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Is there, and I'm just guessing here, some kind of medication that you maybe need a lot of and have taken none of, or maybe too much of today?

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Well, all right, hello, good morning, and welcome everyone to a Tuesday edition of TBTL, the show that just might be too beautiful to live. Oh, la la. My name's Luke Burbank. I'm your host. Yeah, everyone's got a podcast. Coming to you from the Madrona Hill studio. Come back, baby! Perched high above the mighty Columbia, where it is just an absolutely spectacular July the 21st.

Oh, ma, pa, it's just beautiful.

Except for the fact that it's going to be in the 90s of degrees today here in southern Washington. It's going to be very hot. It's going to be very uncomfortable for everybody. Good news, though, we have everything is mowed down the pool filter. And by pool, I mean the livestock tank that I bought at Tractor Supply. Appears to be working. And I will be, I'm sure, fully submerged in it by the end of the day. Trying to survive the heat. As we've arrived, folks, at episode 4775 in a collector's series. Let the fun begin. A lot of people trying to beat the heat by going indoors, watching movies, maybe watching The Odyssey. Somehow, Hot Break feels good in a place like this. But there is a movie trailer that is playing before the Odyssey that is absolutely terrifying.

I am petrified, petrified with this story.

People are wondering if it's okay to play the trailer for Other Mommy before the Odyssey when people didn't sign up to go to a horror film. We'll talk about that. And we'll say hello to this guy, longest running co-bro of the show, maybe best known. Well, let me just let the tape do the talking. He may be best known for his depictions of the tall ships, capturing their grace and power. He's Andrew Walsh, and he's joining me right now. Good morning, and welcome back, my friend. Good morning, Luke. Welcome back. Right back at ya.

How are you feeling? Pretty good. I don't know if you saw me disappear from your screen for a second. I stayed up late last night hooking all the equipment back up in my studio, except there was one piece of equipment that I thought, well, I can do without it today. And I can't. It's just the headphone amp. But I figured during your intro, maybe I could plug in the headphone amp and just get the final piece in place so that we're all back to normal. So that you could be at full capacity. Exactly. I don't need it for this show. When I'm doing this show with you, I can just plug my headphones directly into my audio board. That's all I need. I need to hear you. I need to hear me. I need to hear the wonderful audio drops that we provide to the listeners. I was going to say free of charge, but you know what? Today would be a weird day to claim that. But, by the way, thank you. Cost of charge. Thank you to everybody who donated during this year's TBTL-a-thon, including, as I learned recently, my parents, who are now official donors of TBTL. All we had to do was do the TBTL-a-thon in their backyard and let them feed us pizza.

All we had to do was eat some of their free pizza and salad.

Exactly. I even tried to pick up the tab. They took me to lunch yesterday, a big, big lunch, and they refused to let me pay. And now that I know that they're donors, I feel even worse about that.

Where did they take you? Out there in, what is it, Lakewood?

Yes. No, well, no. Well, they're in Westlake. And I think the place is in Westlake as well. I'm going to type this in. I believe it's called Thai Spice. It's an Italian place.

Bob really going in for the sort of South Asian food. And not South Asian, that'd be India. But the, like, you know, he recommended a Cambodian slash Vietnamese place. Yeah, he loves that. That place, as do I.

To get a Thai spice.

Yeah, and it was a bit of a warm day yesterday, too. And they had the idea of going to kind of a Mediterranean place that I like a lot. But there was something a little starchy about the Mediterranean fare that, for some reason, to me, a good bowl of chilled vermicelli noodles with some mint sounded like it was right up my alley. And so we went to a place called Thai spice, which was really good. But we got soups. We shared spring rolls. It was a feast. I had not eaten in a long time. and so it was a real feast and then I was like you know what though I'm going to secretly not like make a big deal of it but I thought I could pick up the tab because they had done so much for us this past week during the THON hosting us again hosting a pizza party at their place for you me and John and everything and my dad refused and there's always that moment where you're like listen I am sincere about this I'm not just like pretend like slowly saying slowly reaching for it and quietly saying let me get it hoping that somebody will be like no no no don't worry about it like i legitimately wanted to do it but also you can see how it can become stressful if you push too hard and the person does not want to accept that and so i i said okay and there's a father-son dynamic exactly yeah and so i think we i think we did it right the irony is

that i don't think my parents have ever picked up a check in my presence oh i find that hard to

believe well first of all they don't eat out ever yeah that's true i'm taking them that is true and And I will say that dining out is a big part of of my parents' culture, especially now that they're retired. And as a kid, as kids, we were very lucky to experience that as well. But now that they're retired, I think they you know, that's that's what they love to do. Go out and try some of their favorite places, whatnot.

Now, my parents did pick up the check when I was a kid, when we would go to Burger Master with the entertainment book. They did get the check. So it's not true that they've never picked up a check. But in my adulthood, let's say north of 25, in my life, they have never, ever at a restaurant picked up a check. I'm sure that they've probably been to, like, 10 restaurants since I turned 25. My parents have probably been to 10 restaurants, and it's been with me all 10 times. Because I was like, hey, we should go, let's get some pizza or something. And then, of course, because, you know, I want to have everything the way I want to have it. I want to have soda. I want the toppings I want.

My dad would not pay for my soda. That was the one thing that I had to pay for.

It was B-Y-O-D-C when I went to their lovely home. I did bring my own Diet Coke.

I know. Don't say that if they're listening to this because my dad was texting me the night before and he wanted to know what kind of sodas we wanted and he wanted to know special orders for the pizza and I didn't want to put them out and I said, don't worry about the soda. We'll drink whatever is in the fridge. So if they hear that you brought your own Diet Coke because they were not prepared, It'll break their damn hearts

Well no, the way that went down And by the way, right now I'm narrowcasting To Bob and Joyce You also have my dad's number, you can just text him this Oh yeah, that's right, I need to catch up with him It's been over 12 hours since we texted I remember when we were Maybe we were stopping at our favorite Marathon gas station Oh yeah Or maybe we were just heading into the Liverpool Township Community Center But at some point, you mentioned Just casually, you were like, oh they asked if we wanted anything to drink and I said water is fine. That's my memory of it. Oh, so I did tell

you that. Yeah, because they always have sparkling water and various kinds of diet soda but my dad is a Pepsi house and I figured you are not a Pepsi person.

That's where you're wrong, my friend. I'm quite flexible on the Coke v Pepsi situation, which is kind of rare. Most people are pretty hardcore one way or the other. But when you said that, then I was like, oh, and I had these two Diet Cokes that I bought at the gas station. I thought, well, I'll just bring these along. there's something i like about the effervescence of and i and yes uh soda water bubble water does also have effervescence so i don't know why this is important to me but i like a a cola a diet cola with my soda or sorry with my pizza for some reason the thing i was going to say about the the getting the check thing if you ever are just deeply committed to the project what i do and i just did this when we were in um calistoga california i've been calling it um sonoma just kind of colloquially but it was actually calistoga we went out and got dinner one of the nights and i wanted to make sure that i paid for it because everybody was being so generous hosting us and all that i get up to go to the restroom before the meal is over and i slip the waiter my card and i say this is for our table please do not let anyone else there pay that's the way you do it you know

i did that one time and it got me kind of in trouble i tried that with genevieve's dad one time in fremont and this is why i like it i think that and and he did and he like somehow they hadn't quite run the card yet and he caught me and it was like again that's actually filed a restraining order against the restaurant yeah they have closed down they're under a different ownership now and joined them from processing your card But it really, that was the first time where it really was uncomfortable for me. And then that's when I learned, you know what? Make the offer. Be sincere. But if it starts to get weird, don't play any funny games. And now you were with a bunch of friends and stuff, which is a very different dynamic. Father-in-law-ish. And like you say, father-son, father-in-law-ish. And so I'm not telling you that what you did was wrong. That's very sweet. I agree with you like that. But again, that moment, it was kind of tense because I think that maybe there was some sort of, I don't know, maybe there's some power dynamics there or something that I was certainly not trying to tread on. But it definitely made him very uncomfortable and he refused it and it kind of became a little bit, I felt very uncomfortable around the server during the moment when it was revealed that I was trying to do that. And so that's when I was kind of like, you know what, my new thing is I will be upfront about it. But if somebody is like so insistent that it sort of seems like it's really important to them and it's almost like worse for them if I try to pay, then just try to accept it graciously. And you know me, Luke. I'm somebody who's known for accepting things graciously.

You and Genevieve are actually very gracious about getting the tab on things. And I've always appreciated that about you, about the fact that you guys are – I feel like you don't splurge on yourselves a lot. but you are very generous with other people, which I think is the kindest way you can be in the world. And you're right. Parent stuff, in-law stuff, particularly with, I guess, men, there can be a dynamic of like, oh, I couldn't let you get it. What I would like to know is, where do I find those parents? They got zero problem with me paying.

It's sweet, though. You know that. I know that on the occasions that you're taking your parents out, I'm sure you enjoy that, and you're forming very nice. I'm just saying that because I know that you're teasing and it is funny, but I also know that deep down you don't actually harbor that at all. You know what I mean?

I don't harbor that, but it is the case that I do come from people where the parent-child relationship is in certain ways inverted. Sure, yeah. And that is— They come to do laundry at your house. They show up unannounced on a Saturday night.

And get concerned when other people— At my house.

and think my friends are burglarizing the place only because they were there watching the fireworks and my parents were not supposed to necessarily be there. You know what my parents did do, and it was very, very sweet. If I'm giving them a hard time here in absentia, and I pray to God, nobody tell my parents about this episode. I pray it's in absentia. When I got married for the first time, they paid for the rehearsal dinner at Cafe Lago. and it was not a huge affair but I'm going to say there had to be 25 people or something and I think that bill was into the thousands of dollars, a thousand dollars and they paid for that and that was extremely generous and at the time they were still raising like they still had like five kids under their roof or something so they are good for it when called upon Oh absolutely and Cafe Lago

Cafe Lago is a very nice place It's like, it's not like, I don't know how to describe it, but it's not like the type of place that, what's the really fancy place? Like your parents would take you like a hula hand. It's not a Thai spice. That sounds so good to me right now for whatever reason. Have I already told the story of the tab at the bar? I've told so many people this, I can't remember if I told it on the show or not, but the tab that I picked up.

I don't think it came up in the ride to or from the Frogger.

Yeah, let's talk about this for a second. this was astounding to me so we had some time to kill I was just going to say the Cafe Lago it's a very nice restaurant it's not like that tier of dining that is like that place on Aurora that I'm blanking on which is the most famous restaurant the most the most famous restaurant in Seattle oh canless canless like the epitome of fine dining fine dining but I'm just saying 20 people at a nice Italian restaurant on a celebratory occasion where people are pouring wine and what have you like that's a very very generous thing I just wanted to give them another nod for that. But so we had this we had a really great Saturday that, again, I don't think we talked about on the show yet, but we went to see that Guardians game, which was supposed to be a 4 p.m. game in Cleveland. But it got pushed back because of varying factors regarding the weather. And so it ended up starting at like 830 or something. So we had a lot of time to kill. This is you, me, John Sklaroff, who the listeners might know as TBTL employee numero uno and my friend Jessica Pinter. and we were all just hanging out, having a good time, right? Like kind of walking by, I showed you my old house where I used to live, Lake Erie, Screw, the like. And then we had some time to kill. That was such a fun Saturday. It really was a fun Saturday. And then we had time to kill before taking the train, by the way, taking the rapid transit into Cleveland to see the game. And so we went to this little, I would call it a dive bar. I think people overused that. It wasn't.

you know kelly's yeah it's called kelly's and it's like on the near west side of cleveland it's right on the edge of lakewood although i don't think it's technically lakewood and so it's not an area lakewood has a lot of bars but this is there's nothing at all trendy about this bar there's it's not even an area with like a lot of walking traffic where it is it's just a bar right with probably a lot of regulars it's a place that has keno and pull tabs and darts and i think there was a pool table back there just that that kind of vibe irish bar obviously and um i picked up a couple of rounds and i did well and i did well on uh pull tabs too um and sure did yeah how about

that as you had declared ohio pull tabs a scam i really i thought that there was a hell of a tab

there just are no winners in ohio um i mean pull tabs so i bought and decided to itemize this i don't know if this is if this is tedious but i remember i got the first round i think like pinter and john both got draft beers right but there were those really tall draft beers you know like whatever i don't know they are 20 something ounces so two tall draft beers just like miller light or something i know that i drank three bottles of beer it was i had a jameson labat blue you had i hope it's okay to say this but it's important to the point of the story you had three jamesons but i will also say they were that explains a lot of the rest of the evening yes you had three now they weren't realize it was three i will say this that checks out but they were like bar pours as opposed to like eagle pours or something in other words they were fine they were shots but they weren't like the kind of like brimming shots that need surface tension to keep it all in you know those those types of places but they were you know just respectable but i would just say straight shots but also just so the listeners know this wasn't in like 15 minutes we were there for probably two hours certainly at least we were watching the world cup we're watching the world cup you guys were playing keno it was just a fun afternoon but so so that's that's everything that i picked up like five beers including two very tall drafts and a few shots of whiskey right and i went to pay the this is kind of key too i'm not saying this to pat myself on the back but when i went to collect my winnings from the poll tabs i tipped about 20 bucks okay that was about 10 percent or something like that and so and and the bartender seemed to appreciate that and so when she gave me the bill for all those drinks i just itemized and i looked at it my first thought was was she happy with the tip and she just like cut this bill in two thirds or something the total did i tell you what the total was do you know what it was for those my memory is that it was 24 It was $22. It was $21.90 something. I could not believe that you could drink that much. And so all of this is to say, and I'm sorry if this is tedious, but I'm moving to Ohio. And I'm living at Kelly's. I'm going to live above the bar at Kelly's.

What happened was, and which is weird because it's a one-story building.

That is a true story.

There's nothing. You will be living on the roof. Have you heard of? Cuddled next to the HVAC thing. you came back to the table and um i think i was also sort of in uh you know i was enjoying myself and and uh and john and jessica had gotten very locked in on the game of kino like we were it was kind of a team event and again i was feeling good i might have hit a number or two and you said did you get part because i think i had gotten a subsequent round while you had gone on a little errand yeah so you came back and you're like did you get some of that round or something and i got to be honest with you i really wanted to claim credit for it because you just seem so kind of like pleased and confused and like why was my tab not what it was and i really wanted to i wanted to get an attaboy from you for paying for your round but i didn't this is actually that i kind of i

totally forgot about that aspect of it luke and this ties back into what we were just talking about i thought you did something like you were just talking about doing in in not sonoma you You know what I mean? I thought that you had decided to go in. Calistoga'd you. Don't you ever correct me. I thought that you or somebody had gone and paid this. And again, I'm not trying to demean this bar or these prices, but everything was much more affordable there. And also, I will say this, and you know that I love Seattle, and I love my Seattle Mariners, when I'm not cursing them out, and I love the experience at T-Mobile Park. to say that things are cheaper at progressive field in cleveland is maybe obvious it is a lot cheaper there but also can i say this better sausage was so much better there than it is in seattle i had did you know about my secret sausage did i admit that to you you did i admitted that to some people i came back i told you guys i was going on a mission to get one of these

sausages i had seen may i set it up for the listeners in how i experienced this event and then later on the the news of what had happened you were like we we you and i went down actually i was going to get a hot dog i was going to lapse on my vegetarianism which ultimately i did

didn't do but my I wanted to get a hot dog and you were looking for a sausage and I somehow got it in my mind maybe because of the three Jamesons that somehow we were not going to be able to find what we needed at the same place which is kind of silly because probably the place that had sausage would have hot dogs but you went off to get your sausage I went off to get my hot dogs which ended up turning into nachos later we're sitting down Jesus was there yeah there was two sets of footprints in the nacho cheese and then you i remember you saying later i'm so full from that sausage i'm incredibly full and then i thought well that could definitely be the result of having a sausage and then later in the night you clarified something which was i had when i

went to go get the sausages they were wrapped up in the tinfoil and i love that you know i actually have i ever told you that i did do that at home sometimes it's been a while but sometimes when I'm really craving like a ballpark experience. There's something that happens with the bun when you wrap it up in tinfoil with a steamed hot tub.

I should do that with my little veggie dog thing.

I actually don't like toasted buns very much because I don't like that crackling feeling. I like the opposite. I like my breads to be like very, very soft. I like to gum them. And so I picked up one of the sausages that was wrapped tightly in the tinfoil and it was under like the heat lamp or whatever. And it was pretty late in the game, right? And I grabbed one, and I was so hungry. And it seemed kind of small in my hand, in my giant hand. I was just kind of holding it and considering it, and I was considering the sausage. And I thought, you know what, I can eat two of these. And so I just buy two, and then I open up the first one to put some of that really good Cleveland Ballpark mustard on it. Which I ate directly out of the packet. You did. Phenomenal. And then chased with yellow mustard, which you claimed was not as good. Which was not phenomenal. I was trying to do a little Pepsi challenge, and that Cleveland mustard was as advertised. It's really good. I saw some in bottles at the airport on the way home, and I almost grabbed one, but I was already too loaded down with stuff. So anyway, I opened up the tinfoil to put the mustard on the first one. I was like, oh, this is a hearty beast. This is a real beast. Now I have two of these. And so I was like, well, that's okay. I'm really hungry. And so the ballpark there, I had not been to this ballpark since it was called Jacob's Field back in 1995, and I hated sports actively because I was so cool. I hate that about myself. And anyway, and so I – Oh, nice to meet you. But the place where I got this hot dog or these sausages, I had to – they were kind of running out because it was late in the game. So I was actually right behind home plate, and there's a place where you can stand. There's only like one section that is right behind home plate, and then you can stand behind that, which means you're pretty close to the action, like really close to the action. And I wasn't standing in anybody's way. There were no signs saying, don't stand here, cheapskate or whatever. So I just stood there, and I ate the first sausage. And I watched, I think, maybe one half of an inning there. And I really, really enjoyed it. And then I'm like, and now, like a proper gentleman, I can return to my seat holding one sausage. And I'll eat it there. And everybody will think, well, look at this. Look at this proper little man. He just eats one sausage at a ball game, like God intended. And so then I ate the second one there. But I'll tell you what, by the time I sat down, I was already like, I don't need the second sausage. But what was I going to do with it? Take it home? What did you say? Didn't you tell a server to wrap up your leftovers in a tinfoil swan? In a foil swan. At a nice restaurant. Kind of a go-to for me. What was I going to do? Wrap this up in a foil swan and take it home from the ball game? So I ate it. And then I did say several times, like, you guys, I'm so full. And I guess in the back of my mind I was realizing, you guys are probably like, you had one sausage What are you talking about? It's because they didn't know That that was my second sausage I couldn't not cop to it

I really like the sight lines I'm going to call it Jacob's Field Because I don't know what the real name is The Jake When I went on my little mission I went by the Jim Tomey statue

Oh, okay, you went the other way

Like dead center, I think, maybe Or kind of the opposite of where you were And what I really like, I mean, there's so many things I like about that field, but one is when you're at T-Mobile where the Mariners play, I feel like when you are on the concourse, you can't see anything happening with the field. It feels like the ceilings are low. It feels like you are very cut off from the action.

And you're very far away is one thing that I sort of notice. I don't know about this. The ceilings doesn't bother my line of sight too much. Well, they can't hold us. Establish that. How do I? but anyway no i'm sorry to interrupt you no ceilings going ceilings no song cleveland songs oh okay um anyway but i do feel like they there's the the um seating here in seattle is there's so much more at the at the lower level that if you're standing behind all the seating you're like several several sections back you're just really far away from the field that's why i was kind of trying to describe behind home plate there's only one section in cleveland and so you're so close if you stand behind the people who are sitting

yeah i really liked the layout of the field and it made me wish that uh that t-mobile had a different layout because i just feel like when i get to the game particularly if i'm running a little bit late i i'm like i'm so anxious in the concourse of t-mobile because it's like i might as well be in another state or something i mean i'm so disconnected from the on the field action that it kind of creates an agita for me that i did not feel as i was sort of just roaming the jake i felt like i could just look over and see the game at any time i thought that was kind of a a cool feature now on to cleveland music one thing and this is my only criticism of the cleave or specifically of the guardians games is they were playing at various points including coming out of the take me out to the ball game thing they were playing music and and and and at certain times hip hop and at no time were they playing bone thugs in harmony you and i arrived at this

cleveland artists you and i both arrived at this at the same exact moment did you notice this like i didn't know that you were talking about this and i was talking about this at the same time up in that beer garden area would be right as the game was starting because they were playing

i was too busy yelling i wish i wish mitch mcconnell were alive to see this during the national anthem that was my contribution to that area i do think i think i said this on the show yesterday i do think jessica's friends were like all right we could we can lose the guy in the ball cap that that being me but no i wasn't talking about it i was talking about it later but you and i were happening upon the same observation i swear because i i thought you

also i think you also mentioned up there because i had three james here's the reason why um here's the reason it stood out to me is because um they they started playing coolio like right at the very beginning of the game when they're running or they're playing it was gangster's paradise right and for a split second i was like oh hell yeah cleveland bone thugs in harmony and then i was like wait a second this is this is coolio this is not bone thugs and and i was just saying why isn't this bone thugs and as i was saying it somebody was reacting to you saying i think the

same exact thing i think i had no you're absolutely right i think that i did comment on it at that time when we were up in the standing in a puddle of water for some reason because it had rained torrentially but yeah it's like there are lots of great songs about cleveland i mean there's cleveland rocks they did play that at the very end they played at the end right okay so maybe they want to keep their powder dry on that but like i just thought cleveland is not lacking for i mean you know i'm no fan of this of the ceiling not holding us or whatever they're playing now after the uh you know during the seventh inning stretch at mariners games but at least macklemore is from seattle at least there's there's that to me playing playing a song that's kind of over hypey and hyphy after the take me out to the ball game that's not even from your town i don't get it

yeah you're reminding me of something the mariners after a win used to play a jimmy hendrix song and i haven't heard that in a long time i think they may have stopped that tradition i don't usually

stay until the end of the game yeah that's right you hate traffic i'm unfamiliar yeah who's on your Mount Rushmore of me not staying Do you remember what I'm talking about?

And by the way, I'm not, and I'm not trying to offend anybody with this, I'm not a huge Jimi Hendrix fan, and I don't associate You don't get guitar music. Yeah, I'm not a huge guitar, well I don't I'm not a huge guitar, especially that kind of era of heavily blues influenced guitar rock

I was playing the guitar behind my head though.

Okay. And you are white in this case, and you are at a dive bar called Kelly's, right? Mm-hmm. Okay, this is-

Playing Jimothy Hendrix.

Okay, this is my kind of blues music. It is a show title. Now, these are hot blues. These are hot blues. As long as you're middle-aged. Anyway, so what I was going to say was, so anyway, no offense to Jimi Hendrix or Jimi Hendrix fans. I know that that is beloved music for a reason. It's just not in my particular wheelhouse. But so it's not that I miss it necessarily, but I felt like after a Mariners win, in the same way they played Cleveland Rocks after a Cleveland win. I thought a Mariners win, they used to go, oh, well, God, the song that they would play is right on the tip of my brain, but if I try to sing it, it will unravel immediately, just like the guitar part. But do you remember that? Does that go back, or is that just when they did a few years?

I don't remember that being like a Kingdom tradition. I think it's got to be more of a T-Mobile thing or a Safeco thing, and just because, you know, I haven't been to nearly as many games. You always say, like, I don't really know a lot about baseball. You know so much more about the now traditions of that field with the Mariners. You've been to so many more games than I have. So I don't know that tradition, but it would make perfect sense. Obviously, Jimi Hendrix, a Seattle guy, a legend in the area, and also a noted baseball fan.

Well, that's kind of the thing, too. They played a little bit of Nirvana during the Cleveland game.

And I noted to somebody who was sitting next to me, I'm like, yeah, the only thing that Kurt Cobain loved more than Seattle baseball was Cleveland baseball. And again, I love baseball and I love Nirvana, but that always strikes me as odd. According to AI Overview here, the post-victory song played after, this is saying every Seattle Mariners game is fire. Well, it's just scanning the internet. It looks like they're linking back to an ESPN article. But this is from 2012. That's why you can't trust AI. AI is telling me in the present tense that it's played after every Seattle Mariners win, but it's linking to an article from 2012. It's not realizing that it's probably giving me past information, but the song is Fire, and I believe it's... Like, Let Me Stand Next to Your Fire? Yes, that's what they used to play.

Also a weird, from a messaging standpoint. This one. I can't play too much. This song involves, like, baby come up and let Jimothy come over. It's a very sexual, weird song by baseball team one. I could think of like four Jimi Hendrix songs that would make more sense. That song he wrote called The Mariners Just Won.

But don't you think that would be a little bit kind of hard to decipher? It's a little bit left of center. A little vague. Yeah.

You've got to kind of tee it up for people.

What about the boys in blue pulled one out? Wait, hold on. Can I get a mulligan on that sentence? You're thinking of Temple of the Dog.

I'm thinking I'm going to bleep that. Yeah, that's a weird, let me stand next to your fire, is a, well, I mean, what's the most, I would have thought purple haze. Maybe that's too husky-coated.

Oh, interesting. But do you think that would be? Well, is purple haze a reference to marijuana smoke?

Probably, but also, I know that the Huskies, at times, I think maybe in the 80s, we had a really good defense, and they called it purple haze. because of, you know, Jimi Hendrix being a Seattle guy. I actually kind of like that. That's just a... That's a strange... Still, playing Let Me Stand Next to Your Fire, or Fire, as it's called, is a weird celebration song for them. Get Greg Green on the line. Somebody get me Greg Green.

I wonder what they're playing now.

I don't know. Let's see. They've already burned a Macklemore song for the seventh inning stretch, so let's say he's off the table. Let's say that Pearl Jam music is mostly about biting the recessed lady's breast, not also not celebratory you know what they should play some presidents of the united states of america that's upbeat oh yeah it's celebratory and they're from seattle hey we didn't talk about

the little hang on sloopy ohio dance that everybody was doing and so i is does so people who are not familiar with guardians baseball which was me four days ago um they play i think is this the seventh inning stretch or was it actually later than that they play the song Hang On Sloopy, I'm looking it up here, it's by a band called the McCoys, I would not have

known that. You know, I've recently interviewed, I believe, a member of the

McCoys. Really? Yeah, true story. Was it about their work in the band, or was it unrelated? Are they like in the Mustard Museum now?

Now, hold on, this is why I was double-checking this. Maybe it wasn't, let's see here, I'm double-checking, and I'm learning that I think I was wrong. Hang On Sloopy by the McCoys, which was originally My Girl Sloopy, 1964 song written by Wes Ferrell and Burt Russell. Rhythm and Blues vocal group, The Vibrations, were the first to record it in 1964. For some reason, I was thinking, and somebody will look this up, and, oh, you know why? Because it was inspired by a person named Dorothy Sloop, who was from Steubenville, Ohio.

Hang on, Sloopy. Okay, that's why I was trying to figure out the connection. We don't know if the McCoys are from there or whatever, but okay, so there is a Cleveland slash Ohio connection. And during the song at a certain point, and I can't even really mimic the audio of it now, the crowd just started all doing O, they spelled out O-H-I-O, and then they did kind of a YMCA style letter thing with their hands, and we didn't know what was going on, so Pinter showed us. Didn't Pinter get up and kind of like show us what was going on? And then I think the rest of you followed suit. I think I was a little shy and weighed down by multiple sausage sandwiches.

I thought that was a fun part of the night. The reason that I thought I interviewed one of the McCoys is because I interviewed one of the Strange Loves, and the Strange Loves are actually the band that wrote Hang On Sloopy. It was popularized by the McCoys, and one member of the Strange Loves, or Strange Loves, is a guy named Jerry Goldstein. And later on, Jerry Goldstein would go on to be the manager slash a member of the band War.

Oh, War, yeah, okay, sure.

And what I learned about War, because I did a TV story about them, was they would record these, like, 20-minute jams, and then Jerry Goldstein would go in and cut them down to, like, radio-friendly three. minute songs and i mean he also played an instrument somewhere in the background of these things and helped i guess sort of write the songs in as much as he was like you know riffing with them but later it was the subject of much legal wrangling as to who owned the music the publishing rights the name war uh it was a big fight with jerry goldstein and members of war um but that's why i was thinking but he was in the original band that actually wrote hang on

sloopy i'm looking at the strange loves wikipedia page right now and there were a band that was actually created by a produce like kind of a production team and songwriting team uh bob feldman jerry goldstein and richard yeah jerry goldstein's the guy i interviewed okay interesting and so they're they were like the production australian accent back then or during your

interview thankfully back then i don't know how it would have gotten through i think their bit I think their deal was they pretended to be from Australia and they would like this is weirdly it's both racist and inaccurate and also kind of mystifying if you look at the press photo from the Strange Loves Wikipedia page one of the guys is holding a spear and the other two guys are playing on what would be sort of traditional African drums. Oh I didn't even notice the spears. The Strange Loves but if I remember right their bit was They pretended to be Australian I don't think very much of The imagery in this photo is Related to how we think of Australia Or even the Aboriginal people of Australia So they were sort of all over the map on the Weird racism

Now the reason I was going into this was And I'm clearly wrong so I'm clicking on the The link but I for a moment Thought Bob Feldman no joke might be The guy who Who brought the rock and roll edge to the Eagles And why can I never keep that guy's name in my head that guy was I keep putting you on the spot about this and last time you had it but it's not it's not Bob Feller

the problem is I have Rockin' Robert Feller on the brain noted Bob Feller was a Cleveland baseball player before their name was the Guardians do we say the original name

oh I know I don't I just avoid it although I understand when you're referring to the old team you're being

accurate about it. Right, because Bob Feller played for Cleveland back in the day, and that's Don Felder. Don Felder is the man who brought the rock and roll edge to

the Eagles. Yeah, sorry to put you on the spot there, but I saw Bob Feldman, and I got really excited for a second. Did you know about

the, no you didn't, because you already said you were part of your personality as a young person in Cleveland was actively not liking sports, so you were not a Rocket Robert Felder guy, Bob Felder.

It's Felder and not Feller?

It's Feller. See, I know the name. See, that's how you're, see? Well, it just seeps in when you're there.

I wasn't a baseball guy, but Bob Feller. And also, I feel like there was some sort of classic old-timey radio bit about Bob Feller that was, maybe it was incorporated in the Who's On First bit, or it was a similar to the Who's On First bit that I believe involved Feller or something. So, like, you know, stuff like that just sort of seeps into the water supply, as Fran Lebowitz might say.

Something has seeped, this is an inside joke that got into the water supply. I have only my brain, Andrew. I've been always calling him the Rocket Robert Feller or the Bob the Rocket Feller. That wasn't even his nickname. No, no. He was called Rapid Robert.

Oh, oh, Rapid. Like the Rapid Transit?

Rapid Robert, also known as the Heater from Van Meter. Oh, I think I've heard that before. That is awesome. Those are great nicknames. You know, my mom used to listen to a Philadelphia radio DJ in the 60s. 60s it's so funny getting her and my uncle chuck going on like philly radio from the day yeah but there was a guy named jerry blavitt who was known as the gita with the heat of the gita with the heat of jerry blavitt was a philadelphia he was sort of there um who was the uh who was the dude oh god we're just all over the place who was the guy who sort of got credited with inventing rock and roll another ohio guy cleveland oh the dj the dj the moon doggy um what was his name Jack something?

Yes, I'm looking it up. We're going to get there. Alan Freed. Alan Freed. Alan Jack Freed. No, it's Albert James Alan Freed. It's Alan Freed, yeah. And he sort of credited with inventing the term rock and roll, right? Wasn't he the guy that said that or something? Yes, I think so. He was an American disc jockey and promoter and everything. I think he also, isn't that the thing? He was both a disc jockey and a promoter. Like, didn't this get into some kind of paoli kind of stuff at some point?

am i slandering a legend well you know what's funny is like uh you know this guy that we play all the time on our show suddenly realized i was talking to them was exactly in that category that's pat o'day from seattle there was an era in like Yeah, the late 50s and 60s, where if you were like the local DJ of your town, you were also probably the main concert promoter.

Uh-huh, uh-huh. But then I think that led to some laws, right? Because I am seeing here, not to, again, focus on this aspect of it, but just to make sure I wasn't totally making it up, Freed did get in trouble for some sort of payola stuff. Because, yeah, he's promoting it, and he's a DJ. And it does make sense that that's how it would start.

Jerry Blavitt, also known as the geeter with the heater and the big boss with the hot sauce. Can we get better nicknames on this show, please?

On this show? What about just in baseball in general? I don't want to put you on the spot. We should probably just get Sklaroff back on the show, but are there good nicknames in baseball right now?

I think we're lacking in good... I think we're in an unfortunate era of no rapid Robert Fellers, no Gieters with the Heaters. Let's see. Mariners. Let's just go through the Mariners.

I mean, this is going to I'm putting my I brought this up and I regret it already.

Well, you know, I guess Julio's called J-Rod, the J-Rod squad. Yeah. I mean, big dumper is good. Big. Oh, yeah. Of course. Big dumper.

Yeah. People are probably thinking, Andrew, like that was something that caught the attention of the nation last year. How does Josh Naylor not have? Oh, he does nails, but it's not that great. It's N-A-Y-Z or any. I can get down with that. It's OK. But, you know, it's not the heater from Van Nieder. It's not the geater with the heater. Yeah, but what was Feller's one? The meter from Van Heater?

Let's see here. Hold on. I'm going back. Please hold. The heater from Van Meter.

The heater from Van Meter. He was from Van Meter, Iowa. That is so... And the fact that it's Iowa. Like, it's just so perfect.

I'm trying to think of yours. The Gritty from Valley City.

I must dress as Gritty. That's the only caveat there. The Super Hip from Liverpool Township. Wow. Oh, wait. The Never Cool from Liverpool. That's a little bit. No, don't. Come on. We're gassing you up. It doesn't even. Yeah, it also just as I slump my way towards the plate, dragging the back behind me. What would your walk-up music be? This? Yeah. They call it my walk-away music as I slowly back away from the plate.

Do you think, I think I already know what your answer to this will be I don't know if it's the real answer or the accurate answer But I think I know what your answer would be Which is, do you think if you got a hundred swings In a Major League Baseball game And were not hit by the ball Just like you got to stand up there A hundred swings Do you think you would make contact with one pitch? I'm not talking about a home run, I'm talking about contact I think you would And they're really pitching though?

Yes, a hundred major league pitches And it's a pitcher with, like, several pitches, right? They're not all four-seam fastballs. There's, like, various, okay. Change-up, possible EFIS. I love the way I ask all these questions, and I don't think there's an EFIS, though. It's not, like, a position player pitching. I love the fact that I ask all these questions just to say no. Like, what was I trying to clarify? But I was trying to give it a real thoughtful answer. Now, I think the answer is no for most people.

In the 80s, I think most people, once they had seen their 80th pitch, I think they would be able to at least make the most grazing of contact.

You think so? But I'm also getting tired at this point.

I'm also the person who thinks they would be the only survivor of a plane crash. I have an extremely inaccurate... I think the doctors have called it delusions of grandeur. Like, I don't think I would get a base hit. I don't even think I would hit it in play. But I think if you gave me a hundred pitches, I would foul one of them off.

I mean, it also depends on like if you're if you're asking me right now that somebody let's just say somebody dressed up like as an umpire, because like a kind of a big guy dresses up, grabs me by the scruff of my neck right now.

What would their smoothie order be? That's where I thought you were going.

I was trying to think of like just kind of a big gruff guy grabs me by the scruff of my neck right now, like by my collar. Right. And just says, you're Daryl Cousins. we're going to the MLB umpire we're going to the ballpark right now and you're going to do this is that the scenario or have you given me a month and I know I'm making this very unfun but like if you give me a month and I'm like oh god I'm going to take this seriously and then I spend let's say I don't know a few days a week at batting cages where I'm turning up the heat on myself a little bit I might make contact with one ball out of a hundred once I'm facing the live pitching but like right now i mean luke the last time i swung a bat was probably with you and do you have any memory of us swinging bats together we were i have a photo of that uh was that a family fun center or whatever i have a photo of it i believe uh i had

a little kind of golf pencil in my ear because for some, maybe because we had been mini golfing also. Maybe. I love that was Family Fun Center I think down in South Center. Probably

15 years ago or something. So I haven't even picked up a bat in 15 years. I love a batting cage. Yeah, I mean that is something that now, that you could talk me into. What did John say they called it in the part of New York he was from? Track and Bat? I think so because we were passing the place I went sometimes with my friends to drive go-karts or whatever when we were in like high school that place was called swings and things swings because they had batting cages and other things and then yeah his was track and bat because the go-kart track yeah is that what it was i think so yeah back and back track and back swings it's got a rhyme hey did you um have

a a easy flight home how did everything go getting back yeah it was relatively easy my flight was delayed a little bit i was worried about that i was actually going to text you but i thought i don't know what he'll do with this information all of the flights out of hopkins particularly on alaska were jacked up on monday my flight remember was supposed to be at 7 a.m yeah i woke up like a good boy at probably like 5 a.m the alarm went off i got up took a shower and then looked at my phone to realize the flight was delayed until 9 a.m i could have stayed in bed much longer and then just there was there was just like a rippling effect i don't know if it was i I don't think it was every airline. I think it was maybe specifically Alaska, but my flight from Seattle was a little delayed, the whole thing. So I was worried that you were going to have problems.

You know you left your nice pen behind?

Oh, yeah. Did you grab that? I did. I gave it to my dad.

Fair. You know what? I didn't know what to do with it. And I was like, I never, it's not like you and I see each other all that often.

Consider that, Bob, if you're still listening. And if you're not, really? We're only 48 minutes into this. You couldn't stick around this long? You're a donor now.

You have to listen.

I think, yeah, that is a pen that I, I stole from a nice hotel.

It looked like it, but it was a nice pen. It felt good in the hand. It was a ballpoint pen, and I don't really write with ballpoint pens, so I didn't really want it, but it was too nice of a pen just to leave in the Airbnb. So I grabbed it and I put it in my bag. By the way, so I spent the day, like, so first of all, I didn't know there was an early morning direct flight from Cleveland to Seattle and vice versa. I thought there was only one a day each way, direct flight from the two cities or between the two cities, and I thought that they were later in the day. So I was booked on the one that was supposed to take off at 5.30 in the early evening, and that was going to be perfect for me because I figured we'd get out of the Airbnb, and then I wanted to spend some more time with my family because I knew that we weren't going to be spending. You were going to scam them for a free meal. Exactly. I'm like, I just kept on saying Thai spice, like under my breath until they took me there. They wanted to take me somewhere else, and I threw an absolute fit, and then they said, you're not going to Kumon. um i uh anyway um so my original plan when we booked these tickets a long time ago was like you know what i i will like i'll spend the i wasn't even sure if i'd get any quality time with my family you know so i flew in a day early and figured i'd fly out that evening and at least i could bookend the trip with a little bit of qt with the fam and so i woke up uh and by the way Another shout-out to Bob Walsh for taking me to the UPS store, his preferred UPS store. We had a box that said FedEx on it, and I was worried that UPS wouldn't ship a box that said FedEx on it. But he said they would, and we took it. The man knows how to pack. The man knows how to pack. In fact, he packed everything up a little bit early and had it all sealed up, and I had one last device that I needed to put in the box that I wanted shipped instead of carrying it on the airplane. And then I showed up, and I texted my dad, and I said, hey, hope you didn't seal up those boxes yet. I have one more device I need to put in it. And he didn't respond. That is not the usual move. And I was like, those boxes are already sealed up. My dad loves packing things. So I show up, and there the boxes are in the garage. One's going to John Sklaroff's house. One's going to my house. And they are all packed up and sealed up with tape and everything. And dad said, come on, that little thing, you can't just take that on the plane. I said, yes, I can. I will take it on the plane.

What was the little thing, if I might ask?

It's very small. It's the field recorder that I took out to the Valley City Frog Jump with you guys. I don't really need that. I brought two field recorders because of the way everything worked out. And so I use a different one as a backup recorder during the regular TBTL recordings like today. And so that one I won't need again until we go out in the field again, until the next frog jump, I guess. And so anyway, I was like, oh, I just want to throw it in there. Have you seen the T-shirt? Oh, we can't make the T-shirt. anymore what was the fight the you were covering this runner up yes is everybody okay with runner up on the t-shirt hopper up what was the so our frog jumped four feet and three inches and what did you say the winner was 14 feet or something like that it was it was over i think it was either 13 or 14 feet. And it was, it was interesting because, you know, each round, it was called a flight. So we were in flight 17 and we were nowhere near the longest jump of flight 17, but had we been, our reward would have been, we had to stick around until like 630 at night to be in the final round, which was all 30, there was 37 rounds. So the top finisher from each of the 37 rounds, then all those people collected up. and um and there was this jump maybe the third jump of that final round where this pretty large guy was being pretty scary to the frog and that thing really jumped and and it jumped out of the ring and everyone was like well that's that will never be topped that's the jump of the day and then i don't know five people later this other kind of younger guy i say younger he was probably in his late 20s and these two adorable young girls got down there and um that that frog jumped it did get screamed at by the little girls i hope that the frogs were less scared by little girls screaming at them than by big burly men slapping the ground i don't know if it made any difference but i told myself that one was slightly less terrifying than the other did you watch any of the video of us i

gotta say i'm kind of proud i've seen a video from two different angles of you me and john all on our hands and knees we are being so gentle to the frog i'm serious you just see us because people are going out there and like slamming hands down on each side of the frog you know i got big mitts right and you do like and so i could i could do that if i wanted to but that's just not our vibe and i see these videos and all four of us are getting our faces as close to the frog as possible it is that's how i remembered it but i wasn't sure exactly the whole thing went by so quickly You know, so filled with adrenaline and shame and whatever and or not shame, just embarrassment and sausage. I also had a secret sausage at the frog jump that I had to leave the listener because I didn't want to bring. I was nearing the end of the day. I had not eaten at all all day. And it's like four thirty and I'm hanging out in the pavilion with a bunch of listeners. And I'm like and everybody's very kind. But because sausage is such a thing on the show with me, if I go and I bring back a sausage, everybody's gonna be like, look, Andrew, he's eating sausage. in a kind, funny, referential way. Not reverential, but a referential way. And I get that, but I also don't want everybody being like, look, the sausage-eating guy is eating a sausage in front of a listener. You know what I mean? I just didn't want that. So I had to go sneak a sausage near the end of the day.

Yeah, you were not trying to be Sabu the Elephant Boy. I don't know what that, is that a thing? Well, it's a John Prine song, but it's also a reference to somebody who I think was maybe an actor in the 30s who was kind of like, I think he may have been sort of coded as South Asian and he would ride on the elephant. Point being, you didn't want to be like a, you didn't want to be like, get a load of this guy.

You know, I don't even like it back in the day when I worked at an office, if I was just eating a bologna sandwich in the lunchroom, people coming over and talking about what you're eating or whatever. I just don't like, I have some hangups around that stuff. So anyway, I did have a secret sausage after the frog jump. But all of that is to say, I saw two different videos. Now, one shot by my childhood friend, Tim Cassada, and another one, I believe, shot by Audrey and Ryan, maybe, Teal House on the Hill folks. And in both of them, we're being, like, we're interested. We're not, like, too cool for school. We're encouraging the frog. But we're just, like, tapping so gently. And at one point, I don't know which one of us it was, just kind of, like, pets the frog down the spine of its back really briefly. And, you know, the frog only jumped four feet. But you know what?

i would not have it any other way and i learned because i you know you and john went and got some food and you were uh hanging out with the listeners i was kind of on tv mode so i was watching a lot of the performance of the frog jump four three was actually not terrible it wasn't going to win but it was less embarrassing if if folks listened to yesterday's show and they maybe heard me yelling it was rigged or you know basically we just need election security around these frog jumps that was because i thought four foot three was like deeply embarrassing that was actually like that was sort of in the average range 10 feet would have been you won your flight one foot would have been a thing that happened actually kind of a lot in fact the the young woman who won for shortest jump i believe her name was aj uh she her frog jumped six inches

oh really yeah that is short that is like you can that is a trophy you get nobody heard what i thought was a pretty good joke at the end i didn't plan on saying this but at the very end i wish mitch mcconnell were alive to see this frog jump as soon as our frog jumped and what i thought was a pretty embarrassing i didn't hear you you you and i were both in our own heads and of course you were doing stuff for cbs but i stood up and just yelled where do we get our trophy which i thought was like kind of funny but it did not show up didn't show up on the tape at all by the way but thanks to the folks at cbs for sending us that they had you mic'd up really well you must

been wearing a lav huh yes shout out to our guy steve

of Shotgun Sound, who is currently, right now, I believe, maybe even as we speak, at the VMAC. He's one of the sound guys for Hard Knocks, Seahawks. Oh, wow. When he told me that, I was so starstruck. We were eating at Gandalf's on Friday night, me and the crew. Also, shout out to my buddy, Young, who sent us that audio as well. It was a co-production of Steve and Young, so thank you for that. Not to be confused with Steve Young, longtime San Francisco 49ers quarterback, and great-grandchild, I believe, of Brigham Young, one of the founders of Mormonism. No, this was a guy named Steve and my other friend named Young, who I work with.

And also, we never talked about this in person, but you said one of the members of the CBS crew worked on a documentary about Coach Chico. The coach, Chuck Kyle, I think his name is. I don't know why his nickname was Chico. Maybe it's a combination of those two names. But he was an English teacher of mine, but he was a very famous coach also at the high school I went to. At St. Ignatius? And I did not know this. First of all, they made, did you say it was an Amazon Prime or a Netflix documentary or something about Coach Chico?

That's what Steve, the sound guy, told me. Check this out, too. And this is kind of Steve's story, so I hope I'm, I mean, I'm sure he'd be fine talking about it, but this was kind of crazy. You know how there's that scene always in Hard Knocks? Because you've watched some amount of Hard Knocks.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. I watched the Miami season. I watched some of the early seasons.

So you're familiar with the tropes and the kind of – there's that point where there's the person that we're kind of rooting for to, like, make the team. Yeah, yeah. And then they get the call. The bubble cases. That's like a coach wants to see you and bring your notebook, bring your binder, you know what I mean? Bring your playbook, I should say.

Yeah.

It's just kind of a – it's a bummer scene. It happens all the time. So Steve, our sound guy, one of his kids is an incredible college football player. He played D2 college football in Pennsylvania and was so good at quarterback that he got, he just had a tryout with the Toronto Argonauts. In fact, the Cleveland Browns at one point wanted to see if they could convert him to being kind of like a, um, like, uh, uh, who's the other Kent state guy, uh, Julian Edelman. They wanted to kind of make him a Julian Edelman guy Like a converted quarterback Who's so athletic That they turn you into not a tight end But like a slot back Kind of a Danny Woodhead Who's the most famous one Maybe it was Edelman from the Patriots I'm forgetting

Edelman was a tight end right I'm out of my league here

Edelman was kind of a slot guy Kind of out of the backfield Bill Belichick had a real way With kind of shorter dudes Who were not big enough to be a tight end but maybe not quite fast enough for um wide receiver duties but they'd kind of play this little slot back sort of deal anyway so my my new buddy steve the sound guy his son is trying out for the toronto argonauts and he makes it all the way to the last game of the preseason i think or whatever and he and his wife are up there in i guess toronto hanging out with their son after the game and the coaches have not called and then all of a sudden now this is a guy who has miked up innumerable number of people who he doesn't know who are getting the call coach wants to see you bring your playbook now he's sitting in a room with his son and his son gets the call coach wants to see you bring your playbook I don't think there's been another person who has both worked on the production of those shows and been the parent in one of those moments isn't that crazy

it is did he mic his son up He boomed it

You gotta boom it He boomed it Actually I'll tell you what This is so in the deepest of the audio weeds But one of the many things I loved about working with this sound guy Was he was cool with booming things A lot of sound guys Sound people I guess you could say On these TV shoots They always want to put a lav on somebody Let's just say someone's walking past And I want to ask them one question A lot of sound people maybe because they're nervous they don't trust their boom skills they want they got to get a lav on so this what could have been an impromptu moment of me just kind of chatting with someone so a boom mic for people that don't know it's like the microphone that's on a long pole you've all seen it in the production of a film or tv show and it's totally sufficient if you're pointing it right at the person you're out of the shot but a lot of sound people want to like stop and they're like put a mic on the person which they have to drop the mic cable down their shirt sometimes it's a woman it's like Like, you want to talk about Vibe Killer. Yes, exactly.

Just like you had something on your mind, and now you have to think about all these things. Steve was a boom guy, so, you know, I appreciated that about him. Can we listen? So the name of the documentary is The Object of the Game, a docu-series on St. Ignatius Coach Chuck Kyle coming to Prime Video. And this was written in January.

So my guess is it's already on Prime Video, but there's a – it looks like a little trailer here, and I'm hoping it's got good sound. This is – okay. The gridiron is the ultimate. There's no whining in football.

You got me!

But every August, football comes to wine country. I thought – you just scrambled my brain for a second. I was just like, oh my god, they're using our tape. They're using our tape from Hard Knocks. Sorry. Just as the object of the game. Okay, so there's not... I was hoping there was going to be like... And you played for this guy. No, no, I didn't. No, I played... Oh, you were at Walsh. I quote-unquote played. I was like on the squad

at Walsh. Dude, you played. You had to do the practice. I did the practice. I never saw a game. You had to wear the uniform.

I consider that fun. Yeah, I never had my own shirt. They just gave me a different shirt every day. I've told people for years I played for the Sonics based on less.

here i go once again with the email every week i hope that it's from a female

no man it's not from a female uh we didn't get to talk about that trailer for the other mommy but andrew i'm just telling you oh yeah it's like you mentioned the other day maybe again last week blurs together like what was the conversations we were having in the rental car versus on the radio but you were talking about like sort of scary movies sometimes being too scary for you yeah and i i generally think of myself as not being too scared by scary movies but just being sort of generally disinterested but i went and i watched this trailer for the other mommy because we were going to talk about this today or whatever and boy it really got me the trailer itself scared you the trailer really got me so uh maybe uh maybe we can talk about that tomorrow i also think we should talk about the odyssey although we haven't seen it yet i gotta

see that i'm definitely planning on seeing it yeah who was it listener aiden we're talking to at the frog he saw it once yeah he's about to see it again in imax and he said i don't he said something like you know i have a short attention span so these types of like super long movies like three hour long movies aren't usually for me but he said he enjoyed it and then he said yeah i'm going with some buddies to see it again i'm like man if you're somebody who kind of knows that you get like fidgety during a a regular movie but you're going back to watch a three hour movie a second time, like, can you think of a better testament to the film? So, anyway, I'm excited about that. I'm about to bring a stadium pal for it. Yeah, I know. Do they still have that website? You remember this, right? There was a website that would tell you the best time to, if you're going to see a movie in the theater, it would, like, kind of tell you, hey, around this minute mark, this scene happens, that's probably the best time to go pee.

I was just thinking of bringing a catheter,

essentially. Yeah, the non-insertive catheter. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay, so you did play the voicemail sounder, so I'm going to play a voicemail for you. This came in last week. Now, we had open phones because we were doing live-streamed episodes last week or taking phone calls, and one of the themes one day was because we were surrounded by so many Daves, both amphibian and human last week, that we just decided to ask people to call in with their stories of people named Dave in their lives. And I'm pretty sure we have not played this one yet. This was actually on the voicemail line, and I'll let the listener take it. I heard about a Dave who was so pompous that then they would call it Daving when you were just being pompous or bragging on yourself. Or talking about how in England they call the trunk the boot or something like that. I don't think I'm conflating stories. Well, here is this listener. I don't think this listener left their name.

Hey, Luke and Andrew. So nice to reach out to you. I hope the thon is going well. I have a Dave story. I was in the Oregon marching band back in the day, Go Ducks. And I was a squad leader for the trombone session. And I was in a squad where everybody except for me was named Dave. So for the talent show at the end of the year, we did a little band called Shira and the Dave. And it was pretty fun. It was pretty hard when we were in line to make it like a straighter line because Dave would move back and it would be the wrong Dave or Dave would move forward and it would be the wrong Dave. But we had a really good time that year and it was great. And one parting thought, I think the use of Peshaw in the Wordle yesterday was a nod to the reboot of Little House on the Prairie on Netflix because Pa used to say that a lot.

Peshaw. Power out.

That must have been in the books.

pa must have said it a lot in the books because i watched i've seen i think every episode of little house and i tell you michael landon was not saying pshaw that i remember now someone's going to find a clip and correct me but that is not something that i associate with the michael Landon

depiction of pa ingles but i bet you anything in the real books i bet you that pa says that a lot

you know one of the tv writers that i follow and i get their names wrong and confused it wouldn't would it be alan seppenwall is that a name oh i've heard that i i thought yes i've heard that name i don't i couldn't tell you what what they've written you dropped a you dropped a tv writer's name the other day too and it could have been him i follow a couple of these guys these kind of long time tv writers who i like um but one of them was writing in a sub stack about little the little house on the prairie reboot and i really wish i didn't read the sub stack i think it's paywalled but um the tweet was really interesting and basically said like the reboot is good but it's fine but it's really hard to do a reboot of a show that was made in the 70s based on books that were written in the 50s about a family that lived in the 1800s or no no when did when did um when did when did it take place they i'm gonna say like late 1800s late 1800s so like that's that is an interesting observation right in 2026 because you're going for nostalgia play there anyway i think and so in 2026 you're making a reboot of a 1970s show based on a 19 i want to say 50s book about um you know the turn of the century or whatever like that is a lot of layers of history

I feel like I almost owe it to myself and my childhood to actually read the books because I haven't read the books I think my parents might have read some of them aloud to my sisters so maybe I've overheard some of the books but like Michael Landon I believe was I don't know if he was the executive producer of Little House but he had a very very strong hand in it and Pa was always the hero Pa was so morally upright He always stood up for justice He was unselfish He was everything that you could possibly be And I always wondered Is that how Pa is in the books? Or is that how Michael Landon wanted to be portrayed As the character? Not that Pa would have been A bad guy in the books, but was he as Heroic in the books as Michael Landon was In the TV show? And I don't know the answer to that

Yeah, because I assume that the books are more About Laura Although the TV show is very much about laura right but at the end of the day oh half pint you're making me want to re-watch it

the intro to that show or i should say really actually so the the ending credits if i have this right and the ending credits they're the three girls are like running down a grassy hill and falling falling i was thinking that was the beginning but maybe i'm wrong about that maybe that's the beginning what i what i seem to remember is that like the beginning of the show is this very kind of grand And then the end credits are like kind of a bluegrass.

And so it was a little bit goofier, and that's when you see the frolicking.

Yeah, like they kind of like, they bluegrass it up while the kids are tumbling down the grassy hills.

That would make sense. I would definitely trust your memory of this more than mine, especially after that performance that you just gave. And I am calling this up right here. This is the ending. Oh, yeah, you're right. This is the end. It looks like it's just Laura with a dog kind of walking down a hill. Oh.

I think her little sister comes running down later and falls.

Everything you said rings a bell to me. Also, it could be that they recut this. Now she's sort of hopping. She's sort of hopping. Is she going to fall? Is she going to fall? Quick, put on Kelsey. Put on Kelsey. She's getting close to him.

Banned in Washington State, by the way. At the very end. Oh, really? That just happened? A judge, a Washington State judge, enjoined Kalshi. We were going to talk about this today if we got through the other stories. But then you read in the Seattle Times article, they said, it's unclear if Kalshi will actually recognize the ruling of the judge. So, you know, I mean, that's one of those things. Obviously, this whole trip, I kept, like, jumping on Kalshi and throwing little bets down on baseball games and the like, it is entertaining to me. I also will totally not care if they shut it down. I'll be like, that's probably better for the world.

Yeah, I mean, I'm not trying to be a hater on your thing or be judgmental at all. I'm not defending it as a fan. It's bad.

Well, is it? Okay, is it though? And I'm not being defensive. Here's what I mean. If you are somebody who wanted to put down a bet on if maduro would be deposed in the next 24 hours and you don't like work for the state department and this is a real question do you not sort of deserve what you get

what do you mean what do you get you mean if you mean in other words if you didn't you're because somebody did that but they were cheating they had inside information but you're taking out

the insider information what i'm saying is if you are another person who doesn't have insider information and you're betting on things like will maduro be deposed or will donald trump use these certain words like to me it's like the the knock on it is that it's a big scam where people can be cheating it which i totally recognize what they can't cheat is the home run derby which i was betting on on monday night so it's like if the knock on cal she and and you know it again i'm not i really am not trying to defend it and if it goes away i won't be sad at all but if the knock on it is that it is a predatory place where people with insider information can predate is that a verb predate I think so yeah basically if it's like people that have inside information about what the US military is going to do or what Donald Trump is going to say or even what our friend Chris Hayes is going to say because remember he was on Colbert and there was a prediction market about what he was going to say on Colbert except he had already taped it yeah well there

was another one involving him I didn't know about that one but there was one where he interviewed I don't think it was Mamdani but it was somebody some you know high profile person who was um running for office recently on his show on all in maybe platner or something yeah i think it was i don't think so but anyway because i saw chris actually kind of post this on blue sky he he posted an image of the betting market on whether or not somebody would address something in chris hayes's interview with him and chris posted this and says it's already taped like it's already taped but this is a live betting situation that's another reason why it feels off to me but also what i especially don't like about it is listen states i'm a huge states rights guy i don't know if you know all of me oh well known and well known the long time states rights guy has logged on but you know if a state says listen yeah the electorate has voted us into office we're making laws and we've made a law that says we don't want online gambling in our state and then cal she comes along and says we're not online gambling When they clearly are Yeah I'm against that It seems like bullshit to me

I agree with you that it is very much online gambling And it is farcical that they would say it's not So on that level I'm totally fine with the state of Washington Banning it and the sort of You know the ban working I guess it's just one of these things where You know when I first mentioned it On the show a while ago People were kind of coming for me pretty hard It wasn't a you don't know words situation But it was just short of that it was like people were being pretty stern with me about it like i was you know promoting like a trump coin or something a doge coin and my thought on it was i mean yeah it's it's stupid and it's run by probably a bunch of kind of tech bros who are probably pretty amoral but i also would never personally i would never bet on something like is maduro going to be deposed because, like, I don't have any intel on that. So to me, it's kind of like, it seems like it's sort of a, like, if you're a person, you know, as it says in the good book, a fool, is this actually in the Bible, or is it just, like, a proverb that's, like, out in the culture?

I didn't know what the good book was.

I think it was Laura Ingalls Wilder who once wrote, when they were living in Mankato, you know, a fool and his money are easily parted, right? To me it's like It's a stupid dumb thing That nobody should do except I've been doing it But if you want to go on there and try to bet What Chris Hayes is going to say in an interview Like Caveat emptor, that's on you You're just being dumb in that case To me

This is a true question But don't you Haven't you said things before that you do sort of Feel like well we do need some sort of Regulations around this stuff because it is a gambling is an addiction. And so just to say, hey, people who lose money at dumb gambling things, that's up to you. Like we all know that that is a that is a problem. But that's why we have laws in place, because it people can lose their minds and their livelihoods in their lives

and their families. I think that the things that need to be more heavily regulated probably are like DraftKings and those sites, because those are the ones that are super insidious. Those are the ones that have the you know men of age 20 to 35 of america in large numbers like throwing their futures down the drain calci is again if we want to get into the nitty-gritty on it calci is less fun than those ones because you can't do like for instance there's not a market on calci tonight for if cal raleigh is going to hit a home run there's a market for are the mariners going to win there are not a lot of exotic prop bets on calci because of how it's set up whereas if you go on draft Kings or one of those other ones, there's a billion ways.

for you to lose your money on just weird mariners things and so i listen the essential point you're totally right i think that i think these easy like gambling on your phone in your pocket is bad for people particularly bad for young men so if they got rid of all of it tomorrow i would totally not be sad about that in fact i think it'd be better for america um i do think that like the sports betting apps are especially bad because they're just they've just got a little bit more frictionless design than cal she does but that's not to say cal she is okay i'm just saying i think draft kings is worse it's like of these two bad things one of them in my opinion is slightly worse

but but you also say that in and also in cal she in an idealized situation where you don't have the the um the the teleprompter operator you know using inside information to make bets yes right

For people that don't know, somebody got, they say, there's somebody who made a bunch of money on predicting what Trump was going to say in speeches on Calci, and he turned out to be a teleprompter operator, I believe, in the White House.

Yes, which is absurd.

Yeah. Again, I just, to me, the thing with Calci is I feel like it's a gross stew, it's a gross stew of lousy behavior that takes down, and you're right, I don't think, I think DraftKings is, is predate a word? I think DraftKings predates on people. Somehow I feel like Kalshi, it's somehow in my mind, and I'm not saying that this is rational or defensible, but in my mind it's like the sports betting apps I think are really victimizing people and really ruining lives, and to me it's like if you want to bet on a poly market, you dumb.

And by the way, I count myself at the front of that line for what it's worth. I'm sorry. I was so close to finding Alan Sepinwall's quote about Little House on the Prairie. I got really distracted there. I failed. I failed you. I failed the listeners.

And if I can say one thing, shout out Alan Sepinwall, TV critic and author. I would I would gently suggest updating the graphics on the Web site.

Oh, I wasn't. I was looking at I was looking at Blue Ski. What's what's going on on the Web site there?

It's it's you know, it's it's very serviceable. Scott Allen's books which look great he obviously wrote a book about Rod Serling he's written I think maybe two books about or one book about Mad Men another book about the Sopranos and a great writer a great writer I do I would like Alan from me to you let's update the what's Alan watching

graphic yeah the graphic design is my passion on that one most certainly yeah but everything else

on the website it looks quite informative and that's an even if you slightly botched it or whatever that's an interesting quote the idea of trying to reboot yeah a show from the 70s or from the 80s about a family living in the 1800s based on a book from the 1950s or whatever yeah it's a lot of little a lot of hoops to jump through are you tempted at all to watch the new one you know they wanted me to do a story about it no but it did i could i had a scheduling conflict with liveart they wanted me to go up to the set actually and when they asked me to do it i'll be be honest with you my first thought was that sounds really boring but as often happens then i read a write-up in the new york times about it and first i was like well dang i wish i would have done it because the new york times did a piece about it and because the new york times reporters are very talented it made it sound interesting you know it's been updated it's got more um sort of representation in it than the original tv show did as far as you know non-white people and other things like that so you know and it's it's a very you know those books are i would imagine even to this day, those books are really, really popular with young people.

There's more action, right? It's like the fast and the prairie-est or whatever. Is that what they're saying? A lot more race cars. No, I don't know. I'm just joking. I think how I would update it. Vin Diesel is in it. Two life, two prairie. I don't know.

Half pint. Go get married. That's my Vin Diesel as paw impression. People wondered, where are we going to get that today? As we're just coming back from the road. Yes, we are. This is my imitation of us wrapping up the show. Si se puede. All right, everybody. Thanks for listening. That is mercifully going to do it for today's episode of TVTL. But we will be right back here tomorrow with more imaginary radio for all of you. So please do join us for that. In the meantime, have a great Tuesday. Take care of yourselves. And please remember, no mountain too tall.

And good luck to all.

Power out.