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You know you rock when you roll with the Seahawks Marshawn Lynch, Beast Moe with his dreadlocks Rolls and passes the ball to the endzone touchdown you know we're gonna get the crown in super bowl 24 team we get the ring the bling listen to the crowd sing seahawks seahawks seahawks we block that offense to say we'll lose is such an offense and nonsense we got the best defense being the other quarterback comes with the expense of the act of being sacked i hope the broncos have enough time to react to the level of game the hawks are bringing that evening a super bowl sunny because they're gonna go all the way for the win starting when the game begins all the way to the end of the game And to go down in fame as the Super Bowl champions of this year, this team should be feared.

You better saddle up when you roll with Seattle. Broncos seem like some old cattle left in the field after...

All right, hello, everyone. Welcome to the TBTL No Point Conversion. Luke Burbank here. Andrew Walsh, right over there in the Roosevelt neighborhood of Seattle, Washington. How are you feeling today, my friend? I'm feeling really good.

But it did occur to me maybe I should have found a Browns-related song because our dear Seahawks had a bye week this week, of course. What's the equivalent?

I mean, I guess you could have just played Joel Batonio.

Luke, I just heard that song in the wild. I was listening to some Cleveland Browns radio or just some 710 Cleveland sports radio just a moment ago, and I didn't realize that they turned our favorite commercial from the television side over into a radio. My name is Jack, and I protect your city's favorite quarterback. Go on.

A commercial that good, you don't just leave it on one broadcast platform like television. You convert it to just, I mean, I assume it'll also be a print ad at some point.

I would certainly hope so.

Speaking of Cleveland Browns fans, a special addition to the show today, we have my actual brother, David.

i'm aware of how destiny is gonna take its course brother bro brothers brah brothers brother

brothers brother brother brother brother brother brother brother uh david from the basement here with the browns jersey on welcome to the show hello hello it's actually it's a it's more of a brown sweater i said jersey and i apologize david you're a dapper you're a dapper young man and i don't see you out in the world wearing an actual jersey you're wearing actually a very cool kind of throwback v-neck sweater where'd you get that from uh i just ordered it online like

probably six or seven seasons ago um it's a throwback sweater though right that thing is it is yeah yeah i'm really mostly surprised that it hasn't uh had not at any point gotten stained at the uh at the westie or at the art marble 21 um you know with hot wings and stuff uh the only

thing that got stained at art marble 21 was my soul exactly a few brutal art brown reputation i

Just for the record, I am wearing my Browns bootleg T-shirt that I got from some company that makes Cleveland-related T-shirts. So it's a bootleg version of the WMMS Buzzard, and it just says Cleveland Browns. Or it doesn't say Browns. They can't use the word Browns. It says Cleveland Football Rocks. So that's what I got going on over here. I love that.

Well, speaking of intro. I'm wearing my Russell Wilson-branded performance-optimized wicking outfit that... I have to tell you what. That sounded good. Here's what's going on here. Here's what's happening currently. Okay, this is the first time that DFTB and I have been here together in the Hollywood Broadcast Studio. And I don't have everything quite figured out. And so we're both standing. It's kind of awkward. the body position because of where the two microphones are and what it really means i can't reach my audio board while also maintaining eye contact with david so what you just heard was me trying to play a russell wilson uh related joke uh and realizing that the volume was down on the board and then turning it up only to realize i was still playing marvin gay what i was trying to say is i'm wearing a russell wilson branded um there it is uh performance uh i assume that any clothing that russell wilson puts his name on is the highest performing clothing you what i mean it's like using the most nanotechnology and what was that nano water what was the thing he was into some kind of like water that was extra watery yeah neuro water neuro water or

something he's always well he's the least problematic uh quarterback in the nfc right now Yeah, you're right about that.

like i'll be standing in line at like a random grocery store or like a a drug store that i'm not in often and there will always be some product that i had no idea even existed that has russell wilson's face on it it's never something obvious it's just like some weird ass contraption that's like kind of kind of pushed up on a high shelf somewhere i don't know if you guys have the same experience uh i actually there is russell wilson in the news

today um he released a kind of a cryptic video uh i saw this because our friend the stew bot sent this out to the fun loving criminals and this is while you and i were doing tbtl andrew and and stew just said i hope that he hangs 50 on the packers um but then i watched the video and it was unclear to me it's about 40 seconds long it's russell wilson doing like training stuff and just with some music playing in the background then it says it's time i guess we should read that as Russell Wilson saying he will come but he will be back for the Green Bay game is that what was that

is that what we all take away from that well I know like a few days ago he had released another video um where he was like taking his wrappings sort of off of his hand and he was doing sort of you know fairly slow gentle throwing but I assume this is just the next in the progression I I also assume that he'll be back next Sunday I didn't I didn't uh question anything otherwise but I was

googling around today trying to find like a boy it's bad when you're looking for Adam Schefter's latest on a thing um but I was trying to find if anybody has something more concrete than just a video where Russell says it's time and also in one in one of the shots he's in full pads it's like clearly not current you know what I mean like it was like him but from a different era Which further confused me Because I wanted to see him In real time Unwrap his finger, walk out onto the field Take a football and throw it down the field That to me would indicate that he's ready to go But I guess this probably means he's back

Because I saw one At one point during my Twitter feed Because of all the nonsense that I follow It was the same thing I don't think I'd ever seen this before I'm not joking I looked at Twitter It must have been during the show Because he posted this at 9.30 and it was like the first seven tweets I saw were all somebody retweeting the same thing and it starts with him like in the clinic somewhere and it says x-ray in use and you see him like wrapping up his finger and then little by little we see him this is the music that's playing by the way which also could indicate he's joined a circus yeah and you see him like talking to doctors and they're looking at x-rays and little by little his finger is coming out of a cast now he's in physical therapy and then you see him practicing And then by the end, you see him in full gear entering the play area.

Right, but my question is, did he put on full pads and run out onto the field? Or is that an older piece of tape? To me, the narrative is thrown off by him in full uniform and pads.

Yeah, well, he's wearing two different uniforms. And one, it's a white shirt, and one in blue. It's just a montage of various Russell Wilson things.

Because what I want to know from a factual basis is how much of this footage is him in this moment of life? Like, how is his finger doing? I don't care about video of him from before he hurt his finger.

Right. We've seen plenty of that.

That's why I'm not trying to be so persnickety about this video, but I'm very intrigued and very obsessed with trying to read the tea leaves on this. I want it just to be him saying, I'm going to be back and I'll be fine. I think that's what we take away from it.

Oh, yeah. There's no doubt in my mind. And I think we all expected it anyway. I think it would be huge news. Even a couple of weeks ago, I think the expectation was that he would be playing next week against Green Bay. And I think that everything has just been confirming that.

So that's exciting news for the Seahawks. I saw a headline, too, from 710 ESPN, which I didn't read all the way through. But it just said, even though the Seahawks are 3-5, they're far from out of the playoffs.

That's what I was saying.

That's what David was saying as we were schlepping my stuff into this apartment a week ago. I mean, obviously, it would seem like it would need to be by way of the wild card. Although, boy, did the Rams—I don't know if y'all caught that game last night, but I feel less and less bad about losing to the Titans with Derrick Henry. Like, the Henry-less Titans just went in and put a whooping on the Rams.

Also, the hapless Jags, who Geno Smith went out and completely blew out, went and very unconvincingly beat the Buffalo Bills, but still, they went and beat Buffalo. So this Sunday was a very odd day for just all across the NFL. I'm pretty happy that the Seahawks actually didn't play because I could see a world in which even if Russell did come back and the Hawks were supposed to win or something like that, that by some happenstance we would have ended up losing just because it was a very weird day in the NFL.

Well, let's talk about the Browns. here because that's what you guys are here to talk about. I'm actually just going to leave the room. I'm going to go make myself a cup of coffee and I'll just leave it to the two diehard Browns fans. How's everybody feeling

today? I'm glad that the Cleveland Browns won their football game yesterday. What about you, David?

Oh, I'm very glad. Very glad that the Bengals lost.

I'm going to come back and add a little spice to this. 41. Andrew, are you a little bit mad that I was so right about the Bengals? About the Bengals?

No, I'm not mad about that. About the fact that I won

$150 betting the Browns minus 10. I took the most extreme possible bet on how much the Browns were going to pwn the Bengals. I think you should keep

doing it. Like, for the rest of the season, you just have to make outrageous bets on the Browns, in the Browns favor, and that's what's going to get us through. I don't care how we got there. I do you know, it was, it did seem like a, it did, I don't know not to grab defeat from the jaws of victory, it seemed like a bit of a fluky game sort of because if you think about um the the beginning of the game essentially what you had was you know the defense sort of not looking that great as in the Bengals marched down the field twice and got into the red zone and one time scored but the before they scored what happened was the Browns intercepted and had Denzel Ward intercepted and had a 99 yard uh return for a pick six which was the most beautiful thing you could possibly imagine which actually puts the i said i told this in a in a weird backwards way but it put the browns up seven to nothing before it ties up again with the next uh with the next drive so it was weird it was weird and fluky but i would say that the huge difference between this game and we have to get into all the obj stuff the that happened you know this week off the field um and this is the first official browns game without obj as a player and there's so much to talk about there but really it seems like the the storyline of this game was the defense we suddenly have ward out there and it just looks like a

different team a different secondary right yeah you i mean i was listening to the game and it definitely sounded i mean i listened to the first half and then i was uh going to this trail race that becca did but um it sounded like the defense was really uh uh really stout and that's i guess the question is how much of that is uh the bungles and how much of that is the the defense but man you guys really put it all together yesterday also sounds like baker had a pretty good game

yeah yeah i mean i i kind of go opposite to to what you're saying andrew i think this this game itself is the sort of trend that i think this team is i think the the losses and the you know especially last week against Pittsburgh those were sort of the um the bucking the trend of what I think Cleveland really is which is incredibly strong on uh the defensive line and I do think that when Denzel Ward is playing the way he played yesterday that is like that is a serious uh pin in the entire defense of the Browns and uh Miles Garrett is fantastic I mean

Well, the thing is, if you're putting pressure on the quarterback, particularly like a young quarterback like Barrow, then you get him in a lot of bad situations, which then the secondary can kind of take advantage of, too.

Right. And I thought it was interesting that all of the Browns first round picks for the last like several years all performed very well. It was like Eternals. Nick Chubb. Yeah, exactly. But I think, you know, we see Nick Chubb doing another one of his sort of vintage 70 yard touchdown runs. I think that's the reason we didn't see that in weeks before was obviously because he was injured. But I think this is the Browns are getting back to what's making them great. And I think they are just sort of ascending. They're one of the ascending teams, whereas Cincinnati started hot. And I think they're sort of on the downslope. So I left the game very optimistic. But Andrew, where what was your sort of mindset during the game? Where were you? Where were you watching? Were you at the Westie?

No, it's funny. I was watching here at home. And Luke, close your ears because you don't like it when people are pessimistic. But I got to say, after this, I love it, dude. I'm laughing all the way to the bank, which is like the Steelers game kind of broke me last week because that I not only should that have been a win, considering where the Browns are supposed to be and where the Steelers seem to be this season. And the fact that that was, you know, at Cleveland and it was just the level of Cleveland's play that just seems so, so dispiriting. that for the first time this season I had that old brownsy feeling in my stomach where I was probably like you know like thinking not probably I was gonna say you probably wouldn't have want to been around me because I would have been saying stuff like oh man this is gonna be really hard when they blow this lead like it really felt like I was like oh great this is gonna be one of those painful losses after they rack up a bunch of points and they're going to lose it all in the fourth quarter i hadn't really felt like that all season i i believed in these browns all season and when they when they were in games in a good position to win i believed they were going to win i believed that all season until that well that i think i think i went into the chargers game that's not true okay there were two games there was the chargers games and the and the chiefs game where i thought they were going to lose but not in a demoralizing way just that they're going up against really good teams And both of those were losses, but they were, as I described them, good losses. My team played really well in both of those games. I was not demoralized by them. The Steelers game really got in my head. And so with this and going in against Cincinnati with Cincinnati's record in Cincinnati, I was like, no matter what the Browns do in the first half, they're going to blow it in the second half. And it's going to put me in a bad mood for the rest of the day until, you know, at some point in the third quarter, I think I started breathing again. And, you know, I would like to keep a more positive attitude going forward. But that is honestly where I was yesterday. And I was very I mean, when they finally put that nail in the coffin, you know, to get it, I think, 41, 41 points is what they ended up with. What did they hold the Bengals to 16 or 16? Yeah, I think so. Yeah. I mean, at some point I started feeling optimistic again.

Do you so do you think that that kind of cured you? Because like you just laid it out, but basically historically being a Browns fan is kind of like just wincing for the moment where they kind of screw it up. But then they've played pretty well the last few seasons to where you start to almost feel like a Seahawks fan used to feel, which is like they're going to do this. And you said yesterday or sorry, the Pittsburgh game tested your faith. Would you say that you're now back to believing in the Browns or I guess you won't know until the next game? You'll know it when you're feeling it, whichever way.

Yeah, I mean, the problem is the Ravens won again, and, of course, they're our divisional rival, and we still haven't – and they're really rolling now. They are – what week are we? They're 7-1. They've only lost one game is the point. And it feels so bad for Vikings fans again that the Ravens come back in overtime to win a game that they were trailing for a big part of it. And so we still have to face them twice. That is scary to me. But we faced New England before that. And I'm wondering, David, what are your thoughts on this New England game?

Is it in Foxborough?

I believe it's in Foxborough. Yeah, I can double check that, but I'm pretty sure it's a road.

I think it will be a low-scoring game that will come down to the dominance of Nick Chubb. And I think that's sort of a catch-all for a lot of Browns games because of how good he is and because of how good at run blocking the Cleveland offensive line is. But I don't feel like New England's offense has really any firepower. They've got Mack Jones as their quarterback who is...

Isn't he hurt? Or am I thinking of the guy on the Giants who's like...

Daniel Jones? Yeah, I always mix those two guys up.

One of them was not playing last week, and it literally looked like a 12-year-old child had been let onto an NFL team. Right.

I couldn't believe one of a Colt McCoy or something fold in for him. Maybe I'm not sure.

I assume so. But but but yeah, so I'm sorry I interrupted you. But you're saying that the the Patriots don't have a lot of offensive weaponry.

No. And yeah, I don't think they have the ability to put up a bunch of points, which I think is sort of a main downfall to the Browns schemes. uh that's why the Chiefs game and the Chargers game sort of ended the way they ended in the shootouts is because once the defense sort of got on their heels uh as far as passing goes it was hard for them to you know regain their footing and to get to the quarterback when Mahomes and Herbert were both getting the ball out so quickly um I don't think Mac Jones can do that really you know he is a rookie he's really he has been shaky at times especially when he's gotten a lot of pressure um and so if miles garrett who is you know on another career season um if he can step up and uh and get some pressure then i think i don't think the browns will have a problem shutting them down i do think the patriots defense has always been good this year's no exception um so it's going to be hard for baker to put together a bunch of points but um you know i think they will do enough i i don't think it'll be a necessarily a super pretty game uh but i think

the browns will come out i don't think the patriots are very good i mean basically the fact that they have five wins is purely because of belichick and schemes and because they've played the jets and right they play in yeah they play in a crappy division and also i think that belichick is a really good coach even though the narrative has become oh you know belichick needed brady more than brady needed belichick it's like well I'll see you next time.

What worked out for Tom Brady is he went to a team that was stacked. Right. Then they added a rapist, Antonio Brown, and a insurance pitchman, Rob Gronkowski.

In a division that has Drew Brees exiting and Matty Ice exiting. Right. So it's like they have a lot of opportunities.

I don't think it's as simple as like Belichick sucks. Tom Brady's the best. I think there's a lot of factors. I do think Belichick is pretty clever. Like the fact that he, I mean, if you were to look like up and down the lineup of the Patriots, I don't think there's a reason that team should be five and four. It's because of like good coaching is my feeling. So, but I, but I also, not that anyone asked me because I don't have a Browns sweater on, but I also, I think the Browns, I think the Browns can take them because, because again, I, the Browns are a much better team on paper in terms of just talent wise than the Patriots, this version of the Patriots is. But in Foxborough and anytime you go up against a Bill Belichick team, if he's just sending out high schoolers, if he's just sending out like, like, you know, like, I don't know whomever, the guy who's getting honored in the ring of honor that week, you know, it's like he'll send them out there and he'll just scheme it up in this way that they actually usually put up a pretty good battle.

Yeah, and you think of – and I don't really know what I'm talking about here, so either one of you feel free just to tell me I'm full of it. But you just think of a Cleveland Browns team as having a very specific personality, which is a run-first personality, right, David? And so when you have a team with such – when you're wearing your personality on your sleeve like that, it feels like going into – take it easy, Theo. It feels like going into the jaws of Belichick is Belichick can say, I'm a good enough coach to know how to defend against that. And he can just shut that down, which could force Baker to into a situation where he needs to use his arm more.

Although, again, his excuse me, his arm looked or sounded because I was listening on the radio pretty decent last week. Yeah. So so at least that's encouraging. Even though he's got like a fractured shoulder, he's somehow still making it work.

So. Oh, yeah. I think if Baker is forced to throw, I think he'll he'll be great. I mean, if it's a game where he has to end up throwing, you know, 40 times, I think the Browns will still win, and I think Baker will come out better for it. But I think for the Browns to do what they want to do, they want to run it a bunch and, you know, work off play action and stuff.

One quick correction, not that anybody really cares, but I was wrong about that. I thought Ravens were 7-1, but they're 6-2. Browns now 5-4. If the Ravens had lost yesterday, it would have been pretty sweet. You would have had the Ravens, Browns, and Bengals all with exactly five wins. And then the Steelers, who will play tonight against the Bears, go Bears. They're at 4-3 right now. So let's assume that—I don't know if we can assume this. I would assume that the Steelers and Bears are pretty well matched up here, both kind of struggling to middling teams this year.

Yeah, I think it's in Pittsburgh. So I think there's probably a pretty good chance that— And, you know, they have T.J. Watt on their defensive line. Pittsburgh does, and it's against Justin Fields. So it's—

T.J. Watt, I think, blocked over 30 passes against the Seahawks.

Yeah, it's going to be a rough going for that rookie quarterback. But you never know. I mean, the Bears also have a fantastic defense usually, so we'll see.

Maybe it'll be a Khalil Mack hero game.

So we'll see. I mean, okay, well, then if Steelers have the edge there, let's just predict the Steelers get a win today. That means that the Ravens are 6-2, And then everybody else in the division has five wins. So it's still, you know, it's still pretty bunched up there in the AFC North, as it is, I think, across the AFC writ large.

How are y'all feeling about the departure of OBJ? I mean, obviously, like if you went out, if you went out in Lake, if Baker threw. But let me just let me just propose a sort of counter, like, you know, counter factual universe or whatever. if if baker goes out yesterday and throws three picks and like hollywood higgins has two has like two critical drops and like you guys are you know like landry's just not having a good game would you be feeling different about i mean is your is your opinion of obj being gone influenced by the fact that y'all scored 41 points yesterday let me go first here because

again i'm going from gut and and david you're going from you you have brains and brawn in this so i'll trust your take better than mine but i will say from my perspective even if the browns go out there and lay an egg I would have been really really disappointed and worried about the the drama surrounding OBJ's departure hurting the team but not the lack of OBJ as being the problem there because he has not been a relief valve for us I don't think that's what I mean there but it's not like he has been making a bunch of good plays that that I would be missing I wouldn't have anything in my memory to point to except for like do you have one big play this

season david i don't know like a reverse or something like that that he got like 40 yards running on and then i think he's he's made some good catches certainly but But, yeah, I wouldn't connect the two is my issue. I wouldn't connect OBJ's departure to Baker, you know, laying a stinker. I would see them as separate things. And it would be statistically difficult for Baker to do poorly historically based on how much better he has done without OBJ on the field. So, like, the stats just sort of back up that OBJ was not going – the connection was not going to happen. And I don't know if that has to do with how Odell catches balls specifically and how he runs routes and how – and the sort of touch that Baker has on the ball because Baker, you know, supposedly throws a really, really fast ball that – And so I just don't think they were meant to really line up.

Let me just mention this.

Can I jump in, though? I want clarification on one thing specifically to what David said. Sorry, Luke. I just don't want to get too far away from it. David, when you say that if the Browns go out there and lay an egg, especially kind of the receiving core, you said you wouldn't have seen it as a connection to the loss of OBJ. But would you could you have potentially seen it as a connection to the drama surrounding the loss of OBJ and the idea that Stefanski and Baker might have been losing the locker room a little bit? Or is that just all talk radio bullshit?

It is talk radio bullshit. But that is I would maybe that that would be the connection I might make if I did make that connection is like the team itself. There's a weird energy in the team because of all the drama. But I don't know how much that actually translates into play. Once you're on the field, I don't think the drama really has a whole ton of difference.

Yeah, I think you're running routes. You're looking for the ball. You're high-pointing it. You're doing all the physical things.

You are very much present in that moment of scoring.

I would imagine. Sorry, this is completely out of the blue and not related to any of this. but speaking of being present what is with guys having mouth guards attached to their face mask but not in their mouth flopping around how is that not the most distracting thing when you're trying to play db in the league i understand not wanting to wear your mouth guard i understand having a mouth guard that's just in your mouth what i don't understand is a floppy attached mouth guard that you don't put in your mouth that can just like fly up and block your eyes i'm shocked that that's like there's like 50 of the dbs in this league do that a lot of players

do that and it doesn't it really doesn't make sense to me you said you understand people not having it in their mouth well i actually don't understand that i would like to not have my i guess i guess there's the argument of like if you're a play caller if you're like the captain on the defense and you need to be calling out schemes and stuff but you've been playing football for like 20 years at this point like learn how to shout and and articulate with a mouthpiece in

right right or do the russell thing where he just puts it in his helmet he does all his stuff and

like the last thing he does is he puts it in right it doesn't seem like that's occupying a ton of energy to make sure that you i'm sure there's a rule that you have to have it which is probably

why it's attached but again i'm just talking from a visual standpoint i don't understand how that thing flying around and hitting your own face mask is not distracting when you're trying to cover somebody but apparently it's not uh can i uh mention one thing about obj that i didn't realize this is the new york post so take it with a huge grain of salt but the new york post is saying that odell beckham jr's preferred team right now is the seahawks yeah yes that is what i've heard as well

think about what david just said about the the style of throw that uh baker mayfield does which has been problematic in the past in fact i i even remember our tight end in joku uh kind of pissing and moaning about this a couple of seasons ago when Baker was new. He's like, he throws the ball too hard. I can't catch it, which is just not a great look in Joku. And I really like him, by the way. He had a huge play this weekend. But all of that is to say, but think about the way Russell throws the ball. Yeah. Sound like, you know, just like, yeah, just like that lofty throw that's up there that can kind of come down at the right angle. I mean, that seems like a pretty good matchup. And I don't worry about OBJ being like a poison. I do believe that people can be a poison in a locker room. But, I mean, I think that the Seahawks have brought in quasi-poisonous people before. And for the most part, they can handle it. I don't think that that's a bad match at all.

Here's my question. Can OBJ play safety? Because Lord knows Jamal Adams can't.

John Johnson can. I was thinking about you guys this week, and we had this player, John Johnson, who was just like, this is what you guys want to see out of Jamal.

I know. So I think I would obviously like if you have a chance to have the talent of Odell Beckham Jr. on your team, like if you're the Seahawks, obviously the Browns thing didn't work.

out i can't see a downside to it if you pick him up uh you know for at least the rest of this season and it's like ob here's the thing obj is problematic but it's just like bad teammate stuff right it's not like antonio brown exactly which is like you should be incarcerated problematic

this is just kind of like it's like des bryant like i want the ball i want the ball like right

stop fighting with kicking nets on the side of the field kind of problematic so i mean the thing that's interesting is i don't i feel like tyler lockett has been so good this year and so has dk when they've targeted him it doesn't feel like we're even like freddie swain has had some some decent catches i think it would just add another dimension i mean it would be a pretty crazy narrative arc for the seahawks this year if they play pretty bad at the beginning of the season lose russell wilson for three games pick up obj and then just run the table in the west that would be not how i expected the season to go i'd be uh and i'm not saying that's going to happen but it's it's certainly intriguing um as an idea i would like to just to see it just for

i would like to see them practice together you know what i mean i bet you i would love to see

that as a successful connection i also feel like i saw something the other day that indicated that chris carson might actually be back did i am i misremember mr is he out for the season now i

I didn't think it was the season, but I thought there were still a few more weeks on the timeline. I'm not sure, though. I haven't looked into that.

Alex Collins has looked okay to me, by the way. If they give him some blocking, I actually don't mind Alex Collins back there for what that's worth.

I mean, remember, he did have a really good season with the Ravens during Lamar Jackson's first season. So I think Alex Collins has the ability to run well, but I think we just have to do some better play calling.

Homer, too. What do you guys think of Homer? I always have a good feeling about Homer, but he doesn't get a lot of touches.

Yeah, I'm always calling it for a Travis Homer hero game, and it never quite comes together. But I think he's got some flash.

Yeah, give him some space. Get him a little screen pass out there.

Um, so I guess the, the, the, the sort of big story about next week for the Seahawks is this like the sort of Aaron Rodgers situation. Right. Uh, because, and I don't follow the like NFL scuttlebutt closely enough to know if there's any realistic possibility of him, of him actually being further punished. I think he's, he, he's not even being punished. He's just being held out because of the protocols. Right. I don't know. Does the NFL have a, like, what's the suspension for sort of intentionally misleading people? like what's the what's Goodell got on that one I don't know I mean my guess is he'll be back

playing against the Seahawks yeah I would imagine it wouldn't just be I mean it wouldn't just be the subtly misleading I mean he would he did break protocol like there are they have COVID protocol that you have to follow if you're unvaccinated and he did not follow it you know what I mean

from press and I'm not even trying nobody asked him for the vax card right we talked about this on TBTL today but like that's what I don't understand I know I gotta show that at a beer garden but aaron rogers doesn't have to show it to get in the facility at like you would just think you can say immunized all you want but there's going to be some person who's not popular at the team somebody who works for the packers organization whose job it is to make people like aaron rogers show him a three by five card with visor written on it right you would think they

would just have it filed where all the other system were filed so i mean i don't know if i i

I can't decide what I would like to see more. Him punished and not play against the Seahawks or him playing against the Seahawks and have a lousy game.

Yeah, yeah. Sorry to interrupt. I just wanted to get a joke in to say they almost should have double-checked it. Oh, sorry. Discount double-check. Just talk right over you for a lame-ass joke. No, but Luke, that feeling that you have, I think I get that sometimes a lot with teams that I especially have a rivalry with. Like, it would be so great, for example, for the Browns to beat Lamar Jackson, not the Lamar Jackson-less Ravens. Not that he's hurt or anything. I'm just saying that, like, you want to see a good win like that. On the other hand, you also just take the W when you're still trying to get into the playoffs.

I don't have actually, weirdly enough, I don't have as much tied up in who's on the team when we beat them. Like, I'm just, I'm pissed, although they got their butts whooped. But I was just, like, annoyed that the Rams got to play the Titans without Derrick Henry. I'm like, oh, cool. We had to play them when he was just, like, steamrolling us. And then you guys, again, it didn't work out for the Rams. But I'll take a W under any circumstances. So my preference right now would be Aaron Rodgers doesn't play because I think it improves our chances of winning. But if he does play, I would – I mean, the problem is Aaron Rodgers feels to me like the kind of quarterback who gives the Seahawks a lot of problems. Because he's mobile, he makes plays happen He's got a good arm I mean, I don't like him I've officially gone over to

the side of deeply anti-aaron rogers after this and i'll just say this too i think this came up on friday on tbtl but i am i am personally surprised pleasantly so at how much this has reverberated you had terry bradshaw just roasting on sunday like saying like i mean also he called him a liar straight up yes also terry bradshaw is very pro vax which put that in the put that in the pro column yeah i love it i didn't see it coming but i love it um but but you know like i'm i'm pleasantly surprised at how absolutely furious a lot of the media is and the league is at him for doing this because i just thought it was gonna be one of those things that was just like swept under the rug or seen as like uh you know we can't we like somebody telling terry bradshaw you can't get mad at aaron rogers because you're being effectively pro vaccine and we don't want to alienate half of our nfl viewers who are suspicious of the vax or whatever but no this this is a real stain on the dude and i'm loving that that at least there's the reputational damage that this

has come with well and it feels like so much more of it is is in uh besides him not getting vaccinated it was him lying you know like you you have you have kurt cousins who you know has been very vocal that he is not vaccinated but he's taking all of the NFL's precautions and protocols in order to not get um fined and not get you know suspended for what he does and and I think Lamar Jackson isn't uh vaccinated either nor is Carson Wentz but all of them were very upfront about it and when when you say oh yeah I have been immunized yes and then it turns out that you were not uh from a scientific standpoint immunized at all right um then you know i i do like to see those consequences for just being a flat-out liar about the safety of right all of your teammates i mean i would hope that more teammates would be coming out and being

like that seemed kind of shady but i guess right because like you know it's you're you're a moron but at least you have some integrity if you're like i'm not going to get the vax right like at

least you're being honest i mean you're allowed to have your own reasons the shadiest thing you

can do is basically lie about being vaxxed like that's that's almost like if you were in a relationship with someone like a romantic relationship and they lied about being vaxxed that would be a deal breaker that's like one of the most fun fundamental like trust violations that can exist in 2021 yes you know absolutely um so anyway i guess the back to the original

question uh that game's in green bay isn't it yeah it is again i think i said this last week but

perfect rehabbing your finger weather yeah yeah yeah you know just just 27 degrees actually we're not luckily it's earlier in the season if it were january we'd have real problems but maybe we'll get lucky and there'll be a warm day i'm just so worried about russell's hand i'm just like yeah I was just like, nobody touch his hand, please. No high fives. No, like, just no bumping into it. I know.

Anytime it's like he's back so much faster than we assume, it's like, well, he's not going to be really fast.

It's like the vaccine. There hasn't been enough testing. This is why I'm personally, this is why I've only been immunized. You and your best bud Joe Rogan. This is, we've been immunized. No, but I am, I am worried. I am worried about him rushing that finger back. Like if if if like an extra week would have like I mean, again, there are people that are professionals that are studying this and they know. I mean, this guy is still the franchise. Do we think, though, that the Seahawks can beat the Green Bay Packers who are have a pretty good record and they will likely have Aaron Rodgers and they're at home? And it's like Russell is, you know, has been off for a few weeks. It doesn't feel ideal.

it's it's this connection it's this like collision of russell wilson comeback game and now aaron rogers comeback and it's like i tend to feel like rogers will come out on i'm a bit worried at home

but let me put in a like a one last thing which makes no sense but it will drive my betting patterns for that game sometimes when things like if you told me that tennis if you said okay Tennessee is going into SoFi Stadium minus Derrick Henry what are their chances of beating the Rams who just picked up Von Miller granted Von Miller didn't play but still I would be like there's not a chance in hell the NFL is weird though in that there are games Jacksonville playing Buffalo not a chance in hell sometimes when things don't look ideal for a team for whatever reason just things break their way so based on that theory maybe the Seahawks have a chance um but uh but but I don't know i mean again aaron rogers not injured coming back versus russell wilson injured coming back in green bay with all of the other things being what they are it feels i mean are they going to flex that game by the way that should

be a sunday night game that would be a really interesting one meanwhile the seahawks just had like three just shit sandwiches yeah of primetime games where peace and love gino but it was like just horrible games where we lost and looked lousy mostly and then like russell comes back against aaron rogers and they're like oh that'll be a uh 10 30 start yeah yeah i was kind of

thinking that i just looking down at my schedule wondering if because even before all the drama of the season a Seahawks um a Seahawks Green Bay matchup like that is always kind of exciting and you always see sparks I was thinking about this because you were asking Luke you know predictions what do we think is going to happen there and the thing is like logically Green Bay has the edge I think it has several edges but like I just I mean I don't know there's just something about the Seahawks where I prefer to be just just completely recklessly optimistic especially with this matchup i just think these matchups specifically between green bay and seattle uh especially if it ends up being a nationally broadcast game which this one is not weird things always happen and seattle often ends up on top and i do think it'll be a memorable game yeah if we were in a lumen

field i would feel a lot better because that's really that's the place where the packers just seem to get regularly jobbed by the fail mary and such things meanwhile when we go to lambo we have things like matt hasselbeck saying we're gonna take the ball and we're gonna win and then throwing a pick six in overtime so uh and also you know the packers of course famously lost that nfc championship game that we had a one percent chance of coming back on um that that one year in in lumen back then the clink so i don't know it'll be you know i'll just say this considering how lost this season felt when Russell Wilson went down, the fact that this game against Green Bay is actually intriguing and there's still something on the line, I'm going to take that as a that's kind of a little bit of gravy, because I had really just figured there's just no way the Seahawks are going to be relevant for the rest of the year without Russell. And here we are. We're, you know, kind

of relevant. Speaking of irrelevant, I am irrelevant. I didn't know that Von Miller is a Ram now. Why did he go to the rams because i don't want him to be a ram oh uh really you don't want to you don't want

russell trying to elude aaron donald and vaughn freaking miller nobody even rams he will likely

only be with the rams for this season probably because the rams have so many other contracts they have to figure out um so he's basically just a rental the rams are banking on the fact that they will make the Super Bowl this year which yeah I mean I wouldn't I mean they didn't look

great last night you know what was interesting was Stafford looked so bad yeah he looked exceptionally bad I didn't realize Stafford has been playing for 13 seasons that's not like young that puts him in his kind of early mid-30s he just had a lot of lost seasons up there in Detroit but like he I think that what I think and I don't know if the Seahawks have the ability to do this but Tennessee really kind of put out the template or the blueprint for how you beat the rams i think which is you get pressure on stafford right you know because he's he's not which which

was the blueprint to beat them when they had jared goff as well like i don't think the rams would have any more or less wins if they still had jared goff i think this whole matt stafford thing is hilarious because they they already made it to the like they were within plays of winning and going on to the nfc championship game last season and they had jared goof and now jared goof's not good enough for them and they have to go offload a bunch more money on matt stafford it's just it's funny and it seems like sort of like grasping at straws for uh mcveigh when they're competitive

every season that he's been the coach yeah i mean they're seven and two right now yeah he keeps

trying to get that little yeah bit to get them over the edge and it's they're they just they

can't quite get there i i guess i'm just thinking if the seahawks have a chance uh the next time they play the Rams it's going to have to be somehow and I don't know how we do it because obviously I think the Jamal Adams experiment has kind of failed get pressure on Stafford

what are you gonna say Andrew I was just kind of curious I shouldn't have interrupted because this is kind of irrelevant to our interests but well what's going on with the Broncos why did they

decide to to trade him away well the Broncos are having another lost season again peace and love to our tenverites but they're just not a good team and probably uh i don't know i don't know off the top of my head but it probably had to do with some cap space and saving money and realizing we're not going to win enough games with von miller to to justify the downside of keeping him

yes yeah he asked for a release there and they're offloading so that they have more cap space so that next season the the rumors are they want to sign aaron rogers because in the

Again, I'm just doing kind of like, obviously, I'm not adding any context to this, but I'm just looking at the Broncos. They're 5-4, which is not great, and I know they've been struggling,

but so are the Browns. You know what? 5-4 is a lot better than I thought they were. Well, their division is all basically 5-4 right now.

Everybody in their division has won five games, which means, again, the AFC is all bunched up, but they're still in it as much as, again, as much as literally anybody in my division.

Well, you know what? I mean, I take that back. I am sorry to our listeners in Denver that I called it another lost season. That was my relying on the historical record of the last, like, six, seven years where the Broncos have had a really hard time, you know, being competitive. I would take it if the Seahawks were five and four. So back to the original question, Andrew. I don't know why they would build on Miller. Except, again, it's a strategic move in order to try to—they probably feel like they're five and four but still not going to go to the Super Bowl this year. Right. And they want to go to the Super Bowl in the next few years, and so this is a necessary evil would be what I thought.

Yeah, that's interesting. Yeah, it seems like everybody in the AFC is 5 and 4 right now. This is going to be interesting.

I want to see. I'm trying to look at what my schedule is like this coming week. Oh, yeah. Are you kidding me? Sunday? Fun day. I have a Portland Book Festival event on Friday night. I have a live Livewire on Saturday night. Oh. So it's a lot. Yeah, by the way. Yeah, I work Saturday morning You and Alicia, come on by Also listeners, you want to come? Gary Steingart will be there Otsuko Okotsuka, it'll be the low pair A great band Anyway, here's my point That Sunday If Sunday night, if the Browns have won And somehow the Seahawks have won In Green Bay Your boy, Luke Having survived another gauntlet Of work stuff that stresses me out And the Seahawks are 4-5 are the gaudy 4-5 Russell Wilson hero return game. I will be so stoked. I mean, there's a different version of events. It's also very possible where we don't win, but I'm excited. I'm excited for next week. Either way, 10 a.m. dial up on Monday. I'm marking it down. Yes, you're right. We drink because we're happy or we drink because we're sad. But either way, let's dial at 10 on Monday. That's great. I can absolutely do that. All right. That seems like a decent place to leave this. Davey, thanks for coming over, man Yeah, absolutely Always good to see you Andrew, thank you as well, my friend I guess we'll be back on Monday And we'll know a lot more About both of these teams Come Monday So we'll see you then Until then, thanks for listening to The No Point Don't forget that when we're talking about Us talking sports There is absolutely no detail too wrong

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