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All right, just let me do the talking here, okay? I mean, he's a lawyer, I'm an accountant, we speak the same language. I mean, obviously, accountants are a little more bad boy, but, uh, there's a respect there. When will this be over? Hey, Trevor! I've been talking to Ron about estate planning, and he is here to do some goodwill hunting. He has to draw up a new will, so... Yes, I understand, Mr. Wyatt, thank you. As I've said before, I just don't like puns. Oh, well, my accountant friends seem to enjoy them.

T-B-T-L! You are not good at this because you are not believable in your face, okay? Your face? It's bad. The reason why I chose Comic Sans was because the letter was intended to be humorous. I mean, it was supposed to show that the letter was like a hilarious newspaper cartoon strip. Like Kathy.

So you've gone insane. That's fun. I thought, usually I don't think my brother's that much funny, but I gotta give him some credit for that one. That's a pretty good spoof.

Why don't we go get a beer? I'll give you some advice, and we can have what the kids are calling a sausage fest.

All right, hello, good morning, and welcome, everyone, to a Monday edition of TBT All the Show. This might be too beautiful to live. Hello, CD listeners. My name's Luke Burbank. I am your host. I'm a professional. Look it up in the book. Coming to you from the Madrona Hill studio perched high above the mighty Columbia where we barely survived a wet, windy weekend. I mean, it was sideways raining. I came home from my time in Portland to find one of my hummingbird feeders just shattered. The other one is still operational, though, so we're just going to redirect all of our resources towards the operational hummingbird feeder. But now today, it's weird. It's definitely not raining like it was yesterday. It's kind of an odd combination of, like, cloud fog. We've got the fog. And then also sunshine. California got sunshine. I have the window shade pulled because there was too much California got sunshine coming on one side of me. But then as I look out onto the mighty Columbia, I see a lot of cloud fog. Anyway, here we are, folks, ready to go on this Monday with episode 4584 in a collector series. Let the fun begin. exciting monday morning for tbtl because it turns out we may be in the running for a golden globe

of podcasting give me the gold i want to go as long as we're willing to pay a lot a lot of money

to the penske media corporation to be considered for the honor of winning a golden globe in the podcasting division everyone's got a podcast um i dressed up this weekend as a um i guess french guy from the 60s and there was something that happened uh connected to that to my dressing up for halloween this weekend that has me considering a pretty major decision in the hair department uh so we'll talk about that and speaking of cute hair let's talk about

this guy if you've got cute hair i'm gonna say damn girl you got some cute hair he got a haircut

last week on a rare thursday afternoon that was uncluttered for him he's also the longest running co-bro of the show, maybe best known for his depictions of the tall ships. He's Andrew Walsh. He's joining me right now. Good morning, my friend.

Good morning, Luke, and we just had another co-host enter the studio, literally as you introduced me. We got a bingo the cat here who might be interested in... We're going to see if he's interested in cracking a mic. I'm not quite sure yet, but he's definitely interested in...

If you could, I mean, honestly, he's sort of the third member of the podcast now because he's often in that room with you, certainly during our sound check. I would say it's now more it's more the case than not it's more often than not that during our sound check he jumps off of the shelf above you trampolines off of your back and goes off on his way that happens most mornings now but then he's usually gone by the time the show starts because he doesn't like your

podcasting voice he does not like my podcasting voice i know i've said this a million times but it's amazing when we're recording after these messages you know not alone he's not alone the reviews are in don't tell the golden globes committee but we'll genevieve and i will be in

here. $70,000 will take care of any of those problems, my friend. We'll be in

here together talking in our normal voices like the people that Bingo knows and lives with 24-7. We're all in the room together. And then we'll do a sound check. Everything is fine. And then the second we begin the show, and again, without headphones, the cat can't hear the theme music or drops or anything like that. It's just a shift in my voice when I say, hey everybody, welcome after these messages. He beelines it out of here like Like, I beelined it out of my dad's car when he was playing the Carpenters as a kid. And, of course, I was on the wrong side of history there. The Carpenters are awesome, but I didn't know it at the time.

Well, maybe that means that someday Bingo will appreciate the true majesty of this show. We're the Carpenters of podcasting.

I'm a waifish drummer, and you're my brother.

Is that the basic structure of the Carpenters?

Yes. No, no, no. He was the piano. He played piano. She played drums, right, I think? Yeah, I said a waifish drummer. Yeah, yeah, and he played. Karen Carpenter. Karen Carpenter did play drums.

By the way, I've heard underappreciated drummer. I see people who I don't know anything about. I don't know a flam rest from a phlegmy voice. But I've seen people on the internet saying Karen Carpenter was an underappreciated drummer. She really kind of slapped.

I saw that, too, at one point. I don't know how much she drummed once they became huge stars, though. I don't picture, I don't know. I'm literally saying I don't know. I feel like she might have done that earlier in their career. But then once they became huge stars, can't you picture her in some sort of an almost evening gown? Maybe I'm conflating my 70s.

Don't praise the machines, but you and AI Overview are fairly aligned on this, Andrew. Oh, great. Karen Carpenter was a talented drummer who co-founded the Carpenters with her brother, Richard, but her singing career eventually overshadowed her drumming. She preferred to be known as a drummer who sings.

Oh, cool.

And was initially the band's full-time drummer, playing on all of their songs before 1974. Her drumming was highly praised by her peers, including the legend Hal Blaine.

Oh, Hal Blaine was on board with that?

Mm-hmm.

Is there a hyper leak there? Do we know who that is?

He's no Gene Krupa.

No. Or the guy from the Romantics.

That's my other drumming reference I could make.

What about the guy from the Romantics? Didn't he drum and sing at the same time? It's what I like about you. That's the only time I'm doing that. I just remember the video from the 80s.

I thought that was definitely not your worst singing impression.

You know what I'm talking about, right?

Well, I know the song, and I don't think I've ever seen... I've never got eyes on what the Romantics actually looked like. I definitely know that song, but I didn't know that that was a...

It's strange to see, and I'm going to say something here that is going to insult both drummers and left-handed people. Uh-oh. That's a huge part of our demo, my friend. I know, that's like a third of our audience right there. And I do mean this with sincere peace and love, but it is sort of strange, especially for a song like that, which is very lyrics-heavy, you know, and like a very poppy song. I just remember watching that video and thinking that it's a strange thing to watch, not unlike when somebody grabs a pen with their left hand and starts writing and i'm just not ready

for it i'm like oh wow that's an interesting thing to see well uh i've always found it like kind of from a just a cardio standpoint pretty impressive yeah someone is the doing the drumming but i also think it's a it must be a it must be a funny conversation again i say this with peace and love to drummers drummers have every bit as much of a right to be the leads on bands as anybody playing any other instrument but there is because it is rare you got your phil collins right you've got your guy from the romantics you got your karen carpenter pre-1974 but it is it is not the usual to see the drummer also being like the singer and so i wonder about that first band practice when the band is getting together and you got the the person's got the guitar and the mic and then the bass player maybe another guitar and then the guy in the back on the drums that's like all right let's go for our first song and the guy on the drum starts singing and everyone just goes wait wait, what are you doing? He's like, no, I'm the singer. They're like, well, you're the drum guy. Yeah, but I'm also the singer.

Am I totally wrong about this? Is he just doing backup? No, no, there it is. Okay, I started freaking out for a second because... Are you watching a muted version of the Matrix video for what I like about you? It begins with, like, it looks like a guitar player singing into a mic.

As long as he says, keep on whispering in my ear, tell me all the things that I want to hear because that's true. As long as he says that part, he is, in my mind, the lead singer.

So let's see here. Everybody's sort of singing right now, kind of doing this part. This is the drummer right here. Okay, good. You're right. Oh, yeah. These are the money lines. Now, my question for you is, does he sing lead on all of the Romantics songs, or is it just this one song?

This is the part where I bet you $1,000 you can't name another Romantics.

I certainly cannot. And it would be interesting if you are right. Like, wasn't there a joke? I remember my musician friends had a joke that was something like, what were the drummer's last words before he got kicked out of the band, which was, hey, guys, want to try one of mine? I think that gets close to the joke that was bandied about in the 90s. But I do wonder if the romantics were like, oh, OK, yeah, you can do one song, and then it ends up being their one huge hit. Or is he, the drummer, the lead on all of their songs?

This is not causing me. This is allowing me, Andrew. This is an opportunity. for me to spend some time on the Romantics Wikipedia page. By the way, from Detroit, Michigan. Oh, really? That's cool. Which kind of makes sense to me. I feel like there was a lot of music coming out of Detroit. I'm not talking about Motown, obviously. No, Luke, I can't think of any music. I mean, it's sort of like Stooges, MC5, Seeger era. You know what I mean? Just like there was, I feel like I have a second wave of Detroit music. And so what I'm trying to do, by the way, they played various venues in their early days, including the Agora in Cleveland. Oh, heck yeah. Oh, yeah, of course.

Very much. So, yeah, yeah.

The album sold, the first album sold roughly 200,000 copies. It yielded the hit What I Like About You, which reached number 49 in the U.S. Wow. Only number 49 in the U.S.? I would have thought it was a number one hit. I think that's a pretty famous song.

Yeah. You would think that in its heyday, it would have at least topped the charts.

They loved it in Australia. It got to number two in Australia, where the band was especially popular. As all four members, Andrew, we're getting to the important part of this now. As all four members were singers, the straightforward beat of What I Like About You lent the opportunity for drummer Jimmy Marinos to take the vocals. So just

that song, because I typed in, while you were doing all that, I just typed in, who is the Romantics lead singer? And I see that's somebody named Wally Palmer. And there's a photo of him here. He's holding something. It's got strings on it. I don't think they're drumsticks. It ain't a drum. It is not holding a drum.

But that's really, so from what I'm getting from this Wikipedia article, it's like, think about the again this is a non-drummer talking about a groove but like probably what i like about you had such a sort of steady beat to it it involves such it was so not varied that it was like well let's give this one to the drummer because like he can play the drums and sing the song it's not the time signature is not changing throughout a bunch and like then it

ends up being their big hit and the words are kind of on the beat right a little bit like i I don't know much about it.

That's what I like about you.

Like, da-da-da-da-da-da. He's basically playing the drums with his mouth. That's my, that's... Oh, look at you drinking from your little TBTL mug. That's an OG TBTL mug.

Oh, my face is melting. Yeah, you're, I gotta be honest with you. It's about quality. It's really about quality of life for your decal on this coffee mug. At this point, we're just trying to make you comfortable. You knew that I liked to be clean. Because you're not long for it.

You put me in the dishwasher.

I started with no face, by the way. My character never had a face, but... And mine had glasses. But actually, can we... Yeah, let's transition. Is this a good transition? Can we take the opportunity? Because it's actually very funny. This representation of me on this coffee mug is legitimately related to something that I wanted to talk about with you today based on my dressing up this weekend, my Halloween stuff. This, the image of me that they use... So I'm holding up this kind of like... I guess it's actually sort of maybe Tiffany Blue coffee mug maybe it's a greenish blue anyway uh that we offered as a tbtl thank you gift i think

back in our american public media yeah best thing's probably about 10 years old it's got the art that megan made for us that we use as a logo for a long time sort of our face yeah it's got

your face and my face um you've got glasses on i don't have there's less distinction to my face but i do have pretty distinct hair in this thing and if i remember right the this image of me is actually the original photograph was i think some some sort of publicity shot from cairo from the cairo days i think they took a picture of me and i think i kind of liked the picture so i think when we moved to apm and somebody there said or somebody somewhere said hey can we get a picture of you i think i started submitting that one because i think i kind of liked it now that picture will come back um to be part of the story in a little bit so this weekend for halloween uh because this was sort of like the de facto Halloween. Well, you know, actually, I think Friday will be the de facto Halloween because it's a Friday night, so people are probably going to go buck wild, which makes me wonder why were we all going so hard on Saturday with the Halloween? I noticed a lot of people were in costume. I was at this pet costume contest. Sometimes when Halloween falls on like a Wednesday or Thursday, then the preceding weekend is going to be when the people who like to do Halloween stuff are kind of, you know, leaning in, except in this case, they're kind of double dipping, right?

Yeah, didn't I ask you that last week when you mentioned that? i was like i don't understand why we're a full week away from halloween and everybody's treating last you know this weekend that we're just coming off of as halloween weekend it's literally halloween weekend next week people are just like doing that thing that they do with their

birthdays it's like hey it's halloween month now i will say this as far as this pet costume contest at scott's bar becca's brother's bar 21st um in portland it's because to do that on saturday the saturday after halloween would be kind of i think people would be a little bit gassed you know what i mean like so halloween itself is a friday night people will go out people are going to be going crazy this friday night but as far as like if you're doing a saturday event at a bar that's

more of an early it's not it's during the day it was like a two in the app or four in the afternoon

it's just it's just i think it's harder to get people to it's weird why would we care But I think it's harder to get people in a celebratory Halloween-y mood the day after Halloween at a bar in the daylight than, let's say, a week before. But so Becca wanted to dress—we've now dressed up—I didn't even realize this. I think at least three Halloweens, going back three Halloweens, if not further, we've dressed up as kind of some sort of a package deal. The year of all the Barbie stuff, we were Ken and Barbie, but I was Ken Jennings. um uh then last year we were ben and jerry i was ben franklin she was jerry blank from uh from strangers with candy and then this year because we've been babysitting becca's been babysitting gigi the poodle uh becca thought well why don't we just do something french like put some bows some some french bows in the dog's hair which is really her ears and um and then becca was going to dress up in the kind of the beret and sort of like a french gal from the 60s and then I was going to be kind of like a French mod from a Godard film, by the way. Shout out to the listener, David, who spotted me on Instagram in a photo and said, you're dressing exactly like I do all the time out of a Godard film, like a band of outsiders. So I was going to, I got like a kind of a, I actually went to H&M and bought a suit that was too small for me because, you know, I wanted to try to look like a cool French guy from the 1960s with like a half smoked cigarette and a black skinny tie and a suit that was a little bit too small and critically andrew because i found this one photo of a french guy from the 60s looked pretty cool he had this kind of like tousled sort of tousled hair tousled jet black hair so i wanted to try to do that to kind of complete the look so i get the suit we get all we get all get the get the hairspray at cvs on on saturday and i get in the suit and everything and i get all ready to go and then becca goes oh we got to like um we got to spray your hair because my hair is very gray now on the sides. It's pretty much pure gray getting towards white. Everything that's on the lower part of my head is now fully gray, and the top of my head has a lot of gray in it. And here's the thing about my hair. I've talked about it endlessly on the show that I put a powder in it sometimes so that my hair looks a little less thin on top. I take a generic version of finasteride, which is a pill that I think was supposed to uh reduce prostate inflammation in its original conception but they noticed that the guys who were taking it were growing hair that they didn't intend to and so like every pretty much every life-saving drug in america it immediately was converted for its cosmetic use like enough with the cancer oh this uh makes your earlobes smaller yeah everybody start taking it You look beautiful in that casket. Yeah, precisely. I'm having a fully open casket, Andrew. I mean, head to toe, and I'm talking— Oh, no. Full. No clothing.

Oh, no.

Yeah, when I say fully open casket, I mean— Full frontal casket. Full frontal casket.

Oh, no. That's rough stuff. Yeah, that's our show title on this Monday.

Also, it's kind of Halloween. It kind of has a Halloween vibe to it. Sure, yeah. Absolutely. so anyway i i of all the things about my hair over the years that have it's caused me anxiety the thing that's never caused me anxiety is the fact that it's going gray that is something that hasn't has not bothered me i have been like yeah that's what my hair is doing i just don't care i've always been like i'd like personally i'd like to have enough of it left that it goes gray yeah like to me having gray hair is the existence of gray hair presupposes the fact that you still

have hair yeah i've always thought that i've you know even like even as a kid when i kind of knew i was going to lose my hair just based on family history and the way things were going i still always thought i would look at people like steve martin or whatever and say boy you know like it's you know white or gray hair can is is really cool looking and you have a full head of it why not

and also by the way another thing too i want to be careful with how i'm talking about this but i also think that when somebody particularly a guy I guess is losing their hair when their hair then starts to go gray I think it actually really kind of like can really make the look sort of nice like I think having having gray hair that's that's thinning or maybe has gone away it all just kind of makes sense visually based on just what we've seen what the experience is I've always thought well if my if what's left of my hair goes away but but my hair is kind of gray it makes visual sense it just says that's the point in life i'm at it just says i'm getting closer to death and that's fine but here's what happened on saturday so becca spray first of all whatever the whatever the propulsion the accelerant is in a can of like black hair it's not hair spray i guess it's hair

coloring you know we bought the stuff for halloween oh yeah yeah yes the temporary hair coloring spray

temporary hair coloring stuff right this was called this was they were trying to sell this year round it was had something on the bottle about like root cover-up i think it's like if you're someone i guess the official use would be if you're someone who is coloring your hair but then of course what happens is the roots are growing out and so now you like all of your hair might be a a lustrous black but now your roots are actually gray they're growing out and now you want to spray this on your roots so that the roots of your hair match the rest of your hair i think that's the that's the stated but but we bought it just to you know make all of my hair look black like the guy in the

photograph i'm not convinced that the root spray isn't some sort of subsidiary of root sports and it's just john stanton's way of affording a third base next year but we will see they've actually

just and by the way they've just announced that they're turning it over to mlb yes of course they are mlb will now be doing all the updates on my root cover-up yes spray stuff so the first thing that i was shocked by with it was uh how freaking freezing that stuff is when when becca was spraying it on me it was physically cold the spray it was like spraying ice onto my body now when i was ken jennings a few years ago i she sprayed my hair blonde and what's weird is the blonde spray didn't seem to be nearly as cold i don't know why the color would matter maybe it was a different product or something but as she's spraying this on i'm like oh my god that's really like intensely cold on my head and i was also shocked at how long the process took because it turns out my hair is mostly gray now and in order to cover it all up in order for all of it to be black like the guy in the photo i was trying to be it took a considerable amount of this hairspray coloring stuff and it took a while we finally get it all on there and i mean i thought it looked absolutely ridiculous i thought i looked sort of like you we've all seen this person who's maybe you know definitely a person who's uh who's who's up there in years but they're dying their hair like a jet black but it's pretty clear that if they were not dying at their hair would be much more gray because of their age particularly i see this with guys sometimes and it's like you know you just kind of see somebody who's got this like maybe they're in their 70s or 80s and they have just dark black hair and you kind of my thought is always like that's that is not maybe having the desired effect of causing us to think that your hair is that color like you might want to tone it maybe tone it back like two shades like maybe that that level of jet black is a little bit it doesn't quite fit with the rest of the picture that's who I looked like and I by the way look nothing like the guy in the photo I just gave that up immediately like I was not going to look like a very cool attractive 27 year old french guy from the 1960s it turned out that was not a realistic goal for me with this halloween costume but here's what else happened as we're going around that day we're going to various places becca kind of says wow and and by the way becca very much likes my hair as is very complimentary towards me maybe too complimentary towards me it's not somebody who's got me in my head about my looks or my hair color at all but she did say she goes wow i just keep catching you out of the corner of my eye you look like 10 years younger she was like it is crazy how much younger you look with this hair dyed down like this i was like oh yeah right whatever and then i start checking it out in the mirror when i'm like going into the bathroom at the bar doing different things i'm catching myself in the mirror as i'm walking into different spaces and stuff and kind of like going oh i guess i do i do look a little and she goes you know what you kind of look like she goes there's this picture of you on the internet which andrew

by the way i'm pretty sure is the original picture that has been you know adapted for our coffee mug she goes you kind of look that there's a picture of you on the internet that you kind of look like by the way one of like three i feel good pictures that have ever been taken of me and so that was i don't think she realized what she was saying but that was now of course you know me andrew that's like oh could i go back to those days could i go back to those those halcyon days of like when my hair was much darker and i was a little bit younger and maybe a little less jowly and like you know just the ravages of time were not what they were i guess my point in all this is to say i have never for one second of my life considered actually coloring my hair and i'm still not there yet but what i feel like this weekend was was a small seed was planted a seed a seed. I mean, listen, I'm living in a forest of vanity already, but an acorn of an acorn of new a new special kind of vanity was planted this weekend, which I think will eventually grow into a tree of me coloring my hair. I am going to be that guy who's in his maybe like 70s or 80s, who's got jet black hair and is sitting on the E line and is going to be fooling absolutely no one. But I'm going to be doing it because it never even occurred to me that my my hair being a little bit less gray would actually have the effect of making me look a little bit less 50 i am astounded sometimes

at how i walk this earth and think that i know you so well and in a lot of ways this is surprising you and i do know each other very well i just can't believe how damn wrong i would be about something and by the way what i'm about to say you should do whatever you want with your hair And that's fine. I'm not I'm not weighing in with a judgment on this decision or possible. Let's call it a pre-decision. But you put something in the show sheet today about, yeah, something happened this weekend that changed my outlook or the way I'm going to do something. I don't remember what it was, but it was intriguing. And I was like, oh, that's interesting. And then during the intro of the show today, you mentioned that it was hair related. And I think you even maybe mentioned that it was Halloween related. And somewhere in the back of my head, Luke, and this is, I am, who am I to think that I know you? I thought, oh, I'll bet you Luke got a glimpse of himself. And by the way, I always think your hair looks nice and you describe what goes into it. And I don't see that with my naked eye. Like, oh, you do not look like a man who is putting all the work into your hair that you say. I think your hair looks very nice. I say that sincerely. But when I heard your intro, I thought that you were going to say I caught a glimpse of myself or something on Halloween and thought, I don't need to jump through all these hoops anymore. I'm a man of a certain age. Nope. And I can let my hair be natural. And I honestly thought, oh, this will be kind of interesting because obviously I gave up. This will be refreshing.

The word you were thinking of was refreshing.

I gave up on my looks back when I was about 13, 14 years old. So, you know, consider the source. I'm not trying to. But but how dumb was I to think that, like, Luke's going to kind of just he's going to take this opportunity to maybe say, hey, I'm 50 now. I'm going to go a little bit more natural. It's like, nope. Get out the shoe polish. Get out the shoe polish.

We're going deep. So anyway, we're getting more hoops. I need all the hoops. Get them in here.

I bought a hoop factory in Germany.

Well, I called it. I called. Oh, yeah. I thought that was a I bought a bowling alley. That was a Henry's. That was a Harry's razor. joke but yes I um yeah I I have never and then the thing was I didn't I didn't I was so tired because again it's so rare that I stay out past the hour of 9 p.m anymore it's so it really is kind of rare that I go out slash stay out we weren't even out that late I think we were out till like 9 30 but that was plenty for me that was enough that when we got back to Becca's place I was like I was like I cannot wash this stuff out of my hair I got to go to sleep I'm tired oh oh no oh no no no no we we addressed that i said can i get a towel or something to put over one of the pillows because i don't want to mess up the pillowcase well you have like a weird pillow here that you brought one time and i was like fetch me my weird pillow she got me my pillow and i don't

mean that in the mike lindell sense but you don't don't mean in the mike lindell sense either i slept

i don't not mean it in the mike lindell sense in that we're both bankrupt um but i got so i slept on i slept on the pillow that i brought over and boy did it take a beating that night but i got up in the middle of the night to pee say and and again it's like i'm groggy and i turn on the light to go into the bathroom and then as i'm sort of washing my hands kind of still trying to keep my eyes mostly closed i'm trying to not fully wake up again it's like my hair it just it just was so much darker and it was and it just it presented so much differently in the world and i guess it's just this is something that for all of my vanity and all of my um mods my modifications that i think about trying to do on myself to forestall the inevitable and blah blah blah it's like hair changing the color of my hair has literally never been on the list but i guess what i realized was like oh this is why people do that i'm not gonna go do that starting tomorrow but it was like it's just strange to me that like of all the things that i've done to try to impact how i present in the world that one was just never on the list and now i guess i would say it's it's closer to being on the list than it ever was before because of a joke a joke halloween costume hair decision um so you know well watch the space hey speaking of um our big night out on on this yeah i want to hear more about this event well the the the halloween the dog uh dog contest was It was really fun. There were many prizes were given. Many cute dogs were dressed up. It was all kinds of different outfits. A lot of people showing up in inflatable costumes. I was calling them freedom fighters. That's the move in Portland. Basically, the whole town is sold out of inflatable anything. Now, if you wear, particularly a frog, if you wear an inflatable frog costume in Portland, you are aligning yourself with justice and the fight for democracy.

I would say that it started in Portland, But I will say that after that No Kings protest, that was just last Saturday. right wasn't that last weekend that was the no it seems like that is definitely jumped into the national discourse I think that the people in any party stores that are selling or renting those costumes are doing quite well brisk

business also yesterday we went to the Oregon Symphony they had this great kind of it was like spooky music which just means an excuse to play oh you would have loved this Andrew the Batman soundtrack I mean among other things it was like you know they played the theme from psycho they played uh you know a bunch of different just like pop orchestral a lot of movie soundtrack stuff but also from the uh the tim burton batman

man the danny elfman danny elfman i kept on thinking mr oingo boingo how can i not think

that's who you're thinking of man that is a great piece of music they played they also played um some stuff from wizard of oz including this part that was not actually in the in the movie there's kind of jitterbug scene in the middle of the famously that was intended to be in the middle of the of the movie and they um they didn't include it in the final version of the film but you can see it on youtube and stuff and they're playing and it's beautiful and then they just cut in they eventually get into like somewhere over the rainbow i mean these were a lot of medleys to hear a full orchestra do somewhere over the rainbow like with no vocals just the just the orchestration of it it was like i was holding back tears also half of the orchestra was dressed like frogs which was amazing is this true i'm being totally serious they like um they basically said it's you know it's halloween dress up however you want so the whole orchestra this is like 100 people are all just dressed up as like whatever they want to be so there's frogs there's one the guy one of the guys on the huge upright bass was the grim reaper and he was like like on rollerblades so he kind of looked like he was floating around the stage whoa with his whole percussion section his bass wasn't on wheels his bass was not on wheels but as he entered the the stage at the schnitz he sort of he was gliding between all the other people it was a very effective the um the percussion guys were all rocker dudes they all had like sunglasses and kind of like long hair the thing about percussion I don't know the last time you were at like a like a full symphony performance of anything, Andrew. The percussion guys, boy, drummers are really coming in for it today on TBT.

I was going to say, did they let them sing?

It always feels to me like the percussion guys are kind of phoning it in, but they're actually doing a very important thing, like the triangle. Because you're watching, okay, the orchestra is like, you know, you've got all these people that have spent their, I mean, their life. in the study and the practice of of of the viola or the violin or the oboe and these just i you watch somebody play the violin at that level and if you're somebody like me you just think i could never in my in my life if i dedicated every hour of my life to i could never do that that is impossible to me then you watch a guy who's got like a wig on and sunglasses and a metallica t-shirt and he's playing a triangle. And you go, I could do that. I feel like I could pull that one off.

That reminds me of, and again, if somebody's playing the triangle, they probably have a deep knowledge and skill base that they're playing on other things. But it does remind me of, I've been listening to, you like the band The Sundays as well, right? Oh, I sure do.

It puts me in a mood, though.

Yeah, and so I've been listening to that first record a lot lately, reading, writing, and arithmetic. By the way, sorry to steal the mic for a second here. And so I had in the back of my head that I've been listening to this record, maybe I pulled it out a couple of weeks ago or whatever. And I say pulled it out, I mean just digitally. And so I'm just regretting a lot of words today. And anyway, I was like, oh, this is one that I— I don't even let you talk. How could you be regretting words? No, I know.

I've been dominating the conversation.

I just said I pulled it out digitally, and I'm just like, I don't think that that thing, those, that, moving on. But I had it in the back of my head the past couple of weeks. oh this is something I should definitely get on vinyl because this is a record that I love from my youth I will listen to it a lot and it's just I always like to have a list of just sort of like oh yeah if I'm in a record store look for this one just give me something to look for and for me the idea is maybe you never even find it or it takes years but eventually you stumble on it I walked into I was on the bus heading into Ballard I had to get some stuff done in Ballard I'm like oh you know what while I'm there I'll stop in Sonic Boom Records I'm on the bus by the way I'm looking up I'm reading about the Sundays on their Wikipedia page because I didn't really know much about the band's makeup or whatever. I get to the part of the Wikipedia article that describes the lineup. And one of the people is just it's like lists four people. And one of them is just like tambourine from 1992 to 1995. And I sent it to my friends. And again, I don't mean any disrespect. I have no idea what's going on with that person. But it's just funny to see like, well. There was a period between 1992 and 1995 that I was crushing it on the tambourine for the Sundays, but no other credits that I could see that I found interesting. Here's where I'll wrap up my story, and then we'll get back to yours. My apologies for the interruption. Luke, I walk into Sonic Boom Records. The display case right in front of me is just chock-a-block with this record and their second record blind. And you don't believe in a dog. And I'm trying to figure out if it was re-released recently. i thought it was re-released a couple of years ago or something i have no idea i even said to the person i was giving them my backpack i was like you probably don't want me knocking things over in your store with my backpack you can put it behind the counter and i'm like also i'm sorry for this boring story but i came in here to like just see if you guys might have this record and it's the first thing you have as i walk in and she's like yeah sometimes it just happens sometimes it'd be like that anyway uh i was really shocked by that but now um back to your story by the way

speaking of very lush orchestral arrangements like uh what's the um oh wait you know what that's not true i was just doing something there andrew i was conflating in my mind the cranberries on sundays i did see a cranberries because i was thinking about linger by the cranberries which has that really beautiful strings kind of beginning to it uh and i say that with peace and love to dolores o' riordan rest in peace um i know the cranberries are not the Sundays. I actually, my relationship with the Sundays is, I've probably told this story before and I'll try to keep it pretty brief, but I had that same, I had that CD, reading, writing, and arithmetic, and my senior year of high school, I only had three classes because I had transferred schools and at Jesus Creek, I had like almost gotten enough credit to graduate from high school. I just needed a few little credits here and there. So there was a significant part of my senior year where I would just be done with school at like 11 in the morning or something, so I would come back home. And for whatever reason, the house would be empty, which is weird considering how many kids there were, but I guess everybody was at school or somewhere. My mom would be out in the wind. And I would sit on the... I would get on our sofa in the living room, and I would put that CD in, and I would listen to it, and I would pull this very... We had a very shitty Afghan blanket, which, you know, it like was knitted so that it was... Do we call it an Afghan?

I think so. Yeah. And isn't it kind of, is that, is that crochet or am I using my sewing terms? It's crocheted. Yeah. It's got, you can, your toe, if you fall asleep in it, your toes will poke out the holes by the end of your neck.

Right. And what I, what I always say about an Afghan is it's, it's more not blanket than it is blanket, which I've never understood.

It's like jazz. It's, it's the space in between the blanket. Yeah.

That's what I'm trying to say And like And so I would get under this Very This Not particularly Warming blanket And I would listen to that CD As it was raining outside Because it would be That time of year And I would think I cannot believe I'm about to be a father Oh yeah What

I mean this album This album already Has that sort of emotion That's why I said It puts me in the mood Wow yeah Definitely

Because it's It's such a great record I love it so much But it's like I cannot And I I mean I still listen to it to this day and i definitely if i hear it on you know a pandora or whatever i'm not nexting it like i love i love love love the sundays but it will forever catapult me back to that moment of my life you know because it is it's a kind of in a way it's a little bit of a would you say wistful yeah wistful is a great a little bit yeah so all right so back to the triangle pulling back to to saturday night to the triangle i do want to say this about the percussion guys I was watching them intently, the whole performance And the thing is, what they're doing is super important It really is First of all, they have to read music They have to really know how to read their music Because the timing is so critical And every time there was a cool thing happening with the performance It was because the percussion It was because they were coming in with that triangle It's because they were coming in with the timpani It's because they were doing a tambourine, Andrew Like, it's sort of like this thing where you're kind of not doing a whole lot until you are, and then when you are doing something it's totally critical to the song the song would not sound the same, the experience from the audience perspective would not be the same without these folks on percussion, so I want to make sure that I'm honoring that craft but it is kind of a thing where it's like you're waiting, you're waiting, you're waiting, then you hit the thing then you're waiting, waiting, waiting, then you hit the thing again and they're always quietly putting something down and then quietly picking up the next thing that they're about to be dealing with

you know anyway well you know my old boss Vince Duffy the then news director at KUOW told me one time there was some task that I had to do that was related to like remember radio stations used to be real sticklers about like you'd have to do this one EAS thing not even an on-air task but you'd have to go in oh yeah push one button and grab a little piece of paper off of the machine that spit it out and log it somewhere, right? We all had to have these licenses from the FCC. in order to work at a radio station and do weird things like that. And it was such a holdover from a different time. But anyway, I remember one of my jobs was to do that literally once a shift. I had to go into this one room with all this tech and literally push one button and then tear a little receipt out of the machine, I think. And my boss warned me and said, these are the hardest jobs. The thing that you only have to do once a day is the hardest job to do because if you miss it, you miss it, and it's so easy to not work into your routine. think about if these triangle players missed their moment you could argue it's the hardest job and also if they come in at the wrong time it's really going to be noticeable

that was the part that stressed me out you're absolutely right I was seriously like I mean I know these guys these people know what they're doing they're in the Portland Symphony so they're good at this but I was always just like okay please hit this at exactly the moment you're supposed to hit it and they always did It turns out it was a very fun day on Saturday, but there were many people dressed up as frogs in the symphony, and that made me very happy. I feel like that, I don't know, anywhere we can be pushing back. But back to Saturday night, so the costume contest was really fun, and then Beck and I went out and just kind of visited a few different places, kind of did a little food here, a little food there. We did end up at this restaurant called La Orange that has a very good reputation in Portland and is very hard to get a table at. And initially when I got there, I was like, oh, boy, Andrew would hate this because there's nowhere to wait. It's in an old Victorian house that's been converted. And so we get there, and the host says, oh, your table's not quite ready, so why don't you just wait here? And I'm looking where here is. and here is a tight hallway, because again, it's a house. It'd be like if the waiting area was in a hallway in your house, Andrew. You're in Genevieve's house. It just so happened that what is currently your living room was the kitchen or something.

I've been in a restaurant like that in Wallingford. You've probably been there, too. Do you know the place I'm talking about? Tilth, I think it's called, or something along those lines. Isn't that in a converted house, too? You literally wait on a porch or something. This sounds like a different style and probably fancier, But I've eaten in a house That's been turned into a restaurant before It is a strange feeling

And I was just like okay We'll just flatten And also it's like all the servers have to go through this It's like how they get to one of the other dining areas And we're like Flattening ourselves up against the wall To try to make room for everyone who needs to go through here And I was like I don't know about this And then we sit down and it's one of those things Where the server kind of has that vibe of like Tonight I have Tonight my morels are freshly harvested From and I'm just like Say we just say we

Everything in my mind is

Rebelling against this experience Except for the fact that It was the best food that I've had I was going to say yeah It was so good Because Becca and I don't eat a ton of like red meat We are all Often going to a restaurant that's like Everyone's raving about it but because we aren't getting The thing they're like known for We're always like I don't know it's just it's it's often the case that we're not getting the full positive experience of a place we're like it was fine or whatever and that goes for a lot of like places in portland that are considered very she she this was incredible it was like every i mean it was it was a totally amazing meal and i would highly recommend to anyone in portland if you get a chance to go to this lorange place just you have to put up with the fact that it's very uncomfortable to wait to go to your table but everything else about it was amazing big fan but this is what happened on our way to that restaurant andrew so we were bopping around in various lifts and ubers and um i'll spare you the details of us almost getting in two different fights at a bus stop as we were leaving restaurant number two well i won't spare you the details i'll give you the details really quickly we're coming out of we had gone to this little kind of wine bar restaurant called okay amen amens to get a little glass of wine and a little appetizer this was on our way uh this was the the the penultimate stop in the night this was the stop before we went to larange we're coming out of that place we had called an uber and our uber who was a very nice person who i i think spoke fairly limited english had just it was raining like crazy and our uber pulls up outside the restaurant and unknowingly has pulled into a bus lane has pulled up near a bus stop and now there are two people that are waiting for the bus and the bus is also pulling up and obviously this this uber driver is not supposed to be there but this uber driver one thing they're in a very small car they are actually there is more than plenty of room for the bus and the and the and the car to be there the car is not supposed to be there the car is in the wrong place but it's also not like right in front of the bus stop it's kind of ahead of the bus stop so it's it's impinging on the situation, but not to a degree. That makes it so that the bus is not able to do what it's supposed to do. And here's what happens. We come out of the restaurant. We're walking towards, nobody even associates us with this Uber. But there's this individual, this guy, and I presume his girlfriend or whatever, there's two people that are waiting for the bus. And when this Uber pulls up and is kind of somewhat in the bus area and pulls over, this guy and whoever he's with, they just unload a string of expletives on this Uber driver. just this like righteous indignation of just like f you in the effing bus lane like menacing him the guy was really large too just like kind of and i could see that the uber driver is in the car like really kind of freaked out for his safety these guys are like yelling at him and and like and the

bus by the way is now waiting for them the bus is pulled into its area it's got the door open the uber driver like floors and he gets out of there he's like yikes sorry and this guy's just like yeah and he's getting on the bus i go like was that really necessary and the guy like look turns around and looks at me like what and then he starts screaming at me he's like i'll break your nose this guy who had been yelling at the uber driver as he's getting on the bus and i was like yeah yeah yeah i was i was like if this guy really wants to fight me he's not going to also be boarding the bus as he's yelling i'm going to break your nose so i was like whatever like you

don't have to be a jerk to people i will say generally speaking the threat of punching somebody in the nose is kind of a classic that I feel like is, I don't know, underappreciated in this day and age. Now, breaking of the nose is a little bit more violent than I would say, but if he had yelled, I'm going to punch you in the nose, you'd be like, you know what? He said, I'm going to punch you in the nose or I'm going to break your nose. Oh, I find them both to be quaint, honestly. Yeah, the punching, I'm going to punch you in the nose, though, is really way cuter than I'm going to break your nose. That's playing the results a little bit.

You're right about that. But actually, that's part of why I didn't feel overly threatened. Because it wasn't like, I'm going to shoot you. I'm going to kill you. It was like, I'm going to do something.

Why I oughta?

I'm going to spray you with a bottle of seltzer water. It felt quaint. It didn't feel very actually threatening to me. It felt more like he was just in a mood. He was yelling. and but uh but so that this was the craziest part so we're now trying to so the uber is gone now the uber has disappeared because he was getting screamed at by this guy so much probably thought

and so there was you boy these customers are getting worse and worse probably thought luke burbank it's a zero star i parked and he started screaming i know right i should actually check my

writing so the um so so now that guy and his whoever he's with they're getting on the bus but another guy who looks kind of like him has been just walking up the street unassociated with this and becca turns and in her mind she thinks the guy has gotten off the bus and is coming to fight me which he hasn't he's now on the bus so she turns and she sees a different kind of burly guy kind of longish hair and thinks he's now here to fight me and so she's kind of saying to him should have puts her arm out to his shoulder and i know it's not the guy obviously she puts his arm on his shoulders like come on come on don't or something and he is like weird for him it was and by the way he was also how do i put this he was a little rough around the edges too this guy was it so he wasn't just like he wasn't like miss you may have mistaken me for someone else he was just like get your effing hands off me to her now and to me and now of course i have to be like keep going keep it moving buddy keep it moving we and that was fine nothing happened he would but he was very resistant to becca interacting with him at all and she was confused thinking he was the guy coming off the bus i was like i can't believe we had two near fights in 20 tops, 20 seconds trying to just get to this Uber. But anyway. But he did mention

that you looked way younger with your hair spray

painted. And honestly, that's why I gave him five stars. Top flight review. So that guy loops back around and finally, we finally get in the car and I was like, hey, sorry about that. He was like, yeah, I didn't know what was going on or whatever. I said, yeah, that's like a bus lane. He said, oh, I didn't realize or whatever. I was like, okay. So we're trying to go to the restaurant. We get stuck behind a train there's this train that goes through portland that's not like a uh passenger train it's you know it's freight portland has this weird design as a city where because you know seattle has those huge trains but they it's it's generally organized so that you you won't get stuck on one side of it as just a person who's trying to commute in seattle you know there's overpasses there's different ways that it's it's sort of set up so that you you can't literally get stuck behind a train for 45 minutes portland doesn't have that there is this section of Portland. Kind of on the east side On the southeast side of Portland Where you literally can just get stuck On the wrong side of this train That's just parked for some reason For like 30 to 40 minutes It's just like a complete day ruiner And so we get stuck on the other side of the train I'm trying to call the restaurant that we're going to To say I know our reservation is like At 9 or whatever But we are on the wrong side of the train They're not picking up Because no restaurants of a certain level of fanciness now Answer their phones anymore

I don't know any restaurants that answer their phones anymore.

I guess I'm not trying to call Chipotle as much as I'm trying to call Laurent.

That's true.

But I bet you Chipotle doesn't answer their phone either. We should test. But so we're sitting there. We have all this time to kill. We're waiting for the train. And I'm now making small talk with our Uber driver, who's kind of like he's calmed back down. He's all right. And very like, you know, English is definitely not his first language. And so we're having this conversation, but there's a bit of a language barrier. and we're talking, I forget what we're talking about. Oh, I know he's, he happens to be originally from Ukraine and we're talking about Ukraine and we're talking about, and he's talking about some people that he knows in the Vancouver, Washington area. And he's somehow the subject of poker comes up. And when I used to play in a lot of like late night poker games, it used to be with a lot of folks who were originally either from Russia or Ukraine. Like that's a big part of the demo of people I was playing with. And, uh, and I said, Oh, do you play cards? And he said, no, I kind of learned my lesson on that you know basically like i kind of had a problem with it i was like yeah

he holds up one hand that's only got like three fingers on it and he goes uh you know yeah i was

i had a i was had a problem i was like yeah i go i'm i'm it's it's much better for my life that i'm spending a lot less time in those in those poker you know rooms late at night or whatever and that was without chauncey billups being there andrew you know that was i was playing your face

they weren't even the face card talk about the face card yeah that was without that face card

being there but so he and again i can't overstate how funny this was to me because this guy's english was very very was very limited so he decides he goes and i won't do like my impression of him or whatever but he basically says through a very again through he's got like every sentence like it's like four of the eight words are english and then the other are kind of like we're piecing it together here he basically says yeah there's a joke that represents kind of how compulsive gambling works i was like oh yeah and he basically says like these two guys go into the casino and one of them is like a really compulsive gambler and one of them just like has a gambling problem and the uh you know they both win a bunch of money early in the night and they're all happy and celebrating but by the end of the night they've lost all of their money and in fact they're walking out of the casino and the really compulsive gambler uh he is totally naked. He has lost all of his money and lost all of his clothing. And the guy who has a gambling problem, he's also lost all his money and all of his clothing except his underwear. He's just walking out with his underwear. And the naked guy, the compulsive gambler, turns to him and goes, see, you always know when to stop.

That's pretty good. That's pretty good. I'm also picturing that... That's a good joke! I'm also being told, or I'm picturing that being told by John Malkovich in Rounders. I don't know if that gets...

kgb imagine teddy kgb yeah i i mean and again it was the fact that like a lot of what this joke was not even really kind of like the the language barrier was funny like the joke to me the joke was so good so strong as a joke that minus many of the details i needed like i'm adding in the word compulsive yeah sure i'm adding in the word problem like i'm filling in a lot of the details what i got from the joke was a naked guy and an almost naked guy leave a casino and the naked guy says to the almost naked guy see you knew when to quit it also makes me

wonder like who accepted their clothes as um bet money you know like who wanted that guy's underwear too like would you accept yeah yeah what was the value of that guy's underwear you and i were in some sort of a i call it a gambling room which means i'm ready to go to vegas in january but uh you know if i took off my underwear and put it in the pot like i do wonder what the value of that would be to the other people at the table listen i um i we are almost an hour into the show we haven't thanked the donors yet but i'm going to do something here that i have never done before i'm not i'm not playing the donor music i'm not doing the donors until you tell us about the dog costume contest i don't understand your silence on this i asked you earlier who won the pet costume

contest like i have no idea you were hosting it i was hosting it but i wasn't the judge what are you hiding i'm hiding that i think every pet might have won something what were they what did they

dress up as we all we all closed the show on fridays okay wanting one thing on monday which is tell us about the adorable dogs in their costumes and we're an hour and i'll tell you okay

okay i'll tell you i'll tell you There's a lot of pressure on me to live a life and then report back. I want a full report on darts on Saturday night. I'm not getting that either.

Happily, I'll tell you about my Saturday.

Okay, so some of the memorable outfits were, some of the memorable outfits, the costumes, I should say, were one very cute kind of yellow lab-ish dog was dressed up as a roll of Charmin toilet paper. And that dog's owner, human companion, whatever, was dressed up as a poop emoji. It was like toilet paper and poop. there was a really cute dog that was dressed up as see this is where some of it also falls apart I think Georgie a character from the It movie but not the Pennywise like have you seen the It movie?

I saw the one in the 80s yeah and then I saw the first half of the new theatrical release a few years back

obviously there's the clown that's Pennywise right, the scary clown but then there's also something or someone that's in like a raincoat with a balloon

Oh, yeah, yeah. Is that ringing a bell? That's kind of iconic. I don't want to, after some missteps on Friday's show that I'm still living down, I'm not going to try to fill that in. But, yeah, I can kind of picture that iconic image, yeah.

So there was a dog that was, like, in a little orange raincoat that was, like, holding a red balloon that was along with a Pennywise. There was a different dog that was dressed up as Hannibal Lecter, which was interesting because when you put a Hannibal Lecter mask on a dog, it just seems like this dog shouldn't be around other dogs.

Yeah, yeah. But the dog was a sweetheart.

the dog had no behavioral issues it was just it was just a um you know the the the owner the person who was owned this dog was the same guy that was dressed up as pennywise he had two dogs he was obviously a horror fan so both of his dogs were kind of in the i guess if you call silence of the lambs horror uh genre uh there was um there was a uh an owner or like a human companion of these dogs it was a hot dog and one dog was mustard and one dog was ketchup that was really cute too um Um, what else, what, what else was going on? See, part of why I'm having a hard time remembering is because I'm, if you want me to get into it, Andrew, being the MC for this was an actually a fairly challenging job for a few reasons. One, all of, there was these little forms that people would fill out. They would write in their names and they would, oh, you know what? One dog was dressed up as, and this is where you're going to be no help because I'm, I'm sketchy on this movie and I know that it's not in your area of expertise.

Please be gummo. Please be gummo

There was a dog So the guy The owner of the dog was Ace Ventura And the dog was Dan Marino

Oh something about Laces out right

There's a dolphins I know that there's like A part of why the bad guy in Ace Ventura Wants to kill someone Is because of the Laces out Some dolphins subplot but I don't know The dog was wearing a Dan Marino jersey But I don't think Dan Marino is in the movie It was stuff like that You know what I mean It was sort of like There was a lot of costumes Oh and by the way I'm reading these forms That people are giving me But it's in their handwriting And I just want to say Most people's handwriting in this day and age Is tough to read People generally I don't know it was difficult I also have bad eyesight now

I can't read anybody's writing

Even nice writing I can barely read It was torrentially raining right and we're out on this back deck which thankfully was covered right it's covered with like a with plastic and stuff so we were mostly dry but there were some holes in the plastic where the rain would come through guess where one of the holes was the place where we're keeping the cards that people had filled out so half of the cards i was reading had been the writing had been partially washed away by the rays i know that's what i'm saying so i'm there i'm trying to read and also it's like you know there's a lot of names in circulation now that are not names that i grew up with andrew both of dogs and people so i'm reading like you know creative spelling of a name like kimberly and i'm calling them you want to talk about like this is the kind of stuff i think that would get you in your head too it's like somebody's name is kimberly but it's spelled c-y-m-b-e-r-l-y it's in their handwriting and it's half of it's washed away

by rain yeah that's and i'm in front of a bunch of people going yeah right i'm in front of a bunch

of people going and next up we have kalua one of the dogs is named kalua also try that on first sight read we've got kalua and so and so and they're with is it simberly oh no it's kimberly and they're with kimberly and i'm trying to like vamp this whole thing as people are walking around

it was a nightmare it sounds like a nightmare there's a scene in the horror show was happening for me. Do you remember the scene in The Jerk where he's reading the breakup letter that Bernadette Peter has left him but he's in the bathtub and he gets wet and it's just such dumb Steve Martin. He's just like, And he just starts imitating what the letters sound like When the ink is washed away Well, you gave us a taste That's all I asked for I just wanted a little bit of the vibe Of what dogs were dressed up as

It was absolutely adorable It was absolutely adorable

The whole kind of dressing up As sort of a paired costume Or something like that does remind me I was at the Eagles on Saturday And there was, I don't know if it was a costume contest Going on or I thought there was supposed to be one And Genevieve was Helly R from Severance. I saw that. Really, really good. Yeah. But anyway, there were just a bunch of people dressed up, and there was somebody, and I meant this totally as a joke, by the way, but I think they overheard me, or I think the guy might have overheard me. I felt bad. But there was a couple that had showed up as a bee and a beekeeper, and he was the bee keeper, and she was the bee. And I said something like, I don't know about the feminist implications of this or something, But I said that the Genevieve totally is a joke, and I think that he heard me, and then I just left.

Yeah, that was it for you.

And obviously, you didn't dress up. I didn't dress up, no. I just wore a shirt and pants and socks and underwear.

Did you have to do the joke, I'm dressed as a – did anybody ask you, what's your costume? You're like, I'm a podcaster.

No, I mean, I think we're well beyond the whole kind of like, what are you? I'm comfortable or whatever. No, I think we're all set on it. Like I got to a certain age and people stopped asking when we're going to get married, too. It's just like, luckily, your brand is strong of things you're not going for. And not everybody was dressed up either. Like some folks were showing up at our table who were just there to have a couple of drinks like I was as well.

But was anybody there looking especially youthful with maybe darker hair than you associate them with? You know, it's funny.

I saw somebody that I thought was like you from the past. He was so full of energy and youth. And I assume it wasn't you. But now it turns out it might have been you. Did you come up to Seattle, and I didn't recognize— We popped through. You just popped through really quickly. You wanted to see some—what's the band that plays? Genevieve's boss's band was playing, and they have the name—

Oh, sure. Yeah, the dad band.

Yeah.

The Tigers, right?

No, they have an— Jaguars? They have a real unfortunate name. The Jaguars. The Titans? Isn't it like the yelling chihuahuas or something? The Buccaneers? No. We're going to name all of the— That's not unfortunate. Just AFC South teams. is what I was doing there. Trout Mouth. Trout Mouth.

Trout Mouth. Did I say piranha yells? I feel like I had fish and it doing something.

Do you know there's a band from the 90s called Michael Learns to Rock? No. I'm looking this up to see if I'm right. Yeah, there's a band called Michael Learns to Rock. We needed a song for the other podcast the other day, and Genevieve grabbed it. It was exactly what we needed for whatever theme we were doing, but I'm like, this is by a band called Michael Learns to Rock. They were a Danish soft rock and pop band formed in 1988. Look them up. Thank you, baby. Luke, it's been raining. I'm sorry, it's raining all over the daily donor list. You have, I don't know how you're going to read any of these.

Simberly Kaluuya

Sorry to interrupt

Our first supporter Actually, by the way, this list is dry It's safe, it's digital It's right here on my computer And of course, we treat this list With reverence Because without these folks These people who are donating money to our show Each month, we would not have a show We would not be able to do this five days a week This is listener-supported Podcasting And only exists because of folks like Bernard Schneider, who's out there in Grafelfing, Germany.

Germany. Our reach, Luke. We're reaching out there to Germany? That's right. I love that. Thank you so much. I wonder where Grafelfing is.

I'm looking it up right now.

Is it a suburb of Atlanta? It is. It's pronounced DeKalb. You barely hit the L.

Grafelfing, Germany. It's a municipality in Germany. Okay, let's see here. I'm zooming out. I'm zooming out. Oh, it looks like it's not super-duper far from Munich. Wow, Bernhard, thank you so much. We appreciate you tuning in from all the way across the world. Elizabeth McElreath is in Springville, New York. It's a little closer. It's not super close to where we do the show. That's our friend. That's our friend, Bette, right?

Bette, exactly, who just happened to reach out the other day and send a text message in. Bette and I used to share our Wordle scores every single day, and we sort of fell off.

Every time that Bex and I hang out for an extended period of time, I end up getting drawn into the world of Wordle and the world of categories. Oh, categories. And I kind of... Do you play Categories? No. What is that? That's the other big New York Times game. Connections? Oh, Connections. Do you play Connections?

I do play Connections. I used to boycott it because it's made by one puzzle master, and I think that she does a lot of disingenuous stuff that makes me angry. But then I had a delayed flight one time, and I just found myself going through the back catalog and just punching them out one after the other, and now I'm sort of addicted to it again, and I sort of got the rhythm down.

I'm terrible at Wordle, but I'm 5% less terrible at Connections, and so that's the one that, like, Becca will be playing Wordle in the morning, and then I'll, like, jump on Connections, and I could see getting into that as a regular habit. I don't think Wordle will ever take with me. I just, my brain is not wired in a way that I'm very good at that.

I did it right at midnight last night, in fact, and this is a...

You did today's.

I did today's right at midnight, and this is such a, such a, such a deep, deep cut. I even sent a note to Genevieve after she did it, and so I'm going to give a little clue here. So people who are familiar with the TV show Severance and remember details of it, I thought today's word was either apt or ironic, given Genevieve's costume over the weekend. But that is such a deep cut that Genevieve— Well, Genevieve had multiple costumes this Halloween, by the way. She did Daria a couple of weeks ago for something she went to. I don't know what it was, but I think the main one is Helly R. Exactly.

Yeah. Well, I saw the Daria one, and then I was like, oh, I see we're going with Daria.

Where are these popping up? Are these on? I didn't think Genevieve was on Instagram anymore. This is a private chat that Genevieve and I are in. Interesting. She's just dressing up and sending you photos. Good. Uh-huh. Fantastic.

Well, Maggie Ainsley is also on the group chat as well in Swarthmore. Our friend Maggie in Swarthmore.

Now, I officially, and I could have done this for Elizabeth as well, who we call Bette. This list originally said Margaret Ainsley. And I was like, this is our friend Maggie. So I made the executive decision to change it in the spreadsheet. I hope that was right, Maggie. If not, we will also thank Margaret Ainsley just outside of Philadelphia.

Okay, just to cover our bases. Thanks also to Christine Durgan, who's in Owosso, Michigan. Gosh, what a great distribution of folks all around the country and the world. We've got Germany. We've got New York. We've got Pennsylvania. We've got Michigan. We've got Washington. Seagalley. I don't know if Cindy Pestka of Seattle, Washington was in Seattle in the days of Seagalley, but that's a deep cut for my Seattle, Washington folks. Thank you, Cindy. Appreciate you. And then Rob Rundblatt is in Seoul, Korea. Wow. So look at that, Germany, Korea, Washington, Michigan, PA, NY. Why did this one end up being so international? Totally coincidentally? Because that's the show we're doing, Andrew. That's the reach of this program. It really is. It's international, and it's a phenomenon that is taking over the media landscape. Now, I don't know if we're going to have time today to talk about our TBTL Golden Globe for podcasting, But we definitely on Tomorrow Show should talk about that because it was an interesting story dug up by our own John Sklaroff, which upon the more that I read it, the more angry I became. And then by extension, Andrew, the more angry I became, not angry, the more resentful I became about a very famous podcaster out there in the world. And it's not even them. I guess what I'm trying to say is tomorrow I want to talk to you about how I'm feeling about the discourse around podcasting as a thing, okay?

Okay, and is it coming from a place of strength and confidence as a podcaster?

Yes.

That's what I'm picking up on.

What I want to say is thank you to our donors. It's incredible that we are still here doing this because of our donors, because it is such a weird world of who's being rewarded in the world of podcasting and who isn't and who's being venerated. Hey, speaking of podcasting, let me throw something out here at the tail end of today's show. We'll resurface this tomorrow. We've got a couple of special recordings coming up here, and we'd like to figure out what we want to talk about on those shows and what we think we want to talk about are some more top five lists. If you remember, listener Bobby sent in the top five beers. That is to say, the top five situations in which one could be having a beer. By the way, when I mentioned this to Becca over the weekend, she went shower beer, and I said that it was on the list.

Campfire beer was another example. People were saying sneaky beer that you put into a Starbucks cup and take to your kid's Little League game, that kind of thing. So we're looking for more lists, not more beers, but more lists.

No, lists, things that like, what is the top five ways to experience a thing? Remember, we also did popcorn. So those two, beer and popcorn have been covered, but like things.

that we've all done, things we've all experienced, and then the top five versions of that experience. And if you have thoughts, send them to andrew at tbtl.net, loop me and luke at tbtl.net, and we're going to collect those up and we're going to run through some of them on some special broadcasts that we're doing here coming up.

You can record it as a voice memo if you want and email it in. You can write it in or call our voicemail line 206-414-8285. 206-414- tbtl.

yeah and again we'll remind everyone of this tomorrow since i don't know how many people made it to this phase of today's show anyway uh that's gonna do it for today's episode of tbtl thank you all so much for listening we'll be back here tomorrow with more imaginary radio oh i'll also tomorrow andrew get to tell you at 4 30 tuesday morning i'm going to be watching them make tofu in portland for a cbs story so i'll have a full report on that as well so a lot will be a lot's going to happen between today and tomorrow's episode so please if you can't join us for that tomorrow in the meantime have a great monday take care of yourselves and please remember no mountain too tall and good luck to all power out