Muse

Uh, you're a single guy, aren't you? Uh, yeah. Yeah, okay. What I'm getting at is, I would assume that you don't have a lot of experience, or didn't have a lot of experience handling babies. No.

I had no experience handling babies.

So what was that like for you, when you had to start picking up the babies and all that?

It was bizarre. It was, it was, because there were eight babies, and there were eight stage mothers to go with them, go with them and and the babies were crying and the stage mothers were giving me militant glares and and telling me what to do and i can you hold a baby and and then there were all these different angles going on and and babies to me are very uh strange because they they they don't appear human to me they're sort of they've got their own way of thinking you know they're sort of alien and and i respect them for it but i know that someday they'll grow up and be humans tbtl we are super fun here and i promise i won't stop until this little guy's leaping and laughing like

the other kids i don't know what exactly the attachment is i think they're cute but kind of funny looking i saw a woman psychiatrist and she said it was ocd one cool dude and she understands the way i think right now and everything's cool everything's cool pathetic everybody's happy and i'm happy too okay are you a connoisseur of art i had a painted turtle when i was a kid

yeah okay yeah yeah i'll tell them

that was the silly goose police you need to turn yourself in please clap

all right hello good morning and welcome everyone to a wednesday edition of tbtl the show that just might be too beautiful to live what is this only my favorite podcast of all time my name is luke burbank i'm your host hi everybody coming to you from the madrona hill studio perched high above the mighty columbia bring it back home baby bring it back home where it is an absolutely beautiful january day except oh ma pa it's just beautiful it is real cold and i just got back here moments ago drove straight here from the airport to uh present this show to you all and it is uh it is it's pretty cold here in the matrona hill studio i've got a uh like a space heater directly pointed at my tootsies at my feet so uh hopefully that'll keep me going here through Through episode 4,646 in a collector series. Let the fun begin. Speaking of being extremely cool.

Guess what? You just got into cool guy zone.

I saw that Emmanuel Macron, the leader of France, was at Davos. And that he was giving a speech. And he had on aviators. And I was like, why is this guy being so cool right now? And then I read the actual story. And it really humanized him to me. and it really made me feel connected to him. So we'll get into that. Also, speaking of politicians, Zaron Mamdani is pushing for something related to he and his wife moving into Gracie Mansion in New York. When was the last time you shit your pants? Been a while? And it's, well, it's, for me, I would consider it to be hope and change. So we'll get into that too. And we will talk to this guy, the longest running co-bro of the show, maybe best known for his depictions of the tall ships. He's got Riz. He just does. He's Andrew Walsh, and he's joining me right now. Good morning, my friend. And I can say that today. It's still morning. It is still morning.

That's right. Good morning. Good afternoon. Good morning. Do you remember the silly goose phase of TikTok? That little tape we played in the intro. I grabbed that, and I'm looking here. I grabbed that in February of 2023. Sometimes that shocks me. I don't know if this is relatable to the audience hey audience when you're grabbing your audio drops do you sometimes look at the date you grabbed it and think wow i can't believe that was two years ago i still think that that shocked me as a new drop that was two years ago and that was part of a wave of silly goose

jimpery right yeah yeah that was a kind of a thing which i still find to be charming yeah um i'm not going to like probably fall on the floor laughing but i don't find it it's not like some of the other things that have become became so central to internet life that then kind of like wore a little thin for me now here's where here's where i was and i'm pretty proud of myself andrew and this maybe just speaks to how how sort of aligned you and i are now in terms of our uh imaginary radio making now this morning when i was flying home from california i was uh looking up things on the computer.

and I happened upon that Nicolas Cage tape that we started with. Yeah. And that's him doing an interview about the movie Raising Arizona. A lot of babies. H.I. is... I also had this thought, man, I wonder how those... Because those were... I think that... Were those babies really, like, all from the same family? In the movie, they have, like, eight babies, octuplets, or whatever that would be. I wonder what's gone on for all those Raising Arizona babies, what they've grown up... Ooh, Mel Magazine.

scene where you were around still you could do that article um but anyway i sent you that tape

and then this morning because you again had some extra time waiting for me as i was getting back home you put a brand new intro package together that was by the way top top notch top shelf great thanks but i didn't know i was also i didn't have eyes on you not that this would have helped me but i was i was listening to that with fresh ears so think about this i don't know when the intro package ends when the little pieces of tape stop talking and it's time for me to start talking and um i just had to like and that silly goose tape has like a very long pause in it and so it was like i was like there's gotta be there's probably one more thing it's probably one more thing and then after the silly goose thing ended i was like not yet not i was like ricky tiki tave I was, like, pulled fast in a very scary voice, which, as I've talked about on the show, terrified me as a kid. The Rikki-Tikki-Tave, Rudyard Kipling, like, cartoon adaptation of that.

I only know it as a Donovan song, and I'm not joking.

It's way too scary for kids. Like, I mean, I'm sure that the Rudyard Kipling book, I think, is he the one that wrote that? Maybe not. Anyway, the book Rikki-Tikki-Tave about this mongoose that's got to fight cobras in India, I think, somewhere in the subcontinent. subcontinent um they made it into a cartoon like a kind of a cartoon movie and it was the stakes were way too high for kids to be watching because it's not like you know i don't know it's a cobra is a very terrifying enemy even as a kid you know that um but anyways i was like ricky tiki top i was holding fast because i thought maybe there's one more thing and there was there was a jed please clap yes then when i heard that i was like this is what andrew has

put at the end this is the end but also i knew it i but also because it's funny as i was putting that together i sort of had these thoughts too now keep this was by some count the count in my catalog here that was intro number 1023 now obviously we've done way more shows than that but they don't all have intros we reuse some of these intros but at some point i started making them i think before i was even officially on the show and i just started with intro number one so that was intro number 1023 but they all the music will always swell at the end that's the other thing too it's not going to just trinkle on and I was actually thinking no joke, in the back of my head we did not have this conversation off air but as I was making this by myself before you dialed up I was thinking well he knows because those long pauses because both you have the long pauses in the silly goose thing but then also the jet tape is interesting because it begins with a long pause. For me, the funniest part of the Jed tape is the sigh. Yeah. Please clap. Totally. And the big intake of breath. And so I thought it was a little bit weird, but I knew that you would know because you don't talk until it swells. A woman's psychiatrist. Okay, the woman's psychiatrist. That helps. Also, we both had, what's that wrestler's name? Randy Macho Man Savage. But you were going to play some Macho Man. I was like, you can't. I already have that in my intro. It's the year of our Lord, 2026, and the hosts are arguing about who gets to play the Macho Man tape. That was the Silly Goose Police. But then you listen here, you wait for the swell. You need to turn yourself in.

Please clap. There it is. And that's what I was waiting for. You gotta wait for that. But listen, I was, and I did, and it worked. But I'm just saying that takes, you know, I don't know, 4,000 times doing this show together.

Yes. To just sort of know the rhythm.

For it to be intuitive, for it to just make sonic sense. I just think you throw someone else in this chair, even your friggin' beloved Genevieve, who everyone thinks should be the new co-bro of the show. I don't think that she instinctively would know to wait for the swell.

Would she instinctively know that I'm going to be pulling up some Donovan singing Rikki-Tikki-Tavvy? It's not bad, right?

It is Rudyard Kipling, by the way. I'm just happy that I pulled that one out of the back of my brain. I have a question for you, Andrew. Andrew? Yes. have you considered andrew i have and i will um i got two stories for you uh that have occurred since we last spoke which was probably 17 hours ago uh one involves like i wouldn't even call it a tiktok fight but a disagreement like a thing that i posted on Not a thing I posted on TikTok, but a comment I left on someone's TikTok page that I feel like there was some pushback on. Or a conversation that revealed more about the life of my Uber driver than I was expecting this morning at about 5.30 a.m. in Burbank, California.

Well, not that they're not both intriguing in their own way, but I'm especially drawn towards Internet altercations and awkwardness.

In this case, then, I'm going to have to – this is going to be hard because it's going to involve me trying to find some audio and play it on the floor. You did give me a choice.

You gave me a choice, and now it sounds like I chose incorrectly. No, no, no.

I didn't give you all of the context. Okay. You didn't make the wrong choice, but it does mean I'm going to have to try to SNL, like, food skit. Okay. So there was a – let's see. Like, maybe what we call it.

I can fill here and give you an update on an argument that Genevieve and I just reopened yesterday regarding my internet behavior. Maybe that gave you enough time. Do you remember on this show, I think it was maybe before the holidays. Yeah, it was around the holiday season, though. I told you how some guy posted a joke on his Blue Sky account that was the exact same joke.

So I got this friend that said to you. That's how you can tell your story. I wanted to bring a little Billy Bob into it. That's boring. We'll get into that. Sorry. I'm looking forward to that.

I forgot to separate facts from fertilizer this morning, my friend.

Don't make me open a can of whoop-up. I apologize to you and everyone else.

But it sounds like you're about ready to go. But you remember that guy who basically just took a joke that went viral, like kind of a holiday-themed, somewhat horny joke that went – or not horror, just I guess somewhat blue joke or something that went viral a year earlier and just rewrote the thing on his own Blue Sky account. And I came across it, and I was like, oh. And I wrote underneath, are you the same person who posted this on X last year? Genevieve just will not accept that I wrote that in good faith. It came up either, I can't remember if we were recording it. Oh, I see. She's like, you did not write that expecting him to do anything but block you, or that you only wrote it to aggravate. I'm like, no, I truly, truly thought because you and I had just gone through something similar with joke accidental stealing, I was just like, no, I truly did not write that just to like, I wasn't just being passive aggressive. I truly was thinking you might be the same person on a different platform or maybe you didn't realize that a really funny joke from a year ago got stuck in your brain and you were reissuing it. And so I was shocked when this guy just blocked me. I don't even care about the blocking or whatever. That's not the argument I'm looking to reopen up. But Genevieve just does not think that I did that in good faith. And I just keep telling her, no, I truly, truly wrote that question as a question.

It sounded to me when you were describing it, when we talked about it, I believed that it was a good faith because of the whole setup that you gave me. So I don't want to undermine your home life. Did I buy you enough time? You did. You've bought me enough time for the beginning of this. Okay, so there was a sketch on Saturday Night Live, maybe in the most recent show, or a very recent show, and it's one of the main guys from Stranger Things, the aforementioned Finn Wolfhard. And it's a pretty funny premise And it's basically like Imagine sort of like a Dune or Star Wars Type of situation Where you've got And the guy from Stranger Things Who's in his early 20s Is this kind of like coddled Sort of almost like a Prince Joffrey type And you know the people The various other life forms From the galaxy that he is like That are under his boot Are coming to supplicate to him And to try to you know Plead their case in this sort of Royal Galactic Court But Mikey Day Who we remember from What the F And also he was one of the He was one of the skeletons That danced with David S. Pumpkins He plays like Kind of like the weird Side guy who's supposed to feed Who's constantly feeding The sort of spoiled Space prince You know how there's somebody over on the side Who's like this is the most elegant some such and such from across the galaxy right so I'm gonna play you this hopefully this won't take too long but that's the scene people are you know again people are saying to the Finn Wolfheart the prince we need help with things and he's Mikey Day is feeding him these exotic things from around the

galaxy Chancellor Snooks from cram 9 requests an audience with his grace ah

Chancellor have you come to grovel at your Emperor's feet you are no Emperor Zeb yet here I sit atop a throne surrounded by servants a life woman to kneel at my side I am blessed to be your floor girl my lord a Muscled fool to fan my brow

I would fan you even in death Emperor and a snack man

Sheegan whose only job is to feed me delicious delights. Yeah

An endless array of galactic goodies to swell your belly Indulge sire in these jellied moon balls from food

Feeding him a feeding him a like a marshmallow ball thing So now they're going to go back to space business.

Does it pain you? Does it pain you to be? Another one, Si.

So right as he's trying to get back to the thing, he's giving him another one.

I want to watch you chew. I think I'm good on those. Are you sure, Si? Yes, I think I need to get back to business. Yes, Si. State your business, Chancellor.

I have come to persuade you to lift your blockade on my planet's trade routes. Without solar seeds, our soil starves, and soon so will my people.

Ironic, isn't it? Your people waste away while my gullet is stuffed with Sheegan's delights.

Yes, indulge my liege on this split jelly sphere from Donk. Big bite, my liege.

He's feeding him this next thing, and now Finn Wolfhard is like, kind of can't swallow it. He's pushing him away. It's like, he looks like he's gonna throw up maybe. And then basically the way that the rest of the sketch unfolds is kind of how you would imagine, which is like, every time this guy is trying to get back to the space business, the guy is putting more weird foods in his mouth and he's kind of like, look, I don't want any more of that. That's actually gross. Please stop. I feel sick. It's very live.

I feel like the humor is based on the fact that it's kind of live too, right?

Yes, it's totally, I mean, first of all, everyone, this kid, Finn Wolfhard, I call him a kid, he's in his early 20s, I don't think there was one sketch that I happened to see him in, which, you know, how the internet works now. I've seen half of the sketches from this episode. I don't think there's one that he didn't break up in. Like, it must be really hard to be 23 years old and like in this, on this set with these people that are pretty funny kind of doing all this stuff. So part of it, you're right, he's cracking up, mikey day is everyone's laughing because this is like preposterous what's happening but the premise i want to be clear about this the premise of the sketch is spoiled space emperor brat who's getting fed all of this crazy food but then as the thing goes on he does not want the food he keeps saying to mikey day like stop with the food no more of the food he he is anti the food he i don't want any more delights leave me alone that's the premise of the of the sketch so then i was like scrolling around on tiktok probably last night probably at my hotel and this is what i can't locate at the very moment i see a guy on tiktok and he says basically like he goes does anyone else realize that that sketch where the like the space food sketch or whatever you call it from this week it's totally they're recycling a sketch from 15 years ago he goes i don't even like i don't even dislike the sketch but i just feel like somebody should be calling this out is anybody else noticing this and then he includes a clip of what he considers to be the sketch that they're recycling and for that one i'm gonna have to just i guess describe it for you because

although i don't know it's the cone heads actually the cone heads do uh what do they they consume mass quantities as my dad like to say yes that's i guess i was trying to think of the opposite type

of sketch but i guess overeating okay so so here's okay so let me see i i don't know why okay i don't know why this is so difficult to locate but there is a sketch it's and it's very funny and what it is is it is like set in more like the days of Caligula okay so you have Will Forte is like a spoiled Caligulan and you have Ashton Kutcher is the person who's supposed to feed him grapes okay and it's people it's similar in that people are coming in you know same thing with business to sort of entreat the the the you know the the spoiled uh emperor again but the difference in this sketch is that will forte is obsessed with eating the grapes and loves the grapes and wants more of the grapes and is telling the grape feeder give me more grapes he keeps stopping to have more grapes because he cannot get enough grapes and in fact he literally says i just can't have enough of these grapes he also mentions on the size of ashton kutcher's character's phallus at one point it's clear there's some kind of sexual dynamic to the relationship but basically to me the joke of that sketch is will forte the emperor cannot get enough of these grapes is demanding more grapes and the premise of the sketch that i just played you is is finn wolfhart's character does not want any more delights it's too many delights the guy feeding the delights is overly zealous if anything the guy feeding wilforte ashton kutcher is under zealous because ashton kutcher's or sorry wilforte's character keeps going give me more grapes like he keeps calling on him to give him more grapes so i wrote a comment so we're now we're back to the tiktok post which is like i can't believe that they recycled this sketch and no one's noticing it and i said they have and i'm paraphrasing here but i said something to the effect of they have totally the premises i said they have totally different premises they're literally making the opposite joke and nobody seems to agree with me on that because i don't even i don't even know how to go back and check comments what i know is if i go on tiktok and someone has responded to my comment it just shows up at the top of my little tiktok page and i just see it for a minute and then it disappears i don't even know how to get back to where it is but what i've noticed is that there's been three comments that have popped up and they've all disagreed with me so i guess i'm in the wrong here i mean again you didn't get the full experience but does that sound like they're recycling a sketch to you having just heard my description of it which granted is my my perspective but i have given you an accurate description of what's

happening in these sketches well i guess my problem with this whole thing is and i'm actually going to see if i can help you my problem with this whole thing is i haven't been paying attention

Is this something people care about? No.

I don't know what the joke, I mean, I guess I'm a little bit stuck on, like, what is the joke of either one? It's like both of them are funny premises, I guess. You know, like, I was even going to ask you, I didn't want to belabor it, but, like, and maybe it's just unimportant, but, like, how do they get out of the new sketch? Like, it just seemed long.

Oh, I don't think I made it to the end.

I don't think I've made it to the end of an SNL sketch.

Takes a drag off of his cigarette I don't think I've made it to the end of an SNL sketch In a long time I don't know what the joke is What you're saying Actually ultimately supports the people Who are nagging me Which is It's not so much that there's a specific joke here But that there's a set of circumstances And you were absolutely right When you said that this joke Don't worry about it I'm opening up TikTok I want to see if I can help you get to these comments um i think that like it um i think it comes down to the fact that like these were both like i wish i could play the will forte one because really what sells the will forte one is he is just being a grade a weirdo as the emperor every time he eats a grape he goes and he varies the amount of woo woo he does based on how much he's enjoying the grapes but that's just like is that a joke or is that just will forte being a very funny person in the world yeah and like by the way this finn wolfhart kid he's not up quite up to the will forte tasking of it he's he's just sitting there getting food crammed into his face and it's funny because the food's making a mess so in i guess i am i was too hung up potentially on the the idea that in one case the person being force-fed uh did not want to be force-fed anymore and in the other case the person very much wanted to be fed more i saw that as the joke yeah that's why i was like one joke is you give me less food the joke is that mikey day is overzealous in how he feeds his his his emperor and then the other one the joke was uh this emperor can't get enough grapes and to me the difference in that approach from the two characters made it a different sketch to me it did not feel recycled but the fact that that that didn't come through makes me think i'm probably wrong on this

Well, I just, I'm confused why the person would take the time to even create a TikTok. Well, I mean, why would anybody take the time to do anything? I mean, the stuff I put, you know, I was talking on the show earlier this week. Like, I'm obsessed with my little VHS tapes. And I've started, like, uploading some weird finds from my VHS tapes to TikTok. I've really been enjoying it.

If you consider Tony Danza and Christopher Lloyd looking like absolute smoke shows on a golf cart weird content, And then, okay, sign me up. Two zaddies, one cart? Absolutely. Possible show title, but they will think that we're talking about ourselves.

And I'm not against it. Yeah. Cards, in this case, being pod cart. But I'm interested in what the – so, first of all, I do want to see if I can help you get to find these comments. I probably can. Just go to your TikTok. Open up your TikTok, and near the bottom, you'll see four buttons. One that says home, one that says friends, one that has a plus button if you wanted to upload your own. Oh, by the way, and I'm going to dox you here. If anybody's looking to follow Luke on TikTok, I believe his username is 1X2Z904. You sent me something the other day, and it's from you're from the same. It's a burner account. It's a burner account.

It's so that I can be snarkier on the internet than I think is good for America. I mean, that's honestly what it is. It's like so I can. do the kind of your, your correction that I don't really stand by, but that I

sometimes am in the mood for. There, there. There, there. Your, your. So I think along the bottom you should have five options. Home, friends, plus button means adding new content, and then inbox. And if you hit inbox, are you seeing activity or anything? Yeah, I have a new follower. Somebody new followed me. Really? Somebody followed your burner account? It wasn't me. Although I should follow you, see if I can get into these comments.

It looks like a bot, probably, just based on the profile picture. So I don't see. There's nothing here that, like, oh, no, no, messages. Message requests. I have three new messages. Whoa. No, I just have three. These are all, like, bots.

I don't think I've ever commented on a TikTok before. I wouldn't recommend it. So I don't know for sure where to find this, but I thought it would be under your inbox.

I would have assumed, too. I would think it'd be a message. that's probably something how I have it set up and honestly, it's probably fine because like, again, what I was able to, what I was able to, and you know, here's what I will say about the discourse, it wasn't like, it was fairly civil, so like I said I didn't go like, what an idiot I just said, I go these premises are totally different, they're literally making the opposite joke, that's what I said so I'm disagreeing, but I'm not like, hopefully I'm not making it personal and then I think maybe the guy whose post it was said something like Oh shoot Now this is why I wish I could see it Because he was like Something like Are you familiar with the term Different

I want to see this so bad I'll work on it And you can't search Like You can't find original videos On TikTok Like I can't just type in Like SNL comparison sketch Great You might be able to You think so

I mean I don't know what the But like He said something like It wasn't It wasn't It wasn't mean It was more like I was like Okay this guy's actually pretty smart I don't necessarily agree with him, but it was something like the detail that doesn't define the difference. I don't know. It was some kind of a thing that it was. Again, it wasn't mean, though. It was just kind of like, this is what I think it is. And then somebody else was kind of like, I forget what they said. But none of it, again, for the nanosegments that I caught, these responses to my comment pop up. Nobody seemed like they were really going over the line or losing their mind. Reasonable people can disagree without being unreasonable.

Yeah. And I guess I don't agree or disagree with anybody. I would just weigh in to say that it's not like there is a joke. It's more like there's a funny premise for both of these. And the funny premise does sound similar, but it's just people being weird and showcasing it. And in a show, like, if we were talking about the state, which I think only made, like, this is a sketch show from MTV from the 90s that ended up, like, kind of giving a lot of the people in the state our comedic, I don't know, household names, alt-comedy household names, at least for me and you. But they only made, like, I don't know, 16 episodes or something over the course of two or three seasons. If they were repeating a premise, then I would understand being like, what are you doing here, Thomas Lennon? I think he was in the state, right? But it's SNL. They've been cranking this stuff out. And you're going back and saying, oh, they're doing – not you. One is going back and making a TikTok saying, man, they're making the same joke they made 15 years ago in a show that has to crank out a live episode once a week for half a year. however long their seasons are. It's just sort of like, what a weird takedown for a show that's been around for 50 years. Right.

Well, okay, I got back to it, Andrew. I found it. I said, so I said, the premise could not be more different, literally making the opposite joke. And then the guy who posted the thing said, are you familiar with the phrase distinction without a difference? That was his response to me, which is fair, okay. By the way, 16 hearts for my comment.

16 hearts for your comment. And how many hearts are his response?

Zero.

Okay.

And then somebody named Brandon said, yeah, and it seems like you don't know what it is. Your type of reasoning would be like saying that every premise that contains a cat is actually the same premise. And then calling it a distinction without a difference when people point out that the actual plot and jokes are completely different. So it would seem that someone's coming to my defense. Then someone called Carpet Blanket says it's the exact same premise, but the weird character is the eater, not the feeder. It's extremely similar. So that guy's in the category of the guy who posted it. Now, someone called TikToker, which seems like a very general name to have on this web app. Seems like a very important person.

Is this the original TikToker?

Yeah, is this the Jack Dorsey of TikTok? Holy cow. He responds to the person who said it's the exact same premise. So this person says, no, the joke in the Finn one is... It's.

that the food is disruptive to the negotiation, and in the Forte skit, the food is desired over the negotiation. It's also different source material. Dune versus some historical ancient Roman movie that was out at the time. Okay, see, that's interesting

too, almost a Mad Magazine approach to what SNL is doing. Like, we're responding to what's in pop culture right now, and they were two different premises.

And then, I don't know what this one means, because again, I'm, this is the first that I've ever delved in the comments of a Other than posting the occasional hit and run. I don't really know how these goes, but then what's weird is, so the person, possibly the person in charge of TikTok, a TikToker, who just basically made my argument, then responds again. I wonder if I can't see this. He's responding. So he writes that whole thing that I just read to you about Dune versus historical ancient Roman movie. And then he's responding to the guy again, but I can't see what the guy wrote. All I can see is him. the next thing i see is tiktoker saying to the guy who posted the whole thing

are you familiar with grass oh my gosh and i don't know what that's a ref i don't get what that's a reference is that like touch the grass is this like somebody making fun of somebody i don't know i'm just asking is this like you know go touch grass like like when people want to end an argument but both of them seem guilty everybody is guilty in this conversation of not touching grass in this particular moment so that's sort of weird to maybe me at the highest level of

non-grass touching let me ask you this oh sorry go ahead i'm just saying it's me it's me like holed up in a hotel room looking at tiktok sending a i don't know if it's snarky or not but like a non-positive response and then then coming here and talking about it on my podcast i feel like

i haven't touched grass in a minute what would be this is this is the stupidest question i've ever asked you and i don't think it gets us any closer to the truth but now that i have it formed in my head i want to ask it what would be the opposite of tunes is the driving cat so like just just say that this conversation started with that premise like would it be a dog driving a car tunes is the driving dog no i don't think so it would be a cat preventing people from driving it would be no it

would be a cat well in my mind it would be maybe a dog that is an excellent driver a dog that's an

Excellent driver. Because Toontz is terrible.

Every Toontz is the driving cat episode with the car going over, it ends with a car going over a cliff or whatever. Like that's the joke being, boy, this cat would be bad at driving. And so to me, the joke is Toontz is the cat is horrible at driving. So if we had Toontz is the dog who was a F1, he's racing against Brad Pitt in an F1 race and he's doing well, that to me, just because you had an animal in a car that was going fast would not be recycling Toontz's. It would be a new, I guess, premise, or maybe it would be a new joke anyway, that the dog's a really good driver.

That's like a Zen cone thing, you know? It's like, how many babies can you fit in a tire? What's the opposite of Toontz's driving a kid? It's like a Zen cone head.

Mass quantities of boring content being created by yours truly because of my lack of grass-touching.

All right, good.

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where melody is hope you're staying warm mel thank you beautiful here i even opened up my window a little bit but then when i opened my window like whoa it is cold outside but it's just so nice when it's sunny like that i just love getting a little bit of air i'm starting to get that point of the winter where it's kind of like we need to open some windows you know just generally speaking you just no matter how cold it is like you need air in the house

totally that's very european of you too or particularly very sort of like scandinavian norwegian germanic they love that move which is the particularly at night it's like you open the window the bedroom is like negative 20 degrees but you're under a big feather down comforter which is honestly even as i'm just saying that pretty damn cozy what was your reaction to i'm

going to talk about a scene in Pluribus it's really not a spoiler it honestly is not so but warning anyway I guess I'm going to describe a scene in Pluribus but there's a scene where the main character and her partner it's a flashback scene to the normal times and they're visiting what northern country would that have been I'm going to say Iceland but maybe not Sweden or even Greenland maybe I don't know about that in the before time

when we could go to Greenland, I guess. Or in the future when it's, you know, you don't even need a passport.

Why did I bring up Greenland? Anyway, it's some very icy country. Very, very icy place. And they're on some, you know, and they have money. She's a very famous, popular novelist. And so they're on this very fancy vacation, but basically they are staying in a room that is completely made of ice. It's an ice tunnel and it's beautiful, but it's a bed made of ice. it's a bench made of ice it's ice and they just have to stay bundled up the whole time and you could tell in a certain way it's the height of luxury and adventure but it also was just kind of like you can miss me with that

looked absolutely terrible like and they look up and they see the northern lights remember kind of through the skylight or whatever and I thought there ain't enough aurora borealis for me to sleep on a block of ice like I felt like and by the way that was referenced as like a Rick Steves recommendation

Oh that's right they name drop Rick Steves A couple of times in that show

Yeah that was one of the times that he comes up That it was like recommended by Rick Steves And I was like Okay as a close personal friend That was my Bill Maher Okay new rules As a close personal friend who was recently stood up by Rick Steves After Livewire I can say that I don't think he would recommend That place necessarily because it would be Way too expensive and bougie And like what Rick Steves would be saying is you were going to go to whatever country that is that they're in here are the here are the ways that you can see the most of this country if in your like five days of doing this so it actually to my mind doesn't seem like the place that he's not going like you've got to go glamping when you're in such and such place you've got to go to if you go on safari go to this place where like a bunch of locals you know build you this crazy tent and bring you all kinds of space food that that they force feed you or whatever like that's not his vibe so i thought it was kind of funny that they threw that in but to your question absolutely not like that looked so cold like i was like you there's not i don't care that you're in a blanket you're on a block of ice also

how how hard is that ice right well that i think it's supposed to be norway i think it's supposed to represent norway norwegian ice hotel um so uh first of all i think that's really interesting about the Rick Steves thing as somebody who does not read travel writing I had no idea like that that distinction that you just brought up is actually really interesting I think

I think that's his move which to be honest with you I didn't even know until the like most recent time I was interviewing him on Livewire he was saying that you know because I've read his books before but I wasn't you know when I'm traveling and stuff but I wasn't picking up on this ethos which is like he said something like most Americans get I forget the numbers like most Americans get 14 days off a year and if they're going to spend 10 of those in some European country, I want them to get the absolute most return on that investment of their time versus, like, go all the way out to the hinterlands and find this one monastery that has the most incredible art on the ceiling, because that's going to kill two of your days. Which I kind of found that refreshing. That was, to me, a very like, I don't know, it was an un-precious approach to traveling. Just like, hey, it's a thing that people should do, and let's try to get the most out of it that we can.

Man, it's just reminding me that I still haven't finished that Bill Bryson book that I started reading about Australia before we left for Australia. Oh, The Big Burn or something? Down Under. I just had to look it up here. I guess it's just called Down Under. I thought it had a different name as well.

So many people recommended that book, and I never even cracked it. I got it.

I think maybe somebody sent it to me, or I got it. Maybe I just started reading it digitally. I don't know. But I'm such a slow reader, and also I just don't read nonfiction that much. I just think I really need a plot to get me to try it. Which is hilarious, because I'm the opposite. I know. I know. it really does seem like that's a real divide. I mean, obviously big readers will read all kinds of stuff, but man, I am drawn to like something that gets me to turn the page a little bit more usually than, you know, a collection of humorous, interesting essays by Bill Bryson. It's just like, I don't know, but God, so many books that I have started and never finished. Luckily,

Eric Swalling of Sharpnack, Stockholm, Sweden, Andrew. Look at that. I know. I saw that. It's not Norway, but it's pretty close. That's right. It's a lot closer than...

we are and eric was just hanging out i was gonna say thankfully eric does finish what he started because at some point he thought i should donate to tbtl and then he did and he followed through please don't say finish when you're talking about somebody in sweden absolutely not but eric thank you i mean that was so apropos and then this one is slightly less so but still kind of amazing did you get that joke and not like it or no i didn't get it sorry i was thinking let's let's i think

of finland i think i just wanted to be clear what i was going for they're not arguing that it was funny but as sort of like making it sound like you were calling eric finish instead of swedish

well the that what you heard in my voice was me going did i call him finish oh no you just said it was very possible yeah right yeah no but i was i was like oh man did i because you know i'm gonna be honest with you i do have a difficult time separating out some of these countries that are close to each other in um you know i guess we would say sort of scandinavia broadly i have been to Finland. I've been to Espo, Finland, and it was really... I went to a Nokia like the Nokia headquarters, Nokia phone headquarters. It was for a Microsoft gig. Oh, yeah.

Right before... Never mind. What's that? I just have feelings about that. They basically acquired this proud national... This company that was sort of a proud face of a country, and they just destroyed it in, what, two years? They just destroyed Nokia?

Yeah, and it was so, it was a very weird, like, it was a, you know. So what's going on? I just thought you might want to hear that. It's the Nokia ringtone back in the day.

I saw you looking for something, and then I really thought something went off the rails there.

No, that was actually, sadly, my friend, that was intentional.

That's the joke.

no you're absolutely right i mean that was such a strange play by microsoft i mean i think the issue was they were losing to like the iphone in the devices department they didn't they didn't the phones they were the physical phones the hardware they were building wasn't catching on the windows and so the windows phone wasn't doing it and so they thought well what we'll just do is we'll just go ahead and buy up a company that is successfully making the hardware nokia and then i guess i i don't i i can't imagine that they paid all this money for nokia with the plans of shutting it down i think that they just it was a bad idea you know what i mean so they effectively what happened was they had they bought this company and then they and then they just stopped doing it and in fact and i've told this story before one of the weirdest things was you know we went to make these these video pieces and we went to um hungary as well went to a place It's called Comoron, Hungary, where I spent a day or two in this facility where they kind of, I think they fabricated and boxed up and sent out Nokia phones. So I got to hang out with these really lovely people in Hungary. Wait, Hungary? I think it was Hungary. It wasn't Finland. Those are far enough geographically that I think I know the difference. But anyway, and then we got home, and I even think maybe the whole thing had been edited. and that was when somebody sent an email that said oh no no no we closed that down too that that was close and this was before like the broad shutting down of the nokia thing it was just like oh yeah actually that place with all those nice people that you spent a couple days at that's that doesn't even like we're not even doing that anymore that's that's closed down and that should have my first indication that this thing was going to go sideways but um i don't know how any of this relates to Austria, Andrew, other than the fact that Julia Eiman is in I'm going to go with Vienna, Austria. I'm going to swap the V for the W. Although we call Vienna Vienna. We don't call it We-en-a.

Here, let's see if I can get you any answers.

We would call a German wine a Gewurztemeanor, but is that the V or the W?

Oh, you know what this is? I think this is the local spelling for Vienna. I could be wrong, but when you type That would check out.

Yes, it's spelled Vienna. So when I said Vienna in English, you're actually right, I think. Sort of on the right path, not quite, but thank you for that. Julia's in Vienna. I think. Where they make the fingers. I think. It's where I got mine. God, this is such an international show. We are such men of the world. We're kind of the Rick Steves of podcasting. I'll see you at the Mensa meeting later. Thank you, Julia. Thanks also to Soralia Pollack, who's in Cedar Park, Texas.

bringing it back home to the that's right bring it back home baby back to a place that provides

less confusion for me thank you soralia thanks also to james and eric uh i think it's james maybe james bugle and eric hamilton oh yes who are in madison wisconsin yes james and eric thank you very much very much beautiful madison also I think extremely cold right now. Oh, my gosh. It's getting colder. Can I look it up before we move on? There's about to be a cold wave that's going to sweep across the middle part of the United States, and I'm thinking about everybody who's out there, including Andrew, including... Oh, yeah, buddy. Our next donor, the one, the only, the stew bot, our friend Steve Newman in St. Paul, Minnesota. i'm i would be unsurprised if this misses steve because i feel like he's up to stuff like a lot of our friends are in the twin cities trying to take care of their neighbors and and and stay out there and mutually aid each other and themselves stay safe it is a lot going on for folks out there and we are thinking of all of you including one of my favorite people in the world the one the only the stew bot yeah oh yeah buddy thank you i like him so much that uh that i'm deciding to play the drop that also then goes into his next drop. That's why you keep hearing it, like, cut off at the end. I'm gonna play this in all of its glory, starting with Yeah, Oh Yeah, Buddy. Yeah, Oh Yeah, Buddy. In Soviet Russia, coronavirus gets you. Why do you have those melded together? He's, like, left eye, because I thought, they're not. They just are in order. Oh, I see. I'm, I was, I'm flying around the keyboard here, and I was searching for Steve Newman, and so when I found, like, basically, there's a couple of Steve Newman drops that are just, they come up under the search terms of that. But hey, Stubat, thanks, man. We love you. I hope you and Mandy are staying safe out there and that, yeah, you're doing okay. Thanks to all of our donors. Thanks for making TB Chill possible. Now more than ever, really and truly, like, community really matters. So thanks for, this community wouldn't exist without all of you, so thank you. hello and welcome to top story all rightily i uh i kind of mentioned this a little bit already but um you know with all this stuff that's going on in davos which is you know a bunch of world leaders getting together and trump is over there and stuff i saw i didn't hear what he said but i saw like a video i guess or maybe just photographs of macron the leader of france uh wearing aviator sunglasses and um and then i saw a piece in the new york times explain and i was like is that a meme did somebody like this is how confusing the internet is now like oh was it just a normal picture of him and then somebody superimposed aviators on to make him look more badass because he's inside he's at the like the podium that all of the world leaders are taking their turns

coming up and making their you know comments and i was like that can't be really how he looked in indoors that has to be something that someone's just trying to be like he's a badass he's giving trump the business or something but uh sora what is the what is the ai generative yeah sora good memory sora yeah i thought it was although you know they've now made it so that like you can get rid of that little watermark and it's very small too it bounces around in the corner and kind of comes in and out that's a law that I would support which is like AI, show yourself you can't make it so subtle because that's the idea now we're talking about Sora sorry, that's not me but you know what I mean, Sora Sora not Sora I think Sora not Sora is also a good shout out but they totally like they have this little watermark that is there to let you know that this is an ai generated video but they also make it extremely subtle and very easy to miss um but anyway this wasn't sora this was actually macron wearing these sunglasses the new york times why was macron wearing sunglasses at davos an eye condition not a style choice prompted president emmanuel macron of france to dawn aviators to address the World Economic Forum. This is Francesca Regalado writing in the New York Times. Now, I would say it is true what they've said in the subheadline, an eye condition, not a style choice. But when I read that, my first thought was, oh, he has light sensitivity. Something is going on with his eyes, and it's causing light sensitivity. And, okay, that reminds me, I just made this reference a week or two ago, But I'm always reminded of the one time Chicago Bears quarterback, Jim McMahon, who was the OG badass back in the 80s. And he was like always getting in trouble with the commissioner of football for writing stuff on his headbands and being a wild man. And he wore sunglasses all the time. And the reason the story was that he had injured his eye. Try to say this in a way that's not too sort of awful to consider. But when he was a kid, he was supposedly trying to get a knot undone on his shoes, and he was trying to use a fork to do it. Oh, God, okay. And that slipped, and he injured himself. That's the story.

who knows i bet you if we went back and it could be something else but he allegedly had light sensitivity and what that meant was he wore sunglasses all the time including inside and i'll be honest with you it was freaking badass so i thought well okay maybe macron's got light sensitivity what i was kind of surprised as i read further into the article well first of all when macron goes up at this the uh the the world economic forum stage at davos or at the davos stage stage uh mr macron did not acknowledge his unconventional choice of spectacles during his 18 minute speech which is like that's also kind of a flex like can you imagine like going up on that stage with fully tinted aviators and going like just not even saying like here's why i have these glasses on or whatever just doing your whole presentation like that takes a lot

of confidence well i haven't read this past the headline and so while you were setting it up there I was actually thinking that exact thing. I was thinking, well, if I were up there or if certain people were up there, you'd say, you know, sorry for the informal sunglasses. I'm, you know, I'm dealing with a condition. You've got an eye condition. I feel like I would do that. But it's also like, I don't, I don't know if you know this, I've never been to the World Economic Forum before. I call it Weef, by the way. I'm trying to get that started. Meet me at the Weef. I've got t-shirts made. I'm ready. I'm ready for next year, by the way.

Hey, what's the Weef router in this place?

Yeah, the Weefy. Anyway, so but I was just like, well, maybe it's just such a formal place that you're not going to start with a personal observation or like, you know what I mean?

An explanation or anything personal, anything about your appearance, maybe that would be beneath.

Maybe it's just such a, yeah, serious sort of thing. But I feel like other people, yeah, I mean, Trump is speaking right now. Like, I'm sure he is saying things that are much worse than sorry for wearing informal eyewear. Exactly.

Well, this is, again, and this may be another sort of parsing or sort of another example of where I am on the wrong side of this, you might say, very mild disagreement with this reporter. But the reporter says, A medical issue, however, not the dictates of fashion, prompted Mr. Macron to take the stage in Davos in a pair of blue-tinted aviator-style glasses. Didn't acknowledge them. The sunglasses made their first appearance last Thursday when he sported an inflamed right eye during a New Year's speech to France's armed forces. Please pardon. This is now Macron is talking to the armed forces of France. Please pardon the unsightly appearance of my eye, he told the troops after removing the glasses for the speech, adding that the condition was, quote, completely harmless. So what we're talking about is a guy who's got an embarrassing kind of red eye condition. It is harmless to him. And harmless to other people. It's something medically that's described as sub-conjunctivivial hemorrhage. So he's got some kind of reddening in his eye. The reason that this felt so relatable to me is because I am constantly, even yesterday when I was doing that TV shoot, dealing with something going on with my general head region that makes me feel—

Including your eye for a long time. Including my eye for months and months.

It was a huge arc on this show. Exactly. and like i again i completely related to the idea that he was like one of my eyes is kind of red and looks weird or i don't want to say weird but like i don't like here's what it really is i can just imagine being emmanuel macron and being backstage or maybe more likely being at the hotel and being like of all the days for this eye to be doing this i gotta go on stage at davos and what is the least bad version of this is it to go out there with just my eye is it to go out with one of those kind of pirate eye covers on that eye is it for me to just hold that eye closed is it for me to try to angle that eye away from everyone while still talking into the microphone is it for me to wear aviators and not comment on it i have again i've also not been to davos andrew and i've never been in anything as this public or as important but man do i relate to trying to make the least bad thing happen out of no great options when it comes to having your face in front of a bunch

of people. But I'm confused about what your do you feel like the word condition is being misused here? What did the reporter do that you feel like?

I feel like the setup to this makes it sound like when they're talking about a medical well medical issue okay I'll allow that but it reads to me an eye condition not a style choice prompted it was a style choice The style choice was, I don't want people to see my red-ass eye, and so I'm styling it by covering them with very tinted blue aviators. To me, that's the ultimate style choice. Like, if he had light sensitivity and his eyes could not handle the bright lights of the stage at Davos, that to me would be the medical condition dictating. what he was doing i think this was an aesthetic choice because again i can totally relate to being like what is going to play the least embarrassing to me in this situation and i think this is this is to me a style choice the he wanted to he wanted to feel less embarrassed which i totally understand and so he thought this was going to be the thing that would feel the least embarrassing to him which to me feels like a style choice not a medical choice okay so you have no

issue with calling it a medical condition because it is a medical condition it is technically a medical condition I don't have a problem with that medical and condition are fine it's just the the the words not a style choice I guess I mean I guess that's what's hanging me up you could say well I could just as you like to say and I don't like to say I could just raw dog this I could just raw dog this and just like not wear any glasses at all yeah every now and then we get an email from somebody that's like do you know the origin of that do you know what that means don't further traumatize yourself I got a 31 year old example of it in Los Angeles, California okay now I don't like that soon to be 32 so anyway he could just go without the glasses he could wear a patch he could wear like a pirate looking patch or he could just wear the when I was pre two years old I had to wear little patches over my eye because I had a lazy eye and before I had glasses I had to wear a patch over my eye but I'm pretty sure it just looked like a big like bandage or something like that which probably was not very flattering but whatever you're using to cover this up or not cover it up is some sort of a i guess sartorial choice for lack of a better word i don't know if sartorial makes sense when you're talking about eyewear but um i i guess i guess i'm i guess i can go along with you on that it just doesn't bother me that much i mean the whole article it doesn't bother me it's still worthwhile to say like why was he wearing these glasses yes 100 but you're just saying it wasn't a style choice it's like well no it was a style

choice that was in reaction to something true yes well put and and i don't like i don't have a i don't of course i don't have any problem with what macron did and i don't really have a huge problem with the article i guess what i'm describing is my surprise based on the headline and everything else when i got down to the point where i learned oh he's just embarrassed about his eye you know So like, cause that's a whole, that's a move that I really know. I know well, and I just, I, it's, it's, we don't usually, so I had this, like I had sort of nicked myself shaving a couple of days ago, right under my nose. There's actually a term for that, that little divot. That's so funny.

I was watching Larry Sand, like old episodes of the Larry Sanders show, and they had a whole conversation about what do you call this area right here? And somebody said the cleft. And he's like, no, that's the chin. I literally heard this conversation like two days ago.

I always want to call it like the frenulum, but I think that's more down in the basement. I think that's down in the basement maybe. But I cut myself shaving, and then it wouldn't – well, it healed. It scabbed over, but then when I took a shower – so then I got up yesterday morning, and the scab fell off, but it wasn't fully healed, if that makes any sense. Because if you have a little scab or something I have a little makeup and stuff I can put over it What you can't cover up is something that is still injured Yeah, something that's kind of open to the air Yeah, I don't want to be gross But believe me, I've spent many hours in hotel bathrooms Staring, going like How do I cover this kind of mildly open sore up Because the top of it is not healed yet, let's just say It doesn't have a scab over it So yeah, the scab washed off in the shower but then what was under it was still needing to heal more and so i spent all of yesterday on this shoot trying to like put a little bit of cover up on it but not so much cover up that it looked i couldn't figure out what was the like what's the what's the more what's the more noticeable thing here too much makeup caked under my nose or no makeup and just like a kind of an obvious injury and then i just kept going around and around on it you don't have a fake mustache that you keeping your like kit well here's the thing i really was thinking god i wish i mean i wouldn't have known to grow a mustache in time but i was really jealous of everyone who had facial hair because i was like i wouldn't even have to think about this if i had facial hair it's not like a major thing you would never even see it if i had a mustache and i thought man there is so much stuff if i could grow a beard like you andrew there is so much stuff that's going on down here i have no

idea what's going on under this thing man i'm scared we're talking about couch cushions yesterday Imagine what's happening under this beard I don't want to know

Why is there a crayon and four goldfish crackers down here

Is this a broken Lego?

That would fell out last time you shaved Right I was like, I mean, you know, we've got the whole song here My beard is a face hider I guess I hadn't really fully considered it Until I was looking around yesterday and feeling I think that's a good thing. And the thing, too, is, A, I'm a particularly vain and also insecure person. Those are probably kind of related. The way that I tend to get myself out of that and what I was telling myself yesterday was no one is looking at you as closely as you are thinking they are. Like, it's kind of a good, actually, it's like a really good kind of way to think about, like, ego death. Like, no one is thinking about you as much as you think they are thinking about you, whether it's your appearance, whether it's just there's and that's there's a relief in that. Right. Like I was literally having to tell myself that in my mind yesterday as I was walking around doing these interviews with all these, you know, producers and actors and people. And it's like, you know, it's just because I can get so in my head. It's so and it'd be the only thing I can think about. And then I'm trying to angle myself away from the camera. But the camera guy, Scott, is like, hey, Luke, can you scoot back over? Like, you're like, it looks more weird than I'm trying to, like, you know, we need you on camera for this. Right. I'm like, do we do we? So, anyway, all that is to say, I somehow feel even more, and I already felt deeply connected to Macron, but now I feel even more connected to him.

I have been wondering, because aviator sunglasses are a very specific style choice. Yes, totally. Sunglasses are a choice anyway. And I'm trying to think now, I'm somebody who never wears sunglasses. A couple of times in my adult life, I've tried getting prescription sunglasses. I think because maybe you and I were doing-

Did you get some Ray-Bans that were prescription sunglasses?

No. See, that's the way to go. Ray-Ban would be the style frame to get. I did have some Ray-Bans. Are these Ray-Bans? No, I had some Ray-Ban branded. Oh, yeah, these that I'm wearing now happen to be Ray-Bans, but they're not that classic Ray-Ban sunglasses look. Wayfarer. These are just like whatever. Oh, is that the style, the Wayfair? Yeah, that's the name for that kind of real classic one. Just very iconic, obviously. But it's almost like sunglasses are such a statement that any sunglasses that you would choose to wear, especially in this particular situation, would be notable. But I do think there's some, I mean, aviators really say kind of, and maybe that's good. You go on and think like, what is, I want to project an image of strength or whatever. So maybe it is the right choice. And of course, like Biden would wear those things. But they really are such a specific, I don't, I cannot even imagine me wearing them. I mean, is there anything more funny? Well, sure, there's a lot of funny things in the world. But, like, imagine how ridiculous I would look with aviators on. I don't even know what kind of sunglasses I would put on. I don't think that's true, by the way, at all.

I could see that on you. Aviators?

Sure. Top Gun style?

That was one of the comparisons people were making to Macron, by the way. Yeah. They were calling him Tom Cruise. He kept saying, you're dangerous. No, wait, that was Iceman who said that.

Never mind.

I think you could pull those off. Honestly, like, the thing, it's already sort of too late for me, although I really, well, that's not true. I have pretty much committed, I would say, for the last 15, 20 years, even though I was, what you hear me going around and around on is I pretty much have committed to the Ray-Bans, the Wayfarers. Yeah. But I've had some moments. Remember when I was really into those Persoles that Steve McQueen wore in Bullet, and then an ex of mine said that they looked like Batman sunglasses? I think we were all together.

I remember the conversation on the show.

I think we're at a Mariners game or the race to the horse track or something.

But I don't remember what they look like.

I've been trying to really stick with the Ray-Ban Wayfarers throughout my adult life because whether they're the Aviators, the Wayfarers, anything else, it feels like the key is you just got to commit, and then it becomes like your thing, becomes your look. The other thing that I could have seen Macron doing, I don't know if he needs to wear any kind of prescription glasses, but he could have worn glasses that were more like prescription glasses that just happen to be tinted, like happen to be, I guess that would be like transition lenses.

You don't want that. That is such, no offense. That inside is a worse look than the aviators. That sort of in between that they can sometimes get stuck on or whatever, like a slight tint to glasses, I think is a really bad look. I think you either have to go full sunglasses or clear glasses. I think that I would gravitate towards, you and I would not be able to hang out together because I think I'd have to gravitate towards that Ray-Ban. Hey, we can be Ray-Ban buddies. Did you say Seafarer or Wayfarer? Wayfarer. Wayfarer.

It's in like the Don Henley song, Boys of Summer. Wayfarer's on, baby.

Oh, really? He name drops them, really? I believe he does. What if he had come out wearing like 2026 New Year's Eve glasses? How were they making those this year, by the way? I'm trying to think.

There's still 2026s.

What were the holes? Was it the O and the 6? Obviously, probably the O and the 6. So they were just sort of off-centered, maybe, driving off your face like a train.

2027, he's just trying to get it started early. I'm trying to think of, yeah, some of the things he could have done that would have been more distracting. He's got the Elton John-type glasses on or something.

Yeah, yeah.

I mean, he did.

The thing about those, the aviators that he had on is that they're so Biden-coded for me. And maybe it's because my brain wants to go back to the, like, what I can hold on to as the, like, one or two positive images of Joe Biden at this point. The moments before the fall. Like, kind of. Like, the kind of moments of, like, when I was still, not to get political, but when I was still, like many people, thinking, like, you know, he's more on the ball. or at least he's, there was something about him in the aviators, again, before things really publicly fell apart for him, where it was like, it was like kind of a fun, cool guy move, and it was kind of fun to feel like it's sort of trolling the right a little bit, you know? Just like, I liked that he liked aviators.

And he wore those, I would say he wore those, though, I'm pretty sure his whole, at least, public life, right? Sure. So I don't even feel like it was much of a trolling thing. I think he wore those kind of pre-trolling culture. I think that's just how he looks, you know?

No, you're right, but I don't think he was trolling them, but as, again, in this weird kind of time from when the rumors started that he was not fully, you know, doing particularly well, or I don't know, I don't even know how to describe what was real and not real at that time, because I also think he was still, I still think he was capable of being the president of the country, and I would take him in whatever state he's in right now. But that being said, there started to be this memification of him in the sunglasses on the right. I mean, sorry, on the on the left as a kind of like Joe's got it. Yeah, that's right. And like there'd be kind of like a funny thing where somebody would do something and then that kind of cut to like that image of Joe Biden. So I don't even mean he was doing it to troll. Yeah. But it was it was like the last time I felt like, oh, yeah, maybe we got him. It was like many now, many, many years ago. But Joe Biden, maybe that's why when I see someone in aviators and they're not Tom Cruise or they're not Goose or they're not. Is everybody in Top Gun wearing aviators? Probably because they're aviators. That's what they do. They aviate.

They aviate.

The last thing we'll all throw in today in the show is that Zoran Mamdani has announced the new mayor of New York that his aspiration, as he put it, is to put bidets in Gracie Mansion, the home of the New York City mayor. And this article in the New York Times, by the way, is absolutely packed with data about what's going on with bidets. And it's surprising. America is a real outlier. America is very slow to adopt the practice. And I guess I'm in a bidet bubble because I am very into it. And I think some of the people that I talk to, not you, Andrew, but others are also. But yeah, this New York Times article, was talking about, I don't have it right in front of me now, but he was talking about, like, basically how a lot of other countries, it's obviously been a big thing in Europe for a lot of years and other places, but that America is really, really slow to adopt this and, in fact, may never fully come around to it because it is one of those things, if you don't grow up around it, it seems very weird to you. So I guess in a weird way, Andrew, I've thought of your pushback on it as being close-minded and, frankly, upsetting, but you are in the vast majority of people in this country. I am the weirdo, and you are not the weirdo when it comes to this.

Jen have even installed one of those upstairs, but she's got a little bathroom that she mostly uses herself, so I don't even use that one. I don't even like to... Since it's been installed, I don't even use that anymore. I'm just like, that's yours.

Well, that's what's happened here at my house, unfortunately, when people visit, is nobody wants to go in the bathrooms with the weird toilet.

It just seems very private. Like I said, there's something about sharing that device that I know that... And I know that it's not rational. We share toilets, right? Like, I understand there's probably more contact there, but I'm just saying it just seems like even if I were to use one, it would be like a red Solo cup that I wrote my name on.

Well, here's what I would say also. If you're ever in a pinch, if there's something going on at the other bathrooms in your house, or if you're here at my house, Andrew, you don't have to use the—just because a toilet has a bidet, it does not mean you have to use the bidet. It is a totally normally functioning toilet that flushes like normal and doesn't have to do anything to your frenulum if you don't want it to. So just so you know.

I wouldn't even hold it that close to my face.

I'm mostly saying this to my family members that might be overhearing this and who are now afraid to come to my house. But like a bidet toilet is just a regular. It's like an escalator that stopped moving. It's just stairs now. It's still stairs. You could just go to the bathroom about it and then wipe your backside or pee into it standing up or whatever your plan was that you would do with a normal toilet. You could still do that. You never even have to see that little wand. Never even have to come out.

I just remembered that I was going to share with you a quick comment that I saw. We'll do that as an email segment in a second. But while we're sort of here, in a little bit of the Badlands. Actually, do you have the Badlands? A lot of the Badlands. I sure do, my friend.

Before we get into any kind of feedback from the listeners,

I wanted to ask you what your plans are for this Sunday's NFL football game, the matchup between the Rams of Los Angeles and the Seattle Seahawks, because it's a big one.

Well, Andrew Walsh, it's like dating Squiggy Fromm. It is difficult. I will be in Miami, Florida with Becca. Oh, right. Because we are going early Saturday morning. So Friday night, doing Live Wire at the Reeser Theater in Beaverton. Everyone, please come see us. Lots of seats still available. Guy Branham, fun night. first thing Saturday morning, because tomorrow is actually Becca's birthday. So first thing Friday morning, or excuse me, Saturday morning, getting up, taking a very early flight from Portland to Miami, and then hanging out there a little bit on Saturday by the time we get there, and then Sunday, and then that game is going to be Sunday at 6.30 Miami time. And so when I say it's difficult, I don't really mean that. I mean, it is complicated for me because, first of all, Becca is obviously fine with me watching the game, But I don't have a cohort of people there. And I am a little bit – Saturday night when we watched it at the Eagles, it was so great because the game was never in question. It removed all of the kind of weird stressed energy around a game. In fact, very soon into the game, the main thing became, what's Durs saying? Everyone looking on their phone to see if this had even caused even Durses to feel happy.

That was right away because with the opening – play with the opening touchdown and the opening kickoff uh everybody's like is dur's complaining about this i was joking as he's yep he says that we scored too early end of an era um but so yeah

so sunday night i'm gonna be either at like a sports bar in miami with vex or i will be like in our hotel room um maybe i don't whatever seems more fun to her the thing is that i the thing that i'm gonna have to be working on this is the complicated part is like not becoming a monster

human and not having it be the last thing you do for the evening i suppose too or or or knowing that you can be in an okay mindset because i sort of think saturday night that if you're taking this trip and you're going to be there early next week too but you're doing some work from there so you're real and if this is a birthday trip specifically you're there's probably some pressure i would say probably some healthy pressure to optimize the weekend for birthday times and it's totally

actually self-generated truthfully like it's not even like Becca's not like being a major bummer or being like you better make this weekend fun I just I just have this sense of like I don't want it to be I don't want Sunday night I don't want to be in a pissy mood because they lost or I don't want to be yelling things at the TV uh that I regret or being kind of like in the hotel room it's actually an Airbnb technically in the Airbnb pacing around like a monster well if I can I feel comfortable quoting my brother in what was a private conversation. He said to our text chain this morning, I'm on the hunt for a good place to watch the game. My wife has told me I can't watch it at home because I, quote, stress her the fuck out. Yeah, I saw that.

One of the reasons I was on my mind, because I was like, well, you came up here last weekend for the game because of other reasons, but I was like, well, if your brothers might be joining us at the Eagles, could we have a repeat appearance? That would be the biggest gathering in person of the fun-loving criminals in a really a long time if we were able to like kind of get Camaro there and Roden there again we could even maybe get Durs although Durs I don't think we'll watch any important games at the Eagles because every time he goes to watch a game at the Eagles it's a bad outcome which I felt that curse for a while too but luckily uh that has turned around for me but I I don't know that we would be able to I I would actually honestly just because of the whole I I would actually say Durs don't come to the Eagles because I would just worry about us actually affecting the outcome of the game as ridiculous as that sounds

I mean honestly everybody needs to do whatever we did last week and I'm already violating that rule I'm getting because we're in the Badlands and because we haven't really debriefed on that game the game against the Niners it's very weird because leading up to the 49ers game I was very stressed out about the fact that everybody was saying that the Seahawks were a major favorite that was stressing me out and now this week I'm stressed out because a lot of people think that the Rams are better than the Seahawks. In other words, there is no sort of particular kind of speculation that causes me to not feel super nervous about the game.

Yeah, I kind of – we didn't even really talk too much or maybe at all about Saturday's game with –

our Seahawks but honestly coming out of the weekend and I need to be careful here because there's still probably some pretty raw feelings in Chicago like I almost feel like that Bears loss was more maybe well because of the style of the game and the way the game ended and everything and then going into overtime as opposed to a game that literally had a touchdown on kickoff and then and then the team never looked back like that was a heartbreaker and it was so it was such a weird thing to root for because i was so so heavily invested in the bears winning because i just wanted the bears to win i was just rooting for them as a likable team but then also because i was like the wolf and little red riding hood just thinking like yes and the bears our way like i'd rather much rather no offense but like i wanted the bears to win just because i wanted them to win but also i just think that the matchup between the bears and the seahawks was way more favorable to the seahawks compared to i'm not saying that it was an easy matchup but compared to facing the rams this but on the other hand if you're just going to sort of judge this from like almost like try to back away from the personal feelings we have rooting for our hometown team it almost feels like this had to happen right a rubber match between the rams and the seahawks the nfc west meet up again like it sort of feels like this was always meant to be but man did i

prefer to face the bears yes and i kept saying to people i was like talking to folks because i was in chicago last week doing wait wait and i was talking to a lot of bears fans and and folks that are associated with like the show and i kept saying look and i was saying this to our pal televisions chris hayes too it was like if we could get to a bears seahawks nfc championship matchup and the bears did beat us i would be so bummed but i would be so happy the bears were moving on it would be sort of a balm and i wouldn't have taken as much pleasure in beating the bears because i like that franchise and i like a lot of people who happen to be bears fans and uh it's just like the stakes are just so incredibly high for this game because i don't like the rams and i don't wish them well in particular um that's not true i i don't have i'm i'm i'm i don't feel as warmly towards them as i do the bears and them beating us would just straight up suck there would be no upside to it the bears getting to go to the super bowl there would be some upside a lot of people i really like would be super happy and a city i really like would be super happy i don't feel that way about us and the rams so that just means but if we win by the way that the other side of that coin is it's even more it's even more delicious it's more delicious um but uh but as far as the sort of how i feel about the game itself obviously uh losing charbonnet is not a great development although you know ken walker the third has been looking very very very good and if he can continue to run that hard and they just have to lean on him more and also this guy george helani which i don't even know if he's activated but we had this guy george helani who was really good in the preseason like he was an exciting player yeah he's a running back and he can do a lot on the field i think he's just been lower on the depth track well and i think he was injured but also i think um he just i mean that's why people kept saying like well who who will the seahawks use for the second running back i'm like i don't know whoever the third running back was put them in there like run ken walker the third initially soften up the defense and then i mean running back there's a reason that i don't want to take anything away from ken walker the third or uh charbonnet but like um there's a reason why the position of running back in the nfl is underpaid and undervalued these days compared to how it used to be and it's because if you have a good blocking scheme and a good passing game which kind of opens it up for the running back there are a lot of people that can run for a lot of yards in the NFL it's kind of seen to a degree unless you're Derrick Henry or somebody truly special like name five running backs in the league it's hard to do because it's a workman like position now it's the person who gets the ball and runs really hard into the into where the the small gap has been opened up by your blockers and if they've done a good job you get some yards and if they haven't you don't but like it's not the way that it used to be in the in the days that I was coming up where the running back was like the quarterback was maybe the most important and then the running back maybe the running back was more important than the quarterback for some reason the league

has shifted all that is to say I don't feel great about the Charbonnet thing but I also don't feel like that's that's not like us losing Darnold and I just think our defense is phenomenal and I think our defense is i mean we really shut matt stafford down the first game we we held him pretty well in check the second game we did win the second game because of a total fluke speaking of charbonnet that weird two-point conversion that got picked up if we if that doesn't happen we don't tie the

game we don't win the game like but also also wasn't that sort of a game though that really really was on the back of those two running backs though am i misremembering that wasn't our last matchup. with didn't we like run a lot didn't we take the ball out of Darnold's hands a lot yes and I think

we I think we've been kind of doing that I think we've been doing that actively for the last six games or something I think that there was like a decision that was made probably when Darnold started getting more turnovers yeah with Clint Kubiak that was like look our defense and also by the way our defense is like improved every single week it's just getting better and faster and scarier and like also there is this sort of saying but i think it's probably kind of true which is like defense wins championships like we have the best defense in the nfl and that's i guess i would just say like as nervous as i am about the rams i'd still rather be the seahawks at home with our defense than the rams coming in to play us um you know which doesn't mean i'm like feeling super confident but i'm i still would i'd rather be us than them well let's go back to your

personal life if we can here for a second because that's where that's where things are real good yes real juicy did you and it's okay if you don't want to say but did you say what city you're going to Miami okay Miami so have you thought about going to you mentioned that you could stay at the Airbnb and watch it or maybe go to a sports bar have you done any looking into like actual Seahawks bars so that if it is a loss you're around a bunch of other people who are basically kind of in the same mood as you I sort of feel like that's a place where you can sort of absorb your feelings a little bit and then move on with your evening i'm doing this had literally not

occurred to me i think because andrew miami is geographically almost as far as you can go in the contiguous united states from the seahawks that it even occurred to me that there might actually be a seahawks bar but i should look that up i'm kind of doing a little i think almost every

because i think almost every city has them because like i you know found my browns bar here in seattle When I was in L.A., I found the Seahawks bars. I know that they're geographically not quite. Oh, sorry. Keep going. No, go ahead. What did you find?

I'm seeing somebody called Queen Diva on Instagram said, there's not an official Seahawks bar in Miami, but we're making one tonight. And that's from three days ago. Okay. So that would have been. Okay. So let's see here. But it doesn't, I may have to DM. I have to slide into Queen Diva's DMs to go, where did you make it the official Seahawks bar? because it doesn't say it just says it's like a photograph of her and someone else and they're wearing seahawks stuff and it says not an official seahawks bar in miami but we're making one tonight go hawks 12s for life baby but it doesn't say what the bar is this is interesting yeah because

i'm i'm looking now the seahawks on their actual website they have a link to all the official bar all the official seahawks bars but they're all like kind of in washington state yes i was i was

already surfing that one and not seeing anything like so i don't know i mean the other thing about like a team like cleveland they've been around so long they got so many diehard fans over the years that i i do i would imagine there's a cleveland bar in every major city in america i believe it or not could see a world in which there's not a seahawks bar in miami and then also again it comes down to kind of i don't know the scene that becca is going to have the most fun and maybe we go to a bar and watch it where, of course, what do you think the chances are there's going to be a bunch of Rams posures in a Miami bar versus a bunch of Seahawks fans? I feel like there's going to be a lot of Rams people there. You feel like there's going to be more Ram

country. I did find a list from, but this isn't looking super promising, but this is the Seahawks subreddit. I can't tell what year this was posted. Oh, this is just their wiki. So that means they probably keep this somewhat up to date and it's just a list of a whole bunch of different states and cities and where the seahawks bars are and the one that is listed for miami and this is going to take more like i want to research this for you because i did this for myself and other states um is a bowling alley called splitsville but it looks like it's kind of more of a hipster modern bowling alley yeah one of those lucky strike yeah i mean the the imagery on its website is very like kind of leaning into the classic vibe of old school bowling but But to have this style and design, you can tell that there's somebody who's embracing it from a more modern standpoint, sort of, you know. But it says, not your typical bowling alley menu. They have pizza and burgers or whatever. And I'm looking to see under events, are they, let's see here. They might not even be in Miami anymore. I think they need to update their thing. I'm only seeing.

What I could do, we could go to Key West.

Tampa.

Okay. All the way down to Key West. And then if we lose, I could just get in the water and start swimming towards Cuba. It's only like 60 miles. They've got a sign.

That would be interesting.

Well, the funny part, Andrew, is I've watched a Seahawks game in Miami within the last like four and a half weeks. I watched it at the Clevelander, remember? Oh, that's right. Yeah. But it wasn't. That was a weird game. Well, first of all, they had like there was like 10 games going because it wasn't the playoffs. And.

I wasn't wearing any Seahawks gear. I was just at a table by myself eating fish tacos, watching that on one of like 50 screens. There didn't seem, there was mostly playing a regga tone music. It didn't feel, it didn't feel almost like they had the games on, but it almost wasn't like the emphasis of what was going on in the place. So, I mean, it's also the chance. I mean, our Airbnb is like an apartment. It has a balcony. It's got a kitchen and stuff. It's presumably got like a TV. Like it's, so that would also not be the craziest thing to just maybe get some food or make some football snacks and kind of watch it there. Again, what I've just got to, A, I've got to check in with Becca about what sounds fun to her, and B, I've got to really, really keep my behavior in check so that I don't, A, let the outcome, if it's not great, ruin my week and my weekend, and I also need to not just become energetically someone who's very kind of unfun to be around. You know, just even in the watching of the game, like I can't just be like screaming and yelling because like I know what that's like. Like you pick up. I don't like it when the housekeeping person knocks too sharply on my door. You know, it doesn't take much. So that's, you know, and where we like where we here, you know, in the Portland area, probably it'd be a thing where I was just going to watch it here by myself or maybe I'd go to a sports bar in Portland. But it's like it's not watching the Seahawks is not a thing that Becca and I particularly feel the need to do together. but now here we are, we're going to be in the 305 together when the Seahawks are playing the most meaningful game of the last, what, 10 years for them or something?

You know what? I have a whole new outlook on this. I got too obsessed with the idea of finding a Seattle Seahawks bar specifically, and I thought, well, that way, if it's the worst case scenario, you don't have to Elian Gonzalez or op. Reverse

Elian Gonzalez myself.

A classic reverse Elian. but shout out to the 20 people who get that but i um but you know it is a game this isn't regular season this is a game that will be the only football game on this will be the only thing on any tv in any bar that has televisions most likely so what you're gonna do is now i'm actually getting jealous now i'm actually wondering if me and david should just go meet you in miami i don't I've never been to Miami before, and I really do like Florida.

It's an easy six-and-a-half-hour flight.

But just go to a beach bar. Go to a bar that is kind of half inside, half outside. If Becca's not super into the game, she can have a table, maybe even a chaise lounge or something. I don't know how to say that. Just say lounge, probably a chaise lounge. And just like, you know, some frozen cocktails. You can kind of stay in the more shadowy area underneath the roof, that the thatched roof and like you can be rooting on the team this is what you this is what you

want this is yeah you know i think you're right i think you're right now the only bummer is it's like that the place that cleveland or that i went to and everything along that strip which is like like south beach you know right in the heart of south beach the the only i love what you're saying here the problem is it has real like college bar vibes you know what i mean it has real kind of like you can definitely order some kind of drink that they bring out in like a plastic cup that has some kind of light in it that's lighting up the cup while someone's blowing a whistle and giving in like the waitress is wearing a very tight fitting outfit kind of a vibe like kind of sticky floors not like i i wish there was something that was like a fun and you know what i just need to do my research but i'm sure there's got to be a fun beach bar that's not that because that's what the clevelander was and i was like no thanks no a more grown-up fun beach bar you're right though like i hear what you're saying which is like it in a way in a really healthy way de-emphasizes the seahawks just enough i can see the game i can see what's going on but i can be reminded that um there is life after seahawks and that we have the atlantic ocean right over there and that might also not be the the least uh that might be a nice thing for becca too to have other kind of interesting things to go on maybe she takes a stroll up or down collins or ocean or whichever one of the streets we end up on. But, yeah, maybe just making it a beachfront experience where hopefully – now, you know, the last time – oh, my gosh, this takes me back. I watched the Seahawks lose to the Niners when we got stoned on the one-yard line. I don't know if you remember this game. I don't know. And I was in Tulum, Mexico, and I was watching it, and there was the only people – and this was either a playoff game or it might have been the last game of the season that that stopped us from going to the playoffs it was like this at the end of this game things were over for us but we we still had russell of course i believe i think and the game ended on fourth and goal and us trying to go to the goal and the niners stopping us on the one yard line i think i want to say on a quarterback sneak or a pass across

the middle and i will tell you i think it helped to be in tulum mexico i think it took the edge off like i think it like because then i just like well i guess i'll rent a motor scooter and go drive down to a cenote like so maybe that's yeah i've got actually some history of watching these games because of the time of year they happen i've got some history of watching them in in tropical places

and and maybe that's maybe that's the way to go maybe that's the reason i'm getting so excited for now my trip time to miami when i meet you down there because i now it's a little bit different because Genevieve likes football more than Becca does. And so Genevieve will get into this too.

For the record, Becca is not anti-football. No, no, no. But Genevieve doesn't have a strong opinion.

But Genevieve would get excited for it. You know what I mean? So I'm not trying to disrespect anybody. So I remember she and I were in Mexico for some, you know, it must have been some Sunday. And this is going back probably 10 years as well. And I don't remember the details of the game at all. What I remember is getting a bucket of beer. And, like, there are so few occurrences in my life, even while on vacation, that getting a bucket of beer makes sense, especially if it's just the two of us. But there's something so nice. And I do believe this was, like, an outdoor bar, but that was totally covered, you know, like, again, with some sort of a what did you how do you describe the grass? A palapa. Is that a palapa or whatever? So you can totally see the TVs, tons of TVs. But we're also, like, outside and you're parking yourself there for three hours. So, would we like a bucket of mini Coronas or full-size Coronas or whatever it was? Yes, please.

Por favor.

I was trying to remember how to say it in Spanish.

I nailed it. I'm on the map here, and I'm just looking at where the Airbnb is and what's walkable, what's going to be near us. Yeah, this is going to be a mission. I'm going to definitely—because also, we're not staying exactly—well, we're not very far at all. In fact, we're very close walking distance to all that stuff I was near last time. But, yeah, you know, Andrew, I think we've actually we've done some important work here, not so much for the listeners, but for me and for Becca, which is that's the move probably more so than like because, I mean, there's already going to be enough me being in the Airbnb room talking into this microphone to you and to Livewire and stuff like that. like we got to cut down on the time when that's happening just being outside in the world enjoying the world is is the world of of miami particularly because that sunday is also now granted the game doesn't start till 6 30 which actually that's a that's a lucky it's a lucky thing because like there's one really nice day on the calendar and it's sunday and if like somehow the game was at like 1 p.m on sunday now i guess we could do the beach bar idea but you know what i mean like if if the one reliably beautiful afternoon was me like pacing back and forth indoors where i could see a tv that would also really play poorly so yeah then it's it's an evening game on the east coast it's an evening game out there in miami it's 6 30 so things will the sun will have set it'll be it'll be uh you know um it'll be manageable i guess so that actually

sounds really great i'm excited for you find the right place this could be magical yeah oh well

Well, you'll get a full update on Monday. Nice. It'll be like... I'll probably get photos of paradise. I think you will. And depending on how the game goes, the text's either of the very angry or the very jubilant kind, or maybe both within the same game. That seems like the move.

Do me a favor. I know we're running long. Just hit that. I'm going to make this real fast. I got the sound effect ready to go, bro. Hit it.

Oh, once again, with the email. Every week, I hope that it's from a female. Oh, man. It's not from a female.

All right, we've got a message from a listener of one kind or another.

It's more of a question than a comment, more of a comment than a question. No, I just saw something on the TBTL Slack, which, by the way, if you ever, that's kind of where a lot of social media conversations about and with TBTL happen these days. You can go to tbtl.net and look for the Slack link on our Contact Us page.

The Facebook page has been It's been absolutely It's gone deep It's on deep cover Yeah it is

I literally can't You can't find it I don't think I know how to get on it

Like sometimes when I'm doing that jogging thing For the thawn I have to try to re-find I have to ask permission again I mean peace and love Whatever's going on over there You know hey we don't run that thing

It must be dark It must get

It is impossible to get to the Stens page anymore If you're not already on there I guess who knows why or what But like yeah So the Slack is a place where people where people who aren't already on the Stens page can interact if you're wondering where the listeners be.

And I saw a note here from listener Karen that I'm going to share with you in a moment, but it also brought something to my attention, and I thought as a longtime public radio nerd, this would hit you where it hurts as well. Did you know that Dr. Zorba Pastor's show was canceled on Wisconsin Public Radio about... six months ago and were you not a disorb a pastor not ring a bell to you was was uh no i don't know

the the dr zorba pastor lore i don't i don't know much about it either i wasn't a regular listener to it but i just think of it as one of those old school you know midwest public radio shows that was produced out of wisconsin and then you would hear it you know you could hear it depending on which stations around the country happened to carry it but it was distributed and you would hear it i don't know like on a saturday at some weird time and i can't remember what it was called right now it was like something with dr zorba pastor or something yeah it was called zorba pastor on your health on your health exactly and um for your health for your health speaking of

faith um wow what happened what did the what did the listener say that they uh anyway budget stuff

i think so anyway but their their note so anyway dr zorba pastor is not one to stay down and is now podcasting independently, I believe. Oh yeah, you mean stay well with Dr. Zorba Pastor. Stay well with Dr. Zorba Pastor. So anyway, Karen says, now this is how it comes back to us, on a recent episode of a different podcast, Dr. Zorba Pastor's new one, for any Wisconsin public radio listeners, Zorba said that he likes to listen to an old-timey radio show about an insurance adjuster. Oh my God. And I knew it was going to be Johnny Dollar before he even said it. We have kindred spirits in the good doc, says Karen.

Maybe we can get him on. Maybe we can do it. We're always talking about cross-promotion on this show, Andrew. That'd actually be really fun.

That'd be fun. I'm not super familiar with the Marvel Cinematic Zorbaverse, but I would familiarize myself with it. Absolutely.

And Lord knows, I don't go to the real doctor enough. I mean, by that, I mean my physician. Yeah. I just found out something that we have all kinds of acupuncture and massage that I supposedly can get. the executive director of LiveWire was like, hey, everyone make sure you're availing yourselves of basically our insurance it's such a big part of the budget of the show. They're like, if we're paying for this everyone try to go to this, okay? And I was like, oh, I should do that.

Get yourself a massage. There's one right around the corner. There's actually a couple right in my neighborhood that you might want to check out.

I wonder if those are in my plan. Kaiser? Do they take? I don't know. Does Healing Hands take Kaiser?

I'm not sure. He'd get you a foot massage too if you're

Does Zorba Pastor, critically, does Zorba Pastor give massage? I mean, I don't know if that's part of his sort of education. I know that he and his wife have been involved in the Tibetan independence movement since the 1960s. That's all on the, man, Zorba Pastor's got a robust Wikipedia page, too.

Yeah, and I don't know Zorba Pastor's age. I truly don't. I don't even know what Zorba Pastor looks like. But if you were doing a radio show.

It looks exactly like you would imagine Zorba Pastor would look.

So my guess, I was sort of thinking, like, 35 years on the radio. And if, you know, I think that I saw it was budget cuts. I don't think it was him walking away from his radio show. You could see yourself retiring, right? But he is drawn to the microphone. I'm just sort of assuming that he's retirement age.

He has, Andrew, maybe the most, like, intense Cisco Morris vibes you have ever seen. ever seen he's got a he's got a beautiful mustache yes he's a kind of uh you know he looks like he's a relatively spry yet somewhat diminutive guy with a with a beautiful stash and a and an obvious charisma like he it seems like the cisco of medicine in the midwest oh la la i love that the cisco beautiful purple balls people call in about that sometimes to doctors that's right yeah Does this look infected?

He goes, oh, you've got beautiful purple balls. Which is one of the reasons he was pulled from the air, if I understand it correctly. They just tried to save his dignity by calling it a budget thing. No, I don't want to joke about this too much, but it looks like he wrote a very, very nice sort of farewell note to his listeners about six months ago.

My guess is that he's doing this and still doing it for the love of the game. The guy's been a physician for many years. I'm guessing that he, you know, at his age could—he's, I think, about 78, it looks like—probably has worked a hard, a long life of working diligently and probably financially is able to retire, but has yet to, at least from this stuff, because he loves doing it, which is very, very different than me. Yes, exactly. You just want your bag, as they say. I will never be able to retire. In the words of the Tiger King, I will never financially recover from this.

Let's get out of here.

All right. Hey, thanks for listening, everybody. We are going to be right back here tomorrow with more imaginary radio for you. So please join us for that. I want to talk about aspirational clutter.

tomorrow right has this made it on to uh spotless yet i know but interesting concept i tried to read your i tried to read the article that you sent me but it's behind a paywall so i couldn't but i'm really interested in hearing about it and it may relate to something that is now sitting in the middle of our dining room table that i like and thought it was accidental decoration that i I was ready to keep, but Genevieve thinks I'm out of my gourd.

Uh-huh. When I thought of you, not because I think that you have a lot of aspirational stuff, but I know you talk about your attachment sometimes to things and knick-knacks. So we'll talk aspirational clutter tomorrow, and we'll do some Blur's days, and whatever else comes into our little brains. So please do join us for that. In the meantime, everybody have a great Wednesday. Stay safe, thinking of all of our friends in the great state of Minnesota, and please remember, no mountain too tall.

And good luck to all.

Oh, hey, guys. It's Joel in Chicago, long time and first time anythinger. And I was inspired listening to the last episode to do this.

I wake up in the morning and I roll out of bed. I consider shaving, but there's too much face on my head. Cause my beard is a face lighter My beard hides my face My beard is a face lighter My beard hides my face

There you go. There's your death count beard face

Power out