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Excuse me. Hi. You're Casey Casey. You're unbelievable. Well, thank you. Thank you very much. No, no, no. Seriously, I'm telling you. You blow me away. Why, it's really nice of you to say that. No, no, no. I'm telling you what you do. It's really amazing. It's fabulous. Yes, well, can we give... No, no, no. I'm telling you. I'm telling you what you do. I really get it. I get what's going on with you. It's amazing. Really. Great stuff. Yes. No, no, no. Really. Do me a favor. Say, coming in this week at number one, it's Lionel Richie. It's stuck on you. I really don't think I can do that. No, no, no. Come on. Do it. Seriously, do it. Come on. Do it. won this week as Lionel Richie was stuck on you. That was great. All right, through Shaggy from Scooby-Doo. TBTL.

So maybe this isn't exactly the most polished radio broadcast you've ever heard.

It's not that bad, honestly. It is, but it's not.

I swear, every time this guy talks, all I hear is a turkey goblin. Huh. Meat from the street. Sounds like a fun treat I'm a poet And didn't even know I was rhyming those words

That's not how it works That's not how any of this works

Well, alright, hello, good morning And welcome everyone to a Friday edition of TBTL The show that just might be too beautiful to live I would say, can you please stop doing this stuff? My name's Luke Burbank, I'm your host

I'm sorry, I'm tan I like to be tan. It just feels good.

Coming to you from the Madrona Hill studio perched high above the mighty and roiling Columbia River where we have made it, friends, to the end of the week and also to episode 4,592 in a collector series.

Let the fun begin.

Another episode, another attempt at doing some of these top five lists generated by you, the tens of listeners. Exactly what America wants. I say attempt because yesterday we were attempting to do them and, of course, ended up talking about turnpikes and various other things for Muzak for hours and hours before we actually got to the list. We're going to do better today, I think. Maybe. Possibly. I don't know. We are going to talk to this guy, though. Longest running co-bro of the show. Maybe best known for his depictions of the tall ships. I'm not saying I'm worried about him. I'm saying he is getting his weekends started earlier and earlier. They're trying to say I was drunk. I drank eight beers yesterday. That was all I drank. And yesterday was Thursday. He's Andrew Walsh, and he's joining me right now. Good morning, my friend.

Good morning, Luke. In addition to this being a show about top five lists, today's show is also going to be a bit of a choose-your-own-adventure, and it's you. You are the one choosing your own adventure, because I have a whole bunch of lists here, and I like so many of them, and I'm going to give you some options about which ones to play and share. But before we get to that, your first choice is whether or not you want to follow up on something you mentioned at the end of yesterday's show. And honestly, there's no pressure. There's no pressure. I just want to give you the choice. Do you want to choose that adventure or not?

I mean, trash is trash.

I ended yesterday's show by saying Becca and I were recently on a walk. and something that I did caused us to have a whole conversation about your garbage anxiety and your Blue Ski account that is a document, a record of when you put your garbage out but this is the thing that I did we were walking around in Portland, Oregon this was like a couple of weeks ago I've actually forgotten about this and then remembered for some reason we were walking Gigi the French Poodle and Gigi went to the bathroom and I bagged it up very carefully, tied it up very tightly, and then was carrying it around and around and around, and then I eventually did see a garbage can that was available that was out, and I dropped her poop in the garbage can, the bag of poop.

This is a, and we've got to be very clear here, this isn't a public garbage can. There's no problem with that. A person's garbage can. This isn't a dumpster. Now, was the garbage can full of garbage waiting to be picked up? Nope. Oh, God, yeah. then there's, I can't cover for you here. What are you doing?

It was the, you know why? Here's how I justified it. I wouldn't be mad if somebody did this in my garbage can. Well, you would be mad. I wouldn't be mad. Like I put my garbage, you know, I wheel, listen, I put my garbage cans on one leg at a time, Andrew, just like everybody else. No, I wheel my garbage up to the county road here where I live and put it out for the garbage mans to take away or to empty out, I should say. And what I know is that if I walked up to my garbage can after it had been emptied and I was wheeling it back down and I looked in it and there was, and again, this is important to me, a very nicely, tightly tied bag of dog poop that was in the bottom of it, I legitimately would not be per-

Personally, I would not be mad because I'd be like, it's a garbage can. And I'd rather I saw that than a poop that was undealt with on my street. And so the way I justified this was that because it wouldn't bother me to have it happen to me, I then am allowed to unilaterally decide that it doesn't bother someone else.

Well, instead of going the obvious and tedious route of me telling you why I get mad when people throw their dog poop in my empty garbage bin and I have to live with it all week. We've covered that, but instead I'm going to turn this into a conversation that we should have about the problem with the golden rule, and you just landed on it, because I've been thinking about this for years now, because as you know, the golden rule states treat others as you yourself would be treated, but as listeners of this show know, i'm a damn freak when it comes to societal interactions and so if i treat other people the way i like to be treated well then i'm never wishing anybody a happy birthday i'm ignoring them on their birthday right i'm giving them extra space on their birthday and i'm trying to think other things that i do that are so weird in my you know that are things you would like to yes exactly the way how you would like the way i want people to treat me on certain days is not really in line with how most people navigate their social experiences so if i actually apply the golden rule i'm going to probably ostracize a lot of friends and this is like it's a moving target treat other people you apply bloody treat you applied the golden rule in this literal crappy situation and somebody was the victim of that well not to mention i mean you're absolutely right

not to mention that like also the idea of do unto others as with the version i grew up with same idea do unto others as you would have them do unto you yeah that's that's the biblical version right if you're like a what if you're just like you said what if you're just a stone cold freak yeah like in other words as long as as long as you like some freaky ass shit yeah sorry on the friday that i had to break out the profanity so early but if if you like if if you I mean, there's a lot of stuff out there that people like that might not be for other people. But then if you like it, according to the golden rule, you are then allowed to sort of deploy that on other people, whatever your deal is. I like it when people stand too close to me on the subway. Yeah, exactly. I like it when people throw poop bags into my just freshly emptied garbage can. That's somebody's kink. There's probably an entire web form dedicated to that. And the premise is, oh, if you like something, then you can do that to everybody else. And you're right. That's a structural error with the golden rule.

I think the rule should be do unto others as you would have done unto yourself unless you're one of those freaks on 8chan, in which case this doesn't apply to you there.

Do unto others as you imagine they would like to be done to because, listen, that's honestly the thing.

Yeah, that's the thing. You really, the golden rule should be treat other people as they deserve to be treated or want to be treated, you know?

Right. Your wants and freaky-ass desires should never enter the calculation. Especially mine. That's what I'm saying. That was actually nice of you, Andrew. I like how you pivoted the conversation from just, like, browbeating me over, obviously, a behavior that you're on the record as not liking. And also how you made it about your quirks and things. So that was really nice. You really took the heat off of me on that whole situation that I'm not super proud of, and I am trying to justify it through the fact that it legit wouldn't make me super mad, but that doesn't mean that it wouldn't make the person whose garbage can it was super mad. So that's where I'm going out on a limb. How's that, by the way, for efficient conversation? Look at that. We did it. Five minutes. We've got time for lists.

Yeah, let me transition here into the top five project that we're doing. As I mentioned on yesterday's show, we asked listeners to submit their top five lists on any kind of topic, and yesterday was tons of fun, but we still have so many, so many that we haven't gotten to, and these are fun to sort of like chew on and spend some time with instead of zipping through them. So we will definitely have a lot of stuff that we can use in future shows after we're done today, but I want to give you some choices here, Luke. For starters, I think we're going to start with one list from your brother today.

Ah, EFTB.

But the thing is, your brother sent in audio messages of five different lists, which when you add it all up together, he sent in, without us even interacting, about 20 minutes of audio content. Now, we're going to choose one of these.

That's the only thing longer than his intro tape.

Well, what's happening?

happening here, Luke, as you well know, is David has way too much time

on his hands. Well, that's the thing that blows my mind.

He doesn't work hard enough.

The man gets up at like 2 in the morning to go into his job producing Seattle's Morning News on Cairo. When that's done, he's dashing off to his restaurant job. In betwixt and between, he's taking care of his beautiful daughter, Gemma, and interacting with his beautiful wife, Felicia. He's also stressing about the Mariners and Seahawks like we all are. I mean, the guy's schedule is full, and how in the world is he sending us five different, whatever, four different top five lists?

Five. Five different top five lists. So we're only going to choose one of David's, and I'm going to let you choose which one. Although I hope you pick a good one. Top five best older brothers. That would be interesting. So the one we're going to go with from David is going to be which of these? Top five coffees. That's kind of along the line of the beers one, you know, like where you're drinking your coffee.

And the Starbucks one that we ended yesterday.

Yeah, so maybe I'm sort of leaning against that. And I have not listened to all of these yet, by the way. I, on the other hand, do have tons of time on my hands, and I did not listen to all of David's messages. We'll listen to them here. Top five hot dogs. Top five candy eating situations. Top five ways to watch a movie or top five ways to listen to TBTL.

Oh, God. Well, the final one seems very self-aggrandizing. For us? Yes. Yes. To play. And also something we can't really relate to because we don't, we're not consumers of the show in the way that the listeners are. I think, I like the movies one. You like the movie one? Because I've already got my, like, I've already got my number one movie watching experience. Well, I've got thoughts. Okay. Let's just say. So can we go with that one?

Yeah, let's go with that. I'm moving it over to my player right now. Now, this is one, I did listen to some of these, but this is one that I actually legitimately have not listened to. And I'm anxious because a couple of, two of our other lists have mentioned mommy and daddy times in some way or another as part of their list. Are all of these lists dirty? And now I'm wondering, now this is movie watching, is DFTB going to be getting into like making out here? I mean, that's what, do unto others, right? Is he doing, is he DFTBing unto others?

this is such a weird way for me to learn this about my brother david if if any of these quote

unquote watching movie experiences on your list involve like making out during a drive-in movie or like doing that thing where you stretch your arms like it's 1950 and you put your arm around your date and for some reason you're always watching a 3d movie because you got those red and blue glasses on i'm going to be very very blushing but let's uh let's start with this voicemail from David. Movie watching Luke jump in and let me know if you need me to pause on any of this. Top five ways to... You're just testing the system?

You gotta test the system, absolutely.

You're like a trucker. Before you get to that hill, you gotta test the brakes, right? Top five ways

to watch a movie. Number five, watching a movie on a plane. Oh, okay. Do you wouldn't think...

That was going to be my... That was going to be my—if it wasn't on the list, I was going to say probably—well, let's hear DFTB's description of it, then I'll weigh in.

This is the ideal way to watch a film. The screen's probably pretty small. There's noise happening everywhere. There's a lot of people around. No one's usually watching the same movie, at least anymore. But there's something really—and Luke, I know you've talked about this—emotionally gratifying about watching a movie on a plane. something about your emotions when you're up in the air movies hit you differently and you're a little more emotional maybe the messages of a movie sink in a little more something very special about that experience number four and i don't know how many people how much you at least luke and andrew have experienced this midnight releases of a movie this was a big thing when i was a kid we had all of the you know harry potter movies and all of these kind of big teen blockbuster movies would have midnight releases and you would go to the midnight release and you'd be there with all your friends and you'd be staying up way too late and there's that excitement that grows right before the movie comes on the movie the the title screen comes on everybody's clapping and cheering there's something really cool about that experience number three is an art house movie oh yes it doesn't even necessarily have to be art house just kind of like a small theater you go maybe you can even get some like wine or beer it's not the type where they bring you

the food at the table i'm thinking specifically of in bellingham there's a theater called the pickford and yes they just have a teeny little concession area but you can get your wine and your popcorn and your little snacks and there's something that feels very second here go ahead

the pickford is uh well i mean i saw many many movies at the pickford including it's it's the place where i saw the movie blaze which is this biopic about blaze foley the singer directed by ethan hawk and i went with carrie and addy i was sitting in between them just sobbing from pretty much the opening scene till the end of the movie um and so yes pickford has a play a near and dear

place to my heart did you see that story about blaze foley i think it was maybe the beginning of summer where somebody basically used ai to create new blaze foley songs and slipped it into the catalog on spotify yeah i got a friend who's really pushing me to get off of spotify and i think i might need to do it and so so how and i don't know how you can i don't know how you can enter as an outsider is your work into somebody else's you know library i don't know there's

probably a vetting process is a tricky kind of deviant way that you can write that you know you can basically title your songs and work your songs and work in a way that it confuses a lot of searches and so people are looking for blaze foley and they're getting this fake version but

somehow it ended up in his catalog i believe and i do think that that person is banned and they got

rid of him or whatever but yeah so it's like of all the people because if you know the story of that guy it's not like somebody figured out how to ai their way into the rolling stones catalog it's like the whole story on this blaze foley guy was like he was a person who really struggled in his life he struggled with alcoholism he his life was pretty broken outside of this one thing which was making this music that was really from the heart and that was really appreciated by a lot of other people who went on to be bigger and more famous like towns van sant um and lucinda williams and stuff like that so the idea that that'd be the person that you're applying the ai version to like of all of the people you could do it this guy was absolutely anathema to whatever the ai

of life is yeah yeah i just double checked to make sure i had the details on that right but Yeah, it was Spotify and it was Blaze Foley. Okay, so back to Movie Watcher. Thank you for making me sad. Ironically, that is the name of a Blaze Foley song.

A teeny little concession area, but you can get your wine and your popcorn or your little snacks. And there's something that feels very intimate about it, feels fun. Usually you're seeing a movie that you can't see in the big theater. Something that feels a little highfalutin about it. You know, you feel a little more sophisticated than than the people going to the AMC or whatnot. It's not in every movie experience. You only want to see certain movies there, but it is fun in its own. Number two is movie night at home. For me, this has become after the baby goes to sleep, my wife and I get to watch our movie. And it means we're probably staying up really late. we're watching our way through a movie we make popcorn it's just our little time together and that is really really special and maybe that's only special to me and my wife but there's something really great about being at home you get to choose the movie you can pause it anytime you need you get to have all your own snacks and you just get to kind of settle in and you know now we all have these huge tvs so it doesn't feel like you're taking that much away from the movie theater experience and then number one andrew i hope you'll uh agree with this one it's being alone in a movie theater that being you're not with anyone and it's a mostly empty theater because you're going for a matinee you're going for a matinee of a movie that's probably been out for like a month and you're there and you just get to kind of luxuriate in the theater yourself it doesn't even really matter what the movie is you're there to be in that space you're mostly alone you don't have to worry about people talking you just get to kind of zone in or zone out in my cases zone in zone in whatever direction you care to little edible uh and you just get to kind of key into the movie and that's a really nice experience you know before i i had not heard

this list ahead of time and so i was taking little notes to to remember what's on david's list and then notes that i would add potentially and i had added at the very beginning uh midday by yourself movies and that is exactly what david's number one is and i couldn't agree more i love i can tell you the movies well not all of them but i i know that i saw lincoln like that i remember i was working the early early morning shift actually i was literally working the shift the D. CFTB is working right now at Cairo, and so I got off of work at noon or something like that, having gotten there at 2 in the morning, 3 in the morning, and I went to see Lincoln, which is like a three-hour movie. I think I nodded off at one point.

I was going to say, that feels like you're taking Trazodone.

It's the only time I remember sort of nodding in a movie theater, just for a little bit of it, and I nodded for probably two minutes, and then I felt great. I remember seeing Fantastic Mr. Fox that way, which is remains one of my, well, I don't know, favorite movies, but it was such a good experience seeing that. So anyway, there are others on that list, but those are the those are the big ones. And God, yeah, I love that. I just love not being responsible for anybody else.

Yeah, that was, I think, maybe added to my rapturous response to one battle after another was that I saw it by myself. I was almost the only person in the theater As I told you, I somehow ended up sitting Initially next to a couple That was talking loudly And then I just moved because there was a thousand empty seats In the theater But yeah, the fact that I stayed I waited until literally there were no more words on the screen Afterwards because I was So into the movie And watching the credits and trying to figure out Who did what and listening to the music Even at the end I could buy whatever snacks I wanted I could sit wherever I wanted I didn't have to make a conversation with, you know, it would have been likely like Becca or something, but I didn't have to kind of like, the idea that I was totally and completely the captain of my own ship to watch that movie, I bet you that made me get even more enjoyment out of the experience.

Yeah, I always say that, like, you know, that Bowling Alone book, was it William Putnam? I can't remember his first name. Hey, good Putnam reference. It was definitely a Putnam. He was a New Hampshire guy, so it sticks in my head. But, you know, Bowling Alone is- Robert Putnam. Robert Putnam is the idea of something like, we don't want to live in a society where people are bowling alone. I was always like, dude, bowling alone is sweet. You don't have to wait for anybody. You can kind of really get into a rhythm. Luke, we'll get onto another list here in a second, but I'm having another moment where, was it yesterday on the show? I couldn't remember the word turnpike. Now I'm having a problem remembering what movie I saw maybe about a month and a half ago. I know we talked about it on the show. I saw it by myself. Not as far back as Friendship, but remember I was telling you I was in the wrong theater and I was by myself and they started to play

they started to play Paul Giamatti you were trying to there was too much Paul Giamatti in it or not enough Paul Giamatti

I saw his name

what you were sitting in was the new Downton Abbey Downton Abbey yeah what were you trying to see though

because I saw one battle after another I swear I saw that with Genevieve I saw weapons with Genevieve

this was something much darker or more serious and that's why the kind of like the font of the credits and the kind of like the whateverness of it of the Stoughton Abbey movie or whatever they're calling it was off to you.

You know what? It was one battle after another. Sorry, I didn't have to do that whole thing. It was that because I was like I saw that with Genevieve but no I didn't. Genevieve ended up seeing that twice. I only saw it once but we saw them all three watchings were not together. She went with two different friends for hers. Now I was surprised that Genevieve was going to rewatch a movie in the theater because usually that's my move when i really like something i almost went to see sinners a second time i never ended up getting to the theater but that's one that i would maybe consider on this list or at least something that would be close to this list would be the in-theater re rewatch of a movie i think that there's something special about that

i could yep i i'm you know not to just go on and on but like i would see one battle after another in the theater for a second time and considering how long it is too like that's really saying something i have not yet had a chance to see it with becca um so if she if she's on a particularly rainy day if she's like let's go see that and it's still in the theater i'll absolutely do that which is the highest compliment that i can pay a movie like that now uh to one other thing that was on david's list the art house cinema i it's absolutely one of my most favorite ways to see a movie and movie experiences and also a very nostalgic one for me because particularly where i live now there isn't any kind of art house theater i mean i guess when i'm in portland becca and i will go sometimes to the um like it's called 21st or cinema 21 on 21st ave we saw the french dispatch there um and we saw oh we saw friendship in a theater at the hollywood theater in portland but like when i think about art house theater i think about a period of my life that was just so great which was like my 20s and like i don't think in my 20s this might sound pretentious or whatever i don't know if i ever went to like that's not true i did go to the regular like giant chain movie theater because sometimes i'd take addy to like a harry potter movie or maybe series of unfortunate events we would see like a big disney movie if it came out and she wanted to see it but like almost all of my movie going was always just going to the like the great

grand illusion in seattle or like some small art house movie theater in seattle that'd be playing something that was really specific to my interest whether it'd be like a documentary about something i liked or a movie from a filmmaker that i really liked by the way i'll i'll include like the guild 45th and just you know robin they're just would they like the seven gables i mean like the seattle used to be full of art house theaters and they were always playing some kind of movie that i was interested in and i'd go with my friends and it would just be like i don't know i was more so than even being a person who went to live music what i really went to a lot was just like movies that i wanted to see that were playing in a smallish theater somewhere the broadway exit i'm just now

naming harvard exit harvard exit because i was thinking about that one yeah one of my favorite memories was like going this is kind of a combination of several things on david's list but like i'm pretty sure and i'm it's a bummer that it's a was a woody allen film but you know before everything completely blew up about his past and his transgressions, I remember, I think it was probably Blue Jasmine. I don't know. It was that era of Woody Allen.

And was that, yeah, was that?

I may be getting, I'm confused. But I remember going to the Harvard exit, getting a little bag of popcorn, going up into the balcony. And I believe it was like a two o'clock showing or something. I was able to walk there from my little apartment and seeing it by myself and just sitting in the front row of the balcony and just sort of like leaning up against the balcony. Like, God, I love that experience. And you're right, that experience, even the independent theaters around here, I love the fact that organizations like SIF are trying to save them as much as possible, but a lot of them have gone away. What was the one that was right there in the edge of the university district that burned down after being abandoned? That was the Seven Gables. That was the Seven Gables, yes, where I saw a screener of pirate radio with Ross Reynolds in the middle of the day. Oh my God, how great. Why does David not have private screeners with Ross Reynolds in the middle of the day on his list?

This is a kid. He doesn't know his Rossophonic history, so he's doomed to repeat it.

That's right.

But really, like, and again, not to sound like a snob, but the fun, I don't know, it's fun to go to those movies because you kind of, this actually sort of happened when we went and saw that movie Friendship, which was we ended up chatting with a bunch of people in our section of the theater. And by the way, the Hollywood theater in Portland is huge. it's like it's not like it's a tiny little room at least the main theater is a very large theater but we just were all clustered together because again everybody wants to kind of be middle middle and we were just like and the the folks that we ended up talking to in our row they this was their second time seeing it they had seen the movie you know i don't know a few days before and wanted to see it again or whatever but it was like there's something about going into one of those places where you feel like oh i'm i'm kind of already among like kindred spirits like i'm i'm just i'm with a bunch of people who all saw this thing listed in by the way the alt weekly and wanted to go to it and that feeling of community and of just like we're all going to see this movie and it who knows it might be a dud but we're all going to see it together because it was on that page of the stranger that lists the movies and the movie times and we came down here and somebody probably a failed filmmaker is wearing a tattered white collared shirt with a tie because that's the uniform and they're selling us our ticket and selling us our popcorn and the carpets are ratty but I don't know, they're just thinking about all of that it's just such a good, it's such a warm memory for me. Yeah, yeah, I love that

Here's my proposal to you, Luke I said a lot of Choose Your Own Adventure today

Is it indecent? Because those are the only proposals that I'm entertaining

on this Friday. It will be if I shed this shirt How would you feel about thanking some donors and then coming back with one more top five list to end the week?

I feel so great about that.

Thank you, baby.

All right, let's thank those donors, those aforementioned donors, those fine folks who are, I consider this the art house movie theater of podcasting, Andrew. It's a questionable business model It's run by failed filmmakers And it's a miracle That it exists and yet here we are

You know You know what I appreciate the most About our listeners Luke They didn't leave us Listless today

No they didn't They gave us a lot of lists

You didn't have to say that second part I picked up the joke There was a long long long pause Where there was no reaction

I was reflecting quietly on what a good joke it was. Yes, good. And you know who else was reflecting quietly, and maybe loudly on it, I don't know, was Becky Callahan, who's in Elk, Washington. Ah, is Elk kind of rural? Are there a lot of Elk? Imagine that's in Belltown. Yeah, right, exactly. In the heart of Seattle, whatever, that's one of the busier neighborhoods. Elk, Washington. Boy, that sounds like a place where you, Andrew, to call back to some show some time ago. If you were hiking, you'd rather be hiking in Elk, Washington than somewhere in the dry desert southwest. That sounds like a place full of a lot of northwest plants that are very green.

I feel like there's a pond where I could go fishing for bluegill. Or just maybe wash yourself off. Or just wash myself off. Exactly. Cool or a pond. One of those sirens, you know. you come upon me in the woods oh yes i love it and there's a little you're in real life

but there's a little cartoon fairy dust coming off you or sprites or like you know birds or something maybe yeah bluebird i'm looking right now uh actually i have breaking news andrew elk washington is not in bell town it turns out it is in fact in a fairly rural uh part of the state It looks like it's sort of northern Washington in terms of being close to the Canadian border and kind of central Washington in terms of being kind of in the middle of the state.

Oh, yeah, it is. Wow, that's very, very far east compared to where we are, right?

And yet to think of Becky Callahan there in Elk, Washington, listening to this, I love it. That makes me so happy. Thank you, Becky. And supporting the show, too. Yes. Thanks also to Kevin Wilson, who's in Portland, Oregon.

Okay. Now that's in Belltown, Seattle.

That is. And home still of many art house theaters. And let's all please support them down there in Portland, the way Kevin Wilson is supporting us here on the show. Look who's next. It's a real family affair. Apparently. Andrew, we've been playing my brother DFTB's movie list. And now we're thanking my sister, Hannah Nelson in Grapeview, Washington. That's where you can see the grapes from. That's right. Yep. I think I've told you this before but it's clear that my dad's love language is making road signs for my siblings who live in rural areas and there wasn't a road sign on their driveway, have I told you about this?

No, you most certainly have not

It's pretty funny, I think for both my sister Hannah and my sister Liz who both, they live in kind of out, you know, again out in like rural areas of Washington State actually and then down kind of long kind of gravel country road type of deals where the whatever it would be the county doesn't decide doesn't doesn't put a like a road sign on your specific kind of gravel entrance to the way to get down to where you are and in both cases i believe for my sister hannah my sister my dad has made an incredibly realistic looking and possibly illegal road sign for them that says their road now this

is a road that is not shared by any neighbors or it is shared by some neighbors okay so it's shared by some neighbors, do you need sign-off for the neighbors? I'm sure they appreciate it. It doesn't bring more traffic? It doesn't confuse travelers to think that this is a more legit road that leads somewhere useful? My guess

is that the trade-off is your friends and family who you would like them to actually get to you now actually know which gravel driveway they're supposed to turn down. That's true, sure. So maybe the benefit outweighs the... I haven't heard from my sibs, although, of course, my siblings, being great people, they're on good terms with everyone. They live nearby, unlike you. So they, um, J.K., J.K. Rowling. Wait, how did I make that worse? Before you get somebody who everyone's mad at? J.K. Simmons. Sorry. Okay, there we go. Oh, let's reclaim it. Yeah. We are farmers. Bump, buh, buh, buh, buh, buh, buh, buh. Andrew, that's it.

I am a very mean drum teacher.

Bump, buh, buh, buh, buh, buh, buh. And when I said Andrew, I meant Andrew Tantio of Kensington, Maryland. Andrew, if you are living on a road in Kensington that does not have a proper sign I know the guy for you

Is it Donovan? Doesn't Donovan have a song about South Kensington Street? I bet he does Why am I asking you that? Hey Luke, doesn't Donovan have a song called Sunny South Kensington Street off of the album Mellow Yellow?

That's like me asking you Doesn't Mary Lou Lord do a song by that name?

Let's just listen a little bit I like this There you go I like that

You can't tell what air it's from It's timeless We start, you know The whole Donovan plot on this show Was kind of about you really liking Donovan And I feel like sometimes you sort of You'll make a joke about like you like donovan too much or whatever but i swear to god the more donovan that you play on the show the more i like donovan legit like it's i i i'm it's a vibe and i'm kind of into it actually some

of it's pretty cringy um but uh yeah i uh there's still some stuff you hear and again i do think it's like i i was just Thank you. absolutely living in the Donovan world for a long time, whereas now, once a year, if I hear a song like that, I'm like, oh yeah, that's pretty groovy. I think you would have to describe that song as groovy,

right? I think because I've got a couple of, like, Pandora stations. Yes, I am the person keeping Pandora.com in business. Well, it's a lot like Pantera. Uh-huh. Because I do have a couple Pantera stations, I have seen Pantera live now, Andrew, I will tell you. I saw Suicidal Tendencies and Pantera open for Metallica. That's right. So I've got my full metal cred. But no, because I have a couple of like a Paul Simon, like a Paul Simon Pandora station that's starting with like a kind of older Paul Simon, occasionally that will bump up against Donovan. Or I think I also have a Nick Drake. If you start playing Nick Drake on an algorithmic station, you're going to get some Donovan pretty quickly.

Yeah, I could see that.

And when I hear the Donovan stuff, I like it. I really do. So I want to honor that right now. Did Donovan write any songs about Seattle, Washington that you know of?

No, but someone did. Was it Burt Bacharach?

The bluest skies you've ever seen are in Seattle. Is that what you were thinking of? That is, but that's not Burt Bacharach, is it? I think that was from what? But wasn't that from a television show that was called The Marriage of Bobby Sherman or Seven Brides for Seven Brothers or some crazy, whack-ass name?

It's funny. A friend of mine just sent that song to me and said, I think you already know about the song probably, right? I'm like, I do. And then he's like, do you know there's a theme song to a TV show or something and sent the opening of that. But I'm looking for what it is. Oh, Here Come the Brides was the name of the show. Here Come the Brides. Which was set in 19th century Seattle. I've never seen that.

And by the way, this is Kim Kerr in Seattle, Washington, who we're thanking right now. Yes, thank you, Kim.

Sorry to get off track.

No, but like, what's it called again? It's called Here Come the Brides.

Here Come the Brides. I'm looking it up now. And then who did the song, The Bluest? Let's see here. Oh, my gosh. Hugo Montenegro is the person who composed the song. Sure, of course. He's the most famous for doing, he actually sort of is actually the artist behind the most popular version of the Good, the Bad, and the Ugly songs. The one that appears in the movie is not the one, I think, with the weeping woman. I think you're thinking of this. Yes, right. But Hugo Montenegro, I was digging in some of his songs recently because he had some really funky stuff, too. Not funky, but kind of cool 60s stuff, too. And I knew him as the band leader who did the arrangement of The Good, The Bad, and The Ugly that kind of blew off the charts. So you did know who that

was. I thought you were kind of joking about it being a random name, but you actually know who that person is.

Yeah, yeah. Anyway.

Well, listen, thank you also to Megan Reketa, who's in Houston, Texas.

Oh, nice. Houston. On Monday, we can

do a whole thing on songs that have Houston in them. I'm going to go mostly like top five Houston songs. You get some Paul Wall in there, I'm sure. I'm just I'm going to be honest with you I'm mostly going to be thinking about Hip hop Because that's most of the connection I have to Houston I think Ghetto Boys were from Houston

Oh really? I didn't know that

I believe they were a Houston band Also you've got Krongbin is from Houston But they don't I don't feel like they name check Houston much in the music They're mostly doing an instrumental vibe

Well I've looked this up I know we're not supposed to be doing this now You want to do it later Now this is just the top Google results so I want to make sure I'm right about this but is are the are the Noel sisters and Noles and Beyonce

yeah yeah

and Solange they're from Houston see I don't think I knew that

but how much successful music have they made

well I just mean if we're looking at niche artists okay oh gotcha

like sort of Bobby Sherman

yeah they're also they're listing Beyonce Solange and Destiny's Child which I I mean I guess fair enough but you

oh yeah dude Destiny's Child was a whole thing I know but I mean it's Beyonce Say My Name Bugaboo

But I'm just saying it's Beyonce. It just sort of feels like we're kind of padding out the list here a little bit. It could be Beyonce slash Destiny's Child, which I guess is disrespectful to the rest of the members of Destiny's Child.

Trying to think. Oh, Kenny Rogers. ZZ Top, it says here. Megan Thee Stallion. Chameleonare. Ah, wait. Is it a chameleonare's wedding, Andrew?

It could be.

Should we get to another list? I apologize.

All right. What do we want to do for our next list here, Luke? Let's do one more of these. And I'm not going to give you the names attached because I don't want anybody to feel like they are personally slighted.

Are there other siblings of mine that could contribute to today's episode?

Only your brother because your brother has four more of those. But we've given him...

his list today. I would say too much air time. Here are some more options for you. And I will tell you if they're audio or email. And I don't know if that's going to affect your decision making. We did get a top five naps. I had done a call out for like top five naps and somebody said, oh, I already have a list for that. So they called it in. We also have top five TBTL segments that I miss. I did listen to that one, by the way. It's not hurtful. It's just an interesting trip down memory lane. I was wondering,

is this all be from the first six months of the show? Yeah, right. Exactly. I can't remember and things I shouldn't remember.

And then those are all voicemails that we could do. We could also do an email list here that is top five movies that are better than the book. I think that's kind of interesting. And I think those are going to be your top five showers, I guess, would be another one.

I like, listen, napping is to me as showering is to you, Andrew. And so, and I have, I take a lot of naps, and I think about naps a lot, and I'd like to, I would like to hear about this listener's list of top five naps, if that's all right.

You can, and I'm going to tell you something interesting about this list. We had one listener who called in with her top five naps, and then another listener who just wanted to add one more nap to the list. Perfect. Which I was like, I was like, that's so interesting. How did one listener know that the other listener already did this? But I think it's perfect. Well, you know why? Because these people are well rested. That's absolutely right. Exactly. So we're going to start with the full top five list, and this comes from listener Heather.

Hi, Luke and Andrew. This is Heather from Boppel, and I'm calling. We already had this list going before you asked for top five favorite. These are my top five favorite naps. Okay. Honorable mention is going to be the camping nap. You go outside, there's lots of fresh air, you're sometimes running around, playing or doing something. Maybe you've taken a swim. The camping afternoon nap. Number five, the post-breakfast nap. So this is when it's really way too early in the day to nap, but you're going to do it anyway. It's either in college, it was I got up to go rowing and it was really early. We went to the cafeteria and then we went to bed at like 8 a.m. These days it would be a post-brunch nap where maybe you've had some Baileys and coffee or mimosa and it's like maybe 11 a.m. noon. Number four, very long nap. This is just a nap where somehow you've got kind of a free day. You wake up from your nap and you realize it's okay to keep sleeping. You roll over and you keep napping. nap number stay in line best nap this is as luke likes to say mommy daddy times this is the post mommy daddy times afternoon nap freaks self-explanatory i told you they're horny number two between two kids nap when i had my second daughter there was a day i think maybe a week into my second daughter's life where somehow i got my two-year-old daughter and my one-week-old daughter to sleep between me and take a nap. I think that maybe happened a couple of times, but it was just very special to figure out. If you want to know, if you want to understand

parenting in a nutshell, because you're somebody who's, you know, consciously made the choice to not have that be part of your life, as a parent of only one, I will say parenting in a nutshell is the fact that Heather remembers the specific nap in which her children both were sleeping at the same time that tells you how exhausting the process is how rare that was years ago i get it was years it was possibly decades ago it was 40 minutes and to this day heather remembers those

40 minutes me and take a nap i think that maybe happened a couple of times but it was just very uh special to figure out that our family was complete and they somehow both fell asleep and i could fall asleep that one is very specific to me the between two daughters one of them being a newborn nap. Number one, very best nap.

Wait a second. Is this top six? Did I miss? One, two, three, four. I've got four. We have camping. Camping. Post breakfast. Yeah, the midday. Very long nap. Very long. Mommy, daddy. Gross freak nap. Mommy, daddy times. Between kids. That's one, two, three, four, five. Oh, between kids is, you're right. So I guess this is a top six list. Heather, go ahead with your six.

And also, by the way, it's interesting, the ordering of these things, because you have post-sex nap, and then, boom, life comes at you fast, and now you're napping between kids.

Exactly, exactly.

No glove, no love, people, that's what I'm saying.

Now, I think the number one here is the one that I was thinking this would be my number one nap, if I recall correctly. Sports.

Playing on the TV, couch nap. So there's some sports on the TV, maybe golf, some kind of sport that is not a sport that you actually care about the outcome of this particular game anyway. And there's just kind of some crowd noise and some announcer noise. You're asleep on the couch. Maybe someone's in the kitchen making something good for dinner later. It's probably a Sunday. Number one nap forever. I will stand by this sports playing on the TV couch nap.

Yes. Power out. That was the number one that I was thinking of as well.

Phenomenal list, Heather. Should we hear? Should we talk about this list a little bit?

Let's get Chelsea in here. Chelsea wanted to add one, and then we'll compare and contrast.

Hey, guys. This is listener Chelsea from Iowa. And I'm thinking of top five ideas, and I kept thinking about naps. So your top five naps. I don't have a list myself right now, but I have been thinking about the warm summer afternoon nap outside. We just got one of those, like, couch bed dealies for our screened-in porch, and this summer I made use of that a lot. It was very lovely.

That sounds great.

Yeah, just another idea for you. Bye.

I hadn't thought of that one. That's great. If you can fall asleep outside, like, I remember going to a park with Genevieve in L.A. What's the main park that has, is it Silver Lake? I think it's Silver Lake, right? Yeah, with the reservoir? Yeah. And I remember trying, I remember sitting down under a tree. It was, like, idyllic. We sat down underneath a big tree. We were going to try to take a nap. And then Genevieve was able to nap. And then I couldn't fall asleep. I don't know if it was just, like, the ground and the roots or whatever. And I wanted to nap so badly, and I couldn't. And I still regret it. I'm still chasing that nap.

I have never been able to nap outside and sleep outside. It's some sort of like a primal thing where I cannot fully relax. Now, the funny part is every person that I've ever been in a serious relationship with, that's been the only place they can nap.

Oh, really?

Yeah. Like, I don't know. Again, in my experience, this is somewhat gendered, but I don't know if it always is. But it's like there are certain people, again, mostly people that I'm married to or dating who if I because I'm a big indoor napper, I'm a big like, hey, I'm going to go. I'm just going to go lie down for a Saturday or Sunday or whatever. And I just feeling a little sleepy and I'd like to take a nap. And they're like, yeah, I really can't nap. but if we're outside on a picnic blanket and there's like just enough activity going on just enough sound but not so much that it's like jarring or distracting that is for whatever reason what allows their brain to take a nap and that's been consistent with everybody i've ever been in a relationship with is that there are people that can nap on a picnic blanket outside which i can't do but are not really able to like just like close your eyes at two in the afternoon on sunday in the bed environment and then just like go back to sleep which is for me weirdly as a person who again i don't nap as much as i used to because i learned that a lot of that was just being hung over but um i still do enjoy a nap but my thing is for being a person who naps as much as i do i'm not somebody who can just like i'm i'm in the waiting area of the airport and i just like i'm in the chair and i close my eyes and i catch a few yeah me too or even like i don't really nap on the couch very effectively. I kind of, my thing with napping is I go get in my actual bed. I will change out of my clothing. I will get in some sweats. I will get into my real ass bed and close my eyes and nap that way, which is a kind of a pretty involved process. Most people, when they nap, I get the sense it's because they were lying on the couch watching golf and they just kind of snoozed a little bit. For me, I take it much more seriously. I consider this to be another sleep and so i kind of like do the whole thing as if i'm going to sleep again which i think

yeah that's interesting i'm not i'm definitely not like that i don't know if other people are but i was a little bit surprised to hear that that like you were like oh you're getting you prepare for a nap whereas yes my my whole thing the majority of my naps are what i was i was almost wondering if this is an addition to the list but i don't think so i think this is just how i always nap, which is charge up your batteries no, it's the during for me it is always the fake accidental nap if that means anything to you I always find myself napping when I lay down for just a second in the middle of the afternoon I say I don't really have time for this I'm not actually napping here, I'm just going to lay down for a second and I'm going to read whatever book i'm reading on my phone right and so i just lay down for a second i open up that book and then of or or the sports thing you know maybe i'm just gonna lay down for a second i'm gonna

going to put on whatever random baseball game that you don't care about some yeah exactly i'm

going to put on this cardinals game or whatever no no offense to st louis random marlins game drive to left from castellanos and i'm going to just i'll be like i'm just going to watch this for a little bit and then you fall asleep and of course you knew you were going to fall asleep like we're all adults here andrew don't don't piss on my head and tell me it's raining that's

another thing and also just don't even piss i don't care what you tell me is happening i have

a top five list of things you can tell me it is when you're pissing on my head. Maybe we'll get to that in another show. But anyway, it's just like, I never really acknowledge that I'm going to nap. I'm just going to sit down here for a second and read a little bit and we'll just see

what happens. Do you feel because on some level, and I know you're very, I appreciate this about you. You're a really nonjudgmental person about other people's behaviors generally. So I know you don't exactly probably want to say this but on some level at least for yourself do you feel like there's something a little a little a little lazy about napping yeah maybe and so you kind of don't

really want to admit that you're doing it yeah i think so i think it does it is probably something i don't primal is a really raw word to use there but i do think it has something to do with my upbringing that like you know not not my it's not like my dad never took a like a dagwood style nap or something like that. Right, but I bet you it was couch-related. Or I think this easy chair that he had, yeah. Yes. But the idea of just like, oh, I'm just going to take a break in my day and go lay down, it just wasn't something that we did. And so because of that, yeah, I probably do, in the same way I don't like eating potato chips out of the bag. You can eat just as many, but as long as you're putting them on a plate next to a sandwich, somehow it's not as bad. It's just literally the stereotype that we always see on TV, And again, I'm not I'm not actually judging other people here, but I'm saying what do what does it signify in any kind of pop culture thing when we see somebody sitting on a couch watching TV, eating chips out of a bag? That's never or it's very, very, very rarely a scene of somebody who's doing well. Right. Yes. And so these things are just like kind of in my head. And I definitely do think it's like we've talked about this. Like, I don't want Genevieve to come home and find me napping. it's easier for me sometimes if Genevieve is working at her desk on a Friday I might go outside and sit down on the couch like kind of not in her area but like kind of right behind her in our rumpus room thing and her desk is down here and if I fall asleep while reading my book and she's there and she was there for the beginning of it that's fine but for me if Genevieve were to come home from work and see me napping I just feel like I'd have a bad feeling about that not that it's never happened but

for all the grief that I give my mom on this show i have to say nothing like soup she did set a very positive example for me around napping nice my mom has been a and again you know freaking seven children like yeah i get it like my but my mom has always been somebody who has just like oh you know what i'm i'm tired this is of course when the kids were older and stuff and like you know could take care of themselves my mom would very frequently take like an afternoon nap and then come back down and start making dinner or whatever so that was modeled for me i guess i didn't code it as like i mean i will say even now like if i'm at becca's it's a sunday i am a little sheepish about the idea of like i'll be like hey you know what i actually and she to her credit is so not she's a non-napper but she's also so not judgy about me i'll be like hey i'm gonna do like a 20 minute nap she's like okay sure but then again i'll go in the bedroom i will get into some napping clothes i will get in the bed i will put the white noise machine on my phone and then i will i will take a nap but uh but yeah i don't i guess i i have some shame around it but not as much as you let me can i just give you my one sentence reaction to each kind of nap on heather's list because i was making notes and i have thoughts camping nap i think that the reason why the camping nap is so great is because when you are camping you are in the wilderness you are not living your normal life You are cooking over an open fire. You are maybe catching your own food by way of fishing. It's like everything is you're sleeping in a, you know, under the stars because everything is up for because because everything about your normal life has now been thrown into chaos. I feel like no one judges you for napping at the campsite.

And you've been exerting yourself probably in some way, right?

Yeah. So it's like I'm here's what I'm really into judgment free naps. And I feel like a camping nap is a judgment free nap because we're just like, listen, we're just trying to survive out here for these three days. And and no one's going to give you grief. Whereas like if you were maybe at home, they might kind of go, really, you're going to do that post breakfast nap. This, I think, might be the greatest nap of all time, particularly in my boozier days when.

younger days. So there was a sweet spot in my like 20s when I was going to a lot of art house movie theaters, Andrew, where it'd be like, you know, me and my, you know, friends or me and my whoever I was with at the time, girlfriend, wife, what have you. We went out a lot with our groups of friends and we put away a lot of alcohol and then you wake up the next morning. And whereas nowadays, if I woke up the next morning after that, I would need medical intervention. I would be not okay for a week in those days i just needed to get up and go to like uh uh like glows was glows still there when you and vives lived in your first place on capitol hill across the street yeah yeah so that was still in operation did you guys ever go to glow all the time yeah

you'd get a cup they'd give you mugs of coffee you could stand outside and drink the coffee while

you waited like there was an era of my life where it would be like you know a friday or saturday night was always going to be shutting down like sunset lanes or the lani lanes or something and then sunday morning or saturday morning was going to be dragging myself to glows having like a big old giant plate of food and then going back home and then crawling back into bed at about 11 a.m and like waking up long enough to fill your stomach with greasy eggs and bacon and english muffins or whatever so that that it could absorb up all of the alcohol from the night before so that you could then have because the sleep is fitful from the night before the like you fell asleep drunk sleep is not very restful we all know that so then it would take the glows it would take the breakfast food and then when you go back to sleep for the second sleep that's the best sleep

yeah you know that i associate that with a little bit later in my life because it everything you said is like yeah that's 20s and 30s i guess i lived in capitol hill in my 30s but that whole experience of like brunching or whatever but for me i don't know if in those situations i came back to nap it was later in life it was like once i hit my 40s that i started getting what genevieve and i have dubbed late onset hangovers yes like i never had that as a younger person and like you just in my 40s i would wake up and be like i guess i'm fine and then you would go to breakfast or brunch and then all of a sudden it's hitting you and you're just like my god this is hitting me like in the afternoon in the early afternoon and then that's when i crawl into bed for the nap so almost exactly what you just said except for me that phenomenon started happening more in my 40s

i agree with you that as you get older the hangover is a it's a it's a cunning cunning enemy and it seems to move later in the day so that whereas when you're young you wake up and you feel kind of terrible but you push through and then you're getting progressively better yeah i feel like when you're older you wake up and you're kind of like i guess i'm sort of okay and then it's about one and you're like why do i feel like i'm dying yeah exactly very long nap andrew this is one that i'm a fan of because again i am i am a napper and i don't like to generally put parameters on my nap like the best nap for me so if i'm at becca's and i'm feeling tired but i'm also feeling self-conscious that's when i'll say like i'm going to do a 20 minute nap but that's not really my favorite nap my favorite nap is you don't have anything else going on that day you have no responsibilities you can get back into bed and you can just let your body and brain do whatever it cares to do for the next however many hours and because i'm also somebody who for whatever reason i can take a very very long nap and still go to sleep at night That's, to me, very long nap is also a special, special little slice of heaven.

I am going through our archives desperately here, hoping that we've never named a show Nap Judgment, because I really want to name a show Nap Judgment.

I'll reach out to Glenn Washington and ask him.

Oh, I love that, man.

Snorrytelling with a beat?

Ooh-hoo-hoo! Took it to another level, my friend. No, let me do that. Nap Judgment colon snorrytelling with a beat. Thank you, sir.

uh post sex nap absolutely i mean all i will say is it's nature's trazodone i will let you know when i get married uh between two kids i i don't think i've ever because i only had one kid i don't think i've had that special moment but definitely sleep napping next to your kid who is young and has got you up early and i mean that's you know how you you sort of like if if you have a cat the joke is sort of like well i live here now if the cat falls asleep on your lap when you've got a real young kid like a you know a toddler and they fall asleep and uh and you're like let's say you're reading them a story or something so maybe they're in bed with you or whatever or even like you're in their little bed but you're reading them a story and they fall asleep that is a sign from the universe that you also need to go to sleep then because this is a golden opportunity for you both to get a little shut-eye in the afternoon.

Do a napping with a pet is a good one. too that we could just add to the list you know i literally luke i'm not even joking i was like can i call in late for work this was yesterday because i i try to get up like certainly like out of bed up and about no later than nine and you know that's not ideal 8 30 is better but yesterday i remember i was really dragging ass and it was like 9 0 5 or something like that and i'm still in bed and now i gotta get up but i can't bring myself to do it i'm scrolling on my phone and then that's when bingo decided to come in and join me now he doesn't snuggle all the time and so on the occasion and maybe he's like maybe he looked at me and he's like dude it's 9 10 he's staying in bed this must be the weekend i don't know what he thought but he hopped up onto the bed and just like put his full body weight against my legs and started cleaning himself which is what he does right before he like really snuggles up with you and starts napping and i was like god damn it i don't want to get up right now because i'm going to teach him that if he tries to snuggle with me that i'm rejecting him or something i don't know it's not very bright but like i just he'll never eat potato chips without shame right it really killed me i was like i want to encourage this kind of behavior but he's doing it at a moment where i have to get up i've already pushed this way too far and so then um and so then i had to get up and i apologized to him he seemed I mean, I'll be honest with you. He seemed pretty fine with the whole situation. But I was really bummed. And I was thinking, could I just call Luke and say, hey, we've got to dial up late today. I've got a cat napping on me.

I think we each get two of those a year. And depending on what your schedule is for the rest of the day or my schedule, I'm happy to delay things by an hour because of something cute and sleepy happening with the cat. It has to be cute, though. It has to be cute, I think. It has to be. And then sports TV nap. Oh, God. Hard to agree. but again it has to be golf and there should be a law there probably is technically but there should be a law that golf commercials have to have the same people doing the announcements as the golf game you can't go from like and vj singh is stepping up to the 17th here at tory pines into mountain dew baja blast you have to be mountain dew a baja blast right now um uh taco bell returning to the 90s all those things that you loved that it has to be consistent because

otherwise you're messing with my nap who is the wrestler there is a i think it started to die down a little bit there was a period a couple years ago where during baseball games especially in a couple of specific stadiums it was rick flair is it the yeah what did the no he goes whoo yeah the woo thing yeah and they the certain fan bases not every fan base but certain fan bases and certain ballparks and i think they tend to be the ballparks that don't have great attendance i'm almost wondering if this was maybe an oakland a's phenomenon when they were still in oakland and not a lot of people were showing up and you would have some bros who'd be doing oh right like constantly and they knew they were getting on tv because there was no one making any noise There wasn't very much noise there, and it was a phenomenon in baseball for a season or two a couple of years ago, and it was so annoying. I remember if you were trying to nap to a baseball game, but it was one of the Ric Flair games, we'll call them, and I'm wondering, what if you brought that energy to golf? What if those yahoos went to a green and started giving the woo or whatever while somebody's trying to putt?

Well, you know what? I will say this. By the way, I do remember that was a dark, dark summer for this nation. It really was. So I've left one thing out of the golf kind of sonic landscape, which is that is a thing, except it's people yelling Baba Booey or get in the hole, which is like a happy Gilmore joke. There's a whole thing with golf where, of course, you're supposed to be very quiet. Like they literally have guys and people whose job it is to hold up signs that say quiet while the golfer is in their backswing. but then the second that they make contact with the ball it is now considered it's allowed and it's encouraged even or it's permitted i guess to yell whatever the heck you want and that's when people yell things like baba booey or get in the hole or whatever probably they rick flared it so that is you know i'm talking about golf being this very relaxing thing but i think over time it's actually evolved into like a very relaxing thing maybe they turn maybe they turn their mics down a little bit but there is a screaming component of golf and it's right after the

ball's been made contact i did not realize that hey yeah back to the important conversation that we were having before post sex snaps do you remember devin the dude he's apparently from from houston was it houston we were looking at before we were looking you bring up devin the dude more than anyone else i know i really because it's a blast i only know him from you oh maybe when we were first doing the show i was in a real devin the dude phase and i

I totally forgot about it, and now I'm looking at music artists from Houston, and Devin the Dude is on the list, and I completely forgot that Devin the Dude existed. Okay, good. I was going to ask if we could hear some proof of concept. I don't know what he's famous for. This is the record that I had waiting to inhale. Wait, that's a good name. That's probably why you weren't so into him. I think he's a pretty big weed rapper, but that brings you kind of chill vibes like this.

Oh, yeah. i like this yeah i think he also put out in 2010 sweet 420 so he had a brand s-u-i-t-e sweet oh

that's interesting yeah yeah but boy i like that vibe yeah that's that's that's pretty great and I think Snoop and Andre are on that track, too. Anyway, that was a blast from the past and just something that I've been sitting on for the past five minutes that I had to get out there. That also sounds like good napping music. I could see that, absolutely. You know what I mean?

It's all kind of sort of at the same level and feels like a vibe.

Yeah, it's not going to surprise you.

Also, I do feel like it's fitting that we had people suggesting nap lists and then other people suggesting their own at least single addition to it because this is a show that very often when we talk to folks, they say, I listened to it to fall asleep.

Oh, that's true, yeah.

That's kind of one of our KPIs, is helping put people to sleep. KPI? Yeah, like, what's it? KPI is kind of like slang for one of our deliverables, key performance indicators.

Oh, interesting, okay.

One of our key performance indicators.

You can tell I don't really work for a living when I don't know phrases like that. that everybody that was a whole other part of a meeting that john and i had yeah you were napping i was napping and and peeing at the same time unfortunately well this has been a lot of fun i'm not even joking when i say i wish we could keep going here we do have more lists but again you know um maybe in the future if we have to pre-record some shows we can do this again because i would love to uh i'd love to to share some more of these lists absolutely keep them coming folks

Like, honestly, if you think of a top five, send it in via email or voice recording or whatever you want to do. Because, yeah, these are a really fun way to, you know, to do a show and to talk about life's rich pageantry by way of post, pre, or during sex naps. Sure.

You're really obsessed with that one there.

I am. I can tell I've got napping on the brain and other things. All right. Well, that's going to do it. for actually this week of TBTL. My goodness. Thank you, everyone, for spending the time with us. We are going to be back here on Monday with more Imaginary Radio. So please do join us for that. In the meantime, have a great weekend. Enjoy the rest of your Friday. Go Seahawks. And please remember, no mountain too tall. And good luck to all.

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