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Alright, uncharted territory For these Seattle Seahawks of the last Probably seven, eight seasons Russell Wilson, three losses in a row What a world I'm Luke Burbank, right over there My friend Andrew Walsh, hello Hello Luke What a world, indeed Aye, aye, aye, aye, aye What's going on?

Can I just ask you that? Can we start off? Like, what do you think is going on with this team?

I'm the one person who knows what's going on

Oh, good Sounds good You've come to the right person I'm going to mute my mic Go for it But for real, I mean, that's the obvious question, right? I'm a type 30 All right Like, what is the major malfunction?

I think it must be a combination of factors I think it's that Russell Wilson is not 100%. And also I think that the Seahawks are falling victim to, or at least the fact that they haven't really upgraded at a lot of positions is being exposed because of Russell Wilson's not being 100%. You know what I mean? Mm-hmm.

Like, it's just, I mean, I saw so many people on— or just because he's missed time and there's something going on with him aside from whatever the actual physical finger brings along with it?

I have to attribute it to the finger, honestly. Like, he didn't miss that many games. He threw some balls decent, actually, yesterday. A couple, like one, long one to lock it. But I don't know. I just, there is something off about him. And if it's not the finger, then what is it? His psychology? Is it the fact that, you know, that he's Mr. Some Limited? Like, what could it be if it's not the finger?

I'm not sure. And I'm asking these questions out of pure curiosity because you have a better take on these things than I do.

May I preface this whole no point by saying I watched yesterday's Seahawks game on my phone while at Providence Park watching a soccer game.

Oh, interesting. Okay, yeah, because I saw that you had posted something about soccer as well. I see. I got you.

They got us some swanky tickets to the Timbers v. Minnesota, whatever they're called. And so I was there.

Is it the Wild? No, no, that's the hockey team.

But there was a guy wearing a Minnesota Wild jersey in the suite that we were in.

It's a great-looking jersey, isn't it?

I think it was an old-school one. I was just like, get your sport right, though.

Oh, I see, yeah. I don't know much about hockey, but it's just kind of on everybody's minds here in Seattle as the Seattle Kraken continue on their inaugural season, which is kind of rough going itself. But every now and then I'll look up at a TV somewhere and I'll see the wild playing. And, you know, no offense to our Kraken brethren, but I really like the colors of the wild. Maybe we should just talk about that today. Like, do we have to talk about the Seahawks?

Let's turn this into a hockey show.

Just Jersey show. Like, colors. I can talk about colors all day. Anyway, so you don't have a great handle on maybe the nuances. I don't have a hot take on it.

I just I think that it's a bunch of different factors, unfortunately, that are all kind of like kind of coalescing right now. You know, it's just we didn't we didn't improve. You know, we did not improve our defense. Our main running back, Chris Carson, is hurt. You know, we didn't upgrade our line really, even though supposedly we did like just a bunch of stuff kind of didn't come together this season. What it really feels like, and I think I might have said this on one of the earlier no points, it just feels like what it's like to be a fan of, like, 50% of the football teams in the NFL. And it sucks.

Although, things are so bunched up in the NFL this year, it is weird that, like, there aren't as many, like, I'm not trying to be rude here to the Seahawks, but I think they have the fifth.

worst record in the NFL right now like a lot of teams are you know hovering even around the middling you know maybe uh 500 mark or maybe have five wins or something like that and the Seahawks having three it is puzzling I don't have answers for this stuff and I don't want to paint myself in a corner here Luke where I'm gonna have to follow up with some of these notions because I obviously I don't know what the hell's going on either but like there's something my gut just tells me that it's not just the finger injury and i don't know what it is like first of all well

again i think it's i think it's the i think it's the combination of a lot of factors like the fingers part of it and then just a bunch of other stuff we've been able to as a team get away with not spending money on various positions and i think we just have hit this point where and and some of that just has to do a salary cap and stuff but i just think it's a bunch of things and the finger's one of them, but we just got caught this year by a lot of those factors.

The weird thing is when the Seahawks were dominant, dominant, it was during the Legion of Boom years, right? It was just a strong defensive team. And what we saw the last two weeks is a pretty strong defensive team. Not that mistakes weren't made on defense yesterday, but like a pretty good performance. And again, you know, I know that Arizona didn't have Kyler Murray. They got kind of embarrassed by Colt McCoy, though. Yeah, I mean, it is true. I mean, that's the thing to remember is it's Colt McCoy. And I did keep saying that. I kept yelling that at the TV. Like, it's Colt McCoy. Colt McCoy had some game, by the way.

At least the Seahawks made him look like he had some game.

Yeah, every now and then. But it just, it does seem like the defense, like some of the beginning of this season, right? The defense really looked terrible. In the last two games, the defense hasn't looked terrible. It's the offense that goes out there. One interesting thing I thought, though, that was kind of notable was the running game at the beginning of the game was solid I was loving it They were giving it to Collins, right? Yeah, because Carson's out there And then also DJ Dallas And a little bit of DJ Dallas But I remember, for some reason, the Collins runs really stick out in my head And I'm like, okay, I like this You have a defense, you have a run-first offense Then that gives you some options Like, I really liked that And I'm not smart enough to go into play calling And again, I wasn't even, you know, watching this by myself with the sound on. I was at a bar with friends. So I think that, you know, my take on this stuff isn't probably as solid as it could be either. But I certainly don't like to get into play calling. And that's a real weak spot for me as a viewer of this stuff.

But you and Pete Carroll.

So in my sentence, what I was going to say was I'm applying for a job. But it did seem like that run was working. But eventually they are going to shut down a run like that, I think But it was pretty exciting at first I don't know what ended up happening with that

Yeah, that's weird because usually if you can establish the run You get better as the game goes on Because the defense gets tired Yeah, again, I didn't do a good job of prepping for this Because I was kind of watching this literally on my phone But I think what we can agree on is that The Seahawks are not making the playoffs this year

Yeah, that's That's just out of the question

And that is the first time I can think of Since Russell Wilson joined the team That the playoffs were out of question this early

Yeah, well, I mean, let's Then, okay, we don't have to break down the game Because both of us I'm spending more time caveating Than actually saying anything So I'm going to get off of that Do you think Isn't that a segment on the sports station? Have a caveat already Do you think that Russell Wilson will be here next year? Because it seems like there's more and more kind of in the national media swirling around saying that that is pretty unlikely.

I don't know enough about salary caps and long term, you know, sort of plans and things to say that definitively. I will say that yesterday felt like the most it seemed the most likely that Russell Wilson might not be a Seahawk that I've ever seen, if that makes sense. Like, I don't really know what next year looks like. I mean, we do have a couple of real good receivers, though, in DK Metcalf and Tyler Lockett.

Yes.

They are good. And Russell Wilson, despite what's been going on since he came back, I think Russell Wilson is still good. That's kind of a pretty decent combo. You know what I mean? Like, I feel like it feels to me.

Like, where is he going to go that's a better setup for what he wants to do?

Or who are we going to get who's better? Although we keep losing to teams that don't have Russell Wilson at quarterback Clearly there's a way to do it And it turns out it's Colt McCoy

I've been thinking about this Maybe we get Colt McCoy I've been thinking more about Russell came very close to pushing himself out of Seattle For this season Last offseason It sort of seems like conventional wisdom is he will do that again and successfully land with another team. But as you say, like, you know, what is that other team? What team is looking for that position? And do they have like – Oh, I think there's a lot of teams that would love to have Russell Wilson. Absolutely. But, you know, are those teams that would love to have him, are they more attractive as far as – well, certainly targets are concerned, like you say. I mean, DK Metcalf is a god that walks among us as a man, you know. So I don't know.

Yeah, I don't I guess it comes down to maybe Maybe the Patriots Which really sucks I think they love Mac Jones Wait, is Mac Jones the Giant? No, no, Mac Jones is the Patriots I think So they drafted a guy, so maybe they like him, I don't know I just feel like there are places where Russell Wilson can still prosper And I think he wants to go If he doesn't want to stay at the Seahawks, he wants to go somewhere Where he can win And right now it's obviously not working in Seattle, but it's a real bummer to think about the end of the Russell Wilson era just because it's been so it's been so fun and so exciting and such a kind of, I don't know, privilege or something to be a fan of it all.

Yeah, definitely. Yeah, absolutely. Although. I mean, this is a weird thing to say, but I want Russell Wilson to stay with Seattle. Obviously, I want them to figure their shit out. I want this to be a fluke and I want next year to be a return to form. Maybe being a little Dave Rossi here, though As far as what you and I do And what you and I talk about on this show Week in and week out It would be I mean, if there's a new quarterback It might be painful But interesting Like, it's an interesting storyline

Well, like I'm saying We keep losing to teams that don't have Russell Wilson at quarterback

Yeah

So it is possible to win with not Russell Wilson

Yeah, exactly And depending on who that is And if they bring in the right people But, I mean, again And maybe getting on a little bit over my skis here, but that's where you get into people's complaints about the way the way Pete Carroll and the organization has built the team that they that they kind of, you know, get these these players from other like back in the heyday, you know, bringing in Lynch and and the folks for the Legion of Doom, like kind of creating this, you know, like kind of not spending tons of money, but putting together this sort of dream team, this unlikely sort of dream team. Right, they got super lucky on that. Yeah, they got super lucky, and that storyline is so damn cool, right? But now that you're in year 11, I can't remember how long Carol's been here, but you're in a decade or plus, and then you're seeing it kind of fall apart, and they expect these pieces just to fall into place again and playing it a little bit cheap, and then making decisions like getting rid of all of your draft picks so you can get... Jamal Adams who like I know that he's

Can we just agree the Jamal Adams Experiment has failed yeah and so And you got that P.I. that That cost us the game right

Yeah yeah exactly although I will say One thing I was watching as I Mentioned on the regular show I was watching the game With Camaro Kevin Anita And I was like I was so mad when I saw That I'm like oh come on Jamal Adams And then he's like yeah but if he doesn't get PI there that's probably a caught ball Like that's probably a touchdown anyway if it's Not PI what do you think of that I guess You were watching on your phone but

My phone told me that Yeah probably but it's just The dude is a safety he should be able To cover a tight end Without PI true Yes that's my issue with him he's Not good he had a he had An almost safety he had one good play Where he you know tackled the guy like the One but that was the only thing Again that I noticed on my phone as I was watching a soccer game like I just yeah I think it was not a good thing uh that we did to to lose all those draft picks I have been apologized to by Mike Peska personally over this

as a Jets fan how so because Jamal Adams is such a bust oh I see right him coming over from the Jets yeah and last year I loved him I mean he was so much fun last year and I loved his energy and I think he performed well last year which is why they why they they laid out for him this this offseason but yeah that this has been um this has definitely been tough i don't have some

kind of like overarching thing about this team to say other than you know the arc of the nfl season is long or i should say the arc of the nfl team is long but it bends towards the unexpected and right now it feels like this team sucks and p carroll is a bad coach and john schneider is a Bad GM we could be feeling very Different season from now I don't Think you get rid of a of a Generational quarterback like Russell Wilson if you don't have To you know that's kind of my Take on it and you have again With DK Metcalf he's a he's an make sure. extremely solid receiver Tyler Lockett is an extremely solid receiver I'm not personally ready to throw this whole thing out yeah and I don't by the way I don't think that the Seahawks want to get rid of Russell Wilson and I don't understand the machinations of what goes into these contract negotiations or why would even why he would have he's under contract he's under contract but as you always say those contracts are kind of weird um as far as well they're

actually held accountable to and they're weird in that that the team can cut you at any time

But as the player, you are pretty obligated, but you can force your way out if you're a star player like Russell Wilson and you just decide to like not play ball, like literally not play ball like you can. I mean, because I mean, that is what the talk was like. That's why everybody was all fretting last season about him potentially leaving, although I always thought that was more his his his kind of like entourage than anything like his management. And I think there is a good argument for that. And I felt that at the time, too. I never spent a moment. I never spent a moment during all of that negotiation talk last year thinking that he wasn't going to be a Seahawk there. Maybe it's maybe I started to doubt a tiny, tiny bit like, oh, is there is there actual actual fire where the smoke is? But that was not really a storyline that I paid much attention to. I also find those storylines of football kind of hard to follow, not all that interesting this year, though. And maybe it's just because I'm listening to too much Mina Kimes or what have you. But it's just like what is she saying about this, by the way? Well, I mean, just it seems like it's a given that Russell will probably like Russell and Aaron Rodgers will probably not be with their teams next year. It's just sort of the vibe that I get from, again, national sports media. But Mina knows the Seahawks, too. Like, you know, I mean, that's that's her team. So and again, I can't I can't parrot what what she says. She I'm out of my league there as well. So I don't know, but that would be interesting. But just to be very clear, and I'm not saying, I'm not making a bet here like, Luke, you watch for it. Russell's going to force himself out next year. I'm just saying that I want to make it clear that I'm not saying that the Seattle Seahawks think that they can do better than Russell Wilson. I don't think that's a narrative. I don't know. But whether or not Russell will stick around will be interesting, and whether or not Aaron Rodgers will stick around and Green Bay will be interesting.

If Russell leaves the Seahawks, the one silver lining would be you free up a lot of money. And you might become a team That doesn't rely on the quarterback To be a magician You rely on various other positions To be pretty competent I mean that's the whole thing that happens Somebody once said the only way you can really Be good and make it to the Super Bowl Is to have a Breakout quarterback that's still under their rookie contract Because once They're good then you have to pay them And then that is less money for all other positions Yeah which is what we saw it's a real bummer to think about not having russell wilson but if we didn't have him i'd sure love a you know a secondary that can freaking cover and i feel like that's a thing you might be able to afford i don't know like i'll just go back to the thing i've already said four times we are losing the teams that don't have russell wilson at quarterback so there is a world in which not having russell wilson is not the end of the world if the rest of your

positions are decent yeah and i will also be really cool to see like uh them invest in like a real running back right one who will actually play more than three games not mr glass yeah

exactly so that would be cool yeah that's another bummer like you wonder if carson had stayed healthy although like you said earlier in the show like i thought that dj dallas and alex collins actually looked pretty good yesterday yeah it you know for moments uh and the other thing is our defense i just think our our defense is somehow a combination of too old and too young which is really the sweet spot it's really what you want to have you want to have like bobby wagner who's roughly my age and then you want to have jordan brooks who's roughly my daughter's age you want to try to have that's not even true my daughter's about to be 28 that's a bad comparison like just i feel like this defense is so out of whack i mean yesterday was just completely demoralizing The amount of yardage And the amount of third downs Where they couldn't get off the field Against a Colt McCoy helmed team Yeah

And also not being able to convert Their own third downs Which I mean I guess that's kind of obvious I think somebody I was with Maybe it was Anita was joking around About the sideline reporter Always saying Well I talked to the coach And he said we really need to start Converting those third downs Really is that what the coach said Thanks for that insight Oh hey Sherlock Yeah exactly

What's the situation with the shit

some shit or no shit right right right but that is that is a very frustrating thing i saw a little bit of well quite a bit of that in the browns game as well the browns won yesterday i'm not trying to transition although we can the browns were able to defeat yeah the juggernaut that is

the what was it is it tim boyle yeah do you know tim boyle's backstory no he is a it's it is remarkable that guy is started in an NFL game he was a backup quarterback in college he I believe his quarterback rating was like negative 100 like he had the most terrible this sounds like I'm trying to roast the Browns and I'm not it is amazing I was reading Tim Boyle's stats though he is a person who's failed at every single level of being quarterback and somehow started an NFL game which is kind of Awesome.

See, I didn't know that his record was so bad in college. I know that he was starting his very first. So this is a team that before yesterday was 0-8-1 in the Detroit Lions. And they're missing their starting quarterback, Jared Goof, who, all right, it's Jared Goof. But then they're throwing in a rookie quarterback who has never played, has never started a game in the NFL. And you have the Cleveland Browns Who are supposed to be contenders this year Who are just absolutely stacked with talent And got spanked 45-7 last week Against New England Like, this needed to be a game I mean, we got the win Like, I'm not trying to, you know Coming off of a conversation about the Seahawks That was pretty dire Like, I'm not trying to be, like, an ungrateful fan If that's what you're sort of thinking Or feeling, Luke, right now

That's what I'm definitely thinking

But, of course, we'll take the win And, of course, we'll take the 6-5 record and still be in the mix. But the Cleveland Browns have some major problems. We squeaked out a 13-10 win that was always in question until Nick Chubb was able to get a couple of first downs in the final drive and were able to run out the clock. But it was fingernails clinging to the side of a cliff against a team that I mean no disrespect to Lions fans. Like, I've been there. Remember. Shout out, Ken. It was not all that long ago that the Browns won one game over the course of two seasons. One game over the course of two seasons. Like, I don't, you know, I don't take, I was actually even thinking, like, well, if the Browns lose this, I'm just going to try to be happy for Detroit fans that they won't go winless. I don't want Detroit to go winless. So I'm not trying to dunk here is my point. But they're bad. Did you consider biting their kneecaps as you fell? I played Genevieve that tape while the game was thing. She's like, I like that. I find him very winning. I'm like, yeah. Then he cried about it. Did you know that he broke down in tears or got choked up or something?

I honestly kind of love Dan McDonald a little bit.

What is his last name? McDonald? Is it?

I could be wrong.

I think we're getting that slightly wrong, but I'm not being much of a help here. Yeah, no, but I mean, right? he he's he's passionate I do too I think I love that Genevieve's reaction to that tape was I kind of love that like he's he swore what I forgot about that tape that we always play about the kneecap tape that is at one point he says like you've had the this city said the shit knocked out of it or something like that and then he apologizes like he literally forgot that this was his inaugural press conference of course this was you know last offseason um what's his name Dan Campbell. Campbell, yes, I knew him. Not McDonald, my bad, Dan Campbell. But anyway, so all of that is to say, like, the Browns, it is very unclear what's going on. It's something to do with Baker Mayfield. He's hurt all over the place, and this is where, like, this is kind of the big question today because a lot of people thought that they would put Case Keenum in, our backup quarterback, for this game because the Detroit Lions do have, again, a terrible record, And Baker Mayfield has one pretty major injury on his non-throwing shoulder. But then he's also just got a million other injuries. Like they threw some graphic on the screen where they just started circling the parts of his body where it hurt. And it turns out it's everywhere, right? Like foot, foot, leg, leg, knee, knee. It was a real Dan Campbell situation. And so like he is hobbled, right? And there's this toughness to him that I do. you know listen I'm a fan not just because of the the X's and O's of what happens on the field I like the narratives and I like Baker Mayfield I really do you gotta love some grittiness yeah and I was you know I think in his first season I was a little iffy he could have come out being too cocky I think that actually if he was too good if the team was too good during his first seasons he would be obnoxious right now but I think that being a Cleveland quarterback has humbled him but he stuck around and the grittiness doesn't just go with these physical elements that he's playing through too but like probably the the grittiness of just having to learn to shut his mouth and take his lumps as as you try to turn this team around like I would be sad because there's a lot of questions about whether or not Baker will be back too I don't know if this would be his last contract year or next year but I think this and so there's all these questions like is Baker the future quarterback of this team and I I cringe when I hear that I hate it because like I have been in the desert for a long time without a quarterback and he's my quarterback I mean I have a quarterback Luke like I haven't two names for you

I haven't had that. Brian Hoyer and Tim Couch. Right, exactly. I sat out the couch years. That was pre-me. And Brian Hoyer, of course, is a man for others who finished off the ass-whooping against us. He's the backup quarterback for—I don't even think any of the announcers even acknowledged that last week or I missed it. He's a Patriot? He came in to finish the Patriot game last week because, you know, why keep Mac out there when it was such a thumping? So anyway, I don't know what's going on with Baker. They probably shouldn't have put him out there. My guess, and I haven't heard anybody say this I haven't kind of gone through There's a podcast I love listening to After the games, but it takes them a few hours to get it out And I never had a chance to listen to it yesterday That's like it's a bunch of Cleveland Browns beat writers I think most of them writing for the Cleveland Plain Dealer, including Mary Cabot, who's kind of the main The main beat writer for the Cleveland Browns Anyway, I love their takes on this stuff And I want to hear about it because A theory I have is Maybe Coach Stefanski was thinking I'll put Baker in for the first half, run up the score, and then go to our backup quarterback? Because a lot of people were surprised that he was in there at all. If that was the plan—

You guys probably should have been able to beat them with Case Keenum. With Case Keenum.

Exactly. And you can never—we'll never know, right? That's alternate history. And it doesn't make sense to start with Case Keenum, and then if you run into trouble, pull him and put Baker in. And again, I don't know if this is the case at all, but I'm wondering if Stefanski thought maybe we can run up the score in the first half and if so, sit Baker and then let Case finish up the game. That's not even a terrible idea, sort of, but a lot of people, that clearly didn't happen because the Browns never, you know, I think we went into the half 13-0, but that's clearly not enough. It wasn't enough to put the game away. And so it's really unclear, like Baker was limping again at one point, like he's just getting the shit kicked out of him. And for the first time ever And I don't know the scuttlebutt on this yet But for the first time ever He did not come out and address the media after the game Which first of all, I don't even know if he's going to be fine for that

Yeah, I saw a column of how that was like There was somebody that was trying to create some heat around that Basically saying he was being selfish by not doing that

And I don't know I mean, there's a chance that that's it Although he's just shown a lot of maturity lately Even with like going through the all If he was able to go out there and talk He did that yard sale He did the yard sale And he was able to go out and talk about the Odell Beckham situation In a way that just said like you know I love that guy You know if this is on me But you know what I mean he's not Being a big public baby about Stuff and maybe after yesterday's Game I mean he did win you know My guess is he just got the shit kicked Out of him and didn't really they were Booing him fans were booing him at one point Although it's unclear if they were just like booing The play calling or I read that he

Missed Njoku on an open pass And that's when they were booing him he was That scans

Although Njoku, did Njoku have another drop too? I'm not sure I think Njoku also had another drop Although I may be confusing that with last week I really like him as a tight end But he does get the dropsy sometimes But Baker was inaccurate yesterday He was just completely inaccurate You couldn't put the game on him I mean, thank God Chubb was back off of the COVID list And he had a hell of a game And Chubb won the game for us And I'm glad that we won the game But we're now going in to play the Ravens and the Ravens are good. The Ravens are 7-3, and they're falling behind. I don't know if I've watched any full Ravens games. My blood pressure can't take it, but it seems like there's a pattern where they will fall behind a little bit and then come from behind and win. I don't even know if the Browns will be able to hold them next week, but it might have been nicer if we could have won this game against the Detroit Lions with Case Keenum. Let Baker rest. We haven't had a bye week yet, Luke. We go in to face the Ravens, then we have a bye week, And then we face the freaking Ravens again. And they're going to chew us up.

They're going to kill us, especially next week. I mean, I know it's the Lions again. Peace and love, Detroit listeners. But the defense, you know, held them to 10 points, 13 points. 10 points. Yeah. Yeah. And, you know, your defense could could, you know, befuddle Lamar Jackson.

You never know. Got a couple of interceptions. So, yeah. And our secondary is actually looking a lot better. This and of course then you know Miles Garrett is one of the most talented players in the league Right so probably defensive player Of the year I'm guessing so you know It's not just the secondary but yeah no A lot going for the Browns and again It's that that I know I'm Just sound like a broken record but that's one of the tough Things about this season is like they're stacked Like they're stacked with talent I like Stefanski I don't know what's going On there people are starting to lose faith In him thinking that he's not making the best calls But it feels like We have a good coach and a great team and we are getting spanked by New England and scratching out wins against the winless Lions. But I will say this. The Lions do have a tie.

They do, but winless. I feel like I've said this about the Browns a bunch of times, but what is good is you're winning ugly games. I mean, you lost a terrible game against the Patriots, but what's different about the Browns versus the Seahawks this season is you're at least winning some ugly games where it's like, oh, we should have won by more, but we got the win. Sure. And the Seahawks are not doing that, and I do think that that stuff kind of adds up and kind of means something eventually. I mean, I'm worried about Baker over the course of the season because, like you said, he's injured all over the place. So that's something that's—who's the backup? Oh, Case Keenum. Case Keenum, yeah. I mean, you guys could kind of win with Keenum, too, by the way. If you have a good defense, I don't think—

Yeah, he can protect—I think he was pretty responsible with the ball, which I always think is the most important thing in that position.

I mean, again, Keenum had a real season with the Vikings. So I think Keenum's a decent backup, and, like, with your defense being strong, if it comes down to it—but, again, the question is, like, yeah, what will happen to Baker over the course of the rest of the season because he's so sort of banged up. But, again, what are you guys, 5-5? 6-5 now.

We still haven't.

6-5.

Yeah, and that's the weird thing, too, because we haven't had any. Kill to be 6-5. Because we haven't had.

No, tell me who I have to kill to be 6-5.

Our bye week. It's Baker Mayfield, and the good news is he's very easy to kill right now. I have a feeling that him not addressing the media, I'm not too worried about that. I'm going to try to get into the scuttlebutt a little bit later today. But I'm not worried about that him being a baby. You're going to try to get behind a Browns paywall somewhere? Yeah, exactly. I'm going to listen to a podcast and maybe read a story. I'm not super worried about that right now. I'm worried about his health. I wish he could have rested against the Lions to face the Ravens. I think a week 13 bye is killer. I mean, especially with what this team is going through right now. You like that later bye?

Oh, yeah. It's so good because, like, if you – let's just say you go somehow steal one from the Ravens. Just like Lamar has an off game. Miles Garrett goes crazy. Chubb chunts it up. Then you get a bye. Then you can get like a little bit healthy.

I would take it before this game. I mean, we're just so beat up, man. I just, I mean, yeah, in your scenario, if we beat the Ravens, that's great. But I just don't think, I mean, and again, I mean, you don't want a bye week too early. That's a total waste. I would be angry about that. But I mean, nobody needs a bye week like Baker Mayfield needs a bye week right now. Like, you know what I mean? He needs to lick his wounds. So anyway, those wounds are lickable. I don't think it's tough. You know what I mean?

Like, I don't know if those are things that are going to sort of bedevil him for the rest of the season. Those are like you need six months kind of things.

The shoulder fracture of a shoulder, the shoulder, certainly. But it's his non-throwing arm, but it's his legs and his feet and his getting stomped on. Like, those aren't I don't think he's got any, like, discernible injuries on those other. I mean, I don't know exactly what they are. I should just look this up right now.

He's basically like my apartment I just moved out of. A lot of wear and tear, but they still gave me my deposit back.

Right. Yes, exactly.

They couldn't pinpoint enough damage that they couldn't give me my deposit back. But there was definitely some wear and tear.

I'm just taking a look at, yeah, whenever you leave an apartment anyway. Why did the Browns play Baker Mayfield on Sunday? Dog Pound Daily. I'm just looking for a list of his injuries.

What's Dog Pound Daily saying about that?

This was from earlier this morning Here it's highlighting one graph in the middle Let's trust Google here It was apparent from the outset that Baker Mayfield's injured shoulder Left knee, right knee, and left foot We're preventing it Answers to the name of Lucky We're preventing him from throwing the ball accurately Didn't I just make that joke on Friday, by the way? Yeah That was my dad's favorite joke when I was a kid, by the way Lost dog, you know Let me tell you my pteropractor joke A week back His early passes were sailing high leading to an interception early due to these injuries his accuracy was not that of a healthy baker i don't know what they're going to get to about why this is dog pound daily is one of those things where you got to keep clicking through the pages they're like counting their clicks by dividing the article up between five pages so that's not doing us any good but anyway we might have more i get all my browns information by the way adopt don't shop go to the dog pound you know what who rescued who is what i want to know um so anyway i'm feeling um you know again I'm glad that we're six and five I want to make it very clear that I'm glad that we're six and five and not five and six okay um but I am dreading next week I'm absolutely dreading next week I'm thinking about just getting rid of my phone before Sunday so that I don't have to take shit from everybody talking about you Tierra um but uh yeah so I I there's a chance that we come back on week 14 after a bye and maybe beat the Ravens also um the Ravens played their backup quarterback yesterday but i didn't get uh i don't know uh why oh it was a non they said it was a non-covid illness for lavar for lamar jackson huh which is non-covid illness which is weird because he's got covid twice now did you know that i didn't know that but i remember when he got diarrhea and had to run out oh that's right and then came back and beat the browns very relatable

i mean yeah sorry that went bad for the browns but like i would get diarrhea the second they put me

i think if i found out i was going to an nfl see i'm different i think i would never poop again i think it would bind me he would buy i'm built ford constipated um so anyway do you think the nfl is ever considered collaborating with the armed forces um you know i don't even know how they feel about the armed forces i know that in a in a trip they leave it so vague in a tribute to the military on veterans day weekend last weekend they also celebrated police officers i know that

as genovie pointed out did they do their official you could take it or leave it yeah right honor of

the military just because we're militarizing our city police forces by giving them military equipment does not actually make them part of the armed forces nfl you can hold off on your

tributes to the cops on Veterans Day dude I went to the Nike store here in Portland like the one you can only go to if you know someone who works at Nike uh-huh yeah and like half of it was camouflage Russell Wilson jerseys and Justin Herbert jerseys and I just wanted to burn the

place down I like that the um the Seattle coaching staff did not go in for that though I noticed that the Arizona staff did you say okay here's the one thing I want to do here Luke and I don't know if you have time to fool around with this but we did promise on the show today or at least I did that we would at least give a mention to the idea of what if what if we as football teams started recruiting several quarterbacks to use at different times during the game depending on where you are in the game what do you think i mean this is something that teams have tried and it's never

worked oh i didn't know that not three quarterbacks but definitely two quarterbacks huh here's what i think it is you need a quarterback who has the institutional memory of the game Like I hate Aaron Rodgers With the fire of a thousand suns now But what I do give him credit for is He gets up to the line He runs the clock down Like the play clock down to like one And he makes the defense Do all of its fake kind of positioning And then their real thing And then he audibles Or just does the thing that Works the best against that particular defense I feel like A quarterback who has seen What the defense is throwing at them Over the course of a game is more savvy At least sort of Hypothetically, theoretically I should say Than A person who's been brought in In the wildcat I mean this happens all the time and this is what New Orleans did Like they had Drew Brees and Taysom Hill And Taysom Hill was a guy who could really run And occasionally throw up but mostly run And they would bring Taysom Hill in all the time

Oh So it's not that wacky of an idea Although I guess it wasn't super successful

um no i mean they had a really good season um i just think again it's it's one of those things where and i don't know i mean i a lot of the conventional wisdom of football eludes me like i just feel like every team should be going for it on fourth down at any time that they're on their own 40 or closer to the other team's end zone so who knows but also these people sit around studying this shit all day and i don't well actually though i think a lot of the league

And this league this year very much, I think, has bought into what you just said. I mean, Stefanski, certainly. Stefanski's always going forward on fourth down, unless you're in your own end zone. Right, but not Pete Carroll.

Pete Carroll likes to punt it on the 36th.

Well, only after calling a third down and 20 run. Oh, check down?

No, a run. Third and 20. Hand off to Travis Homer?

Yeah. At the 50-yard line. Frustrating. That was the worst call of the game. I said I don't know enough to, like, question calls. I questioned that call. What's the downside of going for it? For taking a shot, you mean?

You're not on your own five. No, no, no, no. I'm agreeing with you 100%. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Like, I was watching that. So before we went to the soccer game, we were, like, at this other location near the stadium, but they had the football game on, and I watched that play with utter disgust. Because you're at your 50. Worst case scenario, you punt it. What are you doing handing off to Travis Homer there?

It just makes no sense. And if you're a go for it on fourth mentality, especially at the 50 yard line or beyond, then you can get seven of them. What's that? Yeah, exactly. Like if you but the thing is, we're Seahawks fans. So we know that he's never going to go for it on fourth, which is just such bullshit. Like that changes everything. If you're looking at that third and 20, listen, that's a tough that's a tough situation to be in, obviously. But if you look at that as a fourth down, as a fourth down, if you have two downs to get the 20 yards, do that. Russell Wilson can do that.

Absolutely. No, I mean, this is where I'm starting to feel like some of these people on Twitter I was seeing yesterday Who were just like, burn it down And get rid of Pete Carroll I mean, that kind of coaching really mystifies me I guess your thinking is I don't know what your thinking is I honestly don't going to try to get into his head but no i just don't understand it no i mean unless it's kind of

like well the defense is expecting a pass here and i am secretly thinking this is fourth down territory so we're going to get uh we're going to maybe get a seven yard run or something we're

going to run a draw and catch them by surprise and get 14 yards that's asking too much like we're

going to catch them by surprise you can't bank on that like and also we know that they're not thinking that also what's every week i ask you this what's the name of the offensive coordinator Shane whatever this is his first year right Waldron this is his first year you would say like maybe it's like hey we're going with a new system here and it's going to take some time I'm a big fan of giving things time because as an unsuccessful radio host I'm a big fan of giving things time but it's it's not like hey we're sticking with some new plan and it's not working out now but it's going to take us time to what is the plan what is the unifying vision of the offense Is there one?

Not that I can tell, honestly. And, I mean, this is also what I think—I think this speaks to Russell Wilson's finger not being okay. The number of times that they just handed off. I mean, first of all, that is Pete Carroll's M.O. He's always trying to establish the run. But there were just—it looked like when you put a backup quarterback in and you don't want them to get in trouble. The number of times they handed off. And in situations that it just didn't make sense, you know?

Just protect the ball. Don't take any risks.

Yeah, it felt like they were—although, I don't know. Russell has the autonomy to check down. I mean, to sort of audible those plays. Like I think he can go to the line and call whatever play he wants. So he was doing it some of the time. That's so confusing. Yeah.

Yep. Anyway. Okay. So the, so I guess this, this idea of having a couple of quarterbacks and then, and kind of switching them off depending on the situation is not as unique as I thought when I heard Billy Gill talking about it on the Dan Levitard show. Cause I, I really, three would be novel. Yeah, certainly I guess. Yeah.

Three would be pretty cool. What would they be? They'd be like the person who throws the ball far, the person who runs it, and then the person who throws it short? I don't know.

Just a game manager so the other two can rest? I don't even know. I don't even know. But it is true. Did you say this on the other show, or was this a conversation I was having yesterday with somebody who said, well, but if you're putting in a quarterback, like, hey, we're putting in our fleet-footed quarterback, well, then the defense can read that pretty easily. Hey, they got the fleet-footed guy. I didn't say that, but that's a decent point Yeah, exactly

Teams will start to scheme pretty quickly For what the quarterback's strengths are And so it's like, oh, we put the guy in who's good at running And then they know that that's probably a run play

Yeah, oh, here it is Baker Mayfield says, don't really care about being booed by Cleveland Browns fans So yeah, he probably, maybe his feelings were just hurt And so he didn't want to give a post-game press conference But, I don't know, if that's his worst sin Like, I don't care Like, the guy's been through a lot I'm with you, he's not a problem He's been showing a lot of grit And he's clearly putting himself out there for the team I think it's fine for him to Maybe after a game like this not talk to the press

Not do a Zoom interview with the press?

No, they're at podiums now, right? Are they not? Yeah, I think they are

They probably are I saw Aaron Rodgers do some weird-ass Zoom thing yesterday With the NFL Network Because I was watching the Red Zone In the soccer thing And it was very Well, again, peace and love to Packers fans But it was really fun to see him lose and to see him have to do a post-game thing on Zoom on the NFL network?

I don't know if I can stand by this, but I was texting the Stu about yesterday after the win, and I almost texted him this, and then I took it back because I was like, is this intellectually honest? Is this emotionally honest? Is this just honest? But I wasn't watching that Vikings-Packers game because I was watching the Browns game, but I was kind of keeping an eye on the score, and I saw that it was like a real nail-biter, back and forth, back and forth, wins with a field goal with no time left on the clock. I was trying to think, would I have traded my Browns? If it had to be this way, would I have traded a Browns win for a Vikings win there? Would I have been – because I felt – What? How is that even a question? How would that even happen? Like, I felt so happy about the results of that. Like, I felt happy – and maybe it was because it was such a shitty Browns game, but I was so, so happy to see the results of that Vikings game. I felt more emotion about that than I did about the Browns win. So part of me was kind of like, I am happier about that.

Because of, like, your animus towards Aaron Rodgers.

Exactly, and that rivalry, and the Vikings have not had an easy go this weekend, and it's just like, and I just, oh, God, I'm just so happy for Vikings fans. I'm just so happy for Vikings fans today, man.

Even Becca knew this. She was like watching part of the game. She goes, don't the Vikings always lose to a game day? And I was like, yes. Right, exactly. They do, and they didn't this time. Exactly. So congratulations.

Yes, indeed.

Lifelong Vikings fan, Luke Burbank.

I know, me too. Checking in. Look at me hopping on the – and what's their record too? I like the way we're Vikings bandwagoners. Maybe five and five? Uh –

They were under .500 before they won, before this game. Because the commentators kept commenting on the fact that the Vikings have led in every game they've played. And they were like, and how can they be under .500? So I think they got to .500 with that. Yeah, that's rough.

All right. Well, that's all I got. All right.

Well, go Browns. Indeed. Go Seahawks experiment. We're going to learn some things. Again, we're going to learn how the other half lives. which is i mean this is what it's like to be a jets fan all and i don't say this to be dismissive of the jets i just mean there are so many teams that are generally generally have a losing record and generations exactly and like it really stinks for the seahawks to suck right now but it's like we have been so lucky with this team and hopefully the ride's not over but it's it's it's you know it's a good reminder to think about how so much of the rest of the NFL lives.

Oh, amen. And again, and that's why me and like to switch it back to the Browns for a second, like I'm trying to keep the six and five in perspective because, you know, I'm concerned about this team. And again, this really based on talent was supposed to be a very exceptional year for the Browns. And it's not, it's not an exceptional year, but it's exceptional in the fact that they haven't lost every single game. I mean, just two whole seasons with one win. Like, I just can't stress that enough. And that was like yesterdoodle. You know, that was not the 1980s. We're talking about a couple of years ago. So, you know, I'm definitely appreciating the six and five, but I am so dreading next week, Luke. I might just, I don't know, can I just move some more there in football?

Is next week in Baltimore?

Oh, hey, that's a really good question. Let me look. I've just noticed that, I've just known that it's going to be a, yeah, it's going to be at the Ravens and then come back and play the Ravens.

You guys might steal one. You never know.

I mean, honestly, Lamar sometimes lays an egg. He does. He does. My thing is don't let your guard down on this one if anybody's watching this. In fact.

I don't think the Browns are going to suffer from overconfidence after beating the Lions 13-10 or whatever. Also, look at this.

We have two primetime games next week. Ravens, Browns are Sunday night football. Is that right? Yeah, Sunday night football it looks like. Unless that's gotten flexed, which I don't think it is. And you said you cannot flex Monday night, right? It's only the Sunday night games that can be flexed? Well, the thing is they've already recorded the Carrie Underwood thing. Oh, okay, gotcha.

I've been waiting all day for Monday night. Were the Seahawks playing, by the way?

The Seahawks are playing the Washington football team.

The Hawks and the football team are ready to fight.

On Monday night football.

How does she work in the – because there's nothing you can say about the Washington football team.

The team, the team, the Hawks and the team.

Are gonna fight

Alright everybody

Once Carrie Underwood records the song It's locked

Yeah look forward to that Stone cold lock Two Oh god that actually kind of makes you nervous Doesn't it Two primetime games coming up for the Hawks

Honestly the Washington football team Looks kind of good right now Ron Rivera is their coach They have a solid defense Heineke I mean they went down and beat Carolina In Carolina With Heineke Taylor Heineke playing really well Like I I don't necessarily see good things for the Seahawks. No, that's rough. That's rough. But it's great because I can go to soccer games now. Exactly. Your new favorite sport. That's right. Lifelong soccer fan, Luke Burbank, checking in. Okay. Thanks for listening, everybody. We will probably be back here next week. Actually, we'll be probably back on Tuesday because if there's a Monday night game. Yeah, right. Yeah. So please join us for that. Until then, I don't know how you could forget this because you just listened to 48 Minutes, But you know with this show there's absolutely no tangent too long. Or detail too wrong.

I will always be around.