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I don't know if people are going to be okay with us not using K-Dude and Lil' Hoagie.

I feel like probably the main appeal of the No Point Conversion is that song at this point.

Maybe there's some new appeal in town. I mean, you can't argue with this. Let's get to the chorus here. You did something perfectly, though, Luke. You're unfamiliar with this song, but you did talk right over the part where they give some details. of the season that this song was attached to, which I believe might have been, I don't know, 1987. This is a band called Boku, which was a Cleveland band. Apparently, this is a Browns reworking of an existing song they already had. According to some YouTube commenters, this one is better than the original, though.

You know, I do think that the NFL keeps, by the way, welcome to the No Point Conversion, I'm Luke Burbank. everyone. That's Andrew Walsh. I do think the NFL keeps kind of too tight of a grip on people using the word Super Bowl. But I do think in this case they should have stopped him from saying Super Bowl.

I do think that hurt the brand. You think it hurt the Super Bowl brand? I don't know. Well, I mean, the Browns have made it to, well, let's see how many Super Bowls. Oh, none.

Is that they have not been to the Super Bowl?

The Browns have never been to a Super Bowl. I'm not funnin'. They had, you know, they were very successful before the two conferences merged to create the NFL. So they had some like titles from back, like national titles from back in the day, but they were not Super Bowls. The Browns have never, they not have only have never won a Super Bowl. They've never made it to, I'm going to say it, Luke, the big dance.

Have they, are they the only, this is not where I want to start the conversation on the day after what I would imagine is a very frustrating outcome for you because of how close the Browns were and also how they were deprived of a frigging touchdown. But is that unique to the Browns? Are there any other NFL teams that have literally never been to a Super Bowl?

I feel like I'm Googling it now. You can probably hear me typing. I feel like there must be some newer teams. Let's see here. This is an article from I don't know how long ago it says the Browns, Lions, Jaguars and Texans.

So they're definitely of like the kind of original teams of the long standing teams. They're they're kind of unique in that they haven't been to a Super Bowl.

Well, I guess the Lions have probably been around for a while, right? Yeah, no, you're right.

The Lions are one of the OG teams as well.

Yeah, Lions, but then the Jags and the Texans, those are the new kind of expansion-y teams. And, of course, don't forget the Browns as they exist now. I have to always remind myself we're also technically an expansion team. Just something to remind ourselves of.

Well, sadly, this will be another year that they don't go to the Super Bowl because, of course, they lost yesterday to the Chiefs. How are you feeling, by the way? Let me just start there. How are you doing?

I mean, you know, it's been 24 hours almost since the loss. I'm fine. It was a bummer. You know, as I said, I was just so full of joy last week. I couldn't believe that they even made it past the wild card round. So everything was gravy. Making it to the playoffs was gravy. So I don't want to lose sight of that. That was all very exciting. As I texted my dad last night, you know, it was very disappointing. It ended up being a disappointing loss. I think maybe even for me, for reasons different than what you're focusing on, but which we'll get into in a second. But I will say, you know, I can't help but be thankful for what was clearly the best, most fun Cleveland Brown season of my lifetime. So, you know, that I watched every snap of and for them to make it this far and to still have a bright future with with an amazing coach and a quarterback that's coming into his own with that relationship with the coach. Like, there's a lot to be excited about and a lot to be happy about this season. But yesterday's loss hit me harder than I thought it was going to because, you know, it's the Chiefs. The Chiefs are amazing. And I didn't expect the Browns to beat the Chiefs. I also like the Chiefs. You know, it's not like I thought we were going to lose to the Steelers. I thought that was a foregone conclusion. And I also hate the Steelers, you know. But it was like, hey, we're going to lose to the Chiefs. But, like, the Chiefs are going to have a great year. And Mahomes is going to go to the Super Bowl and blah, blah, blah. and it's okay to lose to them i was really bummed that turns out they had some opportunities to win this game and they kind of blew them i feel like in the fourth quarter and as you said also kind of had a touchdown kind of stolen from them earlier on um so you know it was it was a bummer that they couldn't pull it out when they really needed to um But as many judges have told defendants, stop pulling it out when you need to.

That's right. There was some real, let's see, where do we start with this? I felt like the first half was kind of interesting because the announcers kept talking about, like, it's all chiefs. And I thought, is it? I mean, they're up, but, like, if not for that pick six. Wait, there was a pick six, right? Yes, there was. If not for that pick six, it would have been a very different game at half, and I think the narrative would have been different. It would have been, wow, the Browns are really hanging in.

You know what, I'm sorry, can I interrupt for a second? The Browns did not throw a pick six. Browns threw a pick and ended up held the Chiefs to not scoring anything on that. In fact, I believe that went to an unsuccessful field goal attempt, a doinker, which really made my day. I was like, wow, they gave up the ball, but the defense didn't give up on it, They got zero points from that turnover

And that was the beginning of the second half There was something that happened Now, of course, I'm forgetting Because it was over 12 hours ago So my brain can't hold on to that kind of information There was basically I felt like the first half was misleading Because everything had broken the Chiefs' way The Browns had been fairly unlucky And I didn't feel like the Chiefs were running away with it Like, I felt like I felt the Browns were actually You know, I think it was a two-score game Going into the half And it just didn't feel like a route to me even though the score on the scoreboard was not great for the Browns, I felt like they still had some life. Then when they threw that pick in the third quarter, I was like, okay, now they're hosed. And you're right, they managed to turn them back. And I thought acquitted themselves very well as a team, with the exception of some questionable timeout. It was some real Pete Carroll clock management going on. Like the timeout that was called so that they could come out and run a negative one-yard play, and then I believe an incompletion after that was pretty devastating. Also, it was a bad challenge by Stefanski. I'm not trying to drag your guy.

I got to say, in the moment, I thought it was a good challenge until they immediately replayed it, and I was like, oh, no. I like it first. I'll give him credit for that. Although people were like, don't listen to your players when they say to throw the challenge flag. Use your eyes on the people up in the booth.

I mean, that was a ridiculous catch by Hill that defied physics. so I understand how you would think that it hit the ground but what I would say there is call a time out like waste a time out which of course is like the bane of my existence in terms of being a Seahawks fan and Pete Carroll but I would say you burn a time out there so you can just watch it again and then you decide if you want to throw the challenge because once you use a challenge and it's unsuccessful you don't have that challenge anymore

yes although they didn't run out of challenges they would have had you have two challenges per half right And if your challenge is unsuccessful, then they charge you a timeout. So in that case, the thing they lost there was a timeout. So whether they call a timeout and then a challenge or a challenge.

Two things they wouldn't be able to.

Right, but they didn't run out of challenges.

Is there a rule that if you call timeout and then a play is overturned, you get the timeout back? There's some part of that that I don't fully remember. But there's there. Anyway, I just still thought that that was unfortunate that they just threw the challenge flag so quickly without watching at least a replay of it. But anyway, so that wasn't the super greatest. But but generally speaking, I really thought that they played pretty well. And I would be very excited if I were you going into next season.

Yeah, I am. And, you know, here's the deal. I think a lot of people and you definitely in our text chains and you just alluded to it now are really pointing to the touchdown that felt like it was stolen because of a series of events that happened. It was Higgins, Hollywood Higgins. What's his real name? Does he have a first real name or is he just Hollywood Higgins? I can't think of it right now, but receiver. Santa Monica. That's right. Burbank Higgins had an amazing catch and and run that went almost all the way to the touch to the touchdown to the end zone. And then he stretches out at the very end and the defender comes in whose name I'm forgetting right now. Maybe, you know, but does I think it might have been Sorenson? Was that who did the hit? maybe i can't say for sure um but comes in and does a clear targeting helmet to helmet uh that that is an illegal hit that also forces higgins to drop the ball right moments before it goes into the end zone and then it fumbles into the end zone and then out of the end zone which then results in a touchback uh and of course turning over the ball to the chiefs which is you know a lot of things were happening there people i mean and not even browns fans just it seemed like almost everybody on Twitter except for Danny O'Neill were saying this is a terrible touchback fumble rule. We should get rid of it. saying that no Danny O'Neill thinks it's we can look up his tweets later we can make the argument that he he was making for why he thinks it's an equitable rule but people hate the rule but also the fact that it's unreviewable that it was a clear helmet to helmet hit that was not called when the NFL claims to be so careful about these things and I've watched my teams get dinged so many times for much less egregious offenses personal fouls like that and for that for that to affect the game so much um with two sort of unforgivable things in a row there is frustrating but to me that's not the focus of the game that's not why the Browns lost the game I think the

Browns had other opportunities to win it that play I thought was so it was it was like multiple levels of frustration there as a Browns fan which was number one the reason he fumbled the ball was because of an illegal play it isn't like you know what I mean like he would not have fumbled that ball if that guy would have just tackled him like I think he was probably you know concussed in such a way I mean I know he wasn't officially diagnosed with a concussion but like I think he doesn't fumble that ball if it's not helmet to helmet so by to me by definition the illegal element of that play was why he fumbled it so that's frustrating it's frustrating it's not reviewable as I wrote in our text chain that's the electoral college of football rules like it makes no sense there's no logical defense of it why would you not be able to review a play like that like it's just silly they've arbitrarily i guess they think if we can review every play we'll be here for too long but like that just should be reviewable because it was very clear what happened then also i do think that that fumbling out of the back of the end zone or into the end zone is a bs it should not be i don't know what danny's argument is but to me it should be the offense's ball in the one yard line if the defense doesn't touch it because if the offense fumbles the ball out of bounds at the two it's their ball at the two what fundamentally changes about the goal line right exactly like why

like the the other team didn't um recover the ball um but again and i don't have danny's tweet in front of me right now uh but i think that it was something about like their hat you have to have some sort of a rule in the end zone where you're even more careful with the ball uh especially since the game is is designed to have them do these like kind of stretch moves to get the ball into the end zone and so he feels like it should be a very high risk thing to do that's my understanding of the tweet that I read in the moment while I was watching the Browns game so

you know it's been it's I mean I guess there's a little bit to that which is but see I it also feels to me like it's a relatively unusual play like it doesn't happen that often you can remember the like three times it's happened to the Seahawks probably you know like in other words I don't think that you I I get the idea of trying to make it so that if someone's gonna like stretch for the goal line they know that like the it's it's a big play and and the downside is pretty huge but it just usually what happens is if you were to fumble it then the defense would just or the offense would just recover the ball like it's rare that it goes untouched through the end zone like that

yeah I mean and it doesn't um and and also like one person said well what about not giving it Let's say the team fumbles and it goes through the end zone like that. OK, you're not comfortable giving it to him right back at the one yard line. What if you just make it a 20 yard, put it at the 20 yard line, but the fumbling team still gets to keep the ball? There might be for those who feel like, oh, just handing it over at the one yard line isn't the right idea either. Like there are other things that, you know, other solutions to this issue. But but yeah, no, I mean, that was frustrating to me, though. My huge here. Oh, here's Danny's tweet. as I stalled long enough. There should be a huge downside to fumbling into the end zone. I already think it's lame that you can score just by poking the football through an invisible plane. Now you want to nullify one of the only negative consequences for that thrill-seeking behavior. That is what Danny O'Neill says. I don't agree with that, by the way. I just had referenced it, so I wanted to read it directly.

What would the alternative be, I guess? If it wasn't the ball breaking the plane of the goal line, I guess it would be you have to get a foot in?

Yeah, or a part of your body. Yeah, I don't know. Yeah, I don't I don't agree with that. I think it's a bad rule. Here's the deal, though. And I don't remember exactly that happened in the first that happened in the in the first half, I believe, in the second quarter. Is that your memory of that as well? Not to put you on the spot, but I'll make my point. This particular play.

yeah maybe that's was that why I was thinking at halftime yeah if that play goes through if they don't basically take that touchdown off the board uh then it would be a very different game at half

so it must have been in the second quarter yeah and and here's the deal I'm not saying what I'm going to say here makes tons of sense but you know if you'll allow me the grace just to poop on my own reputation here that's one of those plays that happens in a part of the game while Mahomes we didn't even mention for those who didn't watch the game i mean a huge thing that could have turned this game around was patrick mahomes the star quarterback for the chiefs ended up

being pulled out of the game because he got a concussion or at least entered concussion protocol, which is a bummer. You don't want to see that happen to anybody. And honestly, even as much as I wanted to beat the Chiefs, you don't want to beat the Chiefs in that way. You just don't. He is a young, exciting quarterback who I have so much respect for. You know, it's just like if the Browns knocked Roethlisberger out of the game, great, fine. You know what I mean? Like you took out an old tank, good, a terrible, terrible tank who does terrible things. But you don't want to see that happen to Patrick Mahomes. But it does happen to Patrick Mahomes, and it was a clean hit. And so he leaves the game and leaves the game in the hands of, you know, a quarterback who I don't know what Henny's history of playing time had been. But let's just say he's no Patrick Mahomes. And that's where the Browns really could have taken advantage and in some cases did take advantage. Like the Browns getting an interception in their own end zone Right when it felt like it was going to happen Like I'm not joking I predicted that And I texted you guys like I predicted that But you shouldn't believe me because why would you But I did I told these I'm like This backup quarterback Hennie He kind of got into a bit of a role On this drive and I was like He's feeling himself He can do something sloppy and stupid And rookie here and he did He threw a pass to a Brownsman He's also 35 but yes

Oh is he really 35 He's roughly our age But definitely like you could feel that play coming because, yeah, for the reasons you're saying.

Yeah. And so he throws this interception that I saw coming and the Browns get possession during the fourth quarter in a time where it's like, wow, the Browns are within five points of this game. If they can just get because before that interception even happened, my brain starts going into that classic. What are the steps that can happen here in order for us to win? Because there was still plenty of time on the clock. Like it was almost perfect. I think we're under four minutes at this point. If he screws up and throws an interception and the offense can just come in and score a touchdown and the defense just does their job, like, in this amount of time, it's very doable. To me, like, that's where we lost it. We lost it by not taking advantage of that interception. That interception ended in a punt, I believe, and then our defense couldn't hold their backup quarterback to not scoring again. or I'm sorry not getting the final first down in the last couple of minutes of the game that has sealed the game for them like that is a that's an offensive failure and a defensive failure when it really meant the game it was very winnable in the fourth quarter even more than it was in the end of the second quarter if that makes sense the other play happened so much earlier in the game that it's hard to say the the the series of events that happen after that for me to draw up the entire

alternative history if that makes sense sure but they did lose by five and that would have been seven points so i'm i remain frustrated on your behalf for that but yeah they definitely missed an opportunity with you know you lose my homes for the last quarter and a half of the game or whatever it was and i mean i just thought that they just needed to be blitzing the shit out of henny i don't know why they were not um or maybe they were and it wasn't effective but like i feel like you just yeah you need to like make like dare him to throw the ball i kept saying to david like dare him to throw the ball like sell out single go in single coverage and make him throw the ball because bad things are going to happen like um and i didn't think that they took full advantage of that opportunity at all and the mahomes injury was so weird because he clearly was concussed when he got up but i know he was never hit in the head that i could see it was weird he kind of got he was sort of half strangled but it was it was a strange thing because i didn't see

any contact with his helmet yeah me neither although it could have been like more of a neck thing i'm not sure i'm not sure is he definitely concussed or is concussion protocol a fear of a concussion because i mean something definitely happened to him that made him you know like you say like wobbly getting up it almost seemed like he i don't know this for sure but he almost seemed to go a little bit limp in the moment um but his neck was kind of twisted in this kind of funny way as he is hitting the ground so i'm not exactly sure what happened there i believe the announcement

that they made was he's not coming back to the game and the only reason i think because of concussion protocol because if he was weird because when he ran to the locker room he looked fine he actually looked better than he had on the field because you know he kind of had a bad foot too and he was limping around and then when he was running the locker room he looked totally fine my guess was and i don't think that so i i think it was concussion or at least you know fear of a concussion because that's the only thing that that can actively like they will literally not let you back in the game yeah and it's not even up to like you the player or the coaching staff

yeah no i know he was in concussion protocol that was the official that was the official um you know kind of diagnosis or reason why he wasn't returning but like i haven't followed the news today so i don't know if it was actually a concussion or how that works but and i will

just say this other thing too like I was a little bit even though again I entered this game thinking well you know they're not going to win they're going to lose to the Chiefs but like let's stay in there I mean they did stay in there but like I was also really confounded at the play calling in the first half of the game I don't know if David was saying this too I wasn't really I wasn't really following too much what people were saying about it but it just seemed insane that they kept on throwing the ball to Chubb and he kept dropping it and they weren't handing it off to him and hunt didn't i don't even think hunt touched the ball touches in the first half like why i do not understand it and then and listen i saw a couple of attempts that were shut down but you're going to have that like of course they're expecting the the running offense but like it just did not make sense to me how little they took advantage that they tried to use chunt in the first half of the game um except for throwing it at least three times unsuccessfully to chubb But, like, here's an idea. He's a running back. Maybe do this thing where you hand him the football and you don't require him to catch it because that's not his damn job. Well, it's part of his job. Yeah, definitely.

It's one of the rare times where, you know, everybody loves watching, you know, passing plays. They're beautiful and artistic. But this would be one of the few times where I'm like, you just need to run the ball more. Like, you need to hand it off on first down pretty much all the time because you're going to get four yards, and you're going to make the second down and the third down more manageable. Yeah. And I didn't know why they weren't doing that. Some of it probably has to do with the fact that I think NFL offenses are now so malleable so that you're constantly just reacting to what the defense is doing. So you go up there and then where, I mean, this is how the Chiefs ended up getting over on the Browns was the same thing. Like, oh, this side of the line is overloaded. Now we're going to go this way with it. so it probably could be a thing too where baker's getting up there and it's like the defense is basically in a certain position that just makes it so that he you know audibles or is going to try to do that dump off play to chubb because it's what the defense is giving him but even so they needed to like somebody needed to say like we got to utilize kareem hunt much more in the

first half yes yeah and then in the second half we saw they brought hunt in more there and then they started doing more traditional running plays and they worked and like you said almost always you could count on four runs here and a lot more in other cases too so i think you get that run game going more against mahomes in the first half and in the last two like kind of drives of the game both on offense and defense your team doesn't give up you can get those seven points maybe not easily but those were those were baker's points to have and certainly the defense should have stopped henny and gotten the ball back into baker's hands for a final drive so those are those are the things that will live with me in that game even more than that that bullshit non-call and the bad rule about the fumble and I'm not saying I'm right for those feelings but it's like

these other things were in our control um do you think that the it were the Browns to have won do you think that they would have then gone to the Super Bowl

you know no I would have been I mean this conversation I can't even think about what this conversation would be like today right no they'd be playing um the bills oh yeah sorry um yeah the bills look tough right now the bills look tough i watched that game that was the game with the amazing pick six and of course i root against all peace and love to our ravens fans um some of whom are close to my heart but i still hate the ravens aside from the ravens though and even them with lamar jackson my hatred of them has softened a little bit and so i felt like you had a very lovable AFC class and the NFC class because they're a bunch of dinosaurs who I don't like for all my various hangups I hate but like the AFC this weekend by the way I'm with you on hating Aaron Rodgers now peace and love oh good let's go I'd love to sink into that in a second but I just want to say that like yeah like if the Browns went and lost to Josh Allen and and the Giants I'd still be you know that would still be gravy and again losing to a team that is a very lovable team who are now getting their moment in the spotlight much deserved I mean I am I am definitely

rooting from the for the bills here on out yeah the bills look really good right now um that that 101 yard interception was wild you saw him almost take a knee yes and then think better of it and then i do think that they misdescribed it in the broadcast they said he outran lamar jackson he didn't outrun lamar jackson somebody was blocking lamar jackson but still it's i mean it's crazily impressive it was amazing yeah that was a really really incredible play um but oh yeah uh Aaron Rogers I remember I mentioned last week that he had he was on the Pat McAfee show which is like a serious satellite uh sports show and he was mentioning that he was going to guest host Jeopardy or whatever I guess I don't know if he's on that show every week or if this was all in the same interview but he mentioned that he like basically the headline I saw was like Aaron Rogers claps back at government non-response to restaurants.

problems with covid or something and first of all what he actually said to pat mcafee was very like meandering and didn't have a point like it was but what he what he did say in that was that he's donating a bunch of money to this barstool sports fund yeah and i thought oh maybe it's just something called barstool because like people sit on barstools and they watch games and maybe that could just be unrelated but no and he mentioned name checks this guy dave portnoy who's a horrible human terrible like just a super toxic environment barstools which is like it's like the worst uh you know it's the worst elements of sports fandom as it pertains to so-called masculinity etc anyway the fact that he's donating money and he loves dave portnoy it's just like gross dude yeah

no i'm glad you brought that up because i somebody i think maybe tweeted at me or i saw an online conversation somewhere and i always get this i don't know why andrew hates aaron rogers so much and you know it is true like a lot of it it doesn't make tons of sense and i just at this point like hating him and um i've you know thrown in my lot with the stew bot and the vikings fans and and but i've always found aaron rogers to be really smug and that was more that came out of more of like kind of kind of catty post press conference um remarks he's made uh kind of uh at russell wilson and whatever it's just sports dislike but somebody did ask me or tweet at me or something like but how can you dislike this guy look he's giving to this charity i'm like yeah it's a barstool sports charity that is and listen i understand that um we do have to look out for the small business owners and the restaurant uh owners and restaurants that are suffering like there's a lot it's actually heard a really good piece on kow about it um last week actually bill radke was interviewing a owner of a restaurant that it's called big time brewing or something it's on the ave if you feel like looking it up i thought it was a really good perspective from a restaurant owner so i understand that perspective but like you're not going to get me to like aaron rogers again because he's giving to some sort of like organization that is related to barstool sports which are just the most toxic people in the world and probably you know raising this money as this sort of like yeah the government isn't doing their job by shutting everything down so we're going to be the heroes here that's not going to get me on your side there yeah there are

a million ways that you can donate money to help restaurants excuse me don't do the one that in any way benefits Dave Portnoy's brand and the fact that he like the fact that he doesn't get that that brand is problematic just like the Barstool Sports brand Sundays or Saturdays are for the boys or whatever like it's just that to me was like you know that was kind of off-putting

I guess yeah I really I just I just like him but again I also I like to dislike him our head coach is a 9-11 truther right and also like I feel bad you were on the text chain too our old boss and And dear friend Steve Nelson was wearing his Vinny Testaverde Browns jersey to root for the Browns yesterday. And, of course, he's a Green Bay fan, so I feel bad talking so much smack. But I also think that he's a busy guy and he doesn't have time to listen to this nonsense anymore.

I'm hoping most people don't have time to listen to this nonsense. So, yeah, I mean, anything you want to say about the future of the Browns or other reflections on this game before we wrap this bad boy up?

You know, I don't know what is going on with various contracts and what have you with the Browns. Like, I think I've said this before. I'm pretty sure OBJ will not put on a Browns uniform again, and I'm fine with that. Yeah, I think that might be good. Let's kind of move on from that. They did a really, I mean, again, maybe not his fault, but for whatever reason, I think the Browns did better without him on the field or on the sidelines kicking dirt. Njoku, our tight end, I've always liked him. He didn't get as many looks this season as I'd hoped, and my guess is he will probably be gone next year, too. I think he didn't even want to be a Brown this season, and I think his contract is up now officially, so he will probably be gone. But I believe the two-headed monster of Chunt will still be there. We'll still have Baker. We'll still have Stefanski and the whole gang. And so I think that we're going to work on defense. I think we need to work on our secondary, and we'll see what the Browns do in the offseason regarding that. And in the more immediate future, you know, go Bills, right?

Yeah, I think we are all Bills fans now. Do you have a ringing going on in your background? Yeah, I do. Sorry. You know, the train, this was actually happening yesterday when we were watching the football game, too. that's the sound of the train moving slowly through you know this part of portland but there's some kind of a weird you can hear it now right yeah a little bit it wasn't bothering me it

just sounded like maybe you had to go run and grab something i wasn't sure what what was it

was distracting me from it anyway um yeah i was gonna say we're all browns fans except for our listeners in kansas city who are bills still oh yeah bills fans sorry um the other thing

why do i have to end on a negative note i love patrick mahomes um i i love i kind of weirdly love andy reed although i don't know anything about him or his politics but i just think he's kind of a funny seemingly quirky character um that being said i want them to get rid of that quote-unquote native american chant yeah in the stadium yes like that's a very bad look at in 2021 and it was making i mean i was obviously rooting for the browns anyway but it was like this is not making kansas city seem like a likable team to me that the main way to celebrate or root

the team on is to do something that feels pretty racist to me agreed i i genevieve pointed out too she's like what they're still doing this that that chant thing i i do not like it i wish they would get rid of it and frankly you know again like as far as native american names are concerned the chiefs are not there are certainly not the worst of the bunch or weren't the worst of the bunch But like, you know, yeah, like all this Native American iconography and just like kind of the the cultural what's the word when you're kind of stealing from a culture appropriation, appropriation of the whole thing. And just and then the bastardization of it with that chant is pretty, pretty off putting.

Yeah. So yet another reason to root for the Bills. All right. Well, I guess that's it. We go into an offseason where I think that the sky is the limit for the Cleveland Browns and the Seahawks are. I think I said this last week, I think they're going to be competitive next year, but I don't know. I don't think they'll be better than they were this year. I don't unless they are offensive coordinator is some kind of genius. I don't I don't see the Seahawks going 12 and four again. Like I unfortunately or unless we make some really huge like offseason pickups that really redefine things. Like if we really bolster our line or something like it's just interesting to be going into an offseason where I feel like the Browns, the Browns prospects are really, really, really good.

And the Seahawks are kind of more, you know, I then again, this is just me being like dumbly optimistic. There's a lot of question marks about the Seahawks, but I think they still will. I still think next year will be a playoffs year for them. You'd like to see some improvement on that. You'd like to see them get past the wildcard round. But, like, how do you feel about them now in the market for a new offensive coordinator? Was that a good move?

I guess it was. I mean, I think that Schottenheimer did a really bad job in that last game of adjusting. And it was all working at the beginning of the season, obviously. But I think defense has kind of figured out what the Seahawks were doing. And then I don't think that the Seahawks sort of, you know, adjusted to the adjustment very well. So I just don't think You look at that Rams game And I just don't think that that's an offense that's working You can't fire Russell Wilson So what are you going to do Doug Pearson apparently is interviewing for the job Which is kind of interesting I don't really know how he was as an offensive coordinator I know that the Philly special Was a really pretty rad play So maybe he'll just call that every down But I don't know much about His offensive coordinating But I do think that they needed to probably get rid of Schottenheimer In fact, watching the Chiefs yesterday was a real reminder of what clever play calling can really do. And, by the way, the Browns as well. The Browns went for it on fourth and one from their own 30, I think, ish. And they did a really smart play, which they did a quick hitter. You know what I mean? It was a handoff play, but it was a handoff play that I think caught the defense slightly off guard. And it was not risky, but it had a high upside.

Was that the one where they actually Hunt was in the backfield and he just plowed up the middle just to get like the half a yard or yard? Am I thinking the right one?

I think that one, but I say a quick hitter because it was like, you know, the rhythm of a handoff usually goes with a certain like the quarterback drops back. And then if there's two backs in the backfield, often he'll hand it to the second person and the first back is a blocker. Yeah, yeah. And when you hand it to the first one or just the rhythm of it was it came more quickly than I think normally happens. And I think that was what got them the advantage It's a simple play but it's like the Seahawks Seem so lousy on fourth down And third and short it just seems like they're always Like doing some bullshit Play where it involves Russell Scrambling around and he just has No one to throw to and it's just like Little things like that and then again I mean Andy Reid I have to say like A couple of big Big balls call There you know I know it was To the detriment of the Browns but those are some gutsy plays like when he lets Henny throw it on fourth and one so much can go wrong with that play and if you if you don't execute and then the Browns get the ball at the 50 and drive the field you are going to be you know vilified so I think play calling matters and I think that the Seahawks probably had to try to bring somebody else i don't know if they'll be better than schottenheimer but i think you have

to give it a shot yeah what do you think of tony romo as an announcer i noted i've always liked tony romo to the degree that i told veves i was embarrassed i clearly have a crush on tony romo because um before the game when i saw that he was going to be one of the um one of the announcing crew i got embarrassed i'm like oh come on guys don't embarrass yourself in front of tony romo and i was like that's a weird feeling to have um and then uh but then i noticed that like a lot You know, he kind of messed up a couple of calls. They had called the game a play early accidentally. But when he makes a mistake, he goofs around about it. I find him, you know, and I'm in a pretty bad place at that point, too, because I'm a Browns fan. But, like, I didn't take it out on Tony Romo. I think he's a fun, I mean, incredibly intelligent because of his background with the position. I think he's a very informative broadcaster. Yet it seemed like a lot of the professional broadcasters in my feed were dragging him. They really seem to not like him. A lot of radio, you know, a lot of friends who work on the radio side or the sports side of radio, just bashing Tony's performance.

I like Romo, and I think he has this advantage. Well, one, I think he's likable. He's natural on the air. But he also has this advantage of being very recently a quarterback in the NFL. I think the game has evolved so much. like I don't think that Boomer Esiason I mean he knows a lot about football because he's he studies it but like Tony Romo the reason that Tony Romo can like diagnose plays or predict plays before they happen is because he's been playing in the modern NFL which is a totally different world than the NFL of 20 years ago so I think he brings that advantage to the thing by the way you know he makes 17 million a season I didn't remember the number but I remember that was a

Right around the time I was first listening to The Lebitard Show, and that was a big topic for a while, the amount of money that he's pulling in.

I mean, that's the most awesome sort of move you can make is, I believe, I mean, he probably signed a big contract with the Cowboys at some point, but I would say $17 million is probably more than he made per season most of his career. He's making more talking about football, which is pretty impressive.

Yeah, absolutely, and he's still doing the Corona commercials, I believe.

Well, he's got that going for him, too, which is nice. Yeah. Well, my friend, congratulations on a very exciting season for your team. I mean that. Any final words before we sign off? No, no. Before we let this police car further interrupt the broadcast?

No, I think we're good, and I think we're good with no-point conversions, probably, for the next until football season begins, unless you and I feel like popping in and talking baseball at some point. We always threaten that, but we don't usually do it. Also, I don't know, would the Seahawks theme song still be the no-point theme song?

No, we would play that Cleveland Super Bowl.

Oh, right, right. Anyway, but yeah, so this is a wrap for no-point conversions probably for this season. But as a good friend of mine— Unless the Mariners get hot.

Yeah. If the Mariners have like an August run, the vaccine is out there, we're going to games, Andrew. I would definitely consider some special baseball-related no points.

Yeah, absolutely. It's always on the table. But in the meantime, I would just say to wrap up this season, as a good friend of mine might say, what a world.

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