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We'll just get one that has everything. Okay, well then you want the Simply Everything plan. Okay. There's also Simply Everything plus.

Which is what?

Simply Everything plus texting.

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Well, all right. Hello. Good morning and welcome everyone to a Tuesday edition of TBTL, the show that just might be too beautiful to live. Are you sure? That's what they said on Ask Jeeves. My name is Luke Burbank. I'm your host. I might have tacos when I go home. I'm not quite sure yet. Coming to you from the Madrona Hill studio perched high above the mighty Columbia, where it has been incredibly rainy and windy and stormy and atmospheric river-y the last 24 hours, and it's going to continue, we're told.

Oh, my God!

I was looking at a weather map in the paper this morning, and it was showing the different areas of the state and what the probability was that they might receive up to five inches of rainfall. And the part of the state I'm here in, here in southern Washington, literally the town closest to me, 91%. So 91% chance that we are going to get drenched around here. But, you know. Didn't know you like to get wet, though. We'll figure it out one way or the other. We're battening down the hatches and bringing you episode 4615 in a collector series. Let the fun begin. I'm realizing now, as I'm introducing today's program, that while I was introducing yesterday's program, I started with quite the mystery involving my pizza oven and how I thought maybe I was being burgled. They came to burgle Luke's pizza oven. And then I never actually told that story. I'm making a note to myself. pizza oven story. I'm going to be honest with you. It's not much of a story, okay? But I feel the obligation to at least close the loop since I opened the loop yesterday and then there was no further comment on it because we started talking about the Howard Stern Show. We're going to have a very disciplined, very focused program here at episode 4615 in a collector's series we may also talk about the decline the possible decline of movies as we know them so who needs a movie or movies as we've many times seen them that is to say in the theater it's

because there's a deal on the table between netflix and warner brothers and some people are

Big mad about it, including, I guess, technically, my bosses at Paramount Skydance. We're trying to hostilely take it over. Anyway, we'll probably talk about that, but we'll definitely talk to this guy. Longest running co-bro of the show, maybe best known for his depictions of the tall ships. He's a really charismatic guy. He's funny. He cusses a lot. He's Andrew Walsh, and he is joining me right now. Good morning, my friend. Good morning, Luke. I was just letting my neighbors know about our fast internet here at our house.

we live, got some emails from neighbors who are no longer interested in being in the Xfinity business, which is interesting because a big part of yesterday's show was about you re-engaging. Locking in. No, you didn't lock in, Luke. It was not a contract that you signed.

I signed the everything plus claim?

Yes, exactly. What is that? I love that tape so much.

It's everything plus texting.

And I love that tape from Portlandia, of course. I don't know if I need to say of course there. is old enough that they refer to it as web i know i heard that too and it jumped out at me because

it's that would have been a time when it was not uh as as much a given that every single phone is also your portal through which to surf the web obviously it was out there but i just don't think

it was well certainly wasn't like it is now yeah and i just don't think we would say web we would say internet we would say um you know oh it has you know it has uh you would say you would talk about cell data you would talk about you know wi-fi or whatever but you would not say oh and

it has this phone has web yeah um can i just uh quickly andrew tell you the story of the mysterious pizza oven encyclopedia brown and the mysterious pizza oven um which is uh when i came home from a trip recently so i have this deck that we built on my house and um out there on the deck there's a a metal kind of like picnic table i guess you could call it it's an outdoor table which is actually uh screwed down to the deck because the wind gets real whipping out there uh high above the mighty columbia and then there are also four chairs the chairs are very heavy so they don't move and then i have a barbecue that's out there on this the river side of the deck and the barbecue is of course right now it's all covered up because it's so rainy and wintry and gross. And then around the corner, so not out in the primary kind of windswept area, but around the corner of my house, a little closer to where I'm now sitting, I have a huge wood box that's also covered that has like deck chairs, like foldable chairs and things in it or whatever. And then next to that, up against the side of my house, very protected from the wind, is this Ooni pizza oven I have that is on a special rack that I bought from the Uni Pizza Company. And it's on casters, it's on rolling wheels, and those wheels have locks on them. And when I came home from some trip recently, I looked out on my deck, and the pizza oven, which is very heavy, by the way, it's got a big, you know, heavy stone kind of base to it for what the pizza actually cooks on, had moved from the side of my house all the way out around the big wooden box that's next to it, which was unmoved out to the windswept part of the deck past the barbecue that was unmoved and was just leaning against the, it was up against the picnic table. And this is with the wheels locked. So you could see where it had been dragged along the deck. There was a little kind of scuff mark and it was so confusing. and i checked my security camera for the deck which uh which i don't know it does this weird thing sometimes it's it's supposed to be motion activated like it's supposed to if there's something moving it's supposed to start recording video but then a lot of times it just is like a series of photographs over 24 hours so it's just like still images and i'm watching the security footage of this particular day in question and it's just like deck deck deck you know no pizza deck deck the light is changing the the the sun is moving through the background the moon is coming up it's dark now it's getting light again deck like that shot in pluribus did you see that shot

in pluribus where she falls asleep and they show a whole day pass and the lightning that's exactly what you're talking about i just sorry to interrupt i just happened to watch that scene last night and what you just described is exactly that you know that time lapse where it's really fast and you sort of see it's a very beautiful shot of course but you just see the sun change throughout the lobby of this hospital so i can picture exactly what you're talking about uh in the

midst of all of this it's just like yeah it's just like light changing data deck deck deck then all of a sudden pizza oven it just shows up because it's a still photo so it's like i was like what a what a weird crime though like i was like there's no way the wind could do this because i mean there's so much other stuff for instance i'm sorry this is not interesting because i'm describing something that's visual and this is an audio medium at least for us i feel like we're the last we're one of the last holdouts where we think of podcasting as audio like it's probably not doing us any good but um next to this very heavy pizza oven that had was on wheels that are locked in place there are two flimsy like folding chairs like outdoor kind of like you know you'd bring out to an outdoor concert or something and those were unmoved those things weigh like nothing And of all of the. on the deck the only thing that was moved was this very heavy thing that was almost plucked out sorry we've also got uh i think a herd of geese flying over us here at the

i saw a million of those guys the other day i just so you know with this story i had a theory that i was going to throw out as a joke at the beginning of this and the more you talk the more i'm wondering if my joke theory might be right but i will i will save my questions and comments

for the end so i'm i'm looking at it on the security camera i can actually send you this video i don't know if this would be interesting to you or not andrew but this is the this is the surveillance state we now live in is that i can actually find these things and uh i sent it to becca so i'm trying to locate it in my text chain but anyway it was quite the mystery because i thought what an odd like nothing was missing from my house there was no indication that anybody was was trying to mess with me or break in to my place but on the other hand it just seemed like it was absolutely impossible that this could have happened on its own because everything around it was undisturbed and then and I was telling my dad about it because he was over and he goes oh it was the wind I was like Walt there's no way it was the wind by the way my dad said something this morning that just made me want to go over and give him a hug and kiss him on the top of his head he said he was thinking about buying some of those orange whistles that people are buying to blow if they see ice agents oh yeah people yeah i was like walt you're a good egg dude nice i love that my 72 year old dad is about to get his ice whistle yeah yeah to make some good trouble yeah but um

well you know i was gonna you said you talked to your dad so that blows my theory i was like didn't weren't your parents staying at your place when you were gone i did say they move everything by But I was like, there's no way your dad, not to speak for both your parents, but certainly your dad, as you describe him, there's no way he's a man who's moving that thing without unlocking the wheels first. He's not dragging that. That's why I was like, there's no way my theory is right, because he's not dragging that thing across the deck without unlocking those wheels. And certainly if it left us, did you say it left a bit of a gouge, a bit of a mark?

Not a gouge, more like a scratch, not even a scratch, a scuff.

Something that'll go away with weather.

I think so. I think that the, I think the torrential rain has more than power washed the deck over the last couple of days. But yeah, that, you know, it could have been maybe a possibility that my mom got a wild hair or something.

Like set it up right between two chairs to make a pizza. I could see that scene.

It's definitely Oh my gosh My mom is such a character They were here, my dad's still here But my mom was here for a day or two And there's this magazine, The Sun, that I've been talking about so much I'm just in love with this It's not a literary magazine Because they also have reporting in there But it's just this great independent magazine Out of Chapel Hill, North Carolina That I have been getting And just really enjoying And my mom is kind of into it too I think my sister Liz might have gotten her a subscription Or maybe she borrowed one from my sister Liz So one of the things my mom Is always talking about writing And trying to get Into writing and the Sun Magazine has this great Little thing where they do a prompt for the Readers to write in like a really short Little essay on like we're talking A paragraph long essay And they give you the prompt for the next edition And the deadline and you send in By the way the prompt that I missed for December 1st Was milk i'm like i've been writing that story my whole adult life i've been dining out on frozen milk in a in a in a waiting pool forever maybe january will be coloring contest now that's a pretty good spoof um but i was telling my mom um hey mom because my mom's always talking about getting into writing i said maybe this would be a great exercise for you is to do one of these prompts for the sun for sun magazine and she said oh yeah and i said well let me grab my latest issue uh we'll see what the prompt is and she goes and i go oh i can't find the magazine she goes oh yeah i was borrowing it my magazine mom i go yeah well where is it she goes oh it's in my car huh i said i think that's theft i'm pretty sure we describe that as theft you you stole my magazine well it's interesting because i think like if you were talking about

a reader's digest or i mean first of all we're not living in the era of of big magazine that you and i grew up in but i mean magazine the idea of a magazine being something you could even steal it feels like it comes from the fact that magazines are more scarce these days and a magazine like this which even if it's got reporting i still think you'd probably describe it as a literary magazine i would describe i think i don't know i would describe harper's

that way and harper's okay if you describe harper's as a literary magazine then i would

call this a little for these purposes i'm not gonna die on that hill but i understand what you're saying it's a little bit special i think i told you i bought a harper's magazine feeling nostalgic the other day bought one at a bulldog news that place still smells like magazines and coffee

It's so great on a winter day. You come in from the rain. You go in there on the Ave. Anyway, $10 for a Harper's Magazine. And again, I'm glad to support what they're doing. You can also get a subscription for one year for $15. So I can never figure out exactly how that math's out. But either way, my point being that like growing up in an era where you just-

We're not seen as strong on the economy as liberals.

You walk into any kind of waiting area and there's like just stacks and stacks of National Geographics and times and peoples and highlights and whatever, I'll just grab this and I'll take it to my car, as opposed to this magazine in 2025, which probably costs, I don't know, with a subscription, probably not $10, but maybe $10 on a newsstand and it's lovingly crafted by folks. I understand maybe, do you think there's a disconnect between how you two think about magazines?

Well, a couple things. in my mom's defense she what she had done was taken it so while i was in like florida and a bunch of places last week my parents had arrived at my house stayed over left my dad's truck went to the uh oregon coast to the timeshare and then come back so my mom had harvested a number of my magazines to take to the beach yeah and that makes sense which is which is fair and i wasn't going to be home so I when I say when I say you know theft it was I believe her intention was to bring it back but it is just funny that my mom has this amazing ability to like grab the one thing in my entire house that I actually was thinking oh I will I'm gonna use that you know what I mean there's a hundred things my mom could have removed that would have had no I would have never even noticed and this was the one thing was like oh let me get that magazine that I really like oh I've got that it's in the car oh okay like one time she um and the car by the way was back at her place or no the car was here oh so again she was bringing i i want to i want to i want to be careful i don't want to besmirch my mom's good name i will besmirch her on this one though which is my sister's husband josh um they i think my mom was house sitting for them and she this is this is an amazing move this is like uh this is an all-timer she she's house sitting for them and she wants to sit outside but it's sunny so she grabs my brother-in-law's sunglasses Josh's sunglasses I think some nice sunglasses he was pretty excited about And she puts them on because she's outside And there's glare But then she puts them into the pocket of her jacket That she's wearing And then forgets she has them And therefore leaves the state with his sunglasses That Josh gets over and goes I'm looking around for my nice sunglasses That I'm all excited about They've been disappeared That was not what was happening here I think that the Sun magazine was going to make its way back

Can I ask you a question And did she already fold in the back cover of the Sun magazine to see what picture was made? Because that's always a bummer, right? When somebody already folds it and you get to fold it in yourself.

Yeah, but this one is a photograph of ICE agents. But did you fold it in and then what does it become? What's the Mad Magazine? I mean, to be honest with you, I bet you Mad Magazine is... The Statue of Liberty? Oh, I bet you. You know what? The Mad Magazine guys, I think we're on the right side of history and politics. I bet you anything. I bet you that, first of all, I think Mad Magazine is technically still being generated and I bet you that they have done something about this Homeland Security situation, this ICE thing but okay, so then we're still on the mystery of the pizza oven and my dad is saying, look, it just was the wind and I was like, dad, it cannot be the wind it makes no sense, and then this morning I came out or actually yesterday morning I came out and the pizza oven had blown not around the corner again, but it had moved like Six feet away from the side of the house And nothing else had moved

So did it move back closer to where it

Lives? I returned it to its home

Oh I see, okay

I returned it to its home Post haste, because you know I'm a very organized guy Around here, I don't like things Out of order, so I moved it back to where It went and I locked it back down And um But then the wind did me a favor yesterday morning It solved the mystery for me by once again Trying to move the pizza oven it didn't make it as far as it did the first time but it was an indication to me that yes in fact it was the wind because again it was doing, it was like in stage two of what it had done previously when it had an entire week to work on it and I was appreciative because otherwise I was a little unsettled, I did think there was a possibility someone came to my house and weirdly moved this and then just went on their way

so I want to talk about the wind here and if I talk about the wind i have to admit something to you that's maybe going to hurt your feelings a little bit you zoned out during part of that story no no no no i was with you i'm sorry that i missed that you you had moved it back but i i was i was i will talk about the wind a donovan song the wind talkers i believe sure weren't they were wind talkers code breakers or i think that they

They were. I think they were.

They were Native American language specialists who were called wind talkers, and I think they used them for also doing – I don't know if it was code-breaking or code-making for the U.S. military.

That's right, because it was turned into a movie with Nicolas Cage.

Not to be – yes, classic Native American hero Nicolas Cage.

Yeah, right. I'm looking at this here. And Mark Ruffalo. No, this is a – Okay, back to hurting my feelings. No, back to hurting your – oh, yes, the best part of the show. No, I actually do feel kind of, I feel weird about this. I don't know how you'll feel, but I, on Friday, you had your show here in Seattle for Live Way, your radio show. And I knew it was down at Benaroya Hall. And I think some friends, some mutual friends and stuff showed up for that and had a good time. And I remember, I think off air, you even said, hey, I'm letting everybody know about this. I know you're probably not interested. I'm like, yeah, I'm going to help Genevieve set up some tables or something for this fair. she's doing, this craft fair she was doing on Saturday. Well, on Friday, things kind of change a little bit. I ended up not going to the Eagles with Genevieve to set up the chairs, and I was just in this really weird mood that I've been in lately, because I'm reading this book.

Oh, I see, I see, I see how this was going to, potentially hurt my feelings was that you were available to come to Livewire, but you chose to do something. Well, not only that. You decided to host a different public radio variety show. Yeah, right, exactly. In direct competition to what I was doing.

I was on a zombie version of Says Who. says you no wait says you damn i messed that up i could never remember if one was called says you

and one was called like what what do you what do you know oh what do you know with michael feldman

out of the midwest yeah what do you know not much you says you that was based here wasn't it wasn't somebody who worked for kow hosting that or maybe that was sandy bradley's potluck wait you know

there was a show called sandy bradley's potluck back in the day i think you've told me about that

But Says You is that grammar-based humor panel show that I remember you were even invited on once and you couldn't do it. And I'm a huge – I was a huge fan of that show when it was in production. But when I say huge fan, I actually – I probably couldn't – there are people who are bigger fans. But whenever I'd catch it on the radio, I'd be like, oh, I love that this exists. I love that they're still making it. Unfortunately, they're not making it anymore. It's such a niche thing. But I do remember one time they asked you on. You're like, no, but you should have my buddy Andrew on. And then I heard crickets. They actually literally called me up and held crickets up to the phone. That seemed unnecessary. But that's why I thought there was some Seattle connection to Says You, because I think there was a host at KUOW who also filled in on that show or something.

Yes, Greg Porter, who was a weekend guy, who also, by the way, did stuff on Sandy Bradley's podcast.

See, I knew there was some sort of connection between all of those. All of that is to say— What did you end up doing on Friday night? What I ended up doing on Friday was basically nothing. I just have been—so I've been reading this book. I think I told you I was reading Inherent Vice, and it's—oh, God, Luke, it's so good. It's like so funny. I'm loving it. Inheritize. Yeah. And so I I've been looking for good places to sit and read my book. And, you know, me, I'm no stranger to like dive bars and I have plenty of dive bars to choose from around here. But lately it's just maybe because it's been chilly outside. And I do think that I my trip to Cleveland sort of broke me in a way where one night I was going to meet a couple of friends for dinner. Just like this pizza and pasta place. But I got there about a half hour early, and I'd never been to this place before. It's somewhere in the west side suburbs of Cleveland, near west side, I would say, as if you care. and I go in and it's like this really cozy restaurant that's sort of in kind of in two parts sort of and what brings the two parts together is this bar area that is just like a very, I can't explain it. It's just a classic cozy bar. It's not particularly small. It's not particularly big. It's not fancy, but it's not a dive bar at all. It's nice and it's just super cozy, but it's also not like going to like a nice restaurant or something, some sort of upscaled restaurant. And I sat there for about a half hour waiting for my friends reading whatever book I was reading at that point, and I loved it so much. And it's one of those things, I've come back to Seattle, and I'm like, I can't scratch this itch in Seattle. And I know my Seattle restaurants, and I feel like what you have here, and I'm sure I'm just missing it, but you have places that used to be maybe like a place like that, like the, what's the place that's, oh, I'm blanking on it, The steakhouse kind of not far from Wedgwood, the Wedgwood Broiler. Oh, the Wedgwood Broiler. That's sort of like, I like that, but it's definitely past its prime at this point. And, you know, I don't even sure if it's fully open.

Well, you have to not, I mean, listen, the whole problem with the Wedgwood Broiler is the last time we went there, I don't know who was in charge of the seating, but it was a debacle.

Well, we were in the back room with bad lighting and everything.

Only an Xfinity store rivaled the lighting of that room we were in. where the whole point of the Wedgwood broiler is that bar kind of dining area which has the bar in the center of it it's just such a throwback it's so beautiful and we were in the annex

We were in, like, a manufactured home that was next to the restaurant.

Yeah, and the service. They forgot we were back there. That was rough. But I've been in there several times. And, again, I like it. I'm not trying to speak ill of it. But it's just not – I can't explain it that, like, all the places I go are either a little bit divey or it's like, oh, you're going to go some upscale kind of trendy place, which those places can be nice. But they tend to be more angular and super high ceilings. And, like, I've just been struggling to find a place. Concrete floors. Yeah, which I like that as well, but I'm looking for, again, Genevieve's like, you're obsessed with coziness, and I am.

Can I ask a quick clarification question? I don't know why this will help me. Do you remember what food you ordered at the restaurant in Cleveland that you're trying to reproduce? I wonder if that would help me picture it.

Well, oh, yeah, so it's just a family restaurant. It's nothing necessarily to write home about, but it's like an Italian family restaurant. I had chicken parmesan when we sat down. I think it's like thinking of pizza, you know, pasta, salads.

You said it was a pizza and pasta place.

Yeah, maybe I mentioned that. I could, it's called, I'm looking, I think it's called The Woods. Let me see here. The Woods Restaurant. In business since 1983, The Woods is a cozy neighborhood family. Cozy. That's what I keep saying, cozy. Family-run restaurant offering a beautiful all-wood paneled interior, outdoor patio, full-service catering, et cetera. Let's see here. Italian meals from appetizers to entrees. Steak, fish, sandwiches, pizza, pasta, vegetarian items. Do you like vegetarian items, Luke? I do. Some of my favorite items. If you're Googling it, you can just see that it's just a family restaurant. There's nothing specific to call it out other than I just happen to have this one experience where I'm waiting for folks to get some food. The bar is mostly empty. There's some regular down the line. But again, it's not a dive bar, but it's not a fancy place. It's just a place. And it was exactly the mood. And I was just like, it was a Sunday night, I want to say, because, yeah, the Browns had just lost. It was – oh, the first snow of the season was, like, just about to hit as I, like, walked in the door here. So it just, like – it was just a lot of things happening to make it feel like the perfect little half hour of me sitting and having some sort of an IPA while I read my book at the time, you know? And so I've been in Seattle just trying to match that. And so I – so when I know the places that I go, then there's always draftiness in a lot of places. Or if I go to a place that is a little bit nicer, like I say, it's just not – cozy isn't something that Seattle does all that well. Or there's a place like the Cozy Nut in, let's see, Greenwood, which I feel like is leaning kind of too much into like almost cosplaying cozy, cosplaying, if that makes sense. So anyway, I'm not looking for – I'm just looking for a place. And on Friday night, Genevieve's going to the Eagles. I'm now not going with her. I'm, like, laying on the couch kind of, like, reading my book but feeling, like, sort of antsy. All of this has to do with wind, right? I decide, you know what I'm going to do? I'm going to go to 13 Coins. Remember our old place, 13 Coins? And that would be, you know, it's not as much of a family restaurant, but it's a place where you could sit at a bar. It's going to be, you know, you're going to be well attended to. You can fight a guy. What's that? Yeah, you can. As I once did. Oh, you can fight a guy. I'm sorry, I thought you were making a reference to the chair company for a second. But anyway, so I'm like, I'll go down to 13 Coins, but then I look and it's like on the E line. And I'm like, all I want to do is sit, have a couple of beers, and then probably get some food at some point. But I want to sit at a bar, you know? And so I'm going to go down to 13 Coins. It's about an hour-long bus ride, a little bit less than that, 50 minutes. But I'm like, do I really want to do that just so I can read my book on my phone? Seems like a bit of a haul. And then I'm like, oh, well, what about Vons? that's kind of a similar place in between me and 13 coins how about i just get on the e-line and go there and that's a restaurant that's been in seattle for a really really long time but

moved recently and i'm like oh yeah we go there with televisions chris hayes once i was inside i'm like oh yeah we were here with chris but i remembered vons from its original location too and so anyway i get off the bus and at and first of all this is what where the wind kicks in if you will is it was the strongest wind i've ever been in in my life it was like i was in one of those wind tunnel machines at a science fair and what are you we were dealing with the same wind tunnel no that's why i feel that's why i set this up to say i feel so bad it wasn't until i'm getting off the bus and i'm walking to vons and passing benaroya hall and i'm like oh my god Like I've like, he's in the, I mean, I think I passed better. I'm in the very, I'm like one block away from better. I'm basically right there. And I'm kind of like, ah, damn, my friend's doing a show right in there. And I'm scuffling by myself just to like find it. And I end up sitting the Vons. There is not a seat to be had except for one squeezed in at the end of the bar. And nobody was taking it because the person. who was sitting next to that seat was basically taking up two seats basically and i was just i had said to that person i'm like hey i i gotta squeeze in here it's the last stool i could tell she was not super happy to make room for me but like i am trying to make myself as small as possible like squeezed into the very very end of the bar but it was the right place to go incredibly expensive two beers some meatballs and some and a little thing of bread and it was like 77 before tax or something wait no i had a shot i had one shot too so there's liquor but anyway it was a little bit more expensive so i guess it wasn't quite andrew it wasn't the woods live wire your invitation to live wire the gift of friendship the green room i could have been eating chicken wings in the green room but uh i did so anyway the wind luke was amazing i know you can back me up on that it was like a superman movie right it was like yes i could not walk i was tilted it blew my hat and over the head earphones off of my head at one point god it was moving pizza ovens it was

bedeviling public radio hosts myself yeah it's the public radio host in question so we were staying at this hotel called the um uh the arctic room hotel which by the way was awesome i was that's where i was doing the show oh yeah i was telling you before we started recording that i was like oh i love this place it's like it's just really old school seattle but it's just well maintained They have this great lobby bar and a great restaurant downstairs, and they're just super nice people. It's just classic Seattle, the Arctic room. But it's about four blocks from Benaroya Hall. And I came out of the hotel on Friday afternoon. I was going to go to Benaroya Hall for sound check. And I'm carrying my suit, so I'm dressed in my kind of regular clothes, but I have my suit. But, you know, for all of my obsessive kind of preparation and also acquisition of things, always to like maximize my life experience you know what i don't really have what i don't really own is like a a suit bag that i like i have a whole system i fold my suits up i fold them into my suitcase and take them with me to places i don't have like a garment bag so i've got the suit the pants and the shirt i'm going to wear all on the same hanger but they're not in a protected bag and i'm coming out and i'm gonna call i'm thinking this is you know also i just done my hair i was like i'm kind of like you know put together a little bit here uh i should i was like well maybe i'll just take an uber or a lift up to the uh to the theater which is three four blocks away but then i was like it was like well you want to know the real thing there are all these parts of downtown seattle where you can't get an actual uber to pick you up because they're designated transit zones or something there's like a lot of rules down there i couldn't you cannot get this particular hotel and Benaroya Hall are two places, Andrew, that I can't call an Uber to the hotel and I can't have it drop me off at Benaroya Hall. You'd have to walk

a couple of blocks anyway and you were only a couple of blocks away? Exactly, because

in both cases, it wanted me to meet the Uber driver at a pickup spot that wasn't the hotel because of something having to do with the transit zone I was in and then it wouldn't drop me off at Benaroya it was going to take me to some other place a few blocks away it was going to be a wash effectively so I thought, okay, I'll walk And where I was standing coming out of the lobby of the Arctic Room Hotel, I did not realize. I was sheltered from the wind in that particular place. And so I did not know until I set foot on 3rd Avenue.

Yeah, that's what – yep, I was walking on 3rd.

I mean you could be like – because, yeah, you were coming out of the transit station. That's why you were so close to Benaroya.

Well, I took the E line, so I was coming down from – Oh, you were surface streets. Yeah, whatever.

Did you go into the tunnel?

No, I wasn't in the tunnel, but it was basically I was in a wind tunnel. Like I just – I was tilting. Like I was walking down. Oh, that's right. I was walking down from third at one point, kind of towards the market. And I'm walking downhill. People are walking uphill. You know this well. But I am leaning, Luke. I'll bet you, and I'll bet you people were thinking about this. People probably thought I was Michael Jackson because I was leaning so far forward. They thought you were smooth criminal. They thought I was smooth criminal.

You had real questions as to if Annie was okay.

Are you? Are you, Annie?

I'm only going to ask you this one more time, Annie. Are you okay?

So anyway, yeah, it was bananas. Like the whole time I'm holding, and I'm wearing kind of a, I don't know if you'd call it a trench coat. I'm wearing like a, is it like mohair? What is like that? Kind of a tan.

Camel hair kind of thing. Yeah, camel hair that goes down to my. Not really, but maybe in the style of that, like a tan, kind of a beige thing.

Yeah, with a big scarf. And so that thing goes down to like my maybe mid-calf or maybe down to my knee or something. And so I'm kind of, and I'm holding, the wind is blowing that back. i'm holding onto my hat with one hand i felt like i was in some sort of i wish my hat had been a fedora because i felt like i was like in a 1940s movie you know um i'm i don't want you to first

of all i want to be very clear andrew whenever i'm doing some kind of extracurricular thing or whatever you want to call it i guess it's my job it's not extra Thank you.

But when I'm doing something in Seattle, you're under zero obligation to ever go to that. If there's anybody in the world who has heard enough of my musings, it's you, sir. So I take a zero. You could literally have gone to the Muppets Save Christmas, which was the other part of Benaroya Hall that night. And I would have been totally not offended.

What if I protested it, though? Because I feel like that's how close I came. I'm like walking. I even had a moment where I was like, oh, my gosh, I could run into it.

Call in the big wind.

Get him out of here. I'm riding a bicycle just around Benaroya with some sort of a protest sign about, you know, not attending the LiveWire show. But, yeah, it did just – it seemed really weird that you were in Seattle. You know, you don't even live in Seattle.

And you, by happenstance, ended up at the exact location of where I was doing the thing and still chose to pay $75 for Vaughn's meal.

It still wasn't. And I don't even, and by the way, the money thing, I always feel cheap when I bring that up, but it is an interesting, it is an interesting dynamic around here. You know, we talked about blueberries and people around the country are like, what you're paying, you saw blueberries for $10 a pint? Well, first of all, we are out of season and there's a lot of things going on with that. But I really don't think people understand when you talk about just like the expense of Seattle, especially if you're going to a place like that, that is, you know, not a dive bar. But, I mean, Vons isn't, like, super – it's not – I don't think of it as, like, a super fancy place either. I mean, it's good. It's just, like, a good place. But, like, you know, I had – I bought one appetizer, which was six meatballs. Really good meatballs, by the way. I bet. And then, you know, I didn't itemize the bill, but I did remember when they – they're like, well, do you want to order some bread to go along with that? And I was like, yeah, I'll take a little ciabatta, I believe, which was the right move. And, again, no regrets. It was $77 for a nice evening, and I tore through a big chunk of that book. I really enjoyed my time there. But it really is notable when the check comes. You're like, oh, yeah, okay, three drinks, an appetizer, and a bread on the side, and you're getting damn near $100 with a tip.

Well, because not to count your money, but something about you that I feel like you've talked about on the show, I feel like this is okay, is that you are a person who, in my experience, you live your life in a certain way so that you do not overextend yourself or live beyond your means, but you work really hard, and Genevieve works super hard, and my sense of your lifestyle is you've structured your life in such a way that you can go out to dinner when you want to, and you're not stressed out about the bill.

Yes.

And that's an important thing to you. And to a certain degree, that's a privilege. But to a big degree, that's based on decisions that you've made, which I really respect. I am kind of the opposite. I don't know how I'm going to pay for dinner tonight. It's a disaster over here.

Luke, right now, for listeners who can't see, he's slicing a bean. He's slicing a cartoon bean. Were we joking around with that with Nora? I feel like I'm wearing a barrel. That joke has come up somewhere in my life recently. Anyway.

but um but so and and i again i i really respect this about about you and about the choices you've made is that you know you guys have one car and you share it and you don't drive it a particular lot you do take public transportation a lot and you just kind of like i admire the way that you live your life from a sort of a fiscal standpoint and and the upside of that is that you you don't my sense is you're not clocking should we get the appetizer or not or whatever and so when you start noticing it and when i even start noticing it like when i was in south beach i was and part of it's because it's south beach it's miami and it's um you know uh it was art basil although i don't think that they it's not dynamic pricing but like you know uh i'm i was shocked at the prices of something i'd sit down just to get a little bit of dinner and again not excessive ordering i might i wasn't even drinking on one of the nights just my dinner was 50 bucks or something you know it's

like what well i'm glad to hear you say that because honestly even bringing it up i'm a little embarrassed that i brought up the price of it but you know because i really don't like to be that guy i really really don't like oh god everything's so expensive or uh like then just don't go out

that guy right now by the way there's a political factor to it if there's a time to be that guy buy into the affordability con job created by the democrats well i mean yes and no i also think that

I mean, this gets into local politics a little bit too much than I want to take this conversation. But I do believe that the reason Seattle is especially expensive in these particular sectors is because of laws that I support and vote for, which is, you know, to make sure that people are paid a living wage. And since it's so expensive to live in Seattle, the living wage here in Seattle is pretty high, although it has not kept up with inflation over the past 40 years. So whatever. But but the point is, you know, I do think it's really important that these workers aren't just working off of tips. I think that's kind of a bad system. So I vote for laws where they're paid more money. So then when I go to get some meatballs and a couple of IPAs, it's going to show up in my bill. And so I don't know. It is politically fraught. around and also putting politics aside I just don't want to be that guy you know what I mean like either like I'm gonna pay for something or I'm not like wringing my hands over the price of popcorn at a movie theater and saying back in the day it wasn't so much it's just like such a cliche move that I don't like to be that guy so I'm kind of regret bringing it up here but I do think comparing the experience that I was looking for to like this just I don't know I just went to this family restaurant in Cleveland and it was cozy and it was nice and just trying to recreate that in seattle is just difficult for various reasons i i was going to tell you though that

i'm sorry not only i'm not mad at you about um about missing livewire but there's a different person in our friend universe who i'm definitely more much more mad oh good that's our friend leanie that's prom queen uh-huh because that's uh and and other entertainment uh endeavors i don't know friend of snacks right friend of snacks a good friend of snacks we've never seen

selene and snacks in the same room they say they're friends but i never see them hanging out that's a

a really good point well i was texting with our friend celine this week um about rabbit box theater which i know where you went and saw snacks and josh fadum by the way fadum who's a we got who's

a close friend of cat solon by the way another friend of ours and listener of the show she heard me talking about josh said good friend of mine and just so you know it's long a fadum fadum

great that's really good to know um i know you went to rabbit box theater we were after uh well the beginning of the story is uh selena and i were texting during the week and she said hey if you guys are looking for somewhere after live wire to go and grab a drink or whatever uh rabbit box would be a cool place and i could tell them to keep the kitchen open a little late a little late or something and i was like that sounds really fun i go we kind of scatter to the wind afterwards so i don't know like i didn't i didn't want them to like keep the place open for us and then have us not show up i didn't really know what the scene was going to be yeah so i was like that's really awesome offer um but um you know we'll kind of play it by ear but i said by the way if you'd like to come to livewire you're more than invited i'll put you on the list and all this and um she said i'd love to but i've um i've got other plans do you know what her other plans were she was seeing die hard christmas for the fourth time oh was there that much left unanswered saline and die hard christmas the third time you saw it well i i mean clearly that's a tradition though I don't believe in Christmas tradition, Andrew. You know me. I have no tradition. There's nothing about Christmas that I love to maniacally do in a ritualistic fashion.

You know what we should do? This is just off the top of the dome here. We should have a TBTL holiday party over Zoom where we talk about our Christmas traditions and ask listeners to join us. And maybe they can share their favorite Christmas or holiday traditions, I should say. That sounds expensive, Andrew. We have the money. In this economy? We have the business boys' power to pull this off. And I think John Sklaroff is on board. What if we did it in like 10 days on like the 19th? Okay. You know what?

Hold on. You've got to check my Palm Pilot. I'm available. I'm available December 19th at 5 p.m. West Coast.

You got that? Would that be 8 p.m. East Coast time, I think?

I think it would. And the Central can sort it out.

That's right. And would you say that people can join Luke, Andrew, and John, and tens of other listeners as we celebrate the season and share stories of our favorite holiday traditions? Should people come ready with some of you and your family's cherished traditions? Or feel free to keep your mic muted and just bask in the glow of TBTL friendship? Is that what people should do on Friday the 19th?

Man, this is coming together so quickly. I think this is exactly what people should do on December 19th. They should probably go to tbtl.net, though, and click on that big button to sign up for it. That's what I would do. So they'll get their free tickets to the TBTL holiday hang.

Hey, let's do it. Maybe Celine will show up.

She's not seeing Die Hard Christmas for the fifth time. All right, let's thank some donors. These are people who are supporting TVTL on a monthly or yearly basis, and it's the only way this program can exist. This is 100% listener-supported podcasting, and it's thanks to folks like Diane Sibbert of Chehalis, Washington. Diane, I can practically see Diane from where I am down here in southern Washington. I'm not far from Chehalis.

That's where you get into Chehalis-grams, right?

That's right. Shehalanigans.

Shehalanigans, that's what they are. There you go, that where we got there. Glad I introduced them to evidence, but then I can't stick around there.

Well, because it does look like Chelan. Chelan and Shehalas, yes. It's got that CH. I understand why you'd be confused. But that's where Diane is.

is and we are so appreciative thanks diane also thanks to kristen corley who's in wilmington

north carolina thank you christy wait a second kristen kristen did you say christy yeah i did did i say christy no i think i heard corley and sorry i got i got that messed up i am guessing i don't know maybe kristen goes by christy but my guess is that's one of those names where if somebody if you say your name is kristen and somebody calls you christy i'll bet you it drives you a baddie so i just want well kristin that was a mistake not me trying to be chummy but i do think

it goes to a larger issue with kristin's name oh and i've held this for years and i've said it on the show and i'm not just listen andrew i cannot be bought just because kristin corley of wilmington north carolina is donating and has been donating for years and is making it possible for this to be our job i can't sublimate my truth which is the christens the the kirsties and the kirstens kirstens the kirstens it's too close together i i can't you just you brought something up that are

too similar to each other my friend is kirsten and kirsten are those two different pronunciations of the same name or is it just am I just doing something there? Like is there somebody who would say no I'm not Kirsten.

Let's say it's well there was Kirstie Alley.

Yeah but is Kirsten a name and Kirsten

a name? Kirsten is a name and Kirsten is a name.

And so they would be spelled the same. That would just be a preference then right? Is that a

pronunciation? But even that it's adding a layer

of complexity to it. But I don't even know if that's accurate. You don't have a name

like Bob and then Burb and then Barb. Well, we do have a Barb.

Well, we do have a Bob and a Barb.

Well, I blame them too. You're not getting out scot-free, Bobbs and Barb.

I'm naming, when we eventually get a dog, I'm naming them Burb. Actually, that's too close to your name. In honor of me. I love it. That's too close to your... I was picturing it with an E. I was picturing it with an E. Anyway.

Thank you, Kristen. Thanks also to Michael Smith. See, now that's a good, solid, American, incontrovertible name. Mike Smith of University Place, Washington.

Oh, man. First of all, you just shortened it to Mike, and now we also have a real, like, let's make names great again vibe coming off of you that I'm not 100% comfortable with. I call him as I see him, Andrew. I'm a truth teller. I'm not 100% comfortable with him.

You know, University Place, I talk about this whenever it comes up, but they were one of the, I think they even won, they were victorious in the first and only TBTL marching band theme contest. And this was, I have to say One of the first times that I started to feel like Oh, this is kind of working TBTL is kind of working Because what we decided to do You know this story, right? We had Blue Thunder Which was the like pep band of the Seahawks So not, you know They're the hype band That's like a big bunch of drums And horns and stuff And they'll play outside the stadium Before the game and stuff And get everybody all gassed up so blue thunder said we will um we'll come and we want to do promotions we were the we were the home of the seahawks at the time yeah i guess we they still are but yeah kyra radio and so there was like a promotion and we were like well what could we do that has to do with blue thunder that would be fun but that would be a competition and so we were like well we'll we'll put it out to the high school bands of washington of the state of washington western washington anyway if they record catch my disease if they learn how to play it and then play it and record it we'll pick our favorite and they'll get blue thunder will visit their school but you know you know immediately where my mind goes with these kinds of things no one's going to enter like this is too big of an ask and we're going to get zero participation and we're going to be embarrassed in front of blue thunder and uh and everyone else and so uh kind of i guess maybe sort of against my better judgment we announced the competition and i'll be gall darned if we didn't get a bunch of actual like recordings of catch my disease of high schoolers playing catch my disease and it was so gratifying just to listen to think like what went into this the band director had to get the music or figure out the music and you know then just make photocopies and distribute it to the members of the band they had to learn it and then they had to play it and someone had to record it they had to email it to us and here we are playing it i was like this was an idea that actually was

a good idea this is totally on me because i did lose focus for a big at the beginning of the story

how does that link into university place was university the university place high school was either the winning band or in the top i see i have when i see that the word university place i think of tbtl catch my disease band competition of 16 years ago 17 years ago i also realize i sort of

get that story confused with the acapella intro that we have because that was also those those were not high school students though right those were that was that i don't think they were i i don't think they were high schoolers and that was totally a gen idea i can't even remember if they reached out to us or we just thought it would be like we'll just have an acapella group on and have them sing some songs or something but but but the the the magic of it was that i think literally maybe as an afterthought i don't know if it was on air or during the commercial break like one of us had the idea oh could you cut some liners for us and they just did and that's become part of the sonic idea of the show is them saying tbtl you know in acapella but that was a total afterthought and people don't usually get to

hear it in the clear tbtl and then years later when i got my grubby hands into some sort of tbtl archives i stumbled on and i didn't know about this one that was labeled like the alternative open And I was like, well, that's really charming, too. And so we decided to start using that just on Fridays.

Yeah.

And that was, boy, that felt like a new development. And that was 10 years ago now, probably. Anyway.

You know who loves that? No, who can't get enough of that? Those TBTL acapella intros. Colleen Arnold in Hayward, California.

Thank you, Colleen. And you're welcome for playing on that, I guess. Actually, I take that back. I hate that. I really, one of my least favorite things in the world is when somebody just, like, does something or sends something and just says you're welcome yeah i'm glad that that's kind of

yeah gone by the wayside a bit yeah yeah i don't like that um mo star is in mill creek utah hey you're our star thank you for mo star now that's now that's an american name andrew i'm gonna name what names are and are not american mo star so uncomfortable it's right up there with bettina mackie who's in boffle washington absolutely tina thank you patina thank you to all of our donors today uh we couldn't uh do tbtl without you hello and welcome to top story um i don't know how closely you've been monitoring this whole thing but netflix is um poised i guess to um to acquire warner brothers and this is seen as a big story for a couple of reasons The thing that kind of jumped out to me, well, it's just further media consolidation, but it's also this question of like Warner Brothers is considered one of the last kind of big independent film studios. They make movies with the intention of at least a lot of those movies going into the theater. And if you think about Netflix, they are not particularly incentivized for movies to go into movie theaters. They're kind of a watch it at home kind of deal. And the thought is, if Netflix is able to pull this off We are just going to see fewer and fewer movies Going out to the theaters I mean, I can't imagine a world in which there are no movie theaters But we just won't have My guess would be the regals of the world The AMCs, the lows, the heartbreaks feels good in a place like this All of that stuff could really go away What you'd probably be left with, actually, is the kind of movie theaters That I tend to go to anyway An indie movie theater that wants to just keep showing me Wes Anderson movies or, you know, like.

But I do, there's got to be, if the AMCs and Regals, et cetera, kind of lose their power, there's going to be a downstream effect because like the whole model of acquiring those movies for the small theaters would be hurt. Right. You know what I mean? The cost of acquiring a movie for the small theaters, I think that it would be like the whole ecosystem could probably crumble.

Exactly. The whole distribution network just changes. And so it's like, yeah, I mean, which is, you know, obviously really bums me out as a thought. Now, riding in to save the day, question mark, is my boss, question mark, David Ellison, who's in charge of, well, was in charge of Skydance, the movie studio that was making the Mission Impossible movies and the like, who then bought Paramount Global, who I work for, and they are big mad about this. They do not want this deal to go through. And so they are trying to directly appeal to the shareholders of Warner Brothers to say we will – it's like something out of – it's a wonderful life. Like, we'll give you 10% over what Potter's offering, and they're trying to just directly acquire the stock in the company so that they can then do what they want with it by basically overpaying for the stock directly to the stockholders.

It's basically a Robin Colcord. I don't know if you get that reference, but if Genevieve were in here, if she can –

Now, is that a Cheers reference?

It absolutely is. When I think of a hostile takeover, I think of Cheers. Because I was a kid, and I'm like, what is a hostile takeover? But I'm pretty sure that the big, you know, the deep-pocketed money man, Robin Colcord, whom, whom, Kirstie Alley, had a huge...

He had a huge crush on, so it's all coming together.

Yeah, because he was British, right? Didn't he have a British accent?

You know, did he have a British accent or a rich accent? Yeah, I think he was British. Maybe British and rich or something. I couldn't remember if he just talked. But yeah, no, I think he did have a British accent. But I mean, listen, I kind of, I don't know, maybe I should just spoof on Cheers and not get too deep in the story because even the Paramount thing is like, it's so gross. Like, first of all, I mean, just the consolidation is terrible and everything else that's going on with Paramount right now And the fact that this hostile takeover also involves some capital from Kushner's, you know, whatever you call investment company or whatever, like and it's all tied up and into like what will make the White House happy, which should never be the case. And there was that's the thing. It's just like the the potential of theaters going away is is terrible. But I don't trust any of these companies to really like care about anything other than squeezing the last bits of money out of whatever deal it is. I mean, we're just living in an age that is just like it's almost literally sickening to me. You know, we talked about the Joanne Fabrics and just like how I think it's literally random person. I know. I know that I said literally I said that on the K.O.W. live radio show and and about something else literally using literally potentially as figuratively. But I mean, in this case, like I kind of get a stomach ache about this stuff these days. like I'm yeah it's it's really really bothering me there was a quote from one of the players in here I think somebody representing the paramount side of this and they're starting to they're kind of my side of it they're trying to make an argument and I don't even even in the moment of me reading this quote I didn't quite understand I think the analogy was David Ellison press release on it right I don't know if this was the press release I maybe but there was a um there was somebody on paramount side and i don't think it was ellison directly but basically making some sort of comparison to like well if diet coke or if coke and pepsi converged but you were using the argument that that's not monopolistic because budweiser is still available that was somebody kind of trying to take down the netflix side of things and i didn't quite understand it and i dwelled on it a little bit trying to figure it out but my point of that and you can explain in a second if you want but i just want to say my point which is i was thinking about that quote trying to untangle it but then it occurred to me i don't care if pepsi and coke can combine and they're using this as an example it's like oh i'm gonna get my sweet water from the same company like my sugar water like that is this is like media is so much more important than that even films or whatever we're talking about we're just living in an era where the where we're so fractionalized based on like not agreeing what truth is and what what people are choosing to consume and then what these companies are choosing for us to consume under the guise of unlimited options which are very limited if you actually look at the scope of media and these people fighting over this is

these billionaires billionaires with like gross ties to gross people are like fighting over this stuff and it's so much more important than coke and pepsi to me and it's just it's so dispiriting

Yeah, not that this matters, but I think that the, well, the argument that Netflix is trying to make to say that this isn't sort of anti-competitive or monopolistic, if we, as Netflix, that is one of the hugest content creators now acquire one of the other hugest content creators, is because their argument is you've got to account Amazon, you've got to account for YouTube. there's a lot of content being created and it's not just a tv world or a film studio world anymore it's a digital world and all these other things and i guess this was an argument that like google made recently somewhat successfully in their antitrust case which is just kind of like we need to rethink about what because when we say like oh you can't own all of the movie studios you can't own all the television you can't own all the content and all the places that make content but they're like yeah but there's lots of places and we need to think about this differently was an argument that they're trying to make but to your larger point yeah it is it is it there's no way it's a good thing you know there's no way that it is going to improve people's experiences it's there's no way it's going to create more diversity and more interesting projects it's you know and i mean i've been really grappling with this lately just thinking about the media i guess in general and how it's just to me and our attention spans have now been just like i hope not permanently destroyed but certainly for the time being my attention span feels like it's been pretty pretty beat up and i feel like you know to me it really comes down to a question of like format like is the is long format anything kind of over or on its way to being over like our will movies someday be something that is we don't have the attention span to watch an hour and a half long movie and and by the way people are always going to make stuff there's always going to be creative, you know, projects. going on but is it just going to be a quibby no we always roast quibby but i mean honestly i don't know i think eight minutes is about all i have in me these days

yeah i'm not sure i i don't think that a certain kind of art form or long form art form is going to totally go away but the the sticky wicket with it is is you could sort of say let's just say that something was affecting the publishing industry and we're having this conversation about books literature whatever and you i i would usually in that moment say listen whether or not there's money in it there's always going to be people walking around with books in them that they need to get out whether they're scratching that out on paper with pen you know or or you know or however they're writing it and then publishing it and if they're self-publishing like people just need to get art out of themselves when it's in them it's the creative process the problem with this is you can't just make a movie by yourself i mean you can but it's probably not going to be very good You know, like and so because you have it's probably bloated in some sectors and, you know, we I don't want to kind of get into judging whether or not like Mission Impossible Part 7, Part 1 or whatever they did.

You know, David Ellison does his own hostile takeover.

I just make that a show title. Like, you know, I mean, like people enjoy what they enjoy. And then there are small indie movies and I don't even want to pit them against each other. But either way, you still need a big network to make, produce, and distribute and promote a movie. I was just – did you ever happen to read – I don't know why you would have. But Lucy Liu has a new movie coming out, and I just stumbled on this. I don't know. I'm scrolling, and then I click on a link. I think it was in Vanity Fair. They do an interview with her. It didn't even occur to me – this is such a tangent. Lucy Liu has never been the lead role in a movie before. I'm surprised to hear that. She was a Charlie Angel, but that, of course, there's three sharing the spotlight or whatever. And now she has had this project that she'd been working on for a long, long time where she is playing the lead. It sounds like a very, it's what my friend used to call a shooting star movie because Netflix would indicate sad stories with a shooting star. I mean, this sounds like a hundred shooting stars. It's a woman who I think is living in America, but has come over from China, and she's got cancer and is trying to take care of her child before she dies or something. It sounds like a devastating movie. I hope it's good. I don't know. I haven't read any reviews of it. But my point of it is she was just saying that she can't even – she's thanking the interviewer for interviewing her and basically saying, like, I just can't get promotion for this. Nobody will promote it. The idea of promoting it is such a machine. Yeah, yeah, it's Rosemead. Are you reading the description? How close was I?

Inspired by a harrowing true story, Lucy Liu transforms in a riveting, career-redefining performance as an ailing woman who takes drastic measures to protect her troubled teenage son. You got a lot of that right.

Oh, yeah, and I think the son might be autistic or something along those lines as well. So anyway, it just deals with some serious topic matters and a serious moment in this particular woman's life. But all of that is to say it was just like this little – I'm just reading this article and it's popping in my head right now randomly. I sort of regret bringing this up. But the point is it's just kind of like this isn't something where it's like, well, either way, I'm just going to make this happen. I'm going to write my great novel and I'm going to put it in a suitcase and whether or not anybody ever sees it. It's just a different kind of art that takes, at least in this day and age, so many people just to get it made let alone to present it to the world.

Well speaking of those kinds of projects Although I guess you could say ironically I did watch this on Netflix But there is this movie Train Dreams That is on Netflix right now It was also in the theater for two weeks I think that they're trying to do that Oscar thing with it My dad and I watched it on Sunday night It is phenomenal It is really beautiful And of course I've been on this weird Dennis Johnson kick lately Jesus' son He was a writer who went through the Iowa Writers Program, and it's just kind of famously associated with that program. He wrote a book called Jesus's. He was a short story writer, but I was reading a review of a new biography of him in the Times, and then I'm watching this Train Dreams movie, and I'm like, God, this is so good. It's basically the story of this guy who's living in the West in the late 1800s, early 1900s, helping build the railroad. just kind of what life was like I mean it's a very quiet film but the writing is really interesting and the just the it's a it's a beautiful film and I was like god where did this come from and it's like based on the story by Dennis Johnson I was like oh that would make sense it wasn't a story of his I was familiar with but anyway it's a beautiful film with almost no financial upside that I could see Like, you know, like, I do think it's getting some buzz here in the Pacific Northwest because it's all shot out here. It's all shot in the woods. It was, you know, it was kind of crazy was watching it with my dad because for a lot of the movie, he's also on these logging crews. And like, he's out in the Pacific Northwest cutting down trees, which was a job my dad had. He was, my dad was a tree planter and a tree thinner, which is to say a logger. i mean they weren't like clear cutting but like my dad was living in like canvas tents and cutting down trees in the woods in the pacific northwest and now one of those saws that he takes

one side and somebody else takes the other side and they go back and forth they sure did that's

amazing uh his yeah he was working with paul bunyan a giant axe did they get there via one

of those train cars you have to crank up and down up and down up and down yeah um you know

yeah there was a little time in between but i kept saying that my dad was like is this crazy for you to watch this i mean it'd be like me watching a movie about podcasting like a hundred years ago a guy was you know or something and i was it was so funny because i was like dad this is so like similar to your experience he was like i don't know i mean i was only out there for two years i was like if i lived in the woods for two years cutting down trees you would never hear the end of it ever never ever ever it would be the only thing i would talk about and then if i saw a movie where guys were doing that essentially granted with older tools i would be like like he didn't say anything during the movie i would have been like a chatty kathy i would have been like well that wasn't how it was when we were out there when we used to do this i mean i would have been insufferable to watch this film with my dad because he's a chill guy who's just like watching it like i mean oh it's a good movie yeah enjoying it it's a good movie i was watching something

recently where the verisimilitude and it must have had to do with my industry and it just it shouldn't bother me so much like I'm not as picky as you are about I think or it's just maybe different things that sort of trigger us but little things that where you see somebody doing something in a radio studio and it's like that doesn't make sense oh I remember seeing a sketch one time I think it was Mr. Show or something along those lines and it's in the studio and you have like there's some producers classic like kind of producer behind glass I want to say behind a big radio board or a big you know mixing board of some sort and there's some sort of talent like that they're directing and they show the back of the board and there's no cables coming out of it and it's just like a quick shot i'm just like oh come on guys we got to do better than that and i i'm sorry to keep bringing this up i was behind on pluribus and so i caught up on it last night i actually wasn't even 100 sure i was gonna with more time passing i was like i think i'm in that mode myself

You're like on the fence. Teetering on re-engaging or not.

You know, I was texting with our friend Kat Solon, who has kind of has gone on, I think, sort of a similar journey with that show that I have, that just loved the first episode so much and then felt like episode two suffered a bit. And then, but anyway, I was talking with her and she asked where I was on it. And so I said, I don't know, I might give up or I might keep going. And she said, for what it's worth, I think it gets better in the last two episodes. So I did sit down and watch them last night and I did enjoy them. And I'm glad I'm back in the world. But let me see if I can describe this to you. And, I mean, I don't think this is, you'd have to be very, very sensitive to spoilers for this to be considered a spoiler. But there is a time where she sits down to record a video on kind of a, not on her phone, but more on a classic kind of camcorder. But a camcorder that takes like an SD card or something. Yeah. And so she sets it up on a tripod, and she sits down on a couch, and she starts talking to the camera. But before she's talking to the camera, you know these kinds of cameras, Luke. They have the little window that flaps out, and that's your viewer screen. It's a digital viewer screen. And you can adjust it, and you can flip it over. And so she's sitting down and almost like flipping it over back in the day that we didn't call it selfie mode, but it's almost like selfie mode. She can flip that thing over, sit down on the couch, and then align herself right in the middle of the couch, and she can see, right? But once she adjusts herself, she flips that viewfinder back the other way, and then she starts recording. And there's literally no reason for her to do that. If you were recording this thing, you would have that viewfinder flipped, and you would be watching yourself as you recorded this thing. The only reason they flipped it the other way was because whoever was shooting it in this Vince Gilligan style knew that it would be a cool effect to be able to like kind of position the TV cameras in a way that you're both seeing her and her captured on camera in a way that was a little bit more arty. But there is no reason anybody would have flipped this viewfinder back away so that she couldn't see herself. She would have kept it so she could see herself. She would have kept it so she could have seen herself. And it's one of those things. And I've saw it like I probably clocked like five of those things across like two episodes of that show yesterday. And I am enjoying it. And the thing I enjoy about the show is it is eye candy, man. It is. so beautiful to look at that show the way I mean the shots are set up so impeccably but it's also kind of like boy they really do they why would this person in 2025 even have a camcorder why wouldn't she well I guess she couldn't do it on a phone because she needs some sort of physical media right I don't know does the internet work in pluribus great question right like so there's a talk of zoom calls I know that they mentioned zoom calls in one episode of pluribus so there must be internet for that why does she need to do this on physical media and i feel like it's just kind of like there are certain things that they're just throwing in there just for storytelling the way that you might still have an answering machine message on somebody's desk in a movie just

because it's a good way to like kind of fast forward the plot if somebody can leave somebody

a voicemail this isn't quite that but last night so my dad and i are now watching shetland which is one of his one of those british shows that he pirates because it's just coming out in england right now yeah it's actually a pretty good show for being a you know a kind of a procedural kind of crime show um but um they i just noticed this one scene it's it's i mean you want to talk about beautiful it's you know it's it's in uh scotland i guess is where it's set in it but it's really far up there it's like almost like sweden like across the water from sweden everyone's always or norway everyone's always going to bergen norway that's like the big hangout but they had this was like classic scene where there's like three or four detectives or like they're talking or something but they're outside and you know outside the house where like the murder has gone down and the physicality like the main detective she's a DI detective inspector she's like talking to so like let's just say Andrew I'm facing you I'm facing the camera right now and I'd be talking to you like this but instead she's just asking the questions like this

she's turning her shoulder kind of to the person she's talking to

and talking over her shoulder and there's like another detective right here who's standing normally yeah she's just like and she's delivering her lines like this to the cat to the camera to the person and it's like the most unnatural way it is a it is a way that no one would ever voluntarily stand to address another person for any reason but it's purely because the cinematographer and the director were like it'll be a cool shot it'll look more yeah why is it i'm

sorry i cut you off that i want to know like what what is the cooler shot is it i think it has to

do with some variation so you have three detectives okay you have this one detective sandy you have the di and then you have this other detective tosh and if they were just standing shoulder to shoulder the three of them would just be kind of an uninteresting shot okay so they posed one of them in the like weirdest like like 90 degree like body is facing 90 degrees from the person they're talking to when they're just talking like this like and like for some reason just hit me last i was like oh that's that is i would have been so annoyed if i was the actor who had to deliver the lines that way right because i've just been like this is not how i would stand but the director is like no it'll look better i promise you you can hear the conversation you're probably

imagining the conversation between the actor and the director before the actor decides fine i won't

die on this hill it's some of the only times i really try to not get too testy on on cbs shoots But the one thing that will sometimes cause me to be a little bit annoyed And again, I try not to show it But it has to do with body positioning And again, here's what always happens The producer or the camera person Wants you standing in a different position But they lack the language to explain to you What the different position is So you're standing there interviewing Or you're about to interview someone And they're like, can you just scoot over? And you're like, okay, this way And then you scoot over And they're like, no, no, the other way and then you go the other way they're like no no actually um further away from me you mean back should i scoot back yeah but but um but just to the to the camera i'm scooting away from you back towards the camera like and then the more confused me and the person who's being interviewed are the more that the language eludes the person trying to tell us and then they always have to come over and just physically kind of position you i heard somebody say the other day that actors are basically

babies or their children was it alfred hitchcock probably that's how he talked about this my alfred hitchcock impression okay wasn't he notoriously like he just treated his actors like chattel just like he because i think at one point an actor i think there's a famous quote of an actor saying what's my motivation he said your paycheck that's pretty droll yeah i think this was a person

who maybe had become a director because they said they actually they for them they felt like acting was so infantilizing because basically and i was like yeah kind of because if you're the actor i'm you know and i'm not an actor but let's just say even in the when i'm doing my little tv job you are told where to stand and you're just waiting and then you're told that it

time to say your thing and then you're told to stop saying your thing you have you have some creative control i guess in how you deliver that line or say those things or ask those questions but you are really like you are infantilized in a way you're particularly if it's a big movie think about it you're brought onto the set that you're you're just waiting until they bring you out and they place you somewhere and they tell you go and then you do it and then they tell you stop and then they send you back to wherever you came from until it's time to bring you back out

again and you and you understand that there's a script there are words that you say i'm i'm not

actually a wizard myself i play a wizard what's that will there be scripts the night of the play

no there'll be no scripts on the night of the play there will be no scripts there will be no

scripts you know what's funny andrew the di di calder that's her name she's ricky gervais's buddy in extras that's oh interesting yeah i was i was butchering a scene was that from extras i believe i don't know or that or that could have been the listen at some point ricky gervais made extras and in another point he made the one with warwick davis and i can constantly mix up the scenes yeah of which is which but did you watch any of extras do you remember him and he had sort of a he had like a platonic female friend who was often in on these shoots with him i have only seen

clips and like people have sent me stuff that we've used for tv there's a famous david bowie scene that we played uh from extras but i've never sat down and watched an episode she's great in it

she's so funny and um it's kind of like a sort of a female ricky gervais they're both just kind of hopeless um but then so it's kind of fun to get to see her actually as the new star of this show

oh that's great yeah and also by the way you kind of also had me at the idea of that it's just beautiful like um the the i don't watch hardly any of those types of shows but i watch what i think might be considered kind of near the near the cream of the crop of those which was um broad church what it was a decade ago or whatever uh-huh it that is considered elite i just wanted to live in that world i mean not with the dark murder sicko-ness but just like you just they was i watched season three of that which i was i remember season three being at least to my taste at that time quite a step down from season one like season three was like what am i even watching here it was like i don't care i just want to see this bluff i just want i don't want this bluff to leave my life

you would honestly like i mean it would be kind of fun if we were both watching shetland and like no pressure but you should check it out whatever the latest season i know you have your ways the latest season of shetland because yeah it's just this green you know i guess ireland is the emerald isle but it's just these unbelievable it's a tiny teeny tiny town so you know and it's just farm houses and just windswept you know uh meadows leading down to freezing you know atlantic waters or whatever i mean it's just a real it definitely looks like the kind of place that i would decide I need to move so that I can write a book but then I would move there and then I would just look at TikTok all day

you would buy a bunch of scarves a bunch of beautiful scarves step one buy scarves step two write the great American novel because I'm in Shetland not in America though

here I go once again with the email every week I hope that it's from a female no man it's not from a female

all right emails or v-mails before I turn into a popsicle what the listeners don't know Andrew is that we were disconnected a little earlier in the show, and I thought, oh, no, it's stormy, and the internet is down. No, I had just thrown a breaker here in the Madrona Hill studio because I tried to plug in too many heaters.

Now, did you—we got into this a little bit off air. You said that what happened was you had moved a heater from one outlet to another, which put it on a circuit that then ended up breaking in. It was cable management, Andrew. So did you not plug in – you didn't re-plug it into the old outlet after you threw the breaker?

No. By the time I figured out what was going on, we had already been delayed. I just wanted to get back to it. But, yeah, basically what happened was I have this little portable heater that sits right next to me that heats me up, and then I've got a larger kind of – what I need to do is just get this mini-split put in at some point. But I've been having bad luck with those lately. Yeah, no kidding. And so I, the other day, or I guess it would have been yesterday, I realized, oh, why do I have this heater that's next to me plugged in, but in this janky way so that the cord is like all the way across kind of the room and it's unsightly. And I thought, well, there's a power outlet right here where I do the show. Why wouldn't I just plug this heater in in a closer location, make everything a little tidier? And the reason is, and I remembered, oh, yeah, because it blows the circuit. It trips the breaker if I'm trying to run that heater over in this part of the studio. So I am. I wonder, do you know why?

That is, it sounds like I'm putting you on the spot here, but I am curious about it because one of the nice things of you totally renovating that thing and basically kind of rebuilding it, you know, from, you know what I mean? You took a garage, but I mean, essentially you kind of rebuilt it. But so you guys, all the electrical must be new. And one of the beauties of a project like that is you get to decide where everything is, right? Is there any reason why that particular, because it's not like the circuit that you plug this heater into is powering a refrigerator. hydrator or anything like that right that's kind of my question i think these heaters even though

they're 110 i think they draw a lot and i think what it is is so i have two lights going two lights i have the i have two two lights going i've got you know the computer which doesn't seem like a huge draw i guess that's kind of it internet you said because that's the big one oh yeah that's where the modem is plugged in so that's important so yeah we did we wired all of this and it's not that there isn't enough capacity in here i guess it's just that this little area is all on it's it's on the same breaker it's called studio and i guess plugging them in this little heater is just asking too much of that one breaker like when i plug it in where i had it previously in the unsightly area that's totally fine so we have a lot in fact i have separate power run to the studio i have two i get two power bills every month not to brag and one is for the studio and one is for the house so they're on separate um lines and they have separate you know boxes and stuff because someday you know somebody could live in here potentially this is an abu as well they could have their own yeah we wanted it to be set up for that but anyway yeah all that is to say what i like to do is tell you about a 20 minute story about how cold i am and why we need to be quick about the voicemails because i'm cold yes sorry content but then delay my time in here by 20

minutes well i did have questions about that and again we're in the late stage of the show um so We're in late-stage TV television. We really are.

Well, you know who we are, Andrew.

The Badlands. We're in the Badlands, baby. So I know we need to move on and play this voicemail. But would you say that that particular circuit is at its limit?

You know what, Andrew? I don't want to talk about it because that makes me sad that there's no more chair companies to watch.

It really is making me sad, man. I didn't think I was going to miss it so much. And I'm going to go back. Somebody, our friend Barry texted us and was asking about an episode because I think he's maybe still catching up and is halfway through the season. And there's just like one episode that I love that show, but there was episode five right in the kind of near the middle of the season that just really struck me. It's just like that show hitting on all cylinders. And he, Barry made, I think, a good observation. It has sort of that sort of cocaine-y rhythm of uncut gems. Or even maybe even, do you remember Birdman? Remember the movie Birdman with Michael Keaton?

Yeah, it had that kind of propulsive drum soundtrack.

That episode sort of has that a little bit. And I'm like, I think I'm going to go back and watch that episode again. And I've already watched it twice. So, all right, this voicemail I'm about to play for you. I have not listened to it. It came in this morning at 6 a.m., well, our time.

Hello. It's Kathleen in Bloomington, home of MSP Airport again. I really should be going into work. Capitalism is stupid. I just had to call. I know you just played one of my missmails.

I hate to say this. I, you know, I do remember getting a voicemail from Kathleen in Bloomington because it is the home of the airport, but I can't remember what the topic was last time. So, you know, not that you're not memorable, but also don't tell on yourself, you know, you can, you can just leave us as many voicemails as you want. Absolutely.

I feel like, Andrew, I started listening, I'm a relatively new listener, started in 2020, so, you know, just five years. I started listening back to the entire archive after listening to the 4,000 show and just Luke. I was in years listening to Luke talk about the show. and um because when i first started listening 2020 i did start to go back to bigger archives because i like to be a completist but i was it was too confusing but um once once i was about four years in i went back um and it's been very lovely but why i called is i was did i cry on the

fourth i must have cried on the four thousandth show is that what the listener the caller is

is referencing i don't know i kind of i lost the thread a little bit there i have a feeling that i probably was on stage i don't remember you crying oh did you cry on stage a little bit i

probably cried you know just probably out of appreciation and possibly alcohol intake

we did have that nice gin yeah i feel like

We were drinking that gin upstairs at Neptune before the show.

Yeah. I don't remember you crying, but it sounds about right. Were there trees around? You were probably thinking about your crying tree. Too many trees. Too many crying trees.

To Monday's episode.

Okay, so I think what Kathleen is saying here now is that referring back to just yesterday's episode, because today is Tuesday, right?

I was listening to Monday's episode, December 8th, and you answered a question that I had had, because I just got to the point where Andrew started to be regularly on the show back in 2012, a thousand episodes or so in, and I was wondering why you weren't saying good luck to all, and you answered that today. It's crazy how often I listen to the archives at night and then try to keep up through the day and how often there are crazy coincidences of stuff you were talking about back in the aughts and then now in the 2020s. So it's a fascinating parallel universe that I've really enjoyed. spotify says that the top one percent of listeners is this the listener that has 44 000

i'm not sure minutes in their wrapped i saw somebody i think this has got to be that same person there was the the the tbtl like instagram account or whatever like because it was reposting some spotify wraps from people and there was somebody who had 44 000 minutes which i was like i don't think we made 44 000 minutes but if you're going back and listening to the archives you could definitely do that yes yes incredible also that's so generous to say that there are all these coincidences another way to look at it is we are talking about the same shit day in and day out

over the course of decades now and i'll go with some coincidence it's a mobius strip of podcasting

is exactly like i'll go with wow isn't that crazy that they were talking about that thing 12 years ago and they were talking about it on monday yeah right now do you remember see andrew i also i'll be honest with you i had forgotten that there was a period of time where you which by the way makes perfect sense like i understand why you were like kind of didn't want a hermit crab into that little that little part of the show where jen would always say you know and good luck to all um but was it like after you had actually been on the show longer than jen was what was i wonder what the thing was that tipped you over into feeling comfortable to say

that i can't remember i think you wanted me to i think the listeners wanted me to um i mean do you

recall the fact that the listeners i kept telling listeners to call you new mommy yeah they were a little resistant to that i think yeah that complicated thing and you and a lot of people

don't remember this maybe kathleen does because she was just listening to the archives you and i when i first started on the show you would you and i would call each other mom and dad the way my grandparents called themselves mom and dad yes and uh i thought that was pretty endearing but it

made some people kind of uncomfortable it didn't sound on the podcast the way that we thought it sounded yeah i had to hear it later it was like when we when we had the audio drop of my mom saying this is luke's mom suzy coming tonight on tbtl and somebody said you know you could kind of take that

a couple of different ways yeah it took you like a you use that for like a decade or something

before you kind of realize a while too long yeah but then once once i heard about the alternative interpretation it was immediately 86 because that was one of the earliest drops right that was

from way back in the radio days so if you put that at 2008 or 2009 probably 2008 and i feel like you didn't stop using until like 2017 or 2018 or something but i don't remember exactly what pushed me over the the edge of finally saying okay i'll say it i feel like secure enough here but it was it was a very insecure transition for me i'm trying to think if i have ever felt secure but like i do remember like when i first started on tbtl it was also an era when i was on facebook a lot right and like and and the stens community was very very vibrant and now they've gone full underground i don't know how you can find the stents community i think you have to know a guy i know you have to literally go into like some abandoned warehouse late at night where there's a big red ball and then i think maybe somebody will meet you there in the uh in the men's room and tell you how you can find the stents page but like back then there was a lot of public discourse about whether or not i belonged on tbtl you know and i'm not oh you don't remember that i'm not i am not in any way but heard about that is not that's not a story that i bring up because because it's st-

like stings or anything like that but there were plenty of people who were saying in their community which i had eyes on like this sucks like we miss jen like and and so and you know and then there would be tons of nice people saying i'm loving this this is great you know andrew's great or whatever um but it was just a period where it was hard not to feel like an interloper and again i was a fan of the show as a listener of the show i'm a huge fan of jen you know what I mean so that's a big part of it too like I you know stepping into not that I don't like to think of it and I don't think you were setting it up like I was stepping into her shoes but it would be hard to you know when one voice goes away and another regular voice enters the chat as they say it's kind of hard not to make those comparisons so yeah I just did not want to overstep or do anything that felt like I was overstepping yeah I mean I either I either I saw

those comments and i've just kind of memory hold it or more likely even by then i was not looking at the facebook page very frequently because my experience as the you know co-host with you was like i literally i remember the first day you that you came down to my house and i think it was maybe i don't remember what what we how we were talking about it but wasn't it sort of something like hey do you want to do this for a couple of weeks or something or i it was supposed

to be three it wasn't for a couple of weeks it was going to be three days a week okay and i just And I just said, I'll just do it every day.

The first day, I was like, within the first five minutes, I was like, oh, this is great. So my personal feeling of it was like, oh, this is a slam dunk. This is going to be fine. And so I guess I feel like I was not clocking any listeners who were still kind of pining, which you're right, is a completely natural thing when there's one kind of thing going on and then there's a change. But I'm also, you know, another thing that's, I guess, kind of cool is how many people stuck around. Because, I mean, we've got, you know, with the addition of a few newcomers, a few rookies in the last few years, I mean, we're mostly working with the same group of people that started on the radio show. So it's cool that they've stayed with us and stuff. But anyway, I'm sorry if that was stressful for you, Andrew. I don't think I was really clocking that very much. I was just like, cool, Andrew's on the show now. This is working out great. i don't have to do this by myself anymore because that was the other thing like i was i was kind of a solo practitioner there for a while and that was some dark days there were some days that this show almost came to an end so i was you were you were like a lifeline to me i was so stoked to have you here that basically i'm gonna beat up anybody who said anything mean about you yeah exactly no i mean

i think that uh you know i mean a transition like that is always people people you know cherish that people have a personal relationship with shows like this you know not just our show but shows like this and i know that because i have i mean listen i came up yesterday in our sprawling conversation about media consumption i know i reference it a lot but like i developed quite the parasocial relationship with the lebitard show which is why i kind of continued to listen to it even after it sort of the bloom was off the rose for me because they kept changing they kept the people i loved kept leaving you know and eventually i was kind of like well it's probably not the show for me anymore and i tried not to you know one thing i'm pretty proud of is like i've never like i don't think uh i don't think but i don't think i've ever like kind of publicly gone on like their reddit where a lot of people complain about like this or that or this or that and just been like the show sucks without billy you know like i'll read a lot of like comments like that but like i do understand sometimes when people write into our show and they say something like i've made the decision to stop listening to tbtml be like well that's a weird email to write because i've yeah casually made the decision to stop consuming all kinds of media in my life i've never written a letter to the host or actors of those projects but it is while it can be kind of hurtful or irritating in the moment it really is a sign of i have grown to love this show in a way that goes

beyond just media consumption and it's why people get so upset with us when we say we don't like something that's something that they really like because it doesn't just feel like somebody on the radio or somebody on a tv show said they don't like a thing that you like it's like oh a friend of mine who who i'm really close to is saying something i like isn't good and it really you know it really hurts people's feelings and i i try to try to remember that that like the the more intense the reaction is to stuff the the you know it's uh it's a sign that people feel close to us and that they care a lot about the show and about our opinions on things, which is a good problem to have. Coming from I didn't know if any marching bands were going to actually record our song to 17 years later, here we are, and we're lucky enough to have people who take what we say very seriously. Yeah, absolutely.

And we have two acapella opens to choose from. Yeah, we do. How many acapella opens do other podcasts have? choose from barely one maybe zero they don't have if they're lucky they don't have two acapellas to

rub together you know what i'm saying it could be a show title two acapellas to rub together all right that's gonna do it for today's show but we'll be back here tomorrow more imaginary radio so please do join us for that in the meantime everybody have a great tuesday uh get to high ground if you need to and please remember no mountain too tall and good luck to all

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