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Keaton jumps the medium and hits them head on. It's the Jimmy Dore Show. Welcome to the Jimmy Dore Show, everyone. Keaton and Kurt here while Jimmy is away. So some more inside scoops on our greatest ally here. In case you weren't sure who was in charge, U.S. officials believed Israel was plotting to kill Iranian negotiators. A big scoop from the New York Times. U.S. officials believed that Israel might have been plotting to kill Iran's top negotiators while Washington was engaged with Tehran in delicate talks this spring to reach an interim peace deal, according to current and former American officials. Killing senior Iranian leaders have been part of Israel's strategy from the start of the war. But American concerns about the targeting of two particular Iranian officials, Abbas Arachi, Iran's foreign minister, and Mohammed Bagher-Galabaf, the Speaker of the Parliament, spiked during delicate ceasefire negotiations that began in April. I love the New York Times reporting this as if it's all just, you know, normal. Fearful that an Israeli assassination effort would doom the negotiations. The United States, according to some of the officials, went so far as to ask other countries in the region to warn Iran about the possibility Israel could target the two officials. While U.S. strikes focused on Iran's navy and missile forces, Israel prioritized targeting the leadership in the early phase of the war, intent on killing as many high-ranking officials as it could. that included killing potentially more pragmatic leaders that the trump administration had hoped to negotiate with such as ali larajani iran's top national security official and kamal karazi a former iranian foreign minister both men were involved in the negotiations with the united states when they were killed in israeli airstrikes so you see you see how israel is simply not going to allow for a peace to be negotiated they don't have a partner in peace they don't have a partner

partner in peace. They don't have a partner. That's right. They don't have a partner in peace. What about a partner in peace? Officer Tatum lets me spit on him. He's a partner for peace.

He's a Shabbat Koy. The Trump administration's suspicions about the possible Israeli plot to kill the two top negotiators show how the U.S. and Israeli war aims, which were close at the very beginning of the war, quickly diverged radically. Yeah, that's one way of putting it. And while the United States wanted a peace agreement, Israel has been skeptical from the initial cessation of hostilities in April. So that is New York Times speak for Israel will not let the United States make a peace like to phrase that as if, yeah, Israel has some justifiable skepticism about the terms of a peace deal, as if this whole thing wasn't their idea to begin with, as if they're not holding the entire world hostage with nuclear stakes uh in this now what six month long

conspiracy that's ridiculous yeah i think if you're on cnn we'll call everyone in the world we don't care it's the nuttiest thing to watch where i'm watching these people say one thing one day of course yeah and the next day the opposite and then the people i know that still support i'm actually texting my friend right now in anger where i'm like do you not know how do

do not know about this yet yeah no it's it's incredible it really is the initial two-week ceasefire in April was met with grudging Israeli official support and broad public concern in Israel that the United States was ending the war too quickly it was just broad public concern again that's just the New York Times just sanitizing you know it's funny um just a little inside baseball when Malcolm pitched this story to me he sent me the anti-war.com article by our friend Dave the camp who's great it's biased i i well i i try to feature his stuff and their stuff as often as i can but that was sourced from this and i thought you know what it's actually more telling to put the source because you get to see the box

as it's written right like it actually is useful to read this and dissect it broad public concern in israel that the united states was ending the war too early you see how reasonable they make them sound oh yeah they're just concerned are they there's a lot of concern that uh you know

yeah exactly i'm concerned you make them into goy jerky i got them concerns those are some those

are those that is a broad public concern in the podcaster community yes indeed rather than being driven from power the theocratic government of iran had become even more hard line and iran's islamic revolutionary guard corps had only consolidated its control over the country officials and commentators in israel viewed the initial agreement as a disaster again oh they they this was their honest opinion you know we all want the same thing right but the world's complicated place right because it did not accomplish their country's war aims of forcing regime change destroying iran's proxy forces and seriously damaging its missile program israeli officials also worried the agreement would put billions of dollars into iran allowing it to quickly rebuild after the war and without meaningfully restricting its nuclear ambitions now remember back in april when donald trump tweeted out a whole civilization will die tonight rather never to be brought back again and he gave them a deadline eight o'clock tonight now here's how the reasonable israelis who had you know broad public concerns about the war ending too soon they actually these sick fucks actually put a countdown clock on their tv screen as to when the deadline was hoping that donald trump would end their civilization at the time that he promised. So yeah, there they are, just like ringing in the new year, right? Eight hours, 58 seconds, 57. Israeli TV says power to the people is counting down to Trump's threatened genocide of the Iranian people and civilization. But you know, they just have broad public concerns. They're acting in good faith. What about this? Remember this? This is when they announced the MOU. This is Israel Haim. This is Mira Madelson's magazine, her newspaper in Israel. They run this big op-ed you could have been the greatest president of all but you failed mr president you have gravely harmed the human interests of the enlightened world and you may be remembered forever as the president who brought about america's humiliation you betrayed us the israelis and in a single moment the contempt you once faced suddenly seems so justified and logical wow that's Miriam Anderson's newspaper

excuse me young man this isn't fresh waiting tables for the pushy pushy lady no tip at the end you sat us too close to the window

you don't have a seat more inside that wasn't a quality ham yeah exactly this was something this was on israeli tv when the mou was announced this was my favorite this was my favorite this guy floats the iranians are using a low frequency electromagnetic weapon to influence trump's decisions look at this guy is it what nick saying we'll show the files yeah uh electromagnetic powers the russians have it the koreans have it and the iranians i know it sounds like i took it from some fictional movie but it's really what's happening on the job now they're working with this weapon and in my opinion they've injected these waves into the brain i don't exactly know it could be that even in russia when he was in russia it's very easy even from the routines in washington sorry china they hit him in china again because he was just in china they can see this weapon from the routines in washington why don't you activate your telepathic weapon to rebalance it believe it or not they asked me to do it and i'm working on it he asked me to share where the request came from we're working on it yeah we're working on it that's yuri geller the famous spoonbender

oh yeah yeah he's a scumbag and him and james randy the other mosad plant would do a little punching judy skeptic versus believer act all these years wow yeah they run both sides of everything he's fucks so yuri geller so you know uh avi lobe the great avi lobe with the three-eye atlas oh go on your vacation now because we're not the more asteroids it gets here so trump just put him on the alien

uh revealing the aliens committee or whatever the fuck that guy is a direct descendant of balshem tov the founder of uh haridi judaism and he's the guy from uh it's like their darpa in israel he's a harvard professor but he's some israeli you know nsa guy or something right their version of darpa so they've uri geller all the ufo crap you see that steven uh what's his name with the bad skin doc who's always doing the you know my team will tell you about these ufos we've had the cape you've seen him before right steven uh greer you've seen steven greer no i mean not that maybe i have i don't remember he was the big disclosure guy with the bad skin he's sponsored by rockefeller but all he's baha'i which is another israeli cut out religion is israel controls all that crap why do you think we get all this ufo crap now why do you think spiel boy

he's got disclosure out yeah there you go it all comes together yeah there you there you there you have it there you have it i mean uh you know maybe donald trump was the was the glue that that uh sticks it all together here uh speaking of uh donald trump um this is him today uh threatening to uh restart the war restart the war which is weird because i thought that we were taking a break uh during the ayatollah's funeral but uh here he is making a deal i don't know we'll make

either look we're going to win one way or the other we're going to make a deal or we're going to finish the job okay and it won't be tough to finish what is that thing behind him i'd rather make a deal because i don't want to affect 91 million people we can knock down their bridges in one hour we can knock out their energy supply all of those big plants that they built big beautiful modern plants had a lot of money they don't have any money now we haven't given them any money but we can knock out their electricity and power generating plants and I would say a small part of an afternoon every plan will be gone and they know that they know that is that a reptilian behind him what what it why

does he have openly have reptilians behind him now oh the guy the one the chick oh yeah that creepy mummy behind him next the other guy who looks like a

creep next the other guy who looks like rich voss yeah boxes are uh in in the henhouse you you could say so um yeah i know you have to hold your breath that they're not gonna murder the negotiators uh you have israeli tv israeli media uh egging him on every time he tries to uh make some kind of piece every time he tries to wiggle out of it uh no it doesn't seem like they're in the driver's seat at all. He's he's wanted to wiggle out of this since he got into it. The New York Times reported that his inner circle did not believe Netanyahu when Netanyahu told him how easy it was going to be. And what we've seen at the Ayatollah's funeral is pretty much cold, hard proof that he was being lied to. It's not proof that we needed. It's it's it's what we knew would transpire all along um but it's just amazing how story after story after story can come out this time about the israelis trying to kill the negotiating partners how this state can still be treated as an ally and then you see these people who come out here and act as if yeah what they did to gaza was terrible but we still believe in a secure israel because there are there are important ally how how is this country an ally by by what definition is this country an ally of ours it's

amazing it really is um well i guess that lady who was wearing a child's skin behind the press

you have to ask her gotta ask her she's got the answers

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welcome to the jimmy door show everybody keaton and kurt here filling in for jimmy while he is away uh so the iranian people are not overthrowing the government as was expected i don't know how they got this wrong i i don't understand usually the foreign policy establishment is able to uh you know see into the future uh with with impeccable accuracy but um air

Aerial footage of the millions of mourners in the streets of Tehran for the Ayatollah's funeral. Went on for many, many miles here. Glenn Greenwald says, Americans were told this is what Iranians would do to express gratitude to American and Israeli invaders for bombing them, pour out on the streets to welcome us as liberators. It usually doesn't turn out that way. It turns out most people don't like being bombed by foreigners.

But that's a big thank you parade.

Yeah. Yeah, exactly. so moshe rosenstein i wonder what side he's on like a like a typical leftist who lives appealing to anecdotes and feels you you end up with regarded takes like this right glenn no one said there weren't tens of thousands of people on the side of oppressive regime now go speak to the millions without internet and glenn corrects him not tens of thousands, millions. That's right. And don't believe Glenn Greenwald. Don't believe don't believe the commie propagandists on social media. He cites NBC News, Iran mourns supreme leader for a second day as millions. Yes, millions flood streets, some calling for revenge. Max Blumenthal, independent journalist, of course, friend of the Jimmy Dore show. I've just visited the largest funeral in history where millions mourned Syed al-Khamenei, the Iranian leader who was assassinated by the U.S.-Israeli coalition along with members of his family. It is practically impossible to understand what this scene is like or what it means unless you're here. I've met people from around the world who've come to pay respects, including many from across the West. The crowds pouring in are endless and grow larger and more intense into the night. And there's one of the many photos that max has posted there uh from that's the jew max blumenthal in there with

all those anti-semites that's right that's right i can put it into words they think that we this country and they're not wrong are bail worshiping cannibal pedophiles that's what's in all their hilarious ai slaps they made against america so that's why there's this outpouring you understand this is this must be the end of the world to them you know this must be like some kind of lord of the ring shit in their world because let's face it that is what america is and um they didn't even like this guy until he killed him weren't they almost sick of him till he killed

him uh i don't know because i only get my news from the people who said that uh the government would be overthrown by now so i could not confirm or deny that uh jesse waters man but yeah i'm a jesse waters man myself myself but i have been around long enough to remember when uh you know the uh iraqis were supposed to greet us as liberators and uh that ended up being uh a lot messier than uh the people who promised us that that was going to be over in six days six weeks or perhaps six months so uh aria yadagar says don't believe me here's high quality aerial footage of Engelab Square and the Engelab Street leading to Azadi Square, literally packed with people, black and red. Even the side streets are filled with people. This is the biggest funeral ceremony ever. And then here is some Al Jazeera footage. Al Jazeera says this is the largest funeral procession in human history. That's Mario Naufel saying that, with more than 10 million people estimated to have shown up in Tehran to pay respects for the late supreme leader. Iranian state media estimates more than 20 million people will participate in the ceremonies that will take place over multiple days in iran and iraq the second biggest funeral procession in history occurred in 1989 where in tehran apparently over the death of iran's first supreme leader oh so you mean you could have seen this coming it's weird see if you see i once again i only get my news from uh fox news you know i'm a big fox news guy so i didn't know that but you'd think whoever puts the news out whoever makes these predictions that may have been useful information to have before launching this war that uh none of the other presidents were dumb enough to follow israel into the fact that uh the previous uh record holder was also iran in response to the

death of the first supreme leader well not just that um the ayatollah that hold the ayatollah's in there because of us so when they all when you hear your patrick bett values talking about the shah was good because they could wear many skirts the right that's the how you measure a society how good it is is how short the skirts are great great point patrick bad value valuable point not

a lot of turnout for the shah i guess

yeah we also installed the ayatollah that's morning micah from the morning joe shows dad is their big new brzezinski and george hw bush in the cia while carter was in installed the ayatollah so they haven't had a leader like we've installed all their leaders since we overthrew that one they haven't ever had just like oh let's just have our own thing we've been interfering the entire time it's really quite amazing and you're welcome iran yeah there you go you're

yeah that's right you're welcome there's a crowd there's some tv footage overhead we've seen some footage already just a pretty endless scene and i want to point out to gavin mcginnis like here

gavin these people are against pedophile cannibalism they actually look into it a little bit and get disturbed by it and that's why there's millions of them in the streets because they're being attacked by nations of pedophile cannibals they certainly they certainly have a good turnout operation people aren't into it out there like you think not into it yeah yeah no it's uh who

could have seen this coming cnn is apparently uh on the ground there uh they say they're the only uh american uh tv network that's actually on on the ground there there are other journalists covering it and other outlets from around the world but uh the public funeral procession for iran slain supreme leader is underway in tehran today and a cnn team is on the ground so now we're going to see some of the mainstream media coverage uh this should be good yeah historic

moment that we're witnessing here in tehran as scores of people have come out to commemorate iran's late supreme leader ayatollah ali amine of course was killed in the u.s israeli airstrike along with several family members at the beginning of the U.S. and Israel's war against Iran. And as you can see on the ground here, there is a lot of sorrow, but there is also a lot of anger. The chance of death to America, as we're hearing right now, and death to Israel, have been going on almost nonstop, with people vowing revenge against the United States.

okay so these were people who we said we were liberating who were gonna take our cue to rise up and overthrow the governments and uh now you're getting look at that we stand for you look at that yeah we yeah i wish i had that wish i had that here we don't have the we don't have

the technology shit ribs the expression shit lives is that a tribe over there yeah exactly

Nick Cruz, who's going to be guesting on this show with Russell on Wednesday, by the way. MSNBC in full-blown meltdown mode over the massive global support and attendance for the funeral of Ayatollah Ali Khamenei shit-libs who believe the Iranian people despise their government is in absolute shambles right now.

We wish it was Bebe. We all wish it was Bebe. But he's got pictures of me in the folder of Epstein. So we're going to do any crazy thing that they want.

and the fact that they have the world's media they're covering it on the ground and you know we've talked about this before on your show the iranian regime is very well versed in using the foreign media for its propaganda purposes i mean we need to remember that this man that people are mourning is also responsible for tens of thousands the deaths of tens of thousands keeps going up and tens of thousands that his son the now so-called supreme leader is no first

it was 4 000 then it was 10 000 it was 20 000 and 30 000 and 40 000 then i heard what somebody said what 55 000 people in the protests uh yeah uh that that that number just keeps going up and according to you know even even western media is printing like i said on nbc news millions millions in the streets because they don't want to be bombed by other countries like again it's just extraordinary to to live through this 20 years after the iraq war when literally the exact same line of shit was said to to sell that oh don't worry they're they're gonna love us they're gonna love us for for doing a shock and awe campaign against them they're gonna take our they're gonna follow our lead yeah they're gonna do what we want them to do that that's what they're gonna do they're gonna do exactly what we tell them to do as we bomb sam harris at the sky yeah

sam harris says counterintuitive but it's probably a really good idea and honestly he's a really smart guy neuroscience or some some kind of brain thing he is a very smart guy and he he doesn't believe

in free will so according to him this was going to happen anyway no matter what yeah i'm not real

clear on his free will thing it's um it's almost incomprehensible yeah i don't understand that

it sounds like total bullshit to me i was never going to be able to understand it yeah no i was never yeah exactly i never had a choice in the matter i was destined to not be able to know what the fuck you're talking about when you say people don't have free will you know i don't understand it but it's not my fault it was meant to be it was meant to be it was just in the cards you know

yeah well that's why some people got blow up and that's why i buy sam harris atheist meditation

i was always going to be born to the creator of golden girls and never have to earn a dollar in my life so i can just meditate for weeks on end without talking and then just act like i know what i'm talking about and there'll never be any consequence for that because it was preordained that i would be born into hollywood royalty that's right yeah no need to rush we're all going to the

same place and we can't help any part of it it's real slow we need to nuke iran the usual suspects

uh don't don't believe me when i say when i say this even suspects insist that i'm full of garbage

but i think some people should be put in camps you know yeah and uh if hunter biden had kids tied up in his basement that would be literally okay with me that's a thing that i really said

yeah exactly but he hasn't even been heard of or heard from rather we haven't heard his voice okay so if he is injured severely injured and they don't want us to see him we haven't even heard his voice so there has you know we've talked about this again there's questions as to whether or not he's even alive or at best in a coma now what i have found interesting uh in my reporting is i've been speaking to sources inside tehran and i spoke to a man who i've been in touch with for some time about a decade has kind of wobbled between supporting the regime and then being very anti-regime last year was upset at trump for not quote unquote finishing the job during the 12 day war in june i asked him i said are you going to khamenei's funeral and he said i might go to the funeral tomorrow i haven't decided yet and i asked i'm curious why people are going to the funeral if they don't like the regime and he said i can't speak for others but for me everything changed when trump killed kids in manab and said that his goal was to end iranian civilization yeah oh you

you think that we're not human oh you mean like really that changed some people's mind first of all i think she's full of shit like i i don't believe her the ceo of helmets the heels you

think is lying yeah oh she's the ceo keaton how could she be alive i know i know how do you how do you make it that far what and then he was like no yeah and i go are you sure no i i don't believe

her when she acts as if uh there's a sizable contingent of uh uh you know anti uh irgc uh members uh there or an anti uh government faction at the funeral sorry i know that well

can i just tell you her background because maybe you trust her more if you knew uh h2h helmet to heels is a social impact media brand and sub stack platform founded by iranian american journalist suzanne kian poor when serious global news and geopolitics with fashion travel and lifestyle elements into a stylish accessible format helmet to heal what the fuck well she has a sub stack that settles it i stand corrected uh gagline vibe is essentially monitor the situation in style there you go wow good good thing you're talking to her cnn it's definitely worth it yeah well i

mean so the the whole claim that there's a large anti-government faction there seems kind of absurd uh on its face but to the extent that it could be true yeah i think uh that that wins the uh no shit award of the evening when she's like yeah when you blow up a school that kind of radicalizes people in the other direction yeah yeah no i i'm not you know i don't think you need that resume of yours to come to that realization. But there she is. President Trump told Axios, this from drop site, U.S.-Iran negotiations are paused until the funeral ceremonies for the late Iranian Supreme Leader conclude on July 9th, saying both sides agreed to take a week off and that neither side will shoot at the other during that time. Referring to scenes of mourning, see scenes from tehran below trump said he was surprised to see iranians crying because he thought people hated ali khamenei adding maybe it's fake tears they're all liars maybe they're crying i thought they

were tears of joy because i was going to destroy their fucking civilization do you think they took

that wrong oh yeah they may have taken that the wrong way he also said they are all there one shot and we can take them all out but we're not going to do that because then we would have nobody to negotiate with now where could he have gotten that idea that hmm all these iranian civilians in one place at the same time well mark levin tweets out on july 4th so this is two days ago because this has been you know a few days here they've been gathering in the streets yesterday the enemy gathered en masse all in one place. Opportunity lost. Wow. Just openly egging on the mass murder of civilians.

So the enemy being the civilian population, millions of civilians. Of course.

Of course.

that's that's how the israel firsters roll that that's how they fight so here's uh sky news reporting hundreds of thousands of iranians turn out for the funeral procession of the late supreme leader some more mainstream coverage from across the pond

extraordinary scenes in tehran as the funeral cortege of ali khamenei goes past us along a 20 kilometer procession through the heart of the iranian capital we are some way from its final end which is in the sally square down the road there but as you can see from here hundreds of thousands of iranians out on the streets where any government has promised the biggest funeral of modern times saying 15 million people will come out on the streets and from what we can see here certainly hundreds of thousands have answered that call now i want you to contrast all of this

reporting and you know it kind of combines some independent accounts with some more mainstream accounts because i just have to contrast this reporting from with what we were told was going to happen so remember this remember this the 3 a.m uh wake up call that we all got and donald trump in the baseball hat announces that we're going in to iran and calls on the iranians to step up yeah here he is here he is saying hey now's your moment don't miss it

The great, proud people of Iran, I say tonight that the hour of your freedom is at hand. Stay sheltered. Don't leave your home. It's very dangerous outside. Bombs will be dropping everywhere. When we are finished, take over your government. It will be yours to take. This will be probably your only chance for generations.

What happened? What happened?

For many years, you have asked for America's help, but you never got it. no president was willing to do what i am willing to do tonight just admitting what an idiot you

are just i mean it's it's not just a matter of being an idiot it's a matter of being compromised which is uh my theory in a widespread theory that he was the only one as under israel's thumb as he was uh john kiriaku said every time the israelis came to washington they would ask whoever was president to invade iran for them and every other president said no except this one and

here he is bragging about you he knows better moron yeah i bet you he's not a moron he did something bad and they hold it over him because just before he was president he said all the smart things that the other idiots who didn't fall for this uh wouldn't say so no that's on purpose clearly he's been blackmailed i don't know how anybody could even think it's in doubt after the epstein filed debacle and then this yeah well i mean and here he is essentially

bragging about that he's saying no other president did what i'm gonna do for you america's help which

is bomb you never got it you've been asking for our help is willing to do what i am willing to do tonight now you have a president who is giving you what you want so let's see how you that's what they wanted does it look like they wanted that is backing you with overwhelming strength and devastating force oh yeah now is the time to seize control of your destiny and to unleash the prosperous and glorious future that is close within your reach. This is the moment for action. Do not let it pass.

Yeah, I'm speaking to the rich ones, the rich expats who DJ at my kids' events. Those Iranians.

Do not let it pass. Well, they seem to have let that moment pass. They seem to have missed their big opportunity that you so graciously handed them.

We've got to get the uranium.

Yeah, the moment seems to have passed. it's uh it's it's really extraordinary uh to to see um you know it's it's a it's something that you kind of dreaded for the last 20 years but you kind of didn't think it could actually happen it's like it's like one of those things where you're like yeah this looks like it's gonna happen at some point but you're still shocked when it does and yeah the reason it's still shocking is because you saw the exact line of propaganda deployed to trick these idiots into supporting the iraq war now at the time that worked on 70 of the population this time it only worked on 30 of the population but guess what the lame duck president in for one term and out so fuck you what are you going to do about it uh what bb wants bb gets and uh this is the result much to the apparent surprise of the foreign policy establishment who insisted that the iranians were just waiting just waiting for us to give them the opportunity to overthrow the government cut to tens of millions of people rallying around their government, which is still in place, by the way. Now Trump is trying to cope and say that we've done kind of regime change since now we have the sun.

We know what that is. Like how we did with Maduro when there's the same mug. Communism.

is still in charge yeah and iranian but these ones are nicer ones and maybe we'll talk to them unless bb says no and blows them up first which is what will happen yeah wow they just had a thing

they just uh apparently uh jimmy did a story because we were going to do it uh today but apparently jimmy did it last week um about you know the new venezuelan government sort of cooperating with israel more yeah they obviously they're getting their way yep yeah obviously i

I can't even believe, first of all, all this news, this is the worst part of my day, is when I go talk to people that I know that are fucking morons and don't know. Someone's going to say to me, no, the Iranian people wanted to do it. Someone's going to still say it to me.

Yeah. 47 years, this should have happened. All of a sudden, they all know the number 47 years. All of a sudden, they all know that. I don't just mean Rich Voss.

Voss is excused because he's hilarious. He can't spell, so it's really funny that he supports Israel this hard, and I want him to continue doing it.

the rest of it no it's it's amazing how that mass propaganda works like nobody thinks it's weird that they all learn the same thing at the same time but you don't think it's weird that all your friends know to say 47 years at the exact same time that doesn't that doesn't strike you as a little suspicious like maybe you're being manipulated into something that's again not since

a supposed christian told me that candace owens weaponized saying christ is king against ben Shapiro have I heard such absolute deranged nonsense right with a straight face someone said this to me actually two people like what what are you talking about you know that's why they killed him for saying he was the king I don't know if you remember I get you need weaponized the fuck are you talking about

we have special guests with us Nicholas Holscher epidemiologist administrator at the McCullough Foundation. He's here to talk about the latest study on sunscreen. Hi, Nicholas. How are you?

I'm great. Thanks for having me.

Now, we've covered this story before using our source was a Midwestern doctor substack, and he did a deep dive and found out that the people who were exposed the most to sun got the least amount of the deadly kind of sun cancer or skin cancer, which is melanoma. That's the deadliest form. And it turns out that the parts of their skin that didn't get sun was where that kind of cancer showed up. And they've known this for a long time. They've done studies where they've looked at office workers and people who worked outside. And it seems like the more sun you get, the more of a kind of a resistance you get to the deadly kind of skin cancer. So I just want to play this this is uh this was you talking to our good uh friend uh matthew gates have i

been lied to as a florida man about sunscreen protecting me from cancer yes it appears we've

all been lied to unfortunately this massive study of over 470 000 people confirms it um it's very worrisome that when they compared sunscreen users to non-sunscreen users the sunscreen users faced increased risks of all the major skin cancers melanoma squamous cell carcinoma and basal cell carcinoma so all of these cancers were up but the most worrisome finding was that invasive melanoma was 300 percent higher higher risk in the sunscreen users they accounted for skin color time spent outdoors and many other things sex age and they still found these increased risks of the cancer. So when you use sunscreen all the time, you're blocking your body's ability to synthesize vitamin D, which is critical for cancer defense. So you do not want to shut that off. A JAMA study just came out and found all those active ingredients in the sunscreens get into your circulation. They get into your body above FDA regulatory limits. So what I would say is avoid sunscreens if you really have to use it. If you'll be out in the sun for six hours, midsummer day, you still want to use something i would use zinc based sunscreen not oxybenzone none of those

hormone disrupting chemicals have i been so that this so tell me about the latest study tell me about so because there was all there's been studies out there that we covered tell me about

the most recent one well that that would be the most recent one but i think what's important to talk about is the one before that and then so what led up to this latest one so before that the backstory is in 2018 a meta-analysis was published a meta-analysis is literally a combination of every single study ever done on a topic so they did a meta-analysis on the risk the risk of skin cancer with sunscreen use compared to no sunscreen use there was 30 studies so all 30

these studies since the 1980s was in this meta-analysis. When they combined all the 30 studies combined over the 40 years, the odds ratio of getting skin cancer when using sunscreen was over one. So what that means is all the evidence of the past 50 years shows that, yeah, there is technically a higher risk of getting skin cancer when using sunscreen. Now, it was only 8%, and technically it wasn't statistically significant. So now we get to the important part. Over those 40 years, there was 370,000 people. Then we got to this next study in 2023 that had 470,000 people, bigger, larger than the 30 studies combined previously. And so the latest study found sunscreen users had increased risks of every single type of skin cancer including invasive melanoma squamous cell carcinoma and basal cell carcinoma but the invasive melanoma was 300 percent higher in the sunscreen users higher than all the other cancers and they and particularly what this study did so not only was it the largest but they accounted for all the major skin cancer risk factors as the confounding variable. So they were able to isolate the effect of the sunscreen use. So they accounted for time spent outdoors, sunburn history, skin color, age, gender, literally everything. And so that's the state of the epidemiological evidence that, yeah, you use sunscreen, you're at an increased risk of skin cancer.

so i saw when you posted this uh so there's a lot there was a lot of pushback obviously so people don't realize that doctors maybe they do now because of covid are just as easily bought off and corrupted as a used car salesman and in fact you don't you don't be you don't become a doctor because you oppose what's in the medical books or the medical dogma you get to become a doctor because you go along with it and they weed out the the uh the the people who are rebels um but i i wanted to so this is what i'm just going to give an example of the kind of pushback so this guy uh asks gemini so it asked ai and he says no this is completely false meaning what everything you just said this claim is a classic piece of online misinformation that heavily distorts how scientific data works. There is no legitimate scientific studies showing that sunscreen inherently causes or increases your risk of skin cancer. Now, that's not true, is that?

That's not true. Literally, again, all 30 studies combined in the past 40 years shows actually the risk is increased. I mean, so these individuals, I don't know, they just conflate. They basically make stuff up because they don't want to believe it's true unfortunately so what they'll say is oh it's just an association and it's the sunscreen paradox where sunscreen users just go out in the sun more but that doesn't explain why the study that accounted for going out in the sun more still found the increased risks in cancers well here's go here's exactly what you're talking

about they claim it's a paradox right so here's what he says the sunscreen paradox why the numbers are scared. When researchers look at large observational population data, like the UK Biobank studies, they sometimes find that people who report using sunscreen also have higher rates of skin cancer. However, sunscreen isn't causing the cancer. Who uses sunscreen the most? People who have pale skin, burn easily, have a family history of skin cancer, or plan to spend hours out baking on the beach. These individuals already have a massively elevated baseline risk for skin cancer the so uh what i what i said back to that was uh many so uh the research indicates that there's widespread sunscreen use has not reduced skin cancer rates and in some cases increases it like that study in the uk of over 470 000 people it's it's this is from the midwestern doctor it's worth pausing on how the 2023 study's authors handled their own results. Having found that frequent sunscreen use tracked with more skin cancer, they did not consider that their model might be wrong. Instead, they labeled it a paradox, proposed that sunscreen users must be getting more sun or not applying enough or buying sunscreen after their diagnosis, and then concluded that the data demonstrates the importance of adequate and frequent sunscreen so they went exactly against the data

that their own study produced and he says this is the same reflex behind the french paradox the puzzle of why the french have less heart disease despite eating more saturated fat which was only ever a paradox if you assumed saturated fat caused heart disease to begin with an assumption resting on a far shakier foundation than the public was led to believe as covered in an article on the manufactured war on cholesterol that was used to push toxic and ineffective but lucrative statins upon everyone so what he's basically saying is that they even though their own study revealed exactly what you're saying they just said oh no it's just wrong even though that's the that study you're quoting it actually accounted for all these

factors correct yeah correct it literally accounted for all of those factors mentioned And so when there's basically arguments over these population level estimates, that's one, like you did, we have to look into the biological plausibility. And there's lots of biological plausibility behind sunscreens causing cancer. The first one is that a recent analysis of like hundreds of sunscreen products found that 27% of them are contaminated with benzene, a known human carcinogen. And so now that we have a JAMA study showing that sunscreen ingredients are rapidly absorbed into the bloodstream upon topical administration, that means the benzene is rapidly absorbed deep into the skin. And so you literally are slathering carcinogens over yourself while at the same time blocking vitamin D production, which is literally critical for cancer defense.

it's so i you run into this stuff all the time when you post stuff that is heterodox to uh the the line on sunscreen or anything medical right that saturated fat causes a heart disease or sun uh sun is bad for you and so you get these uh doctors who i don't know where they got their degrees but this isn't one of them uh this guy yannick buchella md he says there is no evidence sunscreen causes cancer? None. Of course, we just told you about all the studies that say exactly that. The link between unprotected sun exposure and skin cancer, all types, is one of the most well-established findings in oncology. Well, I would say it's one of the most well-established narratives in oncology, not actually a finding. Would you agree with that?

Yeah, I agree with that exactly. You know, it's the same kind of dogma with everything we've heard of you know they just say oh it's the most well-established and it's not it's just like you said the most well-established narrative that's been perpetuated for many decades and so those who have clung on to that for you know 30 years of their professional life they don't want to let go of it and they will cling to the old narrative for as long as they can but you cannot dispute slathering carcinogens on yourself as not possibly causing skin cancer. So they don't even

look at any of these possible scenarios. And it's not only the cancer-causing chemicals that are in the sunscreen. It's that, correct me if I'm wrong on this, do some of the chemicals kind of transmute into cancer? So they're not originally cancer-causing, but over time, or when you put them on your skin and you add sun, it then kind of transmutes them into some kind of cancer-causing

chemical, or am I wrong about that? Well, that's possible. So starting with benzene, that's not supposed to be in there. It just usually gets there from some contamination during manufacturing. But again, it's in like one in four sunscreens. The other things, the primary active ingredients in many sunscreens are oxybenzone and avobenzone. These are potent hormone-disrupting chemicals that are highly toxic to human cells. And so, you know, that just simply in and of itself, disrupting your hormones and throwing your body out of homeostasis will promote cancer growth. And again, those are literally the primary ingredients, It's avobenzone and oxybenzone in many of these sunscreens.

And so it messes with your normal biology and chemistry in your body, throws off your hormones, making you more likely to get cancer.

Yeah, exactly. Exactly.

And so I posted this after that doctor posted his study, and I said, honestly, I feel bad for the people who go for your medicine. And this is right from Live Science, cancer-causing chemical found in 78 sunscreen products. That's not disputed, by the way. So the independent lab that made the finding is calling on the FDA to recall these sunscreen products. And this is the kind of pushback you get. This guy says, for people who are going to believe this, the chemical in question is benzene. Over 70% of sunscreen tested in this study didn't have benzene. I said, cool, so you're saying just 30% of the sunscreen causes cancer? Not sure that's the only thing you think it is. so i mean it's just that's just and so let me just give you a little couple more facts i say i'm citing myriad studies contained in midwestern doctor substack where he cited common toxic chemicals using uv filters and many sunscreens that face scrutiny for potential carcinogens toxicity absorption into the bloodstream and doctrine disruption which is what you were just talking about skin allergies and environmental harm like you can't even wear sunscreen in uh in the ocean when you go swimming in hawaii because it kills the coral reef if it kills the coral reef imagine what it's doing to you after it's already diluted in the seawater it'll still kill the coral reef you're putting it right into your bloodstream and here's some of those chemicals oxybenzone most frequently cited as concerning it absorbs readily through the skin acts as a potential indoctrinate hormone disruptor and has been linked in studies to reproductive issues, allergies, coral bleaching, FDA studies show bloodstream absorption. It's banned in places like Hawaii. How do you say that? Oh, boy. It doesn't matter. Strong evidence of endocrine disruption also absorbed systemically and environmentally harmful to reefs. Homo salate, potential hormone disruption. So this is all the stuff that's in sunscreen here's some more avobenzone some evidence of indoctrin effects and absorption can deregulate and produce byproducts and then octocrylene absorbed systemically linked to allergies and potential degradation into benzophenone a suspected carcinogen so it then degrades into a different type of chemical that is a suspected carcinogen and then octosylate absorbed through the week with weaker evidence of other harm so it it's it's always amazing to me so we all know i don't know if you're aware of this but when i did my deep dive into sunscreen that in the 80s uh dermatology was on the lowest rung of the specialist md ladder and so they actually this the the dermatology association hooked up

with Madison Avenue Advertising and they advise them to conflate deadly skin cancer like melanoma with the not deadly skin cancer, basal cell carcinoma. By the way, the survival rate of basal cell carcinoma after five years, 100%, just to let you know. So they conflated those and they just call it under one umbrella, skin cancer. So now people are afraid of the non-deadly lethal skin cancer basal cell as much as they are afraid of melanoma because the Dermatology Association wanted people to conflate those so then they could get more money doing Mohs surgery, which is how you get rid of basal cell. And in fact, they would even do Mohs surgery on, they would go into to retirement centers and nursing homes and do most surgeries on people who are about to die. So that's about, it's just a big moneymaker for the dermatology profession. Are you aware of any

of that? Yeah, it sounds about right. It sounds very accurate, unfortunately. And so yeah, so they're going to the nursing homes and cutting moles off of people on their deathbeds? Yes. that's uh that's quite shocking yes uh quite disappointing and you know many so those the same individuals slathering sunscreen all over themselves um are probably in support of that

hey this is jimmy who's this

that's it's cash to tell

director patel what a pleasure how are you dude i'm doing so tight right now no cap dude

my issue is straight up on cruise control you know that feeling ombre all cylinders on fire the entire sitch on block job stuff is legit clutch right now i've got a hottest ball's girlfriend who's a country music legend has a voice like a majestic parakeet i guess i don't I've never heard her sing sober And I finally caught you before vacation Dude I get to talk to my homie one last time

Yeah I'm looking forward to taking some time off Some deserved R&R You know

Oh for sure dude for sure

I bet you let loose like a motherfucker. I love it, dude. Love it. You got some big plans for the 4th? America's Big 250?

We might. We'll see. I'm doing a set at the Improv, but how about you?

Oh, dude. You haven't heard of the legendary annual 4th of July Cash Bash celebration of America?

No.

Come on, man. Literally impossible. Like the biggest DC event, like, ever. It started in law school, and every year it just gets bigger and clutcher. yeah this year it's gonna be fucking epic dude oh yeah oh yeah trust throughout the day we're expecting a buck buck 50 manly work friends but some college buds too two grills running constantly meat only no fucking veggie burgers three kegs all american beer full bar 20 pounds of maryland crab trucked up from annapolis we are not fucking around dude full view of fireworks over the potomac three flat screens running one showing mel gibson's the patriot the other two porn one softcore one hardcore a mechanical bull a little circus poodle who can run around on an inflatable ball in a tutu ketamine fucking the works dude wow it sounds like quite a party pal i just love america dude i fucking love her getting emotional right now thinking about it trust okay okay but then the best part after the fireworks are over and the nice people leave we say fuck it we let the dishes soak in the sink and then we head to the after party after party oh hell yeah dude this one guy that randy and emno has a place down by the dockyards that's on the water and we just go fucking nuts dude we get coked up at roman candle fights there's always at least two strippers we do jello shots and use our fbi clearances to swat democrat members of congress just full-on ape shit sounds like quite something oh you know it dude my party is about loving america The after party is about wanting to fuck America on the floor of a gas station bathroom.

Oh, my God. I see.

You should come, dude.

No.

Suit yourself, Brohim. This year is going to be particularly lit with all the law enforcement who will be in attendance. SCOTUS has made it so there will be new laws to enforce, which is what we crave, dog.

Oh, really?

Oh, yeah, dude. They just upheld laws to ban males competing with females in, like, team sports for schools. So it's fucking game on with that shit, dude.

Well, wait, what do you mean?

The FBI will be on the ground floor policing that shit. You got a dick and balls? Get the fuck off the soccer field, Landa. Simple as that.

is that really a judicious allocation of federal resources

no dude honestly that sounds like an assistant principal's job but quite frankly after all our fuck-ups the fbi needs a pr boost like a motherfucker right about now transport shit has proven so insanely unpopular with most people on both sides that inserting ourselves into the situation can only make us look good we'd be like gender saviors

With all due respect, Cash, I'm not sure this is a situation that needs a savior. Maybe more like a readjustment.

Saviors are rarely requested. Usually they are announced and foisted upon people. Good law-abiding citizens don't know that they need gender saviors. We are here to inform them. Never fear, good people. Here come the FBI to make sure that your fifth-grade daughter will never be a second-place Sally ever again. Finally, we will literally be the FBI female body inspectors.

Good Lord.

Honestly, it works out great because every year on the 4th, we've been doing genital inspections at that after party I was telling you about. In fact, that one guy that Randy and them know adamantly insists on it. Kind of weird for sure, but we're so faded by the time we get there, no one gives a shit.

All right, then.

Okay, we fit TMI like clockwork. Should let you go dog Have a great summer dude You sure you don't want to come To either party Open invite

Yeah pretty sure But thank you

Burgers and beers Love in America Girlfriend singing songs That people are forced to listen to Little circus poodle fucker You know Alright dude Right on Between you and me If like Five people show up I'd be fucking thrilled

You know anyone in D.C., just tell them, you know, free food, free booze. Fucking clutch, dude.

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