would be bad Blanco's already on his third kneecap this would be bad news no So, yes, the Detroit Tigers, you like to go to a game that is probably not maybe the premier game for everybody else. But for you, it's like you can take the light rail down there and you can kind of do your little rituals and just have a nice time versus opening day is going to be so much Tom Huttler. And I say that with peace and love to Tom Hutt 1, Hutt 2, Huttler. But, like, it's just going to be announcement after announcement after announcement after honoree after honoree. It's just a it's a lot of folder all that none of which involves Ryan Court.

Yeah. And I don't mind the folder all I don't, you know, and again, I've been there for big events as therefore now I'm just giving you my bona fides like, you know, I loved being there for the all star game and the all star weekend and everything like that stuff was fun. But honestly, the crowds are ridiculous. And so for opening day, it's kind of like it's less about like the the pomp and circumstance more about the like oh my god like it's just it's so much harder to manage the park when like everybody is there because it's opening day and i'm actually well yeah maybe this does sound a little bit snobby like i think a lot of the people who go for opening day are probably less even interested in the game you know i mean just generally speaking than a random you know wednesday in in july or whatever so yeah i think that part of it too is kind of like oh everything just moves slower it's just jam-packed with people they're more interested in the Modi pizza or whatever that is than they are in Actually Who's Pitching, which is fine. I'm not saying you have to go to the ballpark. You have to be obsessed with it. But for me, I'd rather go there when the crowds are just a little bit less intense. You mean Mod Pizza? Is it Mod? No, no, no, not Mod. What's the one that people-

There's one called Modi?

It's not Modi either. Sorry, Bingo is really-

I see this.

Bingo just- That's right, my camera's back on. You can see he doesn't usually do this. We're all in a different place today, I think, because I don't know, everything's all messed up.

but um what is modi pizza do they bring it out with like a little like robot or something

no there was this pizza joint in seattle the type of place that i don't i still want to come back to the duplass brothers i have one more question for you but it was the type of place that we have to

get back to the duplass brothers but it has to get onto the subject of somebody kind of like allowing something bad to happen so that we can use the word duplass it is because i feel like That'd be a really strong show title. So anyway. Yeah, I like that. What's Modi Pizza's deal?

Is it Moto, maybe? M-O-T-O. Is that the one? It existed outside of the Mariners realm for a long time, and people were on waiting lists. Like, literally, I remember getting a text from my friends. Oh, I'm looking this up. Yeah, I've never heard of this place. We were going to do, somebody on a text thread said, hey, do you want to do something? I was like, no, the pizza that I ordered four months ago was finally ready for me. Like, I'm not joking. It's like one of those kinds of things. And then they opened one like a little stand in the in the ballpark. And so there's like huge.

lines for this pizza that like i don't know what their deal is now but literally people were on waiting list for months to get one of these pizzas so they could bring it home and take pictures of it for instagram i mean enjoy it um so you're just saying like that's not what draws you to the ball exactly i'd rather go to the ballpark on more of a day when it's just like it's a little the crowds aren't quite as intense and um uh and i can just uh go about my merry business okay so here's what i want to ask you this is not fun or funny it's just relevant to our lives and i'm wondering you were that can be a thing that could be a thing you're talking about kind of broing down with the duplass brothers like you are three men in the rare circle who've all been to larima australia like that's oh yes come up right oh yes and this is okay so this is the thing

i'm sitting on well i'm sitting on three kind of um three overlaps with them of life and i'm not sure when or if to deploy them and if it just makes me seem thirsty or if it makes me seem relatable or if it even matters and one of them is a really sad thing actually so the sad one is you know i was friends with the director lynn shelton who passed away very unexpectedly and who worked on a lot of films with them so we have this mutual friend probably not going to start there because it's just kind of a bummer but then the other one is uh many years ago we did a live wire excuse me we did a detroit lions excuse me we did a tbtl event in eagle rock california we did it in fact the very bowling alley that i had once exaggerated about trying to purchase

you own that place now or what what's the deal with it's a lot of lawyer you know lawyers and and legalese and sure that's why you don't take meetings anymore yeah uh there was a a bowling

alley in Eagle rock that I was always really charmed by. And, um, and we did a TBTL like meetup there years ago. This was like, right. I think pretty shortly after we became maybe a podcast only or something like we weren't on the radio if I remember right. Um, but, uh, we did that in Eagle rock and somebody at the time who I lived in the, I think the guest house of the duplass family uh was a big big tbtl listener and she came to the to the tbtl event and she brought katie azelton who is the actress and also uh married to mark duplass and the co-star of the puffy chair and also was on that show the league and has done a whole bunch of stuff so mark duplass his wife was dragged to a tbtl event 15 years ago which just seems funny to me because she must have like what exactly is this she seemed very nice in our brief chat um and then the third one is that you just pointed out and this is actually the best one they made that documentary about larima about patty moriarty going missing from the pink panther pub and uh we of course also went to larima that is a weird weird thing for all of us to have done by the way assuming that

they actually went oh that's true they they made the documentary but they might not have produced

boots on the ground themselves i mean it would i don't know how these things work like my guess is that they went there and if so i would love to compare notes with them off air also wait

actually double check that it was them that might have been it was them thing it wasn't just one of them uh they are the same person i thought that that might have been a solo project of one of them but you have maybe so i'll i'll just double check yeah i'll i've got a half hour now just right now i'm just like just be careful when you meet them make sure that they both worked on it not one of them. Also, open by asking... Make eye contact,

give a firm handshake. Ask about the

guy who... They'll love this because of their just so... Such close connection to this and something they can answer. Ask them about the guy in the league who got cancelled because everybody found out he had just been making up stories about being... In

one of the buildings on 9-11. In Ground Zero

at 9-11. It essentially led to... I actually, when I lived in L.A., I had a friend who... Actually, he's a friend from college who was living in L.A. at the time, and he actually worked on the league um i think he was a freelance cinematographer of some sort and did it was one of his regular gigs was the league and i remember when this was all going down he's like yeah that work is not continuing now like i don't know what the plans for that show was but that guy

did not help things uh i feel kind of bad for that guy maybe i shouldn't because obviously that's that's a i guess if you call it valor so the story was there was a yeah this this guy who was a comedian um who had started out i think because before his life before he was a comedian he was in finance i forget his name and i don't want to guess at it because there's another comedian that

has almost the same name i don't know if i can pronounce it right steve ranazizi ranazisi

and he and this guy's uh story was his kind of bio he became a successful comedian then he got on this show the league and uh which was about a fantasy football league and the people in it but um he uh was always talking about how he had been in one of the towers when it was hit and because he had worked at like Merrill Lynch or something

one of those and it turned out he hadn't been there and it's a i you know that's a like that's not a cool thing to exaggerate or lie about because so many people were there and died or were family members of people you know it's like it's not a good it's not a good exaggeration even like brian williams exaggerating about what helicopter he was in like not great but like

and he's but he's also a newsman like that is what's so galling about that but in this case

it's like i i guess just i could see i could see how this story gets out of control like for this guy who's i've i've not seen him again i don't know if he's rebounded from this i certainly haven't noticed him in the pop culture since this kind of went down but like he um you know i could see how it was like he was in new york you know on 9-11 probably he was in new york but then like you know you're talking about it with people and then you're like you're sort of getting closer to the event you're like i was i was you know below 16th or whatever i was like i was down near the tower and then it was like i was i was working at a financial company but i was a cross town at the other office but it was still crazy because i lost color like you just and you're kind of like you're sort of echo locating you're kind of like upping the the drama factor of the story and you're getting a stronger and stronger reaction and then at one point you're just lying and saying yeah i was in the tower and i got out or i was supposed to go to the tower that day or whatever his exact lie was and then you're just now you're now you're stuck with it now you've been saying it to a bunch of people and then to have it exposed like that oof i mean again a bad

thing to lie about but man i i kind of feel for the guy so um i'm on his website now and it says 2024 is going to be a big year yes he's squarely in the driver's seat no it is honestly it's a little fingers ran it's a little bit like that um website what is the name of the guy we're making

fun of from the eagles don fingers felder don fingers the man who brought the rock edge to the

eagles i mean i know that i started a tradition today of just like just saying absolute babble stream of consciousness babble of references that were never explained but um anyway it is kind of interesting because the website is clearly up to date as far as his touring schedule is concerned he's hitting um uh hilarities uh later on this month uh in 10 days that's alex baldwin's wife right that's in cleveland it is oh i'm sorry hilaria hilaria world of depression uh one of our greater show titles actually going to cleveland in 10 days um and then oh look it looks like doing a few few shows in cleveland actually coming up all of that is to say the the the calendar is up to date but the bio is um still just says he's been making audiences laugh currently he stars and writes alongside katie aselton mark duplass nick kroll jonathan lajoy and paul sheer on the critically acclaimed fx comedy series the league which i do not believe he is current i mean

literally the word currently i would say none of those people are doing that right now i would say

let's update that and while we're talking about websites how about this headline from eater seattle this is from 2023 seattle's buzziest pizza is so popular you can't order it moto pizza has a months-long waiting list even after opening a second location what's all the fuss about i added the Seinfeldian voice to the last line of that? Oh, you did? Yeah, that was me just interpreting it, but this is from a couple of years ago, so I don't know what the deal is now, but I was just proud of myself for getting some of the details right. Yeah, you were absolutely right. I mean, not the name of it, but I knew it was pizza that you had

to wait for. Yeah, I'm sorry that I doubted you. I just had never heard of Moto Pizza that I could remember, and then also there was this whole mod pizza moment, which was like kind of a big thing, and, you know, Carrie worked there and stuff, but yeah, you know, I don't want to pile on or I don't want to tell anyone how to have their fun at the baseball game. If you can get some of that sweet, sweet moto pizza, go for it. I wonder if that's the best expression of it at the ballpark. Possibly being cooked by somebody who's volunteering for their daughter's gymnastics team fundraiser. I feel like so much of the time when I interact with a concessionaire at Safeco, or what do we call it now?

T-Mobile Park.

um keir egan park is it lumen what do we call it it's wait no it's glass block park no it's uh glasgow block park or whatever um no but like every time i'm interacting with an overwhelmed concessionaire most of the time it's a person who has literally showed up that day because their kids whatever activity has uh you know is raising money and so all the parents agree to go like work a concession stand area they've all had up to five minutes of training and they're just running around like chickens with their head cut off um trying to just sling dogs or whatever i always feel i like i love to see that they love their kids i also feel kind

of bad for them i love that apparently and i don't know if this is true or not but edgar martinez has been telling the the batters when he's coaching him let let the hand of cure guide your bat and i don't know i don't know if that's

really the energy we need to be bringing into 2025 but there you are we we are not going to be

able to finish what's the name of the project they have mark on oh um cold harbor we are not gonna be able to finish cold harbor without cal raleigh really really knuckling down on this

we was hoping for some razzle dazzle razzle dazzle that's right man razzle dazzle on your mark on your

All right, let's thank some dazzling donors.

Until that sweet, sweet Netflix money rolls in, Andrew, until we get that Duplass-style revenue stream happening across multiple platforms, until that point, this is how we're supporting ourselves.

That's right, by asking our generous listeners.

And friends.

And friends, exactly.

In the case of the first name on today's list, these folks are donating a dazzling amount of dough every month, voluntarily. They don't have to do it. They choose to do it. It is how the show can happen five days a week. We're starting with our friend Anna Anafi in Seattle, Washington.

Just saw Anna yesterday. Hi, Anna.

I bet you did. I see Anna on Blue Sky. I'm following Anna on Blue Sky, by the way. Anna says, it gives me great pleasure to donate in a dazzling manner to the work these three pod pals put into my daily source. of entertainment honestly and it's not because andrew threatens to tell embarrassing stories about me if i cease my contributions have you been doing that andrew um i have been um tamping

down a lot of the things that i there's a lot of good content i could it's called catch and release

it's the oldest tabloid trick in the book my friend that's right i'm following in the proud footsteps of some very honorable men and do yes such as david pecker the inquirer uh let's see I love the community here. The Slack page is a great place for getting my warm fuzzies in pod pet form for sharing garbage anxiety and even sharing real anxiety. Wait, you've got real anxiety, Anna? I don't know what that's all about. I haven't seen anything anxiety producing. But okay, good luck with that. Also, the real anxiety about the turmoil in the U.S. I know it's John Richards of KEXP who has the mantra of you are not alone. But I feel that the most with the TBTL10s community, there's no quirk too odd that you can't find at least one other 10 who can relate. That's an interesting—I really like that. Sounds like a challenge.

Andrew, don't. Don't test it, please.

Because you've got some quirks that may not be echoed in even one person.

Have you heard of Only Cats? Okay. Have you heard about this new sitcom that Luke is working on?

Yes. um yeah the idea that like that the tens community which is again a small but incredibly loyal and loving and supportive group of folks that in that community there's a good chance that whatever you're into whatever your hobby is or a part of the show you love or a part of the show you hate or whatever there's probably some person out there in the tens community who kind of feels the same way and that's a nice thing that's feels really good to feel less alone in this world uh looking

forward to any live event secret cabal of just like blurs day lovers out there who are too ashamed to show their face at most in most popular social media circles sorry go ahead

uh anna says uh anna says looking forward to any a live event that i can attend uh and friendo meetups for 2025 that seems like a gentle reminder from anna um i've got over 200 characters left what can i say but that's a pretty good spoof power out thank you well thank you anna really appreciate you uh for all the contributions to the show monetarily but also just you know content wise and being a friend uh and also helping andrew out on the pop-up like uh

i more help anna out of the pop-up these days that's fair no that's actually fair so you're

Welcome, Anna. Maestro?

On your mark. On your mark. Get set. Get set. Now ready. Ready. Go. Everybody rattle, rattle.

Oh, my goodness. It's our friend Nick Marchant in Bothell, Washington.

We probably said this last time, but the pronouncer that Nick offers, and I think we always say Marchant, and the pronouncer is marsh, like, you know, like a, how would you describe it, a swampy area.

Yes, somewhere it needs to be drained.

A-U-N-T. And the thing is, that's regional, right? Have we already done this with Nick's name? Like, I would say Ant there. So is it Marsh Ant? But probably not. Because you would just do Ant like the insect.

Well, you know what's funny is that I would say Ant, like my Aunt Mary Lou. But in this case, I would say Aunt. And I don't know. I could be doing it right. I could be doing it wrong.

No, I think you're right. Because if it was Ant, it would just be spelled like A-N-T. A-N-T. So anyway, just interesting.

Interesting there. Nick

is in Bothell Washington now here's what comes to my mind was it our friend broadcast Barry who sent us a a still photo from I want to say it might have been Harry and the Hendersons some movie set in Seattle in like the 80s or 90s where okay every time Bothell Washington comes up we go on a 20-minute conversation about the sign that says welcome to Bothell for a day or a lifetime that's a that's a frequent uh you know hobby horse of mine but this thing that barry i think it was barry sent us it could have been jay dog jay hauser one of these one of one of our friends uh who send us things and it was a picture that said it was a sign that said welcome to seattle

for a day or a lifetime but it was in a movie yes that's right everything and i was mad because i

was like i think they stole that from bothell yes because i lived i grew up in seattle i drove those roads i've i've worked these streets and not in that way uh thankfully but um but like and i also grew up going to church up near bothell and i vividly remember the bothell sign and i'd never seen a seattle sign and i have a feeling some you know uh production person on this movie saw the bothell sign and then speaking of stolen valor stole that valor and then brought it down to

seattle yes i bet you like a scouting crew yes they were like oh this is a great little sign but like let's make that a seattle thing i'm going back yes by the way i'm very disappointed you me and barry have not texted since february 23rd australia right now he's running in australia i know because i see his strava thing so i'm looking oh yeah there it is okay i saw that okay the movie was say anything it took me forever i saw this in the movie say anything i just don't know what to believe anymore says our friend barry and it's a picture of a sign that says welcome to seattle for a day or a lifetime and it looks like it's almost say anything set in seattle i think so i've never seen say anything boy do i ever need to re-watch that movie or something

i thought it was i believe you i didn't i can't believe i i can't believe i wasn't clocking that as a kid who grew up in seattle like i was i was i was you know obsessed with anything that referenced the city i was in i also was probably not allowed to see a movie like that at that time but it's probably considered fresh.

It says it takes place in Seattle and some scenes were filmed in L.A., but I'm just kind of grabbing this like off of the internet scrubber AI thing here.

Okay, well, back to Nick Marsh-Aunt who's in Bothell, Washington, the original home of For a Day or a Lifetime. Nick says, hey, fellas, you guys have been a bit of sunshine in my pod catcher for years. Somehow this funny little show has become appointment listening for me and I wouldn't have it any other way. Aw, thanks, Nick. We're equally confused as to how we've become this for you, but we'll take it. I'd like to give, oh my gosh, Andrew, I'd like to give a shout out to Luke and broadcast Barry. There you go. I do not, as we've established the other day when I was trying to say Gillian's name, I do not pre-read these. No, you don't even know how to read, let alone pre-read. No, I'm learning as I go. I had no idea this was the rest of Nick's message. I'd like to give a shout out to Luke and broadcast Barry for the suggestion of somebody somewhere growing up in both a similar family situations and a small town. It was great to see a group of misfits find community in a place that isn't always immediately accepting of the other i see a lot of similarities between the choir practice of the show and the tbtl community and i am proud to call myself a 10 keep up the great work signed nick now here's the thing andrew this is where it just keeps this whole thing just keeps folding in on itself executive producers of somebody somewhere

duplass brothers oh really you may have mentioned that i forgot now i had not remind me did you

watch any of that show all of that show none of that no i haven't seen any of that man i know you i know you don't i know you don't uh probably want me pressuring you but it is really good and like i was really really into the first two seasons and then i kept i don't know what waiting till the right moment to watch the third season and that came on friday night andrew because i was going to be interviewing the duplass brothers and this is a thing they've done and so i went ahead and booted that third season up and i just tell you i think it might be in the top five television top three seasons of television i've ever watched it is so just emotionally true it's it's the perfect blend of being funny and relatable um and not corny but also not taking itself too seriously the dialogue is spectacular the acting is really great i was um i was texting barry i don't know again he's probably in australia right now i was like updating him on every time i was crying which was a lot actually but not in a bad way just in a way of like seeing these characters on this show just um express their feelings towards each other in a way that because it's so well written and well delivered it doesn't feel corny it doesn't feel like a corny show that's trying to like make you feel a certain way or like now's the part where you're supposed to have this reaction as the viewer.

It's just such a subtle little thing that, anyway, I really, really love it, and I'm glad, Nick, that Broadcast Barry and, to some degree, me were able to turn you on to the show. And I guess I would just say, as a person who has now finally watched the entire third, and it turns out final season of that show, would recommend it to anyone out there. I'd start at the beginning, if you haven't watched it at all, and I highly recommend it. Thanks, Nick.

Here I go once again with the email. Every week, I hope that it's from a female. No, man. It's not from a female.

All right, Andrew. Maybe tomorrow, although you know what? I'll probably have a lot of Duplass download to do with you. I was going to say, at some point, I want to tell you about this meditation spa that I went to in Portland. Where it was right out of Dune 2. It was like a dark basement chamber With like tonal music Like just tones playing And it was darkened And it was complete silence And then hot pools and cold pools It was pretty interesting

I was hoping it was more like a white lotus spot Here's a thing we can talk about tomorrow on the show Because you were just talking about I'm blanking on the name of that show that you love What's the name of the show? Somebody Somewhere

How is it you can't remember such an incredibly specific name I'm like that thing, that place.

I don't know why I haven't been watching that. Some shows, like it's funny, like even like The Good Place, which is so filled with like love. And I love that show. Somehow I just haven't watched it. Things that I know are sort of imbued with emotion maybe I'm not drawn to. Not because I don't like them, because I'm like, well, when I'm in the right place, I'll watch it or whatever. But I have really been enjoying just like it's been a while since like Sunday TV has been a thing in our house, at least for me to like sit down and pay attention. But, like, to actually be having two shows, to be juggling two shows right now in both Severance and White Lotus is just kind of fun, again, to, like, kind of be watching a lot of TV. And Genevieve has been asking me if you could choose one White Lotus location to spend a week or two yourself, which would you choose? And I think it's a good question. We don't have to get into it now, but, like, the current season in Thailand is amazing, but it's also a health spa, you know? And I was like, oh, I think I would choose Thailand. She's like, really? You're going to go to a health spa where you can't use your phone? Do they? Or do they have to go off campus to get that alcohol? Are they drinking alcohol on the actual?

You know, that's a good question. I think I assumed they were. Oh, they are. Maybe they never get one.

I'm trying to think because you see people drinking fruity drinks, but what's his name?

The trio of women are definitely getting a little tuned up in the first couple of episodes.

If you see some plain old brown booze, I think, with what's his name. uh walton goggins i think is drinking whiskey oh sure on the site i think so but it's you're

right it's not the it's not the thrust of the in fact similar to this place that i went it's definitely no alcohol beck and i went there and it was funny because they give you these cups because everyone's hydrating because you're like in a steam room and then you're in a sauna it's like and everyone's got these cups with them and the cups just have herbal tea or water in there that's it but it's but you're in a pool and it kind of feels like you're at when you go to this upper level it feels like you're at a hotel like a resort pool and everyone's got cups and they're

happy but no one has alcohol wait how are you guys happy if there's no alcohol in that what i'm trying to understand how does that scan so what i was going to do now though because we are a little bit crunched for time you got to get out of there i just wanted to not share an email with you from a listener but share with you an email subscriber report at one point i threatened or promised to do this every monday at the beginning of the show which like instead of stepping on a scale the way you guys used to just like let you know where we are with our email subscribers to the tbtl newsletter and i noticed today um usually it'll just every monday morning i wake up to an email from squarespace saying here's your email subscriber report for tbtl like do you have new subscribers did you lose anybody how many total subscribers do you have and i'll just be totally transparent with the numbers here this was a big weekend for us for some reason uh eight new subscribers over the past week. I wonder if that's from you talking about accidentally unsubscribing and then resubscribing. I don't know what caused it. I will say though I don't like to report this but we had two people unsubscribe from the newsletter. So I don't know what happened there. Maybe I said something offensive in my last email. Maybe somebody just consolidating and maybe you know I like to sometimes tell myself well this person didn't unsubscribe. They just signed up for a Gmail account and lost their Yahoo account or something like that like that's what i like maybe they moved there like that email is

defunct so they that's why that's the only that's the i mean i feel bad sometimes there are things that i am still subscribing to because i don't want to like hurt the feelings of the person or non-profit that i you know like you know whether it's somebody

sub stack or whether it's like a non-profit that i've donated to at some point but maybe i know some of the people there there are some emails that are coming in that like i'm always tempted to unsubscribe because i don't read them but i never do and i would just ask our listeners to have the same sort of you know uh extend the same grace to us and don't unsubscribe even if you want

to that's right never unsubscribe i am looking here i want so i realize you can't play sound from your end so I am going to play do we want drumroll or drumroll with cymbal crash? Let's do the cymbal crash. Let's give them the full service. I don't know if this, you have a really long version of this. This is not as long but I'm going to give you the total percentage change. We had some new subscribers we had some people unsubscribing and that gives us a 0.2 percent increase increase total percentage fanfare fanfare i don't know if i have that but i can sing it i was actually you know honestly you were kind of in oh i think you were pretty much in range right there yep uh all right there we go thank you everybody we did it that sound

we did it listen it's 0.02 percent here and 0.02 percent there and yeah pretty soon it's 0.06 percent wait is that how fractions work here that's not even a fraction oh i don't know what that is okay i don't know i'll ask the duplass brothers okay right after i ask them

about mumblecore and the guy who lied about 9-11 start with a mumbly question about the guy who

lied that's actually you know what honestly i told you i want to be efficient with this that's Perfect way to do it. All right. We are going to be back here tomorrow with more imaginary radio for all of you. So please, if you can join us for that, I'll be here in Burbank for one more day. In the meantime, have a great Monday, wherever you are, take care of yourselves. And please remember no mountain too tall and good luck to all.

Power out.