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One of the people that came for assistance was a guy that was abducted. His phone, okay, and he has a record of this, went 6,000 miles from the U.S. to Africa and back.

welcome i'm here with les velez les welcome my friend hey thank you sean thanks for having me yeah it's interesting times today they just had the second drop on the quote-unquote disclosure sure i haven't gone through it yet i'll go through it tomorrow i usually have a live stream but call me highly skeptical and we'll know how skeptical to be depending on whether or not we start or resume bombing again as soon as markets close today on iran but anyway let's just get started with you and tell the audience about yourself you know who are you how did you get into this topic and then we'll start the deep dive on abductions and all that

stuff sure yeah absolutely well again thank you very much for having me on your program today it's a great pleasure to be here for me it all got started when i was 11 years old and i saw this object and scared the hell out of me and ran into the house and tried to get my father to come out and by the time he came out it was gone and he said oh it's probably just a beacon of light reflecting off a cloud or something you know and i didn't buy that and i went to the library and started reading books on ufos and back in those days uh gentleman by the name of george adamski so i was fascinated by his books and the pictures that he had taken through his telescope were phenomenal and so long story short eventually the ufo thing kind of faded in my life it went off to college at the end of college i got married i went into the service i had gone through the rotc program so i was involved with the army artillery branch

spent six years with them where did you go to where did you do rotc i'm also a former army

university university of vermont okay yeah i was um armor so oh yeah all right or i was actually

well i was quote-unquote military intelligence branch detailed armor but i never did any military intelligence they just loaned me to armor for four years and then and then put me on stop loss took an extra year to you know try to take me back and that was sufficient enough

for me to say i'm done like yeah you're done you're done well i'll have a story about why i didn't continue on. I'll get to that eventually. But anyway, and then I had an opportunity after I graduated and got out of the service to go to work for Procter & Gamble. So I worked with them for a while, selling Hidden Shoulders Crest Toothpaste and things of that nature. That's where you go to learn marketing, right? Like that's like a marketing powerhouse, right? Oh, absolutely. Absolutely. And after a while, that wasn't my cup of tea. So I got into the electronics business in Connecticut. And an opportunity came up to actually buy into a company out on the West Coast in San Jose. And so I did. I took the family from Connecticut all the way out to San Jose, California. My daughters hated me for at least three or four months after that because they were eight and 10 at the time and I had to pull them out of school. And oh, yeah, that was not a good situation. But anyway, it turned out okay. And I picked up the San Jose Mercury News one day and a gentleman by the name of Stanton Freeman was coming to San Jose City College to talk about UFOs and the government cover-up. Well, that was like somebody threw a light switch for me. I said, oh my God, I got to go see this guy. And I did. And he gave one of his inimitable presentations showing all this redacted information that he got through FOIA and from the cia and anyway i was all jazz and as i left in the foyer there was a table set up by mufon the mutual ufo network that was established in 1969 by a couple of engineers in seguin texas and so they have a monthly journal that they publish and so i started to get that and you know talks about cases that they get involved with and everything so that was fun for a while but it wasn't enough for me and found out that they had a training course for field investigators. And so I took that and I started to investigate cases. Well, the people were telling me that they were having sightings. And so I was really interested because I was a nuts and bolts kind of a guy. I wanted to understand, you know, how these things operate and all of that. But then they told me that they had contact with these non-human intelligences, and I was rather skeptical. And I'm saying, oh, no, that can't be. And what happened was that almost without exception, most of the cases that I got involved with included not only sightings, but people, again, telling me that they had contact with these entities. And so I said, oh, my God, there's something going on here. And one day this person asked me, hey, do you know of other people that are having similar experiences? And I said, I do. Next thing I know, I'm facilitating a support group in my office in San Jose on a monthly basis. And it was fascinating to hear these stories.

And so my nuts and bolts aspect started to fade quite significantly. And to try to understand, how can we possibly help these people? Because a lot of them were extremely traumatized over the whole situation. So one day I got a call from the international director of MUFON saying that there was a reporter near me that wanted to talk about UFOs and do an article on UFOs and things of that nature. And so he said, could I give him your contact information? And I said, sure. so he came out and we had a nice afternoon together actually did a great job it was written up in the monterey coast weekly paper and shortly thereafter i got a call from a woman down in carmel california that wanted to understand what was going on with her brain waves when she was in contact with these off earthly entities it goes into theta theta doesn't it brainwave state right so anyway i had no idea how i could possibly help this woman in understanding what was going on with her brain when she was in contact but then she said she was working with an emergency room doctor down in carmel and that rang a bell for me because i had a doctor friend by the name of dr eugene lipson and he was interested in meeting other doctors that were interested in the phenomena so i called him up and i said why don't we go down there you can meet this other doctor we can talk to this lady and just get a feel for what's going on so we did we went down this one saturday afternoon and as i'm walking in i see this picture on the wall and she's standing on the back of this beautiful large vessel in crystal clear blue waters and i'm saying what's that all about and she says well i was helping these treasure hunters i said really how were you doing that she says well i was in contact with the captain of the galleon that had gone down well that started the whole afternoon off in a incredible way so we subsequently found out that she had had a near-death experience and became very psychic and telepathic and started to have all these connections going on And so she also started telling us stuff about ourselves, that there was no possible way that she could know anything about us. We didn't know her from Adam. She didn't know us. So we came away from that afternoon and saying, how can we possibly help people? Well, we probably need to set up some kind of an organization. And so the Organization for Paranormal Understanding and Support, OPUS, was hatched that afternoon. And in 1994, we officially became a 501c3 nonprofit organization recognized by the IRS, which always cracks me up.

And, you know, we've been doing this now for over 30 years where we are helping people. And we do this in three ways. One is we have a totally confidential online support group where we have somewhere between 500 and 1,000 people from around the world that are in contact 24-7 talking about their experiences, their cases. We also have a referral network of mental health practitioners and hypnotherapists that are fully vetted. And then we also have a triage group that basically has a tremendous amount of knowledge with regard to most of the things that we're dealing with. And as it turns out, you know, the paranormal covers a lot of territory. But seemingly we've been focused for whatever reason by the people that are coming to us on the experiencer abduction contact type modality. And that's worked out very well because these people talk to these people and find out how best to move forward with trying to help them as best we can. And when you go to our website, which is opusnetwork.org. there's a couple of buttons. One is a contact button. One is a support button. And on the support button, you have a couple of choices. You can either say, I want to be put into the online support group, or you can say that you'd like to have a member of the EST, which is our triage group, contact them, or you can ask for both. And so that gives people the ability to start the process of getting the kind of help that they're looking for. And then, of course, you have just a plain contact button if you want to tell us something you want to talk to us about something you know we're always looking to bring in more therapists because of late we're getting so busy we're getting two to three people a day looking for assistance and there's no question why this is happening i mean all these you know congressional hearings that are going on all the podcasts that are going on just like yours and thank you for what you do it's getting the word out and so these movies you know jamie corbell's sleeping dog is out there the disclosure day is about to break from spielberg and you know there's so much more consciousness surrounding this topic now that the people that were afraid to really come forward are seeing that hey this stuff is

real it's really happening i'm not crazy so it's the question though what is this stuff Right. Because the government is flooding the zone with, you know, some of its obvious misinformation, disinformation, and then, you know, there's a lot of it's real. Right. And it's how do you work to distinguish between the two? Because, you know, half the time, I don't even I can't even tell. Right.

Well, with AI that's going on now, it's getting, it's horrible. It's horrible.

Yeah.

You really have to question whatever the hell you see in a video. Is this the old Memorex thing? Is this Memorex or is this fake or whatever?

Yeah, I mean, literally the president posted a truth social thing showing a big, tall, gray alien. Yeah, right. It was in chains, and the reason you could tell it was fake was because the chain link was broken on one thing. But it's just, and look, it didn't look that too realistic. But still, the President of the United States posting a video that it was an obvious fake, but didn't say, hey, this is just kind of, you know, I'm trying to be funny here or whatever. He just posted it and didn't offer any explanation behind it.

so yeah it's it's unfortunate that i mean in one respect i'm not a trumper by any means or stretch of the imagination but the bottom line is that i gotta give him a kudo on the fact that he's been willing to at least bring this stuff out for whatever reason that he has in doing this

probably mostly give you two oh yeah he probably just just made the greatest geostrategic mistake in American history by Bangoran. And number two, there's a system above the system where there's a compromise ring of leadership through kind of Epstein files. And that's just one aspect of it. So, again, I don't know if this was his motivation, but one could make a strong argument that it's meant to distract from all those things. And based on the first tranche that they released, I think that was highly suggested that that is exactly the case because at the end of the day if the government were serious about disclosure they would show evidence of non-human intelligence they wouldn't just show these grainy photos that could easily be faked today by ai even i'm not saying they're faked i'm just saying and then a lot of them have been seen before and it's like what are you trying to do here you're just taking a bunch of videos right yeah yeah that are highly suggestive but not in any way confirmation and just dumping them onto the public to give them

something to talk about yeah jamie corbell's movie sleeping dog has got more stuff in it than what they've released so far so it's yeah well we'll see we'll see where this goes i mean it's a process no question about it is it a desensitization process that they're slowly doing this that it's not one day that the president's going to sit up somewhere and maybe even at the un and and say yeah they're here i think i think we're operating in a comprehensive

control system where reality literal reality is controlled and i like when you said i'm not a trumper i don't believe in the u.s government anymore i just don't i think they systematically lie to us i think it's kind of like an oligarchy versus the rest of us. And I think the left-right dynamic is just a distraction. It's just a divide and conquer strategy. I think we operate in a system that is, for lack of a better word, a consensual slave system, right? Like just when you think you can pay off a house, you have inflation that comes in and wipes out that ability. So you continue to work. The entire medical system is designed to treat symptoms and not root cause of things. So they keep you, you know, just healthy enough to work, but not healthy enough to live and retire and thrive. And again, I'm not trying to act like a victim or anything like that i think it's very cleverly concealed but there are just certain things and i think whatever that system that operates above the foe systems that we're surrounded by you know you ever notice that things always start moving one direction but it would be impossible for a human cabal to coordinate right and like things that just

don't make any sense oh yeah i mean so many things have don't make sense these days i mean it's a tremendous amount of things that don't make sense and it's like you know this conscious dissidence that's going on with the mega crowd i mean this guy you know i can't believe these congressmen and senators are backing this guy i mean it's just well i mean you literally had a

foreign power by a primary yeah yeah that literally happened that literally happened and after that i was done i'm trying to say this in a way that's not we're not voting our way out of this i think on this particular topic and you know when i say particular topic i mean consciousness etc the only way disclosure is going to happen is if we do it ourselves i.e reach out to the phenomenon or whatever it is and by the way when you said all these reports that you're getting are increasing and i'm not trying to be suggestive here i'm just correlating if you talk to exorcists right the number of exorcisms that people are conducting or the catholic church is good like they don't have enough exorcists like it's increasing and i'm not saying that what we're dealing with are demons or angels or whatever i'm just saying whatever the phenomena is the activity is heightening right now it could be some comprehensive force that masquerades as aliens demons angels etc it could be us that are kind of through our own consciousness projecting i don't pretend to know what it is but there is definitely a quickening and i think that if people really want to figure out what's going on they're going to need to engage with whatever this thing is good bad or whatever because our government's not here to help us like our government is just a rent extraction mechanism doesn't matter you could vote for trump you could vote for you know massy look i'm not a trumper but i voted for trump three times because the alternative was war with russia and instead we got war with iran so i just deal with the proximate issue and i knew the guy's a you know an absolute scammer it's just the alternative at the time was worse so i think we ain't voting our way out of this you know and i think you know the next election is going to go to the democrats that's very obvious because you know the president basically told the american people to go fuck themselves like i don't really care if you can't you know if you're having financial issues let's prevent iran from having a nuclear weapon and i did my master's thesis on the iran problem 20 years ago and i've completely changed my tune i think we need to give them a nuclear weapon so that they can counterbalance israel that's where i stand right now that's what this government both sides have kind of pushed me toward and i stand by it at this point at least you'll put a rain on the mad dog of the middle east and you know give them a reason not to invade everybody around them and have our tax dollars pay for it so anyway i didn't mean to go on that diatribe but i think the bottom line is we need to reach out to the phenomenon and just try to figure out what's going on i don't know what

do you make of all that a lot of stuff because i'm very frustrated right now the vomit the

phenomenon has been reaching out to us for eons yeah and when these people come back the majority come back over 70 are having positive experiences their worldview changes significantly to hey we need to be better stewards of the planet we need to be more loving these are all very positive types of things and I think eventually We will reach critical mass, and we'll wake up one day and understand that, oh, yeah, they're here. They've always been here, and this is the way we're going to act in the future. We're not going to have any wars. We're going to take care of our people, and it's going to be a whole different world. And I think as these numbers that are occurring right now, people coming to us, I think the process is being sped up. and uh you know back in 92 when roper did that poll and they said that it was like six million people in the u.s that have had an experience well multiply that now and this is a worldwide phenomena so it's going on all over the place so there's a different force that's going on and again i don't want to say they're all good or they're all bad it seems to be a mixture because there are people having terrible experiences absolutely horrible experience

well there's a persistent effort by the government to cover up certain like i can already tell you how this disclosure is going to go it's going to be focused on craft you'll be very lucky if we see anything related to entities or anything like that but they are going to assiduously avoid the darker aspects and maybe entirely avoid aspects of the abduction phenomena and particularly particularly cattle mutilations and human mutilations are going to be completely ignored and avoided because there's some dark stuff during conflicts people disappear and there are people who like they don't find bodies so where are those people going it's happening in ukraine right now and you're not going to hear about that you're not going to hear anything about that they're also going to skirt around human potential issues because that's the other big no-no i'll give you another example i had a video yesterday that started spiking inexplicably on youtube like it was getting thousands of views from an external source when i woke up this morning all those views were erased and so that's a signal to me that i need to check so it was an interview i did three years ago with lynn b cannon talking about backdoors that the government had into ancestry.com and 23andMe, and that there was some percentage of human DNA that could not be traced to any known haplotype in the U.S. So the system, whatever the system is, rapidly went to kind of erase any signal on my own YouTube channel. So what does that tell me? That means that's significant. That means there's something real to that.

Oh, yeah. Anyway, I didn't mean to interrupt. No, that's fine. that's fine this is not a straightforward situation where you have just the good guys and the bad guys i mean it's more complicated than that and the motivation to do what people are doing you know is it power is it money is it both obviously it's both um i mean the trump

administration it's you know it's going to be self-serving regardless of what it is right So is it going to hide something, right? Like I'm going to use a code word, like a PDF ring, you know, PDF file ring that basically is used to, you know, most people in power have sociopathic or psychopathic tendencies. And that's a way that the system uses to manage the quote unquote, the elites. So it could be an effort to hide some of that. It could also be an effort to try to cash in on some of the technology that you're trying to reverse engineer. and it could also just be a cover to get people less focused on the geostrategic disaster over in iran or it could be all the above or there may have been an effort that they set up 80 years ago to you know solely drip and drab the stuff but given you know kind of after 2020 and the way that kind of the whole covid situation was managed there's absolutely no reason to trust the government the way that i look at disclosure now is what aren't they revealing that's what the real signal is like everything else is noise as far as i'm concerned but when you say there's no good or bad are you talking about the phenomenon or are you talking about kind of all the factions

that are involved in this disclosure effort yeah it's multifaceted i mean you've got the guys that want this to come out you've got the guys that don't want it to come out the guys are saying don't want to come out because national security issues which i can understand that i can understand that we don't want to open up our kimono to our enemies and you know give them what we know so that's logical to me so it presents a problem for the disclosure side is what do we bring out and you mentioned the fact that okay i agree with you as far as the beginning stages of the quote-unquote disclosure that they're looking at the nuts and bolts part of this whole thing. Again. Again. Contactees, not the contactee part of it. And I had lunch with Lou Elizondo right before the COVID shut everything down. And he was interviewing Terry Lovelace, an experiencer.

Yeah, I know Terry. Terry. Yeah. I have a story about that, actually. Keep going. I didn't mean to interrupt, but I'll add it. Yeah, shut up, will you? Yeah, I am talking to you too much. That is totally legit. And by the way, my audience will say, well, not my, people who come in to watch the video, the host talks too much shut up shut up shut up go ahead continue your story but so he did this

thing for the unidentified program so they we spent a whole day with him and then we had lunch afterwards and everything and that segment was never aired and the reason why is melon got involved with and he says no no no we don't want to go down that path right now we just want to stay focused on this and during lunch lou also mentioned the fact that they understand how these things operate and i said what element 115 he says hell no yeah there's there's no they know

more shit i know well i mean the other thing there's two things here so i've interviewed loveless too and he had two implants in his body yeah one was like appeared to have been genetically engineered from his own bone yeah right that's clearly not human whatever did that Oh, yeah. Or I shouldn't say clearly. It could, you know, if you would subscribe to Michael Masters theories, you know, it could be advanced human. Right. So, but it was clearly not designed by like 1970s technology. Right. But he also had another implant that looked like a multiplexer. You work in the electronics industry. Yeah. Like a single black.

Yeah. Yeah. I know Terry very well. I mean, matter of fact, he's part of our organization. He's an advisory board member. And he basically lives down the street, so to speak, from where I am. So I know Terry very well. Is he San Jose? No, no, no, no. I'm in Texas. I'm in Texas. Oh, okay. Yeah, yeah. He's in Garland and I'm in Allen, which is probably about 30 minutes apart. So, yeah, we've had many drinks together talking about this whole issue.

But you should ask him if he got his iPhone back.

Oh, yeah.

You know what I'm talking about? like he gave his iphone to lou elizondo and his sensors showed that he was levitated above his

house above his house yeah through the roof and they're like geospatial coordinates pressure

sensors and all that stuff on that iphone that proved that one of the people that came for

assistance was a guy that was abducted his phone okay and he has a record of this went 6 000 miles from the u.s to africa and back all on his phone it's all documented and matter of fact we're in

africa we're in africa specifically no i don't recollect i don't recollect right now but

when you started telling about story terry's have you ever heard somebody operate 30 years

in counterintelligence and then suddenly they're a public disclosure advocate does that make any sense to you does that track i'll just put that out there i'll put you don't have to answer my question yeah yeah exactly exactly so anyway we're we're i didn't mean to i'm talking way too much

you know this whole thing is as far as bringing the contactees forward makes a lot of sense and the government has already been talking to them but they're not putting that out there right now they're just not dealing with that right now no they want to talk to them because they want to

have an eye on the phenomena, because the phenomena is not necessarily talking to them.

Exactly, exactly, exactly. So, you know, it's a complicated situation, no question about it, with all the different players that are involved in it, the types of entities that people are talking about, whether it's the grays, the reptilians, the Nordics, you name it, there's so many different types that we're dealing with. And we just finished up the second phase of a study, which we call the Omega-4 study, where we took therapists. We had them do a questionnaire for us, about 200 questions. And we have some pretty interesting things. The first phase is on our website. If you go into our articles and documents section, you can see some really interesting things on the first phase. The second phase is even more interesting. And we talk about what these entities are like what are the aspects not just the physical aspects but their psychological aspects is how they treat people and is there some type of motivation that's going on with them and we're trying to you know dig in a little bit more than just saying yeah they look like a pretty scary thing and they're blue or black or whatever color it's a lot more in depth now and so we're going to be presenting one of our members is a psychologist who has been the main investigator on this is going to be presenting at the society for scientific exploration in denver in june and we're going to talk about this there and then hopefully it'll get published in their monthly journal and that's a really good journal it's got a lot of good good articles in there so we're trying to do more than just help these people but we're trying to help the therapists help these people by giving them more information on how to move forward to get these people into a place where they're more comfortable with what's going on and so that they can lead a normal life because a lot of times these things throw people into a place where They can't work. They can't sleep. They can't eat. Their marriages break up. I mean, they have all kinds of issues. Some of them are able to get through it on their own. Others can't. And so that's what we're all about, trying to continue to help people like this.

In that survey, roughly how many samples did they have?

Well, the first study that we did was back in 2007 that actually MUFON funded Opus to do this study and we had 71 people that claimed that they were experiencers and 51 people that were the control group and we had them take like nine different psychological instruments tests and what we found is that none of the groups had any psychopathology okay they were all totally sane they were not fantasy prone which a lot of debunkers talk about the fact that these people You know, we found out that there was quite a bit of childhood conflict in their lives, which caused them to dissociate.

Yeah, dissociation is a huge one.

Their worldview, as I mentioned earlier, changed significantly in that they wanted to be a better shepherd of the planet, more loving, more kind to other people. That's wonderful, wonderful information. we also found out that their temporal lobe activity the experiences was different than the control group so that was something that we wanted to look at more closely and then in the omega-4 study we did we did that and so we have some information on that in the second study so we're trying to better understand the motivation that's going on with these entities and that's one thing that lou alzano talks about is what's the motivation why are they here what are they doing i think it's another reality that has always been with us and this is how we evolve this is an evolutionary process that is probably universal in some way shape or form and one of the things that the big word these days is consciousness and one day i was in the support group in my office and a person at the end of the meeting said i've seen you before oh really where do you have a conference something no no i saw you on board the craft i said really oh that's interesting because i have no conscious recollection of being on board a craft year and a half later probably almost two years later another person different person comes up to me says the same thing i've seen you before and i said the same thing you know where you forgot no no you were sitting on this bench naked on board the craft and you were freaking out and they told me to go over to you to calm you down and so at that point i said okay i'm gonna go get regressed i gotta see if i can dig up something on along those lines well i had multiple past lives multiple past lives and one of them was i was like my consumer or something like that way back when and i've been drawing a symbol a doodle my entire life a particular doodle Do you have an example of that, that doodle? Yeah, yeah, sure, sure. It's basically a cross. Can you see that? That's all. That's all it is. Just this. Okay.

And then I, can you see it? Yeah, so it's basically one cross and then another cross. Yeah. Rotated 45 degrees on top.

And what's funny is our opus symbol gets a little bit more complicated.

You know, that's also very similar to the symbol that Pete Carroll created for Chaos Magic. Yeah. I'm serious. Yeah. It's exactly like that, except I think there's like pointed arrows all around. So there's something universal. But the fact that you said Sumer is also very...

Very interesting. So I continue.

And so I did some research, and I found that this symbol was very common during that period of time. And so anyway, again, long story short, I never found out anything with regard to being on board a craft in any of these regressions, which I had three of. and i talked to someone later on about it and the person said to me well you know maybe this person tuned into a previous life that you had where you were taken okay but didn't come up and one of the things are talked about is that they seem to be able to manipulate time and space and so they can bring you back before they take you types of things you know yeah and so it gets very complicated and And so my latest theory, okay, is that, and I just heard this the other day from another person for the first time, is that we've all had an experience, whether we consciously remember it or not. We've all had an experience. Some of us have buried it very well or needed to bury it very well for whatever it was, but that we've all had one. and it is just once you start going down that rabbit hole as they say it gets really weird

so the symbol that you saw in sumer yeah did you do any research on what it meant or what it was

used for you know what let me see if i there's a book that i have here that i don't know if you

can see this is a dictionary of symbols interesting the reason i ask is there's a researcher steve who is also an experiencer and they started really delving into sumerian and babylonian demonology oh demonology well i'm not saying it's demons i'm not yeah yeah right you know right but the moment they started doing that the phenomena whatever it may be started going crazy with them oh really yeah so like just crazy crazy crazy so they had to stop doing like some

of their research that's like the ouija board you know people that get involved it's all connected

it's all connected right yeah are you familiar with the skull experiments the skull i'm not sure i'm not sure c-o-l-e so it was a group of experiments done in the 90s where you're familiar with ce5 right yeah yeah well ce5 is really for lack of a better word what like an 18th century spiritualist would call a seance yeah okay so they were doing these seances in a basement and then you know they started to experience poltergeist activity and it started to advance to the point that they were seeing entities and they have video of this entity they called mr blue it looks like a gray it's just like a blue ethereal thing on camera but again it's all about consciousness and i think your point about reality there's actually a theory in physics that touches on it is called e8 lattice theory where our reality is a four-dimensional projection of eight-dimensional hyperspace so like a like a hypersphere and then each layer of reality you just like a like you kind of peel back an onion and the kind of the angle of that projection again i'm grossly oversimplifying this it's just a separate reality yeah so whatever we're interfacing with has found some way to pierce through that veil however it might be it could be reality vibrates at different frequencies and the same thing might be true of time right when people see ghosts right that just might be some signal to noise like the signal right bleed over from a different frequency that somebody's seeing so you know if time is simultaneous i don't know if i'm throwing a lot out there right now that may be some sort of a explanation for it because we're not like actually solid right 99.999 percent of us is empty space

we're just vibrating quarks yeah yeah it's so interesting i interviewed a gal by the name of pamela nance and she does a lot of research in poltergeist activity and things and she was at a place in south carolina i believe it was at an old mansion and started to experience hearing sounds and like gunshots and things of that nature and to the extent that this entity appeared and it was obviously something that was going on during the civil war and based on this person's attire and things of that nature and they actually had communication and the person that she saw was looking at her and said you look

dead you look dead and it was like she was looking at it and her feeling was well it was obviously dead and this is the civil war you know you must be dead and so here's this bleeding you

know time-wise and we don't understand i don't pretend to know what it is i'm just throwing out you know possible theories but i think there's stuff here that's so so weird oh yeah And I think it also borders on human potential. That's the other story that they don't want people delving too much into. So you look at quantum mechanics, right? The observer effect.

Yeah.

You can, in some sense, shape your own reality. And I think that's terrifying for them. If they had a mass awakening of that, they worry about something called pan-psychic collapse. Where, you know, if true, right? If true, if people could shape reality on a mass scale, you have... The only reason things, our reality is stable, according, you know, in this theory, I don't know if it's true or not, is because there's a consensus reality. If that consensus breaks down, you have a chaotic reality. So, again, just speculating. It probably sounds crazy to you right now.

Well, no, no, absolutely not. Okay, so you wanted to find out a little bit more. I just found the page here in the book that talks about that symbol. Okay. And it's a sign for ammonium salts used during the 17th century. It's also one of the old alchemical signs for the planet Venus. Let's see. It's between the number eight. There's a relationship between the number eight graphically represented by these signs in the planet Venus. The eight-point star was established in the Euphrates-Tigris region 3,000 years earlier as a symbol for the Venus goddess Ishtar. So it's like...

Yeah, he said it's eight-pointed. Let me see. One, two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight. Yeah, so there's the chaos thing, kind of a symbol in chaos magic. It basically has these same star with eight things, except there's barbed arrows on the end, and then there's a circle in the middle. So there's something in the human subconscious that keeps repeating this particular symbol, whatever it may be.

For whatever reason. So look it up afterwards. And a number three. The number three. Three things. I always have to do things in threes, whatever, you know.

You said you saw like a triangle. Did you say you saw a triangle?

No, no. I just saw an object. It was actually an oval type of an object, self-illuminated. Yeah. Well, yeah, triangles are really popular these days, that's for sure.

Yeah, the three, right, elements of three. Right. And then in the Opus 4 survey that you talked about, are there any common entities that they see at a statistically significant level?

Oh, yeah. Certainly the greys, the small greys, the tall greys are probably the ones that people see the most. But also in line with that, orbs have become very popular as far as what people are seeing. And then also poltergeist activity is very prevalent in a lot of these cases. And, of course, you've got the usual other suspects, the reptilians, the mantid-type creatures, the Nordics, and our military. You know, some of these people come back and say, oh, yeah, I was involved with the greys, but also there was a military guy standing around in his uniform. so there's obviously that connection that that people have been talking about for a long time that seems to be real that our government is in cahoots with these entities or a certain group of entities anyway so yeah it's you know was this guy this general a couple of years ago wrote a book his name haima shed i guess it was that uh israeli guy council yeah and that we're involved with this we got bases on the moon on mars it's interesting you know that the space force has come about quote unquote all of a sudden yeah i think the person who had it probably right

was charles fort are you familiar with his yeah sure yep earth is a farm and we are someone else's property no yeah i think that's i think that's really literally what it is look i have no way of of knowing but it all seems to indicate that well yeah

I mean, you do hear stories that are pretty scary about the fact that, yeah, besides cattle mutilations, you've got human mutilations. And, hey, we're food. We could be food. You know, whoever's harvesting us.

I can't think of a specific case, but I've heard it bantered around that there have been crashes. And sometimes during these recoveries, they find human body parts where people will be on craft and they'll see a vat filled with human body parts. Just, again, I can't point to a specific case. So this is word of mouth. It can be complete.

Yeah, I think Linda Howe did a show, I think, one time, or maybe it wasn't a show. Maybe it was a conversation I've had with her. Matter of fact, she did the forward to my book. I wrote a book a couple of years ago, The Unknown Other and the Existential Proposition of Alien Contact, which is a broad overview of the phenomena and various aspects of physical and psychological aspects of being taken and everything from implants. You're familiar with the late Dr. Roger Lear's work with removing implants and things of that nature. So there's a whole section on that in there. And these things are remarkable. I mean, you know, they're made up of some pretty bizarre stuff and do pretty bizarre things and actually are transmitting in the FM band. Where is that going? Who's tracking it? You know, is it our guys, you know, or their guys?

I mean, if it's transmitting in the FM band, it's us. If it's transmitting in like some sort of quantum communication protocol, it would be them.

Yeah. the roger lear talks about this is no inflammatory rejection reaction by the body to these foreign objects you know you get a splinter in your finger you know you got it no visible portal of entry collections of specialized nerve endings surrounding the object an outer coating of ceramic biological material a metallic phase where inorganic metal becomes biological tissue the emission of radio waves which are deep space frequencies deep space

frequencies in the fm band electromagnetic what is that 1.6 gigahertz yeah that's the one that

they're talking about on the skinwalker ranch thing well by the way you know that that's the

frequency we use to communicate with satellites and space right yeah yeah yeah that's why it's

suspicious to me that uh-huh electromagnetic fields in excess of 10 milligauss composition of meteoric iron 66 rare earth metals such as u-236 a single isotope of uranium existing by itself as well as elements such as uridium which is very rare in the earth's crust this is the part that's really interesting non-triestral isotopic ratios indicating the involved elements did not come from earth well you know and then it goes on he's got a number of other aspects but anyway I should read his book if people haven't read it, Alien in the Scalpel. So it's a pretty interesting read.

And you're familiar with the apport phenomena, right?

Yes.

Yeah. So just imagine if you had a technology where you could literally just apport those objects into somebody's body.

Yeah.

Right. And that way you don't have any signs of entry or exit. Yeah.

And that could be exactly how it's being done.

absolutely again like everything i said is speculation again because after the last five years it's hard to believe anything unless you have direct knowledge or experience of it right and i'm talking once you start asking these questions right you start asking like well did the civil war happen did that you know what i mean like well how do you know happened well it's because it was in a book somebody now i believe it happened right but the reason i believe it happened is my family my father has a discharge papers of like a great great grandfather that came out of it so i know it was real but well that's where you know

i was going to say it's the same thing that goes with the the holocaust you know a lot of people

nowadays say oh it never happened you know well what happened i think the numbers were probably inflated right but yeah i mean i'm not it definitely happened but again i haven't spent any time like well this is the thing though but how could people not believe that with all the

evidence that's available to people and this is the same thing that's going on now with our politics that such crazy crap is going on and these people that believe it are just freaking insane well

Well, the other thing, too, is there's some stuff out there that sounds literally insane, and then you start digging into it, and you find out it's real, like the whole Epstein thing. People are like, you're crazy. That's impossible. And then you start digging into it, and you're like, no, this is real. These people did these things. And they're in our government now, and that's why it's not being, right? I mean, let's take Howard Lutnick, for example. Like, there's a fucking mask of him, like some ritual mask that they had hanging on the wall in, like, the Epstein. It's just, like, you can't make this stuff up. So, you know, again, let's take the Holocaust as an example. I can't tell you if it's real or not real. There were definitely an extreme, like, it definitely happened. but the details there's so much muddying of history that i can't tell you with confidence that you know it was six million that was this and that and i wouldn't have said that five years ago but after covid i mean just remember i gotta be very careful with this remember the pandemic right if you said hey there's wuhan institute of virology for novel coronavirus research like right down the street from where this thing broke out like and you're saying that like there were a bunch of savages at a wet market and it just escaped from the wet market oh no you're a racist you think it was a lab leak i'm not a racist for thinking that these people were eating like animals and like what right so anytime there's like a a reaction like that i immediately question what the narrative is i immediately question what the official government narrative is and you have to be that way because that's how this control system is maintained so again i unless i physically experienced it or have like physical evidence of something yeah i'm literally open to any potential narrative because our government has been systematically lying to us about literally everything from at least since 1947 right with the advent of the national security state etc and my only the only reason i would think that that would be the case is that our reality is managed and even human beings the way that we're designed it doesn't make any sense right like we don't see into the ultraviolet spectrum we don't see into the infrared spectrum but animals all around us do like b c and ultraviolet etc it's almost as if we were deliberately our senses were deliberately engineered or retarded to not see certain areas of the light spectrum so that literally other things can surround us and monitor us

and we wouldn't see this is a thing that happens with people in a crowd some people will see a ufo and others will not see it in that same crowd okay and i believe the reason the same crowd

there are cases where someone sees a ufo and someone else sees an angel well that's a whole

another layer there's something reality co-creation of reality right and perception yeah where there's

something out there right well some phenomena that hacks into your consciousness and is able to project itself in so for instance why in like you know the 1800s and things like that people were seeing fairies and gin and the fairies behave exactly like rays do today where they abduct people there's missing time there's yeah change the changeling phenomenon i'm not saying

they're the same thing but i'm saying that well it depends on you know what you're brought up with your life experiences at the time you know it's like the indians when they saw the ships coming you know columbus's ships they had no they couldn't fathom what the hell that was there's

no yeah emotional or sorry right like rolodex in their minds or database that they can write from

exactly exactly and you know we haven't talked about this and i don't know if we want to get into this but the bottom line is that you know we have people now that from an evolutionary standpoint are are ahead of a lot of us gary nolan from stanford university has done some research on these people and they find in the area between the caudic and putamen area and the brain there's a lot more connections and these people seem to have telepathic psychic abilities and it runs in families and what he's saying is the fact that you know geologists say that our planet is four billion years old right but in order for man to be where it is now especially with these people something this planet would have to be nine billion years old so that the geologists are wrong or somebody screwed around with our genome to get people in this way to have that kind of

connection that reminds me of a question on your survey the opus 4 survey did you ask anything about ethnicity your blood type anything like that rh negative factor we did not we did not

this was more psychological than you know blood work and things of that nature but the full details are going to be except for the second phase of the omega-4 is on the site but yeah rh negative is very popular as a matter of fact i'm trying to think i've dealt with that in a presentation i made years ago and i have to dig that out right now but the bottom line is is the fact that yeah there is some peculiarities as far as the experiencers what types of blood types they are which seem to be very very popular if you will and this came from elizondo i think but

is there any correlation with people of celtic or cherokee descent sort of a common thing where you

have native americans that are very popular military people families military families seem to be another hot spot yeah and one thing i always say is that our native american friends are very comfortable with all of this they've been they got their arms around this very well seemingly we don't see many native americans coming to us for help matter of fact i don't

think we have any yeah we should probably go to them for help actually exactly exactly exactly oh yeah and then anything else that you think that the audience might want to learn about you

your organization or this topic yeah yeah well first of all sean thank you very much again for having me on here with you today uh it's really appreciated and thank you for what you do and getting the word out on a lot of interesting very interesting topics yeah our organization You can go to our website, which is opusnetwork.org. There you'll find a lot of helpful information. You can contact us through our support button there if you're looking for help. We also have a YouTube channel. We're also on Facebook, Instagram, and the YouTube channel, if you could go there and hit the like button, you know, all the standard stuff. That helps us out since we're a nonprofit. And we're also looking for more therapists, okay, licensed therapists. credentialed people, hypnotherapists. We're always looking for more help in that regard. And if you've got the kind of background, we're always looking for more triage people that have a good handle on a lot of this type of information so that they can interface with these people. So we're always looking for more help. And we have a lot of information in the articles and documents section that might be very interesting for people. it's very helpful information as far as for experiencers specifically and i don't know in my book is on amazon the unknown other and the existential proposition of alien contact which gives you a tremendous overview of the phenomena and a lot of detail as far as you know implants all the physical aspects of it and automatic writing there's a whole section on what people have given to us as far as the automatic writing that they've been doing and why they needed to do

it. Can you jump into that really quick? I know we're out of time, but it's really quick.

Yeah, there seems to be a real compunction for a lot of these experiences to all of a sudden start writing. And the languages are literally uncipherable, but seems to have a tremendous amount of meaning to people and there's a gentleman who since passed away it was at harvard a gentleman by the name of pug lisi who gathered a lot of examples of this automatic writing that was going on and he was never able to decipher any real meaning in any of this but the simple fact of the matter is it is so varied i mean some of it looks arabic some of it looks korean or Japanese and but it's not it's not and so we only present that in the sense that there seems to be a significant compunction for people to start writing this thing and i think spielberg's new movie disclosure day one of the scenes that they just showed on steven colbert's show steven spielberg was on there the other night a guy taped this gal clicking making those clicking sounds and he said you know when i first heard that i didn't understand it but now for whatever reason i'm understanding it and i think what's going to happen is a lot of this type of information we haven't understood it so far but i think we will at some point and i guess the main focus in his new movie is more about empathy and how significant that is and so i i mean it's just mind-boggling all this information that's

hitting us right now and where it's going and have you reverted back to this automatic writing these symbols and stuff like that given the advent of ai and maybe having ai systems

start to try to interpret yeah no that's a good question that's a good question have ai take a

look at some of this stuff absolutely you're going to need some sort of rosetta stone to figure it

out but maybe they can look at the commonalities yeah no that's a good suggestion that's a very

good suggestion maybe something for another book oh i'm sure if this guy at harvard was doing his thing i i am yeah i'm very sure the government's already fed this and they've done that 10 year old ai yeah yeah for sure all right my friend any final words for the audience no just have a

wonderful day if you've got any issues yourself or any friends are looking for assistance please have them hit our website at opus network.org and we appreciate any donations you guys can give us

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absolute pleasure and sorry i was feeling frisky this morning so i talked that's good that's good

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