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A group of acquaintances of mine invited me to go clubbing with them this weekend and I said no I don't particularly like clubbing I instead like to spend my weekends inside playing video games and one of them said oh you're not like other girls like yeah I'm not like other girls I got low blood pressure and low blood sugar all right I got hit with two god chuckles right there if I go clubbing I don't come back it's much like Jaws

T-B-T-L Guess what day it is Guess what day it is

It's Friday, Friday Gotta get down on Friday Everybody's looking forward to the weekend

Well I've read everything on your syllabus And how do I put this delicately It's all stupid garbage First of all, a podcast takes a lot of work Okay? today you have to organize the guests you have to do a google calendar and then you build a following it takes a long time and i've been working on it for a while if i told you once i've told you a thousand times i love you with him out of the way i think we're just going to be

360 spins and slam dunk pointers well all right hello good morning and welcome everyone to a

friday edition of tbt all the show that just might be too beautiful to live oh yeah my name's luke

burbank i'm your host i don't know who that is and i don't care to find out coming to you from

the madrona hill studio perched high above the mighty columbia where it is a rainy friday so we've got uh gigi and dj here in the studio uh helping out with the show um dj was doing a little script supervision before the program and i think things are really actually looking pretty good today on the it's nice to get another set of eyes on this thing out here at the madrona hill studio as we've made it folks to episode 4758 in a collector series let the fun begin i've been watching the world cup with great interest and i will tell you there is a team in the world cup and also a fan base for the team in the world cup that i find frankly terrifying i am petrified petrified with this story i will elaborate coming up also uh we are still going through some of these suggested names some of them humorous names for the frog that we are going to be entering in the valley city ohio frog jump contest how funny is that that's pretty funny as part of the tv telethon 17 jumping for joy which is going to be july 13th through 17th and in fact we've got a listener simeon who spends a lot of time thinking about and studying frogs those scientists better check their hypotenuses dude he's going to uh tell us everything we need to know about uh what kind of frog we should be looking for and how to take care of them and all of that stuff that's coming up a little later on in the show first though we got to say hello to this dude longest running cobro of the show maybe best known for his depictions of the tall ships yes he's been doing the show for a long time but no that doesn't mean that he's inflexible or can't change in fact His new name is Targus, Targus, and he's joining me right now. Good morning, my friend. Good morning, Luke.

Just wharfed down some Fig Newtons. It's the last thing I eat at night and the first thing I eat in the morning now that I have a lifetime supply of them on my shelf.

Are you making progress on that big old giant box of Fig Newtons that was mailed to you by Maggie in Swarthmore?

Yeah, I'm turning into a Fig Newton. Listen to this note that I got. Out of the blue, unrequested from our dear friend Mary, the queen of the rants and raves at the Seattle time. Mary wrote to me, out of the blue yesterday, I'm time baddening, so this is late, but it's important. Luke is correct about the fig goddamned Newtons. Not only are they a waste of our Earth's resources, the most disgusting of so-called cookies, their foul reach is worse. I, for my whole life, assumed figs were the devil's spawn because of Fig Newtons. I was literally in my 60s before I figured out that figs are delicious. Somehow Nabisco managed to befoul one of the best fruits on the planet by making the so-called cookie somehow slimy and dry at the same time. Shame on everyone involved, Mary. Now that's how you get published in the Seattle Times Rants and Raves.

I am at her knee. I am a tutor Teach me Mary, teach me Yes, absolutely, oh and look who it is It's our dear friend, TBTL employee Numero uno, Mr. John Sklaroff Who is, let's see here Who's back Hold on now, wait

Look who's back

Here once again joining us on this Friday Hi John, hey guys, how's it going? Pretty good, you're fresh off of seeing Supergirl last night

I did mention I saw that last night I enjoyed it, I enjoyed it It's getting some mixed reviews Can I tell

you something a little embarrassing and i think anything i think i'm going through stuff i got choked up watching the trailer for supergirl yeah and that's like knowing that it's getting mixed reviews and knowing that the dog is very clearly cgi yeah and that still kind of got me like her and her dog again i i don't know what's going i need to see a doctor but uh i i should

say mixed reviews because i think anytime there's a woman-led movie especially in the superhero genre um yeah you're skeptical yeah me personally yeah no there's like a swath of the country i think that just immediately goes to like this is bad even before the movie comes out um i think the biggest criticism i was kind of mentioning starting to mention this briefly there's this book that's adapted from supergirl woman of tomorrow and i actually picked this up i have not yet read it because i didn't want my feelings about the movie to be influenced by that is a dc yes comic i

I didn't realize that you play both sides of the film.

Listen, I go both ways when it comes to my comic book enjoyment.

I thought you were just a Marvel man and only did the Marvel stuff.

Listen, in Marriage Monogamous, in comic books, I'm polyamorous. Yeah, you're in a polycule. Polycule, yeah. Whatever is entertaining and good. And this, by all accounts, this book was really well loved and regarded. And one of the big criticisms of the movie is it's an adaptation of the book, but they make some significant changes to the adaptation, which happens all the time when books of any kind are adapted. And so I think people are just kind of like also frustrated by that. But I thought it was a good movie. Millie Alcock, who plays Supergirl, is awesome.

Jason Momoa. So he's one of the ones that's not in the book. We're finally putting him in a movie.

That's nice to see.

Okay, but the thing about Momoa is –

You have baggage with Momoa, Luke. Don't bring that into the show. I'd forgotten about that actually.

Momoa, the character he plays Lobo, who is a character I've been familiar with, is Jason Momoa.

Wait, he plays Lobo? Yes. I didn't know that was a DC. Yeah, from way back in the day. He's kind of crazy, right? I didn't know that was a DC comic. I thought it was some alt or indie comic.

No, he's an intergalactic bounty hunter who rides a motorcycle through space and chews on cigars and is very burly and corny and a drunk. I'm like, oh, he's playing himself in makeup, basically.

So he takes elements of all three of our personalities.

Yes, right.

I'm the cigar. He's a composite character.

I remember Lobo being like that name. Boy, I haven't heard that name in so long. But I did not grow up like a comic book geek, although I just always loved the ideas. I love the idea behind them, and I love people who are into them. I just never really got into it. I had a few graphic novels here and there or what have you. But I do remember at some point, I don't remember what stage of my life this was, somebody was like, oh man, it was Lobo and one other character that was just like, oh, this is not your Superman comics, this is the badass stuff, this is the crazy drunk stuff. And I remember it was like edgy. That Lobo?

Let me know when they finally do an adaptation of Gru the Wanderer, okay? That was the comic that I was really into. Is that a Christian comic? Is that not Despicable Me? No, that's, what's the name of the guy in Despicable Me? What's the name of Grue? He's Grue also.

That's what the joke, that's what the dumb joke was.

Grue was this, like, kind of, sort of dopey fantasy comic book character, I'm reading this off the internet now, created by Sergio Aragones. And I remember walking to the comic book shop up in Greenwood, actually, by, kind of where that Taproot Theater is, Andrew, I don't know if you're familiar with. I don't think so. Or where the, anyway, there used to be a big Fred Meyer up there as well, but there was a comic book shop across the street, and I went in, there were some kids that knew from comics, and I was already so behind the curve, like they already had, you know, all of these different comics, and they were collecting them and stuff, and so I didn't know where to start, but I just thought that Gru looked funny, because he kind of had a sword, and he was kind of dopey, so I think I bought a couple of Gru comics as far as my comic book collecting went, but I did enjoy those.

I like that move. That was like when my grandparents were like kind of, I guess, babysitting both me and my sister and two of my cousins. And this is like they lived out of state or something. The cousins did. We didn't get to see them all that often. It was a very, very sui generis moment in our upbringing, this this outing. And I think they took us to some store and we all got to pick out T-shirts. But I think it was like all Looney Tunes T-shirts or whatever. and like the other boys got like Tasmanian Devil and something else like kind of badass and I got the Tweety Bird shirt and I was just like, you know, I like Tweety Bird and I think everybody was a little bit like, what's with this guy?

I think that's actually more badass. I think that that would be more fashionable circa now for you to be wearing a Tweety Bird t-shirt than say a Tasmanian Devil t-shirt. That's one of those stories.

reason this is not this is not the mo on my dad this is not how um like he raised me or anything he was he's not a machismo kind of guy and he's not a guy who ever made me feel shame for who i was but i do feel like i had a little it was a little glimpse into i feel like we came back with our shirts and we were showing them all off and i either overheard my dad talking about it later or I saw his eyes sort of die a little bit when he saw that his son chose the Tweety Bird shirt. I think I overheard him talking about it later and I was like, oh my God. And it didn't even, it was like, I feel like there's some sort of biblical equivalent to this. Like I didn't, let's keep it in the Looney Tunes universe. It was like I was running out off of a cliff, but I didn't know I was off of a cliff. I thought everything was good until I heard somebody say, yeah but why did my boy get the Tweety Bird shirt why is he always the guy who's bringing home the Tweety Bird shirt and then I looked down the cliff wasn't there anymore and then I started

falling why is my son the one inspiring the fashion of Jermaine Dupri many years from now

often seen in a giant Tweety Bird really well no no now that I'm you know well and well now that I'm a strong, self-confident man that you guys all know. I love the fact that I brought home that Tweety Bird shirt. I wish I still had it.

I want to talk to you guys for a quick moment about, well, actually, you know what? Before we get to soccer, Andrew, do you happen to have, I don't know, some sort of sonic indication that maybe we're going to ask about our plans in the next couple of days?

You mean like for the dazzling donors?

Earlier in the show than that. More like weekend plans.

is a mind invited. What happened there? I actually hit it like 30 seconds ago. I don't know what was going on. The biggest one I've ever had. Big weekend. Luke Burbank. Yes. Am I cueing this music because you have big weekend plans or you want to know mine? Because I'm happy to go either way here. Well, let's start with yours. All right. Well, my big weekend plans. There's various things going on, but the thing that I am focused on right now is a little something I like to call chainsaw on a stick. because I got myself a chainsaw and a stick. I haven't even unboxed that baby yet. It's been a very busy week. But I stayed up late last night working on the newsletter, getting that all done so that as soon as we are done recording here today, I'm going to go outside. I'm going to rev that baby up. I think I need to put some oil or something in it first. It might involve a trip to Lowe's first. I plan on chopping the hell out of my back hedges until I get a phone call from the garage that is currently working on our car. And at some point, I think I'm going to have to interrupt my work to go find myself, find a way to get to Ballard to go pick up the broken car. So you went with the dealership? No, we went with this other garage that's around the corner that I got a really good vibe from. But they are still expensive, and they will only replace all four fuel injectors. They say we won't do just one. But I really like the vibe of them, and they seemed very cool when I was dropping off the car, and it's right around the corner. Actually, this, I'm not trying to hijack this segment, but actually it's, when I texted the dealership, I told them, I sent the text to Genevieve just so she knew, and I was like, I didn't say we're taking it to another garage. I said something, I lied, and it was one of those things where, and Genevieve later was like, why did you lie to them? And I was like, I don't know. But I told them, I'm like, hey, listen, you know, because our car was left at the dealership overnight. I never checked back in with them, which is not really my thing. And then midday yesterday when I realized, okay, we can take it to this other garage that luckily had a couple of other appointments fall through at the last minute, I wrote to the dealership and said, hey, we can't really afford this right now. We don't know what we're going to do, so I'm going to pick up the car and limp it to my friend's garage for a while. And Genevieve's like, why did you take it? I would have done the exact same thing. Why did you take it? Really? I thought you'd be more like Genevieve. Why didn't you just let them know that, like, you don't appreciate how expensive it is?

Somehow it would feel to me like I was rejecting them. I feel like they don't need to know that I'm just taking it to a slightly more affordable garage. I want to, you know, sort of protect their feelings for some reason.

It's like when you change barbers or therapists or something where it's like, yeah, I'm going to take a break for him now from getting your hair cut. Yeah, just for like a few decades. We'll figure it out. And then like you immediately book with another person.

Yeah, totally. I'm going for a Tom Hanks in Castaway kind of look. By the way.

One to four years. I did have to go to I went to Rudy's for the first time on, I guess, yesterday or the day before, because I'd been going to this local barber who like you just never know what you're going to get with him. I really like him. And it doesn't really matter with me. Like, I don't have to look good. I'm unfamiliar with that feeling. So for me, it doesn't really matter. He goes. Sometimes I get a good haircut. Sometimes it's too short, but it grows out. But because I have this book event on Monday, I did not trust that. So I went to. rudy's and um it is way more expensive but you can you can definitely you i trust them more and i came out i mean how do i look you guys tell me i mean you were probably talking about it right

throw on a twiggy bird shirt for monday and you're set to go you look like a guy who should be in

conversation regarding a cross-country automobile race with eric moscowicz what is it that's right

it's brick and mortar books redmond washington uh let's see here it'll be monday at 6 30 i'm actually the truth of the matter is and i know that i'm now slipping into next week plans um i have finished the book and it's really good so that makes me feel better now that i'm like really into this book i feel slightly less nervous about talking with eric about it in front of a group of people it's still not exactly probably you know the thing i'm most comfortable with that kind of scenario but luckily i'm legitimately enthused and excited about this book yeah it sounds really

really fascinating. Yeah, I'm going to get it in your hands. Okay, what's going on with you, Luke? Well, for one thing, I've got to find a new place to cut my hair because I've been going to this one place in town which I thought was kind of a little bit more elevated than just, say, one of the Great Clips. In fact, there was really nothing even wrong with Great Clips, although I didn't really see I didn't see myself getting my hair cut at the Great Clips in the Fred Meyer in Longview, Washington in my late 40s and 50s. I didn't see that for my life, and so maybe it was more just what I felt like it said about me. Also, they sometimes would have a really long wait list, a long line, so I found this other place that's a little bit more boutique, and everybody there, I think, is very well-trained, but man, I got the worst haircut from them the last time. And it's a person who I get my haircut, have had my haircut from plenty of times, and she just, for whatever reason, just kind of...

Wasn't that the day of the tragedy, though?

It was. That might have, I mean, not even joking. There was kind of a lot going on.

That's what I was thinking for real.

So I've just been growing it. I've been going full cast away with it, but I've got to figure something out. That is not my big weekend plan. I am going to have Becca's brother, Scott, is going to be in the area tomorrow because he is doing, he, along with, he owns like multiple companies. But one of the other things he does is he's a DJ for events and parties and get togethers, and he's DJing something not too far from here. So I believe the plan is for him, after his gig, to come over here. He's bringing a third poodle. That's right. There are going to be three standard poodles here tomorrow night. And we're going to hang out and just do a little hangout time, hang out with the dogs, maybe have a cold beverage, and just see where the night takes us.

Do the dogs like air horns? I'm assuming if he's a DJ, he's kind of blown an air horn all the time. Is that what it's going to sound like?

They're pretty unaffected by that, I have to tell you.

But they're tired from their walk today. That's not a professional air horn, though. I assume that he's coming in with a real one.

Oh, he's got every sound effect in the book, I'll tell you what. So that's happening on Saturday. I will probably also be watching some of the World Cup soccer as it goes. I've been getting really into it this year, but I wanted to tell you guys about this. Let me actually just officially designate this as a top story. Hello, and welcome to Top Story. You know we're all about formatting on this program. Without that sonic ID. Structure. There is a soccer team in the World Cup from Norway. And they are really good. And they have a guy who plays for them named Erling Holland. Who is, I would say, I don't know, six chiseled out of granite. blonde long hair in faster than he should be for that size like unbelievably imposing viking man who is by the way seems like a really sweet dude he's always smiling out there on the pitch but he's also absolutely menacing with his physicality oh my gosh i'm looking at his face looks like he's

the villain of a van damme movie or something and i i almost feel bad bringing this up because

he seems to actually be a fairly sweet individual it's not his fault that he is not from this planet but he does not appear to be and i see him like some poor normal sized soccer defender trying to impede him from getting to the goal as he's just taking three steps and covering the entire field he is just he is like some sort of norse god so that's imposing and slightly scary but here's the thing i don't know if this is really going to play over the podcast but there is a celebration that the fans from norway do when they score a goal and they say row row row and everyone in the crowd it's a sea of red As they say row I'm talking about the fans They mimic that they're rowing Love that Yeah, unless you're the other team Or the other fans It is like something out of Like Game of Thrones When an army shows up At Winterfell That has you real scared I'm just going to play this off of Reddit I don't know if this is really going to Convey what I'm saying But this is the Norwegian fans Doing this row thing Someone's beating a drum i'm talking about thousands and thousands of people rowing in their seats this is literally

makes me nervous has it occurred you just to start rooting for this team instead

well the thing is i love the nation of norway and this guy holland actually seems like a sweetheart but we still must stop them this is terrifying behavior i pretty sure i saw on social

media and i can't verify i've been looking for holland has very good politics i think he said he's been critical of some of the nonsense that's been happening here i believe um but also to the viking thing luke they also i saw a tiktok they are like uh i just looked it looks like they're playing in boston or foxborough but the fans have been going through new york city too like you know they're here they're traveling and they've been doing the rowing thing on the subways and in Times Square, so there's all these videos of all these Norwegian fans all around New York City doing this whole rowing thing, and I thought that was pretty awesome.

Can we go back to the Vuvuzelas? No, this is way better. This is so intimidating. I don't think any other team will be able to beat these guys with their fans doing this scary rowing thing in the audience.

This question is coming from a man who has not been following the ins and outs of this at all, so keep that in mind as you answer it but like is there a are they favored is there a country or a team that is favored to win it all or is there a handful of teams i have a sense argentina is considered

really good john you might know more about this than i do um no sorry this is outside my um so i couldn't tell you i don't know if norway's in you know one of the favorites to potentially get to the finals i know that they seem to win the games that i saw them playing pretty handily And this guy, Erling Haaland, is just like, I think he has some insane stat, like he's averaging more than one goal for every World Cup game he's ever played in or something. He's just putting up insane numbers. And John, I guess I'm not even surprised to hear that he might have good politics, because again, the people of Norway seem to be a wonderful, I would say, sort of community-minded group of people, generally speaking. And like, I'm not shocked to hear that, uh, that he has good politics and is a good guy, but I mean, it's still, it should be, I don't, I just don't think it's fair for him to be literally twice as tall as some of the other players, but then also twice as fast.

So you want to hear the power rankings according to ESPN right now. So, uh, from one to like 10, we'll say, right? It's, uh, France, Argentina, Spain, England, Germany, Brazil, the Netherlands, Portugal, Norway, Morocco, the U S is 11th in Japan, Mexico, Columbia. and the Ivory Coast. Okay. So those are the priorities.

The U.S. is pretty far down there. I didn't know if because we won our first couple games it meant we were kind of good, but I will say...

But there are a lot of teams, though. I mean, 11 out of how many? 16. Oh, oh, never mind.

That are left.

They're moving on, right?

I guess that must be the knockout. That must be the knockout round. I want to say that I was really kind of proud of myself last night. I was watching the USA versus Turkey A. We're saying Turkey-A now, I believe. That was what was officially on the screen and everything. Formerly, we would have maybe called it Turkey, but I think we're going with the way that somebody from Turkey maybe would pronounce it. And the U.S. was already going to move on. They did not need to win this match. They've already locked this up. And they were still a huge favorite against Turkey-A. And I thought, I don't know. You got one team that doesn't need to win. You got another team that's playing for pride, that's on the world stage in this way, that's going to have a lot to really prove. And so I slid a couple of dollarinis on old turkey-yay, and then they went up. They were leading two to one. And this is the point where I could have retracted my dollarinis with a little excess, with a little profit made.

And we should say we're calling them dollarinis because we're pronouncing it the way people in turkey-yay would. Precisely.

And I did that classic thing that I keep doing, which is the same happened to me the same thing i was watching jordan and algeria play the other night same thing i'm just always putting a little dollarini on whatever team seems to have no chance based on the betting odds and then that team seems to jump out to a one nil lead and suddenly i'm being rewarded in real time but then i don't take my minimal profit and run i try to let it ride and then usually the team that's favored comes storming back and all of

the pundits are correct well in this case i turned the game off because uh the u.s had tied it two to two there was like one minute left of the extra time the game was over was going to end in a draw turned it off went about my business when i looked down on my phone and my goodness gracious turkey wins the match with like no time left in the match kicks the ball into the goal therefore giving me even more dollarinis nice so i felt like that was a study in human motivation i was i said you know do we think that the the the u.s is going to play their absolute hardest and uh i guess they didn't

i had heard some rumblings like there was a kind of a question about whether or not they were going to sit to their good players for this game anyway did they i think they did i think they sat a lot of the i don't think they played pulisic because like why risk injury if they don't need to win

this game precisely and that was another reason i was surprised that they were so heavily favored because I thought, again, they're playing all their backups. They're just kind of going to be sort of phoning it in. But go Turkey. I'm thinking, I don't know if they're still in the tournament or not, but thanks, folks. Appreciate y'all. And, yes, Fear Norway. They are a very, very fearful team, although they do have good politics. Yes. John, we have brought you here once again to ask you about the, well, the process of people suggesting ideas for the frog's name. We are going to be entering a frog in the Valley City, Ohio Frog Jumping Contest when we do the TB Telethon in Ohio. And people have been sending in ideas for frog names. We're kind of saying we're going to have to really see this frog before we decide what its name is. But we can take lots of suggestions. We had some pretty good ones last week. Have there been more rolling in?

Yeah, actually, we got way more people. I think after maybe getting inspired by other listeners or thinking about more, we got way more week two than we had week one. um i'm gonna start with the obvious one because somebody last last week there was julio frog regrez uh-huh and it sparked this conversation between the three of us about like are there other mariners that like would be better for that and as the one yankee fan your hoppy came up but as the one yankee fan i will say i'm very disappointed in you two mariners fans for not getting the one that like seven people sent in the big jumper oh that's pretty good that's pretty

good. He just kind of makes me sad

now though. I know. Well, I know.

Sure. Do we think, Andrew, I had a terrible, terrible intrusive thought yesterday. Is there a chance Cal Raleigh was juicing? Interesting.

Last season? Yeah. John says yes. Is this scuttlebutt? I mean, maybe we're in our bubble. I had not heard rumors or

anything. I mean, I don't know what that even looks like because, again, And he was, I don't know if there's a certain body type that tends to emerge from using PEDs or not. I don't know. Cal Raleigh seemed too mellow to be doing PEDs. But what he seems to be going through this season is the drop-off in productivity that seems to often follow someone who was on a lot of something that they should not be on or not enough of something they should still be on.

The Brady Anderson effect. The Brady Anderson effect. Andrew, for you, Andrew, and other people that might not be big fans or know, back in the 90s, the Orioles had a guy named Brady Anderson whose career high home runs was like 14, and then one year he hit 50, and then he never hit more than like 15 again. So it was like this real— I mean, I'm not—listen, here's the one thing I'm hearing— Yeah, here's the one thing I'm hearing about.

I'm not accusing Cal of anything here. I'm just—I'm troubled by the absolute cliff. Not unlike Andrew, when he heard his dad shit-talking that Tweety Bird shirt. But the absolute cliff that Cal Raleigh has gone off this year is just, I mean, I understand slow starts, but something is up.

But the only thing, and maybe PEDs affect this type of thing, too. But the thing that I've been hearing people who know more about baseball than me saying about him is it's his timing. It's not his strength. And I think of, I mean, I could be wrong. You guys both know ball way better than I do. That's not true. Let me just say this, and then you guys can tell me if this doesn't really add up. John does not know ball better than you. I do not. but i uh i feel like you know that helps if you're connecting the right way but then you're getting the extra oomph to get it out of the the yard and it's sort of and everybody was saying that like his timing is off and when when cal was on his rehab assignment he was down in triple a and he was just raking down there he got like five home runs in three games or whatever and they brought it up everybody was talking about his timing just like he's he's down there and his timing seems back he came up here he had a little bit of a better start since he's been back up and then has just fallen off again but i don't know do you think that peds would apply to that it's not like he's hitting the ball in the ground out yeah you know and again i i really don't have

any like evidence or even rumors to that effect i just had this like again intrusive thought that like could that be what the explanation no yeah i don't the explanation is i mean it seems pretty

damn obvious to me. He should have shook randy's hand it all i'm i'm i'm not even joking you can tell because it's not funny like i just think that he just messed up all the good will and like that's why he makes me sad on several levels now because he's i could maybe like i just hated that team usa so much they were so toxic he was toxic their whole like we are we are in battle with these other world teams and the other world teams are like isn't this fun that we all get to play a game together and then they're like no we will go to war with you and i am cal raleigh and i do not shake your hand and then he sucks and that's what happened he should have shook randy's hand the only thing they can do i think somebody said this on blue sky and i believe i already repeated on the show but they need to like do seven minutes in heaven or something like that they need to like they need to fully make out

and that is what's going to reverse this little curse that's what i believe so it sounds like we you're maybe not going with Big Jumper. Unless Cal Raleigh has an unbelievable, what, next few weeks of the season or however soon we'll be out there in Valley City. Unless Cal Raleigh does something that doesn't make his very name bring us sadness as Mariners fans, it's probably not going to be Big Jumper.

But good suggestion. And also adjacent to or similar to Big Jumper, somebody wrote Cal Frawley, but okay, we're moving on. Frawley, Cal Frogley. cow frogly yeah we can we can we can move we can move on for that um they'll see some other ones here um this one okay so i think you actually mentioned your friend luke larry yeah larry a friend from the school of visual concepts larry sent over and i think he even wrote in in the email like obligatory classic uh name which is froggy mcfrog face okay i always get a chuckle out of that like i know voting that one down sure that's fine by larry it's your right to be wrong

it's a bumper sticker for a right wing radio station you're absolutely within your rights

to be that wrong okay um i appreciate it larry um i know you had mr ribbits or ribbits last week andrew somebody uh somebody wrote in and said maybe a few people actually uh if it's a female frog although i guess it doesn't really matter it could be rosie the ribbiter yes somebody sent

that to me and i had that written down here that is first of all i was saying mr ribbits and it turns out that's already some sort of cartoon character or something and as as we learn right now andrew we really are we should tell the listeners about that a beetle bailey

beetle bailey image because king syndicates was coming for us this is a true story i used a beetle

bailey one panel of a beetle bailey cartoon randomly on a show pick uh what a month and a half ago and today john got an email with a cease and desist in saying that we owe them money but But anyway, we'll deal with that later.

So the entirety of the THON proceeds will be paying off our debts to the King Syndicate.

I don't know if we got it from a few people, but I know that listener Ryan was one of the Rosie the Ribbeter suggestors.

I love that.

Yeah, Ryan was one of them. There's a few folks. Solid, solid name.

Do you guys think of the No Kings protests were actually about the King Syndicate and because of their heavy-handed efforts to pull images off of our website? Now I'm on board. Now I'm on board.

here i'll run through some of these other ones uh oh our friend uh taylor down in kansas city big royals fan uh sent in a couple and she had some really great explanation about like the the motivation i don't have the email in front of me so forgive me taylor but um slingshot or spark plug which i thought those are both pretty fun cool i do like oh i see okay so not so much

like a pun or wordplay but no but just like the interest of like a frog that's gonna jump really

far yeah i thought that was a slingshot actually i really like spark pluggy yeah spark plug was

cool cool spark plug is really cool um here's some other kind of just like other kind of uh um uh this one uh somebody recently came up with a show our friend nigel mayor the the uh what's a formal title for mayor esquire or not his honor his honor his honor thank you that's his honor nigel uh sent in uh hop tua which i said if if the phone was last summer if the phone was last summer it would have been hop tua like i just feel like it's a year i don't think andrew would

stand for it but that's no i love it really great yeah just just like a year late though

nigel i see you i see what you did there i stand for the flag i kneel for the cross and i sit for that name and i sit for hopped cover your ears like that yes and i cover my ears for hop too

exactly uh so i really like that one um uh okay another mariner is related uh not frog specific but uh aquatic okay jp crawdad okay interesting i like that was from that's from listener levi sent that in um let's see what else we got here we got uh okay so here's a few from adrian new york just hitting a list of like not like i don't think show specific like references although one maybe but walton froggins oh that's pretty good that's pretty good there's more there's bully frog thornton oh wow um you wouldn't say that to tom petty exactly um in in light of the recent uh nba finals in in honor of greg popovich greg hopovich oh wow i like that too uh frog

odenkirk that took me a moment it's just like the angriest frog out there god damn it uh mary hoppins uh jackie jorpjump sing them white girl oh i like jackie jorpjump that's good i don't know if you're keeping a list of the ones that are the faves but like sort of like Yeah, let's flag that one. That's really good.

Jackie Jorp-Jup?

Yeah, and Rosie the Riveter.

No one in Valley City is going to know what we're talking about. We don't care.

Generally speaking, nobody in Valley City is going to know what we're talking about for a full week.

Is it Liz Lemon from Cleveland? No, her boyfriend, Sudeikis' character is from Cleveland, right? Yeah, Fleet of the Cleans. Yes. Yes. And then, let's see. There's, like I said, a whole bunch here. Now, let me ask this.

Would it just be Jorp-Jump, or could it be Jackie Jorp-Jump? Jackie Jorp-Jump, I think. That's my preference.

Listener Adam, who I think wrote in the other day or sent a message. I thought it was Adam Ox. I think you guys said Oaks. Oh, sure. But Adam wrote in and gave Kermit Tyler, which was this whole historical reference that I was like, Kermit Tyler. Yeah, there was a historical reference and it's in the email. Sorry, Adam. Millard Fillmore's Vice President? I don't know. It sounds like it. It had something to do with Pearl Harbor.

I'm thinking of Mallard Fillmore, another cartoon that's suing us.

Let me use that as a show pic today. Adam gave me the history of it, and it sounded cool. I'm not going to pull it up right now, though. Sorry. But the other one Adam sent in, basketball-related, Spud Web, which I thought was pretty good. Web feet, jumps really high.

Yeah, although that is Spud Web's name. It's the only issue there. I feel like we've got to- You think we get a cease and desist from Spud Web? We've got to make it a little more- I had a Spud Webb poster, by the way, of him dunking because he won the dunk contest in the 80s as an Atlanta hawk, I believe.

Yeah, yeah, he did. My cousin had a poster with him and George Mirison standing next to each other. Oh, my gosh. It's pretty good.

Have you seen those pictures of George Mirison holding a can of Pepsi?

It's like a little shot glass, basically. Yeah, right. Let's see. Let's see. Let me get some other ones here. Hop Story from the Pondcast was one that Leah sent in. Hop Story from the Pondcast? Yep, yep.

Andrew, you know George Mirzon from the Billy Crystal movie My Giant. I love that.

That's the point. I've never seen that movie. I still don't know who he is. I've never seen that movie either, but okay.

He's 7'7", played for the Washington Bullets.

And how is his acting in My Giant?

About as good as his person who's 7'7", that plays the Washington Bullets.

Boy, the Bullets really had a thing going with extremely tall players because they had Manute Bull back in the day. They had George Mirazon.

You know what's funny is Billy Crystal is shorter than him, and they seem to emphasize that in a lot of the kind of publicity photos and maybe even in some of the scenes. I don't know if that actually reaches the big screen, that aspect of it, but they seem to have some fun with that.

It's actually all trick photography, so they look the same size. It's all forced perspective.

but interestingly enough that's not the movie where Billy Crystal plays a basketball referee I believe that's what something in Paris

One Night in Paris

I believe he's an NBA ref does Meg Ryan fall it's a rom-com but he's an NBA ref I believe

forget Paris they break up him and the lead actor so I have to look something to kill me and he's in a bad mood and he ends up throwing Kareem Abdul-Jabbar out of a game and it was Kareem's like farewell tour. It was like one of his last games and it's like a whole thing of him fighting with Kareem, another famously very tall person.

That's right, Deborah Winger.

Deborah Winger. And is there, I feel like this is another movie that my dad has been highly recommending to me for the past several years. Is he playing a recovering alcoholic in this or is that a different Billy Crystal movie?

That I could not tell you.

Okay.

But I do, I saw this movie when it came out and I actually really liked it. But I was in a big Billy Crystal phase in the 80s and 90s. Real Mr. Saturday Night Day.

How could you not be? I was.

City Slickers 1 through 3. Legend of Curly's Gold.

That's good stuff. I'll give you a couple more. How does this sound? We've got a few more. These are more from Levi, who sent in a whole bunch. So he had the JP Crawdad. He also gave us...

Cameron Croke Okay Charles Croken Is that a Charles Grodin reference? Maybe Okay

Cindy Leeper

Oh I kind of like that Like a Cindy Lopper

Levi and also a listener Daniel sent in Dave Leggers Like Leggers Oh like Dave Eggers

Work of Heartbreaking Genius or whatever

The Rockford Flies The Rockford Flies

That's kind of the thing that the frog eats

Yeah Listen, this is brainstorming No bad ideas

I'm just trying to talk these out here

The Silent Springer

Wow

Dark

Paging Rachel Carson

What about Jerry Springer

We just call it DDT for... Ooh. Ooh, Jerry Springer. What if we just named it Jerry? Jerry.

Also an Ohio native, by the way, so it's regionally appropriate. One time mayor of Cincinnati.

I think... Oh, here's... This one's a little... It's a little dark, but in the sense... Darker than Silent Spring. Well, it's Frogwa, but like WA for Washington. Oh, okay. Like Foie Gras. i think frog wah but like or foie gras but spelled with a wa for washington um but like i feel like i don't know talking about eating uh animal parts specific animal i don't know i just felt like that

was a little yeah probably i'm gonna put that right below big jumper okay okay but above froggy

mcfrog face face oh yeah everything's above froggy mcfrog no that's towards the top in my view um

i feel like we got a couple more okay so hi cheryl cheryl and corvallis forgive me i mr dobelina mr bolina oh mr bob dobelina is that a mr dobelina reference maybe but where's the frog mr dobelina i might be mispronouncing this mr dobelina oh she did oh she did oh and say in Prince, he's Mr. Frog Dabalina.

Ah, there you go. Mr. Dabalina, Mr. Frog Dabalina. Mr. Dabalina, Mr. Frog Dabalina. Mr. Dabalina, Mr. Frog Dabalina. It's actually kind of fun to say. I like that. Flag it.

I don't think I know that one.

You really make me sick with your fraudulent behavior. Who is that? That's not Tribe, is it? Is that Tribe? Isn't that Del? Is that Del, the Funky Homo Sapien? Is it?

I'm going to look that up. What else do we have on the list? I'm going to look that up. I'm going to look up those lyrics

Here's a couple more This is from Haley in Arizona Sent in Toad the Damp Sprocket

Okay that's pretty good I'm into that

Haley also sent in a couple more Frog and Toad are friends Like the children's book Did I go off on that whole story

On the show recently about Frog and Toad And the TikTok that I saw about it What an absolutely lovely I mean everybody loves those books and those stories But the actual real lived experience of the guy who wrote the book.

You said go off. I thought you were about to say something real negative.

I'm pretty sure it's a good story. No, I think I was getting emotional. It's not just the Supergirl trailer that makes me cry. It's also talking about the life story of the guy who wrote Frog and Toad.

Luke, I hate to sharpshoot you, but you said it was Del the Funky Homo Sapien. It's actually Del the Funky Homo Sapien. Boy, I was stupid. I know. I feel like I'm always embarrassing you on the show. No, good poll. I did not know that that was him. I know this song, but I didn't remember that that was him.

he's also somebody's cousin I remember somebody who was like maybe more famous in hip hop at the time I don't know if it was like Ice Cube's cousin or something but anyway Cheryl I just want to say

you're right Ice Cube according to AI unless AI is learning this information from us talking to this I'm just going to get back out

I apologize Cheryl again for mispronouncing and reading the wrong part there so here's a couple more names Haley also said Santos L. Hopper I don't know if that's a specific

reference santos l hopper who would that be santos l hopper maybe just like a fun name for the frog

yeah or a mashup of sam l jackson and dennis hopper i don't know or george santos or george no i kibosh that one uh and then uh we got a couple from our friend hollywood mike who which by the way shout out to mike uh was in the twin cities visiting family and he and i got a beer the other night it was good to hang out and meet in person really cool i think i got a selfie of you guys i don't know he didn't send you because we were at the place we're at was called ted's and so you want to point out like teddy's as close as you can get um all right and then so mike sends in uh uh dumbass like don't do donbass donbass

That's a long ago reference. God, that's like more than 10 years ago, right? Somebody left you a note on your car. They call you a Donbass. Oh.

Yeah. They didn't like how I had parked, and they left, I think, a post-it note. I think they were trying to write dumbass, but they didn't know how to spell it, and it was Donbass. So who's the Donbass now? The region of Ukraine.

Donbass. So Mike sent in that one, and then also, I like this one, Tangent the Frog. Tangent the Frog. Just always going on tangents.

Yeah. That could be a mascot for us, Tangent the Frog.

Yeah, I think, oh, the only other one here I think from this week I didn't mention so far. There's a couple. There's two more. There's two more if we've got time for two more. Listener Corinne, who I think is down in Alabama, right? Yeah, she's got a hot air balloon. Wrote in the mighty amphibitian. I'm probably. Okay. I like that. I like working in the tent. Sure, yeah, yeah. Amphibitian. That was a good one.

That's a TBTL listener that can go in the water and the land. That's right. Yes. but they cannot regulate their blood temperature by themselves. They have to lie on a rock.

Kind of a problem with a lot of our listeners.

And then listener Seth sent in frog bog log like... Oh, like

bob log. Yeah, frog bog log.

How do you say that, Andrew? Bob

blah blah? Is that... Bob blah blah? Yeah, I think it's because he has a law blog too, right? Is Bob blah blah's

law blog? I'm kind of sad that that character was wasted on Scott Bayo, who He turned out to be kind of a turd.

But I think it was because of the Fonzie connection, right? Because you had Henry Winkler, so they had to bring in... I did not even put that together. That show was genius, and it's casting in that way.

And also, What's-His-Face was the narrator. Ron Howard was the narrator. Ron Howard was the narrator. So you've got more connections.

Well, those are all really good. Actually, that's not true. They're not all really good. But it was fun to hear them, and some of them were really good. And I'm not going to say which is which, but no, that was great. thank you everyone who sent them in keep them coming because yeah we can we can't have too many ideas I feel like for me right now I don't know Mr. Frog Dobbolina is pretty good

I like Rosie the Ribbeter a lot oh yeah Rosie the Ribbeter Jackie Jorpjump Jackie Jorpjump is I think my favorite all around and also just ties in with TVTL lore do you remember who sent that one in yeah that was

kudos to them because that is i think that's jackie jorp that was adrian in new york city

i didn't work thanks adrian i didn't think anything could um beat rosie the ribbeter to me i was somebody had emailed me that earlier this week and i was delighted by that but man jackie jorp jump is great but keep them coming we have not officially closed the uh the list on

and send them to me john john at tbtl that not don't don't text or email andrew he will delete

immediately and curse you all right so we're getting maybe a little closer to a name for the frog but we're not getting any closer to understanding the animal that is the frog the amphibian that is the frog um because andrews you've already established you're a little squeamish i didn't grow up i mean i did grow up by green lake and probably if i would have had more like i don't know huck finn tendencies maybe i could have been you know catching frogs there i wasn't growing up so i don't have a ton of experience john do you have any experience with frogs yourself

i uh we had a family cabin in the catskill mountains that uh my grandfather and my green uncles built back in the day and so i was very fortunate with my youth to go there and we would go on like nature hikes and find like tadpoles and frogs and toads and stuff like that but like i wasn't like capture capturing them was never the three of us you have the most experience but it's very it's very non not a lot but yeah well thankfully we got this email from our friend

simeon who said i recently moved to dayton ohio from indianapolis um and i am a trained volunteer for frog watch usa a citizen scientist network which monitors wetlands to collect data about local frogs and toads during peak breeding season for use by researchers and conservation agencies, and so we thought we would give Simeon a call to get some of his expertise on all things frog. Ahoy hoy! And Simeon is joining us right now from what, somewhere in Illinois? Baba Booey! Ahoy hoy! Yeah! Well played. Thanks for pulling over. You're pulled over on the side of the road in Illinois? Well, I'm at a Love's Travel Stop by a kind of dog park. Nice. and you're also the person if I understand it who left us a voicemail that we used to start the show recently how you had the distinct honor and privilege to be the first person to use a freshly

cleaned restroom at a local park yo that state park it was a it was Ohio State Park and I yeah the

The chrome was glistening like Mr. Clean's bald head.

How early did you have to get to a state park bathroom to be the first one to use it?

Nine-ish, nine or 9.30, and you could tell the park maintenance people were mowing the lawn then. You could tell it was like the cleaning buckets were outside, and they were now running the weed eaters.

Were you at that state park because of your FrogWatch USA duties?

No, I was just having a swim. I was just going for a swim at the beach.

I've told you too much. There's no beach there. How did you get involved with something called Frog Watch USA?

I've done other volunteering with different habitat restoration stuff. I like nature. I like fishing and kayaking and stuff. So I was moving to a new community. I've recently moved to Dayton. and I was Googling around for stuff, and I don't know, somehow the Internet rabbit hole knew what I liked, and I found that.

And so when you're doing Frog Watch USA stuff, you're going out and, like, counting the frogs? What are you guys actually doing out there in the field?

Okay, so it's a citizen science project, a lot like eBird or the Christmas bird count. It's people all around the country who have joined the network and are doing things just in their backyard or ponds at their local park. And what you'll do is you'll go out around the evening time, about half an hour before, two and a half hour after sunset, and you will listen for five minutes at a time. So you spend two minutes just with no sounds, just like kind of acclimating your ears. And then for exactly three minutes, you listen very closely and know exactly which species of frogs you hear calling during that three minutes, and then record them on a data sheet, and then submit that data to the organization.

That's so cool.

So have you become an expert on frog sounds? Well, what I found out is you need to go to exactly one evening training to be the biggest expert on frogs that anybody knows, so much that you get on a national podcast.

I'm sorry, you mean international? International, yeah. Okay, just wanted to clean that up for you a little bit there. Yeah.

Because, Andrew, I know you have some frog sounds that you were going to see. Simeon, we were going to maybe play some frog sounds and see if you wanted to give your best guess as to what frogs we were playing for you.

Yeah, you made a huge mistake by telling me that you can sometimes identify the actual different species of frogs. Because I'm guessing that wherever you are, like, there's only, about how many different frog species sounds are you currently familiar with?

oof okay so you've got the hey finally something that's good for an audio medium yeah uh we don't usually do that on the show um first time for everything wow are we getting burned okay so sorry you've got a um the the basic so bullfrogs we're going to talk a lot about bullfrogs today give your basic croak right your your crow then you hear that that's a bro bullfrog then you got your green frogs which do kind of more of a like maybe a bowstring or like a timpani drum being struck just once but then you get into all the ones that go like and those are the tricky ones because they all have different uh you know different pitches some of them have more or less raspiness like some of them will be real crisp while others kind of sound like they're being blown through a kazoo with, like, maybe a loose paper or something. And then they have also longer and shorter periods. So, like, green – sorry, tree frogs will maybe do, like, just one of maybe five-ish seconds or so. But a toad might go more like 20 seconds. I'll spare us all that.

Okay, so a toad – that's right. We've tried to figure this out on the show. A toad is a kind of frog.

so so there's two meanings of frogs kind of like a tomato is a fruit or vegetable thing um there's the common usage of frog and then the scientific usage of frog scientifically frogs refer to the whole species which includes toads okay um but then but then within that family of and that order of animals uh there's actually three there's the frogs which have uh slimier skin and spend more of their time in water. There's the toads that have bumpier skin and, you know, hibernate in mud out of the water and are a little more terrestrial. There's also something called the spade foot, which is a bit endangered and is kind of between a frog and toad and has so-called, because its back foot is a little different, it has an extra

extra claw for hole digging okay that's really that's all really interesting no joke like this is fascinating we we had the the the right listener on for this so oh we're gonna jump in

well i was just gonna ask so then you you're like listening very carefully for these sounds and then you're taking notes and then do you like basically bring the data back to someone and say this is how many bullfrog noises i heard and then they try to come up with a sense of like how many frogs are

out there right well it's much much like again if any listeners are familiar with other more common citizen science apps there's especially ebird and christmas bird count is a big example of this right so it's people all over the country uploading their their data to a database and then whenever you know conservation organizations or university researchers and so on want to conduct want to have access to data they turn to those databases and use them to determine you know migration patterns or, you know, shifts in native habitat and so on. Cool.

Well, I want to play some frog sounds for you and see if you can identify them. And I just want to remind the listening audience that you are on a telephone. You're on a cellular telephone as you are pulled over along the side of the road somewhere in Indiana. So if you don't recognize these. Illinois. I mean, they both start with eyes. Can you give me a break? It's the homosapien, Luke. Okay, so here is the first sound I'm going to play for you. Try to identify this. We're going to hopefully start in your wheelhouse. I got eight hours of that. I can play the whole thing for you, or you do want to jump in. Do you know what that is? I can't hear anything. You were not able to hear that. Interesting.

I was not able to hear that.

All right, John, it's on you. Yeah.

You're the senior frog expert among the three of us.

I believe that's a cheetah. Yes. This is the cheetah as it stalks its prey. So I'm sorry that you can't hear that. You know, we did a little test before the show. Maybe there's something about the sound of frogs that the cell service is sort of cutting out. But that was the bullfrog for the listeners who did hear that.

That is not what I thought it was going to sound like, honestly.

That, and let me, I almost said this when you were introducing Simeon, but I didn't want to interrupt, but like, for me, that right there, in fact, I'll keep this playing underneath me a little bit here. This is my experience with frogs, because this is the sound, along with like crickets, and generally speaking, the summer country air, this is what I went to bed to every night, and it makes me so nostalgic, because, you know, we had a little pond in our backyard, and there's a reason why Valley City is the frog jump capital, you know? Like, there are tons and tons and tons of frogs in Valley City, and I would just go to bed every night to the chorus of frogs in our backyard and just, like, the various backyards, and it is so comforting to me. I really, really miss that. Are you going to start playing that at night when you go to bed, like a white noise? It's not a bad idea. It's not a bad idea. I'm going to play another one here, and, Simeon, I don't know if this will come through any better. I kind of doubt it.

Maybe it was just the low tones of that one.

Yeah, maybe it was the low tones.

If not, I'll do an impression of the sound that Andrew plays, and then we'll see if you can get it from that, Simeon. I love this. Okay, here. Try this. I'm sorry. No, I don't hear anything. Okay, here's what it sounds like, Simeon. This is good.

Were they that close together?

Yeah, pretty much.

did they sound more like wood or more like like did they sound more woody or more kind of almost like uh like a bowstring they had like they had like woody to me they had floral

notes and almost like a into please this is already complicated i think that so yeah they're

only called um they're only called green frogs if they're from the green frog region of france but i

think no you know what this was actually amazing that was a green frog that was wow amazing that was the green frog. Luke heard it, then imitated it over the line. Alright, just to be clear though. This is really groundbreaking radio

by the way. You're ending the week strong.

Can you hear this? I can. You can hear that. So why is it that you can hear Pearl Jam but not the sound of frogs? That is interesting. If I put you out in a field somewhere and we played Temple of the Dog, Pearl Jam, Alice in Chains, would you be able to, like, sort of tell them apart and then send a report into Akron?

I don't think any agency is trying to conserve those sounds. Oh, dear. Jeez Louise. All right. Well, I feel like I almost want to quit while we're ahead with the frog sounds because that was so awesome. That was really awesome. I'm really sorry and try and do another one.

You know what? Maybe we can save these sounds here. I'm going to do I'm going to do one here. I'll do one more here. Oh, yeah. Oh, OK, sure. Do you recognize that cartoon frog? Yeah. He just played the sound of a cartoon frog.

He's not Coco for Cocoa Puffs. He wants to eat some circular-shaped cereal.

That's right. Smacks, I believe, right? Digum. Was it like Digum the Frog or something like that? And what were those called?

Honey smacks?

Honey smacks, I want to say. Like it's smacks of honey?

Honey smacks, yeah. And he was like a cool frog, right?

Yeah. Do you wear like a letterman's jacket or something like that? That sounds about right. Maybe a ball cap or something like that. Well, I'm sorry that the audio thing didn't work, but maybe like later on we can get you back on the line I got a pretty major W on my green flag impression, though. I'm really impressed with that.

And by the way, full mark, Simeon, because you actually did the hard work. You guessed it based on my impression. Can I ask you a couple of other quick frog-related questions? One being, do you know anything about, like, I don't know what kind of options we're going to have, but this is a frog jump contest in Valley City, Ohio. Is there a particular kind of frog that is known for its jumping skills? And again, I guess this would also involve you understanding the local frogs of Valley City, Ohio. But, I mean, what should we be looking for in a frog?

100%. So if you're looking at the big old jumpers, you've got kind of three, but honestly two species. So there's your bullfrog. That's the famous biggest and strongest one. The green frog is also pretty good. And then the leopard frog, although leopard frogs may be a little bit smaller body than the green frogs. So we're looking for a bullfrog or a green frog. bullfrogs are your best chance of finding a big one so you want the biggest thickest one but you want it to be athletic we don't want one with a big old fat tummy because that one's either really old or possibly pregnant so it's not going to be athletic or in the mood for doing sports so we've probably a bullfrog however i'd guess this if you find both a bullfrog and a green frog of similar size and athleticism i think the green frog will be jumping farther but it's a

little bit less of a guarantee that you're going to find such a big honking green frog okay and my other question is and i don't know if in when you're doing frog watch stuff you ever end up actually handling any of the frogs or if you just maybe growing up ever went and got a frog but how do we you know we want to get this frog very humanely we want to keep them in a terrarium where they've got everything they need i think we're going to try to really leave them alone but like how do we kind of deal with the frog with well minimally bugging it we don't want to mess with this frog any any more than than we have to and we are of course going to take the frog back to where we found it and and you know reintegrate it into its life when we're done

with this what's your advice on that topic sure well the the main piece of advice you said already is um is the back to where we found it part um so i mean i've i'm a school teacher and and we we sometimes have a frog as a class pet um and and then the biologists of course that work with them keep them a lot they're perfectly happy in terrariums i mean if anything they're not going to be eaten by an eagle or a bass um you know just common sense stuff keep them spritzed uh if you're keeping them for more than 24 hours or something and get some some mealworms so you're saying that

they actually seem pretty pretty comfortable in the terrarium you know like that they're not they're not super freaked out to be in there as long as they're being kind of well taken care of

and not messed with too much yeah no i i don't think uh no i i have not noticed any signs of froggy distress in fact they're quite once they realize that they're not in danger you'll kind of see them they're curious they'll look at you you can kind of see that they've got a they're interested with what's going on and uh know that they're in a safe place i think that's great yeah you said something i'm sorry yeah don't don't uh don't don't keep up a couple tips don't don't keep them in, like, water that they have to swim in. We see them swimming, but that's not their—they want to be on dry land. So give them a terrarium with some puddles, spritz them, miss them, and then, yeah, make sure to bring them back to where you found them if you release them because if you release them into different bodies of water, it can be—it really lowers their chances of survival. They're confused. They don't know the turf. And also it can be a vector for disease transmission or even invasive species spread

if you, like, took them across county. I am personally delivering this frog back to the exact place we got it from, and I will stay the night to make sure that it's not scared.

Hey, this is not a good wrap-em-up question, and I apologize for it, but you said something in passing that I found very interesting. Did you say that a frog could be eaten by a bass? fish bass bass bass yeah yeah for sure their frogs are lots of bass catfish um yeah i mean they're they're a great prey this is why so this this ties back into um where to find the bull frogs and green frogs most frogs do not actually live in permanent bodies of water if we might see them occasionally in a lake or a river but that frog does not want to be there and is trying to get away because it is the most delicious piece of meat floating down the river uh they mostly live in the in the puddles and the the vernal pools in the wetlands adjacent to bodies of water the exception being bullfrogs who do live in in ponds that last year round so if we're looking for the biggest frog then we can look at kind of you know golf course ponds or little little retention ponds or something but most frogs yeah do not want to be in the river because

everybody thinks they're delicious oh wow wow i didn't know that fish could because i i don't know just about maybe body shape and size and stuff i couldn't picture a fish eating a frog

but that's interesting what what um what grade do you teach or what subject do you teach

um i'm a multilingual teacher what they used to call an esl teacher i did most of my career speaking of international listeners i did most of my career teaching abroad but i'm back home

in the midwest now that's awesome you have a really really clear concise way of explaining

this stuff you're well suited to that job thank you i especially like the part where you roasted Luke and Andrew for what makes for good content on the show.

Yeah, it took us a while to bounce back from that, but I think we got there eventually. Did I brutally

pod-mog you within an interview?

Oh, wait a minute. That's exactly what happened. Brutally, that's, I'm starting to hear a frog nickname in there somewhere. Oh, well, didn't somebody suggest pod-vicular,

frog-vicular? No, but I'm talking about

brutally frog-mogged us

or something. I mean, this has been really great, man. I think we were in some way or another, like, let's stay in touch. OK, we need to check in with you, I think, especially maybe once we're in Valley City. I'd like to maybe get you to maybe weigh in on what's going on with us and our pet frog.

A hundred percent. Yeah. And I would invite anybody listening. I don't know if I'm on the Stens page. I don't use Facebook a lot. But if they see me around on social media or have follow-up questions about Frog Watch or, I don't know, just Midwest-related TVTO stuff, they can feel free to give my email or phone number or whatever. Where the cleanest bathrooms are?

I won't give that information away.

That information I'm taking to my grave.

Yes. And, again, I don't know your schedule, Simeon, but, you know, we will be in Ohio on that Sunday for the Frog Jump. So maybe we'll see you out there at the Frog Jump if you can make it over.

Yeah, I'm a schoolteacher on summer holiday who's also recently divorced, so I have got nothing on my calendar, man. I am wide open.

Well, if you want to start a support group with me for handsome divorcees, we can do that, too, in Ohio. Wait, am I a divorcee if I'm a feller, or does that usually apply to the woman?

It sounds genderless.

No, actually, in this case, the women are the divorcees, and the men are the divorce estresses. Okay.

It's amazing that I was apologizing for a last question that didn't seem like a good wrap-em-up. And now here we are. And now here we are.

I make no apologies. Hey, Simeon, thank you so much. We'll talk to you soon. That's right. We'll see you in Ohio.

All right, thanks.

So that was Simeon. Simeon really knows his frogs I have to say for a moment when I was like this is a volunteer position and something he's doing to kind of get to know the area I was like well we'll see how deep the knowledge goes no that guy really knows what he's talking about

and you're absolutely right about his ability to kind of let me put it this way if I understand it you are really good at explaining things especially in the biology realm

you can tell that he's a person who's stood in front of a bunch of young minds and explain things so those young minds could grasp it, which is, I think, about where we sort of test out, too, on the show. So it's kind of perfect for us.

That's a good day, yeah. I'm so blown away that, Luke, you had to translate from the sound. That was amazing. That was genuinely awesome.

Why do you think that he could hear the Pearl Jam, but not the frogs? I think that the phone systems are too smart these days. I think they're filtering out stuff that they think is extraneous noise.

We also missed the ultimate test because he couldn't hear the frog sounds but he could hear the music of Eddie Vedder but what we didn't play for him was the WB theme song which is a frog singing. Hello my baby hello my dog. That's what I should have done instead of smacks. That's the ultimate test.

Damn.

Get him back on the line. We'll try it next time when we have him on. Absolutely. Well that was a lot of fun guys. That was fun yeah. I'm getting very...

excited about uh about ohio this is going to be this is going to be super great so um yeah can't wait um all right i guess that's going to do it for today's episode and bring us to the end of our broadcast week thanks everybody for spending all this time with us we're going to be back here on monday with more imaginary radio for all of you uh in the meantime uh have a great weekend everybody stay safe john thanks for being here as always yeah glad to appreciate you please send those uh frog suggestions my way yes john john at tbtl.net andrew thank you as always good luck with your pulse now be careful out there we need you to have both hands for ohio do we oh yeah yes oh yeah okay we do we do so um anyway good luck with that we'll hear about that on monday i'm sure and uh we'll have lots of other stuff to report on as well so we'll see you then in the meantime take care of yourselves and please remember no mountain too tall and good luck to all power out You're welcome.