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I will come to your house. I will go to your refrigerator. I will take your butter out of your fridge. I will eat the butter in front of you and your family's eyes. and i i force you to watch me while i eat all your butter you will beg and cry and say no don't eat all our butter we need for christmas i will say haha not my problem and take the empty bottle i will throw it on the stairway i will go home tbtl

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print that makes people well all right hello good morning and welcome everyone to a wednesday edition of tbtl the show that just might be too beautiful to live just study it out and you'll see my name's luke burbank i'm your host hello cd listeners coming to you from the madrona hill studio perched high above the mighty columbia where it's a wet one folks didn't know you like get wet though atmospheric river time around here but uh as we like to say luckily it's warm and dry here inside the madrona hill studio and we are ready to bring you episode 4606 there we go in a collector's series let the fun begin it is the day before thanksgiving who you calling tricky and uh many of us myself included are going to be traveling uh some distance for thanksgiving festivities. I'll be in my car. There are a lot of people flying, though, right now. And the Secretary of Transportation has some advice for how what is, we all agree, a pretty soul-crushing experience of air travel could be made better for everyone. And that would be if you just spiffed up your outfit a little bit. I feel cute today. Look at my outfit. We will talk about that. A very relevant topic on this day of much travel. And also So we've got an update from yesterday's show. Can you verify? Can you give me some 411? Involving this vanity that I'm trying to have shipped to my house from the terminal and the various entities. For those of you who barely survived the mundane logistics talk yesterday, buckle up, Hucklebuck, because we got more of it today. And we got more of this guy, longest-ready co-bro of the show, maybe best known for his depictions of the tall ships. Hey there, Fireball. He's Andrew Walsh, and he's joining me right now. Good morning, my friend.

Good morning. At the risk of being disrespectful to the show sheet creator, I'm sitting here listening to you talk about what's coming up on the show today, and I'm going to take a gamble here and say that we have plenty to talk about, and I am really curious about something that you have as a top story that I want to ask you about here at the top of the show. So I'm going to ask my question.

And Andrew, we haven't even gotten into this yet.

Oh, geez, what is that?

Oh, you mean the, who makes this thing? Is that a karaoke machine?

Oh, yeah, you're talking into a different microphone. I thought something was broken for a second there.

Broken, it's the opposite. Something's working really well.

So this is your way of saying, no, I shouldn't ask my question. Almost asked and then answered.

Hold on, I'm turning this off. Okay. I'll tell you about that later. Okay, I was curious about what's going on. I'm very excited about this machine.

I have a view of the world here that the listeners don't have, which is, and this doesn't happen too often, but sometimes a story will start on one show sheet, and then if we don't get to it, you see the same story on the next show sheet. I have a different view of things today because I'm watching a story evolve. A story that we didn't get to yesterday now has evolved to a different phase of the story on the show sheet today, and I want to know what the hell is going on with your streaming services.

Oh, sure. You know what I mean?

Yesterday you were like, oh, I'm having issues with my streaming service, and now today I see that you might have done something about that. I sure did. Andrew, I'm a man of action, and my words will count. Certainly. Could you say that with some more echo on your voice?

I absolutely could. In fact, let's see here. Give this thing a second. uh nothing would make me happier what could i could i actually see here we have some effects that i could use

I could say it, this is karaoke setting, Andrew. I'm a man of action. This is the original. I'm a man of action. Okay, yeah, that's drier. This is Monster. I'm a man of action. I don't like that.

Okay, what about Cartoon? Andrew, I'm a man of action.

That's what I wanted to hear. Now you're getting a little bit close to snacks, the bunny territory. Be careful. I don't need another. I don't know how many ceases and desists I can get in one week.

Yeah, snacks has been a big topic of the show. You're right. This is, yeah.

I hadn't noticed that, but this is definitely snacks now.

Yeah, be careful. Be careful. Snacks has lawyers. Snacks aren't cool like that. We're allowed to.

How about this? Do you want to hear a little? Do you want to hear a little Tammy Wynette?

Oh, this machine has music plug already stored in it.

Sometimes it's hard to be a woman.

Give it all your love to just run down.

This is not a thing.

I had to test this out.

I had to test this out on this song.

I used to have an ex, by the way, that said the psychopathy test was if you're sound checking, if you're a band and you're doing a rehearsal or something, and one of the members of the band continues to talk into the microphone while you're all just standing around there.

Oh, you mean you've done the sound check, the sound check's over, but now the person with the microphone is continuing to communicate with their band members.

To the small group of people, like you're on stage or maybe you're at your rehearsal space and like we could just be talking in normal voices. But someone continues to use the microphone to address the small assembled group that that was a that was a sign of psychopathy.

Does that also apply to protesters using bullhorns? I mean, bullhorns are fun, but I can see if you're holding it in your hand and you're talking to your buddy, it's kind of hard not to just raise that thing up your lips.

I had to test it out on Stand By Your Man because that is my mom's number one karaoke song. And I bought this machine, this karaoke machine, to take to the house, to take to the Burbank Ancestral Estate, as our friend Dave Ross likes to say.

So it looks like a mid-size Bluetooth speaker, essentially, kind of with a handle on top, kind of a boombox-style Bluetooth speaker, very minimal. but then it's got a flip up lid that is a touch screen with two microphones in it as a storage thing but the touch screen is how you're actually playing the music so I always

the touch I'm playing the music off of my phone right now I'm Bluetoothing into this now theoretically this thing has Wi-Fi and it can go on YouTube and it can go on KaraFun and various things but I was unsuccessful this morning at getting that all set up and so I just kind of I went with the the slight hassle of Bluetooth-ing my phone. So I'm playing the YouTube version of Tammy Wynette's Stand By Your Man on my phone, which is then coming through this speaker.

The YouTube karaoke version, right? You look for the karaoke version on YouTube?

Yes, although one thing I've also learned about my mom is she likes some amount of singing on the song. My mom's perfect. Most people, if they're doing a karaoke song, they don't want any vocals on the song that aren't them. And that's sometimes tricky to find, you know, that version of the song. It's the song with the vocals stripped out. We've occasionally found that for my mom When we've been singing She's like, I like some vocals She would like about 30% of the original vocals And then she'll sing over that That's kind of her preferred zone

I feel like I can understand I've literally never done karaoke But I can sort of see that as being like

I could hold this mic up to the I don't think I can use that much I hold the mic up to my headphones And then you sing into it?

Here, let me try That's how it works Let me try this I'm going to play a karaoke Because I didn't fully realize That you can basically get any karaoke version of a song on YouTube these days.

We are living in the future.

There must be some sort of financial implications of that for the karaoke world, but here, I'm going to play a karaoke version of a song. I want you to come in hot on this. Okay, you ready? Let me get my mic on.

Give me a sec here. Okay.

I have not previewed this because I did not know we were talking about this, but this says it's a karaoke version of this song.

Am I going to know the lyrics to this?

I think so. Scat Man's World.

Da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da. I'm probably a little behind. Good. It's perfect. I can't separate the...

I'm calling out to Scatman. Nice. I'm calling out to Scatman's world. Nice. That's pretty much all the way to do.

I'm impressed. I wouldn't have known where... I honestly would not have known where to even come in or what to say in that moment.

The beat is fairly repetitive. Sure. If you kind of joke...

We don't have been anywhere that makes sense.

Boy, this sounds like, when you take away the lyrics, this just sounds like one of those, like, what were those Now CDs? Like 1999. Now that's what I call music. Now that's what I call 1999.

Uh, Sweet Only.

I'm calling out the scat land. I'm calling out the scat man's world.

that is pretty slick though

because home karaoke again I need to be careful because it's just it's not my world but I've been around I've been around you I remember you had that do you remember you had a birthday party at like a lake house or something like 10 no more than 10 maybe about 10 years ago we rented

like island or something

and anyway I just remember you guys did karaoke or you were very excited about a karaoke set up at the time But if I remember correctly, I mean, I think it was slick at the time. It was the whole thing, right? But it was like a whole thing. It was like a whole kit and caboodle, as they say on TikTok. Like you have, there was a stand and a device and all these cables and then plugging your computer into it. And now you're just kind of like, oh. And it probably still didn't work great. Yeah, that I'm not sure about. You'd know better than me.

I feel like there's, I think that there's sort of been a confluence. And this is, you know, we've gotten, we haven't gotten any closer to talking about my streaming. but we will, Andrew. We will. There's been a confluence of technology and I guess, I don't know if you'd call it software, but things have come together to make this little device that I bought so vastly superior to all of the little karaoke machines.

I think a microphone is still on because you have it in the storage thing but you held the speaker up to you.

That's like when they've got someone almost in the ground

and they're like, I'm not dead yet. I could just hear it squeaking a little bit out of the box.

Andrew, can I just say how friggin' next level that assessment was? You're in a different city than me, and you heard the same noise I heard, and I couldn't quite place it, and your mind immediately was like, one of those mics is not off, but it is in its charging coffin, and that's what's happening. I assumed it would just auto-shut off when I put it in its thing. it did not. Really, really great

analysis. I'm a troubleshooter.

But basically, like, it used to be harder to find the karaoke version of songs, you know what I mean? Like, they weren't just, like, all over YouTube, everywhere. I mean, there was a time when they were on Laserdiscs. You'd have to go, you know, to the karaoke DJ, and they'd have to get out the Laserdisc and cue up the song. So now the songs are everywhere and easily accessed on, like, your phone and stuff, so that's a big step forward. Bluetooth technology is better. There are no cables involved in this. I mean, it's two wireless mics.

God, I hate cables. So actually, can I give a quick update on something, which isn't even a good update, and nobody cares about it. Nobody cared about it when I brought it up the first time in the middle of Blur's days three weeks ago. But it really – Be nice to my friend Andrew. But I hate cables. Cable management is an impossible dream. I know some people have it under control. I don't know who you are. I don't even want to get into it. So I've said for years and years, my dream future is when I can set up my studio in here and all of these cables don't exist. They don't need to exist. So therefore, I'm pretty high on the Bluetooth technology, which by the way, let's just take a real quick moment to appreciate Bluetooth and QR codes both really wormed their way into our hearts, didn't they? There was a time when both of those were technologies that didn't really seem necessary. I only knew what Bluetooth was because my friend's rich aunt had a Bluetooth thing in her ear at all times that was connected to either a cell phone or a PDA or something like that. And you could just every now and then see through her hair a little blip of blue flash. Because remember, Bluetooth devices I think were pretty much just used as hands-free devices. But it was before everybody had hands-free devices. Because, again, it was before earbuds, right, or air buds, I guess. and so i was like yeah bluetooth i guess you can talk without using your hands and it just seemed like what a small usage and now of course it has taken over so much of our entertainment lives and the way we connect our devices i'll say and has generally gotten better by the way because there

was also a period where they were a lot of bluetooth stuff was coming out and it was so unreliable in terms of making the connection and everything that was almost not worth it

Yeah. And then this is totally an aside, but then also the QR code situation is just like you would just see those like what is the point of these QR codes? Sometimes people would put them on posters around a neighborhood or something, advertising something or promoting something. And sorry, I got to get bingo. off my board here otherwise i'll be troubleshooting other things um so anyway and then the pandemic hits everybody's using qr codes for menus and now i just sort of feel like qr codes are like used for a lot of things that make sense you know what i mean like you can i used one last night andrew when i was setting up my new tv streaming oh yes okay perfect yes right back around that's huge that is a huge thing like when you're signing into a service on a new device and it's like You don't have to, like, use your remote control to tap in your entire email and then some crazy password.

Or go to this extremely long YouTube TV slash login slash whatnot. Yeah. It was giving me this option of going to a website on, like, my laptop or just QR code.

QR code on your phone, and it takes you to the website, and then you say, it's me. Bob's your uncle. That's my password, too. Anyway, I did want to go back to my quick update on my own YouTube. woes, which is I mentioned to you that I have a new Bluetooth speaker that works with every device except for my record player and a record player that works with every Bluetooth speaker except for my new Bluetooth speaker

and they occasionally just stop shaking hands

right? Well they don't disconnect, you're just listening to a song, you're listening to a record and about once or twice per side of a record the song just drops out for one to two seconds, which sounds like a small period of time, but it's a very long period of time when you're jamming out when you're just yeah like you're listening to night

ranger sister christian and it's like your motor and that actually doesn't even work because i just created space in the song you wouldn't have heard the end of motoring exactly you just it would be

it would be more like hold on i've got a microphone here it would be i think more like this

I can finally sing along in real time.

That's right here. Do you want me to? No, that's pretty good. You're a little bit behind because of the delay, but you're doing great. Anyway. I think that's generous. I asked, I just mean in general, I asked the listeners if they had any idea, like, why is it this particular turntable with this particular speaker, it drops out when those devices work with other Bluetooth devices. Each of them seem fine on their own. And I did this whole analogy about being like Smilex gas that really resonated with the young people. And I got one email about this. And I'm sorry, I don't remember the person who wrote in, but we went back and forth. And I found it very helpful, but also dispiriting, which is the answer is Bluetooth technology is just still kind of nascent. And the devices that we're using kind of keep changing, you know, like generations of Bluetooth or whatever. So certain devices just don't play well together. And I hate that. I hate that phrase. when I say these don't play well together doesn't it sort of evoke a kind of person that we've worked with and I'm not thinking any particular person but it just sort of feels like engineers and folks have been telling me well these don't play well together

I'm not in love with that way of framing it either

but I get why you used it it's more like Smilax Gas I always say stop I'm going to stop you right there could you tell it to me in Smilax Gas but anyway yeah so it just sort of sound and then i did a lot you didn't see better call saul but like there's a character in better call saul who thinks that like uh electricity is invading he has to like tear all electricity

out oh yeah sure michael mckeon's character yeah exactly so you know his business partner right his brother yeah exactly because i did get that far oh you did yeah i was basically like that the

other night after i brought it up on the show i'm like maybe other bluetooth devices in the home are interrupting or trying to connect to my speaker or something. So I, like, one by one started removing or turning off, fully powering down DartBot. DartBot did not like that. I'm like, DartBot, I got to put you to sleep a little bit. That's my iPad thing. I totally turned it off. I totally turned my phone off. I turned off my Skylight frame as if that could even Bluetooth if I wanted to.

Anything that might be, yeah, competing on the Bluetooth. I don't know if it's a frequency. I don't understand how it works.

but like whatever that channel is yeah and so i just i unplugged everything i made sure that my television and bluetooth turned totally off i just and so i was like kind of going around the little basement area here like i made a little hat out of tinfoil i put it over my own head i put it over dartbot's head and nothing fixed i really when you start troubleshooting you start believing and that's where hope is a dangerous thing it sure is hopium yeah because if you i it's doing it again by the way. Oh, it's sitting next to you. I need to have it ready, Andrew.

No, that's fine. I just want to make sure you knew. I'll try and see if I can turn the whole thing down. I cannot be trusted to have this. I'm putting it away. Let's close the things that close.

If you knew.

I was literally trying various things to not create that little bit of sound so that if I needed it, I could have it. but I think I need to just put it away and focus on the show. I can't give you an exact example, but I know exactly what you're talking about, which is you're sort of stymied by a problem, and then you have a moment of going, oh, but maybe it's this.

Right.

And then you get excited because you're like, oh, maybe, you know, and again, I can't give you—

And you protect your heart. You think, well, maybe this is probably a long shot. This probably won't work. But you still can't kill the hope inside, right?

No, because as you're doing more things, each thing you're turning off, And then when you get When you get like that entire basement Like un-bluetoothed And then you start bringing things back online Or maybe you're leaving them all offline And you're just playing your record player With your speaker Whatever it is, there's that moment where it's that moment of truth And you've built yourself up Even if you're trying not to You've now become very hopeful that this is going to solve the problem

Yeah, and I think there's no I think there's no solution to it I was looking up The other thing that really ticks me off is like i i really like this record player i have and i and i like the speaker that i bought for it and i know that they're both like you know mid-level consumer devices but when you start looking for help with anything related to turntables you just get into the snobbiest oh really user communities and like basically i'm like any issues with i i can't believe i hadn't actually googled the specifics before i had been googling issues with one device or issues with the other device and And this time I was like, I just fully, I'm just like, does the one by one turntable have issues with Marshall Bluetooth speakers or something? And some people did post specifically about their setup with those two devices, but they didn't have the same problem as me. They had some other problem. They were just trying to figure out if there was some functionality. And basically every answer was, why would you even use those? What's the point of going down to a mono speaker? You know that two channels, like, why don't you get a good record player? What is the point of getting a turntable? that was their response that's like everybody that everybody's like everybody's just like why would you even try to listen to your music on this stuff it was just like it was exactly like that character from i think you should leave the tim heidecker character just kind of like he's listening to boots mcshorty or whatever and he's just like uh you know king of the tuck tuck king of the tuck tuck sound isn't it amazing that i couldn't i quote that here's king of the tuck tuck sound all the time yet i couldn't think no you know i have a hard time with those names too

even though somebody sent me Roy Donk, Marcus the Worm Hicks.

Yes, Marcus the Worm Hicks.

And there's one that's like Tiny Boop Shorterly or something. Yes, yes, I've emailed it, yeah. But they're all so kind of similar but different, and I mix them together.

Yeah, he's no Roy Donk. He's no Roy Donk. Anyway, so I've sort of just given up on it.

Phooey, I'm sorry. I was hoping that story ended with a happier ending.

It's a real big bummer because the record player is maybe three years old, tops the the bluetooth speakers brand new and it just sits there nicely i really like it i can't return it anymore i'm past the point of no return literally past the point of no return but anyway

so that's that's my story of whoa and it's consistent so it's like how like is it once

an hour it does this once an evening i'm gonna say like once or twice per album side and album sites are about 20 minutes long i think so yeah yeah once every 10 to 15 minutes just And again, it's just like, yeah, it's not a long period of time, but it just interrupts your flow. You're talking, the music's in the background, you're not even paying attention to the music, but then suddenly the music just disappears. Ira Glass knows how to do this to great effect on This American Life. The music disappears.

It's all about the timing. And everything changes. Yeah, everybody leans into their radio. Yeah, exactly. But you don't want that while you're listening to Donovan. No, not at all, hurdy-gurdy, man. You know, the thing that I'm now remembering where I thought maybe, and this wasn't even me really trying to solve the problem because I kept hiring people, but remember that long, boring story of me trying to fix that heating and air conditioning system in my upstairs, that mini split? You needed a sniffer. And I had the thing where they didn't bring the sniffer, and the guys were, I thought, kind of rude to me, and then a micro hurricane hit their business, which felt like a sign of something. And then I had the new guys come out, and they were really nice and really helpful. well it it oh no it does not appear to have fixed there's it would appear that there's something fundamentally broken with the machinery i guess because you know these guys came out the second round of guys they came with everything they could and if they were like yeah if this doesn't fix it We're kind of out of ideas. And this thing is brand new.

That's the thing, but you've had it for a while, so can you return it?

No. In fact, it says on the—I would just like to give these guys a put-down. The company is called Pioneer. Please do not buy a mini-split from the Pioneer company. I have a Mr. Cool mini-split that works great. Mr. Cool. Would recommend Mr. Cool.

Why would you buy anything but Mr. Cool? Well, this— Because you felt threatened, that's why, because you said, I'm the Mr. Cool around here. This house ain't big enough for two Mr. Cools.

I know you too well. It was literally one of those impulsive things that I do where I wanted to get this device because people were going to be coming over and staying. This is in the summertime, and I wanted the upstairs to not be super-duper overheated. And the Mr. Cools, because they're a good product, were sold out in most places, but the Pioneers weren't. What might that tell you? Yeah, right. But I'm at this point now where, because I was trying to run it the other night, this heating thing, so that the upstairs of my house would be hospitable when my parents were over, and it just doesn't work. It doesn't heat up the area, and I'm looking at it and now thinking, so there were different periods where I thought I'd fixed it. one time there was this plastic piece that went into the actual the hood the part that's in the interior of my hallway and i thought maybe this plastic piece had not been clicked on there right and so that was going to change everything you know so i like click that on with great hope and expectation and it didn't work now i'm just like am i gonna have to literally pay someone to come take this thing out and put a new one in its place and just like chuck this i don't know $1,100, $1,200 device that I bought that is brand new. Oh, the other thing I was going to say is as soon as you take it out of the box, it's out of warranty. That's one of the things they literally tell you. I'm like, well, how? So it's in warranty as long as you haven't taken it out of the box or tried to install it.

That's ridiculous. It's insane.

And of course, this is a company that's not based here in the U.S. Pioneer. Pioneer

not connected to the audio. Okay, because you know, you never know.

yeah but um no this is uh this is i don't know how they actually were able to also get that same name you think uh mini i'm just double checking because i'm doing this from memory uh yeah it's there it's the pioneer mini split company and um yeah it's a real bummer but i guess i thought of that because of your your speaker and your record player i guess you could at some point just find a new place for that marshall bluetooth speaker to go and buy a different bluetooth speaker and just be like, this Marshall speaker lives somewhere else in the house, maybe your kitchen or something, and that's what it's there for, and then hope that the newer Bluetooth speaker doesn't have this same weird glitch.

Okay. We have so much to talk about, but let's go back to the speaker for a second, because you and I, I feel like, and I could be totally wrong about this, are kind of not addressing a potential elephant in the room, and I'm interested in your thoughts on this, but it's a sensitive topic, because I mentioned to you, and by the way, did you just hear me inhale and did you hear the sound that came out of my out of the death rattle yeah did you hear

the death rattle i actually didn't i'm sorry i shouldn't play oh that was rough no i am i actually did not hear it i know you get sensitive about that so i literally did not hear it oh yeah no

i just breathed in and um anyway you can rewind if you want to hear that okay so i know it's a little bit sensitive because uh i mentioned to you that i bought this marshall uh bluetooth speaker uh and you said oh yeah i have that same one it was a gift and so and i don't you know because I don't want you to speak ill of a gift.

I have a different one, by the way, for the record.

I have an earlier model. But the reason I liked this one was because it was the only model that had actual knobs and buttons, like physical things. As opposed to, you know, people know that a lot of Bluetooth things are just like, they have those buttons that are underneath rubber or something. It's all flush.

Yeah, it's a rubber thing that you never know if you're pushing it enough or not.

Exactly, and it's very unsatisfying. I think there are reasons for that. I think it's because they're built to be on the go and probably water resistance and stuff. But this thing is not going on the go with me. It was the only device in the Best Buy, and it was probably my most expensive impulse purchase. I'd been planning to get a Bluetooth speaker for a long time. Hadn't really done the research. Was at Best Buy for something else, I think work-related. And then, as Camaro Kev would say, just swangled by the Bluetooth aisle just to see what was what. And I saw this thing, and I really liked that it had buttons and knobs on the top, and it doesn't look like it's built to go to the beach. It looks like it's built to sit on the shelf or whatever. So I bought it, and I'm mostly happy with it, other than the whole Smilex problem. But it's an aesthetic, right? And I know that I didn't say that right. And it's like Marshall, the Marshall Amp company, which is a brand I trust, but it sort of implies a certain kind of rock. I like rock and roll. That is not really my vibe, you know? So style, like, I like it. I like the way it feels.

It says I'm a guy who might want to have a long conversation about what guitar Joe Walsh used for a particular song.

You nailed it. Is that something that was sort of in the back of your head, too? It doesn't look bad on my shelf, but it definitely does look like, oh, yeah, let's listen to the Rolling Stones or something like that.

Well, it's very funny. Mine was a gift from my daughter and mine is a lot smaller. Mine is kind of one of those ones that you would throw just into a like a, you know, a tote bag if you were going to the beach. Oh, OK. So yours is smaller. OK. Yeah. Mine is like a cube and it has that, you know, classic kind of martial. You know, it's it's it's not as I did have the thought which was like, oh, this is not a this is not the style of my you will not find me wearing a chain necklace that has a guitar pick on it. sure or other things that i think go with the marshall amp lifestyle yeah um you will not find me with many of those things but because this isn't a thing that sits on a dedicated shelf somewhere as essentially a home speaker for me it didn't uh i didn't i i didn't worry about it a whole lot because i thought this is just a thing that i'm going to bring around to make sounds when i'm you know out of the house i need a bluetooth speaker whereas like yours is a little more robust yours is kind of in one place yours says that you have real thoughts about Joe Satriani

I do I do, bring him back I don't know, where has he been, is he still recording?

he was on the black carpet I think

of course he was

oh that story is finally airing this week by the way oh that's the Metallica one Christmas came early everyone you're going to finally get to see me talking to you're going to get to see me talking to Metallica and then you're going to get to see someone who's not me talking to Jason Momoa on the black carpet because it was when I stormed off.

Did that actually make, that didn't make it into the piece, did it?

The Momoa made it into the piece. Oh my God, that is a... Aquaman made it into the story.

Wow, that is a twist. Is that enough to get you to watch CBS Sunday morning? No, but that is a twist ending. That is some Shyamalan type of stuff there. Yeah, sure.

Unbreakable, what they call me, Mr. Glass.

Because you collect so, especially this story, which you've been covering for so long, Like, how many different scenes? Like, don't even think about the people involved, but how many different scenes did you go to?

So many more than can ever fit into seven minutes of television.

Yeah, oh, seven minutes. Okay, that's a healthy story. Yeah, we got some time for it. So that's good. You got some real time for it. But the fact that this one thing that you stormed off, and so a producer interviewed Aquaman, who's not a musician, gets into the piece. Oh, you won't answer this question. Is there a chance that the producer wanted to put that into the piece to make a point?

It's very possible, and if it was, I actually honor that.

Yeah, right.

You know what I mean? And this producer and I are actually very good friends, and we've done many, many stories together since, and we really cleared the air on this. But when the story was in, because this thing has just been sitting on a shelf for so long, when it was in its formative stage, i.e. we were sort of writing it together, you know, kind of going back and forth with the script. we had not i felt like we had not fully buried the hatchet and i did think i'm not going to i'm not gonna i'm not gonna fight extra hard first of all i'm not gonna walk off of the shoot like a petulant baby and then also weeks later advocate strongly to take out the jason momoa piece right like i felt like i get to do one or the other right i don't get to do both right and so and so And now we are cool, and I guess now I could probably say, like, hey, I don't know if that serves the piece. It's fine. It's literally four seconds of him saying, like, I grew up listening to Metallica. And he is Aquaman. You know, it's like, okay, it's not nothing.

He's easy on the eyes. I mean, you've got to give something to that CBS audience. I couldn't tell you I wasn't there. I was halfway to the Hollywood Park Casino.

Literally walking through various parking lots in Inglewood, like, shaking with that kind of weird post-conflict adrenaline. Yeah, I know it so well. It's just like, I just did something very, I mean, very extreme. I've never had not, I had not done that previously and I haven't done it since, I'm happy to say. But then it's just like, now I'm just kind of walking around. I just kind of don't know what to do with the way I'm feeling.

I know that feeling, so I know. And it takes you so long to get down from that or to come down from that. And you can't trust any thoughts you have. I think I'm to the point where when I have that, I'm conflict averse, as you know, but I still get into conflicts or at least what I perceive to be conflicts. And so when you find yourself in that really peak state, like whatever just happened is past you now. But now you have this real stew of various feelings and all kinds of toxic thoughts that might not even be related to what happened. Like it just can like you can spiral pretty quickly. And you really just got to keep telling yourself. Don't make any important decisions until this particular drug, this self-made drug, wears off.

What I went to very quickly was apology mode. Now, I didn't go back to the shoot because even as bad as I felt, I did not want to stand on the black carpet. But I did immediately. I found a place, a little restaurant or something. I sat down, and I started composing my apology text to the crew and the producer saying that was really unprofessional of me. So I felt like that I wasn't going to regret that I mean I would have regretted saying something like I'm never working with you again Or I'm getting on an airplane or whatever But all that is to say Rock and roll will never die And the Metallica piece Is going up on CBS Sunday morning this weekend So everyone tune in for that please

I never ask you I think To leverage your contacts

Did Barry Weiss approve it? Yes

No I was going to ask Do you think James Hetfield could help me with my Bluetooth speaker situation?

Honestly, the guy is such a mensch. If you walked up to him with your Marshall Bluetooth thing and you were like, hey, you're a rock and roll guy. Do you know anything about this? I promise you, Andrew, no joke. He would literally try.

He would at least consider the situation.

He would not be like, who is this person talking to me? What are they? What? Where's security? He would literally go, oh, man, I don't have one of these. But there's got to be a button, right? Like, he would give it a try, which is one of the things that was very endearing about him and everybody in that band. Okay, let me rank the helpfulness of the members of Metallica with your Bluetooth. I would say most helpful is probably going to be Robert Trujillo, the bassist. Yeah. Who has an interesting story. He was doing drywall and listening to Metallica. In other words, he was working construction, because Metallica had a bass player before him. Can you imagine, like, hanging drywall in Southern California and listening to Metallica, and then one day being in Metallica? That's bananas. Actually, you can. You were listening to TVTL, and now you work here. Actually, that's a really good point. I could not have picked a person with a tighter analog to that.

And the fact that I didn't even think of that really makes me sad, yes.

But, well, this ain't Metallica, let's be honest.

Yeah, this ain't Metallica.

But, so, Trujillo, very nice. I mean, they were all very nice, but just in terms of helpfulness, I'd say Trujillo. Then probably Kirk Hemet The guitar player And then Hetfield And then Lars Ulrich

I'm not surprised about this Lars is probably not interested in helping me much at all

He wouldn't be mean about it But he would have better boundaries than the rest of them

Does he know that I sometimes Bit torrent movies? How does he feel about that?

You know what's really funny Andrew Is that I would say 30% of the people Particularly men of our age who I've brought the topic of Metallica up with, including I had to take an Uber from here to the airport a while ago because I was going to be gone so long it didn't make sense to park my car. And the guy was asking me what I do, and I said, I do these TV stories. And I started talking about, I just did a story about Metallica, and he goes like, oh man, Napster. Like, there is a certain age group of guy who, if you mention Metallica or Lars Ulrich, the first thing they think about is Napster. It is bigger in certain guys' minds. Then whatever it is Metallica did musically, it's that Lars Ulrich is mad about us stealing music.

Yeah, I just felt, and like, it's a complicated debate, right? But I just feel like, because didn't he testified right in front of Congress, I think. I could be wrong, but it just seemed like such a, you know.

But we did talk about that, just like, literally, like, while we were just shooting the shit. It wasn't even part of our interview, per se. It wasn't like something on my list, like, we've got to address this. and he what he said to me was he was like yeah i did not intend to become the face of anti-piracy anti-napster he was like literally like it was one of those weird things where he had said something about it in an interview and then somebody had reached out to him and then he had been pulled in front of congress and then all of a sudden he's like as tipper gore was to censorship you know he was suddenly the opposite he was the he was the opposing force of of bit torrenting which i mean i think he did think it was kind of wrong to steal music but i don't think it was like his big desire was to become seen as the face of pushing back on napster yes although

i do think that he he he pushed back on the people who criticized his take i do feel like i remember

i would believe that that's why i said he'd be the fifth most helpful yeah at your blue you know

what i i saw speaking of blue things be careful i saw uh on uh blue sky recently i saw somebody post something that this was this was weeks ago and I want to get this close to right but it basically said you can't steal something that you don't own

And this is not about music these days. This was about software. Like, we pay so much money. This is no joke. Donors, do you want to know where your money goes? Like, this is the type of thing that your money goes to to keep TBTL going. I have this Adobe suite of programs that we need, and it includes video editing. I have my audio software that I've been using for a decade since it was called CoolEdit, as I mentioned the other day. Whatever. Photoshop.

Did your cool edit logo ever have sunglasses integrated in or is that a Mandela effect?

I think you're thinking of GoDaddy, which I was actually talking about last night.

And you're sure I'm not thinking of the Raisin Bran?

Oh, yeah. You know why I brought up the GoDaddy logo last night? I was talking to a friend and Boing Boing came up. And I was like, Boing Boing. I haven't heard about or I haven't thought about Boing Boing in a while. I don't know if people like Cory Doctorow still write for Boing Boing. I don't know. I feel like some of those people got bigger than Boing Boing.

I think that Cory Doctorow stepped away.

Yeah, too Boing Boing to fail, I think. But anyway, my point is, I'm pretty sure, if you're looking it up, tell me if I'm right. I think Boing Boing kept the same logo that is like kind of the GoDaddy era logo, isn't it? Like kind of a blocking. It was a guy drilling, right? Jack hammering, I thought.

Jack hammering, I think, into the internet.

Yeah, and I'm pretty sure that has not changed at all. And while it is not my style, I appreciate them just being like, this is the Boing Boing logo and we're sticking with it.

It's pretty. I've got to be honest with you. I think I'm looking at the. Did they update it? How would I call it? I want to be careful because I feel a weird kind of affinity. Oh, yeah. By the way, I'm looking at their store and the whole wallpaper on their store is that guy, Jack Hammering.

Oh, OK. Yeah, you're right. They've definitely stuck with him. And they actually, you know what? they've updated the the the i think this font this new boing boing font i'm calling it new i haven't been here in decades but i don't think that's the original boing boing i think it has i think it's sort of kept the spirit of it but it's not as bad as it was i feel like it was more go daddy back in the day let me finish my thought though this is my fault sorry i just the thing is we now live in a day and age where you have to rent software you're not even buying it back back in the day if i wanted adobe photoshop i bought a copy of it and i put it on my computer and as years go by that would get more antiquated and at some point just like a car i would have to decide this thing i bought is no longer keeping up to date with my needs so i'm going to upgrade and then i buy more software or updated software and it's mine they don't sell you software anymore They rake you over the damn coals with the subscription prices. We pay a certain amount of money every single month for me to use the software that is on two of my computers and no more, only two computers. And I don't own that. I don't own that. I'm renting at exorbitant prices. I'm renting this. So therefore – and by the way, I don't pirate any software anymore. I really don't. There was a time that I did. But, you know, I pay for everything. Everything is above and above board. But it's really galling to be like, oh, you can't steal our stuff. You're not stealing it because you're not selling it to us.

Yeah, that's an interesting idea because, you know, they've moved. They figured out, obviously, that if they sell you the software and you're like and like cool edit and you're able to just somehow keep like limping it along and avoiding certain updates and upgrades. And, like, if you can just make it work for a long time, it doesn't provide as much, like, planned obsolescence as they would like. Yeah. So, like, why would we sell you this software when we can rent it to you until the end of time?

Yeah. Yeah, exactly. And so, yeah, without – I'm trying to – I'm almost – I'm sorry. Now I'm looking up images of CoolEdit. I wanted to send you one and make you laugh.

I saw – it does not have – you're right. I was totally thinking of the GoDaddy logo for some reason. CoolEdit looks nothing like that. I just wanted to see the interface.

But, honestly, they got it pretty close early on. Like, things have been kind of updated, but really the functionality was there from the beginning. So anyway, Luke, that isn't how either one of us is expected to start the show.

We never talked about your streaming service.

What do you want to do here?

I want to thank the donors, and then I want to tell you about my streaming service switcheroo. I've seen the light, Andrew. I want to hear about this. Paul on the road to Damascus, I've had a huge change of heart, and I think for the better.

How did you know my friend Paul went to Damascus? Thank you, baby.

All right, let's thank those.

donors this is how tbtl is able to continue leasing our adobe suite it's thanks to these donations um this is how this can be a job for andrew and myself and our colleague john sklaroff uh we are very thankful here on this day before thanksgiving for the donors folks like aaron highland over there in bellevue washington hey aaron thank you thanks aaron still waiting for

That train to take me out to visit you. Still waiting.

That hasn't happened yet?

I don't think. Is that behind schedule or is that the schedule that they have always? It's got to be behind some schedule at some point in the planning process. But unless, I mean.

They've got it running over there, right? But just not connecting you to over there?

I believe what we have, and I could be wrong, is we have the one line here in Seattle. Literally, it's called the one line. I think on the east side, you have the two line. And I think eventually they're going to connect the one and the two lines with an east-west train. I'm guessing they're going to call that the four line, maybe the seven line. I don't really know. But I'm waiting for that connector so that I can go over to the east side and get myself one of those pastrami sandwiches I had about 15 years ago the last time I was on the east side. It wasn't at Tubbs, though, right? It was a different place. No, it was a small little deli, like family-run little. It was so long ago, but it's probably the best pastrami sandwich I've had in the Seattle area.

You know, this is the second pastrami sandwich reference in, I think, two days. Really? Your body might be telling you something. You're dangerously low on pastrami.

Oh, Johnny's Pastrami. Yeah, you were talking about Johnny's. That's right. In Culver City.

Yeah. Thanks also to Kathleen Estes, who's in Olympia, Washington. Second day in a row, we've had an Olympia person, I believe.

Oh, nice. Good memory on you, by the way.

Well, it's because it looms very large in my mind today, Andrew, because I will be driving up to my folks' house for Thanksgiving, and I feel like when I get to Olympia, well, what happens is I go north on I-5, and then I sort of branch off and head west at Olympia, hopefully avoiding the most extreme of the traffic, but it's unclear. I do think that once I'm going past Olympia I will be kind of getting into the clear a little bit, I'll be getting past what is the most terrible of the traffic but anyway, thanks Kathleen, thanks to Hannah Clayton who's in Green Cove Springs, Florida gosh

that'd be a nice place to be right now

that sounds wonderful, I'll be in Florida next week I'm going to be in Miami I don't know how close that is to Green Cove Springs but man, let me tell you Andrew the trip from the west coast to Miami It's a doozy.

Yeah, especially the Pacific Northwest. I mean, if you're coming from up here, like it's I mean, it's almost as far as you can go right diagonally from coast to coast.

I leave Portland at like 716 a.m. and I get into Miami at 348 local time and it's a direct flight. There's no there's no like delays. There's no switching planes. It's just it's that far. So anyway, I'll see you down there, Hannah. pop on by. I'm staying in Brickle. So if you want to grab a cup of coffee, let me know. Heather Douglas is in Austin, Texas. There was a period of time where I felt like I was going to Austin every two months. We were going there for TBTL. Didn't we also go to the conference there together? No. I have only been once, and it was for that RV road trip. I had regular appointments in Austin for a while, and now I've had no appointments in Austin, and I miss the dang place. Thank you, Heather. Thanks, Joey Banks. Is this a special place, Andrew? Columbus, Ohio?

Oh, it most certainly is. It's the heart of it all. Ohio is the heart of it all because the state is somewhat shaped like a heart.

Oh, yeah. I'm not being sarcastic. I never thought of that. That's a good tagline for the state, a good state slogan.

Oh, shoot. You know what? I think you're going to do well here, but there was a pronouncer for our next donor. I love it when people submit a pronouncer in the pronouncer section of the form, but I forgot to include it in what I sent you. Do you need any pronunciation help with our next donor? I'm going to try.

Let's do this. Let's have a fun adventure together. I will try it without the pronouncer, and then you can tell me if I got it. And I already know what you're going to say, so don't go. It's schwang. Don't tell me what jokes I can and cannot say on the show. It's not your birthday until tomorrow, sir. Sean Millinder of Dunkirk, Maryland. How'd we do? You said Millinder.

Yeah. Do you want to know what the pronunciation guide was? I thought this was really smart because it's, you know, I like writing out specifically, like in the kind of the proper, because there was a kind of a broadcast standard of how you write out. pronunciations but another surefire way of doing it is just saying it rhymes with something and that's really that's the most helpful way yeah isn't it it really gets your head around it right and so it says rhymes with cylinder oh i think that's great millinder way helpful

sean millinder shwan millinder shwan millinder in dunkirk maryland not you thank you thank you to all of our donors thank you for making tvtl possible uh we really and truly could not do this without you. Hello and welcome to Top Story. All right, a very quick top top story, which is to say a top story that comes before the actual top story. The top story is about I switched to streaming services and I'm feeling pretty good about it. But the top top story, Andrew, is that I received an email from the folks at Atlas International. Remember, this is the company that was hired by the company that I bought this vanity from. So I bought this vanity online. They hire a company called Atlas that then hires a company called Custom, that is the shipper, who then hires something that I have to call Diamond Dave's Furniture Delivery. and I wasn't here to sign for this thing. And so they took it back to the terminal and I was trying to tell them a sob story, which is actually true, which is nobody told me that I needed to be here to sign for it or I would have been here. So could you bring it back free of charge? Could you please not charge me to bring it back? And as of yesterday, there was an email from this person named Mia at Atlas International that I took to mean they were going to cover the, they'll call it a restocking fee, okay? The re-delivery fee. you were a little bit less convinced.

I just didn't know what their language meant.

Well, that's honestly fair because it's kind of confusing. But I got up this morning, email from Mia. Hello, Luke. Thank you for your patience. We've received confirmation that the re-delivery fee is $72.50. As a courtesy, we will cover this charge, and I've already approved it with the carrier. Okay, that's big. By which I mean.

so that's kind of cool that's good and very clear um before they were like we have to assess a fee i'm wondering if they needed to know what the number was before they could say whether or not

they care like if diamond dave was going to charge them three hundred dollars they were like no but they've decided to eat it on seventy two dollars but wait when is it going to be delivered because you're um unclear but i uh it says uh we've also advised them to contact you as soon as possible to arrange the re-delivery. Now, I think I'm, I don't, I was, I was right once, right? And that my sense yesterday was they were going to eat it on the cost. So I don't want to get cocky, but I have a feeling now that we've moved into a phase where I can just work this out with the delivery people and just work it out to be in a couple of weeks. And my hope is that nobody will bring up the question of storage at the terminal.

That was my next question, because you said that that could start to raise the cost.

I'm allowed to, there's a certain number of reschedules that you can do, or I think you can do one reschedule, but I have this weird feeling that because we went through this whole thing, maybe they're not tracking it in that manner. I don't know. I'll find out when Diamond Dave's people reach out, but at least we've saved $72.50 on the whole deal.

One thing, and you might need to spend that again if you were to take this listener's advice, but somebody texted me last night and said, why don't you just rent yourself a truck? why don't you just go because it's pretty affordable go to u-haul or something and that way it's just totally in your control and you don't have to dance this dance if that's in the

back of my mind if it comes to it right so like if they would have said the re-delivery fee is 200 and also it has to be next tuesday when you're out of town and also there's going to be a storage fee because you can't accept delivery on tuesday by the way there was a moment a couple days ago when I was talking to the very nice guy at the place called Custom, which is, again, one of the layers of this, where he said, I heard it in his voice. He paused because he didn't want to be presumptuous and he didn't want to make me feel bad, but he goes, well, is there anybody else there who could sign for it? In other words, sir, are you a weird podcaster who lives alone? Sir, are you lonely? Sir, are you up there by yourself most of the time living a life of detachment from reality? And I had to say to him, yes. Well, I kind of lied, Andrew, if I'm being totally honest. I said...

I have a lot of plants.

No, I said, well, I kind of split my time between that place and Portland, which is not true. I do stay in Portland at Becca's house sometimes. Splitting my time would be a gross exaggeration.

But you just wanted to make it seem like you had a... I wanted to make it seem like this was just a house that I know less about the money and more about the like.

Oh, I didn't mean rich in that way. I mean, a rich textured life, a big life.

Yeah, that's the part I was lying about.

Yeah, right.

I wanted to see like I had friends and people who loved me and was surrounded by folks, not just living living out here. He had an old funky house that me and my dad have been fixing up. Okay, an old funky house that he's fixed up where he spends most of his time yelling at his television because he can't get his MS Now anymore. Right, right, right. Which brings us to the streaming problem. So when MSNBC switched over to MS Now, it was, I guess, probably the Friday after that had happened. It was a big news day. And for me, it's like a big news day is something not great for Donald Trump has happened. And I really like gleefully would like to watch our friend television's Chris Hayes kind of dissect it It's I mean this is really bad by the way but it's so like sports for me It's so much like sports if my team wins or if something good happens for my team I like to listen to coverage of it I like to turn on ESPN the whole thing And so it was one of those days where something had happened that I literally had the thought like Ooh that'll be nice I'm gonna make dinner I'm gonna watch Chris's show and uh so time comes around i fire up my fubo which i've been you know kind of the number one unpaid spokesperson for i think and uh i get like a big like block of text that says channel not available we are like working on this or something and i was like what it would let me watch an eight minute preview of ms now in real time so i was able to get to the channel but it had a countdown going eight and it was as chris was going to commercial so i wasted like three minutes of my eight minutes on like a you know catheter ad or something i know that that's the

way their website used to work it's been a long time but i remember sometimes i was like well maybe it would be a big news event so i'd literally just go to you know msnbc.com or whatever their main page is and it's the same thing you get 10 minutes of con i think this was 10 maybe but then after that it times out and then I don't know maybe if I refreshed my cookies or something but anyway so now they're doing that to you it's almost like my satellite radio in my car right like it's kind of like saying you don't have this channel right now

well the thing that was making me so crazy was I kept going online and like going how to stream MS now and then it kept telling me Fubo was one of them because this was so I mean I was literally like on the bleeding edge of realizing this i was maybe one of the first people in america who has fubo and was like specifically excited to watch ms now like right after the changeover and so i kept being like mad at the internet because it kept telling me that was on fubo and i was like i promise you it's not on fubo like i'm looking at it right now and sadly andrew don't praise the machines but it was ai ai was the first thing that was able to tell me oh yeah it's not on fubo because fubo and nbc universal have parted ways which i also found interesting because isn't the whole thing with ms now that they're not

part of the whole like nbc world anymore yeah i'm too confused about the partnership you'd think that

that would not even be like affect them but they still do somehow i guess so i was tempted to ask our friend chris hayes about it but i thought i don't really first of all he's going on the air in five minutes and also he's not in charge of the ms now streaming relationships with the various

streamers also ask him if he can help me with my bluetooth device if it doesn't work with hetfield okay hayes is the backup no but i just feel there's a similarity there right it's kind of like

hey chris can you help me stream your show you're on ms now could you please tell me how to fix i mean people ask us now again we're not chris hayes and we're not james hetfield but People do ask us sometimes for advice that's on that level, don't you think?

Yeah, yeah. Sometimes I'm just kind of like, I think you can Google this one. How do I download the show? Right. But anyway, yeah, so good on you for not asking Chris how to – so you've learned that the partnership is just over, and so people who, like, maybe – because MSNBC, what was MSNBC, was a very big driving factor in you signing off on the Fubo thing, and this is the problem.

It was a third. It was the third leg of the stool of content. Right. One leg being the Mariners. the other being the Seahawks and then Chris Hayes.

And then, and, and whatever, I want to hear your story, but it's just, it's like that rant of just like, these companies make it seem like we have everything at our fingertips now, right? Like, oh, the streaming services, you can watch anything at any time, but no, because it's going to disappear. It's going to move, like 30 Rock is going to, just one day you're going to wake up and all of 30 Rock's going to be gone off of Hulu and it's going to be on maybe Netflix and you don't pay for Netflix. And like, there's just literally no stability.

and no like we just can't i i really have been thinking more and more about getting back into like physical media with like buying dvds or blue or blu-rays every kind of blue technology is coming up today the thing is i don't have a player for that kind of stuff but i'm getting so irritated by the impermanence and being jerked around well the funny part was i was

literally i just was like how is it taking me this long to actually figure out how to get ms now on my television because like that night i just gave up and then i like returned to it the other day and one of the things it was saying was okay well you can go to the ms now website and then you can enter your cable provider like it was like it's 2012 like i'm putting comcast in and then it's gonna like let me because i have a cable provider which i don't have anymore that is still a common

thing for like hbo like if you have kbo if you have hbo as part of your cable package it's not unusual for the app to say log in using your comcast like it just for some reason felt kind

of weirdly throwback to me and i don't know why maybe because since i cut the cable i just think that's old luke who used to have xfinity and now i'm but so i was like well look if fubo is not going to provide me by the way they'd also done that thing where they had slowly turned the water up on the frog that is my checking account uh-huh because i i whatever it was i had gotten in on you know bought in on fubo was like i think it was 90 bucks or 80 bucks or something

i looked at it's going it was charging me 117 uh-huh like some sort of deal stopped some deal

had expired or whatnot and so i was like i had heard really good things about youtube tv from people in fact when i was doing the fubo thing initially a lot of people had said we'll go on youtube tv and i will admit because i'm old and because of the way that i perceive youtube i perceive youtube first of all youtube youtube tv and youtube are different that's something i hadn't really thought of i think of youtube as how could you make that dumb mistake luke like they're separate apps which i guess is pretty obvious but also obviously is not because

it's like i'm not making fun of you they're both called youtube one is called you when everybody

was telling right what everybody was telling me about oh you got to get youtube tv i just pictured myself going on youtube.com and having to next through a bunch of like colon blow ads before i could watch my content and then having my content interrupted by weird zerg netty ads again like i know that i hear all the time like oh you know like 70 of the music in the world is streamed through youtube and stuff i hear you know and the people of a certain generation that's where they get all of their news that's how they get all their podcasts it's all through youtube and just because that's not how i experience my digital world like i will see something on youtube you know if if i'm googling for something and it pops up on youtube i'll watch it on youtube but it is not like a an entertainment hub for me in that way if that makes sense because of my experience with just the the normal website youtube which again i find to have a lot of ads and you know just whatever but i'd heard good things about youtube tv so i looked it up and also of course they're offering a promotion you know so it's like 70 bucks a month or something And I, I looked at in their cloud of content of all the different logos of the things they offered. And what I noted was they had one for MS now. In other words, they weren't calling it MSNBC. It isn't like, cause I think that was part of the problem. Fubo might've even, if you looked up Fubo in certain places, they might've still told you they have MSNBC because they just hadn't updated stuff. But I was like, okay, YouTube TV has gone to the trouble of, of actually updating this logo. so that's a good sign and they have all the football stuff i want they don't i don't think they have baseball i'm probably gonna have to buy the mariner or the mlb app or whatever we're so

screwed on that yeah i i already buy the mlb app but the mlb app blacks out local games so now i'm gonna have to pay i believe an extension on my mlb app to watch my own team that's just crazy

that's gonna make me so mad but when when that comes back around because so i basically was like look Fubo you you you're overcharging me and you you took out like and now the other thing was these kinds of fights they uh I was later texting with our friend Chris Hayes about after I'd already switched over and um and I was like yeah I guess that the the Fubo's not doing NBC University goes yeah like uh he goes YouTube TV kicked off all the Disney stuff for like a week and then they then they beef squashed and now they're back so i did think this fubo versus nbc universal could could be like they could solve it like tomorrow that's the other thing and then i would have switched maybe for no reason but anyway the youtube tv was cheaper i switched over i canceled my fubo account which was weirdly empowering i didn't even have a bad relationship with them but you

Thank you.

just feel so at their mercy for some reason that when you're like no i reject you yeah it's very

empowering especially when you're kind of like hey listen when you i mean it is empowering when you say you're not going to get my money anymore because and you're telling them like they must be i'm hoping they're losing a lot of subscribers over this so that they're they're getting the message it's just so insulting to when these huge companies fight with each other these huge rich just billion dollar companies fight with each other while and we're just left we're like well will you stop fighting so we can watch the content we're paying for right so i they didn't have a box

to say i actually they probably didn't i ignored it if i could have said um i'm doing this because you got rid of ms now or you're not you know showing me ms now one thing that was also awesome was my billing cycle is up december 1st oh so they're like you still have fubo until december first but i was like really glad that i didn't hadn't just paid for it um and so and and you know for all the complaining i do about digital life in 2025 i have to say it was super easy like i downloaded the the youtube tv thing i signed up for it on my laptop i scanned the qr code and it's a pretty cool service like first of all it has unlimited like because it's in the cloud and whatever it's like it just it just gave me when i signed in the first time it just gave me like hundreds of tiles of shows and teams and things that i was interested in or like if you know asking me if i was interested so i'm like i'm clicking on a picture of chris i'm clicking on a seahawk logo i'm clicking on like jeopardy i'm clicking on all these things and i think what i'm doing is training the the youtube tv to know what kind of content i like i was creating recordings for all of this so it has a live function just like you would have with normal cable tv where you can just scroll through all the live channels and it's got every live channel i had on fubo if not more and also all of those things that i clicked on are all just now being recorded forever and ever amen in the cloud somewhere so um and i watched msnl last night and it was great fubo did not have that there did it it did it did but it wasn't quite as um easy and intuitive fuba also had unlimited recording i think that's fairly standard with these certain services because again i don't know where they're keeping that shit some server farm in iceland or something but for some reason you're allowed to record the mind reels thinking it thinking about how much stuff is being recorded but maybe that's not actually how it works maybe it's not really recorded maybe i'm just going and accessing it from somewhere when it's time for i don't i don't know yeah in other

In other words, if you and I both quote-unquote record Chris's show, are we both just accessing the same file? As opposed to back in the day, it was an actual DVR recording where a local commercial would air and you have captured that, right? Like some Seattle-specific thing. Whereas if I were watching it and capturing it in Boston, it would be different commercials. Whereas now, even the commercials are dynamic, right? You're not actually recording anything. You're just accessing content, and then those commercials are updating.

So I'm a YouTube TV man now, Andrew, like my father and his father before him. And right now it's charging me $70 a month. Allegedly, the max it goes up to is $80 a month. And now, again, when baseball season rolls around, I'm going to have to figure that whole situation out, which I'm assuming will add a minimum of $20 to it, which will probably bring me back to more than that.

So I believe I now I get it as a perk through T-Mobile, but I'm pretty sure the going rate for MLB TV just for like everything but your local team is twenty five dollars a month now. But it's going to be more than that, I think, if to watch your local teams. You think like what was the Mariners one last with the root sports or whatever they called it? That was I was paying 20 bucks a month for that. Nineteen ninety nine.

But you think it's going to go that you you assume it's going to go.

I could be wrong. You know, the irony is, is a friend sent me a Washington Post article that explains what's going to happen, but I couldn't get into it because I canceled my Washington Post because of Bezos messing around with the editorial room.

Yeah. I have to give the Washington Post credit. That firewall is fierce. I also stopped, which we've talked about this. Really, what we should all be doing is what you and Vives did, which is we should be probably canceling our Amazon. That's a better way to get at Bezos than punishing the hardworking journalists of the Washington Post. And yet I did take it as a chance to stop paying my Washington Post.

Yeah. And it's not about the journalists. It's about it. It's about the you know, well, whatever. We don't have to get into it. It was always concerning when he took it over. But then when he literally said, OK, after the election, new editorial policy, the editorial board is no longer going to accept like op eds from all different perspectives. We are now a free market newspaper, editorially speaking, you know, again, not not.

Not the journalism, but it's kind of like, well, I don't do that for the Wall Street Journal either. He made a decision that it was going to be a different kind of editorial outlook, and we don't support that.

Yeah, like I said, I'm friends with a few Washington Post journalists, and I just think of the people there. They're doing fine. It's actually one of the few major newspapers in America that financially seems to have their stuff in order. be able to survive not having my subscription but um anyway so i will keep you posted uh i'm sure uh down to the granular level that no one cares about about how my youtube tv thing is going but

um so far so good well while we're on tv can we ease into the conversational or are we running

out of time to talk a little bit i was wondering if we might do this and you want to talk about the forward pro of a lifetime andrew uh remember when seinfeld used to talk about the honk around Do you know the honk around? I don't know, remind me It's actually a pretty funny bit The idea was like you would have There would be a horn in your car That would tell the car in front of you Immediately in front of you You're not honking at them You're honking at the car in front of them

I don't know if I know about this But yeah, that's smart

So this could be the honk around of promos Tomorrow is Thanksgiving And full disclosure We're going to be on tape for Thanksgiving But we have a brand new episode And we're going to be talking about that Joan Didion article in the New York Times about her sort of Thanksgiving traditions and stuff like that.

And I am going to, by the way, post that very early so that you can listen to it while you do your Thanksgiving prep. And also note on that, we won't be doing Blur's Days on Thanksgiving. We'll be honking those around to Friday as well.

So can I forward probe? It seems like a Friday kind of talking about Pluribus and the chair company. It just feels right to me for the Friday episode. So can we honk around to Friday with this topic?

Yeah, and that also gives listeners an extra, if you're behind on one of these shows, Friday will be a full week since the last episode of Pluribus dropped and almost a full week since the chair company. Because I want to talk about those things, and I think we need to just sort of be free to talk about them in a spoiler-filled way. Would you agree with that?

Yes. First of all, I'm pretty bad at talking about them and not spoiling, so that would give me some latitude.

Yeah, and that way we can just warn everybody, and I think it'll be an entertaining conversation, even if you're not following those shows.

Okay, excellent. So that will be on Friday, but tomorrow is Thanksgiving, and we will have a Thanksgiving-themed show for you that I think is honestly pretty good. I was there when we recorded it, and I think it was pretty good.

Sort of. I mean...

I was as present as I'm capable of being at any moment, Andrew. Alright, thanks for listening, everybody. That is going to do it for today's episode. But as mentioned, we'll be back here tomorrow with more Imaginary Radio for you. In the meantime, have a great Wednesday. Everybody, get where you're going safely. Or if you're home, getting ready for people. Be safe. We've heard how dangerous can be in the kitchen when Andrew electrocuted himself. It was a Thanksgiving Eve, much like this one.

That's right. seven years ago. 99% of accidents happen in the home, so get out. Get out.

99% of cooking accidents happen within one mile of home. All right, thanks, everybody. We'll see you tomorrow. In the meantime, please remember, no mountain too tall. And good luck to all. Power out.