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I'm awake. Are you? I wonder how many miles I've fallen. It seems I'll get to the center of the earth. Curious, isn't it? And really, nothing's quite impossible. Let's go now to our new episode of The Unfiltered Rise with me, Heidi Love.

Hello, everyone, and welcome to another episode of The Unfiltered Rise with me, Heidi Love. And today I have back with me a reoccurring guest. You may remember him. I sure do. He was on the first podcast. Well, I ever almost did. I did one solo and then I came on a panel with Brennan. Brennan, how are you doing today? I'm doing great. Feels good to be back. It's been a while. I'm excited for this. You know, it's almost been three years. Isn't that

wild? I think we can all attest that 2020 feels like 20 minutes ago and 20 years ago. So I don't

really know at this point we we probably are in a mandela effect and maybe you know it's not even the year we think it is anymore i don't know but i do know this brennan was there when i did my first download on the mormons you guys like he he was the one that i came on for a totally different chat uh the first one i ever did was about tunnels and a high school and then brennan was there for

the mormon breakdown my beginnings you know we say hey we're doing your deliverance now but really the most important thing that we can do for you is we can give you a toolkit that's going to help you live free for the rest of your life because unfortunately it's exactly like what ephesians 6 says we live in a very spiritual warfare environment like this side of eternity until the kingdom comes, until Jesus separates the sheep from the goats and throws everything into the lake of fire, there's going to be spiritual warfare. And, you know, we're going to fall short in areas. So we need to cultivate a life of freedom. So, I mean, I try to do this daily. Sometimes I forget, but, you know, I got to sit down at the end of the day. Jesus, I choose to repent for yelling at that guy in traffic because he honked at me. And I ask that you bless him. and you start to cultivate that rhythm and that pattern so you don't get into those places where you feel like you've hoarded all this stuff anymore it's so much easier to see the the cobweb in the corner and go through and clean it out than it is to because i think that's the thing is like most people they're either late 20s 30s 40s whatever they just have all this stuff and they don't even know where to start so they just never want to start but you know once you you go through that process and you find that first like deliverance like there's nothing better than

living in freedom well and it makes you feel like i don't know not that i'm like i said maybe i did it maybe i didn't do it a hundred whatever i feel like i'm definitely walking the path but i feel like you you change who you really who you are like how you react like um now my daughter will be like, that guy cut you off. And I'm like, oh, he just needed to get over or not, not every time. Sometimes if it's crazy, I mean, I might be like, what the, but you know, it's, it's fine. Like most of the time, most things are like, ah, whatever, you know, I will say this. That's really weird. After that happened, I got a dog and I've never had a dog, not one that picked me. I had dogs, but never a dog that was mine that chose me right like because I was never an animal person and they really didn't like me that much and I'm allergic to cats so the cats liked me I couldn't really like them and I try to die every time I'm around them so this dog of mine he's like my child now he's the best one because he listens better than the rest um he's he's like so important to me and I didn't get the people that had the dog on their key chain and stuff. Now that's me. But also other dogs, other people's dogs, like I'll be at the store and they're seeing iDog or whatever. And I'm like, oh my gosh, like, no, no, stay there. Like dogs that never do that. They're like, that dog never does that. Like that's a weird thing. I think that's happened and babies, but the babies always did that. I think that's just a nurse thing or a mom thing. I have a lot

of kids so i don't know but the more that's the only spirit like yeah you know i think i think you know as christians like we should we should find those things normal that people would be drawn to us you know because if i mean this is what we were just talking about the fruit of the spirit you know when you are exuding those things because the spirit right is driving not your soul or your body like you're gonna have more patience you're gonna have more gentleness you're gonna on more kindness i mean even since probably the last two years when you know when i got baptized

spirit. Like people literally are like, dude, your eyes are like, your eyes are glowing. Like I had brown eyes, but you know, if you see them in person, they're almost like yellow or kind of look fiery. And they, they were dull before. And I was, you know, I was a believer. And I think that's something too, to even just talk about was like, you know, for me, I grew up, like I got baptized when I was 20. I got water baptized when I was 20 something, you know, but I didn't, i didn't see any evidence when it came to like gifts of the spirit and so i was you know you just you're taught okay well when you you know you get baptized you get you receive the spirit and then everything's the same but well when i had that experience where i started praying in the spirit i was like uh something is different because that i've never done that before so you know i was reading through the scripture and i mean think about apollos in in acts where it talks about? He was, he was a believer. He believed in Jesus. He was a Jesus believing Jew was walking around doing, you know, evangelism and he runs into Paul and Paul's like, well, did you get the Holy Spirit? And he's like, I don't even know what that is. And he's like, okay, well, let me, let me show you the next level to it. And so he, you know, he takes him and some other guys and they go and they get baptized in the Holy Spirit. And so that was another thing in Hebrews six, where it says you know laying on of hands and baptisms and i read it like four times and then i zoomed in on it and then i was like that's plural i'd never read it as pearl as plural so you know it's it's really interesting and i think that there's i think there is a case to be made that the first baptism of holy spirit that we see is jesus's baptism when the the dove ascends And because of that, he's able to carry out all these miracles and all these things. And that's why he says, greater things you're going to do than even I did. Because you're going to have this, you know, that's why John says, I can baptize you with water, but there's one that's going to baptize you in fire. And so I think, you know, just being able to do deliverance, you know, and if you're a believer, you have that authority. You have that same Holy Spirit. There is nothing different between me or Prince or Isaiah Salvador or your pastor. There's no difference. We all have the same Holy Spirit and we all carry the same authority.

But for people that are unsure, why don't you let them know about something that has happened that has definitely manifested where you are like, whoa, that is dark. So because you're going to get some people that say, this is a bunch of shenanigans. This is a bunch of lies.

oh like what evidence have i seen about it yeah yeah well this is tricky because i do want to clarify i think a lot of people especially when they come into the ministry they're very very nervous because they've seen movies like the exorcist and it paints deliverance in a really like brutal dark light where it doesn't have to be like that so it's important and I always tell people when they're nervous, I say, have you watched The Exorcist? And they're like, yeah, I've seen it. And I'm like, okay, well, you know that that movie is not based on Catholic exorcisms. That movie is based on an ancient Babylonian text about a white magician who is trying to replace a black spirit in someone. That is a power struggle between black magic and white magic. We're not fighting that battle. We have all the power and all the authority. So when we come into a room, we have a prayer that we pray and we set it up exactly like a courtroom and we say, all right, any unclean spirits in this room, you're in court. Yehovah God is above. He is the judge. Jesus is here. His ministering angels are here. Here's what you're allowed to do. Here's what you're not allowed to do. And if you don't follow those instructions, it's going to be even worse for you. So, I mean, we have seen, you know, obviously we've seen manifestations and honestly the manifestations that I've seen that are the most we'll call

flamboyant are probably he was telling you all kinds of stuff I'm like right and he's like why did you stay I'm like because she clearly needed somebody he's like why you're so weird and he just

I always joke with my wife that I need to get face tattoos so that people will not tell me their life story but they probably still will yeah well I think I know it's like I think that's you know as believers or people who you know follow Jesus like culturally we're told like you're not supposed to talk about that you're not supposed to make people uncomfortable I mean people more now than ever are just hungry to find purpose they're hungry to find meaning and you know especially after everything that happened with uh you know Charlie Kirk like everyone's witnessing a spiritual battle play out and so for the Thank you.

first time, there were so many people who were like, I don't see right and left anymore. I only see good and evil. And there's something spiritual behind this. So I think the last Barna study that came out said that even amongst Bible believing Christians, six out of 10 don't believe in a spiritual realm. Really? I didn't know that. That number was only going upwards. And I mean, I'm assuming it's probably going down now, but that's wild to me to think you could go into a church and over half the people would tell you you're crazy if you believe that Satan's real.

No way. No way. Like they, I mean, well, I guess that's the best trick he ever did, right? Make everybody believe he didn't exist. Hmm. I did not know that. That, that's actually shocking to me. And sad, because if you have nothing to fear, then what are you, I mean, I don't know. What's the point? Yeah. If you're a Bible-believing Christian, here's the thing, what Jesus was, what was he doing while he was here, Brennan? I want to know.

I mean, that's literally, he was exercising authority.

And exercising people.

Yeah. I mean, and that's just it. It's like the more that you, that's what's so incredible about the things that we're doing, the things that we're talking about. Sometimes if you ask people about Genesis 6 or you ask them about giants or whatever, they're like, that doesn't matter. Only the gospel matters. And it's like, do you even know what the gospel is? Because I'm pretty sure that the gospel is that the kingdom is coming. And the kingdom is coming in power and authority, whether you like it or not. And so if you have an Old Testament context, you understand that there were kingdoms at battle all the time. And especially for Israel in that time, they would have known we got our butt kicked by the giants a lot. And then, you know, you have even ancient writings like Jubilees where Noah is literally talking about how as soon as his kids got off the ark, they were being demonized. And he was praying to God and he was like, hey, these unclean spirits, these Nephilim spirits, they're like, they're coming after my kids. And you see that all the way through the Old Testament because there's no power through the Holy Spirit, right? and then you see once jesus ascends to his priesthood he has a better role now as the high priest so the priesthood in the old testament is good but it's limited because they're limited by their sin so they were responsible for the earthly temple but they didn't have any responsibility but like the fleshly temple and so when you know jesus now is the perfect priest has ascended to the heavenly temple he has authority to pour out the baptism of the holy spirit so we get to walk in the spirit we get to walk in power that's why all the crowds were so amazed because for the first time Jesus was actually exercising authority over these unclean spirits that's why if it's kind of tricky but if you can read if you read the Gospels really fast you'll pick things up that you wouldn't pick up if you just read them one by one so some of the stories actually compound on each other I think about Jesus casting one of the spirits out and they say surely this is the son of man but in the next gospel over it talks about how they basically the same story they say he must be the son of david because they're equating that jesus was the first one since david

to have like authority over the nephilim okay that's pretty good i mean people i don't think people really understand you know when we talk about interdimensional or nephilim right they think this is a joke. I mean, sometimes I think they think it's like, Oh, this is Nephilim shit for lack of a better word that a lot of people say, and it's funny and I get it, but like it's, it's disembodied spirits. Like, I don't think people really understand that the lineage, you know, they follow lines, they follow bloodlines, they follow, they know everything about you. Like, I mean, I don't know. I just think that people don't fully comprehend that if you believe in an angel, which everybody seems to be okay with that, even though they're scary and look like a wheel and eyeballs and stuff. But that's fine. Whatever. They're fine about having a guardian angel. But when it comes to the other side of that, because we know that everything that's created, there's a dual nature to everything in life. Yeah. I'm pretty sure

there's another side to that coin. Do you remember that show in the 90s? I think it was called like touched by an angel that was all about angels i loved that show dude i feel like if i watched it back now i'd probably be like this is so off yeah where's where's the million

eyes and the you know the wheels on wheels and well if you think about it i'm pretty sure like

every single one of the angels in that series aren't they all

women i think they might be well okay they are this is not sexist all right i'm just this is just the scripture okay i take i didn't say scripture said it there's there's no female angels right you know like that's why why do you think the angels were like oh man there's something special about women like we don't have any of those up here you know right i mean that as a compliment to women like there's something so unique about you there's something that god created you to do and be that I as a man will never be. And that's why they, you know, the angels were like, there's something very valuable about this. But the only example that we see of winged women in the scripture is when Zephaniah gets the vision of the two winged women carrying the baby in the basket. And then he asked the guardian angel, who's a guy, he says, what does this vision mean? And he says, well, those women are carrying destruction to Babylon. So they were messengers that were carrying destruction. And then, you know, we're getting there. It's not Thanksgiving yet, but don't you find it ironic that they were, the winged women were carrying destruction to Babylon. And then every year we put up Christmas trees and put

winged women on them. I don't think I'm doing that now. I don't want a winged woman on there

if it's destruction just get yourself a wheel with the eyes to put on the yeah yeah we got to

go all real in this i mean but it's funny to me that people always and the other thing that they can't really um my mom especially she has a hard time with this she's like well we should be calling out you know for the angels to help i'm like no hold your roll you should cry out to god he'll send the angels if he needs to and she's like no no you know we should pray to and i'm like no you should not because for the prime example and the thing that cracked the code for heidi the mormon john d okay so we know this he gave up his whole life and his wife and had to raise another dude's baby because he did what some angels said to do i don't think they're very benevolent i think unless god sends them we shouldn't be uh having them manifest on we're people they hate you by

the way. Well, yeah. And there's, I mean, angel worship is not new in any sense. I mean, even even the Essenes were like huge angel worshipers. So there's been plenty of sects and groups of people who have fallen into angel worship rather than worshiping the creator who created the angels

who has authority over them. Yes. They're militant. They just carry out orders pretty much. And that's what they're there for. And that's what they do. They do it good. But we don't control them. And it's a joke if you think you can. Like, I don't care. I mean, that's just not your realm. You're not God. God controls the benevolent angels. That's his job. I don't know what we control here when we start messing with that. I don't think they're benevolent. That's my my take on it just like none of them not the ones that they're conjured not the ones conjured oh right yeah no that's good now by man by man right i think if if god sends an angel sure yes definitely but if you're conjuring and you're drawing you know solomon magic for this and yes

joseph yeah it's a bad that's that's bad news pears that's not what you want to do you know and uh i mean i guess where do you want to start when it comes to deliverance do you want to start

with our approach like i don't know yeah like i mean okay number one how do you know for sure

that if you need a deliverance yeah you know i would i would venture to say if you're a person you definitely need deliverance because you know there there are certain things that you know we we look for as deliverance ministers that unclean spirits use as footholds and so where we get that term footholds is from ephesians i believe it's chapter four where it says you know don't let the the devil get a foothold and so i would say this is probably you know contrary this is the big this the big debate is like if you're saved you don't need deliverance versus if you're if you're not saved then you you know and what we actually you know and this is not going to be a definitive like this is everything that's right about uh deliverance like everything that i say is you're you can watch 50 different videos about deliverance and you're gonna get 50 different answers and i mean me being two years in i'm still i am learning on the fly and god literally teaches me something new every single session, every single person. So, you know, maybe we'll rerecord this in two years and I'll be like, remember all that stuff I said?

changed my mind. I don't know. But, you know, I would say if you're not a believer, don't mess with deliverance because Jesus is very clear. He says, you know, if you cast the spirit out and you tell it to go to the dry place and you don't fill that house, you don't fill the temple with the Holy Spirit, seven even worse are going to come back. So you're going to feel good for a little while and then it's going to be way worse. So if you're someone who's new to faith, maybe you're exploring you know who is jesus what can you do you know uh give your life to jesus first let him seal you so the way that we talk about it is we're a three-part being we're body soul spirit and that to us kind of matches uh basically the framework of the temple in the old testament so you have the outer court the inner court and the holy of holy in the same way it kind of works for us when it comes to just access to the spiritual realm has. So obviously when you're a believer, you want to be walking in the spirit. You want the Holy Spirit to fill every single part of your temple. So the outer court, the inner court, and the Holy of Holy. But when you're saved, you know, the Holy of Holy, the very most inner part is sealed. That means that you can't be possessed by a spirit, but you can be oppressed. So the things like bitterness, hatred, unforgiveness, resentment, generational curses, soul ties, you know, all those things give little access points either in your outer court or your inner court where, you know, a spirit can kind of grab on and cling. And so what we do is we try to work through all those, you know, we have this big long form and you fill it out and you feel like you put your whole life on display and the way we kind of explain it is like hoarding in a house right so you have all these life experiences you have your childhood trauma you have not only your trauma but everything generationally up and till that you know four generations back sometimes more especially if it's masonry and uh you know then you have hurt disappointment soul ties all those things so what we do is we try to work through people hey forgive this person repent for this thing change your mind about it you know let's break these generational curses and so after that happens that's usually when we see the most

amount of freedom happen and do you i i know this answer but for people what do they look like

afterward is there a change we've literally had p like people's faces like change like people literally look like they get a facelift like their eyes are brighter like their their whole

like being is just brighter yes 100 i i don't know i don't know if you can do self-deliverance

i don't know you think this is a thing so the way that we approach it is that and i don't i don't have a strict like the you know verse reference for this this is just what we've seen is we have a lot of people who come to us because they've tried to do self-deliverance and you know there's always the fringe outlier like what if i'm on a deserted island and i'm the only one there like yes i think the holy spirit is going to show up and give you freedom but there's something about the way that god designed us to be in community to be part of the ecclesia which is the gathering to come into agreement with other people who are walking in the spirit and so we we usually point them to hebrews chapter six where it talks about the basics of the faith and one of those is laying on of hands so usually what we find is that if you can you know humble yourself enough to go through the process let someone else carry that burden for a little while go through your initial deliverance after that we all can do self-deliverance

so i know you mentioned on zoom you did it once so how does that work out with the the hands and stuff uh oh zoom i was just curious oh yeah i mean there's and there's a and maybe that isn't

like a physic like a true physicality like you know i mean obviously paul had no idea there was

going to be zoom right right there would have been no i just i just asked because yeah there's a lot

of ministries who do it i mean obviously if i had my choice i would always want to do it in person you can just feel things differently but sometimes that's just not available that's to me that's more like stranded island thing like i don't think you know um that's that's actually my first deliverance experience so you know i i got baptized in the blue spirit like in the spring and then was like holy cow like there's some real spiritual realm stuff going on and i started having all these weird things happen. And I had been working with a guy. who was helping me just develop some websites. We had a working relationship and we didn't talk about faith a lot, but he, I knew he had a faith background. And so, um, one day he just messaged me on Slack and he's like, Hey, just so you know, like if I'm, if I'm kind of AWOL or I disappear at the end of the year, um, I've been struggling with suicide ideation and I need to go to inpatient treatment. And I was like, Oh shoot, that's heavy. I'm like, I'm really sorry that you like, you have to deal with that. And I asked him, I was like, do you think you can be free from that? And he was like, I think so. So I just started asking him some questions. I'm like, what's your family background? You know, he has some childhood trauma and asked him about, um, his spouse was hispanic so a lot of like mary worship witchcraft um so i was like i don't know you want to go after some stuff he was like i guess so we just start praying and i basically led him through like some repentance stuff i started binding all these spirits and then there's just like a moment where I just was trying to ask the Lord what to do and so I'm just kind of praying in the spirit like under my you know quietly he's sitting there praying and then all of a sudden the Holy Spirit said he needs to pray in the spirit and I was like I don't even know if he can do that like this is gonna be so awkward you know and this is like this is like super christianese for people I hope this isn't like I'm not skimming over too many things but Like, tongues can be, like, very divisive. And just to let you guys know, like, tongues is the only gift that's for us. Our prayer language is for us. All the other gifts are so that you can help other believers and help other people. And you, it's your responsibility to steward those gifts. So word of knowledge, prophecy, all those things are just as important. But tongues is the only one that gives you a direct line for the Holy Spirit to speak through you. And it's completely changed my prayer life. And if you want that, it's okay to want that. And we just have to learn how to use it wisely. Because, you know, Pentecostal churches and everyone has just, like, made it a circus trick, which is, it's not it. So I said, ah, Holy Spirit said you're supposed to pray in the Spirit. And he was like, oof, it's been a while.

So I was like, well, at least he wasn't like, I can't do that, because that would have been very awkward. So I said, why don't you just pray in your spirit language and come into agreement with whatever God's doing right now? So he started praying and I'll never forget it. It was literally like I heard his soul cry out to God and the room went still like I could have heard a marshmallow hit the floor. And I just asked him, I was like, dude, do you feel that? And he was like, this is literally the first time that my mind has been quiet in probably two and a half years. well fast forward you know we probably prayed for 30 minutes like he never went to inpatient treatment his marriage is fine and now he's he works full-time at a church wow that's awesome

i only asked you all this stuff because i'll tell you brennan i think i might have accidentally delivered myself once not to say that i'm fully maybe i accidentally i'm serious on this I was crying out to God and I was by myself. I will tell you, I suffered like a horrible physical injury afterward, which is kind of crazy. But yeah, everybody else was gone. They were going down the river. I don't go down the river because I'm a person that gets hurt a lot. So I'm like, no, no, I'll just stay here and read my scriptures. And I'd been in the scriptures, in the scriptures, in the scriptures, in the scriptures. I was just really sad about my daughter. And I was all alone. And it was like this camping spot, but like, there's no cell phones. It's like desolate nature. It's just nature. And after that, it was like, at least an hour of just crazy prayer. And then like, right after that, this chaos broke out at the camp next door, which I was like, what is going on? Like, what is happening? They're like screaming, fighting over there. I'm like, whoa. So I was like trying to look for my husband, get the heck out of there for a minute. Those people left. I was super glad. Ended up fracturing my disc like right as I got home after this. But anyways, if you were to ask anybody what I looked like 10 years ago, or I could even show you, well, it'd be a little more than 10 years ago. I probably look 15 years younger now than I did. And it's so weird. And everybody says, oh, what did you have done? Or you know, stuff. And I'm like, no, nothing. Like, God, I don't know. And people always say you look so different now. You're just different. And I'm like, it's not just about the looks. It's a lot of things. But honestly, something scary and it was weird because when it happened, before the people freaked, it got really quiet. It's nature, man. There's bugs and things and buzzing. It's never that quiet right there. And it did. It got super quiet. And then I just was bawling my head off. And then I went home and I woke up and my back was broken. I didn't do anything. I didn't do anything. I don't have a cool story. I didn't unpack the trailer. I didn't do anything. I went to sleep. I was exhausted and I woke up and I couldn't move. And so that sucked, but I'm okay now. I'm so repaired back. Not so good, but that's okay. I'll take it. I don't know. That's

why i'm not i'm definitely not gonna be the one to say like that if there's anything that i've learned when it comes to the holy spirit is uh do not put it in a box it was weird i think that's what everyone wants clarity everyone wants exactness everyone wants to think we want to know you know we want to know xyz well i mean if we want to be really serious if you if you think that you know you can pray a certain prayer anoint a certain oil uh you know draw this do this that's christian witchcraft that's the same thing and i've really been just trying to sit and process with you know what jesus says about prayer right and authority and you know i think it's matthew 18 he says whatever you bind is bound whatever you loose is loosed and you know if you look in the greek just so what bind and loose is is talking about it's whatever you disagree with you know is void whatever you agree with stands and the challenge in that is that if if you're praying and you're asking the lord father what do you want to bind and what do you want to agree with and what do you want to disagree with what you're doing is you're actually teaching yourself to come into agreement and understanding of god's will and so what we do sometimes is we try to do the little tricks that we know, right? Like if I pray this way, or I read this thing, or I claim this out of context, Old Testament verse, I can make God do what I want him to. And that's as witchcraft. So we have to be really careful to just say, okay, God, whatever you want to do in this moment, you have permission. Whatever you ask me to do, I will do it. And, you know, it's hard because I've seen amazing things that I'm like, oh my gosh, how is that impossible and then I've seen things where it's like you know someone will come in and you can tell they're just hurting and broken and they leave and you know it wasn't a complete deliverance but it's because they didn't they weren't ready to let go they weren't ready to change their mind they weren't ready to like they some people don't know any different than the oppression and they're afraid of what their life would look like if they're free and you have to be okay with

of. Yeah. Yeah. I think it's true. Two things happened to me. A, the back. B, I said I would do anything. But I had been working on this for months because I found a Derek Prince video. I didn't know anything about anything. But he did say some important things that I know he's associated with some weird things also. But he does do deliverance ministry. So he did tell me to write a bunch of things down, like all your different ancestry curses. Like, what has your family done? What have you done? I have these big notebooks of things, right? And this is what I was praying over at that time. So it wasn't like it just came out of nowhere. I definitely had been doing some work on it. But I will say this. I said, God, I'll do anything if you help me. And I heard that I was going to do a podcast. And I said, yeah, that's stupid. I don't know three people that like me. I maybe have five in my life and three definitely don't like me. I don't know what you want me to do with that. I didn't do it. I didn't do it for a long time until Josh. And it had happened that summer before. And then I hurt my back and I had all the back stuff happen. Then I finally did it, but I knew it was coming. But I kept dragging my feet and saying, no, this is stupid. I can't run the computer. I don't know how. I had a floppy disk when I was in ninth grade. What do you want from me? It was just impossible in my mind, right? But God made it possible. I still don't know. People will ask me, what did you do for your algorithm? And I'm like, and they think I'm trying to keep this crazy secret. And I'm like, I don't know. And they're like, well, what did you do? And I'm like, I don't know. I just got mad at the thing and then uploaded it and the first six were on iMovie.

This is the technology that you're dealing with. I remember. I remember. Yeah. Yeah. It's sad. So, you know, and along the way, I mean, obviously God was right and I was wrong and horribly wrong. And I mean, people write me all the time and tell me, you changed my life, you know, and I'm like, no, God changed your life. I just have a big mouth, you know, and he knew that, obviously.

Oh, I get that so much. i was just on uh a little youtube series called counterpoint it was you know kind of like jubilee so they just bring in two disagreeing sides and you know one of them obviously i was on the christian side the other side was satanist and you know that thing is like blowing up and last i checked it's already got like quarter quarter million views or something like that and you know i much prefer this setting where it's like hey let's have a one-on-one conversation um but you know i had the same thing you know when the lord was just revealing all this stuff to me in 2021 22 23 and i remember sitting in my office and you know i think i had just finished like fall of cabal or something like that and i'm just like devastated because like my entire just paradigm of like life is shattered and i'm like i'm i think i'm sitting right here at my desk and i was just like god why are you showing me this like i don't understand what do you want me to do with this and i'll never forget he said i want you to be a lighthouse

and i was like well i don't know what that means and then i just had this moment you know a couple weeks ago i was sitting there and i'm sitting across the you know from these satanists and i'm

like how did i get here like josh monday you have some explaining to do how did this happen you know

but it's like all it all it is is like yeah it's you know it's just showing up and being obedient and yeah i was trying to tell my wife too because i'm like i if i if i had it like i don't i don't know i don't probably like that you know people can read my name or see my face about this like what will really excite me is if someone's like oh now i have the hope that i can be free i don't have to i don't have to deal with anxiety i don't have to deal with depression i don't have to deal with generational stuff I don't have to deal with that stuff anymore because Jesus can set me free and you know I'm trying to tell my wife like if I could do it the perfect way the way that God you know probably hasn't called me to do it but the perfect way it'd be I would just write a manual and wouldn't have my name on it and I people would just buy it and never know it was me but they would see Jesus and but sometimes you know that's what he wants from us is like people I gave you gifts. I've given you, you know, insight. I've given you wisdom. You're being discipled by the Holy Spirit, exactly like Hebrew says. And the same goes for you. Like you're just stepping in obedience. So it's just been incredible to just see how all this has grown in, you know, two and

a half years. It's weird. People will say, where'd you find that old book? And I'm like, oh, I just go to the bookstore and pray. And God will be like, yeah, there you go. And I'll find the weirdest things. And I'm like, okay, cool. And it's not me fine. I mean, obviously, he knows what he's doing. I'm just, I always tell people, look, he could make a donkey do it. You did read the scriptures, right? And I hope neither one of us are the donkey. If so, you're the donkey, I'm the ass. Because mine is much worse than yours. But I definitely think you're right. I think the growth has been like, amazing. Like even the couple times we chatted in between, and just like touching base, like I feel like we kind of sharpen each other at times and it's very few and far between. You know, we don't, I mean, it's not like we're chatting all the time. We are busy people. We have busy lives. You know, you've been through it this last little while and all the things you're learning and doing at your stuff. And sometimes we just say like, Hey, how are you doing? Yep. Still alive or whatever we would say, you know, but I knew that that contact, Sometimes the point of that is that contact that you make with somebody is like a brotherhood, a sisterhood, a best friend, a parent relationship, even though it's not like your parent or something, right? Like you get these family relationships because that's what we really are supposed to be. You know, some people don't fully comprehend that and take it in weird directions or whatever you do with that, you have to be careful and always remember that God does this like you're a family. You wouldn't violate your family relationships in any weird form. And I think for women, that's really important for them to hear because the love you can have for any other human being doesn't have to be like, I think women are so emotional. Sometimes they get weird and take it weird places. Not that men don't, but let's be honest, the emotional end of that

is usually women. And so I'm just saying- Men are perfect. All men are perfect.

Yeah. They got something else in mind if it's going left. Okay. Women are all about the feeling.

I'm somewhere in the middle which is maybe why I can spout that truth is that you know I grew up always having this little bit rougher side of things so I was always like I'm not that feeling I don't like that I think I'll stay over here on the men's side and not that I'm a man in any way but just no I'm not going to be that touching you know it's funny because me and my wife joke like

literally every couple that we meet that we really like that we're friends with I'm more like the wife and they're he's more like the husband like my my best friend that i've known since i was three years old like me and his wife are like the same person and like he and brit are literally like i they're so similar and so we always joke that we just found the like each other but in you know female form yes because we were like we just wanted to marry our best friend so we just found the female versions of it but yeah yeah I mean so for you like what's since you you felt like you had that deliverance like how is that giving you more like clarity how do you feel what's

changed in your life since then oh I mean I'm not saying it's perfect and maybe I mean maybe there's always room for adjustments for sure but I can say this you know since that happened and I was really going through it. I mean, like, listen, I have a horrible temper normally. And, and I also am quick, I'm quick to anger, but quick to forgiveness. But the forgiveness that I gave oftentimes was like, yeah, don't worry about it. But like, deep down, you're still really hurt. You know what I mean? Like, you brush it off, but like, it like stayed in there. Now I'm like, oh my gosh, why? Like, if my mom brings something up, I'm like, oh, why are we talking about this? That's, that's like gone. Yeah. This is so, so crazy. And then you're like literally teaching them how to forgive themselves for whatever happened with you. And you're like trying to re teach their mind. Like the only way I can ever say it is like, Hey mom, we used to live in this house. And one day we packed up and we packed everything we owned and we moved to this better house. And we, we live here now. We don't go back to the old house cause we don't have keys there anymore. We wouldn't go in a stranger's house. So let's just like leave that there because we don't live there and and she has a hard time forgiving herself way more than I I don't I honestly for me it's like not it hurts me more to see her hurt over it than anything that was ever done to me at this point like and I know that's weird but that's what it is it's different for me now you know and I don't know it's just like people come up to me a lot more they've always done that to me I think that's why I work in psych you know because people like it when they feel like you understand them or can understand them or want to try to understand them or love them, you know, in some form or capacity, because they're really on their worst day ever. And oftentimes like the hardest patients that everybody's like this person, oh my gosh, they're a nightmare. They're going to be so bad for you because you're a woman or whatever. They're never a problem for me ever. You're good. Yeah, that's a good, um,

And just clarification, I feel like a lot of people maybe gloss over, don't fully understand about deliverance is that, you know, they think, okay, maybe I go through it, I get free of stuff, and then I'm done. But that's, that's really not the way that we teach it is. So we actually give people after they go through our ministry, we give them this little book, it's called 12 Keys to a Liberated Life. Because what we, we, you know, we say, hey, we're doing your deliverance now. But really, the most important thing that we can do for you is we can give you a toolkit that's going to help you live free for the rest of your life. Because unfortunately, it's exactly like what Ephesians 6 says. We live in a very spiritual warfare environment. Like this side of eternity, until the kingdom comes, until Jesus separates the sheep from the goats and throws everything into the lake of fire, there's going to be spiritual warfare. And, you know, we're going to fall short in areas. so we need to cultivate a life of freedom so I mean I try to do this daily sometimes I forget but you know I gotta sit down at the end of the day Jesus I choose to repent for yelling at that guy in traffic because he honked at me and I ask that you bless him and you start to cultivate that rhythm and that pattern so you don't get into those places where you feel like you've hoarded all this stuff anymore it's so much easier to see the the cobweb in the corner and go through and clean it out than it is to because i think that's the thing is like most people you know they're either late 20s 30s 40s whatever they just have all this stuff and they don't even know where to start so they just never want to start but you know once you you go through that process and you find that first like deliverance like there's nothing better than living in freedom

well and it makes you feel like I don't know not that I'm like I said maybe I did it maybe I didn't do it a hundred whatever Thank you. I feel like I'm definitely walking the path but I feel like you you change who you really who you are like how you react like um now my daughter will be like that guy cut you off and I'm like oh he just needed to get over or what not not every time sometimes if it's crazy I mean I might be like, what the, but you know, it's, it's fine. Like most of the time, most things are like, whatever, you know, I will say this. That's really weird. After that happened, I got a dog and I've never had a dog, not one that picked me. I had dogs, but never a dog that was mine that chose me. Right. Like, cause I was never an animal person and they really didn't like me that much. And I'm allergic to cats. So the cats liked me. I couldn't really like them. And I try to die every time I'm around them. So this dog of mine, he's like my child now. He's the best one because he listens better than the rest. He's like so important to me. And I didn't get the people that had the dog on their key chain and stuff. Now that's me. But also other dogs, other people's dogs, like I'll be at the store and they're seeing iDog or whatever. And I'm like, oh my gosh like no no stay there like dogs that never do that they're like that dog never does that like that's a weird thing i think that's happened and babies but the babies always did that i think that's just a nurse thing or a mom thing i have a lot of kids so i don't know but

the more that's the holy spirit like yeah you know i think i think you know as christians like we should we should find those things normal that people would be drawn to us you know because if I mean, this is what we were just talking about. The fruit of the spirit, you know, when you are exuding those things, because the spirit, right, is driving, not your soul or your body. Like, you're going to have more patience. You're going to have more gentleness. You're going to have more kindness. I mean, even since probably the last two years, when, you know, when I got baptized in the Holy Spirit, like, people literally are like, dude, your eyes are, like, your eyes are glowing. Like, I have brown eyes, but, you know, if you see them in person, they're almost like yellow or kind of look fiery and they, they were dull before. And I was, you know, I was a believer. And I think that's something too, to even just talk about is like, you know, for me, I grew up, like I got baptized when I was 20. I got water baptized when I was 20 something, you know, but I didn't, I didn't see any evidence when it came to like gifts of the spirit. And so I was, you know, you just, you're taught, okay, well, when you, you know, you get baptized, you get, you receive the spirit and then everything's the same. but well when i had that experience where i started praying in the spirit i was like uh something is different because that i've never done that before so you know i was reading through the scripture and i mean think about apollos in in acts where it talks about he was he was a believer he believed in jesus he was a jesus believing jew was walking around doing you know evangelism and he runs into paul and paul's like well did you get the holy spirit and he's like i don't even know what that is and he's like okay well let me let me show you the next level to it and so he you know he takes him and some other guys and they go and they get baptized in the holy spirit and so that was another thing in hebrews 6 where it says you know laying on of hands and baptisms and i read it like four times and then i zoomed in on it and then i was like that's plural i'd never read as plural as plural so you know it's it's really interesting and i think that there's i think there is a case to be made that the first baptism of the spirit that we see is jesus's baptism when the the dove ascends and because of that he's able to carry out all these miracles and all these things and that's why he says greater things you're going to do than even i did because you're going to have this you know that's why john says i can baptize you water but there's there's one that's going to baptize you in fire and so i think you know just being able to do deliverance um you know and if if you're if you're a believer you have that authority you have that same holy spirit there is nothing different between me or you know prince or isaiah salvador or your pastor there's no difference we all have the same holy spirit

and we all carry the same authority but for people that are unsure why why don't you let them know about something that has happened that has definitely manifested where you are like whoa that is dark so because you're going to get some people that say this is a bunch of shenanigans this bunch of lies oh like what evidence have i seen about it yeah yeah well

this is tricky because i do want to clarify i think a lot of people especially

when they come into the ministry, they're very, very nervous because they've seen movies like The Exorcist. And it paints Deliverance in a really like brutal dark light where it doesn't have to be like that. So it's important. And I always tell people when they're nervous, I say, have you watched The Exorcist? And they're like, yeah, I've seen it. And I'm like, okay, well, you know that that movie is not based on Catholic exorcisms. That movie is based on an ancient Babylonian text about a white magician who is trying to replace a black spirit in someone. That is a power struggle between black magic and white magic. We're not fighting that battle. We have all the power and all the authority. So when we come into a room, we have a prayer that we pray and we set it up exactly like a courtroom. And we say, all right, any unclean spirits in this room, you're in court. Jehovah God is above. He is the judge. Jesus is here. His ministering angels are here. Here's what you're allowed to do. Here's what you're not allowed to do. And if you don't follow those instructions, it's going to be even worse for you. So, I mean, we have seen, you know, obviously we've seen manifestations and honestly, the manifestations that I've seen that are the most, we'll call it flamboyant, are probably the weakest spirits who are just trying to really peacock. I mean, I think for me, the first one that I saw that was really jarring for me was maybe my third or fourth session. And I want to, I want to be gentle with these stories because these are real people. These are real people with real lives. So, um, you know, but he had some sort of spirit i think it was an ephesus spirit because he lived in a different state and his the pastors at his church literally tried to do james five to him they tried to anoint him with oil and the i mean the elders of his church three four five six hours couldn't get this thing to leave and he ended up with his shirt off like it's just exactly like the story in emphasis and so he he comes to us it took us two days and i'll never forget we went we went through the first you know first day and we went through you know curse breaking we went through repentance we went through you know soul ties we went through all this stuff prayed it through him and i was like all right everything's going smooth this is awesome this is great nothing's happening and then i did i you know i did the commandment prayer i set up the courtroom and i said okay here's where we're at and i said chief spirit come forward and the dude snakes himself out of the chair and just starts crawling on the ground like a millipede and i was like not going well and you know it was like hours of you know we'd go after something and it would surface and

then it would go hide and it would surface and then it would go hide i mean there was some of where he was just like banging his head on the ground and you know we were starting to like like dude this guy's either going to get a concussion like he's just you know just split his head open and like that was maybe that was one of those moments where i was like all right lord i'm not so sure about this thing because like i've been here for six hours and it's supposed to be easy right like i have the power i have the authority through the holy spirit and this doesn't feel easy at all and I went home that night and I was just exhausted exhausted get up the next day I mean it was we were literally doing his deliverance while church was happening in the other room and everyone's like praising and worshiping and we finally got so tired we just turned worship music on and we just sat there and then it broke so it was just praise in worship wow who knew yeah and i wouldn't guess that that was one of the things very early on that that jesus taught me about doing deliverance was i would come home from sessions and i would be just throttled like i would want to sleep for two days afterwards and i had a dream and so part of part of the reason why i felt so drunk like i knew i was called to deliverance ministry was i've always had dreams that have involved spiritual warfare a lot since high school, either running away from spirits, yelling at spirits to leave or whatever. So when I filled that out on my form, when I went through my deliverance, our deliverance leader was like, pretty sure you're called to this. That's not normal. And I was like, you sure? And so I had a dream and I had a dream that I was casting the spirit out but i was so angry at it when I told the spirit to leave, it basically called me out and it was like, who are you to tell me to leave? You know? And I felt so convicted when I woke up and the Lord told me, you need to be doing this out of empathy and love for the person that's in that chair, not out of anger at that spirit. And when I switched my mindset and now every morning I go in and I want to see and know and like love the person in that chair the way that God does it is so much easier it is so it is so much easier and we see so much better results and we don't really see it like we like we have a woman that we're training right now who like her deliverance ministry they were literally wrestling people in a room and we're like you don't have to do it like that if we see manifestations we say no we're not entertaining that like we'll leave the room

and we'll be like you need to pray through whatever that was and we're going to come back in here and then it's going to leave and i mean we've had we have spirits all the time that tell people you're not strong enough you need to lay hands and we're like no we're not going to do that

you're just going to leave and then they do well that's good that sounds way better than uh my my thoughts on the version of the exorcist which i didn't know that story by the way i didn't know

that that was a magician story so well isn't that like the isn't like the enemy to to put fear in into that situation where it's like that's what he he doesn't want he doesn't want to leave he doesn't want believers to know that they don't have to live this way so he's gonna wrap it in fear of like oh your head's gonna spin around you're gonna levitate i mean how's that definitely puking green puke oh yeah we have a lot of pukers we have a lot of pukers but honestly like the the most manifestations we see are yawning crying belching we've had people fart them out oh that was fun uh i mean you know you got your you got your mormons and mason's book back there we got a i do we we have a a prayer renunciation list about this long like this thick of mason prayers and we had a kid who came to us from like 20 hours away and he drove all the way through the night to get to to our church for the ministry because he was having such horrible dreams he had some borderline personality stuff he had a his grandpa was a very high level mason and because of that he actually his umbilical cord dissolved in the womb so had they not like delivered him by c-section he would have suffocated in the womb and so we're we're going through this and we asked him did you read these and he was like no and so he starts reading them and he's like oh my gosh all of these things like my feet getting slit my throat getting slit these are what my nightmares have about and then he starts reading through the 33rd degree ones and he starts going oh oh oh and he can't finish you can't he can't read it and he's like why can't i read this like my eyes are going blurry my tongue is stuck and we you know we had to bind whatever spirit that was and then he finished reading it and then he literally started having like a full-blown conversation with this principality spirit and this principality spirit was speaking through him like in a different voice and was saying i have your grandpa down here in hell you're coming with me you know all this stuff and he's like yelling back at this principality and we're like okay let's not let's

not do that talking to him nobody said you could talk to him so the lady who lady who leads our

our ministry she actually sees in the spirit and so she goes that one's in his stomach and so my my friend, he brings the Bible over, sets it on his stomach, and I lay the hand on his stomach, and I just started praying in the spirit, his abs just started seizing, like just convulsing. And then all of a sudden, he just goes, nope, I got to go. And he runs out to the bathroom, he goes to the bathroom, he comes back, and it was gone.

Oh, I thought he was running away. I'm glad he just went to the restroom.

Yeah, he went to the bathroom. That was it. It was gone.

Yeah, got rid of it. Yeah, good, good. That's better than that. I'm like, I hope he didn't run away after all that time there. Jeez, I would suck. I might need those Mason for...

God teaches us a little bit more every session. We get a little bit more in tune with what he wants to do. And, you know, there were some of the sessions that we started out with would be four, five, six hours. We get them done, two, two and a half. Like, we roll through them. That's good.

that means you're stronger now right you have to listen well you know and i think i wouldn't say

it's that we're stronger i think it's just that we're we're listening better you know where it's like maybe we just made it a little bit harder than it had to be and well depends i mean fear you know any little crack that you and it's it's amazing how sometimes they'll build on each other too like you'll go through a session and you'll learn something and it'll show up in the next one and you're like ah I remember this I see you yeah yeah and you know every every session is a little bit different like that and I kind of I kind of put them in two buckets there's like some people who come in and they are so oppressed that they've never they've never even been able to live a baseline life you know like a normal life and then we have people who are you know really on a growth trajectory, even if it's in our church where you just, you can just feel that the Holy Spirit is like really after them, like to level them up in a way where it's, it's kind of a commissioning where we tell them like, Hey, God's going to impart something to you in this session. That's going to be really important for later. So, and both are really fun. I mean, my favorite, I think my favorite part is hopefully I don't spoil this for anyone. If you go through our ministry uh but you know we do this test at the end because we want to make sure that all the spirits are gone so you know i think there's a we we try to be as responsible as possible the one thing that we we never want to do is spirits lie they always lie so if we ask them questions it's because we either want to know okay is there something that they're connected to like sin wise is there something that they're connected to generationally um most often they'll lie we kind of want to get a general framework of like how many are there we've seen everything from three to 30 million whatever they like uh but at the end we have this set of questions that are like you know uh is the gospel true is jesus a curse is the blood cover well only the holy spirit can answer those the right way and so the person you know they've kind of been going through this for three hours while we're asking a question i'll be like uh i think my name's alakazam or whatever you know and we you know then maybe they got they're crying or they puked or whatever and then so once we feel like the holy spirit says okay you got them all we'll do this final test and uh so we ask the questions and inevitably at the end like the questions get more and more just like intimate of like do you love this person do you produce for the spirit in this person are you the holy spirit and when we ask that are you the holy spirit and it says yes seeing people's like face or like they get this like light bulb moment where it's like oh my gosh i'm actually like the holy spirit is like talking and i hear it like we had we had one young lady

go through our ministry who her dad murdered her mom and then was in prison got out and then she was raised by her grandparents and then the dad murdered the grandparents so she had a horrible distrust for men like just so much stuff just so much trauma and i'll never forget like we just prayed so much that week like lord just show her how much you love her and when she went through those questions like it just you could see the weight lift off of her shoulders and like literally we were all just bawling in the room and it was like all those moments where it's hard all those moments where people shake out of chairs or puke or you know you're like why am I giving up my Saturday for this like it's all worth it it's all worth it how many do you think you've done by now

like do you do them every Saturday or the team's big enough now where maybe I do

two two a month maybe one sometimes i'll hit three in a row it just kind of depends on who it is or who's available i would say i've probably done close to 50 already wow okay i mean also that i i mean we've done impromptu ones like you know if we have we have prayer on wednesday nights we have uh you know i'm on the ministry team on sundays you know you know you go to the right church when we literally so one of the people who went through our ministry into very like he was he was incarcerated very much into druidism and in prison and all this pagan stuff while his separated wife showed up to the session which we say please don't do that because obviously there's probably some stuff that he needs to

forgive you for that we don't want you to hear uh but i'll never forget that session because i'm sitting there and i'm going through you know forgiveness and everything with this guy and he's like oh she's sitting like just off in the corner and then she raises her hand and i'm like yeah are you okay and she goes can you do this with me next my this isn't funny but she was like my sister my dad tried to sacrifice my sister and i in a satanic ritual and i was like okay that's a big deal you need to fill out the form uh but we're kind of focusing on this right now but wow yeah so anyway and he still goes to our church and he's an incredible testament to the power of deliverance and what what god can do when you just show up and keep showing up like his life his life is just so different and he's one of my favorite people at church now um but they brought so she was getting baptized and they brought the sister who was not a believer who obviously was into some pagan stuff because she sat behind a few ladies on our deliverance team during church and it was during worship and they all of a sudden start hearing some growling behind them and so one of the girls she turns to the other girl and says do you hear this behind us and she was like what do you mean and she turned around and she's like oh yeah that's not good so she went back there and she's like hey can we step out into the lobby like do you need some help well she goes out she starts throwing up in the trash can like in the middle of church and so she finally like moves her into you know a deliverance room well she ends up doing deliverance on her there she gets baptized that same she wasn't supposed to she was there for someone else's baptism get baptized and so he actually told me he's like i drove her home and she was just like looking out the window and she was like, the world is so colorful. Everything has color. You're like, are you okay? No, but it was such a good, it was such a good exercise for our church too, because we have this weird dynamic at our church where it's like, we have heavily religious people who are just now realizing like, oh my gosh, the spiritual realm is real. The gifts the spirit are real but i've always been either baptist or calvinist or whatever and then we have this other weird sect that's like new age satanic like you know came the other way i went through deliverance and now they're just colliding and it's like all right now everybody try to get along and speak the same language and sometimes it's just chaos and then you know i got ladies who are and they get married the ladies are trying to stop me in the hallway and they're like was that lady throwing up is she sick and i was like nope she's feeling much better

oh you're like i can't explain this right now it's fine she's fine well one of the ladies she's

she's so great like she's just so funny i asked her because she knew what was going on but she had never been around it and she was like i didn't know what to do it was going down and i said what did you like what were you thinking when it was going she's like i don't know i just put a hand out and i just started praying that god was gonna just take it and i was like congratulations you're

a deliverance minister good job good job that's what we like to hear that's my dream is like

you know i think it's the only spirit is just continuing to reveal all this stuff to people that everyone's a little dangerous you know where something like this can happen in a church no one bats an eye somebody takes care of it somebody gets free somebody gets saved

on to the next one yep but well that's what they used to do right that was the point well i know

and then you know you study even more just like the early church and you know me and my friends have had we've obviously so many rabbit hole conversations but one of the ones we've been having lately is why is water baptism holy spirit baptism and deliverance so separated now you know because you even you do research on how people were baptized i mean they they would literally unseat any principalities or spirits during that so a lot of people would come out praying in tongues and delivered but we when the enemy is sowed all these seeds of you know false doctrines and split everything up and fragmented everything so you have to be a berean to go find all the pieces

of truth and then bring them back together when i got baptized the night before i got baptized real baptized, not baptized into the LDS church, which is how I originally became water baptized. They baptize you for the church, like into the church. But yes, they talk about Jesus, but it's a lot about becoming a member of the church. And yes, they do lay on of hands and give you the gift of the Holy Spirit. But well, they call it the Holy Ghost. But that's not at the same time either. So when I got out of everything, I decided I wanted to get baptized is in the river. Like, Jesus. But the river was high, and I didn't want to die that day. So we

to do it at the reservoir. And the night before, and I'm a pretty good sleeper. Like I don't really have any trouble that way. There was the biggest thunderstorm and I've been back East, Nebraska, Iowa. They have these crazy lightning thunderstorms out there. And I'm like, why is Utah having one of like woke me straight out of my sleep, hit the building like really close by us. Like there's this crazy picture of this lightning bolt hitting the ice cream shop. And my mom sent it to me and I was like, well, that was weird. So then we go because it woke me up. And then we go, you know, when it's time, I was worried about it raining. It cleared up. Everything was fine. And then there was an earthquake at the reservoir where I got baptized. And the guy said, I don't know what's going on with you, but like, I hope it works out. And I was like, cool. But it wasn't just me that day my whole family got rebaptized so all of us the kids everybody my husband even yeah and and the guy was just a guy he was you know he was believed in God and he loved God and he you know he wasn't um a pastor he just was on fire for God and he he ate one time said well let me know if I can ever do anything for you and I'd been praying about who I was gonna have do it because I don't have a church. And I kept having this guy's name pop up. And I'm like, am I really going to ask this perfect stranger to come and baptize me? And I did. And he did. And it was probably really weird. Does he eat grasshoppers? Nope. Nope. He doesn't. Oh, right. It was, I don't know. That was a weird, and you know what? We never talked again. I mean, he's still on my Facebook and stuff but like i i really didn't know him that well uh but i made sure he wasn't a mason

or mormon and i think i think some i think sometimes we you know it is a big deal but sometimes we make it in like we make it into an idol too you know that's when you get some of the kind of crazy doctrine around like if you're not baptized you can't go to heaven and all this stuff yada yada when it's you know it's it's just an act of obedience it's you know part of part of

the journey especially people say you will go to hell i've even had this discussion with people recently like recent-ish and i'm i tried to give this same discussion right like it's it's because we want to because jesus did so you want to and they're like no no you're definitely going to hell

if you don't do it and i was like well it's like what do you what do you do then with the thief on the cross like he didn't have he didn't have perfect doctor and he didn't have anything other then he looked at the guy beside him and he was like i think you're that dude and he said all right you're good i'll see you when we get there yeah and you know it's like then you start asking i mean questions that you if you grew up in the church you don't even think to ask because you don't even know that you're allowed to ask where it's like okay well why do we why do we flip from the last chapter in the old testament to the gospels and it's like now there's this thing called baptism and then we're not like no one's like where did that come from like you know but it's because we don't live in a we don't live in a temple culture we don't understand the context

some people some people don't live in a temple culture well you know what you know what i mean

for the most part you know i'm teasing you well and and we live in a we live in a time where we don't need a physical temple because jesus has done away with that for now like you know we'll see a physical temple when zion comes back you know when the new jerusalem lands now i'm not a zionist that's just what's called the old testament uh but there will be a physical place where god is and he's at the center of it but you know for them when it was i decided i believe in in god in yahweh now i need to the reason why they were like immediately like you need to get back baptized is because in culture in that time if you accepted a god you would then go to that particular temple and you would offer your offering and that's how they would initiate you into the faith so what they were doing in the old testament is called a mitzvah right so you would convert and then they'd say well you can't get into the temple unless you're ceremonially clean so that's why john was like oh you want to go to like the first thing you'd want to do is go be in the presence of the god that you just accepted so of course that's why that came to be but now it's more of a symbol right so that's why you know i can't remember which is first peter's whatever where he's talking about the the act of you know you're crucifying the old self and now you're rising with christ awesome yeah old wine skins right

we got to get rid of those yeah i i love that and i mean you'll know you'll know you know and it and i think we're always working on things like you said sometimes things creep back in, you know, sickness can happen. You can, um, have a death or, or some traumatic thing. I mean, things get reopened, right? We have to stay on, uh, on the lookout. I would say the good word is, yeah. Yeah. And I think that's, that's a good segue,

especially when you're talking about sicknesses, you know, and this goes back to what I was talking about with, you know, God's will and trying to understand God's will and that he, like he, he, he has, you know, sovereignty. So sometimes, I mean, you know, we didn't, we didn't talk about this, but you know, part of my story the last couple of years, why it's been so long is, you know, my wife, I threw a breast cancer diagnosis at 31. That's not something that you want to go through. And you know what? One of the first things I told her she had to do, I was like, you got to go through deliverance because if there's anything spiritual in that, you need to take care of it and she went through deliverance and guess what the tumor was still there now i mean i and maybe i'm crazy because i can believe exactly like what it says in in acts the word that they use for disease when they're talking about um you know paul getting the handkerchiefs that i think it's nosos in the greek actually means given by an unclean spirit so we have to be able to use wisdom and discernment to know like yes sometimes the things that we're going through the physical ailments that we're going through have a spiritual root but other times they don't you know people ask me all the time like okay well what if you know what if my elbow hurts and I'm like well I mean when did it start hurting like did it start hurting when you were bitter and angry because you know somebody left or you hate someone or did you just walk

through the doorway and bump your elbow, you know? Yeah. And so it's, it's like, we just have

to be responsible to know like, okay, we can go through the checklist and we can, we can give it over to God. And so there's, there's people who, you know, they need, they need spiritual and emotional healing just as much as they need physical healing. And, you know, that's something from, from my wife, like in some ways, I'm very glad that she didn't go through deliverance and the tumor didn't disappear because I've seen the way that God has grown her into a better version of herself over the last two years that she would not have been able to get to had he just miraculously taken it so we just have we have to be able to walk in a way where we're okay with everything and I think that's what I'm seeing a lot in church nowadays is like even once you come into an understanding of a spiritual realm is there's, it's easy to get caught up in prosperity gospel and it's easy to get caught up in word of faith. And it's really easy to have people tell you to claim all these Old Testament verses out of context. And you know what that does? It leads to a lot of hurt and unmet expectations. Well, and here's the thing, what I, people tell me all

the time. Oh, you know, you accepted Jesus and all this stuff. And then, you know, you try to die all the time. Like that sounds crappy. And then your back broke. And I'm like, yeah, but guess what? I made it like I lived and I beat cancer and I'm still walking. And yes, I deal with pain. But like, I feel that that wasn't a blessing per se, but also I read Job and all Job's kids died in one day. And until that, and that will never happen to me because I hope and pray not. But like, they always talk about Job being restored. And I'm like, wait a minute. He can have a hundred other kids. Those kids aren't the same. That's not the same kid as all those kids that died that day. And people forget that. You know, they just are like, oh yeah, Job got restored. And I'm like, but did he, you know? No, he had a lot of hurt. He probably dealt with that until the day he died, you know? And I always say, you know, that never happened to me. So I'm okay, You know, and it's all about what you do with it. I mean, like if if your wife went through that and she changed as a person, I know my illness has changed me as a person and it makes me relate better to my patients. It makes me more relatable as a human being to my family. It slows me down, which I hate, but I needed. um you know there's certain things that you need that god knows better and i'm not saying that sickness is fun it's not a fun time uh but sometimes it changes everything you know

sometimes revelation 12 says we overcome the enemy by the blood of the lamb and the power

of our testimony yes and sometimes it will make you yeah better it's getting you know there's a

there's a great you know it talks about god being the refiner he purifies us well if you know anything about silversmithing you know they they got to put the fire they pull it out put in the fire pull it out put in the fire and they watch it really closely and the only way that they know that it's ready is when they pull silver out and then they can see their reflection and that's the same way that god uses you know trials and things in our life is that you know he has a close eye on us when we're going through these things but is that it's that refining process and you know this whole experience has just taught me to be okay with both both and you know it's like I see people walking in freedom I see people you know who are getting healed of things and it's like that's incredible that's amazing like God is powerful and then at the same time I'm like man I am so thankful that we all die because this experience that we're having right now it's imperfect it's flawed like thinking about having to live forever in this fallen state of world that's not that's not prosperity that's a prison and some people would pay a lot of money

to stay in that prison which is crazy bananas to me sign me out of that no sir no siree uh where they will beg for death and cannot find it no thank you i will catch the first train out of no thanks um i'm not doing that and i think it is important too for people to know that are christian you know just because you can have all the answers you can do all the things you can get everything cleared out and you can still have a lot of really bad challenges i do you met me when the beginning of my daughter and all that stuff started and still going you know now i've missed the wedding and the baby uh she's gonna be three you know and and on the other end of that I have a stepson that I fought with my whole entire life. And if you would have told me today that I would be closer to him and his children, because I have another one due in just a couple weeks here, then I would be my own blood and flesh daughter. I would have told you you were nuts out of your mind. But God does things for a reason. And also, sometimes it's not about you. That might be about her. That might be her thing and I would be in the way. So sometimes we have to be separated for a time as well not that i like that i really don't you know i also have to

accept it yeah no it's about asking the lord like you know what what are you responsible for and the the most that you can do is is what you what you can do and where you're at continue to pray continue to intercede we were just i was just talking about you know uh my pastor and i would workout. And there was one time a couple of years ago where he was on a prayer kick trying to pray for people and this guy was walking around in a knee brace. And so he's like, I want to pray for you. And he goes, no, thanks. And so he was so discouraged, but we joke about it now because

you know, the guy thought I was muted in my cackle full on way. He was just like, he was so

discouraged, but you know, so we, we just prayed for him anyway. Like we still see the guy and he has no knee brace and so we're like i've always been tempted to go to him and be like hey you

know why your knee's better right i would do it i would do it if i were you that would be hilarious just even if he just got a giggle out of it it would be pretty funny yeah but i mean

why would you why would you want to live in a world where all this stuff isn't real

what fun is that no yeah no the only time i say don't pray for me is don't put me on your temple list. I am. Oh yeah. Brandon heard that before. Yeah. Yeah. No kidding. Uh, I just, that's not for me, but thank you. You could pray regular for me though. Any day, any day of the week. Right. I mean, we all need it. We, and, and I think honestly, you know, I had a really good session. You'll see it in a, in a little, probably on Wednesday, probably tomorrow. Uh, we had a podcast. And I know God brought us together. And it was funny. I'd never met one of them. One of them I'd done a bunch of podcasts with. And all three of us sat there and cried like full grown big babies because he brought all of us together and all of us had lost our brother, every single one. And we didn't know that. None of us. And we told our stories and we remembered their lives. We talked about it. I mean, it was like this weird healing, weird podcast with like even one was a stranger, you know. And I know afterward, we all felt like, whoa, you know, it was crazy. And afterward, I thought, and I told him right then and there, I said, God did this. He brought us all together today because we were praying. And they definitely agreed. And, you know, if we're more open to it with this whole, you know, the universe does speak to you and it's not enough.

narcissism. I hate to break it to people. I mean, great. I love knowledge. You know what? I spend all my extra money on books and knowledge is wonderful, but it isn't the way.

Well, I mean, there's something to that, you know, scripture says my people perish due to lack of knowledge. But if you think that knowledge can push you into a God-like echelon, that's where you start getting into some bad territory yeah you don't want to wear mason

underwear and have stuff on your nipples and not even know and that's so unfair i did hear they

did they switch up the the special underwear they got like a new model they got rid of the

sleeves for women so like where this little seam the seam i know it's racy you can see a shoulder a whole shoulder yeah i'm sure the older women are like hussies like if they see those girls at church but you know it's all right they still got the masonic uh imprint they're not sewed in now it used to be a full-on sewing mark like an embroidery but now they're screen printed so they're coming along uh as for me no thank you uh i didn't know in the first place i think it's super unfair. People always say, you know, you are an apostate and you're going to suffer with those promises that you broke. And I'm like, guess how many promises I didn't know about when I got there. I didn't even know what I was doing. And so I don't know about that.

And then you can just say, just so you know, I've been through deliverance and I broke up all those generational curses. Those have nothing to do with me.

I know. I'm like, geez, kick rocks, kick rocks, kick rocks, kick Mason rocks. nothing against you guys just saying but the bad spirits of that uh but you can be saved too and so you totally should man yes sir well brennan as always this has been a delight and i have really enjoyed finding out what you've been up to oh yeah i mean we could definitely

go down every other rabbit trail but we better keep it on topic so i know i know it's so true

And we'll have to do this again. I definitely want to find out more as you go forward and everything. This has been super interesting. I mean, I was wondering, are we going to talk about head spinning and crazy things? I didn't know what to expect. See, so it's good to know. We need to put it out there for people.

We got to just tell the good stories, you know, because I think that's what we really need is we just need to see power and authority on display. It doesn't have to be angry. It doesn't have to be violent. It doesn't have to be, you know, romanticized in this like crazy way. I think there's some people who they live for like the thrill of it. And I think that's when you miss the point of it is that there's there's people's souls on the line and that there's freedom on the line. And so if we walk in empathy and we put up with the nonsense from the unclean spirits, it doesn't have to look like that. I'll tell one more funny story about deliverance. I love this story. So like I said, we kind of have multi-facets. There's some eviction portion. There's some soul care portion. Sometimes we ask the Lord if there's any fragments or pieces, bring it all back together. We see a lot of soul care. And then the other part of that is sometimes we do see baptism in the Holy Spirit. so some people will you know get gifts just you know great stuff well this one particular morning a guy was coming in and i was sitting i usually get there about an hour early and so we'll pray and ask the lord what he wants to do and so i'm praying and i'm worshiping and the lord goes there was a song that he listened to when he was a kid i want you to worship to that song because I need to remind him about the faith that he had when he was a kid and I was like all right that's weird I'll see if it comes up whatever so we get into the eviction portion and sometimes when stuff just like isn't moving or something's stuck I'm like okay let's let's do soul care and then come back so that's usually when we'll either you know either do prophetic prayer or we'll start digging into maybe like some stuff like trauma they've fragmented or whatever and so I started just asking him some things and I said hey this is gonna sound really weird but the Lord told me there was a song you liked when you were a kid and he just starts laughing and he's like you're not gonna believe this me and my family were literally talking about this like two days ago and I was like uh the Lord said that you're supposed to worship to the song and he was like I don't think we can do that and I was like what do you mean and he was like well the song is i like it i love it by garth brooks and so i'm like uh okay well i'll turn it on so

you know the other guy is running the sound like we literally turn on i like it i love it by garth brooks and we pray for this guy to receive the baptism of the holy spirit and while garth brooks is like i like it i love it i want some more this guy starts praying in tongues and i'm like i'm like laughing but i'm also like yes lord this is amazing i bet you were like this is not happening

i hope you're journaling this stuff dude it was yeah that was one of those moments where i was

like you can't tell me that god like doesn't have a sense of humor or like he's not like i think that there's so many times where people are like like he operates in everything he's lord of everything like you know and then i texted her because it it was like boys club that day it was like me and the other two dudes that are like my age so we were just like not following the rules like we were just going after stuff and so i texted the the lady who leads our ministry and she's kind of like a by-the-book person and i was like session was great this morning we played garth brooks he started praying in tongues and she just all caps why did you do that why was that

playing look we were following the rules she was like what did you do i didn't do anything it wasn't

me did you tell her it wasn't you i said yeah that's what the louisbury said when i told her the full story she laughed and she was like that's amazing so i really do hope you're journaling this

stuff for your kids someday not the people just this the funny stuff like that you know it's like

everyone on the team also has like their own little like niche you know like we have one guy on the team who he's just like this like very you know i'm not i know we're gonna wrap this up but now like we're going again you're good we had this you know guy he's kind of just a modest like mid build guy bald very quiet like if you didn't it it like and he's notorious for not knowing anyone's name like even people at the church have been there for years we're like this person he's like who's that and we're like that's the worship pastor and he's like oh okay but i don't know why but this dude is a figurative giant in the spiritual realm like the authority that he walks in is i am blown away by it especially with how humble he is we were doing this session and this lady she had this lilith spirit and it was like every time we would tell it to go she would just and so we didn't know it was lilith at the time and every time we'd tell we'd say you know lust go or control manipulation go she just and we were like what is going on so we're like okay it's probably restrainer spirit normally the restrainer spirits are either a spirit spouse a python or a lilith and so he finally just says he's like restrainer spirit i call you forward and he's like yelling at her and he's like well he's not yelling at her he's yelling at the lilith spirit he's like what is your name and she's like i don't want to say it i don't want to say it and then she just looks up at him and she goes that guy that guy tell that guy to stop talking to me so we we tell him now we're like you're that guy did not make it feel bad so we're always like well you know his name is drew like drew you need to you need to come into this session like you're that guy and he's like i'm that guy he's just it makes him uncomfortable because he is so humble and then you know obviously the lady who leads our ministry like she sees in the spirit she's just like so grounded and has walked in in the gifts for so long that she stewards him so well that she she literally forgets everything like she's the person that she doesn't write it down in a session like i'll say oh do you remember last week when this happened she's like no and then for whatever reason i don't know why i'm the like weird like i do remember everything so and it's not that i remember details or like people's names or whatever but i'll just be like oh no this is the same spirit that we saw that was attached to this because of like this weird pagan religion or whatever and she's like why do you remember that so i'm the retainer your job yeah yeah and normally whenever people actually have like what like logistical questions you know they're like how does this work where do we find this they just all point at me and i'm like come on guys you need to know this too the retainer over

there ask the retainer yeah ask the sounds like me medically yeah medically i'm always like this seems like this yeah that's definitely what that is that's how i am with anybody that's sick or whatever they're like and i'm like right well sometimes you're wrong though but it's fun hey

who cares like guessing thank you for having me heidi this has been this has been good to get back in back in and just you know not have a powerpoint not have an agenda just see where the spirit wants

ago and yeah i think with with you and especially i mean you were teaching, you know, and so it's a little, it's a little bit different. And, but when you can just talk, you know, and, and it's probably a lot different now, like you might be able to do that without even slides or whatever. I have to bring slides for what I do because I know somebody's going to come at me. They're coming for me, right? Like, so I have to prove it, but yeah, you know,

this has been great. I've had a good time. Yeah. So I still do a little teaching. We did another, another round of unseen realm i added way too much to it uh so i don't know i don't know how i'm gonna do it now it's just it's just so much information it is a lot of information i do have

one question for you the guy that could answer this okay so you know the elohim biblically speaking okay it can also have a very bad definition and people come at me for this all the time that they're like but michael heiser says and i'm like i know what the bible says blah blah blah and so people are always asking me between the two and i just always say i don't know because i don't know i just go off what the bible says and it can talk about you know ball and different things like weird stuff and they're like oh but but michael heiser says and so maybe you can shed some light on that because are you talking about are you talking about when they talk about the translation for lord that means bail let me find it it's the actual the Elohim. It's in one of the older texts. And all the time people ask me about this. And I'm like, well, this is all I know. It's what it says. And they're like, well, blah, blah, blah. It's about plural gods, right? It's the Hebrew word meaning either God or gods, but it oftentimes can also mean it's like a polytheistic context. And me and you have talked about this, about the divine realm and different things but also i know they can say it it has kind of a bad like they relate it to the adonai and adonai gets into masonry you get what i'm saying it goes down this little

i don't know what do you think well i think it just comes it comes down to how you define terms obviously we have a we have a problem in english you know you say god and you assume we're talking about Yahweh. The same could have been said. So if you're looking at the Hebrew, the word Elohim can mean God. If it's referring to Yahweh, it can mean God, little g, if it's referring to any type of, you know, divine spirit or angel. There's also like three or four instances in the text where it's referring to someone who would be a man. So even in the case of the Witch of Endor bringing

up samuel it says an elohim rose so i always take it as like an interdimensional this is kind

of what i think it's their catch-all it's like their catch-all to say like it is an entity that is above like doesn't belong here yeah yeah and that's the same way that they use the word deos

in greek and so that's see this is where like i had to ask you this i'm so sorry i really had like two or three people write me in about it because i'm like look i'm with you i'm with it with the interdimensional so i'm always like be careful with that you know because it can mean a lot of things well like the one guy that was talking about the pastor we talked about and the l's and

you know like nephilim and well and that's i mean it's that's why you we say you need to clearly define your god you know because if you're you can use l you can use whatever but you might not actually be referring to Yahweh or you know I'm not a sacred namer so if you say Yehovah or you say Yahweh or you say you know whatever it is I don't think we're ever gonna know his name until he actually tells us because he took the vowels like we're just reaching at straws so anyone who's like if you don't say it this way or that way or out like you're just you're missing it you're missing the point but this is where people also have a disconnect it's like they read they read the old you know hyzer stuff and they are all on board for let's open up the meaning and actually understand elohim but they completely throw the same rules out when they go to the greek you know and then it's like if you look at theos it just means divine ruler authority

i i always get this because the god of the mormons they call him elohim and i'm like listen there's a problem with that and i try to tell people like that doesn't mean that that's god like you got to be careful you know like what you're saying at this point i just always say the god of abraham isaac and jacob like i've literally there's people who call satan god

yes yes that's just elohim is just the word for god there's people who call you know lucifer god there's people who call praxis god there's people who call diana or artemis or whatever, Queen of Heaven. There's some people who call Queen of Heaven Mary, but that's a different topic for a different day.

Oh, I know about that topic. Oh, yes. Well, the Black Madonna and the Templars and all that. And, you know, we can definitely do that. That's a fun one.

Yeah, but the other thing about it, too, is, like, you have to get your trainer reference in place. So even, you know, Dr. Michael Heiser, like, I love him. When I see him in eternity, I'm going to say thank you. you changed the way that I looked at the scripture. But after that, we're probably going to laugh at all the stuff that we got wrong. We're going to be like, I was wrong about a lot. And he's like, me too. And one of those things is doctrine of accommodation. He was so heavy into that. And when you believe in the doctrine of accommodation, you believe that God was working backwards into the culture. So you, you know, that's why when you look at a lot of these scholars and they're looking at Daniel and they're saying like, oh, well, God is just using this language because he's pulling from the Babylonian gods so that everyone in that time frame could explain it. And it's like, no, no, no, no, you're backwards because God was the source and all those fallen angels stole that and created Babylon. So you're missing a step. So you have to know that God was the creator, he's the beginning and the end, and that everything from that has been a pollution and a counterfeit of what he created. Yeah, I think it's important because, I mean,

you know, like you said, it can mean Lord, Master. It does even reference Baal. Like you said, it's whoever God, whatever God you're dealing with. But for the context, the reason why I bring it up, only this is Mormons will say, because they called him Elohim, it was regular God. I'm like, hey, he's talking about a heavenly mother and there's a trio there of a ghost and a heavenly mother, heavenly father. And then this makes this weird pyramid. They got the stars on their temple. You might want to look at the whole context. It's not good. We get back to mother worship and weird stuff and Shekinah and just it's a whole mess. But what I'm saying is I know that because I look at their symbols. It's not just the word. It's the book and the word and the Freemasonry and the this and the that. So that's why, like Brennan said, look at what you're doing.

The devil is not stupid. He is cunning. He's a lion. He's roaring around to devour. Don't you think he's going to take terms that would lead you to God? That he's going to take things that would encourage you? Even let's look at the primary priesthood in the Mormons, Melchizedek. That is jesus is priesthood that is what he has inherited that is a good thing but there's probably a lot of people who come out of mormonism and are tainted to the that word it triggers something in them like i i mean this could be an entire episode i would love i would love to just even look at i think the devil knew that this moment that we're having right now where the holy spirit has begun to bring forth like revelation he's pouring out all this revelation you got you know the revealing of the nephilim you got revealing of i mean i mean it's not super new but you know it was just it was not it's mainstream now right you know you got all this stuff coming out about like uh what is that you know country with the tiny hats like who are they where were they from you know and then you got the gifts are being poured out you got Gnosticism being uncovered and in the 1800s you have all these weird side religions coming out there's Jehovah Witness Mormonism and there's little bits of truth that it's like you can pull out of like there's stuff that Protestantism gets wrong that he hid in those really wacky religions so when you say something like, hey, I don't think we actually go to heaven. I think that's Gnostic. They're like, oh, you must be Mormon or Jehovah Witness or like you're some weird cult. Or when you say something like, hey, I don't know that the Trinity is actually in the Bible that, oh, you got to be this, that, or the other heretic. And it's like, maybe I'm just trying to read the scripture without a lens and just trying to figure it out. Well, and like you said, it's a whole corruption.

I mean, you know, if you figure out about the Melchizedek priesthood and how it was restored via Joseph Smith, you know that, you know, dead angels showed up to give it to him. So I don't know about that. Dead guys, like actual people that lived on earth showed up, John the Baptist, John the Baptist showed up and restored it here on earth. I don't think so. Okay. That's not an angel. That's a dead guy. All these dead people showing up. What does God say when we die? Absent with the body is present with the Lord. I don't think that that changes for anybody.

You know, I have this. theory and I think that actually might pull into this this is you might have to split this into two episodes like starting right now yeah I've had this theory because when we're talking about the Melchizedek priesthood that is Jesus's priesthood but it would make sense that you know the fallen angels would want to usurp that because they want to be prophets priests and kings and the only person who is that is Jesus. And I've had this theory that Melchizedek in the Old Testament, everyone keeps saying he's either a pre-incarnate Christ or he's just a normal guy. Well, what if there's a third option? In one of the fragments that was found in the Qumran caves, the Dead Sea scrolls there's a fragment called 11q melchizedek which talks about melchizedek and that 11q melchizedek is hyperlinked to guess what verse in the old testament psalm 82

which is the divine council well better than what the mormons say the metatron

so here's my kidding here's my theory so we know now i i would fall into probably what i would say It would be a, you know, a fringe of, I think that there was a law and a priesthood before the flood. Otherwise, what would God have to judge people based off? Like, you're not just going to, I mean, we see in Genesis, like Cain and Abel are bringing first fruits. They're doing Torah.

Yeah.

Right. So they know what's going on. It talks about in Jubilees that the angels were teaching them how to be priests. So when Adam gets exiled, he's the high priest, right? Why does Abraham know how to make altars when he gets called from Babylon? And he makes all these altars along the promised land, unless he had some form of written law. Even when it talks about Moses going to Mount Sinai, it says the priests were at the bottom. How did they know to be priests if they didn't have Leviticus? So there had to have been an angelic priesthood. And even, you know, Ezekiel and all these passages about, you know, the fallen cherubim, it says he was anointed with the fiery stones. That's priest language. So like this priest would wear the ephod with the 12 stones. Well, he had this particular entity, whether you believe it's Satan or whoever, had one with nine. It was a priest. so i think that when god allocated the nations at babel there were some good watchers and there were some bad watchers that's exactly why you know some of the watchers carry out god's judgment in daniel right it says by decree of the watchers this is your punishment well there were some that

yeah that didn't do the sin there was some right some that were there that didn't do the sin yeah

some were rebellious some weren't so here's the thing this is oh this is great i'm gonna pull this together i'm gonna land the plane there is 70 nations in the in the table of nations okay it says that there were 22 fallen angels that came down on mount herman do you know what 22 is compared to 70 one third that's one third one third yeah third of the hosts of heaven yeah a third of the hosts of heaven a third of those watchers could have come down with you know whatever and it was a 220 and all or whatever but i just thought that was interesting so there's definitely an angelic priesthood that's functioning so if i'm god and i know that the promised land is going to be my number one priority for where i want abram to go where i want israel to be would i not put my best watcher in that place so my theory is that Melchizedek in the Old Testament that we see in Genesis, and it talks about he has no mom, no dad. I think that he's the watcher over Canaan. And so he's actually functioning in God's temple. That's why his name literally means my God is Sedeq, or that was the Babylonian version of Yahweh. That was Yahweh in their pantheon.

And he placed the angels too to keep us from going back in the garden. So we know he does this. He's done it before.

I think that Melchizedek could potentially have been the watcher over Canaan, who was responsible for making sure the promised land was going to be available to Israel. And because he was faithful, he was basically like the Levitical, like he was the Levites. So when Jesus then ascends into the priesthood, he takes that priesthood back. and so jesus is actually the bridge as we go into eternity where the human priesthood and the angelic priest

come together so we have one priesthood makes sense that's just my theory i don't know i like

it i like it don't do it the mormon way and do the ironic and melchizedek and it's metatron and enoch and yeah it gets messy but no i mean that's been the whole thing men have been trying to steal

the priesthood back forever yes yeah and they're just larping as popes but it makes sense if it

really is angelic like i never thought of it being separate like that that's wild but it makes sense

well yeah because you know when when he actually does call it you know he does call israel out and moses was supposed to be the high priest because he's like okay well you guys need to have a temple and you need to have a functioning you know this now the other and then he he chose levi as basically the concession because you know he was good so yeah he needed a he needed a human priesthood to facilitate the temple like he wouldn't have put an angel in the temple as the priest because he probably was i don't know according to hebrews like there has been a temple

in heaven forever so if there is an angelic priesthood then obviously there'd be an inversion and where would it rest right in the temples that men build not just yeah what's really interesting

is even once the priesthood was given this is what's really important about the new covenant is everyone wants to talk about the new covenant being like oh jesus did away with the law no jesus fulfilled the law jeremiah 31 the new covenant is about the priesthood what he's saying is hey there's going to be a day when i make a new agreement with the house of judah instead of levi and so there was a transferal of the authority for atonement and so atonement is when you know god actually like brings people back into you know grace and so if you there's the you know the scapegoat story about the the you know a zazel goat place it on yeah so if you even look in like the rabbinical rabbinical writings there was more that went to it than even the biblical story so the the rabbis would talk about every year when they would send the scapegoat out they would also send a goat out with a like a shroud or something dipped in blood and they would send the goat out and then the goat would come back and then the shroud would be miraculously like clean and that's how they would know that you know god was like we're cool i forgave your sins well the first feast of atonement after jesus ascends to the temple they sent the goat out and it came back and it was still bloody because he said you're not the priest

jesus is the priest repent truth and and for and it gets confusing because i still have people that come on and are like we should do the festivals and all the torah and all the i'm like you're gonna live all those laws you're gonna do that i think you should i think you should but no i'm not going to send girls out to the shed when they bleed and crazy laws they got some well and that's

we need, you need to look at, you know, which ones are, which ones are applicable, obviously. And there's, you know, and most of them we can't do because there's not a functioning temple. But you also have to know how to read, you know, Paul. And so when he's talking about Galatians, you know, he's like, hey, don't put yourself under the law. Don't put yourself under grace. What he's referring to is, you know, he's saying the law and grace have very distinct things that they do they don't overlap if you think that you can do the law and obtain salvation you're never going to do it what he's saying is don't use a hammer as a toothbrush right so the law the law is for discipleship it's for it's for you to look at that and say is my life looking a little bit more like jesus so you know when when i started to realize that i just said lord i'm just going to start implementing these things one by one as you reveal them to me. And if they don't produce fruit in my life, if I'm not more peaceful, if I'm not more joyful, if I'm not this, that, or the, you know, if I'm not seeing the evidence of it, he was like, then don't do it, you know? But so I know that because I decided two years ago, I'm not going to eat pork or shellfish. It has no bearing on my salvation. That fully lies in Jesus. But if I want to have a little bit healthier life and I don't want parasites I don't want this that or the other it's almost like oh god I kind of knew what he was talking about so it's it's a balance and it's knowing you know how to place them properly and how to you know find joy because i don't think he he doesn't want you to do them if there's no joy in them like and i and that's why when i do evangelism i'm trying to tell people like i don't know how to tell you this but like if you hate all this stuff if you don't like to love your neighbor if you don't like to keep sabbath if you don't you're not going to have very much fun in eternity because like we're going to celebrate passover every year we're going to do tabernacles every year like that's how god's house functions so if you don't like the house rules like you're probably not going to like it

anyway well and i think some of them got corrupted like the ones for women always seem to be crazy bananas like oh we all have to wear the thing and and go out in the shed and i don't know it got real weird and i mean ed mabry was on and i asked him about it and he said well for gentiles the law is different and and he talked to me this whole thing about it but and what he said made sense too but i think at the end of the day number one we don't know but number two you do know better than wrong. You do know better than not loving your neighbor. You do know better than to kill somebody. You do know better than to cheat on your husband or wife. You do know some things, like let's be realistic, like you said. And I think the pork thing and all those things are important too. If you are convicted to do that, or like you said, there's health benefits and health problems and different things, obviously, use your mind. Do I do that? No. I don't abstain from it but also I could see the sense in it personally I think everything's poison anymore but I mean that's just me I think they're poisoning everything but you kind of have to

understand so some of it too like where you know they he was he was telling them like this is what's going to separate you and make you look different than all the other nations and that's what's going to help you kind of be that lighthouse that are going to bring people in and you know where it's I mean, even there's like, I get what you're saying. Like there's some crazy ones in there where it's like, don't mar the corners of your beard. And it's like, well, I get a fade. So what does that mean? But if you actually do the research on it, you'll find that it was, there was a particular haircut that the men, the priests in the temple of Dionysus had where they would, you know, and then they would go in and they would worship Dionysus. So what he's saying is don't get the dumb haircut that makes it look like you worship Dionysus because you belong to me.

Right, right. yeah use use common sense it makes sense you never know like what would it be like if it was

if it was written now like maybe there'd be some weird ones where we'd be like don't wear a friendship bracelet and go to taylor swift concerts i bet it would be like uh don't be

on your phone 24 hours a day and not read your scriptures oh okay you know it's like even you

know stuff where it's like don't mix fabrics it's it seems like it's like oh god doesn't want me have any fun. It's like, well, no, God created frequency and he knows if you put two frequencies together, like you're not getting any of the health benefits. We're like, why the heck should I, you know, circumcise my kid on the eighth day? Well, that's actually when the vitamin K levels

spike and they won't bleed out. Yeah. Bleeding. I don't know about the whole, I don't know about the circumcision. I don't know. That one's a, that one's also, I've talked to a bunch of people about that one night. I don't know. Some people say it's a mark of the slave. I just know it's this. I did a whole show on it with Sean from Wake the Dead podcast. And he showed me some medical scientific stuff on MRIs. And the baby's brains were never, ever the same. And it caused them trauma. And that's a little frightening. And why would you do that? Because it would mess up people and cause them more aggression. He had this whole thing about it. It's a really interesting one. It's on my podcast. I can't remember what number. Earlier than later. But Sean from Wake the Dead, he's great. And the thing was, was he brought scientific evidence. So I was like, well, and here's the thing, like you said, I'm sure we're going to get up to heaven and go, yep, we got everything wrong. I mean, hopefully heaven, I want to make it there. but yeah if we get there i'm sure we're gonna have plenty of things that we mess up like you said who knows who knows but we do have to try don't have to try our best we can't just go

oh too bad i guess we just won't try that's why we just start well that we have jesus in the meantime but you know it's it's you know i talk about this all the time with my friends and you know us people who are inquisitive like we want to know and we just keep asking god hey i want to know more i want to know i wouldn't know how that works why is it like this and unfortunately like there is a responsibility and there is a standard that comes with you know he's going to hold me very much more accountable to things because i've asked to know then you know some dude in a remote village who has never you know read a bible but knows that there's a creator who you know created everything it loves them so i don't know Sure. true true that's been it's a wild thing it's wild like knowledge is power but it also comes with a lot of responsibility so just like spider-man said yep exactly so with that brennan do you have anywhere where people can find you especially if they need deliverance oh uh not particularly

uh maybe you can just we'll just drop the link in um we are i'll just say we're located in nebraska so if you're somewhere in the nebraska area whether that's like iowa missouri kansas and it's something that you've been wanting to do like there's a form on the website you can fill it out we would love to um have you come through the ministry or even if you just you know have something in particular you need prayer for just fill it out and we'll we'll do the best that we

can so awesome well i will make sure to drop it in the links you guys brandon as always a definite pleasure this has been eye-opening in a good way i'm glad we didn't get too scary i can sleep tonight not have any you know exorcist dreams no i'm teasing it was actually better than i i thought it would be so not not in a bad way but just scary wise so yeah maybe people will be less afraid and get better you know especially if you're really convicted like that guy that drove out there that was powerful you know i think you're gonna know i think you're gonna know if you need that and you should definitely get a hold of people or even you know reach out ones if they're too far or zoom. I don't know. Brennan knows. So I'll put the link down below. It will be in the show notes. So thanks again, Brennan. I appreciate you. And I can't wait to do this again. I'm glad you're back. Bye.