Muse

What are you doing? We're, um, cleaning out the garage to make it a rehearsal space for starting a band. For a band? Yeah. I used to play drums in high school.

Cool.

Really? I was in a band myself. Oh, yeah? What was it called? The band was called Myself. It was a sort of solo percussive group. You know, djembe, narimba, gonga, bongo, timbale, you know, just like, yeah. And you played all of those yourself? I played all of them myself. Wow. The Big Fork Daily called it really very weird.

Oh, that's great. Congrats for that. That sounds great.

Yeah, congratulations.

Okay. TBTL.

I'm gonna suggest that we have a little constructive talking time. Not long at all. I mean, maybe 10 minutes or, okay, or maybe 15 is also good. I'm not trying to be disrespectful or anything, but I kind of feel like you're winging this and it's going bad. They sound un-fricking-incredible together.

Bada-boom! You are in business with a couple glue-sniffing squish heads.

I don't even care how this turns out because I'm just going to eat hot dogs. And so that's all I really care about.

Well, all right, hello, good morning, and welcome everyone to a Monday edition of TBTL, the show that just might be too beautiful to live.

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New York City!

That's right, we're in New York City this week, baby. I'm very excited to be bringing you episode 4,429 in a collector series. Let the fun begin. Being that I'm right here on the edge of the Broadway Theater District, I thought, well, maybe I'll go see this very well-received production of Glenn Gary, Glenn Ross while I'm here. Just maybe buy one single ticket, see if I can, you know, sneak on in there. And wow. Sounds expensive. I was shocked. shocked at how much they're charging for tickets to Glengarry Glen Ross on Broadway. We might talk about that. Also, we're going to talk some sports on this Monday, but... I mean, I figured he had to be in sport, but he wasn't in sport. The thing is, though, this is important. We're not going to be talking about sports as in which team prevailed over the other team. We're going to be talking about a couple of middle-aged dudes trying to figure out how to even watch their baseball team this coming season um this is so confusing ron some announcement last week about the mariners and where you could and could not watch it and i'm honestly flummoxed by the whole thing hopefully andrew knows what's going on also the uh to me the main uh storyline that's emerged from march madness basketball is the hairline of the coach of the liberty university basketball team and

if you've got cute hair i'm gonna say damn girl you got some cute hair i would uh i would like to

I would like to pour one out for my brother in arms, my brother in doing weird things to your hair so that it looks like you have more hair than you really do because this guy's getting toasted on the internet. I feel bad. Hey, speaking of hair. He's got hair, he's got chutzpah, and broad-based knowledge. He's also the longest-running co-bro of the show, maybe best known for his depictions of the tall ships. He's Andrew Walsh, and he's joining me right now. Good morning, my friend.

Was I trying to make bada boom a catchphrase for a while? I heard that in the opening drop package. Yeah. And I have a vague memory of was I trying to make that my thing?

I think there was like maybe three or four days. Yeah. Where there was an attempt at sort of injecting that into the culture. That sounds about the culture. I believe the culture, there was some graft V host.

Yeah.

Sure. Issues.

Yeah. No, three or four days sounds like about the max that I will try something, whether good or bad. That's where I usually peek out on anything I attempt.

I mean, the thing about anything like that is it only works organically. The stuff that kind of sticks to the wall from this show, whether it's a piece of audio like Scott Hoy or kind of a bizarre neologism that we come up with, It's always got to be something that at the time we don't identify it as being in any way durable. Bada boom. Bada boom. Right? See how natural that was?

I'm making it organic now.

I was walking down 8th Avenue yesterday, and it was just most... Actually, you know what? If there was a place where you would hear some people saying bada boom, it's probably...

Probably New York City.

I'm bada-booming here.

Yes, I'm bada-booming here.

How is the big city treating you?

It's treating me pretty well so far. I have to be honest. I've been kind of been hermiting since I got here. I was in L.A. and took a very early flight out of Los Angeles yesterday. And then I got here, and even with the time change, it was still a reasonable hour. It was, I don't know, maybe like four in the afternoon. It was kind of a nice day. I happened to get this hotel room here that, um, has a sort of a view of, uh, to some degree, the Hudson river. It was just a beautiful afternoon. And I'll tell you what I did, Andrew. I, uh, plopped myself down on the hotel room bed and I slept for about three hours. Then I went downstairs and I ate some dinner and I came back up here and then I slept for nine more hours, and I felt like I was really not living my best life. I was not getting out and enjoying the hustle and bustle of New York City in the way that I should have been, but I just didn't have it in me, and I have kind of a lot going on today. I didn't want to be tired, so I just, I followed my body, Andrew, and it led me to, I don't know, 12 to 13 hours of total sleep in a

20 hour period well that's going to serve you what are you what are you doing there i can't

remember wait did i ever know um i don't know if i've mentioned it because i don't like to brag and there was a lot of correspondents at cbs sunday morning that were vying for this and they may hear me talking about it and i don't want to rub it in but i'm going to be um uh interviewing somebody at the uh pez dispenser museum tomorrow in orange connecticut oh that is fun and then on uh wednesday i'm going to be going to the uh a noted pez dispenser collector who's in caldwell new jersey so i'm for the design episode of cbs sunday morning you know there's a lot of design they could have given me the iphone um you know the hoverboards whatever else is out there they said let's put burbank on the important design story of our day the pez dispenser i think

i honestly would i mean this is just me and maybe this just because this is my opinion it might just make you feel even more strongly how you feel about this but i think the design of a pez dispenser is much more interesting than an iphone story like i actually read the iphone stories um yes i'm

actually 100 agree but so that's why i'm uh and then i'm staying out here because um basically what was going to happen is i was going to have to fly home on thursday fly all the way back to portland and then somehow get on an airplane and fly back to wisconsin because i am this weekend uh visiting a mustard museum and also uh judging a part of the like world mustard championship contest in in wisconsin so it makes the most sense for me to kind of stay out here for this week try to get as much work done going to the home office of cbs sunday morning and and uh and say hello to everyone and and then uh and then hit wisconsin on the way home and then i'll be back at the

madrona hill studio a week from today how do i not have dj mustard screaming i know mustard why do i not have that isolated i need that especially if you're just gearing up for this mustard story

honestly the only thing i've been thinking about with the mustard story is how to work that audio in yeah i don't care about anything any other part of the story other that we're getting we're getting that drop and we learned this together on this show which i think is a great little dazzling deet i believe dj mustard's real first name is dijon that's right

that's how you makes a lot of sense honestly i'm not joking you should i mean i know this is one of those episodes where all the pieces are really tight right because it's a design yeah it's like No, Mustard is yet to find a broadcast home. Oh, you're doing a spec. No, then get DJ Mustard, for God's sake.

Well, we know that he's partnered with, who is it, some big Mustard concern?

I think Hines, yeah. And I'm good.

Listen, I'm solid with the Hines people. I've already done, Andrew, I've already done a story on ketchup. Oh, that's right. Sometimes you forget what a big deal I am. You forget that I'm slowly working my way through every condiment.

I'd have to skip mayonnaise if I were you.

You know, I mean, I would, I would, I would, I agree with you. Like, first of all, I love mayonnaise on certain things. I don't have your aversion to it. But if I think about it too long and hard, I start to see, I start to see your point on the matter, which is like, you know, like raw eggs and I don't know, some oil. That's the basic, those are the building blocks of mayonnaise as I understand it.

oil and i like eggs i eat a lot of eggs we've been talking yeah but like mixed together raw

is not that it's not a pleasant thing to think about but yeah you know

I, I'm, I should be still pretty solid with the Heinz folks, because again, I've, I've covered the ketchup side of the business. I could think that they might be able to put us and put us in touch with DJ mustard. I know what exactly what will happen. We'll get a shoot with DJ mustard. and there will be three 26 year old women with hair parted in the middle and kind of wide legged cut off jeans that will be standing just outside the shot from the Heinz company or the ad agency that has been retained by the Heinz Corporation and their job is to really really make sure that we are previewing all of the new wasabi mustard that the Heinz Corporation is putting out there even though I just want to get DJ mustard yelling mustard just to yell mustard yes that's that is

what you need huh you need to get do it in an airplane hanger why do you want to interview us about mustard and airplane hanger because we need the echo of mustard yes dj the reverb there's

another there's something else because the producer for this piece by the way i've already got young kim my friend who's producing this he's already on board for including dj mustard or in some form or fashion not we didn't think of getting the person this is our lack of imagination um i i love that you that you've helped expand that but um we agreed to definitely try to work that clip in and then there's something else where mustard is in the pop culture right now like i don't think it's somebody yelling it but it's like there was one other thing on our text chain that was like we gotta just try to work in as much of this as much of this uh you know mustard pop culture kind of stuff you know mustard is having a moment andrew you think it's a tiktok thing and that's

i'm trying to figure out if it's a tiktok thing you know i'm yeah probably unaware of it i went

And this is, you know, I had to fly all the way to New York City, Andrew, to uncover this little gem of a topic at the top of the show. I started doing something really weird the other day, and I'm loving it. I was really hungry. I was poking around my kitchen for something to eat. And unrelated to the fact that I'm doing this story in Wisconsin, I grabbed some gray poupon mustard out of the fridge. And then I have some, like, sliced Havarti cheese. and i'll tell you all i did i got a slice of that cheese out and then i just spooned a little bit of that nice spicy mustard onto there and i kind of rolled it up it was a home run it was absolutely delicious and i think i only think of mustard as something that i'm going to put on like a sandwich or yeah pretty much a sandwich what else do what what else is it a condiment for mustard hot dog

pretzels it's a big pretzels okay pretzels yes yeah but like it never occurred to me to just

put it on like some kind of a creamy you know Havarti cheese and it was great it was like the the spiciness of the mustard and the kind of creaminess of the Havarti it was totally delicious

it would be hard for me to um bro down with you on putting mustard on cheese given my aversion even even that kind of given my aversion to cheese yeah but I would be interested in knowing um if you ever went back and uh got more of that um English mustard that I use I believe it's called coleman's remember i accidentally remember when i accidentally blew your mind that would be my soul song i accidentally blew your mind uh and then in parentheses with mustard um but uh when we were i want to see the cover art for that you know i was when i went for the parenthetical like tag on that i was going to try to sound it make it sound less dirty and then i was going to say with my mustard and i was like how is that more filthy did you hear me stop and like i didn't i heard where it was going and i didn't want to go there anymore but i was stuck in in a in a word castle of my own a word prison of my own making i'm sorry andrew our word princesses in another

castle you slid right down that flag and just went underground and i get it all your word bases belong to us i liked your but what i liked there was you were going for that certain era of kind of like real sexy soul music where a lot of times it seems like the music had a parenthetical title

yeah yep you know we I feel like um we just lost two people that I sort of put in that um category I'm surprised that they both died around the same time because I kind of grouped them together in my head Roy Ayers died recently you know him right vibraphonist vibraphonist and also um everybody loves the sunshine I can't hit those notes I can't hit any notes but I love that song I love that song. And then another fellow who, oh, he is another soul singer from around that era who was very associated with the 70s, 60s and 70s. He did the Oogum Boogum song. You know what I'm talking about, right? Wait, really? That guy passed away? He passed away around the holidays.

Oh, I didn't even see that. It's funny because I, like, in the last five years have really gotten into the Oogum Boogum song.

Brentwood I'm sorry Brenton Wood was his name and he actually kind of I think he came up with that name because of his connection to Brentwood actually I don't think he was born I did not

realize that that guy had passed away but yeah like again you know always early to the party i've been recently getting into the ogum boogum song now when roy airs passed i felt like a five i wouldn't say connection to that but i had a thought about it because i interviewed his son his estranged son nabil airs who's a music executive and who had a complicated relationship with his dad and wrote a book i think called everyone loves the sunshine oh and uh or my life in the sunshine maybe that would maybe make sense yeah um and it was about his life and also his complicated relationship with his dad and so when when when roy airs passed away that was like in the last couple of weeks i think yeah right yep i was like oh i've read i've kind of read a whole book about a guy having feelings about this guy yeah and um

and brenton wood he did um give me give me a little son girl uh that's also him yeah and those two songs i love them and when i'm in a when i'm in a uh in a in a bar which is you know you know it happens infrequent i i uh i will start working the jukebox like at the vibe of the bar that's in my neighborhood um like i definitely will kind of sneak in there and then wait about 10 or 15 minutes then start working the jukebox so they so that the music doesn't change the moment i go in there but roy ayers and brenton wood are two go-tos for me and kind of coincidentally they passed away within like months of each other but uh yeah there we

are yeah january 3rd 2025 is when alfred jesse smith aka brenton wood uh left us all wow i didn't realize that anyway so we'll keep working on your soul album yeah title and and artwork i do think it'll involve something kind of flowy and blousey now yes i'm sorry yes you are in the middle of something and i want to let you get to the end of it but but this whole album cover art has me has me thinking about something that we need to get into on this show probably this week it It doesn't have to be today. Are you up on the music of Kyle M?

No. Is it Kyle Mooney?

Do those words mean anything to you?

Kyle Mooney, but I don't know if that's what you're talking about. I'm assuming not.

Kyle Mooney has released an album.

Oh, it is Kyle Mooney. Okay.

Yes. Well, he's going by Kyle M now, Andrew. And it is. This is actually great. This is just, I'll whet your whistle with this. Just maybe in the next few days, if you touch in on the Kyle M music thing, and then kind of your thoughts on it and then we'll reconvene this maybe i don't know wednesday or thursday of this week i've only heard two of the songs and uh i'm still trying to kind of wrap my head around it like what exactly is going on with the whole thing it's it's it looks like it's earnest it looks like it's well that's the thing i mean the cover art the the one of the photos of him is just like it's it's just powerful late 70s early 80s like the kind of an album that we would have had around our house growing up except it would have been a christian artist it would have been don francisco or keith green or something but all of your kenny loggins is and your you know dudes of that era were putting out albums where they were looking exactly the way kyle mooney does on the cover of this record or kyle m i'm sorry kyle m yeah he's he's going around talking about the music with people introducing himself as kyle m so you're okay you you the sounds like

the question here is is this really earnestness or is this like a next level parody where he will not give into the fact that it's parody it's just let me put it this way it's perfect i received a

text over the weekend from somebody in in who i used to be very close to in my life um and and who i still have very fond thoughts about let's just say a person who i may or may not have been married to who said are you watching this whole kyle mooney situation and i said i said yeah i kind of am i've heard a couple of the songs and this person said um you know i totally support people just following their passion but like it's pretty bad right and i was like i'm pretty sure that's the point but i don't know actually like i mean that had me thinking like is it possible that he's because here's the thing about about kyle mooney in a certain way him doing a very self-serious which he's been doing all these videos where he's like being really self-serious about it you know okay him him doing an album where he's like introducing it he's talking about you know him being really self-serious and then just putting out an album that's sort of manifestly bad that sort of feels like the joke but that feels like the obvious joke yes and he's not the joke you expect from kyle mooney and he's not an obvious guy does that make sense like all the setup of him being and he goes back to his childhood home in san diego and he's like knocks on the door he's like talking to the people that live in san diego home he's walking around

oh yeah this has got it okay i mean i'm not really i'm not looking much up i'm just seeing some headlines but i wanted to see if anybody had been because at first i thought you were describing a tim i love the way we said well we're not we're still listeners we're still not talking about this we're talking about what we're going to talk about when we talk about this but at first i thought it was gonna be a tim heidecker thing because you know it was like around yeah his music is apparently serious yeah and and varying levels of of good i would say like

i remember definitely not manifestly bad it's it sounds like passable sort of guitar you know Pops. Pop folk music.

And he's somebody who's very passionate about music. If you follow him on social media, he's like, you know, often commenting on songs and like, you know, on YouTube even.

Don't play charades with him. Do not play charades. Unless you're read up on your jazz guys.

But he really does love music and loves the Beatles and like, I don't know, just like all these other influences. And so when he released an album, talking about Tim Heidecker here, I feel like it was right before the pandemic. because I remember listening to the first few singles of it kind of on repeat on various, like, mixes that I made that Vives and I would listen to while we played cards during the pandemic. I just really associated with that time. And, like, the first two or three singles off that album were great. There were a few that weren't as, you know, I think started to show that, like, you know, the faults of, or, you know, the fact that he hasn't dedicated his life to music. Some of the lyrics are maybe a little bit corny, but the good stuff was really good. And so I thought maybe that's what Kyle Mooney, I'm sorry what Kyle M was doing here but it seems like this might be more like who was um you know uh my friend Paul dressed up like what's his name who was the guy who in the early 2000s was it Joaquin Phoenix decided he was just going to be Mr. Serious and he like went on all the talk shows with dark sunglasses and never laughed by the way Paul dressed up like him for Halloween last year or two years ago not when it was not when it was in the in the zeitgeist I really appreciated that although i didn't see it because i was in ohio um while he uh visited genevieve's

party here at my home that year that's where that's from whence this fine audio drop came

from andrew uh for me to like to be able to to condone that like my artism is bigger than that i never made that connection now of course i can hear his voice so maybe is that what kyle is kyle mooney doing or kyle m doing something more akin to that i wonder well again this this

is why this conversation is premature because you haven't listened to any of the music and i've literally heard half of two songs so we need to we need to spend some time with this music i might my initial impression of one of the songs which is just about how like we need to put our phones down uh it seemed again like i assumed that the joke was a really serious build-up and then an album that's got some pretty uh pretty lo-fi songs on it yeah i still i think i still stand by that but again i'm a little surprised because i also feel like the the more interesting thing for mooney and which would be to again follow the heidecker road which is be this person who's super arch and super like you know in on the joke and and multiple layers of kind of whatever you want to call it sarcasm remove but then put out this music that you're going and playing legitimately like you like playing these songs and you're not doing it's not a joke you don't buy it as a joke and you don't give it as a joke it's not a joke by the way it's no uh you know what i mean though like i don't i i'm so like the i hold kyle mooney in such high comedic regard oh yeah that that if the payoff of kyle m is he just did an album that's pretty bad then it's kind of like i'm a little surprised because i i i expected to be one more layer of comedy though that i'm kind of not expecting and that would be this is real that would be that would be the next layer but if he's

singing about putting down your phone like it's pretty i mean we know that he is like a very dry like cringe artist okay like you said okay okay we're gonna talk about that later and we're also going to we didn't do it today and i felt like you specifically didn't want to do this today The conversation was about to kind of flow into a place that I was excited about, and I felt like you, I could be wrong here, but I feel like you felt that I wanted to take the conversation into Pez land and go nostalgic over the Pezes that we had. Let's not do that now, because I'm trying to remember the Pezes that I had.

Well, how about this?

I had a Batman one, but I would love to go over your personal Pez story at some point.

How about Wednesday? Okay, so listen, by Wednesday, I'll have gotten eyes on the Pez. It's not really a museum. It's a visitor center. And let me just lay this on you. It's a visitor center that was created by a guy who was just a lifetime Pez enthusiast who was bothering the Pez company so much that they should have some kind of a thing, a display that they finally just said, fine, quit your job, move out here. We'll put you in charge of building out an intense visitor center at the Pez facility in Orange, Connecticut. And he said, OK. And he moved out and made it. And that's what I'm going to go visit tomorrow. So I'll have a lot. And I'm going to go in where they, of course, you might be shocked to hear. I believe the actual dispensers are made, you know, overseas, let's just say. But the candy is made in Orange, Connecticut. So I will get to go to the assembly line. I'll get to at least see. And we can all agree. Pest candy is actually kind of trash, right? If it's not, if it wasn't coming out of, like, the neck of a box.

I was just asking myself that. I was just, I mean, before you said it, I was.

wondering do i raise that because i was picturing the pez on my tongue i can feel it the little divot in there i haven't had a pez in decades but i can feel the little divot on my tongue i'm like oh yeah the pez i'm like wait a second is that good or is it just because it comes out of batman like i don't i don't know fair question right but like but but also is it if it doesn't matter like because plating luke as you get more and more into the into the culinary arts you understand see the plating i'm doing at my house yeah you're doing a lot of plating and in a certain way um you know, eating a candy that comes out of Batman's neck is a certain kind of here. Here's what I'm being serious. So I want you to come to TBTL as you do this story with a lot of dazzling details about Pez's. I'm legit interested in this and I have a cock full of details.

I promise.

And I have something important that I want you to suss out. So I've been on the Pez website for a while now, since we started this conversation, you've got eyes on this and I'm just sort of scrolling through like their collections.

Have you looked at the visitor center?

I don't know. I'm on something called the Pez archive. And what it's done is it's broken down first by decades, But then each year you can click on and you can see what Pez dispensers they released each year. And it goes up to the present day, I believe, 2025, yes, and goes back to the 1950s, except, Luke.

Please don't let 2025s be like a Cybertruck, please.

Oh, God. Here's what I want you to look.

Like, what's the most horrific 2025 Pez dispenser they could be going with? Oh, God.

Okay, so, but here's where I'm going with this. Serious question that I want you to suss out, if I can give you an assignment. Every single year is represented, but when you get into the 80s, you have 1980 collection, 81, 82. 1983, no releases. 85, no releases. And 88, no releases. Another summer.

Sound of the funky drummer.

What's going on?

I'm sorry, I thought you were doing public enemy there for a minute.

No, what's going on with 83, 85, and 88? Why were there no releases when they didn't skip any years? since the 1950s what happened in those years okay what happened to the Dufresnes what happened to

the Dufresnes what are the years again I'm literally writing this down it says 83 85 and 88 no releases so I can't even click I am going to I'm going to get answers tomorrow in Orange Connecticut okay for real that's a thank you I probably I might not have noted that and I bet you there's an interesting story behind it um so I will be looking into this and again I I promised you all, I will be absolutely insufferable by Wednesday with the Pez

facts and factoids. Oh, you've already got a head start, so that's good. A lot of Smurfs in the 80s. Alright, more on that later. Those are two conversations that we did not have now. We're going to have them later. Kyle M and Pez.

And will there ever be a Kyle M Pez?

Oh, yes. And how much will I pay for it? We was hoping for some razzle-dazzle. Razzle-dazzle. That's right, man. Razzle-dazzle. On your mark. On your mark. Get set. Get set. Now ready, ready, go. Everybody rattle, dazzle.

All right, let's thank some dazzling donors. These folks are donating a dazzling amount of dough, which is how TBTL is able to keep in business, all the way here from New York City.

Can I mention something to you?

Yeah.

I had some, you describe sometimes running into somebody and they want to know about the show or the business model or whatever. And I don't know if you've ever described it this way, but I had something happen to me in a similar conversation on Friday that I realized really is a pattern where, here, I'll just describe it to you. I was at KUW. Actually, I want to tell you more about that tomorrow. It went okay. I want to tell you about something that happened to me after the recording yesterday, or on Friday, the live show on Friday that I think you'll be interested in. But I kind of got there a little bit early, as you'd expect, and I was in the green room and kind of running into a bunch of old friends and colleagues, as is usually the case. And I ran into an old colleague of mine and friend named Jim, who you know as well. Oh, yeah. I love Jim. I know. Yeah. Wrote a couple of episodes of the Golden Girls, actually, before he got into public radio. True story.

He was an L.A. guy. That's right. I remember him from his L.A. days.

Anyway, I hadn't caught up with Jim in forever. He said he's got a kid who's seven years old now, and I didn't even know that he had a kid, so that's how long it's been since I've talked to Jim. But anyway, we were talking about public radio and how they're doing their fundraiser right now, or they were at least on Friday, and starting to see the effects of potentially losing federal dollars and then seeing what happens with the economy. Everybody's just a little bit nervous about both donations and certainly what will happen to any kind of federal grants. And then I kind of mentioned our deal. I didn't go into too much detail, but I said, you know, we run an independent business now. There's three of us, and we do like a public radio fun drive once a week or I'm sorry, once a year. Don't make us do it once a week, y'all. And Jim said something like, and this is, I can tell what people want.

to ask but they don't want to be rude about it which is like there's this he there's this way of sort of trying to ask like oh and that's like your real job like and you it's not like a little exactly it's not a side gig like he kind of wants to and and it sort of trails out often i'm not picking on jim here because this is a conversation i have a lot the person will often say oh and that's like that's your and that's good for you and that and that's the good for you right Because they want to say, wait, you're not making salaries off of that, right? Or something. They kind of, you know, I'm literally doing a podcast in my basement, which is a stereotype, of course. And I was just kind of like, yeah, no, I mean, it's a matter of pride for us. It's also a matter of eating for us because this is how we put food on our table. But, yeah, it's kind of like, yeah, no, this is a real thing that we do.

I know that exact conversation. um yeah because people if they take an interest in it and particularly if they're in the industry they're they're like trying to sort of get a a sense of the operation like yeah are we are we just is this a hobby is this a hobby where the donations pay for the bandwidth we use yeah is it a is it a kind of and it's like no it's our it's our real jobs and it's three people's real jobs and it's because of folks like kelly nilson in san diego california that's where kyle m is from i've learned recently oh san diego yeah that makes sense kelly says nelson like harry nelson the singer now that helps me oh yeah uh that is one i'm talking everybody talking yes

yes absolutely parenthetically from that sad movie that the after these messages uh voicemail song

it is uh that uh was was that that must have existed before uh midnight cowboy and then they just put it at the end of the movie right like that probably wasn't written for the soundtrack

of midnight cowboy that's a really good question i don't know but of course i people in pop culture first associate it with our podcast after these messages and then second to the end secondly

they're like ratso rizzo yeah exactly yes exactly i'm riding here i'm riding here uh kelly nelson says uh thanks uh to the business boys luke and andrew and john for building such an amazing community. My business is turning three years old this summer, and the support I've received from the 10s over the last few years has helped me flourish. Whoa, that's cool to hear. I am so grateful, and my husband is grateful, and my 17-year-old son is, well, you know, is not mad about it. Honestly, I would say that's about all you can expect in that particular developmental

stage of life. Before we get into the details of Kelly's business, which are important and we are looking forward to sharing here i want to say this really that that message there that a bunch of tens were able to support kelly and her business really strikes home with something that we talked about on friday's episode of tbtl which is um listener sierra has put together like a place on the tbtl slack page that is specifically for like tbtl small business owners and a place where people can kind of see what other tens are up to because like if we're going to be purchasing goods and services why not do it from a ten and so that's that's we saw a bunch of people sign up for that too. So Kelly, if you're not already over there on Slack, you might want to post a

link there too. That is such a good point, Andrew. Like, I feel like we're, we're circling the wagons here at the old show. We're always going to like, we're just going to try to buy everything from each other and support TBTL and show up for causes that need us. And we're just going to try to be a little, a little like, you know, Island of, of, of, of people that really want to take care of each other. And I don't mean that, that we're turning our backs on other folks, but just like the more we can do to support each other, the better. Um, Kelly's business is Bravo financial LLC, a flat fee advice, only fiduciary financial planning firm. I'm based in San Diego, but I can work with folks across the country. I would love it if the tens would check out my website, which is Bravo financial plans.com and Bravo is B R A V A Bravo financial plans.com. And if you like what you see, sign up for my newsletter. Nice. If you have questions or comments, email me at kelly at bravafinancialplans.com and let me know how I can help you. My poem this year is from Muhammad Ali, and the poem is called Me, We. I think that's the full poem. Wow.

Isn't it?

Short and sweet.

Looks like it. Yeah, I think that is the full poem, not just the name of it. I could be wrong about that.

Yeah, you're right. That is the poem, me, period, we, period. if that isn't tbtl i don't know what is by the way this is me quoting kelly still although i agree with the sentiment if that isn't tbtl i don't know what is if you love muhammad ali check out the documentary when we were kings like on netflix it is superb love you all so there you go me we i mean what do you take from that

The idea that we are connected, essentially, that there—I don't want to say there is no me, but that—I feel like that is saying to me there is a connection between all of us. There is a greater we that we are part of. We do not stand alone. We stand together, whether we want to or not.

Like when you say there is no you and me, there's only us, which is something I like to say to Genevieve a lot, and she just turns up her headphones louder. So there you go.

That's, you know, something I hope you guys are able to work through, because I think that's a beautiful, beautiful sentiment. So thank you, Kelly, for supporting TVTL. We really appreciate you. Maestro?

On your mark. On your mark. Get set. Get set. Now ready. Ready. Go. Everybody rattle, dattle.

Look who it is. Everybody rattle, dattle. It's Lisa Claus in West Chester. West Chester?

Mm-hmm.

West Chester, Pennsylvania. Lisa says the last name is pronounced Claws, like Claws, C-L-A-W-S. That was a cat. Yeah, yeah.

But no, I made the sound. Oh, I see. I thought that was Bingo walking. No, no, that was me making a cat sound.

We have our cameras off today because of the remote connection, and I didn't realize.

Oh, that was you. That was me making that sound, but it sounded like a cat, right? And people think of cat claws. Yeah. Pretty good.

And I don't have my cat sound effect here because, again, I'm trying to keep my digital footprint to a minimum so our connection is good. So I appreciate you doing that because I usually – I'm playing that cat sound like it's going out of style, but I don't have it today. I'm looking to see.

I might have another cat sound here on this box, but it's a Halloween. Turkey gobble? No, it's the Halloween sound machine that I have. So if it's got a cat, it's going to be – Oh, good news for you, Luke. Battery is dead. The battery is dead.

I thought it would never happen.

Listener Veronique gave me this. But I'll bet you something like landed. It sits in this drawer. Something was probably pressing one of the buttons for probably days and days. And I was probably out of this office and there was just a witch cackling in here until the battery drained.

Maybe, yeah, maybe bingo. Yeah. Stepping on it. Thank you for that. Lisa just says, short and sweet, like the Muhammad Ali poem, love the show. well thanks Lisa we love you listening and we love you supporting the program and we couldn't do this without you what did you tell our friend Jim about this being our job did you tell him like did you because I kind of think we might need to start our ego Andrew not ego that's the wrong that's the wrong word but I think you and I have a very weird way of thinking about and talking about this show or at least I do and the weirdness is anytime someone says oh what's your podcast about i'm like i don't know it's like me and my friend and we talk to each other or like oh i i'm sorry i don't listen to your show and i'm always like oh you're not missing anything and yet i'm also very proud of this that it's a thing that we have figured out how to do for 17 years or whatever it's been and like it's it's almost like if you're talking crap about your parents and then your friend says like yeah they do kind of suck and you're like you better watch your mouth yes you know i was thinking about that about my neighborhood yesterday as i

walking home from somewhere oh sure I was just like I love my neighborhood and then I thought well it's got its problems but then I thought you and I don't even know who I was talking to because I was by myself I was like but nobody else can say it's got its problems it's my

neighborhood absolutely and so I could see I would have one of two like reactions and I guess I have you know if people are kind of like you know just trying to assess like is this working are you are you and Andrew and John you know paying yourselves a salary and living on this and and part of me want to be like yeah it's a that's a real thing and we are paid an actual salary and we're very grateful for that and then part of me want to be like we're struggling man we are having like do we play the sympathy card is my question should we should we really have the standard line being like we may go out of business but like we're gonna go out of business next week if we if we don't you know i don't even know what if we don't if we don't hit it out of the park on the next

thon so in order yeah like should i just have gotten jim to donate because i slid yeah i guess

I think that's kind of what I'm wondering.

That said tbtl.net slash donate on it. And I said, well, we could always use more help. Like calico cut pants.

You've got to donate.

I said they come that way. Anyway, yeah, no, I think I, you want me to answer that seriously? I will answer it seriously. Yes, I do. And say I said, because he didn't fully straight out ask, oh, and that's how you support yourself. But that's clearly what the question was, right? Yeah. And I didn't say, and he didn't come out and really put it that sharply. And so I didn't answer that sharply. But I said, yeah, we you know, we we work with a guy that we brought over from American public media. And he he knew all about public radio fundraising. And now we're a three person operation. And and we got like a real public radio operation going here. So I always sort of like I think by letting folks know that we're not. Like, that we're, you know, that we're business boys, you know?

Yeah, we're three business boys doing business. We really are. Again, I am very proud of this, even though I spend most of my time denigrating the show. If anyone even looks at me slightly askance, I'm the first person to talk about what a media empire we're building at TBTB.

Thank you very much. That's right. Thanks to our donors.

hello and welcome to top story all right you know i'll save my little musings about nyc for for a later time andrew the upshot being gosh darn those tickets to glengarry glenn ross are not cheap eight hundred dollars for a single ticket i've been hearing a little bit of buzz about this

but not much because i don't really follow what's going on on the stage you know like that's not a

nor do i generally speaking it just seems to bring together i mean i was a huge fan of the film version oh yeah and um and you know i'm intrigued by the folks in it it's bob odenkirk and kieran culkin and bill burr of all people who i guess i didn't really think of as a stage actor but it's like with so many broadway shows maybe this is also just speaks to like there's a lot of broadway shows that have struggled this one is apparently like extended and doing record numbers and it's like, oh, here's what we should do. Let's put three white guys on stage and do a David Mamet play. Cool, that's still thriving on Broadway. But I was excited to go see it and I figured, ah, single ticket on a Monday or Tuesday night. I mean, it's one banana, Michael. Yeah. And it was shocking. I mean, it's sold out, so you have to go through these secondary markets and one of them I was looking at, they had two tickets in the entire house and they were $800 a piece. Jeez Louise.

This is probably a dumb question, but i'm going to ask it anyway they have not adapted the play since the movie came out right because obviously this started as a play it was adapted to a movie the movie made some significant changes including adding that whole new alec baldwin character yes which is not a huge part of the movie but it's one of the most memorable parts of the movie that everybody talks about the the great um uh what's oratory uh monologue uh i couldn't think of the word monologue so i went with the oratory sorry about that um i was just i just didn't want to say um again but our oratory

also works there it's interesting most monologues are oratory though that was like one of those

things where it was kind of like i was brock hewarding it a little bit like i didn't you don't need to say oratory monologue it's just monologue but i couldn't think of the word monologue any who's all sorry sorry brock you didn't deserve that yeah wow i don't hold my muscle milk yeah all of that is to say uh you i would assume that the play on broadway now is

the play as the play was written by david mamet you know that's such a good question and it it's it makes me so like actually relieved i mean there was no chance of me paying 800 a ticket that was a non-starter but if it would have been if i would have seen a ticket for 140 i could have probably talked myself into it even though that's also very very expensive yeah but if i would have paid you know any amount over the asking price for the ticket and i would have gone to the this hadn't even occurred to me andrew if i would have gone to the play and i would not have seen the mitch and murray sent me down here yeah yeah coffee is for closers i think i would have been really bummed yeah and and and like you're right that's not the play that's the movie version of the play and now this is the play again and so presumably it's more faithful to the original david mamet version i think he also wrote the screenplay but still like do they insert this thing that was made for the movie back into the play because a lot of like a lot of jamokes like me are basically going to sit and have someone who's playing whatever the alec baldwin character is go put that coffee down like that's what i'm waiting for yes i mean think about all of the

so many iconic lines just in that what i like to call an oratory monologue um sorry i've i've gotten over that you can tell the rest of my day is going to be fine um but uh yeah like so just in that four minutes of the movie is the touchstone of what people

think of and just so many classic lines it's almost all of the quotable lines because i mean other than that it falls off really quickly it's there's one where it's like they're you know somebody says they just like talking to salesmen which is about some you know some folks that that one of the sales people has been on these endless number of sits with and they're not going to ever

buy anything uh you've got jack lemon characters on with them right doesn't he fall for the is

that shell levine that's that's uh that's stuck with them there's Thank you. like there's like uh ricky roma saying which as in the movie is played by al pacino saying like you never open your mouth until you know the shot but again nothing approaches the the various you know second places you're or third places you're fired or whatever i mean that's all of the quotable lines are in that like three minutes of of film and if they would have not played which is so funny because in a bunch of other contexts i would have been like slightly looking down on someone who went to a play hoping that there was a line from the movie in the play yeah right yeah except if it's me i needs my alec baldwin quotes my friends i needs that so anyway i'm not going uh to see a glengarry glenn ross uh at any time while i'm here and i'm basically fine with that

now speaking of when you go to see aladdin on ice and they don't do the lines that you know from

the movie precisely like i want you know i don't i picked the wrong move i couldn't know one thing from aladdin literally i've never seen it well like i the funny part is i i the other day for no reason that i can remember i was watching some of the original aladdin songs on uh oh i was watching with becca because i think i was mangling like a song from aladdin she goes it's not that lyric it's like it's this other lyric and then i just started watching it on my phone so i do love that i do love that movie um but um speaking of watching things yeah let's talk about this mariner situation so now i you know the mariners used to be on this thing uh root sports northwest which was available which they also own i think and it was available if you just like got cable you know from whatever xfinity it should have been one of the channels and then at some point xfinity said oh if you want to have that as part of the channels we're gonna charge you another whatever 20 bucks a month or something because they had realized that for people that really want to watch the mariners people like me i'm the person in this story they could extract they can extract an extra amount of money for me because like that's honestly the main reason i'm doing

this they moved it up into another tier is okay okay that's what they did because like you have your basic cable right the most basic cable gives you very little then back in my day luke there would be like basic cable and then you could add on hbo or showtime or skinamax or something right and thank you for using its government name and that was that but then obviously as cable changed over the years and decades it was like many tiered systems you get the most basic but like all that does is bring you like the broadcast stations and maybe tlc or something i don't know it's been a long time um but then there's like the sort of like uh the premium plus and then the family plan plus or whatever where you get like slightly better channels and what happened a couple of seasons ago is the um xfinity the cable provider said oh yeah we're keeping root sports but it's no longer part of the basic plan it's now part of the more expensive plan where you also get some other premium channels and so because of that it's a lot it was a lot more money for people and they're like i don't want these other channels i just want to watch i think premium channels is

being generous because it wasn't like i got hbo with right no no no just like probably more like fx hgtv4 yeah right exactly so and and so and so finally i i cut the i followed your lead andrew and i cut the cable really what happened was a guy working at my house with an excavator cut

the cable for me it's true i kind of forgot about that and you were already very tempted to do it

and then it literally happened i forgot it literally happened it was a force majeure there's actually a force jesse that was the guy who did it second time he dug the lineup too which is you know that's amazing that's you're batting a thousand you've been here two times with an excavator and both times you've dug up the cable line i didn't know what happened twice wow yeah i had to re-string it with my dad the second time like i was a whole thing i i've had to find the conduit and break it out and and pull out the whatever anyway all that is to say i switched over to this fubo tv which i've been waxing or episodic about it's a streaming thing but it seems let me watch my football let me watch my chris hayes i'm very happy with it and then i assumed i could watch my mariners because one of the things that i was before i signed up for it that i was very very uh you know adamant about was can i also get baseball in here and it kept saying the internet kept telling me yes it shows up on old fubo and then i see this article in the paper last week that says the mariners have finally uh like basically uh rolled out their own streaming service and i forget this is if i was a better podcast host i would have have the specific language in front of me i got it but whoever wrote about this in the paper said something that that sent a shiver through me which was something about how people with and then they listed a few different services including fubo and they said something like will be

will have access i think right oh no no oh okay it said that like this may be a complication for

people with it said

something and again this is why i should have actually highlighted it was the initial article that there was some line that the way i read it and i could have been you know i could have misreading it it made it sound like people with fubo were going to be annoyed at this development or that it was somehow going to not work for us which i was really shocked by so thankfully you've been you've been boots on the ground in seattle doing some recon on this and what is the deal How are we supposed to watch this team?

Well, I'm still trying to figure it out, but I think you're okay. I don't know the specific line that you saw that sort of freaked you out, but I do see your text, which was written in a private forum, but I'm going to air it here. You wrote, the whole reason I got FUBA was because it was supposed to show Root, but the article makes it sound like I also have to get the new thing. Now, I don't know if that's true or not. I spent the weekend thinking that was the case, so there's complications for both of us. This is one of those things where I care about this so much I'm worried about talking about it because I can just hear people zoning out on this. But this was a big deal for me because I also need to close this text chain because it also just became just a bunch of people making up, everybody in our text chain making up different fake cable and streaming services like Poob+. Anyway, I'm closing that tab because I'm getting distracted. The thing is, you had a bunch of people who cut the cord, but then didn't want to pay $80 a month for Fubo TV. And my family, I think, is a good example of that. I told Genevieve, as we discussed a lot on this show recently, I was like, maybe I'll get Fubo. And I think she thought it was $80 a year, not $80 a month. And it would only be to watch the baseball games. But, of course, Fubo is like an Internet streaming package. And we would get MSNBC, like you said, and a whole bunch of other channels, most of which Genevieve just doesn't care about. And it's kind of like, yeah, $80 a month to watch Mariners. It galls me a little bit, too, because of the whole, like, you know, King County taxpayers and my tax dollars going to support that stadium and the franchise in a pretty direct way, I would say. But there's no way to actually watch the games without paying. We're one of, I can't remember, a handful of markets where there's no way to watch the game without literally paying a private company, your Fubo, your Xfinity, whatever. And so the announcement this week, and it happened right before the season, I think this launch is a little bit scattershot because they were just trying to get this done right before the season begins. Root Sports, a.k.a. the Mariners, the Mariners basically own Root Sports, which is the regional sports network. They are saying you don't have to get cable. You don't have to pay for Fubo. You can now just pay us $20 a month and you can get the new Root Sports app, which will show all of the games live, including they claim no blackouts, which to me, that means I can drink as much as I want during a game and I'll be fine. You'll remember it. you hear that Genevieve I'll be fine no I believe what that means is like they black out like four games a year I don't believe them by the way I think they're still going to black those out but yes they claim no blackouts but they take like four games a year on Fridays and they move them over to Apple TV and they have a different broadcast crew I do not think that they're taking those back away from Apple because they would just change too much about the

actual production I think they're lying a little bit and that's probably an MLB contract exactly yeah so So having said all that, they claim no blackouts and you can watch this on your phone, you can watch this on your computer, or if you have a smart TV like Apple TV or maybe one other, you can put the app on your TV. You know, like I turn on my TV right now and I have like Hulu. I have I don't have Fubo, but, you know, I have Hulu. I have Netflix. I have HBO. You would think that I could just get a root sports badge, turn on the TV and scroll on over to it. But no, I'm thinking because this was released in haste. They don't have this in the TV marketplace yet. So you have to like watch it on your phone or your computer and then stream it to your television by like, you know, Chrome casting it. or plugging it in or something, or...

What is this, 2024?

Or I can get a Roku. It will be in the Roku store, which means I can go buy one of those tiny little Roku devices and plug that into my TV and then watch it that way, but it's kind of like, I have a smart TV. I don't want to get a Roku. They're not expensive, by the way. It's not a money thing.

Honestly, you could find a Roku lying in the weeds in most under-tended lots.

And turn over the earth, and you'll find a Roku, I'm sure. yeah no i mean listen it's seriously not a money thing but it's a little bit like no but i got my system i don't need a roku for anything because i have a smart tv with all of my apps built in and all my preferences built in but so my big thing now is do i go get one of those

little you know a roku is basically the size of a thumb drive these days i can plug in the back of the tv sign up for the service and it would be easier than like doing what i do now which is like i go to a website or two i look for an illegal stream i plug it into the back of my tv i carry a computer over like i hate carrying a computer over there behind the tv plugging it in hoping that it has enough juice to get me through the uh game otherwise i have to go get my power cable You know what I mean? I would love to cut all that stuff out. So I'm leaning towards buying this $20 a month package along with a Roku just so I can have the simplicity of putting it on my TV. But that's where I am in this. Where are you in all of this is what I'm trying to figure out. Are they pulling the games off of Fubo and saying that Fubo users can now log into this new app? because that's one thing i'm certain of you will have access to this new app luke you can download the app on your phone you can watch games wherever and you will have free access to it probably just logging in at with your fubo credentials my question is are they taking it out of the fubo channel listing though because that was a huge thing for you you're like i'm not gonna buy something and then plug in a computer and describe all the bullshit i go through in my basement you want a seamless experience where you can pretty easily bounce from all in with chris hayes to the mariners and then back and forth until like the news of the world or the news of the mariners depresses you more whatever happens first right like you want that seamless experience if they're taking it out of fubo for you that would be a huge screw to you because that means it would be you'd have to get your cable back or like whatever i have to pay the 20

bucks a month in in order for this additional no you won't have to pay for it as long as you have

fubo you won't have to pay for it like okay that's good that i don't have to do it comes down to how

seamlessly and i'm assuming this being the mariners it will be very very seemful but like it just depends on how the apps are talking to each other and how if listen if the worst thing is I have to buy a Roku slash go find one lying on the train tracks I can probably deal with that but I you're you're right I don't I don't want any I don't want any shenanigans with this like I it's so weird that this specific activity would be so important to me as far as the whole overall experience but there's something about walking into my living room slash kitchen I don't have a big house it's all kind of the same room so I'm not walking in there and picking up the remote control and turning on the television and changing it to the station that the mariners are on and then the game's happening that and there not being any other amount of logging in or you know content capture or streaming or casting like i just don't want any of that other stuff and the fact that you know i got this whole fubo thing in order to just have it be pretty seamless i'm just hoping that it doesn't become this whole thing where i don't know i've got to keep re-logging in or verifying my credentials or there's some technological issue where i'm trying to go through fuba on my way to the root sports because you know what'll happen and this is i'm angry about this even thinking about it there'll be a day when i'll just buy the gd app from root sports i'll just want to watch something like let's just say there's a problem i'll be like well can i solve this problem with 20 right now and then i know i'm just i'm just buying that stupid root sports app and running it from there through the roku okay i have some updates here first of all i've been

It's funny because I was sitting, I was literally at one, like, I've just been having this conversation in my head all weekend. I think the news about this broke on Friday morning. And I will tell you that on Saturday, I was doing a lot of, I was running a lot of errands. And I was literally at one point sitting in my car in the parking lot outside Silver Platter Records, outside the Alderwood Mall. I think that's Linwood.

Love that there's still a Silver Platter.

or outside the Olympic spa and the silver platters. I actually had gone in there, bought a couple of records, and then I get back in my car and I start my car and I'm still thinking, yeah, but does Luke have to download? Thank you. And I've been going.

Thank you for keeping me present in your mind during this difficult time for me and my family.

And I'm also trying to figure out my situation too. And I will say that I think they keep on updating this with more information because people have these questions. I'm very familiar with this site that I'm on now, and I swear they've added even more clear language. First of all, up at the top, the big banner headline is, root sports stream hello baseball goodbye blackouts so maybe they really will staff the games and and provide the games that are usually only on apple tv i don't know we'll see um but there's a big q a uh you know it's like kind of a frequently asked question sort of set up it says what the supported um mechanisms are i don't think they call them supported mechanisms Supported web browsers are Safari and Chrome, iOS, Android smartphones.

an apple tv so if you just had an apple tv you could just put this app right on it amazon fire tv which is apparently still a thing um or a roku listen i once did their commercials okay that was a big deal for me um or a roku like i mentioned so it's like okay i have like a hisense brand television that is a smart tv but i won't be able to load the app onto it we know that now i'll probably end up having to buy a roku if i want to do this personally but this is where you come in and this is very specific language question i already have root sports do i need the root sports app subscription you ready for this if you already have root sports through cable satellite or a streaming service you will not need to purchase the direct to consumer offering you can continue to watch through your cable satellite or streaming provider or you can log into the Rootsport Stream app using the provider credentials. So you will have – if for some reason you love your Fubo and you said that you like to take it with you and you can access everything, but if for some reason Fubo shits out on your phone or something, you can load this app onto the phone and using your Fubo credentials log into this new app. I don't see why you would need to, but it sounds like they are not taking it off of Fubo.

there's one more wrinkle in this though and i'm reading in ryan divish's piece yeah the great ryan divish he's talking about this sports stream and he says uh the footprint includes washington oregon montana alaska and portions of idaho oh yeah now now here's the thing as i join you from new york city today there are a lot of times that i'm somewhere that's not in those four states and what i love about my fubo life is that i can easily get you know get all of these things like if it's the nfl or whatever that's happening on on my phone can you imagine a world in which i'm somewhere traveling for work and now i can't get the mariners because i'm not in one of those four states that would be they might do that really

frustrating this conversation has made me realize you have not lived through a bit wait no did you have were you watching baseball via fubo last year or is this the first baseball season that

you'll have been experimenting with i think this is my first baseball season trying this so i guess i haven't really oh boy those are going to be some really annoying tbtls for the listeners can you imagine like i tune in already to watch mitch hanniger ripping the ball he's no longer a mariner

he was that was this weekend that was the premise of that i was like the hannah goat wrong why did

he pick hannah goat of all people but um no i mean it'll be really annoying for the listeners if it's like there was a great game that everyone's chopping it up about on our text chain and i'm in like you know denver trying to get it on my laptop sitting in the hotel room and it's blacked out then then i'm suddenly you andrew i'm on some sort of extra legal gray market deep dark website trying to get it because i'm not allowed to watch it even though i'm paying for fubo and i maybe even have the mariner thing i'm not allowed to watch it in some other part of the country because of

i'm geofenced well this is the weirdest thing this is the most ironic thing about the whole thing is during the regular baseball season i actually have mlb tv which means i can watch every single baseball game except for the ones happening in my market so i can't watch mariners games on that because that's the blackout restrictions so if i go to new york which i plan on doing to see glenn gary glenn ross i got some tickets uh for me yeah i should have told you that um if i go to new york I can watch it on MLB TV because I'll be out of market, but then if I come home, I won't be able to watch it because MLB TV will black out the local market games, which is just such a ridiculous thing. So, yeah, I don't think you have – you're not a T-Mobile customer, are you? If you're T-Mobile, you can get MLB TV for free. I think it's going to be available next Tuesday or something, so I'll be downloading it. I'll tell you this. Or tomorrow, I think.

And T-Mobile, which I am not a subscriber of, and they're not a sponsor of the show, they've done some smart things with the perks. Yes, they have. Because if you are on Alaska Airlines, you get free Wi-Fi with them, too. And, like, between the Mariners and free Wi-Fi on Alaska Airlines, could you think, or, you know, MLB, I should say.

I should say, not Mariners, yeah.

I know, of course, the whole point is it's not the Mariners. But let's just go with Major League Baseball writ large, a thing I'm interested in, and getting free Wi-Fi on the Alaska Airlines flights. Could you think of a couple of things that are more relevant to my day-to-day interest? And they're both things that T-Mobile has finagled for their subscribers.

And it's legitimately one of the reasons I will not leave T-Mobile because of the baseball thing and because of the airplane thing. Like I was just – I literally was having this conversation with Durs on Friday just saying like, yeah, I mean I love the free – it's not full plane free Wi-Fi. I think they give you free Wi-Fi for like a half hour or something, but free texting throughout the flight or something along those lines. But yeah, those little perks have really kind of hooked me. yeah those are the little things i mean over the course of of a year how many times are you actually availing yourself on the flight probably once or twice and the mlb thing is what it is but like it's funny how those things which probably at the end of the year don't add up to a ton of money just like psychologically add up to a ton of like loyalty mlb tv is kind of i mean it's 25

bucks a month and so if you were to pay for that for six months yeah that's yeah you know it's

Well, Andrew, speaking of blackouts, can we please talk about the coach of the Liberty Flames NCAA basketball team who is named Richie McKay? And I just saw this. Like, I have a very weird relationship with NCAA basketball now, which is I don't care about it. And some of that is because the Huskies are very bad currently. And some of it is because this is not the point of this conversation, but the way that with NIL deals and everything, college basketball, it doesn't it just feels like a stopover for us, like a handful of guys that are going to the NBA, but legally have to play one year of college basketball because of the rules, not legally, but because of the rules of the NBA. And so they do. And they all are, you know, if they're really good, they're already millionaires because they have NIL deals and then they're just gone, which no shade on them. It just doesn't. It just seems like a real different thing than it was 10 years ago where you had like teams that were formed around players and they played together for years and there was like a thing. Now it just feels very, very kind of mercenary to me. But putting that aside, the main story that I see that I was seeing on TikTok coming out of the tournament was this guy, Richie McKay's hairdo, which was like he's got, you know, he's he's he's basically got like a kind of a I don't know if widow's peak would be the exact way to describe it. But I think his natural hairline right now is, you know, pretty high forehead on both sides and then a little bit of a kind of isthmus of hair. That's what Letterman used to call it. He used to describe his isthmus of hair. Yes, yes. And and Richie McKay was being interviewed, I think, at halftime. Liberty was being blown out by the Oregon Ducks. And I think I've told you this story before about Liberty University basketball. You know, it's a very, very conservative Christian college. I think it's in Lynchburg, Virginia. It was started by Jerry Falwell, I believe. i did not remember any of that and i remember uh that and they play in one of these divisions it's an automatic into the tournament so it's like they basically they will find themselves in the ncaa tournament every once in a while because they've just won their they've won their conference i should say even though the conference doesn't have a lot of teams that would be in like the top 25 or anything you know what i mean it's smaller schools but they haven't they have an automatic bid for whoever wins the conference the other time i remember them winning the conference the mummy was going to liberty i was a senior in high school mummy was a year ahead of me and had told us all that he had made the liberty basketball team and i was so psyched about this telling all my friends you will not believe this and then liberty qualified for the tournament that year i think they played north carolina in the first round because what happens is when liberty qualifies for the tournament they're automatically like a 14 seed or so they're like way down the list and then that means they always play a really high seed and i remember i was at nathan hale the game was on the tv in the like student center and i was all ready to see the

mummy on the bench didn't see him there but i thought what a crazy what a weird what a weird way to verify that somebody was not in fact on like what are the chances that this is the school that this person's attending for like six months because i think that was about the amount of time that he went there and that he makes up the story about like making it on the basketball team and then that year the basketball team qualifies for the ncaa tournament and is playing a game that is being televised by cbs at a time when i'm looking at a tv even though i'm a senior in high school all of these things conspired to have me have this moment of being like i'm gonna see my friend on the bench for the liberty flames and it did not happen and that might have been um what we call

it a leading indicator but anyway wait hold on hold on hold on i know we're in a bit of a hurry We got to talk about the hairline, but I do have some important follow ups to this story. So, yeah, one thing that is sort of surprising to me is like if I found out that you were doing something like really big like that, I would be in a lot of communication with you. I guess we need to remember that this is no cell phones, no texting. So, you know, the communication is like no Internet, no Internet. So you talk. Yeah, that's right. Like you would have you would have seen him on social media or whatever. So none of that stuff going on. You just have a conversation via phone. He's off at college. He's like, yeah, I'm on the basketball team. And you're like, that's pretty cool. and you but so that part sort of you know makes sense to me but I also know that you were still and you know I think it's okay to say and you've indicated this you have not I think hung out with him or been in communication with him in quite some time now but you maintain a friendship with him for a long time after this particular story that you're talking about at any point did you just say so what was up with that I don't remember

remember a being that troubled by this which is weird or be having a follow-up conversation I don't know how it resolved itself I don't remember it being something where I was like it was a real Kaiser so say moment yeah and I was just like wait a minute he's not on the Liberty basketball team like I don't know I don't know how it was explained away or if it came up again or whatever I just remember it's weird that I remember where I was I was in this room I think we called it the AC or something, but it was like the, the, where you would hang out in between classes, kind of adjacent to the lunchroom. And I remember there was a TV on in the corner and it was just running CBS, which was showing March madness and being like, Oh, this is so cool. I'm going to get to have this moment of seeing this person I know warming up with this basketball team. And, and yes, it, it, I get it. It should have probably been more of a red flag about, you know, future, let's just say credibility issues. But at the time it didn't seem, didn't seem to to rank but you're also very right that like it's crazy to think that this was a period of time where the way you found out stuff was like somebody came home for thanksgiving from college on the east coast yeah and you're all playing basketball because that's what we did all the time like pick up basketball with each other and then somebody says something and then you just believe it and you have no way to verify it there's no independent verification really i mean i guess i gotta call the school but you just don't even realize it's not happening until one day you're watching national television and observe it it does not seem to be plausible at

that point because you wouldn't be able just that that'd be the only way you would be able to see those games is when they finally made it to the national stage because no internet okay we are tight on time so you want to talk more about hairlines i believe i just i i this this i feel

i feel bad for the liberty coach richie mckay who's being interviewed at halftime i believe when liberty was being blown out yes again yet again this time by uh the oregon ducks and he has done something to his hair where he's he's he's put down some sort of a i don't know exactly what the product is it's doesn't it's not topic which is a thing that i have used in my hair a lot it which you kind of put in the areas of your hair where you have some hair but not as much as you'd like that's what topic does this is something different this is a little bit more like a kind of a shoe polish type of a deal or something that is filling in these kind of larger sections of forehead that are kind of imagine them as cul-de-sacs surrounding the isthmus of hair and he's got a really kind of like very very solid i guess you would call it hairline like a hairline that is doesn't not have the jaggedness of a natural hairline that a person would have that's kind of like the first dead giveaway is that it's so kind of like it's too uniform or whatever but it's also surprising yeah it's too straight it's way too straight and the internet quickly lost interest in the outcome of the basketball game and quickly picked up interest in what this guy was thinking and just has been uh mocking him as the jerky boys would say unmerciful for the last few days and i feel bad for this guy because i know exactly exactly the thought process which is i'm probably going to be on national tv a little insecure about kind of like, what my hair is doing these days. Is there something, and I have this feeling all the time about various issues with my head, face, and body, right, particularly right before I'm about to go do, like, a TV thing, but just generally, and, like, I know the feeling of being in the hotel room and knowing I'm going to go somewhere where they're going to be turning, like, cameras on and lights and feeling real crummy about my look and thinking, what could I do right now? What can i do to fix this so that i'll feel less crummy about my look and that's exactly the process that this guy went through because it sounds like by all accounts this is a new look for him there's some people who follow liberty basketball who are like yeah it didn't look like this earlier in the season like this isn't this guy's a deal there used to be a guy who was the coach of the purdue boilermakers gene katie who just had a world-class comb over and by that whether that i mean world-class bad comb over but he had it for 50 seasons it was just like that's just gene katie that's just what gene katie do this was like a thing this guy debuted for this game and like there's no way that it has not gotten back to him that everybody is is ripping him for this like it's like his hair from what i could tell he has a totally fine hairline for being a person of his age like nobody would have commented in fact maybe what i can do is take a lesson from this which is nobody has comment would have been commenting about this guy's hair no if he was just

talking about the basketball game he's his hair like a dude has like a person has yeah i saw the

before photo of what he usually looks like with his like you know i'm just gonna call it like kind of a widow's peak kind of thing um i you know i don't even have that anymore because my hair like i just have a little bit of strands up there but like in my the the men in my family like my dad My uncle, my grandfather, they all had that sort of like kind of widow's peaky thing. And I always said that there's faith.

He says we're the shape of Ohio with Lake Erie coming down in the middle there. So it's sort of that. But he just looks like a guy of a certain age with mostly a head of hair, except he's losing it up by his temples heading back. But it's not even that. I mean, again, I'm talking here more and more as just a straight up bald myself. But I would have taken that hair. He looks like a guy of a certain age who's a good looking guy.

Absolutely. He made it infinitely worse with this decision. and again maybe what my takeaway can be no funny stuff burbs just leave it alone just get out there get after it don't try because you know again i'm always there's always something going on with me that i'm like if only this one thing weren't happening whether it's a pimple or my weird eye stye or my just there's always something and and again i think probably i am the most aware of my whatever my something is on that given day and i'm probably that the chances of making it worse by trying something extreme like shoe polishing my forehead up is, I'm sure, a worse outcome than just kind of leaning in, just being me and just having faith that the rest of the world can roll with it. The other thing that's really interesting about this is he's pulling a total Carlos Boozer. Now, this will not probably ring any bells for you, Andrew, but there's been a previous incident of exactly this kind of hair care situation on a basketball court that is legendary among NBA fans. And that is, there's a guy named Carlos Boozer, who was a NBA player for many years. I believe he was a Duke graduate. And he, I guess his hair was kind of, you know, maybe thinning on top. I don't know, he kept it pretty short. He's an African-American guy. So it's like, I don't know, it all, if you would have said Carlos Boozer to me before this day, I would have been like, oh, the guy from Duke. I would have never been like the guy whose hair is thinning.

Oh, I do know this. I'm looking at the photos. I do know this because there was another guy who did almost this exact same thing. It might have been a college football coach who did almost this exact same thing recently during the last season. And so everybody kept calling him like they were all comparing him to Carlos Boozer. So I had to go and look up what the Boozer reference was.

The thing that's so great about the Carlos Boozer story is, OK, so he shows up at a game one day and he's just got his whole head is sort of blacked out with this on the scalp level with something very similar to what this guy. Richie McKay did except more extreme because it goes around his whole head and like the greatest part of it is now Carlos Boozer is very much on the record as laughing about him being like I don't know what I was thinking like the as opposed to being defensive about it or like there's nothing that makes me happier than hearing like old NBA heads talking to Carlos Boozer about what he was thinking with that hairdo it just gives me such joy in life so it's just surprising to me that this guy richie mckay he's a basketball person he has to be aware of the carlos boozer situation and he still he still decided to roll the dice on it and it had a pretty bad outcome for him

yeah uh it does i mean this is this is real paint your bald spot territory here it is paint your

bald spot what bald spot what bald spot my hair it grows this is where i try to do the whole thing All right. Okay. That is, I've got to go paint my bald spot before I record a bunch of live wire today. Why? It's a radio show. I don't know. It just makes me feel better. So that's going to do things for today, but we are going to be right back here tomorrow with more imaginary radio for all of you. So please, if you can join us for that. In the meantime, have a great Monday. Take care of yourselves. Use wisdom when painting your bald spots. And please remember, no mountain too tall. What bald spot? Good luck to all. My hair.

I just noticed something that in one of your interviews with John Candy, I believe, it looked like an older interview, you had less hair than you have today. How do you explain that?

I don't wear a wig, sir.

Paint your bald spot?

What bald spot?

You paint your bald spot?

I don't know what you're talking about, sir. My hair grows. You paint your bald spot? I don't have a bald spot.

How come you had less hair on the tape?

Maybe my hair grew. Maybe I had a bad haircut that day. By the way, something. What do you care? Paint your bald spot? I don't. Do you paint your bald spot? Paint your bald spot? You're sick. Power out.