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So let's fire up the Batman-mobile, go to a taco stand, and eat some feelings, OK? OK, I just, I think it's Bat-mobile. Batman-mobile. Bat-mobile. That's what I said, Batman-mobile. You're putting the man, there's no man. It's just Bat-mobile. Bat-man-mobile. Bat-mobile. Drop the man. Batman-mobile. Bat-mobile. Bat-mo-mobile. TBTL. Do you have any music, Carl? I have the internet radio.

I love internet radio. You've come to the right place, because I have that. My podcast is on life support. Hey, I need new listeners. Don't speak. No, no, don't speak. Please don't speak. Please don't speak. No, no, no, go. Just watch. Don't speak. I'm starting to feel like a corn dog at a hot dog party, and it ain't flattering, I'll tell you that.

All right, hello, good morning, and welcome everyone to a Wednesday edition of TBTL, the show that just might be too beautiful to live. Now that's interesting. My name, my name is Luke Burbank. Here's my sweet stash, let's freaking party. coming to you from the madrona hill studio perched high above the mighty columbia where it is another absolutely beautiful day which oh ma pa it's just beautiful allegedly the temperature will be down a bit today so it'll be kind of the exact perfect temperature today i think it's gonna be maybe in the mid 70s or so here high above the mighty columbia i do not have the dogs here in the studio with me, Gigi or DJ, because we have some landscaping going on. There are certain parts of this yard that I am simply not up to the task of dealing with, and we got some folks working here today, and they're doing that work right outside the studio, and DJ was just going to absolutely lose her mind, I should say. So that will be going on in the background here as we've arrived episode 4,756 in a collector series let the fun begin day three let's see sunday monday tuesday i guess day four of me having this cold i thought that um it was going to be better this morning and i'm even if i sound like less stressed than usual it's because i'm drinking elderberry lemon balm immune plus stress with ashwagandha for aptogenic support so you'll hear a lot of that in my voice as i'm doing the show uh by the way i was going to mention that there is a new podcast out that i wanted to recommend for everybody yeah everyone's got a podcast i guess kind of is a weird thing to do on our podcast but i use this as a place to tell people about other podcasts but i trust you all i trust you to both uh eat your daily recommended amount of tbtl and then go off and listen to other podcasts so we'll tell you about some of those and we'll tell you about this guy oh hey y'all said my name longest running cobro of the show maybe best known for his depictions of the tall ships he just got back from an automobile adventure oh and the adventure begins again and i am absolutely dying to hear it he's andrew walsh you're joining me right now

good morning my friend good morning luke i know we have a lot to get to including said automobile adventure which i'm excited to tell you about having said that i just stumbled on something the past 15 seconds or so that i cannot stop thinking about yes i just texted you a screen cap the profile photo that they use of actor danny aiello on the rotten tomatoes website is a it's rotten war crime is that why they call it rotten tomatoes you didn't know it's about the

profile pictures what are they doing to him what is going on in that photo well this raises a really interesting question if you are an actor of the level of danny aiello should you on rotten tomatoes or imdb or those kinds of places should your photo be the most up-to-date photo they can get so as to be the most accurate depiction of you in the year of our lord 2026 or should it be you

at like purple rose of cairo and that is actually the reason i ended up here by the way that little piece of tape that we just played was from the purple rose of cairo the don't speak don't speak don't speak and i knew that it was um uh madeline khan no that's exactly what i was trying to look up it was um i thought that was from like young frankenstein or something it's diane wiest and she is saying it to um john cusack's character isn't he the isn't he the young man in that i swear that's i don't have the tape in front of me and i have to stop the music to play it but i was trying to figure out who plays like the the somewhat aging ingenue in that movie playing that and i believe that's diane wiest but as i looked it up i saw that danny aiello is also in there and i'm just looking at like the google search results of the cast of that movie and i'm Like, why is Google using this photo? I mean, he's unrecognizable. First of all, he...

It is up to date, which I have no issue with that. But, like, he's wearing some sort of sunglasses, and he's squinting. He's looking right in the camera, and he's squinting in a way that looks like he's playing, like, an evil character, like, burying his teeth or something. He looks like a warped evil headmaster in some sort of a film. Well, he's got veneers in part of it. Oh, those are veneers. Okay, well.

So there's something uncanny, because he's at the age where your teeth should have a little wear and tear on them. And these teeth have none of that. I didn't know that.

But there are so many photos of him. And he's unrecognizable. He's unrecognizable. And then I come to Rotten Tomatoes and I see that when you look at their profile, it says their highest rated movie and lowest rated movie. And the highest rated is The Purple Rose of Cairo. I would not have expected that. I would have expected it to be like a gangster movie or something. Isn't he in one of those gangster movies?

Well, he was in Moonstruck. He was in Do the Right Thing. He was in Hudson Hawk. That's probably where you know him. Oh, no.

He was in The Last Dawn. I'm scared to go back to that. Have you watched Hudson Hawk in a while? Were you a fan of that? Huge fan. This has come up on the show. I'm scared to go back. I don't think I can.

I want to leave that right where I left it, which is an amazing movie starring Bruce Willis and Sandra Bernhardt, I believe.

Is that who it is? I don't ever remember anymore. Maybe Diane Wiest. I don't know. Could be Diane Wiest. The thing about this is it means Genevieve wins this one. Well, a long time ago, I got myself a tube of toothpaste.

I think I'd maybe. This is how most Hudson Hawk related stories start.

I think I just got it out of the, I don't remember exactly what the situation was. But for the longest time, Genevieve had her toothpaste, which was something that is like, it's fine, but it has, it seems somewhat clinical to me. A pro-namel, I want to say, something like that. Oh, yeah, yeah, sure. And I'm just like, I like this, whatever reminds me of my youth, something stripey, maybe every now and then some close-up with that cinnamon flavor, hoping that I get kissed or something like that. I just like to go shopping for that. Someday. Someday. And there's something about pro-namel that just didn't seem really fun for me in the bathroom.

It feels like a dentist definitely told you, you need to start using this.

Exactly. So I would always use my own toothpaste. And then one day Genevieve saw that I was just using hers. I didn't buy any more. and she said this is years ago and she just came in she said I see I've won and I said what do you mean you've won she's like you're using pro-namel I'm like it wasn't a it wasn't a contest I was just buying the toothpaste I see I've won like she really took that as like a victory for her that I was using pro-namel whereas I just sort of saw it as apathy on my part

it's a war of attrition yeah you won that

I ran out of toothpaste

much like my enamel it's a war of attrition

exactly And now I'd like to professionalize it. By the way, I just use cake frosting now. It's so much better. It tastes so much better. Take that, teeth.

That's something Homer Simpson would say. But all of that is to say— So how does Genevieve win in this Hudson Hawk conversation?

Well, because, I mean, I don't know if she can hear me through the door or not right now. But when we were first dating, you go through those growing pains early on of he likes these kinds of movies, she likes those kinds of movies. We fit into the usual stereotypes of this one. like Genevieve was like I just like popcorn movies she she and by the way I admire this about her no joke like she just has a wide taste in movies and can appreciate all kinds of movies and like has I would say at this point better taste in movies than me because it's she has a more of a universal taste and a universal knowledge of films but when I met her I was like my little rotten snobby self who only would watch like you know Vim vendor films you had moderate to severe jarmusch yeah exactly and uh and i we would get into so many arguments that i think i did maybe quote-unquote make her watch hudson hawk i think we watched it together or she had seen it no i think it was one of those where i was like we have to watch this movie like this is an important movie and uh and she hated it gummo fits in that category as well but i stand by gummo um but i do not think i can stand by hudson hawk anymore and this was a ongoing thing for years of me trying to defend Hudson Hawk and it's silliness and it's, you know, it's, it's sort of genre bending this and everything. But as I talk to you about it right now, possibly in the privacy of this conversation or possibly being spied upon by my beloved outside the door, I got to say, I think she was right on this one. There's not one fiber of my being that wants to go back to seeing Bruce Willis doing some sort of cheeky song while he's breaking into a bank or whatever it is.

eddie hawkins is on parole and just wants to enjoy a cappuccino but his plans are constantly interrupted he and his partner tommy fivetone messina played by danny aiello are blackmailed by the cia and ice and a psychotic wealthy couple darwin and minerva mayflower richard e grant and sandra bernhardt by the way that is great casting for a psychotic wealthy couple. Who's the other one? Who's the nun? Richard Grant. If you Google him and you see his face, you'd be like, that guy. He's this British dude that's in a bunch of stuff, but nobody knows his

name. Oh, yeah, yeah. Oh, yeah.

He must have been pretty young, huh? The Mayflowers are attempting to assemble pieces of a legendary Leonardo da Vinci machine that can turn lead into gold, and they force Hawk to do the dirty work of stealing the artifacts. Hawk and his partners synchronize the timing of their robberies to popular songs, like swinging on a star and side-by-side instead of relying on high-tech gadgets. I'm not kidding. This doesn't sound like the worst plot for a movie to me.

Actually, now you got me again. Luke, I hate to say it, not unlike Bruce Willis, who was just trying to enjoy his cappuccino, I think I'm back in.

Maybe you and I can watch it together in Ohio. Oh, let's do a riffs track on that or whatever the generic term for that is.

Yeah, because again, I probably watched it when I was, I'm going to say like 14 or 15 I was in for anything Bruce Willis related Because of Die Hard So me and Peter Williams We would rent movies every Friday night Videos and we became Obsessed with Die Hard And so then I think we were kind of going down The Bruce Willis rabbit hole You know the one part that we never got to That might be interesting to revisit Would be Moonlighting Oh I love Moonlighting

It's one of my favorite movies

So you've re-watched that in adulthood that TV series.

Oh, shoot. It's him and Sybil Shepard. You're thinking of Moonstruck. Why do I keep doing that? You just, you said Moonstruck before, I believe, and I was not. Yeah, also a Danny Aiello film. I always get them confused. Moonlighting, I think I tried to revisit as an adult.

Bruce Willis, Sybil Shepard. It's where the will they or won't they thing was kind of born, I think.

And, you know, I always liked Sybil Shepard. You know, as a young man, I think I was drawn to her. She was very much kind of my type. I loved her hair. I love that hairstyle and everything. She was very gorgeous. And so I remember like kind of dipping in on mood lighting here and there, but it wasn't really age appropriate for me, I think. And then I did go back as an adult and thought, oh, now I can start this from the beginning. And I did start it from the beginning. And I think it's important to note that you shouldn't judge a show, especially an aging show like that, based on its first couple of episodes or its pilots. Because those things take a while to find their chemistry.

And in those days, they were giving them 35 episodes. Yes. a lot of cocaine they're like we'll figure this out by the 10th episode now you might get eight

episodes yeah so um i remember trying to watch like the first episode or something and being like okay this is not working for me in this given moment it seemed a little clunkier than i remembered i just remembered as being like the definition of just like sultry kind of like like the chem and not just like that because they're both good looking but like i remember them having a chemistry between them right that's the whole point of that show yeah i've never watched

an episode of Moonlighting, but what I know is that there is a sexual frisson between Sybil Shepard and Bruce Willis that's undeniable. I just know that from hearing adults say that when I was like 10. Having never watched it. Is somebody a private investigator?

I feel like he's a private investigator. Does he work for her, maybe? I don't know. Now, let's look at, okay, you're the man behind the computer today. I've already broken my computer by conjuring this photo of Danny Aiello, which is just cruel to me. And I'm not trying to be cruel, by the way.

So back to my question, as I'm Googling Moonlighting, so you think that the photos of actors should represent the version of them that we picture in our mind, not their current version of them?

I mean, it kind of depends, like, what their status is. If they're still working and they released a big movie last year, I mean, this is still kind of what you're saying. but like you know and they're working but I don't think Danny Aiello has worked in a while and this doesn't represent any of his characters and it's not a good headshot that's the thing it's not even a current headshot it's clearly like him like kind of like I make this face all the time when I don't think I'm being observed he's like wincing into some lights that are hurting his eyes despite these I mean listen the sunglasses he has to take the blame for like he chose those he put those on his face presumably

the problem is I believe they're transition lenses they lenses that have not transitioned out of the indoor or into the outdoor

or whatever They're somewhere in between. And he's just like wincing with these veneers. But it's like he's on the red carpet somewhere. He looks confused and angry. And I just don't think that that is the type of photo you should be using for this. I just think there's a lot of context that would go into it. But if you want to use a current photo, it should still be a publicity photo, I think. I'm sure this was the cheapest one they could find. Or maybe some, I mean, Rotten Tomatoes, are they even thinking about that? There's probably just some internet scraper that is just grabbing these and sucking them in, right?

You be careful how you talk about Rotten Tomatoes. You know it's my mother's entire world view on movies.

That is a good point.

She's like, you know it got 80% on Rotten Tomatoes. I'm like, who even told you about Rotten Tomatoes, Mom? His lowest rated movie.

by the way with four percent splatter rate is reach me 2014's reach me so that's pretty late in his career i'm sure he has a very small role in that whatever the hell it is by the way um they

are in uh detectives in moonlighting the uh cases investigated by the blue moon detective agency and it's two partners madeline maddie hayes played by sybil shepherd and david addison played by

bruce willis okay there you go so they're partners i for some reason i thought the power dynamic was that he worked for her but I think I'm wrong about that no no you're not wrong

the stories the show storyline begins with the reversal of fortune of Maddie Hayes a former model who finds herself bankrupt after her accountant steals all of her liquid assets she is left with several failing businesses formerly maintained as tax write-offs one of them is City of Angels detective agency helmed by the carefree David Addison okay the pilot and the first one-hour episode David persuades Maddie to keep the business and run it as a partnership so interesting so she

does wow I'm kind of okay look at that I had a a kernel of truth in my assumption from that show from the 80s right started in the 80s goes into the 90s yeah 85 through 89 oh okay doesn't even

make it to the 90s so there you go theme song by Al Jarreau oh gee uh it was a big hit it was a big

hit I can't picture it I'm gonna look it up here moonlighting not the song is called moonlighting by Al Jarreau. A name song. And Al Jarreau, that's a name that I should know. He was a pop star, right? He's kind of like a smooth jazz guy. Okay, yeah, let's hear what this sounds like.

So he doesn't sing in the songs, although maybe he sings in this one. Maybe he sings Moonlighting at some point, but he's generally like a smooth jazz dude. Oh, yeah. Why did I think this show was sultry?

There's a right way to rock and a wrong way to roll. There's a wrong way to moon and a right way to light.

Don't you change Wow Maybe Al Jarreau does sing

I should say that this is a three minute song So I don't know what part of this was used for the This isn't I'm not watching the credits I'm seeing a slideshow somebody put together Of the two leads Just sort of embracing and being cute together Charming and bright By the way, I was so wrong.

Al Jarreau sings in, like, every song. Oh, okay. I think I was confusing him with a different smooth jazz guy. Is he ever going to sing Moonlighting? Come on, let's get to it.

Drop the bass, as Luke likes to sing. Thank you. Oh, I was so excited. Oh, he did say Moon. He said Moon. Oh, it just occurred to me, oh, now we're going to be pulled down. Of course, we're being pulled down anyway.

In all Al Jarreau-loving countries of the world. yeah exactly in the eastern block so hey that was fun can we find out what happened this morning when you had to drive your oh i didn't even get into this yesterday i find it very suspicious that after you took the car to the dealership and they allegedly fixed it suddenly then like the next day you're driving it and a bunch of different lights go off and the car is protecting itself yeah i think i'm i'm optimistic about the about that not put the oil cap back on or something

And if so, I think that we will – I think they'll be good to us. Again, we take it to the dealership, and, you know, we bought the car from them almost 10 years ago now. So, like, I think they're going to be pretty – oh, they did have complimentary snacks, by the way, in the waiting area. That came up recently. You were talking about having to buy snacks from some sort of an Avanti market. Or steal from the Avanti market.

On Tonkin Mazda.

And that's your dealer as well, right? But they're not giving you free snacks. Here they had – oh, you know what? I took a picture of it because I was going to send it to you because they had little bags of goldfish. Oh, Goldfish, darling. But do you think they had plain flavor? No, they only had the cheese. That's not a flavor. That's the reason. Exactly. They had some of those little bags of little mini chocolate chip cookies. I mostly focused on the Goldfish bags. I never even sent them to you. It looks like there's some granola bars in there. And they had little soccer-themed stress balls, a big thing of those probably to celebrate the World Cup. So they know how to treat their customers there. I almost grabbed one of the stress balls, and I was like, what? What have I got to worry about?

But did you bring it up with them that the car started doing this weird stuff literally the day after? Yes. And they seemed open to that line of inquiry.

So, yes. And I will tell you about how I ended up arriving there in a moment. And I have a little bit of audio, which I might play for you. It's not awesome, but I did record my entire drive, you know, just because I wanted to capture any potential excitement. But I'm not a very good, like, in-car narrator to myself. I did my best. So maybe I'll play a little bit of it for you here. But once I was there, I was telling the fella and Genevieve is with me because, of course, she was in the chaser car behind me the whole time. And I did mention that, like, you know, it's.

funny we brought it in on friday for an oil change and some just like kind of a once over and everything was fine before that so i mean it could be related to that and and so then when the guy gave me the the quote he's like well listen it's going to be a 250 dollar i think like 250 or 225 just diagnosis charge he said but if in that diagnosis we see somebody left something loose or left a dipstick in the tank or something like that then we will completely waive that and take care of you so I do appreciate that and the fact that he kind of kind of brought it up and emphasized that and Genevieve said I almost checked the dipstick she said this to him she's like I almost checked the dipstick but then it occurred to me I don't know where the dipstick is and I was also thinking like I don't know like why would a dipstick in the tank make it shudder like this the only reason I kind of want to play this tape for you I'm a little embarrassed because I just you can hear the morning in my voice this was around 7 30 in the morning and you can hear I'm got that kind of morning congestion and I'm not a particularly interesting person here but i grabbed about it's just a little bit over a minute um of me driving the car and what i think is kind of interesting first of all i just set my recorder on the dashboard and i had no idea if it was picking me up well or not i just kind of aimed the microphones at me i took my little field recorder and i was actually pretty pleased at how clear my voice is over top of the engine but you can hear the engine sort of struggling and it gives you a little bit of a sense of some of that shaking i was talking about so this isn't again just be prepared this is very mid tape and it's a little cringy but here it is about a minute 20 it looks like here all right now i'm gonna hit a bunch of stop signs in a row this is the first one i hate my breathing i hate what a heavy breather where are you um where are you on what road are you on i'm right now i think i'm about to say that i think i'm on 20th and heading right into the heart of ballard okay so you've already out of the stop sign. Now there's going to be a stop sign every single small, tiny block for a little stretch here, and this is going to be trying. I'm at 57th now. Okay, so I'm on 20th. I'm going to try to ease through 57th. I should mention Genevieve is following me in the chaser car, and she seems to be doing okay back there. I'm at a four-way stop on 56th going through there. Can you sort of hear the car struggling? I have to give it a lot of gas. Yeah, I can hear the engine kind of revving. What was it like driving it? I'm one minute away. It was shaky. Two tenths of a mile as I approach the Salmon Bay Fraternal Order of Eagles Club. So you know I'm real close now, right, Luke? From another Retherin. Taking the weird left here onto Leary. I got the light, which I love. I can almost see the shop from where I am. Suffice it to say, I make it. And, yeah, so that was, you were right. Once I got up on top of Crown Hill and then it's a pretty slow decline the rest of the way, I was able to, like, really lay off the gas.

But as I'm pressing, when I do have to stop at a stop sign or a light or something, the car goes, you know, until I finally gave it enough gas. And I basically had to ride in, like, second gear most of the way. Like getting enough gas to make third gear workable did not did not seem to make the car very happy. But I did make it. I pulled it in. I pulled it into their lot. I was I was kind of surprised. Saved two hundred dollars, I assume. Yeah. And Genevieve pointed this out. If it does end up being something like, oh, there was a dipstick left behind or something like that. They wouldn't have covered us for the tow. You know, we would be out of that money. you know what i mean like right now there's a chance that this was their fault and we won't have to pay anything for this repair but that tow money would be totally gone no matter what and they said that that's the car like that that weird light and the thing it's doing is the car protecting itself that's what the receptionist in the service department said and i didn't get the impression from her because she and i she said oh i know what that means it's a e p c like she didn't sound like somebody who necessarily works on cars but just somebody who's kind of around it because i think some of the people who do answer the phones there are people who know cars but that's why i don't want to put too much emphasis on what she said and sort of this like kind of casual conversation she was being friendly and yes and but she's i don't get the impression that she was a mechanic herself so she was like i think that's maybe just like the general warning for when the car is kind of doing things to protect itself, whatever that means. Did she say you were getting the EQC light? The man who brought the rock and roll edge to the Eagles. You know what? That's what she said. She said, that is your rock and roll soul trying to protect itself. The car is saying, get me to EQC right now. She said, the car knows you've been listening to too much soft rock, and you need the rock and roll edge of the guy who's not. The man who brought the rock and roll edge to the... Don Felder. Don Felder. Don Felder. Sorry, Don.

uh by the way i have you ever done a river float i don't think so dude i did my first ever river float yesterday it was so hot out here my friend spring who lives down the hill said hey do you want to float down the kalama and i was like i absolutely do so we got some inner tubes and uh her friend uh parked her car down like it's always a two-car situation i think because you gotta like park one car and then drive one car up you know to where you want to start the float and we did and we floated down the Kalama for a couple of hours and it was the most fun, most relaxing thing. By the way, you don't have to take your shirt off. I had a shirt on the entire time. If this is a barrier to entry for people. It was the most relaxing, fun thing I've done since I can remember. Floating a river. It is as advertised.

When I said I don't think so, I had some memories of being on a river, but I think I might have done some sort of a slow river activity that might have been more like kayaking or something maybe but i'm trying to put myself that feels like it might have been a new hampshire thing exactly what you're talking about too like you gotta either connect with a company that will drive you to the you park in one place and then they shuttle you to the top of the river which is i think how we did it or something but i i'm pretty sure my situation was not inner tubes but i do know that i just have this vague calming memory of being on a river on a beautiful day with just the point of being there. There's like literally, what is the expression? The journey is the destination?

Yeah, basically, there were all these kind of cool houses along the river. One of them apparently was, or allegedly is where Marlon Brando lived. We decided it was either Marlon Brando or one of the guys from the Bartles and James commercial. Allegedly, the guy who doesn't talk. Do you remember the Bartles and James commercial?

Yes, I do. and it's kind of funny because I get them confused with the Bruce Willis ones which is kind of ironic Seagram's Golden White

Bartles and James was like two kind of old guys on a porch and I think one of them talked and one of them didn't and they both performed magic tricks

right

yes pen and not tell a room eating you anything but there's there are these rumors in Calama that the quiet Bartles and James guy lived there but there's also rumors that Marlon Brando had a secret house there so there's this one house on the river that's either the silent guy from Bartles and James or Marlon Brando.

And Marlon Brando had nothing to do with... I don't know what I'd be more starstruck about. What is the movie, and I hate to evoke this, but what is the movie that is like people run into trouble on the river and it's got the dueling banjo and you've got a pretty mouth? That's Ned Beatty. It's Ned Beatty, yeah, yeah, yeah. And it's not Deer Hunter. I want to say that it was another really dark one from that period. Yeah, I can't remember.

It's, oh, phooey.

That everybody says, oh, you've got to watch this. and then you watch it, and then you're just sort of cold and stunned for the rest of the weekend. Yeah, I've never actually. Isn't Burt Reynolds in that as well? Yes, I believe so. Here, if I just type in the catchphrase, I hate to do it, but you type in the phrase, you got a purdy mouth, and you get deliverance. Deliverance. That's what it was.

Yeah, it kind of got some deliverance vibes there. Speaking of Burt Reynolds, I was listening to a great interview that David Sedaris did with John Lovett, and John Lovett was talking about the fact that apparently there is an audio book version of Moby Dick that is narrated by Burt Reynolds. Oh. And to hear John Lovett's description, each chapter starts with Burt Reynolds really trying to lean into a kind of a maritime, you know, New Englander kind of seafaring accent, but he just runs out of interest by the end of each chapter. Oh, my God. So by the end, he's just being Burt Reynolds.

I mean, I'm looking, I just wanted to play a little audio clip of it because I'm seeing a lot of people like there's an advertisement for it for the Amazon, I'm assuming like Audible book on date Moby Dick Classics Read by Celebrity Series do you have any idea, and I know I'm the one Googling, but do you have any idea when he recorded this? Was it at the peak of his popularity or is this some new thing that Audible is doing or something?

I don't know the answer to that. I'm assuming it wasn't at the peak of his earning abilities because he

it sounds like this was the last thing he wanted to do okay here nine years ago in the subreddit called audiobooks somebody posted with the headline Moby Dick read by Burt Reynolds and the first line is holy balls this is the corniest reading I have ever heard in just about ever whoever directed or allowed Burt to read this in some kind of salt of the sea accent with his voice fluting up and down must have been some mad comedic genius oh then it says here try the sample okay they've linked to a sample here on audible i have an audible oh and now it says sorry it looks like this title is no longer available that might not be a coincidence that the official link is head

been taken down unfortunately let me see I'm not going to use up a credit for this okay no but let me see if I can find it in audible also of all the people like that you would choose to read this you know call me Ishmael Burt Reynolds seems like just other than Dom DeLuise I'm just thinking of guys that were

usually that would each other in rate listen to Dom DeLuise do it I'm sorry I'm having no look no luck over here at all with any kind of yeah it's not

letting me well you know I could probably do audible on my phone here but But anyway, maybe I should just play the Top Story sound effect. I would love to hear that. Hello and welcome to Top Story. You had a dog park story that you wanted to share with us.

Oh yeah, you know, I mean, this isn't a, you know, I don't know if this has any kind of narrative arc here, but boy did I have a time at the dog park the other day. It was my first time at the dog park, and I just want to say that it was 1996. Boing Boing has an article here, in 1996, Burt Reynolds narrated an audiobook of Moby Dick, in case we were looking forward. So he was still pretty much in the game in 96, right? Oh, yeah. But, Luke, do you know that I've never really been to a dog park at all before, not with a friend and their dog? Yeah, because you'd think, oh, it's a good place to see dogs, even if you don't have a dog. It's a good place to meet dogs. It also seems kind of weird to go without a dog, although I met some people who were there without a dog. It's like the McDonald's playland. Exactly. Exactly. And sometimes I like to go in there and just jump right into the ball pit. But, you know, I think I've always had sort of a – I don't think I realized this until recently. But, like, I think I've always had this weird little bad feeling about dog parks because I'd never been to one. And there was one in Los Angeles somewhere. I feel like sneaking out towards the east side somewhere. The Silver Lake Reservoir one? No, because I feel like there was no water. That's what I noticed. I remember there was always this light at this weird intersection. Eagle Rock or something. It might have been like, yeah, something maybe. And I remember it just looked like this sun-baked, treeless, just, it just looked like so, it looked like a desert. And I don't know why Los Angeles would look like a desert. But you know what I mean? It just seemed so unforgiving. You know what I mean? It did not look like a fun place to be. But a neighbor of ours, did I tell you that Lucy has a best friend named Edna May, who's a basset hound that lives a few doors down?

I didn't know they were best friends. I just knew that there was a basset hound.

Yeah, they get together and they romp. And so her owner, Suzanne, told Genevieve about some dog park. And Genevieve went and came back and said it was really great and she wanted to take me there. And so she did. We left Lucy at home, but she took me and I just ran free. And it was so nice. Someday last week, I think it was midweek last week, me, Genevieve, and Lucy went to North Acres. Now, are you familiar with North Acres? You're nodding. Well, you're nodding and shaking your head. Soccer practice for many years. Really? Okay.

In North Acres Park, yeah, there's a little soccer field there, but there's also part of it that's wooded.

Uh-huh, and there's a baseball field there and a soccer field. And do you happen to know if they had this sort of, like, fenced-in, off-leash dog park area?

They did not back in those days.

Well, I think they took the wooded area that you just described and turned that into the dog park. And Luke, it was amazing because of exactly that tree cover, like what a difference it makes. And it was before this really bad heat wave that you alluded to a moment ago yesterday and today are shaping up to be pretty brutal. But even still, it's summertime, you know, and we go there and I'm kind of expecting again, just like kind of a dog park. that's like kind of a the worst I'm picturing it to be like the worst part of a human park sort of that they just sort of sequester off and let the dogs romp or whatever but it's actually the nicest part of the park you walk in there's like kind of a double gate kind of situation I'm guessing that's standard for dog parks I don't know how much of this is just normal um but the double gate situation kind of like you're getting on and off of a spaceship in space is how I like to think about it and um and then once you go in there's like this little communal area and like kind of a water not a water feature in the middle but kind of a big water um pump in the middle that you can just like fill up this metal bowl of water that all the dogs can use and everybody's off leash in there and i'm immediately just like playing with other people's dogs lucy i'm so impressed with lucy's ability to sort of read other dogs's energy i don't know if all dogs do this and then match that energy like she always comes in a little bit shy tail between her legs a little bit until she sort of figures out the dog's energy level and then sort of matches that and I've seen her be very sweet with dogs that don't want to play rough and then I've seen her rumble tumble with the dogs who do want to play rough but seeing all of the people in there like I met so many people I petted so many dogs beautiful dogs Luke big dogs little dogs I mean I swear my heart overfloweth that afternoon with dog love but then also this woman comes in i'm gonna put her i don't know mid 30s okay and she's got this little boy in tow and he is with three or four genevieve estimated and i trust genevieve's estimation of ages better than i do myself and they come in and i do kind of notice that they don't have a dog and they're in and the boy starts playing with some other dog and then they kind of i don't know whatever it's just like everybody's sort of wandering around and talking and they kind of meander over our way we ran into somebody we know from the eagles there with his dog um and so it's just very nice it immediately just feels like community and uh but this this mom and her boy kind of come over and the boy starts playing with lucy and then suddenly like this boy this little french boy the mom spoke you could tell that she the little boy was you know he was three or four so he didn't speak that much anyway but um he both he spoke both english and french as did the mom who spoke english with a with a french accent and the little boy just starts just playing with lucy and he's got a ball or we give her give him up like an old tennis ball or something and they're throwing it around but he's like bonding it is like a it is like an

idyllic tv show of a little boy and his dog it happened to be my dog um and he's like lucy it's over here and he's like kind of like he's like kind of pointing in this just unbelievably cute wait and so we're talking to the mom i'm like do you guys just come here to play with the dog she's like no this is the first time we did it we kind of live in the neighborhood and we were over there and he saw the dogs and he wants a dog so bad but we can't have a dog because we go back to france for a month every summer something like that so like this is the first time we've done this but i think we might do it more but it was funny like once he became friends with lucy he didn't he's kind of stopped playing with all of the other dogs and seeing this little boy play with lucy and and again i gotta be honest with you when i see lucy go up to a little child like that i'm a little bit like oh how's this gonna go because you got to remember part of my dog shit part of my dog baggage is that i was really afraid of dogs growing up not like indifferent but i grew up being a very afraid of dogs up into a kind of cornered by a kind of an aggressive dog at one

point when you were young or you went to a house i don't think the dog locked in a room yes i mean

And these, but it was a tiny little dog about the size of your foot that had me like, if

that was a rat and it tried to bite you, it would be terrifying. I don't buy this. If it's a tiny dog, it's not scary.

But I was a little kid and I'm sure the dogs were just trying to play and they could probably read my, I remember my, my parents would always say they could tell when you're scared. I'm like, well, what do you want me to do about that? Like, what do you want me to do about that? It's like telling somebody not to panic. So, and I remember going to like some great aunt's house or something. Cause I'd never been there before. And yeah, I'm at the end of this hallway and this dog, dog or dogs, but like little tiny yippee dogs are just like, and I'm just like terrified with my back against the door. And this carried through, I think, into young adulthood. I just wasn't around dogs that much, so it didn't become an issue. But then somebody asked me to house sit for them when I was in college, my good friend Nancy. And I was like, yeah, I'll house sit. And I'd forgotten that she had a dog. i know it sounds crazy but i was like i thought she just wanted somebody to water her plants or whatever and i would get out of my you know shitty little uh studio apartment for a week or something and she's like yeah this is i don't ranger i don't know what the dog's name was and i was like oh there's a dog here and i don't think i told her well you know i'm kind of scared of dogs i have no experience with dogs and that experience ended with day one of me going over there within an hour i had to call her elderly dad to come over and save me from her dog who i thought was like not digging me but now that i know dogs a little bit i realize the dog was playing the dog was going down on like two you know like kind of play bow and barking its head off at me but i just thought it was cujo trying to kill me and her dad when i called called him over he was like because i don't know he lived like 15 minutes away he was don't do that luke i'm terrified right now um i remember him being like kind of laughing at me he's like dude you're you're housing this dog this dog just wants to play but i just so there's still something in me that like a bark like me getting used to a bark just being any kind of a communication not a i want to kill you kind of thing so when i all of this comes back to i am this has been a learning experience for me watching lucy play with other dogs trying to figure out when it's too aggressive when it's not reading her and everything like that and now here's this little boy who's like you know putting snacks in his hand and right up to her nose and everything in the back of my head i'm like oh i hope he doesn't pull back a stump you know like right yet it's my dog you know what i mean and i do trust lucy but it also made me feel i mean i guess you know i don't proud seems like the wrong word here but it again made me feel very good to see that lucy is so good with kids she's just kind of like again kind of like can kind of read the room and know what the energy is with this boy and she was so absolutely sweet

with him and the reason oh this little half french boy choosing lucy as the dog he liked the most in dog park that's huge props to you and Veeves. Well, Veeves, let's give it to Veeves. I don't know that I can take a lot of credit for Lucy's personality.

I would be walking tall for like 10 days off of that.

It was just, I mean, it was like, again, like it was like a children's book watching this boy and the boy's little postures. I mean, he was just so unbelievably cute too. And the way he was talking to her, like at a certain point, like his mom and me and Genevieve stopped being part of the equation for him and Lucy. He just had an ongoing conversation with Lucy, and he was getting frustrated with her at times. Like, it's over here, Lucy. And part of me is like, if I ever had to give up Lucy, there's only one person who could take Lucy, and it would be this little boy. Did he ever break into French? Talking to the dog? Talking to the mom, not talking to the dog. Because if she was a little bit... And again, I think that she was just such a good parent, too, because she doesn't know me and Genevieve. But she just trusted... She even said at one point, she's like, yeah, no, I mean, he seems to be getting along well with the dogs. And, you know, if anything happens, I guess he'll learn. I guess he'll learn. You know what I mean? And I do think that it's like it's not that she didn't care for her boy or love her boy. But I actually think it's that kind of parenting that allows you to raise a kid who isn't terrified of a tiny little dog that will chase you into a bathroom. You know what I mean? Like, I think she was doing it absolutely right.

Just for that kid to be able to move between English and French. And he doesn't even know. That kid doesn't even remember learning French. Yeah. He doesn't know he has a superpower, you know. I mean, I don't have to tell our listeners this, but if you speak a language other than English and you have kids, please, I beg you, only speak that language at home so that your kid can just one day just emerge bilingual and not even remember when they learned it. Yeah. There's not enough Duolingo in the world to get me proficient at any language outside of this.

there was the reason i brought this up the other day well first of all it's just been going through my head a lot like just how absolutely wonderful that experience was but also how i was thinking i still don't know that i would go to this even this dog park where now i've met some people and it's like you know for me sometimes a lot of my anxiety is not being able to like kind of picture where i'm going or what the situation is going to be when i get there even knowing that now i still don't think i'm comfortable enough in the dogosphere to go there myself and do like an off-leash thing with lucy and other dogs because again i just don't trust myself that i'm that i'm i'm i don't know enough of an alpha alpha character in this situation isn't that what you what you were doing oh i'm sorry without genevieve i don't think i would have did i say with genevieve i'm

sorry i would not i think you said by yourself but i guess i had forgotten the genevieve yeah

so like Genevieve was there and also you know talking to little kids with Genevieve there is different than if I was just there by myself especially if I was just there by myself without a dog just trying to pet other people's dogs with your van kids right exactly but um no from the dog perspective I still worry that I would maybe bring a little bit more anxiety and not kind of know what boundaries and stuff are but it was great to meet all these people and you just easily fall into conversation with other people it was a really diverse group of people there too people just kind of coming and going and it was all very nice and the reason i think i brought this up in passing the other day was you were mentioning something about sort of seeing somebody who just from first glance or outward appearances seem to maybe not share your worldview on things

and in this day it was a guy wearing a t-shirt that said like i kneel for the cross or i kneel

for the flag and i stand for the cross or something yeah or vice versa that i believe i think those folks don't want to kneel for the flag right or maybe you said it right no i said it wrong they

stand for the flag they stand for the flag i'm one of these they both seem respectful that's the

pro the re luke the reason you cannot remember it is because it was still it was a it was a it was a very respectful protest that's why you can't remember it oh right the fact that i'm reliving

there's a lot of people that would say kneeling is one of the highest forms of honor that you could bestow upon an event and you're exactly right this is why my brain cannot remember what the transgression was because it's because it's absolutely ridiculous complete anyway anyway this guy had a t-shirt on that made me think he's not going to be uh my speed but then he was the only he jumped up to take the picture of us and he was actually quite nice and lovely and i was trying to

make sense of all of that and so i was just thinking about this one guy who i saw at the dog park the other day and by the way i'm really risking not having any kind of a power out on this thing but like i said for the most part conversation with the other people the other dog owners it's just very seamless and easy and you're gonna say hello and people love talking about their dogs i love petting other people's dogs but there was just like one kind of character there who seemed like kind of a bit of a an outsider at least as far as like all the people i was talking to and everything he kept to himself he had two dogs and they were the kind of dogs who you know i don't know breeds very well so i'll describe them as scary you know they're the kind and by the way They were well behaved, but they were the kind of dogs where if you. were on a jog luke and one of these dogs came up to you and there was nobody around and one of them had a muzzle on as well but they were like big they were big thick bulldoggy bulldogs and uh and one of them had a muzzle on the dogs by the way and and they also have the very thick you know we have um we keep lucy on a harness at most times because it's easy to you know kind of connect the leash to and everything but i noticed that some of these folks had like kind of big almost like tactical harnesses that have the dog's name on the side of it which is probably pretty good right to have like let the world know what the dog's name is and both of these guys dogs had these i like to know the name of the dog that's ripping my throat it's the last word you'll ever see right um but i mean listen the fact that one of them did and i i want to say both of these dogs were just as well behaved as all the other dogs they created no problems the one had the muzzle and that's actually a sign of responsibility by this guy as well but the guy had this he just like he would have been kind of central casting for like a i'm just i'm just speaking in stereotypes here i have no idea what this background is what his background is but like he looked like a a guy who might have done some time with the military and it didn't end well and is now in the states dealing with a lot of things i'm totally making all this up but he just looked like that and you know kind of keeping to himself kind of you might catch him at a karaoke bar by himself singing stained after a few too many drinks i don't see him singing karaoke i see him kind of glowering at the end of the bar he's at the bar he's got his two dogs around him but everybody's a little bit leery to talk to him except for maybe one guy who also served sort of he just kind of had that and he kind of very brooding looking very um his face he never said and a couple of times I even tried and he was the guy with the big kind of and he had the two dogs one of which was um which one of which was muzzled and um but I he just sort of like I noticed him and he totally kept to himself like everybody else sort of naturally said at least a quick hello other people you find yourself in a conversation with and he just had all of the as Gary Larson once put in a cartoon he just had

all of the outward signs of how nature says do not touch include right down to the dogs right but i was sort of looking at him and i was like you know i'm somebody who also prefers to be alone most of the time and you know if i was at the dog park by myself i don't know how much chatting i would do and so i never like to judge you wearing the muzzle am i yeah i took it off for the show

do you regret that well no i just want to make sure you're still doing it at the dog park because of the incidents yes you just show up muzzled at the dog park no dog muscle just standing in a

corner your head to toe leather with a muzzle um but anyway i am totally fine with him and his dogs wanting to to have their own space and so i didn't want to do anything like it's super outgoing but a couple of times i tried to catch his eye and kind of nod in this way of just like hey if you want to mingle with us like we can mingle with you and your dogs as well your dogs seem totally well behaved. And I was just sort of thinking about that because I just saw this guy in a brief instant. I felt like I could really kind of sum up that he was very different than the rest of us in a lot of ways. And like I say, I think a lot of people there were a lot of different, like it was actually kind of for this like kind of little North Seattle dog park randomly on a Thursday. It just, it was kind of interesting to see a pretty broad cross section of people kind of coming and going, which is cool. But there was just something about this guy that I was kind of like, I just, if there was a way for me to to let him know that if he wants to kind of mingle over here he doesn't have to feel like an outcast and maybe he doesn't feel like an outcast he was probably just thinking about his day trading I have no idea what that guy's life is like you know what I mean but there's just something about seeing him there that I kind of want this sounds really corny but maybe I just kind of wanted him to feel like we were there if he wanted to be with people dude I think that's

so awesome because like you're a person i've watched you in the world i've been to i was gonna say many countries but basically two countries one of with with with me right one of which with me yeah yeah uh yeah i was gonna say i've been to a lot of places with you and i see how you are in the world and you're very thoughtful and you really want to stay out of people's way but the fact that and so and as we talked about on the show yesterday like you didn't you did not tell the guy where the cold rainier beer was because you know yeah kind of like you just want to get in his life if he didn't want you in his life and the fact that you were at the dog park and you saw this guy and even if it didn't you know happen to work or whatever the fact that you were thinking about him as he fit in or did not fit into that context i think that's really cool and in this case it probably didn't you know it didn't mean that he came over and hung out with you guys but just like the idea that um that you were he were clocking him in

that way i think is actually really nice yeah and i didn't have a i didn't like i said i didn't have a great power out for that but just Thank you. go back to the the dog park writ large that was actually you know what luke a little bit more context to this too just about about sometimes me navigating this life in in increasingly old age and learning little life lessons we have i i've alluded a few times and again i'm not going to go into detail i've alluded a few times to some really frustrating things that are going on in my life right now vis-a-vis this basement renovation and some things that are mistakes are being made mistakes that were so easily solved earlier on that are kind of cascading in ways that are had me pretty upset and Thursday was sort of the peak of that and our contractor was here and I was just having some communication issues with him and I was kind of at my peak of feeling the most frustrated and i'll just say angry and veves and i had had a frustrating conversation with him downstairs and then we came upstairs and then unfortunate so and i'm i'm like i'm feeling like just like a toxic cloud over my head but talking to veves about this stuff because we need to talk about we need to talk about the practical matters of the basement or whatever but also i don't want genevieve to think that sometimes when i'm going off on what i think her issues in the basement even though i've told her i don't want her to take it personally she's sort of taking responsibility for it and feeling bad about how bad i'm feeling about some things here so i'm trying to like kind of foam off some of my discontent and talk to her but also not just bring poison into the room into our conversation if that can make sense and so i'm sort of foaming that off and genevieve is kind of listening and then this happens so rarely because both, I think Lucy's a relatively good dog and we keep a close eye on her, but Genevieve went into her sewing room and saw that Lucy, it was like so far the only time that we've gone in and Lucy has totally destroyed something. And it was a piece of paper, but it was part of a pattern that Genevieve had gone somewhere specially to print and cut out and everything, and now her pattern was gone. Oh, I guess Lucy also got one of her earbuds the other day, so I guess we have two of those now. By the way, that was teamwork between two pets Because Genevieve's little earbud, what do you call it, the thing that they charge in, the little charging container, she had done nothing wrong. They're both in the charging container, up on the dining room table. I believe our cat, Bingo, did an assist and knocked those to the floor where they hit the floor, case opened, and then both earbuds came out. And we could only find one earbud until we eventually found the second one, which was in Lucy's mouth and beyond use at that point.

Now, I feel bad that Veeves had her device destroyed, but I do love the teamwork. That's what I'm saying. I resent it and I respect it. The kind of Disney caper aspect to this.

It could have only been better.

Bingo's got eyes on you and Veeves as you leave the room. Eye contact with Lucy swipes the AirPods off the table.

It is fun. i do think that they're becoming a little bit a little bit more friends and uh and bingo just wants to be around lucy as much as possible but it's just like lucy's energy sometimes gets to be a little bit too much for and she's pretty big now but uh it gets to it too much for uh bingo i should say but anyway all that is to say i'm having this moment of feeling like just really really bad i'm just really bad i'm just feeling really i'm feeling angry and regretful and i'm feeling stupid about decisions i've made and i'm just feeling bad and genevieve was feeling not great either and then she's like oh i never hear her yell at lucy and she was like lucy you know like she just she ruined this thing genevieve was trying to work on this project and her pattern was all chewed up and eaten and everything and that would have been like such an easy night for when the contractor leave for me to go downstairs and play darts and genevieve to lose herself in some next generation star trek or whatever you know but she had mentioned earlier i think i picked her up from work that day she had mentioned earlier wanting to show me this dog park maybe this afternoon and i said and like in this moment of feeling so toxic and just feeling toxicity and again not towards each other at all i promise you that wasn't part of it but i said genoive i think we need to get out of here like do you want to go to that dog park like let's just let's just you know remember how i told you i was watching those videos about dogs and one of the first things i learned about a dog is when they do that shaking thing they're sort of like resetting like they had a stressful moment or something and then they do that full body shake and then they're ready to go I was like I think we need to kind of do that full body shake right now like let's not let this be how the day ends you know what I mean let's go to that dog park and let's do it and it ended up being like obviously within moments of being there I wasn't thinking about anything else but being there and it ended up being honestly I'm actually just now remembering that that was the same night in fact, and that we made a conscious effort to get out from under the cloud that I was contributing to, you know, with my own with.

my own noxious gas so um there's maybe a lesson there too well i hope that you get to the point

where you feel comfortable taking lucy solo because uh from my experience back mostly when i had this dog named flea this boxer we lived down in um like on beacon hill going to the dog park is one of the great joys i think of dog ownership and yes there is a little bit of you know things can go sideways dogs can get weird with each other dog owners can get weird with each other but but it was like you know particularly we just this dog that we had was so active she was a boxer and just needed to run and run and run and run and there was something about just being there letting her get her yaya's out you know chatting with other people it became kind of like an afternoon tradition uh-huh it's really nice did you go almost every day like every yeah pretty much because otherwise this dog would be because you didn't have a backyard or anything like lucy's but she wouldn't just like the problem was we had actually an okay yard but it was like she would just, she would just, she wouldn't like run the way she would run at the dog park. There's something about other dogs that engaged her in this way where she'd get all of her energy out. But yeah, it's a, it's a really fun, really kind of like grounding, like you said,

reset, little full body shakes. Yeah. And especially, and for the humans too. And again, like seeing that little boy, we gotta, we gotta go back. Maybe, you know, tomorrow will be Thursday again. I think it was Thursday that we went. So maybe we can go back and see if, uh, see if our little, if our new French family is there waiting for us. Little

lord fauntleroy yes here i go once again with the email every week i hope that it's from a female

no man it's not from a female remember how i started the show andrew by saying it's going to be really noisy there's going to be a lot of like weed whacking and stuff going on sort of stopped i don't really know what's going on everybody's on their phones there's been no weed whacking since the show started which is good for the audio of this show since my voice is so

fried bad for the weeds getting whacked maybe they're enjoying the podcast well i guess they can't hear my side of it and i gotta say i'm doing most of the blabbing we're going hourly on this

uh-huh so i this was a person who was um working on my neighbor's yard and doing a great job and i asked them hey could i get the phone number of those folks and so i asked hey how much would it be to have these certain areas weed whacked which are like like the grass is so tall and kind of of unruly that it would take me it would take me like a long time to do it i said how much for this job he said well usually we just do it by the hour and i was like okay cool how much is it by the hour he told me the price is that sounds fair so we agreed to that but i don't know if this i don't i guess we'll just see when it's done how many hours yeah it's been i mean it could be an

official break as we're recording this it's about 11 in the morning maybe they're not clocking this time maybe they're taking some time to say anybody got a anybody got a sandwich anybody have a bologna sandwich out there that's how you can tell if it's official break time no no bologna

sandwiches that i'm seeing but um i did offer because i'm an ally i was like hey if anybody needs to use the restroom please the house is here if anybody needs water if anybody needs a

bologna sandwich anybody needs a bologna i'll go out i'll buy some bologna um i do have some voicemails here i can play for you i oh i wanted to give a follow-up yesterday around this time we did a what's in the box segment and we got that big box of snacks from listener maggie tons of original flavored goldfish and i mentioned just fruit newtons yes all fig newtons and and they were like it was a big box of individually packed fig newtons and i had mentioned on the show i'm like oh these are the perfect kinds of things for people to like kind of throw in their bags or whatever for like on the go for my volunteer thing if people need some extra nutrients or whatever i'll take this to my to my volunteer gig and give them away like some of them i was going to eat some of them my god did i eat so many fig mutants last night i was i know i use this reference a lot but i was like the little kid with the stomach ache at the bottom of the long slide in the chutes and ladders again i was just like in fact i had that moment this morning where because we don't have a lot of food in the house right now. And I remember thinking like, I'm sure I ate something before I went to bed last night. What did I eat? Why can't I remember eating anything? And then I opened up the garbage can and I saw like a bunch of big Newton wrappers. So Maggie, thank you again for that. They did go to a good home. My belly. All right. So I have a voicemail here that I listened to on my phone the other day. And then I sent it to my computer And I'm not sure how good the sound quality is. So I'm hoping this is okay. It's only about a minute long. This is from listener rich. If the sound quality is really rough, we can, we can abort, but let's give this a shot.

Hey, Luke and Andrew, it's listener rich from Westchester, Pennsylvania. I was just listening to the episode where you're talking about a good old Kenny Loggins. And I will have, you know, a good friend of mine.

I asked online a long time ago what it would cost to have Kenny Loggins play in his living room. And Kenny Loggins jokingly responded, $30,000. And so one of the more famous and coolest Kickstarters that ever happened, Eric managed to do a Kickstarter to go and sit in his living room and raise the $30,000, and he streamed it on Zoom. And if you paid your money at a certain level, you could go see Kenny Loggins in his living room. And at a lower level, you can watch it online. And Kenny Loggins literally went and played in Eric's living room. It was Kenny Loggins and a couple other people, and it was absolutely fantastic. So, Kay Loggins, in addition to being an absolutely amazing recording artist, was also just kind of a good dude who played along with a bit, even so far as to play a friend of mine's living room. So, yeah, that's a cool story. Power out.

Now, first of all, I kind of vaguely remember this story. Do you remember this story? I feel like I just remember reading about it. Could this have been when we were working at Cairo together? Yeah, I feel like it was an internet thing that I was aware of. I didn't know it was our listener's friend. No, and that is cool. It's a good story. Do you think, Kenny, I would be both surprised and a little, can you be chagrined on somebody else's behalf if Kenny Loggins took or kept the $30,000? Now, I know that people who donate to this campaign, you think he just kept it, huh? He's like, okay, you did all of this. You'd think that with all the internet attention and everything, he would say oh okay this was a fun bit and now i'm kenny loggins i've feathered my nest like i'm gonna donate this thirty thousand dollars to i don't know dog parks usa or something like that

that's interesting i mean i assume that that kenny loggins gets paid well i would assume he gets paid more than thirty thousand maybe he was you know when he shows up to play like he played chateau san michelle yeah yeah do you think he would get more than thirty thousand for that

probably yeah but i would just hope that for something that is so grassrootsy like this that it kind of starts as an internet joke and then he does it and he knows he's literally taking it i mean i guess you're right maybe it's like it's no different than ticket sales i guess but for a lot of that fundraising was probably people who just wanted to see it happen people who are watching it streamed at you know on their computers or whatever it's not quite the same thing as enjoying a nice riesling while watching it on the chateau lawn i don't know i would hope that he had donated some of that money to maybe a better

cause. I'm trying to find the Kenny Loggins house show playlist. I want to see what he did. Somebody post the playlist of when he, no it's not going to let us do this. I was trying to figure out if he published the songs he played at this guy's house. Because it would have had to be Highway to the Danger Zone. You'd hope. Footloose. Meet Me Halfway Across the Sky. Is that him? I don't know that song. This is not the day for me to try

to sing but um no by the way uh this was 2015 so you and i would have this wasn't our heyday of working at cairo together i would have been in um la i think at this point but it's around that time

so we've got these are the uh his chart topping solo hits footloose danger zone i'm all right from i'm all right okay don't nobody worry about me and meet me halfway from the 1987 film over the top so what i'm realizing is and again i don't mean this to sound like i'm i mean he was loggins in messina as well so he you know kenny loggins had a has had a long and extremely you know decorated and prolific career so i'm not trying to like roast him at all but there really was a period of time where he couldn't miss but only if he was writing a song for a movie related to a movie in some way yeah loose from the movie danger zone from top gun i'm all right from Caddyshack and Meet Me Halfway from Over the Top, which, by the way, is the Sylvester Stallone arm wrestling move. Yeah, it's like a switch.

It's like a switch. He turns his hat backwards.

I'm looking at more than 200. When Camaro Kev does that, by the way, when he turns his hat backwards, it's like a

switch. Does he say that? I don't know if I've

experienced it. He has done that. By the way, his sob is from 2001. Oh, I

was wondering about that. Yeah, you had asked him about that. Only 25 years old, actually. I'm looking, I'm seeing a lot of articles about this, and I'm not seeing anything about donating or anything. I just think, don't you think that would have earned Kenny Loggins so much more goodwill than just like, yes, thank you. My favorite part was when you gave me my money. Just being like, here's my rider. This is what

we need backstage and this is what it costs to have me there. I guess you're right. I guess I don't know anybody else's finances, but yeah, assuming Kenny Loggins has done pretty well.

I mean, those hits that you're talking about and then you know, residuals on that stuff. Exactly. licensing and commercials and all that, but we know, I mean, I've heard the ads, we know that he's been playing the casino scene, too, you know.

Dang it, Eagles. Wait. Oh, I see what happened there. You still got the doogie going in the background. Anyway, thanks for reminding us of that story and Kenny Loggins, come on, donate to something right now. Yeah, maybe the TV telethon. The TV, you know what, Luke, I like the way you think, my friend. July 13th through 17th from Valley City, Ohio.

That's right. It is part of the Valley City Frog Jump Festival. We will be there all week broadcasting from Andrew's actual elementary school.

And can I mention, so we're participating in this Valley City Frog Jump, and John has been, our business boy, John, has been joining us on the show on Fridays to give us updates. Listeners have been suggesting names for the frog that we end up adopting, And I think he has some more naming opportunities he's going to share with us this Friday. But also, we're going to have a listener on the show Friday who is somebody who volunteers with a, I'm going to call it a frog organization, Luke. That is, I think there's a better one. Frog Watch. It's Frog Watch USA, right? They study frogs and for the frog's benefit. They watch them in America. How did you put that all together? It's right there in the name. It's actually mostly Swedish frogs, I believe, that they watch. But the listener's name is Simeon, and Simeon wants some more information about kind of like the frogs that are in Valley City and what we can learn about the frogs and stuff. So we're going to have Simeon on the show on Friday to kind of walk us through some of these froggy questions.

Yes, exactly.

I'm looking forward to it.

Everybody, if you have ideas for the frog's name, send them in to Andrew or John or me.

Yeah, John at tbtil.net. John at tbtil.net.

And yeah, I look forward to hearing listener Simeon on Friday Yeah, it's going to be a lot of fun Alright, I think that's going to do it for today I've still yet to share my subway takes Oh, do you? I'm sorry, I can kill this music right now It'll give us something It'll give all of us something to look forward to

I got the impression that maybe you wanted to Relax your vocal cords a little bit Because you have more broadcasting to do today too

I have a little more CBS stuff to do So yeah, I should probably try I should save these golden pipes But tomorrow my subway hot takes will uh and i don't know how you're going to feel about these there's a reason i didn't actually specify them in the show sheet because i wanted them to be i wanted them to be new to you and also i i want to get your reaction i'm curious how you will feel about my hot takes

i'm a big fan of that by the way my subway take is withhold as much as you comfortably can from your co-host like when i put together a show sheet for after these messages with genevieve i ask her i'm like don't even look at what the show sheet is i want to tell you on the show what the topic is this week like i i don't know why it's not a big reveal it's not gotcha it's not pranky i just like i like it it's more real that way so thank you yeah it's nice to um yeah you will we will

be hearing andrew's reactions in real time tomorrow when we uh join together again to bring you more tbtl in the meantime that'll do it for today's show thank you so much for being part of this i will be back here tomorrow with more imaginary radio in the meantime have a great wednesday go mariners go cole young and please remember no mountain too tall and good luck to all power out

okay um i forgot to mute you that time but i can edit it out oh shoot sorry