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What's happening? Good to see you. Same. We were just talking, sorry, I had to pause Jamie before the podcast. So you were telling me that LeBron James is not going to go back to the Lakers. How old is he now? 41?

41 yeah what is the the oldest that a elite athlete has been tom brady's 44 i think nfl qb

that'd be pretty high up there how was a current i was was kareem that's a good question how was

kareem when he retired bernard hopkins i think would be the next bernard hopkins is number one

yeah bernard we were talking about how he beat kelly pavlich at uh 42 but bernard had a couple of years to to incubate a little bit oh yeah you know about that yeah not take damage and

steal up the mind he uh he had the most intense discipline that guy never got out of shape which is also a giant contributor to longevity never never was building back you know he wasn't like a 42 year old who was like you know he took six months off i haven't been in the gym no but no to know every day it was running nutrition everything was always on point never buried cream was like 42 i think so he might be the oldest of the past guys but this was before all the science right yeah science changes things science so we were just talking about the science

so jamie what are they allowed to take and not allowed to take i don't know it's like the nba used to like i think for like weed stuff they used to say that it's like uh they'd get tested i think Like, October 1st, which is, like, right when preseason starts.

For weed?

Yeah. And so, like, as long as you were clean on October 1st, then you're good because they wouldn't test the rest of the year. That's ridiculous. But now, like, I know in the NFL, if you have a crazy game, you're going to get tested the next day. They're just going to check you for what was going on with you yesterday.

Yeah, why would you play good? Ridiculous.

I don't think the NBA does that specifically, but I don't know, honestly.

So, what are the rules in the NBA in terms of marijuana now? I thought that was part of the thing that they negotiated in the contract to make sure because a lot of players like to be high when they play.

I think they might just have just stopped testing for it is all.

I wanted to mention names, but I'm friends with some guys, and they tell me they can't play unless they're high. That's the same thing with pool players. I know a lot of pool players. They like to get lit before they get on the table. Yeah, pool shit. You should be lit playing pool. Yeah, you feel things better. Here we go. NBA can randomly drug test each player up to four times during the season and two times in the offseason with additional tests allowed any time there is reasonable cause. But marijuana is no longer part of the standard testing panel. Yes, sir. Yeah, so they can smoke weed, which makes sense. Let them. It's not. What are you doing? It's not hurting anybody, and they play better with it. I think leave them alone. That's what I think. Unless they're doing meth. Unless they're doing, you know what I mean?

They also had another big betting scandal that's kind of broken recently in the last 24 hours there. Oh, no. Where a player has been called out for throwing at least four games. And then where that's going to go from here is kind of being speculated online.

I'll tell you where that goes. If people find out, that goes to bullets. That's the problem. The problem with someone throwing a game is somebody bet on that fucking game. A lot of people bet on that game.

The cases I've seen, though, are, like, the over. So, like, they had player props, and, like, he needed 4.5 rebounds, and he has four, and he's just trying extremely, extremely, extremely hard to get that extra rebound, which is, like, no, that's wrong. Wait a minute.

That's not that bad. That means he's playing well.

And the other one, which was he was fixing a spread at, like, in the last second. Like, he sprinted down the court to get an extra basket with, like, three seconds on the clock when they were down by ten, or seven, technically, to beat the eight-and-a-half-point spread.

Yeah, but so what? He's just scoring.

How can you ever it's just a it's an when you watch basketball enough you go like that doesn't happen that often Why would you do that?

Yeah, you used to people throwing the ball and just throwing it down there not you running down

I know but if you can do it in score, why wouldn't you do it?

I don't even understand why anybody would question that you down by 10 is five seconds to go the game I want that ball in the net. You man. Well, no So, why? Because that's not going to change. Oh, we lost by eight. Well, it just means you're competitive to the end. You never give up, even though you know you're losing. And no starters on the floor at this time.

You down by 10, it's five seconds to go. No starters on the floor.

Yeah, but it's not like he's missing on purpose. So it's one thing if the guy's, like, missing on purpose. But if he's scoring on purpose, leave him the fuck alone.

All right, so similar thing. World Cup just happened, like, two, three nights ago where they just got into the knockout round, you know, so the big tournament was every team plays three games to figure out where you end up to play the next part of the tournament. Ten teams get eliminated. uh-huh uh third place teams for the first time ever can make it through and so there was a i think it was algeria and i forget the other team sorry but if they both tied they both move through if one team wins and one team loses one team goes through and then they're like with four minutes to go in the game they're kind of just passing the ball around the score is tied and one team goes ahead and scores and it kind of starts a fight on the field where you see the other team yelling at the other team like fuck you like i don't know exactly what they're saying but like what like and then with like two minutes to go the other team sort of just stops playing defense and kind of seems to like let them score oh god it's like is that i don't know if it's a big collusion or

if they just sort of like made an agreement or how did what don't they have mics on those guys it's such a they have to have mics on somebody they have strong mics now and they have people that can lip read they can pick up hey motherfucker you're supposed to leave this a tie yeah if that happens like you can't play anymore right like what happens to those guys they have to get suspended

for that'd be the entire that'd be both teams the coaches it'd be everybody i don't know i don't really know how it's gonna pan out but it was very what a conundrum yeah how could you do that

like i hate that this is what this is what i don't like about sports betting not that because That's about advancing but about sports betting is the even the consideration that a person is playing a certain way Because they're worried about a spread or because they've been paid off to not score or they've been paid off to foul You know like there's the problem with these things is you could bet on anything you can bet on anything anything anything so if you're a crooked and what has been like the most crooked aspect of the fucking human race over the past like 100 years other than the legal system the most crooked aspect has been sports betting it's always crooked sports and politics politics they damn near they're all the same yeah they're the same it's the same it's money it's anyone anytime there's money involved and decisions can be shifted influence

can be used to make something happen but it seems like that with with most things that people you know have some type of you know hierarchy desire for they they 100 they gonna put something in you know like even with like awards and this is a who can promote the best and who can if you can Take all the people that vote to dinner and, you know, smooze them at dinner. It's going to be a thing where who's going to beat you when you have all the voters? Right. Or you have a situation where you have people that work for your company that can vote. How are you not going to vote for the project that the company put out? Right. Yeah. You know, we got 60 voters, you know, so we at least got 60 votes.

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I think you said it best when you said the hierarchy. That's really what it is. It's in anything that has any kind of a hierarchy. Politics is the ultimate example.

Politics is the ultimate example.

But there's that hierarchy shit in everything in the world.

Everything. And it trips people up. But with politics it is a little more detrimental than with sports you know sports is you know you gambling people trying to win things but with politics it's like if you're not somebody that's not qualified can be in a position where you know they they make a decision on on the masses of people's lives

not just that they can appoint judges which is they can appoint crazy judges like there's obviously judges like they have disputes well why do they have disputes because they're ideologically captured on both sides there's people that are like you know like certain right-wing judges you throw some case out there that's a right-wing case what abortion rights whatever it is immigration you know how they're going to vote yeah same thing with left-wing people like hardcore left-wing people you guarantee trans women in sports trans women are women let them play in sports that that was a recent supreme court order three judges said that trans women should be able to play in women's sport the rest of them said fuck no the other six canceled it out luckily and you know

those people are not taking into account the sport like it's a it's a difference if you uh was originally something and now you playing as something else your strength is different and you know you don't feel that until your daughter getting knocked out the ring when she's supposed to be boxing somebody that they're the same gender, then now her whole side of her face broke.

It's insane. It's insane. And it's not cruel to not let that happen in sports. That's what Title IX is about in the first place. Give women the opportunity to play in an equal time as men. It's a good thing. Having men that think they're women play with women is fucking crazy. It doesn't mean you need to cast those people out of society. It doesn't mean ain't that you live and let live. I agree But get the fuck out of the women's room You have a dick if you get the fuck off the team You're you're running track at a literal a women's Olympic level and you're 15 you why because you have a dick This is crazy. You're not really a girl. This is nuts. You know, that's the that's the world we live in and

No, what's not? I'm gonna say that's the world we live in as the world is being presented to us at this point that that's right you know and it's you know it's a lot of things it's like this man you this is why in comedy i choose not to go the current the current affair or the political route because i don't have time to separate the room i'm too busy trying to do things to bring the room together and that's

more of a righteous aim for me well you i said this before i'll say it live publicly what you've done is very extraordinary because you've made a giant following online completely organically. It's very inspiring because all you do is just do your thing the best that you can and put it out there and it just keeps growing. It's amazing. It's very cool. It's very inspirational.

You should be proud of it because what you've done, like I said, it's totally organic. Like you don't have a bunch of production companies pushing you and trying to make you more popular than you are. No, it's all just putting it out there and getting this gigantic following just from your work, just the work.

Appreciate it. And then, you know, even with that, you still have some type of responsibility to not see things the same as other people. Like, I just got all this flack about me talking about how this business of people inflating things has caused depression in comics. You know, that we're supposed to be a happy craft, but now it's this big push about if you're not on social media, you're not on this, you're not on that. a lot of these comics are you know going through this mental health thing where they always sad about their numbers or you know or this and they're like yo man it it is a it's a thing and some people inflate things and everybody wants to be on the same level so sometimes you you can't be oh well you can but people look at it as a certain way where when you proud of the steps that you've taken and if i played in the g league that's not the nba so i wouldn't say that i was playing i played in the league because i know what the league means i know you know i know this says this the g league but when i present myself yo you know i play in the league people automatically think the nba you know it's not it's not no the g league is that and not knocking the g league but That's not the first thing that comes to my mind. Right. You know, it's just playing for the Washington Generals is not the NBA. Even though you played against the Globetrotters, they were great players. But we know how this game goes. But that's how people see things now.

Well, the numbers thing is real. The numbers thing is a real problem with people because it gives you a quantifiable measure of whether or not you're doing well. and if you already have anxiety which a lot of comedians have you're already like socially awkward which a lot of comedians are you don't feel accepted which is how a lot of comedians feel and then you look at those numbers you're like 2,400 I only have 2,400 followers I've been doing comedy for 7 years why do I only have 2,400 followers and then you go to someone's page that you've never even heard of they have 1.2 million you're like what the fuck

and so this is about being grateful in the position that you you're in i remember when they were people was pushing me how you need to get on the internet you need to be on social media okay but i would see those people that had all those followers and that same year the year before that i did a half hour special with comedy central then year um 2018 i did a full hour special with comedy central i had um 500 followers on instagram i had 300 followers 300 subscribers on youtube on a page that i didn't own i had to fight to get this page i had less people on facebook but i was efficient in what i was doing so the numbers didn't they didn't pick me because i had these numbers they they picked me because i came and I did what I did, and then they, oh, he's great. So then we started going, you know, a route to build it up, but we were already getting things prior to the numbers.

Right. What year is this again?

This is 17 and 18.

Okay, so the difference is that in 17 and 18, people were just starting to be aware of the power of social media, and then they were really concentrating on different comics that had a large social media following. You know, I think that was, like, right when it first started happening.

Dane Cook had blew up before that.

That was a, yeah, that was a MySpace thing.

That was a MySpace thing, an internet, another internet thing.

That's true, that's true, that was different. But the difference is, like, he had gotten so huge just from that that he was already doing, like, arenas.

Yeah.

And when they, so he was already huge, and then they just went with him. But he was, like, super popular. Now it's like super popular on social media is one of the most important things.

So now moving up to this, because I have a strong arm with this. So I have a million followers here, a million followers there, all these specials. I still didn't get invited to the BET Awards. I still don't get invited to a bunch of things. I still get looked over for things, even though I have numbers and success. But I don't worry about it. I'm just in my I'm not watching to judge myself again. what somebody else is doing it's guys who have less everything but they're in this in this round where they they had every they had everything i see guys is that everything with no um with no specials and no proven thing they just around and i'm like okay but it's i'm not i think the point that i'm not judging myself up against what somebody is doing socially but that's also easier

when you're successful and you're successful you're very successful so the difference is like when you sell out these shows and you put out these specials like i've seen your specials have millions of views so it's like obviously you have a following if you didn't and you were doing the same thing then it would be a problem but then also that would it's like comedy in a lot of ways not always but a lot of ways is a meritocracy if you're good people will come yeah it's that simple fight night is here title shots debut killers and the rising contender nobody's talking about yet and only draft kings has you covered every step of the way the draft kings app is now available in all 50 states and includes all markets bringing the game straight to your fingertips wherever you are no matter where you're watching you're always connected and in the game with one app new draft kings customers sign up with code rogan spend five bucks to get 200 in rewards within 21 days that's code rogan in partnership with draft kings the crown is yours bet with dk

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and compare myself to somebody else, or make myself seem like I'm more than what it is. Like, guys are, hey, man, I'm at this room. I got 50 tickets sold. Okay. How much do rooms seat? Oh, the rooms seat 300. Okay, cool. You have 50 people more than if you didn't play the room. You know what I'm saying? Because who knows you in Utah? It's a building thing. Like, I got all of this going on. But if I go to Utah, I'm in a comedy club. It doesn't matter what happened the night before. I was just in the arena. But in Utah, it's like it takes me back to on Trading Places. He said, hey, man, he gives all this elaborate what this watch is. And that man said, this is what this calls a St. Louis. Like, I don't care about it. You pining the watch. Right. And so I don't have that. And I'm not, if I, it's like you own a club, okay? It's guys that can come to your club and sell your club out, and then it's guys that come to the club and you paper the room, okay? Then it's guys, like when you're in the theater, you can scale a theater down. Some theaters hold 4,600 people, but you can scale it down to 2,000. But then the I'm not going to say if the room holds forty six hundred, I put two thousand tickets on sale. I didn't sell out the the theater. I sold what I put on sale. It was because I'm not to the point where I can get the forty six hundred yet. If I could sell the room out, then I would need to relish the real accomplishment versus the the lesser accomplishment. Inflating, yeah. And that's, and because I don't have this thing where I'm in competition with what happened before me. You know, so. With other people. So I'm in San Antonio. We at the theater. And, because people can make you feel bad about anything. If you, a person that feels bad, just think. So, Minnesota, it's all these people that's on the team that play for the Boston Celtics that are millionaires. They're already millionaires. They play in the league. Boston traded seven people to Minnesota for one person, Kevin Garnett. They got rid of seven human beings.

For one person. So it's like if I was a person that felt bad about my career, this would make me feel bad. Like the first person that they asked, okay, I'm going to trade this person for that person. They're like, no. Well, I'm going to give you two more people. They're like, no. And then I'm going to give you four more people. Okay. And a lottery pick. Okay. I'm going to feel horrible. They traded me for seven people. Y'all didn't even want me. Realistically. So Boston went, they got Kevin Garnett, I mean, yeah, Kevin Garnett and seven other millionaires. They got all this money, they got all this, they went to Minnesota. So if somebody wanted to make you feel bad about something, you know, they could if that's how you are. So I'm in San Antonio. The line is around the block. The place is sold out. it's the same sellout no matter who comes that lady said to my face you should have saw it when Matt Rife came I was like in my mind I was like and I asked I said was it a different theater she said no same theater so when Matt Rife came he sold it out I sold it out two nights I mean two days in the same night but her thing was you should have saw it when Matt Rife came I was like okay She probably wanted you to feel bad. I was like, but I'm not.

Good for you. Good for you, but the thing is a lot of people would. That's what it is. A lot of people are in competition with other people. I think you should be inspired by other people. If you want to compete in that way, be inspired. But the moment you turn it into a negative, it's like you're a fool. You're being a fool. Compete in charity. Also, inspiration is power. It's fuel. If you see someone doing well, you see someone set and you like it, that's fuel that makes you want to go work makes you want to get some shit done it makes you it gives you energy it may or it could cripple you if you're a dummy if you're a dummy and you get angry and you get bitter and then you just put all this negativity on the person who's doing

better than you which a lot of people do that's that's that's a weird that's a weird dynamics in this business when you know that it's going to be people do no matter what you're doing it's going to be somebody doing better than you. When I was in comedy clubs I remember being there and they were papering the room. Okay. I wasn't saying I was selling out. They was papering the room. I know out of all these, 300 people in there, 240 of these people came because it was freezing. They sent out their email blast. But then what I looked

that was they wanted to come yeah they wanted to come they're probably comedy fans which is why they were on the email list in the first place and then those people you give them a great show

they'll come back then the next time i came they didn't pay for the room they sold they sold the

tickets that's that's how it used to be man that was the old days before social media you would build a market so you would just show up at philadelphia once a year show up do your homework like make sure you got a tight set you've been practicing you're ready to rock you fuck these people up and then leave and then they're like can't wait till you guys are back again and then next time you come back you you know all right i built an audience now i got i can't disappoint these people i gotta get fired up and that's what it used to be it used to be a totally organic

thing across the whole country is it a is it a thing is it a difference in your opinion between me bringing my audience to a venue from whatever other thing that i do versus people coming that

don't know anything about me and me winning that person over versus the person yeah it's a different thing you know people are coming to see you specifically you've already won them over that's a different thing or they want to take a chance on you that's a different thing because have heard about you but when you know that that's a completely different thing because that's your you have an audience now you have fans when you are just performing at a club and it's a papered room you have an opportunity you have an opportunity to turn these people into fans you have an opportunity to give these people a great night and have a good time and also you're doing your fucking thing which is the most important thing of all everybody is results oriented i try to be process oriented when i with everything i do i'm process oriented i think about there's there's a goal that you got to reach but how do you get to that goal the way the way you get there is not thinking about the goal the way you get there is thinking about what you're doing what's the process the process is writing bits performing them tweaking them getting them tight knowing reviewing tapes going over your material going over

writing talking with friends and then every day it gets a little bigger every day it gets a little better every day that knife gets a little sharper that's the process that that's the process that

leads you to become whoever whoever you are and then you add other little pieces in that process i remember i um i was talking to bobby lee and me and bobby lee talking i said bobby you don't realize where you met me at and he's like well is this a good this is going to be a good story a lot of bad stories I said you you met me at um at the Houston Improv and they called me and asked me did I want to host a room that I already sell out you know what I'm saying they asked me did I want to host I said cool so I came and I hosted and I was not trying to but I was destroying his feature i'm just hosting we should not be hosting and especially at the houston improv but my thing was this was years this was years ago but i say bobby you didn't understand when the when i was hosting at the houston improv i was doing something that most people didn't understand without why i was even doing it well like what and they would see like why would you be hosting i said because i'm not going to be in front of bobby lee's audience but it's people that live in Houston, that his audience, that I have no idea who I am. I said, Bobby, but before you, I said, I was coming to the Houston Improv hosting for multiple people, and I was just winning over fans that would never have seen me if they wasn't coming to see you. They wouldn't be coming to my show. I said, so before that, it was, you were last, Bobby. It was you, and the week prior to that, it was Monster Brownie. And the week prior to that was, what's my girl, Angela Johnson. Angela Johnson. And before that, it was some random white guy. I said, I just came. And I want to do, I'm a comic. So me hosting was no big deal. I wasn't working. So I said, well, let me just come host it. That's what they want me to do. So I gained fans from four different audiences in a month. So when I came back, it was like, yo, I saw you with Miles Gibranee. And so I came back to see you when you put your show up. I'm like, cool. So my process, that was a part of my process. It didn't matter who I hosted for. And I was like, okay, cool. Let me go. When I hosted for Bill Burr. Bill Burr was like this is crazy we in Austin at the Paramount and I said the worst thing about this was that at the time I was wearing all black and I went to the show and when I walked on stage the first thing I said is hey I do not work here don't like eight people asked me where's the bathroom

I don't know I don't work but it was like I look like an usher

like yo i'm like yo this sucks you know but but it was a cool gig that's hilarious that's a smart approach i mean that's a great way to build especially if you're already headlining yeah i think i think that that thing about concentrating on the process people should try to apply that to everything you know um my friend john dudley who taught me uh archery he's a big believer in that being process oriented like because you get better at archery and he used to compete all over the world travel compete in archery tournaments i think that's the i think that applies to everything i think it applies to music i think that applies to everything the more i think one of the things that trips people up about social media a lot of these young guys in particular young people in particular is that they are thinking about other people and they are comparing themselves to other people and they are looking at those numbers and you're you're looking you're spending all of your energy if you have an allotted 100 units of energy in a day you're spending a disproportionate amount on things that don't empower you and actually kind of fuck your head up not good for you at all instead of saying wow i am chasing the fucking dream right i am out here being a professional comedian and i have a real chance to develop a real following if i put my time in i put my effort i really care and i really work hard i could sell out a theater one day that's possible like that's a goal it should be a goal just like getting your phd in chemistry or whatever the fuck it is your goal is but the process is what's important the process is like appreciating what you're doing why you're doing it and just bearing down and doing your best that's it that's it and in other people you look at them as inspiration Other people that are kicking ass, you know, don't go don't get become a hater. That shit is so bad for you I know so many dudes who have like hater tendencies, and they never excel Never it's the the counter thinking of an excellent person is a hater Someone is always trying to diminish people and downplay people and look at someone in the least charitable way And the worst possible way does some honor they're trying to make themselves feel better, but it doesn't work It does the opposite of work. It robs you. It robs you of your self-esteem. It robs you of your self-respect You're spending so much time thinking about this other dude. Like why it's a lot of it's a lot of energy

And my dad this one's this is one story that I did not put in the special that I should have And my dad had all these these thoughts and he was I literally say he was a crazy man but when you think about the things that he would say made sense my dad and why would you be telling me this at the age that but he just gave them i think i was like 11 and my dad out of nowhere to say you know something people been spending the same time and money on being fake when they can put that same time and money into being real yeah and i'm like i didn't know i understand what what that meant but as i got older if you spend any money or time faking something you could probably spend that money and time being real yeah about something yeah you know why go buy a fake necklace to act like you rich when you can go buy a real necklace if then at some point And, you know, be actually be rich, you know, if that's what you compare it to necklaces. But I just didn't understand it at the time. But then as I got older, I understood, like, why put this why put this time in to pretending when you can put that same energy and then become real at what you do. It makes no sense.

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a website or domain does the opposite and you know people the truth sometimes is is hurtful to people

the truth doesn't feel good you know to a lot of people unfortunately but you know you have to look

at it you have to have perspective but that's the ultimate hate right there that's the ultimate hate is for me to give you a falsehood instead of tell you the truth.

Right. That's the ultimate, it's the ultimate hate. Especially if you're making up a background for yourself. You're making up a story about your life that's not true. You're pretending you're somewhere in life that you're not. Yo, man, just do the thing. Just do the thing. Yeah, but it's hard for people. It's hard for people. And then there's a lot of people that think you just fake it until you make it. And then you hear stories. This guy, I had $500 in my bank account, but I told him I got this. I got that loan, and next thing you know, my business is making all this money. And you go, wow, he faked it until he made it, and it worked. And you think it's going to work, but it doesn't work most of the time.

That's so few and far between. Then they never tell you that that guy goes to jail later for fraud. Yes, 100%. 100%. The feds busted my house three years later and took everything. You're like, okay.

Exactly. Like, when they arrested Carlos Mencia recently for, like, all his counts of tax fraud, I was like, okay. I don't want that to happen to him, but there it is. Right? I mean, that's what it is.

I'm not laughing at Carlos Mencia. I'm just laughing at the fact that you're like, yeah, when they busted.

I mean, it didn't bring me any joy to see that. I don't like anybody getting arrested for taxes. I think taxes, until they have an accurate account of where the fucking money goes, and until you completely eliminate all fraud and waste, what the fuck are you doing locking people up for not paying taxes? Like, you guys should get locked up for not doing a good job with our money.

So what do you think about all the new purchases and redoing the White House and all this with tax dollars?

Did they do it with tax dollars? How much money did they spend in tax dollars to do the ballroom? Let's find out. They need a ballroom, though. That's how that guy snuck in with a gun, because they tried to do that White House correspondence dinner in a hotel. That dude who got arrested a few months back.

What's this resolution, the pool, something full of algae right now that we spit on it?

Yeah, I don't know about that. That's something about making the pool look nice, whatever that is, reflecting pool. Yeah, the reflecting pool. Reports indicate the new White House East Wing Ballroom is projected to cost about $600 million with roughly half, just over $300 million coming from taxpayer-funded government accounts, despite earlier promises that it would be taxpayer-free. $300 million sounds like a lot until you find out how much money they spend on other things. When you find out just how much fraud is in NGOs, how much fraud is in nonprofits, how much fraud is in insider trading and propping up companies so that they can get better deals. The whole thing is fraud.

The thing is, if you're spending, I understand how much money goes in other things, But if you're spending any money that's my money that I don't know that I need it or that's not really the aim, the goal. You should be able to vote on it. You should be able to vote.

You should be able to vote on where all your tax money goes.

How much tax money is being spilled on getting smart people in places, making smart children?

That's the big one.

That's the thing.

The big one is if you look at our country as a community, and that's what we're supposed to be doing. We're supposed to be the United States of America. All that bullshit aside. That was the one good thing that happened about 9-11 when 9-11 happened after that We were all united. It was crazy. It was crazy We realized like we are actually on a team. So if we're on a team Why do we have these deeply impoverished neighborhoods for decades and decades that are riddled with crime and drug abuse? Why? Is it impossible to fix? That's crazy. That's not true It's just no one's tried to fix it no one's done any effort to fix it and if you did fix it

You want to make America great. Here's the best way. Less losers. And how do you get less losers? More opportunities for people. More opportunities, more support, more education, more everything that you need if that was your neighborhood. And if we did that, we'd have to switch the way our system runs. But that could be done, man. You don't have to have losers. Not that many.

That's the thing about make America great, right? if you're trying to make anything great don't you need intelligent people to do that of course that's the number one thing so when we have all these divisive people that that's on a lower vibration how is that making the the the country the country great if we're putting people in position that don't have the experience or the education in those in those things and then we just saying a bunch of divisive things you know yeah you know it is it was if if i'm watching the the extravaganza that happened in the white house what was the thing michelle obama is a man like how did that help how did that help that guy says that every time he but what is the what is the the thing first of all it's it's really divisive because you know that a large portion of the country is going to take this, is going to have a problem with this. You know, clearly she's not a man. You know what I'm saying? But it makes no sense, like, to I've never seen this many people say so many damaging things about a past president. It's like he's still on the forefront and it's not like we have a president that's doing the greatest job for this country, you know, which is weird a weird thing to me. And people are going to ass is that what's the belief that's the that's the real belief of people that's the real thing

well listen there's some crazy people that believe the world is flat there's a lot of dumb beliefs there's probably people that do believe michelle obama's a man what that guy does he's like a pro wrestler like he's got a character called the incredible hulk it's very corny in a lot of ways sometimes it's you know cringy but the point is he gets a lot of attention a lot of attention because of all this that's what he's doing so what he's trying to do is maximize the amount of attention that he can get for a very short window of career this is not how he really feels how he really thinks when you talk to him in real life he's very reasonable this is an act that he does like a pro wrestling act but what he can do is fight he's really good and that's what's so confusing about it all so you got this guy who's created like this fake persona where he puts on an american flag bandana comes out to hulk hogan music does all his interviews with sunglasses on has a bunch of crazy silly rhymes and says ridiculous shit just trying to get attention the most amount of attention so it's it is very divisive don't get me wrong but that's by design

so he's hulk hogan and randy savage in the same in the actual fighter and a really fucking good

one man he just knocked out derrick lewis at the white house derrick lewis has the most knockouts and the history of the sport.

Don't do that, Joe. Don't do what? Don't say they're so excited because Derrick Lewis go to the same gym, Main Street Boxing Gym in Houston. I'm very close to that. Dude, I love Derrick Lewis. I don't like the fact that Derrick Lewis lost that fight.

I think Derrick of 10 years ago would have been a real fucking problem for that dude because Derrick of 10 years ago, you couldn't hold him down. He would just get up. There's a whole compilation of people trying to hold Derrick Lewis down. He just gets a hand on you and just whoop. His grip, they did that UFC grip thing where they test the grip. Everybody's like 140. The strong ones are like 160, 190. Derek just squeezed it casual, 218. And they were like, what the fuck?

So you see how problematic this was for me. You already beat my friend. And then you turn around and say. He beat a 40-year-old Derek Lewis. A 40-year-old Derek Lewis. Then turn around and say, Michelle Obama's the man. I was like, okay, you know something.

I know what you're saying.

I'm pissed.

Listen, you're right. I'm like, I'm pissed. You're right. But I'm telling you, if you met that dude in real life, you would get it. He's just a dude. He's just a guy who is a competitive wrestler, played in the NFL, and he's like, I got to do something to figure out how to get people to pay attention to me because it can't just be fighting. It's not enough. If you look at Conor McGregor, you look at Sugar Sean O'Malley, you look at these guys that have these flamboyant personalities, these big personalities. They get Cassius Clay's the original example. They get an immense amount of attention and that translates into much more money and much more opportunities. There's no fucking way that guy would have gotten that fight at the White House if he couldn't fight because the fight that he had before that he fought Curtis Blades, who was a top 10 UFC heavyweight.

huge wrestler and they went to war dude i mean he put it on him for three fucking rounds like curtis just has an insane heart and survived it but that guy can fucking fight but just that alone is not enough but you got to get attention i don't agree with it i don't i wouldn't do it it's not my

thing i don't like it right but i get it and it's smart with muhammad ali though he was very respectful in his in his in his act you know to get attention you know just like he wasn't yes i

mean he wasn't with other people but he would show up at fucking sunny liston's house and scream about him on his fucking front lawn at four in the morning he did wild crazy shit he he did he did a lot of why he was just all about getting your heart rate up getting your emotions in there he was so fucking smart he knew before everybody that you could just get somebody into a frenzy and they wouldn't be able to sleep. Their whole life revolved around fighting you and I can't let this guy beat me and the fear of losing, he's going to keep you weak. It's going to keep you, you're not going to be able to eat as much food. You're going to feel nervous.

But you see what happened when somebody called him Cassius Clay.

Oh, yeah.

Oh, yeah.

Who was that? What fighter was that? He kept punishing him, saying it's my name.

Your mama named Clay, I'm going to call you. But that didn't work out for him. He beat the sleeves off him.

He beat the piss out of him and he carried him. he carried him while he was beating his ass dude he was uh a special special guy it's you know i'm not comparing him in terms of his cultural significance to josh hokett because you know he was uh my parents my mother and my stepfather were hippies they never watched fighting but when he had a rematch with leon spinks that's how much of a cultural figure he was they wanted him to beat leon spanks oh my god he's gotta win he's gotta win hippies sitting in front of the fucking MTV in like 1970, whatever it was crazy. They have Italian hippies Well, they were hippies, but you know my grandmother went to jail for running numbers for the mob so it's like there was a lot of Okay, there's a lot of Yeah, grandma went away for a little bit

she wouldn't rat him out so she did some time i was at a i was at a show one time and i said um where are all the africans at in in here and this italian dude he's from sicily he raised his hand and i said and the people like why is he raising him like he knows he knows he knows

yeah there's a really good reason why Sicilians have darker hair curly hair darker skin

and that's all I said he knows and people who got it they was like and at that point it's like when people don't know that you have some sort of level of intelligence and he was like oh okay Like, yeah. It's a big thing. But that's funny, though. Italian hippies. But my grandmother also.

Well, yeah, there was a lot of hippies back then, man. And I think the original idea behind it was great. And I was just watching this thing today about the CIA and LSD and what they did. It was really funny, man. It was a... That video? Yeah, that cute animal day. I saw it, too. Isn't that dope? See if you can find it. Put it up, because it's kind of cool. There's conveniently an MKUltra hearing going on right now. Oh, how convenient. I know. Listen, bro, I got it right here, Jamie. I'll send it to you. They 100% are still doing that. No ifs, ands, or buts. If you think they did that in the 60s and they 100% did, if they're doing mind control experiments on people and they're influencing people's opinions and half of the reason why people are at odds with each other all day long online is probably government intervention at one point or some government's intervention. If not ours, Russia and China.

The CIA created the hippie movement, and your mom's favorite band probably helped them. In the 1950s, the CIA bought up the world's supply of LSD. They brought it to the pharmaceutical company Eli Lilly, who reverse-engineered it, giving them an unlimited supply and a complete monopoly. Then the testing started. One early volunteer for these tests was Ken Kesey. Kesey wrote a book inspired by this experience, which became a bestseller. Then Kesey went on to host events, which he called Acid Tests. And he wasn't charging anyone, he just wanted people to show up and do acid. For these events, he hired an unknown house band called The Grateful Dead. These events became wildly popular and with them rose the popularity of the band. So The Grateful Dead begins touring and Kesey follows them around in a bus from show to show. And everywhere he went, he brought a vat full of... Kool-Aid laced with LSD. This guy had a seemingly endless supply, exporting the hippie culture all around the U.S. Meanwhile, the CIA is flooding college campuses with LSD under the guise of research, and the Grateful Dead was just one of many bands in this movement. At the same time, in Laurel Canyon came a wave of musicians with something in common. They were all children of high-ranking military officials. The biggest names in music, Jim Morrison of the Doors was the son an admiral. Frank Zappa's father was a chemical warfare specialist. Even Crosby, Stills, and Nash. Yeah, all three of them. And all of these bands as well. The theory is the CIA orchestrated the hippie movement to steer a very real anti-war movement into something a little easier to combat. Descent without teeth. The hippie slogan was literally, turn on, tune in, and drop out. In other words, do acid and remove yourself from society. And a lot of them did drop out a society to go live in communes in the woods this intersection between hippie culture and the cia could all be a great big coincidence maybe military brats naturally want to rebel and maybe the cia was giving away acid because they're chill like that maybe cia created the hippie movement and your mom's favorite band probably helped them yeah isn't that wild that's

crazy that's wild they also had a big influence on gangster rap big influence on promoting gangster oh for sure a hundred percent proven 100 100 yeah you rather they wanted to fill prisons you

want you want to push that over anything else you know because we can look at how rap music changed and when it changed you know 1992 yeah after 1992 they was like no more positive

rap well it was whenever straight out of compton came out because i was in boston at the time i would remember to the day it happened but straight out of compton

wasn't a drug-filled induced album. It was, if you look at some of the songs, you look at a lot of the songs that was on that album, it was rebellious songs against the system, you know?

Yeah, fuck the police.

And then 1992, man, when they decided, yo, we don't want no more De La Soul, we don't want no more Tribe Called Quest, we don't want no, you get them leather medallions out of your... It's like, yo, we need, like, yo, like, self-destruction and West Coast All-Stars, they was like, what? They coming together? Hell no. You know, we need this to be divisive. We need them to separate. And that's crazy that the biggest times that I've experienced this country being together was the Olympics. when the Dream Team came, 9-11, and COVID. That's the biggest time, the three biggest times I've ever even seen us together.

Yeah, because we need something. We need something that's real. We need some sort of an event that makes us realize, first of all, the fragility of life. That's important. And we have to realize that we're all supposed to be a part of a team.

and we you can't play on a team if your teammates don't think that you that you valuable not only

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This is how I see. That's not a good team. This is how I see with parenting. it's hard to parent if your number one goal is survival it's hard to parent you know you gotta parent from a comfortable space you can't parent from nervous chickens really don't lay eggs that's true so the thing is you if like the way I parent now versus how my mom my mom was strictly survival We'll see you next time. So my thing is survival first, you know what I'm saying, then the rest of it. You know, I don't remember going to, um, on vacation with my parents, you know, like vacation, what? Your mom working two jobs and going to school, trying to better, she's just taking care of

Right.

you. So I'm not, my kids go on vacation, you know, it's different, you know? So I see things from both sides all the time, which makes me grateful. I'm grateful that I can do the things I can do with my family versus parenting from a place of frustration. But I understand this frustration thing. I'm trying to take care of you. And then sometimes I look at my kids like, you know something, you have it really easy. because if I wouldn't have washed them dishes, my mom would have destroyed me.

You know what I'm saying?

Because her mindset is, hey, I'm trying to take care of y'all. Y'all got the help in this. You know, with me, it's like we have a housekeeper. You know what I'm saying? The housekeeper come here four days out of the week, you know, and now I'm like, so you just going to throw that stuff on the floor and you making it hard for the housekeeper? You know, the reason why she's here four days a week is sort of make your life easier, but you're adding on to— By being lazy. By being lazy.

Like, I don't— There's a balancing act, right? You want to protect your children, but you don't want them to develop soft. You want them to be able to take care of their own problems, and you want them to be able to understand the consequences of their actions. So this is like fine line of like encouragement and punishment and like explaining to them how your life was different and you have to appreciate this life. This is very unusual. You're super fortunate. But I think ultimately what they learn from is how you behave. That's a giant part of being a parent that people I don't think are totally aware of until you start doing it. Whatever the fuck you say is one thing. That's great. What you do is what they really say. And if you're a lazy fucker who's always making excuses, your kids are going to not have respect for you. They're going to know real early on you're kind of full of shit.

This is the craziest thing, though. You know how hard it is to put someone on punishment and then say, hey, Pac, we going to Cabo.

He's like, am I on punishment or are we going to Cabo? You don't get your iPad for 16 hours.

when we get to Cabo you stay in your room and overlook the ocean and think about your consequences as you order room service drinking Coca-Cola eating french fries lamb chops coming to the room you're on punishment so I can't have oysters

you hear the birds chirping

looking at the waves Like, it's rough. And it's a certain part of success that you almost can't punish. Because it's like, I'm not staying at home because you don't punish me. See, my mom was, she, ah, it's just different, you know. It's different. My mom was going to her room and turn on Naslan and the Dynasty. And I'm in my room with no TV. Because it was only one TV. It's a TV in every room. You know what I mean? The punishment was come in here and watch Falcon Crest with me. What? I don't want to watch no Falcon Crest. And then you start watching Falcon Crest and now you love it. You're like, so when is it coming on again? You get addicted to the character. That's why I like M.A.S.H. You know what I mean? I would be in trouble and you're watching M.A.S.H. and Bonanza and then all of a sudden you love M.A.S.H. I cried when MASH went out.

Do you remember the dude who dressed up like a girl in MASH, Jamie Farr? Yeah. He was my neighbor. I was your neighbor? Yeah. Wow. Back in California. He lived right next door, two houses down. Wow. Clinger. It used to be just me and him, and then another guy built a house in between us. He was cool. Very friendly guy.

Played a good character. That was a good show. Yeah, MASH was a very good show. You know, and I said this the other day to a friend of mine. I said, like, I listen. I used to ride and take my kids to school and listen to morning shows. You know, really Tom Joyner. You know, listen to Tom Joyner. And this is something I can listen to with my kids. Now there's... There's no morning shows that I can listen to with my children without them putting in a different element that I don't want my kids to be a part of. You know, that's a weird thing that they cursing on radio and doing all this other stuff. Well, they can't curse on radio still. Oh, yes, they can.

Can they? They change it?

They'll drop a B word in a minute.

Oh, a B word. Yeah. But that's it. you can't say fuck

but the rest of it you got daughters you're in the car

and you're hearing some shit you don't want them to hear

that's a weird thing so they go to school and they say you watching the B damn that was the ending of the show so now you just we ride and listen to Keisha Cole. He was in with No Talk. Oh, I listened to NPR. I listened to Urban Network. You know, for them to listen. Now they got all these political questions and, you know, when you're five-year-old, like, so why aren't we voting? Oh. It's because you've been listening to Karen Hunter the whole time on the way to school or from school. So, it's weird how you what shows would you sit down and watch with your kids now you know they had to watch the shows that i grew up watching you know you got to go back you got to watch perry mason and family matters and you know the cosby show you know different world we had to go back and watch good times you know can't watch the current things you know so you know even with with comedy i took i took Kassan to a comedy show with me to see some friends. And he was 14 at the time. And we left because it was no, it was nothing. The things that were being said, it kind of made me go back to when, um, Cosby did the story about his son going to see Eddie Murphy. And he's daddy said these things. And I was sitting there like, after the first two minutes, I'm like, yo, we got to get out of here. How old was he at the time? 14. 14.

That's too young.

And I'm like, yo, man.

But, I mean, the guy who's doing comedy is doing comedy for adults that are drinking in a nightclub, right?

No, we was at an event where it was all these bodybuilders. The gym, Next Level, had did a show for all the people that work out there and the trainers. and I'm thinking okay this is at a ballroom you know it's probably gonna be pretty cool and I stopped in you know we sat in the back and then it went left and I was like hey man let's get out of here and he's seen me and so he's like no this ain't this ain't the same I'm like yeah I'm not I'm not going for a certain type of laugh I'm not doing shock value you know so he's watched almost all the specials you know so it's not the same for him you know and he knows a lot of comics so it's not this wasn't conducive I was like Hasan we out we out of here but it's some comics you can go and you can watch their whole show like Marcus D. Wiley he can get an understanding of at least marriage you know how marriage ago to give you some some fuel but i think the the landscape of of comedy is different for different people not knocking the people who do shock value or uh or a lot of sexual content that that's their that's their stick you know and they probably young and at some point they'll grow hopefully they'll grow and it'll be more things in life to talk about people like well how do you had this many specials um because i have a life you know i had a life before that i talked about and then i have a life a current life that you know i'm still experiencing things so i'm going to talk about things that that's that's a little different because i'm i'm living and i'm not stuck in sex is not the the number one thing i remember i when i when i figured that i was sex wasn't that big when i went to you know they had the thing netflix and chill and i actually wanted to watch the movie get your hand off my leg i'm trying to watch this movie you're saying so it's a it's a thing about the development in this game of how you grow and what you think about well i think comedy

is just one of the problems with the label is that there's no genres. It's not like blues comedy, rock and roll comedy, hip-hop comedy, EDM comedy. It's just comedy. You don't know what it is. It's just different people's perspective on things. And there's different kinds of comedy that people like. Some people are giant Richard Pryor fans. Some people are Sam Kinison fans. Some people are Jerry Seinfeld fans. And some people love Bonnie Raitt. And some people love, you know, whatever James Brown fill in the blank There's a lot of different styles of music and there's a lot of different styles of comedy and All that I care is that you enjoy what you're doing and you're doing it because you enjoy it And if you're doing that, I don't give a fuck. I don't give a fuck what you're doing I don't care if you have props I don't care if you write signs and hold them up for the crowd. I don't give a shit what you're doing I don't care if you do impressions. I don't give a fuck what you're doing that that was a

a huge so when talk about the scope of comedy you know I'm I can start with Carol Burnett and I watched that but the the guy who I watched on HBO a lot I knew I wasn't gonna do that type of stand-up it was that was just a whole different thing but Gallagher was crazy to me crazy that was the crazy everybody wore plastic in the garbage bags around the next front but six rows yeah just

He was getting splattered with watermelons and pineapples and coconuts and whatever the fuck he was. Cabbage. Ridiculous. Ridiculous. But he also had some good jokes. Yeah. Some solid jokes in between then. Dude did a ton of specials.

Yeah.

You know the craziest story, the Gallagher story, is Gallagher retired and his brother took over. His brother was Gallagher 2. So he had a brother that kind of looked like Gallagher. I remember that. Right? I remember Gallagher 2. And then somewhere down the line, Gallagher decided he wants to start doing comedy again. And he's like, hey, Gallagher 2, the gig is up.

And he's like, no, no, no, no, no. I'm making money. I'm Gallagher 2.

I think there was some sort of a legal dispute. Find out if that's correct. There was a legal dispute between them. Gallagher's younger brother, Ron, who shared a strong likeness to Leo, asked him for permission to perform shows using Gallagher's trademark Sledge-O-Matic routine. Leo granted his permission on the condition that Ron and his manager clarified in promotional materials that this was Ron Gallagher, not Leo Gallagher, who was performing. Ron typically performed in venues smaller than those of which Leo Gallagher performed. After several years, Ron began promoting his act as Gallagher II or Gallagher TOO or TWO. In some instances, Ron's act was promoted in a way that left unclear the fact that he was not the original Gallagher. Leo initially responded by requesting only that his brother not use the sledge-o-matic routine.

You can't use the fucking, you can't use the sledgehammer.

Ron nonetheless continued to tour as Gallagher, too, using the routine. In August 2000, Leo sued his brother for trademark violations and false advertising. The court ultimately sided with Leo and granted an injunction prohibiting Ron from performing any act that impersonated his brother in small clubs and venues. This injunction also prohibited Ron from intentionally bearing likeness to Leo. What? Imagine you can't look like your brother. You can't. Cut your mustache. Yeah, you got to change your mustache. You got to get rid of the beard. That's crazy. So did Gallagher continue with his career after he kicked his brother out? Did he come back? Probably. Was that part of it?

Yeah, I think. I don't know.

But does it say it there? Didn't say it here.

Not specifically in this paragraph, no.

When did Gallagher start performing again? Put that in a search. See what it says. Because I think he did start performing again.

Yeah, he says he was rushed to the hospital after performance in 2011. Oh.

Okay. And what year did he sue his brother?

2000.

Oh, so he did start doing comedy again. So that's it. Yeah. So he's like, hey, motherfucker.

Yeah, he had a special in 2007 and 2014.

Yeah, you can't be doing that with Gallagher, too, running around, siphoning off of your crowd. You know, people are like, honey, you want to spend 50 bucks and see Leo? Or do you want to spend 20 bucks and see basically the same shit? See Ron smashing fucking cabbage. This episode is brought to you by Netflix. The T-Mobile Home Run Derby is one of those events that reminds you of how explosive baseball can be. It doesn't get better than watching the game's biggest sluggers launch baseballs into another dimension. Home runs only. One night to make history just raw power on display as they chase home run.

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Then you had a carrot top.

And imagine saying, yeah, you can perform, but you can't use a sledgehammer.

I would use a mallet. What about a mallet? Can I use a mallet?

Can I use a baseball bat? Can I just have someone pitch me things and I smash them into the crowd?

Yeah.

You can't own that.

That's a different thing. I'm handing out oranges and tomatoes in the audience.

Yeah, I honestly, I don't give a fuck what you do, as long as you like what you're doing. It's like I love certain kinds of music that's completely opposite to other shit that I love. I mean, I like all kinds of stuff. I don't think you should pigeonhole yourself with anything. But I would not take my kids, especially when they're really young, to see someone who's very sexual or really rowdy or really raunchy.

You know, the caveat to this is he was in the green room and they were looking right at him. Like they introduced it late. And I'm like, tell me what you're, I didn't know they act.

Oh, so he didn't say, hey, bro, you got young kids? Yeah, hey, man.

Because I would say, hey, man, tonight, you know. Right. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Set an event, bro.

Oh, I would definitely do that. Especially if you were another comic and you brought your kids out. Like, bro.

Yeah, because Juan Villarreal used to bring his kids. There's like seven minutes on dick sucking. Like, yo, you know how to get him out of here.

They don't need to know about all these techniques.

Yeah, so that's weird.

Yeah, that is weird. But you know what I mean? I mean, it's like time and a place. Like, who is he doing it for? I mean, they probably knew what he did before they hired him. They probably wanted that. Someone's a fan, which is fine, but just don't invite kids.

And like I said, I didn't, all I did was, hey, Hasan, let's go. And that's it. I didn't, hey, y'all should have been. I'm like, hey, man, do what you do. But I'm getting my kid out of here. And then you get the phone call. Hey, man, why you leave? You don't really want to know why. I'm leaving because you are terrorizing my childhood. You know what I'm saying? So, yeah, it no, but I definitely wouldn't take my girls to, like, nothing. I'm like, nothing. They don't need to see that.

They don't need to see that early.

Not at all.

My wife got mad at me when I think one of my daughters was six and the other one was eight. I had them watch the movie Alien. You ever see that movie Alien, the original movie? Yeah. Fucking terrifying. And I was like, this is too young. This is too young. I fucked up.

You know, I think Hassan watched Annabelle when he was young. Oh, Annabelle's creepy. It was, he was traumatized. He was watching at somebody else's house with some other kids, and they were like, I guess they understood. But Hassan was, it was a whole problem. Like, you talking about sleeping with all the lights on in the house? Like, I want all the lights on, and I'm sleeping in your bed.

Do you ever go to that place in Vegas? It's Haunted Me, Zach Baggins, Haunted Museum. He has the Annabelle doll there. Wow. Yeah. There it is. Which one is the one on the right? Oh, hell no. That's the real one? That's Racket. Is the one on the left the movie one? Yeah. Oh, really? Yeah. Interesting.

Wow. So that Annabelle is both on creepy as hell to me, but.

Well, there's something kind of extra creepy about the one with eyes like a person. The left one. That's insane. You believe in ghosts? Yes. Really? Have you had experience?

um no oh no no no no i it i have let me go back let me let me say that i do believe in ghosts so my old house where my mom stayed

that now it's a girl that lives there you know i don't know what happened at this house but it's definitely a girl that lives in the house but she would only come from like the hallway bathroom to the kitchen and i remember doing the pandemic wait a minute you say girl you mean a ghost yeah that's a girl okay she's definitely a girl and i remember being during the pandemic i was in the then and i was working on i was working on something and literally i just turned and said so you up huh and because i could feel her i was like yo but and i had to go back through my family a lot of people in my family have experiences with past relatives that passed on my uncle said he saw his dad which my grandfather in his shoes and my mom said she saw my grandfather before and that lived in that died in the house that they had in Mississippi but yeah I believe in ghosts. I believe in unsettled spirits. But we definitely had a girl that lived in that house.

My grandmother the one I was telling you about before she was very interesting and she she really strongly believed in ghosts and there was a guy that stayed with them for a while. They had a like an upstairs area that they weren't using once the kids left and so they rented out like it was like an attic space that they had converted or so i forget exactly what it was anyway they rented out a room to this guy wherever the circumstances were and he died and my grandmother swore that that dude stayed in the house yeah i believe it i think it's possible that if something happens to you that if you're dying, it's a very traumatic experience. And I have a feeling that we don't totally understand memory. And we assume that memory is something that only human beings have, or that only animals have, or that only creatures, living creatures have. I don't think that's real. I have a feeling there may be a type of memory from particularly traumatic experiences that stays in a space and i think this is one of the reasons why they have to disclose within a certain amount of time someone's been murdered in the house in a lot of places before you buy it because people don't want to live in a house that's got that energy in it because i think i think things keep energy i think they do they i think there's something more to memory than just as simple as oh remember when we were five i think there's something else there i think i think that's our memory but i think there's a type of memory in things that's what i think i believe in the

unseen world so i believe in genes you know i believe in angels you know so it's an unseen world that's not you know our thing but it was things that was things here before us you know so i think there's things here with us yeah definitely with us and people who don't think

that haven't smoked dmt but i definitely get old get a hold of some dmt and you're like okay i don't know shit there's things around me all the time there's things that are influencing you all the time and this is like when we talk about like good energy and bad energy one of the things you experience in psychedelic states is a clear recognition of like good things you've done and bad things you've done good the good way of thinking the good way you think about things a positive way and bad like i remember having negative thoughts in an experience once and it was all these like dark fractals and then i realized it was trying to show me that these dark fractals these crazy geometric these like scary patterns that i was seeing was because of my own thoughts and then i released them and it turned into beautiful geometric patterns over and over and it kept saying like look at this and look at this and i was like oh Oh, it's actually the way you think changes the world around you. It has an effect. It might not have the ultimate effect. It might not be 100% of what happens to you and in your life, but it has a meaningful effect. We just can't measure it. And there's things that are out there, whatever they are, they have some kind of consciousness that are around us all the time. We just don't have the senses to take them in. Just like when you wave your hand over an earthworm and has no fucking idea you're doing that. We don't have the senses to understand that there's things around us. And people have been writing about these things for so long to discount them all. They're all liars. They're all delusional. They're all crazy.

I think that people discount them due to thinking that they were on drugs.

Well, they probably were. But it doesn't mean they're wrong.

It doesn't mean it wrong. You know, like a drunk really don't tell a lot of lies. drunk don't tell a lot I'm drunk I can't remember all that

saying what it is right it was and but when you when people like LSD you know you hallucinate you know or mushrooms or these things people like well you only saw that because you was on this but maybe that's the portal on how you see

certain things I think there's certain things that we block ourselves from being able to see by our own protective instincts we protect our thoughts I mean This is why people, I think, get paranoid when they smoke weed. One of the things that weed does is it dissolves all these artificial barriers that you've put between you and the thoughts of real danger. They're all there. You realize your vulnerability. You realize who you are.

So just think of how years ago, how weed was viewed, how marijuana was viewed. It was taught that marijuana is the gateway drug to crack. Right. I didn't believe that. like how does that even correlate but it's for those who are trying to find an ultimate high maybe you just smoke weed and that's all you ever did you know and you wasn't trying to find another high I think some people try to find another high like now man a lot of these young people are on so many different things at the same time. Like, what are you searching for? You know, they popping pills, doing coke, drinking lean, doing everything all at the same time. Like, what is, and drinking. Like, what are you trying to escape or what are you searching for? You know, and I just know people who just smoke weed and still smoke joints. They don't smoke the, I know people who grow their own bud. They're not even trusting what's going on now now they're finding fentanyl and all this marijuana you know and pesticides

horrible pesticides because what people don't know is that a giant percentage of all the drugs or marijuana rather that people are buying in places where it's illegal they're growing them in national forests in california and the cartel's doing it and the cartel uses a bunch of pesticides and herbicides that are illegal, like real toxic shit. And they find them doing it all the time. They find these grow-ops in the forest all the time because it's a misdemeanor. So because marijuana is legal in the state of California, growing it is just a misdemeanor. So you could have a full-scale grow-op in, you know, public land out in the forest. And these guys find them there all the time. A friend of mine found one in a ranch that he works at. He followed these pvc pipes and he realized that some guy was diverting water into this little area that was on a tohone ranch which is a big ranch outside of makersfield but um this dude that was on my podcast for his name is john norris he wrote a book about it he was a game warden and he had a it turned into a tactical unit they had to get like dogs like belgian malinois and shit with bulletproof vests and they're going in there having shootouts with the cartel because the cartel that set up these marijuana grow ops in the woods and it was his job to police that area it's like okay i guess that's what we're doing now and then they it's a crazy story man sound

like moonshine it's that's why you exactly exactly and this thing moonshine moonshine

developed into nascar exactly exactly they had to outrun the cops yeah yeah that's what nascar came about from it's fun it's i mean listen also it's al capone you know it's uh all the the mob they were all running alcohol and there's a lot of people that were connected to them you know some people believe that jfk's dad was involved in alcohol but that's disputed but the point is like a lot of people were making money selling alcohol they were all criminals all of them and so what are you doing are you stopping people from getting marijuana nope what you're doing is you are empowering a criminal empire and you're giving them an immense amount of money and they're probably gonna have to kill a few people because people get in the way they're probably gonna have to rob a few people because people are competition there's a little bit of

problem over here we got another guy growing when we live in we live in a society where the bad guy is definitely romanticized right so how do you stop people from wanting to be the bad guy when it's so romanticized in in everything you know it's romanticized to the point where

john wick is a good guy yeah john wick is a contract killer for the russian mob he kills who knows how many fucking people and he's the good guy but but you got a problem with

the ice man right right right the ice man was a terrible person right you know he did it with John Wick at least looks sexy in that suit, but you cannot wait for John Wick six

to come out I love those well the John Wick movie though he had a reason they killed his dog and they stole his car they fucked up they fucked up they stole the wrong guy's car and they killed the wrong guy's puppy and so you're rooting for him you're rooting for him to kill all these bad Russian guys but you don't realize that guy's been a contract killer for the Russian mob for who knows how how many dads is he assassinated how many fucking people that have families that will never come home to them because of John Wick

and yep and sometimes a lot of times you know people don't care we don't know it's weird well we're weird we're a weird animal

we're a weird animal in a constant flux of thoughts and we you know trying to figure out what's the right way to think and the wrong way to think and people join religions for it they'll join cults for it they'll join political movements for it they just want to find a way to think that

makes them feel better than the way they think right now you know with with the need to feel better outside of yourself, you know, or your family, you know, or being, you know, great to society. I think that's detrimental to this society where I just, I personally need to feel better, but I don't want the community around me to feel better. And in my mind, if everybody around you in the community feels better, I think it makes for a more harmonious, you know, environment than me just being the only one.

Yeah, but that's because you're a wise person. The problem is there's a lot of people that aren't wise and there's no one wise around them. and that's that's the real issue is that there's a extreme lack of like a a good direction book of how to lead a solid life you're not taught at school school you're taught to sit down and learn some shit that you don't give a fuck about learning memorize this do good on the test you got to get a job what's a job well you got to sit there and do some shit you don't want to do to get some money and with the rest of your time you can do whatever you want as long as you keep showing up every morning at the same spot okay and then that sucks and so what do you want to do i want to escape this suck so what do i need cold syrup okay give me some of that what do i need weed give me some of that adderall oh adderall makes me like the job okay i'll take this shit every day now i don't give a fuck now i'm trying to get ahead next thing you know i'm moving up the corporate ladder and i'm a fucking animal bro because i'm on adderall you're basically on meth you're on a well-designed slow drip amphetamine and you're out there fucking sleeping four hours a day getting shit done you know driving a jaguar and this is the problem with society is it like people don't have a real there's a lot of people out there that don't really have a purpose they don't have a real feeling of purpose in their life you are very fortunate because you found a thing that you're really good at, that you love to do, and you make a great living doing it. A lot of people don't have a thing, and they never were taught to pursue a thing, or they never saw anybody else do it, and they realized they could do it too. And then next thing you know, they're married, and they have kids, and they're in their 30s, and then they're in their 40s, and they feel like shit. Ask your question. This episode is brought to you by Visible. It's officially summer, folks, and boy, what a summer we are having. It feels like one of those good old-fashioned summers where you just want to enjoy every moment and keep up with the action. Your best companion this summer? Visible Wireless. Visible gives you unlimited 5G data and unlimited hotspot powered by Verizon for just $25 a month. So you can make this the summer of fun and savings. Visible is more than just a wireless plan. It's unlimited wireless designed to always keep you connected with no contract to tie you down. Switch today at Visible.com, plan start at $25 a month, or get our premium Visible Plus Pro plan and save $10 on your first month when you use promo code ROGAN. Terms apply. See Visible.com for plan features and network management details. This episode is brought to you by LifeLock. Identity theft costs more than you think. That's why LifeLock is backed by the Million Dollar Protection Package, which covers up to $3 million for the most comprehensive plan.

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You have a team, correct? Team of people. Team of people.

Sure. Okay. Would, do you think your team is happy doing whatever they do for the team?

If I didn't think that they wouldn't be working. Okay. So you don't want to be the only one happy on the team. No, that's terrible.

And you don't want to also have someone on the team that is one of those people that just is never happy. That's a problem, too. Yeah. That's a problem, too. There's people out there you can't fix.

So with, like, I produce other people's specials now. And comics have hit me. Hey, man, I want you to distribute my special. I want you to do this with my special. And the hardest thing, because I'm a small company, the hardest thing is when I have to explain to somebody why it's a no on this particular special. And it's not just my no. It is for other people's no, because I tell people and I explain this, if we're doing a special with you, you have to get the approval of all five of us because we all five do different things. And I want everybody who's involved in your special to want to do it, not they have to do it because it's a part of the company. No, I want them to want to do it. And I say, I'm not putting you through a process that I'm not putting myself through. And I've tested this team with me giving them a special that I knew that wasn't special. And I'm the head. I'm like, I sent it out, and we brought it back to the table. And it was a lot of silence at first. I'm like, so what were we thinking? and they was like I don't know I think this is horrible I'm just listening to everybody's you know opinion on it and they was like I don't understand the direction I don't understand where you're going with this we're going to have to fix a lot of it and I'm just sitting there listening and we took the vote and when we turned the vote in it was five no's and they was like so what was your take on it I said I knew it was a no from the beginning I just wanted to make sure that y'all wasn't going to try to fluff me because he's the head, we're going to say yes. And I'm like, good. So anytime we do a project, I put it on the table just like I put anybody else's project on the table. And you got to get all five people. If you want me to finance, you got to get me. Then you got to get the marketing person that's going to market. Then you got to get the director. You got to get the manager. You got to get everybody. so they can feel good about pushing your project. I don't want anybody pushing a project that they don't like.

That's very smart. Yeah, so you make it a democracy.

Smart. So you got all five of us, then now we ready. You know what I'm saying? And now I'm going to feel good about somebody coming to me and saying, this is going to cost this. Because I know they're doing it out of, hey, man, this is what it's going to cost. We're going to figure it out. And I'm like, cool. But even when I do a special, man, it is a lot of, you don't want to talk about this part? Like, no. Like, we should talk about this part. And it's been some decisions that have been made that was, it was my call at the end, but it was somebody else's idea. Like, with Domino Effect. it would have never been a domino effect 2, 3 or 4 if I would have stuck with the name that I started with the name was 1983 so what it was going to be 83, 86 it's like and Rugged which won 3 Rebby Awards Rugged was the original name was I'm Not Handy and Eric called me and was like no I've listened to it I've watched it so many times I think that we should go with this name and he gave me the name and I sat on it for a day and then I called him back and I'm like yeah you about right well that's good that means you got good people and I think that people should put like right now I'm on the custom fit tour well I'm off into August because I'm going to take six weeks of vacation but custom fit

is not going to be a special it's just the tour that i'm doing now because the specials that i'm writing are different than what i just wanted to take this time to just do some material i didn't want to have a theme be working on the special right but the theme is about people think custom fit is about clothes it's not about clothes it's about tailor making the people around you I'm saying that can you can be a benefit to it can be a benefit to you I'm saying not just having these people around because you know sometimes people have a bunch of people around that secretly despise them you know and secretly despise their success and that's uh that's

detrimental to anything haters yeah yeah sometimes haters will get real close to you staying stay next to you it's a problem i mean when you're in a position like you're in too when you're producing other people's specials you're going to get a bunch of people to come to you that you don't want to do their shit it's just like owning the club the same issue the way i bypass that i put all the power into adam adam egott decides who's there and who's not there and how the the club gets scheduled and you know who passes and who doesn't and he's really good at it you know he's really good at it he's i trust him implicitly so i don't have to think about it and i like it so that when people say i want to work your club i'm like well you got to talk to adam i just perform i might be the owner but i just perform there i don't i don't think about it in terms of like how the scheduling is i often have to check the website to see who's there i don't know who's there you know it's uh it might be mine but i got a guy who does it and he does it really well so why would i get involved in that when i it's easier to not when i had um

when i had a club in houston i couldn't be funny in the club at all why not because i was actively working the club so i'm on stage and i'm worried about oh i see so many other things right you know going on like yo did you just drop a glass on the ground like i'm i'm it i didn't have enough help so you got to get the right help i got very fortunate

in that a lot of the people that I took to Austin, they were from the comedy store, and they were out of work. So the comedy store closed because of the fucking stupid government of L.A. They wouldn't even allow them to do outside shows. You couldn't do an outside show in the parking lot of the comedy store. They wouldn't allow it. It's so stupid. They were closed for like a good solid year and a half. They couldn't support paying all these people. So they had to get rid of them, and I moved here. And it's the same time. It just, by chance, it happened at the same time. And so they were all out of work. And I said, hey, let's get the band back together again. Do you guys want to move to Austin? So I paid for everybody to come out here, and I paid for them. I gave them a full salary with everything for, like, a year and a half or so, maybe even more, maybe two years before anybody had to go to work because the club wasn't open. So I was like, I want to give you a job so you could settle in, get used to Austin. you're going to get paid like you get paid like you're working but you don't have to work but i love you i know you and you know come here very admirable with with the store i just

performed at the store um main room for um td they had a thing before bt war so i popped in And the comedy store has a certain politics to it that, you know, I like the other one a little more, even though all they serve is pop.

The Improv?

No, the other comedy store.

Oh, La Jolla?

Yeah, La Jolla. La Jolla's the shit.

That place is the shit. What a club.

They just don't have food. No. Popcorn drinks.

I don't believe in food at comedy clubs either.

Yeah, so.

But it's just a different environment. La Jolla is, like, very nice, beautiful place. That club is awesome.

I love performing there. And with the store in L.A., it's like you get there, and it seems very, you know, segregated. This is now? To me, that's when I come. How long ago was this? I just performed last week, last Wednesday.

That's sad to hear because it wasn't like that before.

It seemed like the main room and the room around the corner and the building, all these rooms are different spaces. And that's to me, and I may just, it may just be that feel because I'm not there a lot, you know. But when I come, before I came that time, but the management walked up was very pleasant.

What do you mean by different spaces? But obviously the different rooms, what do you mean?

What do you mean? It seemed like the main room is different from the room around the corner. Well, it is different, but what do you mean by feels different?

It feels a little different.

Well, I mean, just by its design. It's a big showroom. It's brighter. The ceilings are taller. And then you get into the original room, which is just tight and perfect. The original room is like, that's where you find out what's real. You know, I've seen a lot of people have rough sets. They were real confident going into that room. That room was a truth serum. I like a tight room like that. Well, then there's the belly room. the belly room is the ultimate truth serum trying out new jokes in the belly room is the place it only seats 70 people you can't bullshit those people

that's the creme de la creme the belly room is spectacular such a good room I came from small audiences

they're the best it's the best for finding out if jokes are real there's nothing like a small crowd like in our club we have the little boy our rooms are named after the bombs they dropped on Hiroshima and Nagasaki and Little Boy is only 110 seats it's a super low ceiling

this is when you know it's those times in comedy when you knew that that's what you actually love to do and I remember I was in San Antonio at this place called Santa's he literally owned the whole strip the club, the Washer Tear, the corner store, everything. It's a guy named Santa. I didn't know that he owned it, but it was like a rainstorm or something. The show got rained out. And it is literally three people in this room. It's two ladies and it's Santa. And I don't know that this is him at the time. And we had to go on to get paid. The promoter was like, I'm not paying nobody who don't go on. We're still doing the show. I'm like, okay. So this is $100. He's getting paid $100. And he was like, who going up? I'm like, I'm definitely going up. And I'm going up first. Like, I don't care. I did like an hour and 30 minutes for three people. And I was like, because I kept looking. And like, anybody else going up? He was like, no, we good. And I'm like, I, and Santa, I remember he finally revealed that he was the owner of the club. And he was like, well, let me take you to the back. He took me to the back, and he gave me like $700, you know what I'm saying, for performing. He's like, yeah, man, you wasn't scared. And me and my friends had a good time. And it was like three people. It was literally a dude named Vance put the show on. It was like three. Vance telling anybody the story. He was like, this is when I knew Ali was different. When he went out three people, he went first, and he's like, I went 30. And he was like, and it didn't look like he was coming down. I'm like, yo, bro, I'm here. This is what I do. And I need that $100. So that's definitely some extra motivation. It's crazy that no one else wanted to go up. He's like, no. And another time I was at Wiley. It was Wiley College. and Marcus was performing and the mic went out. And it's like all these people in this auditorium, the same place they shot Denzel shot the movie The Great Debate. So we in this auditorium and the sound goes out. And they start ribbing Marcus and I was in the back. I was like, what's going on? And he's like, the sound went out. And I walked out. I was like, what's happening? And I said, hold on Marcus let me ask him something wait a minute I know damn well y'all not in here trying to get somebody in a problem because y'all got us in we didn't bring this sound system got us in fair east side high performance broken clock and so I say listen Marcus sat down in the back I was like yo this is what we gonna do I'm gonna talk y'all gonna laugh then I'm gonna talk some more but y'all can't be laughing all along because we don't have no sound I'm not supposed to use my real voice in this

so I'm at like 45 And then I look back at Mark. I say, hey, man, you want to come back up? Mark was like, no. Like, you got it? Like an hour and 20. He's like, yo, Ali's nuts. I'm like, no, this is what I do, and I'm going to figure it out.

We did a show at the Improv once in Hollywood, and the power went out. And they were going to cancel the show. And we were sitting there talking, and I said, why don't, can we light the stage somehow? and they said yeah we can get a emergency light attached to like a generator and we could put a you know put the run the wires through the crowd and put an emergency light on the stage I go that's that we'll do that and then we'll just do stand-up with no mic and we did the whole show with no mic it was the opening middle and then me I did a full hour it was amazing

Everybody had a great fucking time. It felt special. It felt very unusual Yeah, you got to see what it's like like when you don't have a microphone and you're projecting to the back of the room Changed my pacing on things, but it was great. It was it felt cool It felt like you were doing something and the audience was into it. I go look we're gonna have fun, right? Like fuck it. Who cares? This is gonna be this is never gonna happen again. Probably ever Never. I've never I've been doing comedy 30 something years. I've never had that happen where I did a show with no microphone except that one.

So this is the thing. These are the experiences that as a comic going through the trenches that some comics will never have. Right. Because they didn't come up that way. And you have a different set of chops when you come up a certain type of way. i've come up and just joking had to be the craziest place because some some nights you're coming in it's like nine people but these nine people are into comedy and alice would be like you gotta do the show like it's not a we don't have a limit we gotta do these people that's here because what the thing is that whole idea that the show must go on regardless regardless too

Well, I learned that from Paul Mooney, too. And one of the things that I said, I did a show at the comedy store. It's like the first time that Mooney ever complimented me. I was always scared of him. It's because Mooney didn't like you. It was terrifying. He was a legend. He was a legend, wrote for Richard Pryor. And it was like the way he carried himself. He didn't like you. And I was 27. I was young and stupid. And I went up because I would always go up last or late. I had late spots. and there was like 15 people in the room but I did my act and I heard in the back of the room he was laughing having fun and then he grabbed me afterwards he goes you're a real motherfucking

comic he goes that's what a real comic does he goes all these other motherfuckers they went up there and they did oh where you from bitch I know where I'm from tell me some fucking jokes do your fucking act and that's what you did and I was like wow Paul Booney likes me whoo me and Paul

had a different type of relationship. Did you and Paul not get along? One, I have to always say I love Paul until I met him. It's like Paul was on some bullshit when I met Paul, man. I was at the Improv and I was featuring for him and the Improv had got me to feature for him and I was like, cool, I'm excited. I get to meet one of my idols in this game, one of the people who changed the course of my pacing because my lineage just sitting down, I passed through Paul. So when I first started, I was a crazy man. I was all over the place, thought that you had to have all this energy. And then this guy named Dez White walked into the club one night. I was there, and Dez stood in the same exact place. He never took the mic out of the stand, put his drink down on the stool, and Dez just stood there, and he was destroying this room. Never took the mic out of the stand. And he always, people would say, Dez, Dez, why you don't take the mic out of the stand? And he's like, because there's a stand. Let it hold the mic.

Some of my favorite comics don't take the mic out of the stand. Ron White. Yeah. Ron White just stands there with a drink on a stool, sometimes with a cigar, just killing with the microphone in the stand. Oh, man. Joey Diaz. Joey Diaz keeps the fucking mic in the stand, and he makes me laugh harder than any fucking human being that's ever lived.

That, so I'm going to go to, I'm going to finish Paul, then I'm going to go to Ron. So what did he do, though? So I'm in the green room, and at the old Empire where they had a downstairs, you would come through the, It used to be a rainforest cafe. Right, right, right. Yeah, so it was spellbinders at first, and then it changed. So I'm sitting in the green room, and, like, it's a main part, and it's a smaller part. He walked into the small part and said, Hey, go count the room. And I'm like, What? Yeah, go count the room. I was like, I don't work here like that. I don't count the room. And he was like, yeah, all right. Then he walked out, and then he came back, like maybe 25 minutes later, yeah, tell you and your little white friend that it's packed out there, and I want my bonus. Like, what white friend? What are you talking about? Raymond.

Cook is the manager of the club at the time. He was talking about Raymond. And I was like, yo, Paul, I don't count the room. I'm the feature. Why would I be counting the fucking room? And then he said something else negative to me. And I was like, yo, Paul, if you say something else to me, I'm going to kick your ass, Paul. I'm like, what is wrong with you? So I called DL. I'm like, yo, I'm about to fucking beat up Paul Mooney. He's like, you can't beat up Paul Mooney. He's a legend. Even if you beat him up, you're still not going to win. It's going to be a loss. So I'm like, yo. So then another time. Oh, and then later on that same weekend, he had this lady with him, and she was sitting at the top, and I was sitting up there, and she got up, and she left her purse. So I didn't want to leave and leave the lady's purse there, so I grabbed her, and I got the purse like this. I came in, I'm like, hey, ma'am, you love your purse. And Paul turned around, like, what are you doing with her purse? I said, she left it. And then the only thing in my head is, D.O., you cannot beat up Paul more than that. So I just walked out. I'm like, I'm going to fuck Paul up. What year was this? This is, like, three years before he died. And this was the old improv.

This is what I'd heard, just for clarity. He was struggling in the last years of his life. So you probably didn't get the best version of Paul Mooney. So then we're here in Austin.

We're performing at the theater that's right next to the Paramount. It's another theater that's connected to the Paramount. The black heritage, the black art something, have booked both of us not knowing that we're at odds. So I'm in my green room, and the lady comes in. hey um she's very nice hey ali paul mooney's next door it was in and you like to meet him and i was like no i'm cool and then she goes paul ali's next door you know i don't know if y'all want to meet each other and paul's like no i'm cool and i went up i'm in my green room and the host is on stage and paul was getting ready to go up and this was his apology he walked by the room and came back like on Purple Rain came back and leaned in the room so I went hi Ali and then I mean Paul fucking nuts man

and yeah but he that's you gotta take that you know there's certain people that are just eccentric that's Paul I mean I wouldn't have counted the fucking room either I would have been like that's not my job

but Ron White I was in Orlando manager Orlando called me saying hey Ali I know you have a feature but Ron White would like to you know feature for you and I was like I don't know no person named Ron White and she was like you don't know Ron White I'm like wait a minute like Ron White Ron White I think it was like some other guy who's using his name or something like that his name happens to be Ron White to, like, Ron White, Ron White? He's like, yeah. I said, he want a feature for who? He said, you. He called and asked. I was like, the fuck? I said, hell yeah. So I called Marcus. I'm like, yo, Marcus, you gonna go up, and then you gonna bring up Ron White. When was this? This was like maybe four years ago. That's crazy. And Ron shows up in this huge tour bus. Like, I'm walking to the club, and I'm like, who busses this? And I'm like, oh, shit, it's Ron's bus. It's got tequila brand on it and all that stuff. And he's in his bus. He's not even in the green room. Then I get knocked on the door, and his manager, he's like, hey, Ron would like to know, can he come in the green room? I was like, Ron, why can't he come in the green room? So he comes in. He's like, yo, man, I just want to, I love what you do. I just want to do some time. Ron went up there and was destroying this room. And I couldn't wait to get up because I wanted to just talk about the fucking Ron White feature for me. And I destroyed this room and Ron, he sat out and watched, he was like, you're fucking amazing. And my mind is, I'm still in awe that Ron White wanted to fucking feature me.

Wanted to work with you.

I was like, that shit was crazy to me.

That's so cool. Well, you know when he's working on new stuff, that's what he likes to do He likes to go around and does a lot of sets. He's constantly active. He's at the club tonight. We're working tonight He's one of the main reasons I moved here Ron moved here before the pandemic So I called him up in like two

2018 i loved having him at the store so he started coming to the store around 2014 ish something like that and oh my god we had so much fun for years and years and he had a beautiful place up in beverly hills and then he just got sick because he's always traveling just got sick of the long flights and the traffic and i called him up i go why'd you move to texas he goes austin's amazing the food's fucking great everyone's nice it's in the middle of the country if i want to fly to florida it's quick if i want to fly to i'm like god damn it can i live in texas and then the shit hit the fan with covid and i was like i gotta get the fuck out of california this place sucks they're telling me what to do this is not what i signed up for you tell me i can work you tell me i have to wear a mask fuck you i'm getting out of here and when i came to austin it was like one of the main reasons why i was willing to move here i'm like if we never do comedy again at least i can hang out with ron that's that's amazing yeah and then everybody else came and then once i mean so everybody says that i got everybody to move here sort of i got a lot of people to move here but ron got me to move here that's the most important thing like ron got me to move here and then i realized how nice people are here and how disconnected they are from show business and i was like oh this is so refreshing everyone's just normal my neighbors are normal guys everyone's normal they're regular people just people living their lives having a good time you know it's like and for me you know because i love hunting everyone hunts out here yeah it's it's it's like a normal pastime i tell people i bow hunt in

california like oh texas is texas we have been a gym for a long time and we just let we let other people feel like they the upper echelon we like okay texas ruled forever i mean you gotta think

kinnison and hicks two of the greatest of all time came out of houston yep and when i was coming here all the time i knew it right so one of the things that was good about doing comedy is a lot of people that moved during the pandemic just wanted to get out of california but they had no idea what the rest of the world was going to be like they'd never been to nashville they never been to austin i'd been here a couple dozen times i knew i loved it so i was like look this will be all right like i'll be fine like it looks like i'm never doing comedy again i was like it looks like comedy's done it looks like they're gonna fucking make us just stay indoors especially in like blue cities He's like, this is crazy. You have to have a vax card to eat at a restaurant in New York City. I'm like, this is fucking bananas. None of this shit makes any sense.

I remember you guys came. Mothership was coming. The next thing I know, Creek in the Cave was here. Creek in the Cave was here first. Yeah, I'm saying how I heard about it. I'm like, oh, Creek in the Cave? I'm like, dang, okay, Creek in the Cave is coming from New York. And then Mothership is here. But they had rooms. You know, the main thing was, what was the room that was so hard to get in there first? It was the Austin Comedy Club. Damn, I forget the name of it. Velveeta Room? No, no, it was the actual comedy club. Cap City? Cap City. Yes. Cap City.

That place was always packed.

Yeah.

I almost bought that place.

Yeah, I heard that.

Yeah, I almost bought that whole mall. But the guy who was trying to sell it to me wanted way more than it was worth. and then he got roped up in some FBI investigation. I was told while it was going on that he was being investigated, and I was like, oh, okay, and then he wound up getting arrested. But that building was for sale. The whole thing was for sale, and I went in there, I thought about how many shows I'd been there, how many shows I'd seen there, how many shows I'd performed there. I'm like, I could own this place? Oh, my God.

Cap City was the first place that I did on the road with DL. That was a great club.

Fucking great club. Perfect club. That place was amazing. Such a fun place to work.

I think that people didn't realize how the rich history of Houston, Dallas, Austin, San Antonio.

Bro, Laugh Stop in Houston, River Oaks, one of the greatest clubs of all time. Somebody told me that that building still exists like that, that it's still set up like that, that there's nothing in it. Is that true?

There's nothing in it, though. But it's still the same room? Yep.

Man, we might have to do a Mothership Houston.

Yeah. That's a, yeah.

See, if there's another city that could support, like, a large group of talented up-and-comers, Houston's one of them.

Yeah, so, you know, we have Seeker Group there.

We have. They had the other Cap City that was upstairs. Remember they opened up the second one? They closed that one and opened up another one.

You're talking about Labs? No. Cap City?

Oh, I'm sorry. Laugh stop. That was the Laugh Spot. Oh, no, no, no. They had that already. That already existed.

No, the Laugh Spot had went upstairs on the wall. I thought that was the Laugh Stop. I thought it was the same group that...

But no, it was the same group that owned the Laugh Stop in River Oaks. The Laugh Spot was another place. I knew that because when I was working at the Laugh Stop, Ralphie Mae was working at the Laugh Spot. We got together, we're hanging out and eating dinner. But that was the old spot. Then there was the other Laugh Stop that they put upstairs. It was a new, but it didn't last. It was only for a couple years.

Yeah, I didn't go to that.

It was a good spot. Then it went under. Yeah, Ari Shaffir did it with a Hitler mustache once. He trimmed his mustache to look like Adolf Hitler.

Ari is by far the craziest person that I know. I thought my Uncle Mac was the craziest person, and then I met Ari. I'm like, this is the craziest person that I know.

Yeah, he's awesome. He just moved to England. I'm like, brother, going to stab you. He moved to England. They will fucking stab you. They stabbed people there. Don't get stabbed.

Ari is nuts, but he's such a cool dude, but he's fucking nuts. I went to go see him at the Creek in the Cave when he was getting ready to film his special. And I was like, yo, Ari is so crazy. If people took time, just go through the many looks of Ari Shaffir on the internet. the one that killed me was the half he was just bald on one side then on the other side is he doing Two-Face he is insane

he did Two-Face for Batman yeah he's out of his mind but that's really who he is he's not trying that's what he is, he's out of his mind he's a fucking maniac complete maniac

when he tore up Burt, I heard about him tearing up Burt's check it was like $25,000 he's like yo I just made $25,000 he just tore the check up and he's like they'll write you another one

are you insane he's the craziest person

but I've had some great conversations on the phone with him and he's just

very fucking smart dude

I was very honored when he called me to do his last the endless Mm-hmm, you know, I was like That's cool to say cuz that that's where I That's a pivoting point a major point in my career when I did

This is not happening. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, that was a great show man. It was a great idea I remember when he started doing it he started doing it at the lab at the improv So you remember the lab? Yeah, another little room cool little room They should never got rid of that room. They changed that place and they fucked it up in my opinion That's the room the the main room still awesome, but the lab used to be in the back And it was like there wasn't a big bar there. I think it's still there

We can get Deon Cole our last on the Deon Cole. Yeah, but it's different. It's not it's not the same setup

It used to be you went through a door and it was like another small room and in that small room It was separated from the front door. They moved the front door and now everybody went in through the parking lot right and so they went into the lab through the parking lot so the the front door was back there that now and when you would open it it was all this noise from the street and they had a curtain to block off the noise and you'd hear people talk they were like right next to your stage where they're buying tickets it was annoying and then there was the bar which is right there it's still a cool little small room once everybody settles in but the original setup was way better and Ari started doing it there and I was like what are you doing And he's like, I'm going to do a storyteller show. I was like, ugh, what the fuck is that? That's what I thought. I was like, why are you doing that? And then he said, well, it really helps you without, like, having to have, like, punch lines and setups and have everything really tight. You could find the beats in a story. And I was like, oh, well, actually, that's brilliant. That's pretty fucking smart. It's a good alternative sort of way to develop bits. You know, you develop bits by working it out. but into a more loose format of telling a story.

And I didn't even know that that was the premise behind it because when I got it, it was like you go on and you tell a true story. And I was like, okay, cool. That's my thing. Right. And I had just won Comedy Central's Comic to Watch in like 2013. So you get a package, you get an album, you get a half hour, and you get a chance to go on one of the shows that's already on Comedy Central. So they was pitching me the Adam Devine show, and I was like, hmm, I don't like it. And it was another show. I was like, nah, I'm cool. So every show that they would say that they wanted me to go on, I was like, nah, that's really cool.

It ain't my thing. So then Chase DeRusso, young comic, called me and said, hey, listen, you might want to go on This Is Not Happening. I was like, what's that? He said, it's a show. It started on the Internet. You know, I went on it. I watched both, I think both seasons of it on the Internet. And I was like, yo, this is the one. So I called Ann Harris, that comic. I was like, this is a show that I want to do. and r didn't know me r is like i don't know him but eric abrams is one of the co-creators of the show he's like i know him so he's pretty good you should bring him on and ari was already telling anybody like i didn't know what he was going to do but all i know it was a true all you had to do is tell a true story and i was like perfect eric thought that i was going to do the story that i did on the second time that i was on but i and i'm like when i got there i was listening to people's stories and i was like no i'm gonna do a lighter story because the second story is mitchell it's like when i was gonna kill this co and i was like no i should do a lighter one and then i did the prison ride which is affectionately known as mexican got on boots and ours like the best best fucking story I have heard me telling the story about a riot a prison riot and I was telling what happened and I only did like 16 minutes of what happened that was a whole that was a whole ordeal like it wasn't a 16 minute riot it was like 9 hours like the whole thing is like 9 hours I only told the beginning part of it which was you know pretty cool

you know what happened I already lost the show

right yeah yeah and so that so when the show came back it's with roy woods they called me to do it and the loyal spirit in me i called ari first i was like hey they want me to do this show i'm really not fucking with it and he's like no no do it i was like what he's like i heard about all the stuff he's like man do it eric eric is still shooting it he was saying so you should do it because we wanted you to be the host but they didn't they didn't want you to do it you know they

got roy which is cool i don't think they wanted anybody affiliated with ari to do it yeah so they were punishing ari so when they asked tell people why so for people that don't know um they ari got a deal he got an offer to do a netflix special and he wanted to do it and um they wanted him to do the special on comedy central and he said well i don't have to it's not in my contract they said well if you don't do it we're going to cancel your show and he was like wow i can't believe you would do that and that ain't what you tell ari nope no so we were trying to figure it out i offered to host it for free i said i will come in and host it i'd already done it so i'll come in i'll host it for no money i go because he wanted to make sure that everybody was paid he was going to take out a loan and ari was going to pay all the grips all the camera people because they you know these people they chart out their year they're like oh i'm doing this is not happening for the next six weeks and then i'm doing this for five weeks and i'm that's their year and that's how they budget their life and ari decided that he was going to take out a loan to pay everybody so and i'm like wow i go listen man they go tell comedy central that i'll host it for free they weren't interested they weren't interested in anybody affiliated with him he tried to he offered up a bunch of other comics yep they weren't interested so i was in

that group of the the bunch because i know it was you it was joey me bert and they just got me to do it once ari told me it was cool he's like man do it yeah ari would never try to stop anybody from working so what i what i went on and did in my protest of you know you didn't want ari So what I did was told a story about Ari. I just told him, like, okay, cool. My story is a mushroom story, which is an Ari. Second season I did this show, Ari gave me mushrooms. And I went through the whole thing of what happened when Ari gave me the mushrooms. I ate the mushrooms. I didn't know that they were mushrooms, mushrooms. I thought it was something else. And it was like an eighth of mushrooms. And it was a long day. What a rude thing to not tell you to not eat all of them. And I remember Janice. Janice was my assistant. And I remember.

i had to fly the next day and i'm still i'm still gone i'm out of my shit so i get to the airport and i called janice i said janice people are going through this machine and then i'm not seeing them anymore and it's like he's nuts he's going like and janice said they probably going to various places. And I was like, but I don't want to go to Various. I want to go to Houston. So then when I get up to the TSA and I said, hey, I'm seeing a lot of people go through this machine and then I'm not seeing them anymore. Where are they going? The man said, man, Various places. And I got out the line. I called Jan. I said, you are right. They are going to Various. Dan's like, he's nuts. Like, he's losing it. I'm like, yo, I was so toasted and just getting on the plane still full of mushrooms it was I just I wanted to just close my eyes but the shit just wasn't working it was like I was out of it I never mushrooms is a crazy thing it's a crazy thing and that same week cause I was there for a couple days Joy Diaz gave me a black star and I remember calling somebody and he was like yo don't you eat that shit like he said if you want to lose it don't you so this is an episode of I'm on Joy Diaz this is back when I was smoking I took an edible with the on the flying Jew and me and him it's like you literally see us I was fine at first and then you Joy is the only person that's in this studio that's that's still together and you just slowly see us just melting we both and then I know I was speaking very good English at one point then I was and it was like yeah Joey was like oh I understand like I don't understand

what I'm saying the church of what's happening now had some of the greatest overdose on weed moments ever in the history of the internet just Lee just seeing Lee Syatt just melting he can't keep his eyes open he's just melting in his chair

yo it was like At first, I was like, yo, he's tripping. Then all of a sudden, I'm like, this is not happening to me. Like, it was crazy. Joey Diaz doesn't give a fuck. And then. He goes, I want to see the devil. The other side of the story is another comic with me named Billy Sorrell. He had taken some edibles, but he ain't on the show. So he's outside. He didn't just melt it outside. Like, he's just sitting on the ground outside the studio. Like, yo. Those black stars are 500 milligrams.

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I saw Joey eat two of those once. He just chucked down two of them. I'm like, that is so crazy. That's so much. You know, Jamie doesn't feel it.

Edibles don't work on him. Jamie's got some weird fucking biological condition. Throw it at me. I'll try it. I'm not afraid. He doesn't give a fuck. He's not scared of edibles at all.

I've done two different types of mushrooms. I didn't know that there were. It's like the ones where I was really on one. That's the one that Ari gave me. And then there's some other ones that made me very talkative.

Like, look at Lee. Drool on his shirt Bro he's in another dimension right now He can't keep the headphones on He doesn't know what to do Joey's the best They're back They're doing it again They're back together again Oh man Are they doing it out of New Jersey? Is that what they're doing?

It has to be

Yeah

He's the best I remember I called Moses Malone for Joey because he's a big Moses Malone fan. Before Moses died, I called him. He's like, you know Moses Malone? There's no fucking way you know Moses Malone. I'm like, yeah, I know fucking Moses. Moses was nuts, too. Moses Malone was a fucking nut.

Have you heard about these new mushrooms that make you see little tiny people? Oh, no. No, I haven't.

The talkative ones were. Like I called a lot of people On my phone And everybody's same report was You know you call me like Three in the morning You want to talk to me about my life Which ones are those What did you take

It's not psilocybin It's something different

Yeah it's something different It made me very tough Delay I told Delay about him

What that would be

Comic name Delay I told him about him Because I called him And I talked to him For like hours just about, so then he end up taking the same mushrooms. He called me, and I knew what it was. I was like, go ahead. Just talk. He was talking his ass off. I had put the phone down and went to sleep. I woke up. He was still talking. I was like, yo, this shit is crazy. What is it?

Jimmy, put that into perplexity.

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talkative. Yeah, I know who gave to me so I call her and ask hey what was them shrooms that you gave me because she went and bought them and like I was a fucking talkative mess

I don't know what that is I've never heard of that before most of the time when people take shrooms they can't talk and it's like no I was on one

that's crazy I wonder what that is because the ones that Ari gave me

it's just magic mushrooms just in general some people's response to it

yeah but it seems that there's different

responses to different ones I know what I'm saying on the screen it says what I just said

Huh. I don't think there's enough research for perplexity to have an educated answer. Right? How much research are they doing out there? Talkative social on magic mushrooms, but there's no specific mushroom reliably proven to make you talkative. All right. Ask if there's a mushroom that makes you see little people.

Yeah, that's different.

I know. I know, but I want to see what perplexity has to say about it. What does perplexity say? Ask it about, is there a mushroom that makes you see little people? Let's see if it really is up on its psychedelic science.

I mean, it's just to repeat the articles I just pulled up.

I want to see what it says, though. It's just a question to see how it handles this. Yes. A specific edible mushroom called Lanmoa Asiatica has been reported to cause very vivid hallucinations. You say hallucinations. Maybe they're really little people right there. of little people when it's undercooked, a phenomenon known as Lilliputian hallucinations. So the thing is, how do you know it's a hallucination? Maybe you just now can see these things that people have been writing about for eons. How ignorant are people and how arrogant are we that we know everything that's going on all around us all the time? We don't. People have always thought gremlins were real and gnomes were real and fairies.

I've been studying that since the 60s.

Of course they have been. I'm studying it right now. Let's study. Let's go study mushrooms. Man. Yeah, they've been studying it, but, like, the real problem is there's got to be a bunch of— I know for sure there's other strains that are much more potent because I know a guy who's a mushroom guy. He's, like, deep in the world of mushrooms, and he was explaining to me that there's one that's, like, 10x stronger, and there's new ones that they found. I think they found a new one, I want to say, in China. They found a new hallucinogenic mushroom, but this one this Lilliputian one is weird because it's not psilocybin

So it's cooked. This has something to do with cooking it. Yeah. Yeah, once you normally eat them raw. No, it's um I think this might be the Chinese one because I think it's a is it yeah, okay So this is I conflated the two. So they eat it If you cook it and you do a real good job cooking it You don't trip, but apparently some people have not cooked it and eaten it and go. Oh, wait a minute What are we cooking out of this when you're you might be cooking out? Whatever the mushroom is giving you to let you see the spirit world or see the fairy world or the gnome world or whatever it is you can get it in restaurants let's go I'd be like hey undercook my just put it on some salad dressing send that shit out let's go

I don't have unfortunately I don't have a problem with mushrooms I think that unfortunately what do you mean some people are like you shouldn't be on there but I don't have a problem with mushrooms especially if I'm in a safe environment but being at the lows on mushrooms

that's not the best place to be. Also trying to fight it. If you fight it, you're fucked. If you start going and you start, no, I don't like this. Like, uh-oh. It's gonna get dark on you.

Trying to wrestle with it. I've had them in chocolate like little chocolate squares and it's been a time. I don't... It's been a time. Sometimes it can get rough. To see little people So I definitely want to be somewhere where I just need to be somewhere safe.

Brian Simpson has a hilarious story about someone gave him a mushroom chocolate bar and he put it in his freezer and forgot, forgot that it was a mushroom bar and then just ate the whole thing and just went to Pluto. He's like Dr. Manhattan sitting on Mars in a fucking lotus position. And this one's kind of strange. It says it doesn't matter who you are or what you do. You're going to have the same experience as everybody else who's done it. OK. At that point in time, when do we start to say maybe there's something in this substance, this compound, this molecule that lets you interact with something that's real, that's around you? If it's repeatable over and over and over again, if all these people see the same thing over and over and over again, and people have been writing about it since the beginning of time. They've been writing about elves and fairies and gnomes and magic people in the woods. What do you think they were doing? They were probably eating these fucking mushrooms.

So this is a show that I watch that I still don't know what this show is about. But I've watched, I'm on season number four. And I have no idea what that is. Which show is it? It's called From. Ah, I've been watching it.

I love that show.

I'm in the middle of season four right now. And so you know he's taking mushrooms.

The one guy did, yeah. Well, you spoiler alert. No, but you know. But you know already. Big spoiler. I know, but the people that are listening don't know. Hey, it's still going to be fantastic. Don't fuck this up. It's good. No, it's on MGM. No, they're moving it. No, they're moving it. Oh, shit. One of these new shows that's been talked about is getting moved. No, no, no. That's still on Paramount. I think it's MGM. I think it said MGM. Yo. Great fucking show. Yeah. Very original. I still. From is officially on Netflix. There it is. I don't understand. Oh, damn. Oh, wait a minute. Hold on. Maybe it's on Netflix as well. Yeah, that's all I was saying. Oh, that's what it is. It debuted on Epix.

But you watched all these seasons. Good show. But you have no idea what. There's no rules. And so I called my director. I said, hey, I want to make a show that is about whatever we're doing. And he was like, well, give me an example. And I say, watch From. Like, I've watched all four seasons. I cannot tell you what this show is about. It's like, I just know that this shit is good.

For people that don't know, that want to watch it, it's people that are trapped in this town. They all have the same circumstance. There's a downed tree in the road. They can't go further. So they turn around and they find themselves in a loop that keeps leading them through this town. To the same town. Over and over and over and over again. and no one in the town can escape and at nighttime monsters come out and they look like people they look like a mailman yeah they look very normal scary ass milkman oh that milkman is insane that that old lady that knocks in the window oh terrifying terrifying show it's it gives me

anxiety and i know it's all fake it's it's like it's a crazy show yeah and season four is even more bizarre yeah like everything that i'd be thinking i was like yo i think this is what it is and then it don't it doesn't be that but then it'd come and i'm like see and i but i'm like see I don't know the freak this show is going.

No one knows where it's going. But it's like Lost. The same people that made Lost made that show. That's why. It has that same sort of feel. Like crazy. You can't predict what's going to happen. Nothing makes sense.

Very entertaining. Lloyd tickles the shit out of me. Lloyd is mad about it. But it's so crazy. it's crazy but it's very interesting like i i don't miss it i love it yeah i've been um binging

it so i started i guess me and my wife started about a month ago or so and we burned through the first three seasons and now we're into the fourth girl yeah it's good and i think the next season's coming out in 2027 but i don't know how i think the next season's the last season unless they decide to keep it going finale it's the finale they just announced that it's going be the last season and maybe maybe when that money comes rolling then but the thing about this kind of show is you could do whatever you want like yeah you go back in time you could do wild shit like i don't want to give anything away but there's no rules there's you can make anything happen you can make anything it's a very strange show but it's very entertaining is oh man it's a very entertaining show yeah but if you want to just sit at home and watch shit and not do anything man you never picked a better time to be alive you could waste your whole life just staring at

a screen and like when when i ask people because i my my palette for what i take in is different than a lot of people you and i turn people on to a show like when i turned my boy on the pinky blinders i was like pinky blinders is a great show i was like yo you gotta watch people he called me and was like yo this is crazy and i remember my boy delay got so invested in um what was the first show the motorcycle show that i turned him on to um i know what you're talking about

i never watched it what is that show that motorcycle show that everybody liked

you know i'm talking about that's it sons of anarchy i turned them on the sons of anarchy and it's a person on there that you kind of get invested in and i remember he called me and said something about him. And I was like, yo, who? Like, who, what'd you say? And I'm putting on my shoes. And then I noticed, are you talking about the person on Sunday? He said, yeah, that's fucked up what they did. I was like, yo, you a crazy man. He's like, no, I'm so invested. I was like, yo, man, you a wild person. But, you know, Sons of Anarchy, Pinky Blinders, Like, I was big on Yellowstone, and now the two spinoffs of Yellowstone, Marshalls and the Dutton Ranch, I can't not watch it. Like, it's some good shows out there, and I just can't watch the typical stuff. I got to watch something that has a little more to it than what normal people would watch. Because I like to see normal people in shows, like something I can relate to that doesn't ranch. You know, being Texas, I don't – how ranching is, this is how I always experienced how ranching goes with cows and how you keep your land and all these different fights that people have over land. I'm like, shit is pretty interesting. It's very interesting.

Taylor Sheridan is a friend of mine. The guy made that. He was on here the other day talking about it. But the other show that I love is Landman. Same kind of deal. It's all about the oil industry. You just realize, like, oh, Jesus, is this how all this works?

Yeah, it's other things happening in life. And it's way more notorious people than a drug dealing show. This is, man, crude oil is a business. So it's such a big business. Of course you're going to get devious shit going on. You're going to get shit happening.

has to yeah the real world of oil must be nuts it must be nuts i mean that's why we're in war

right now and you have to be ruthless yeah you know with oil like that's a big thing and i don't understand fake meat like why would people be giving somebody fake meat well because they make

money selling fake meat that's why i mean that's that's uh what a lot of people were trying to push why they're saying that cows are bad cows the methane the environment man it's bullshit but all they're doing is trying to someone is pushing this idea that we need to stop eating meat because they're profiting off of us not eating meat that's what it is it's all it is it's not bad for you it's good for you you need it protein it's super healthy one of the best foods in the world for you there's just a bunch of horse shit out there saying that we need to eat less meat for the environment no we need to figure out how to not pollute that's for sure but regenerative farms aren't polluting you're full of shit it's not true you know if you want to say we need to stop doing factory farming okay maybe yeah that's probably a good thing to do but you need to figure out how to feed all these fucking people you've developed a system that's entirely reliant on massive amounts of animals moving through. The amount of chickens that people eat in America every day is crazy. What are the amount of chickens that get consumed in America every day? Let's guess. 20 million. At least. At least. I'm going to say 50 million. 50 million chickens a day. How many million chickens a day get killed? That's a different question. How many do we eat? How many millions of chickens to eat every day in america because i know i can account for three in my house 22 million chickens every day son that's nuts that is a crazy amount that's way bigger than the entire residence of los angeles if every person was a chicken yeah every we eat that

amount in this country every day that's crazy in my home alone if we roasting chicken if we going to get a roasted chicken. We're going to get three of them. Because it's going to... I didn't even know that I could eat a whole chicken by myself until I did it. It's like, yo, man, this Muslim grocery store, they sell them in there. It's already roasted. And you get two garlic sauces with each chicken. And once you dip a piece of that chicken in that garlic sauce, it's not going to survive. It's like, I bought three of them because I know if two are going to make it home, I have to eat this one by myself. And they put it on a piece of pita bread. It's already roasted. And it's insane that I would eat a whole chicken by myself. Estimates

suggest 24 to 26 million chickens are killed every day in the United States for meat. So if you don't want factory farming, you've got to figure out a solution where you can get 26 million chickens a day. Or you convince people they need to stop eating meat. But

If we look at, like, say if I'm looking at a show, Game of Thrones or House of Dragons, when I would see them sit down to eat, it was a lot of meat on that table. Yeah. Variations of meat. It's a whole—I've never seen the king sit down. It wasn't a whole entire pig on the table. Right. And then if you, most people haven't bought a lamb and you think that a lamb is enough, it depends on what you, on who's there. If you, if we, if it's it and it's after the fast and you put a lamb on a spew and all these Muslim families come to your house, that's, that's not enough. You need another lamb. You need two lambs, like whole lambs.

like it man it's meat is delicious it's great for you too don't let anybody tell you any different

oh i'm and i'm and they they can but i'm not really listening like when somebody tell when somebody tell me about a vegan situation i i'll listen to you but none of it is going it's like you know i say something comes in one day and go out the other it's not even going in the ear it's like i've already made my decision like okay i'll feel you but i'm not really listening to you I'm eating the lamb. Goat, I'm eating it.

Life eats life. It's just the factory farming thing is the uncomfortable part. That's the gross part. And if you just were on a ranch, it's natural.

It's natural. If you want to get overtaken, just let the animals just do their thing. Chocolate. And see how many, see, see, don't you see a, I Am Legend taught you that. Yeah. It's like, yo, how many antlers ran through a place? It was a stampede. So even like with the thing that happens in the ocean, sardines, right? So all these mass sardines come one spot. Then the whales come first. Then the sharks come. And then we still get sardines. After all this ecosystem is eaten, we still get sardines. it's you're not running out of natural for if you let everything do it do its thing you know you do you know how many jellyfish it is somebody should start eating them because that is a crazy jellyfish can mob out like mob out and they can kill you and they can kill you yeah somebody eat them something eats them you can eat them at Chinese restaurants

I've had jellyfish before.

Was it good?

I don't remember it being good. I don't remember where I ate it, but I remember someone cooked a specific type of jellyfish, and I was like, okay.

I didn't even know you could cook that. In Texas and Louisiana.

What kind of jellyfish are edible?

Find that out. In Texas and Louisiana, the amount of crawfish that we eat in two months is literally insane.

Imagine if they didn't. Imagine if crawfish would be.

Imagine. I know I can account for at least 50 pounds by myself.

Think of how many crawfish there would be if people weren't eating them. Like when I was a kid, I grew up in Florida for a while. We lived in Florida in Gainesville, and there was alligators there. Gainesville, Florida. But they were protected.

Wow.

Back then, the alligators were protected.

Like the Everglades?

Well, it wasn't the Everglades quite. Okay, hold on. Edible jellyfish. Best known edible species used in Asian cuisine. Oh, boy. Try to say that word. Ropilema escalentum, often referred to as the Japanese edible jellyfish. That's a lot easier. Salted in giraffe. Or flame jellyfish. So there's a few different species of jellyfish. Anyway, my point was when I was a kid, alligators were protected, and they were at this lake, and you could see them, and people would throw marshmallows in the water, and the alligators would eat them. and then uh now there's too many like there's so many alligators there now like they they can't get rid of them they're they're in every body of water everywhere you go there's alligators yeah the entire everglades filled with alligators golf course is filled with alligators i remember

when they when they um the kid got eaten at oh disney world yeah and i was like yo that's insanity because i don't trust a puddle of water in florida no i a puddle it could be a puddle i'm like it's an alligator in there it's like but no what they what they removed 400 some odd alligators from disney world oh they remove them all the time they have to check every day

to go back there and make sure that there's no alligators it's like a huge number that it's a

huge number like that's like maybe 24 this year 20 40 or something this year but it's 400 or something Like, that's insane.

You know, Disney World has a bass fishing lake. You can go bass fishing at Disney World. There's like a little trip that you take. You go there. 414 alligators removed from Disney World since toddler's death 10 years ago. That's a lot of monsters. That's a lot of monsters, man. They're legit monsters.

I remember when I was in Guam. I was in Guam doing a show, and I think the military had moved there, and it was a bird that they were trying to protect and so they killed all these snakes and this is how when you change the ecosystem to something, something happens so the snakes, not only were they eating that bird but they were eating and controlling the toad population so when they got rid of the snake we were coming back from the show and it's like, it's literally hundreds of thousands of frogs that come out at night. They everywhere. It's like you just see them flat in the street because you can't miss them. It was hundreds of thousands of frogs on Guam. And I was like, yo, man.

People fuck up everything.

They got to do something, man.

People meddle. Yeah, they got to bring the snake back. Yeah, got to bring the snake back. Stop. Stop. Stop your bullshit. people just metal i mean there's so many countries that are infested with animals that people brought in to kill other animals you know like australia has a giant feral cat problem they brought in feral cats i think to kill it i forget what species i think it was a toad they were trying

to kill off my neighborhood has a goddamn cat problem like my neighborhood is like one cat had some babies and my family has something to do with it we fed we fed the cat and then of course

you want to be nice meanwhile they're killing billions of birds every year in this country cats i love cats i love cats too but they kill billions house cats kill billions of birds and

mammals in this country every year if you you don't have a bug problem if you have a cat in house because we you know we had these water bugs they call them cockroaches but I've watched it before I left the cat that's just outside he was just slapping one around it's like five of them dead out there he's just slapping one around like just toying with him like but I don't mind because then they never make it into my house it's like cats are you know about the four pest campaign

that happened in China what is that what they do explains it to you in just these little four Under Mao, aimed at exterminating rats, flies, mosquitoes, and sparrows as a part of the

great leap forward it was framed as a public hygiene and agricultural protection drive meant to reduce disease and protect grain from being eaten or contaminated mass mobilization methods included trapping and poisoning rats swatting flies and mosquitoes and organized efforts to scare and

kill sparrows because like that it's before you get to the end here they had one little problem so they introduced something else to fix that problem that created a new problem so they introduced something else to fix that problem yeah ended here with tens of millions of people dying from a famine because they didn't have the natural ecosystem. This is correct.

So sparrows were targeted because they ate grain seeds, but they also consumed large numbers of crop-eating insects. Their near extinction caused an ecological imbalance, leading to insect population booms, lower crop yields, and contributing to Chinese famine, the Great Chinese Famine, which tens of millions died. Wow.

You got to give something to get something.

Yeah, man. And don't think you're smarter than nature, you dumb fuck. You got to give something to get to it. There's a balance out there, and we don't totally understand that balance.

What's this fish that we have now?

Asian carp, the one that's infested all the different lakes. And then the snake head, that's another one.

Then that torpedoes up.

Oh, that's the Asian carp. They fly through the air when you're in a boat. They just, for whatever reason, when you're in a boat, they just try to throw themselves onto the boat. they're like get me the fuck out of this lake there's so many of them and they don't have a natural predator and they bring them into places sometimes to clean up the algae and then also now you have a carp problem now the carp eat all the algae they eat everything where there's like your whole lake looks like a swimming pool there's no algae left look at these fucking things that is crazy that's the illinois river i mean this is just hundreds of fish just flying through the air everywhere they go how nuts is that you ever see people uh they shoot them with bows and arrows so they wait for them to hop up in the end they try to catch them in the air with a bow and arrow with the string on it oh yeah yeah there's a bunch of people do that that's a very uh popular sport is this fish edible i don't know i've never heard of anybody eat i know people eat regular carp I don't know if Asian, is Asian carp edible?

Yeah.

Yep. There you go. It's lean and nutritious?

It has a clean, mild flavor.

So I would just have a net rolling behind me.

Filet of fish. There you go. Don't you guys need product? There you go. Get out there with bows and arrows and get it done.

How many crawfish does Texas and Louisiana consume in crawfish season?

That's a good question. I guess you would have to do it in pounds, right? Would you do it in pounds or millions of actual crawfish? Because they don't measure them in individuals. They weigh them by weight, right? Because they're kind of little. Yeah, they go by weight. How many pounds of crawfish do you think? Texas, just say Texas and Louisiana in a year. Oh, man. 50 million?

I have to ask again, but it did give me 90% of the farm crawfish comes from Louisiana.

Yeah. Wow. 90%. How many pounds? I went way too high. How many pounds does Texas and Louisiana consume in a year? I'm going to say 2 million pounds. No, we've got to be more than that. Really? 2 million pounds is a lot.

It's fucking way more than that. What is it? What is 70% of the consumed amount is eaten in Louisiana, and the total is upwards of 150 million pounds? yeah i'm trying to 120 to 150 million annually whoa yeah just in louisiana 70 percent which is

almost 100 million pounds of that is just in louisiana that's great between crawfish boils and crawfish egg duvet that is fucking delicious hey that's delicious thing that is a crazy thing

this doesn't have a number it's just tens of millions well all we need now we've got the

louisiana i would have thought they'll be to double with the whole country eight that's crazy

like maryland actually thinks that they are big on crap and we and we just be shaking our head like okay it's no i think we ship crab to them like right we the chesapeake bay cannot outdo the gulf of mexico no we gulf of america now by the way it is we we still we still I don't think Mexico agreed I don't think they did either This is not the Gulf of America We're not saying that

That's hilarious Hey brother, it's great to talk to you again As always, it's always fun Very good to do

Do it more often. Man, I'm here.

Okay, let's do it. It's always fun. Tell everybody if they want to consume all your specials. All of it's on YouTube.

All of it's on YouTube, but you can go to AliSadiq.com. The new special out, My Father, is getting busy right now. It is a great special. It really is. Where did you record this? That was in Detroit.

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