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BONUS: Laverne Cox
Work in Progress with Sophia Bush

BONUS: Laverne Cox

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July 10, 2026 | 00:24:07 | Arts, Music, Comedy | Explicit

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Success changed Laverne Cox's life—but it didn't answer all of her questions. In this bonus chat, she shares stories behind some of the most profound and painful passages in her new memoir "Transcendence," reflecting on healing, resilience, and why becoming yourself is a lifelong process. Laverne's memoir "Transcendence" is in bookstores now. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.
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Hi, everyone. It's Sophia. Welcome to Work in Progress.

00:03:08 - 00:04:01 | Speaker 5:

Welcome back to Work in Progress with Laverne Cox. Let's dive back in. And one of the things that bothers me, things I think about, you know, a lot in my life is, and you said this perfectly just now, for trans people, your identity is looked at as being exclusively sexual. And it's the same for queer people. They're like, queer people shouldn't be able to adopt children. Queer people shouldn't be able to get married. The children, the children. 73 percent of women in america are unalived by violence done to them by current or former intimate partners cis male intimate partners most women die by the hand of a man most children are abused by their straight or straight identifying father or or a family relative they know these people it it's not gay parents it's not trans folks yet there's not a whole movement saying

00:04:01 - 00:04:23 | Speaker 3:

all men it's they're like oh man like the like the 99.9 percent of like white men who were mass shooters we don't say that there's like i mean some people are saying it's a crisis with men but we have to like pass laws yes that's like limit the ability of white men to get guns and classify them as terrorists they're actually would kind of be i mean but to like make it about

00:04:23 - 00:04:28 | Speaker 5:

identity that would be logical though but they don't want us to say that statistically it would

00:04:28 - 00:04:59 | Speaker 3:

make more sense yes but still just but it's un-american to say to like say that you if you're a white man you if you're a white man statistically you are more likely to be a mass shooter based on your data but like to have to pass a law to say that all white men can't be uh can't get access to guns and need to be like put on a terrorist watch list and classified as like mental terrorists like they're trying to do with trans people. Like, when there's maybe like one or two trans students,

00:04:59 - 00:05:00 | Unknown:

get a break.

00:05:00 - 00:06:03 | Speaker 1:

i know it's it's i know it's crazy it's crazy but what i what i think like we're we're in a meta like political space now and i and i and i love being there but i also think that like part of the reason i i wrote this book too is that like how do we how do we bring it back to ourselves yes and that was going to be my question we can't come together across differences if we have not we're not right with ourselves if we haven't like gotten to a place where we are not allowing our own traumas to affect the ways in which we um interact with other people i feel like sometimes with some of the um the turfs that you know we'll just use that as a forehand with the turfs like a lot there's a lot of trauma when i hear i'll just i'm tracing her name but the the rowling woman the harry potter woman hey rowling well sometimes when i hear her talk and I hear real trauma there. I hear, like, a fear, you know, and, like, trauma that is unprocessed around, you know, the assault that she experienced. And I have empathy for that.

00:06:03 - 00:06:57 | Speaker 2:

Well, she seems to be very red-pilled. But what's fascinating to me is that anyone would think in a world where men, look at the Epstein files, look at the president of the United States at current and all of his allies, not being required to testify under oath, not being required to testify in public. Men don't have to dress up as women to hurt men. Men just hurt us. trans women are not having the level of courage to buck a binary that has been created by a patriarchal society for hundreds of years as a game your identity has nothing to do with other women it has to do with yourself and trans women are women and that's what somebody like her i think cannot comprehend because she's clearly never to your point investigated her own experience her own trauma or her own freedom to that level and then how can we decenter ourselves

00:06:57 - 00:07:33 | Speaker 1:

too it's like we have there's a whole there's a piece around like dealing with our owning our story dealing you know dealing with our trauma and we're responsible for that as adults but also decentering ourselves so that it's not just about like my feelings and what's going on with me it's like how do I like look look out and like not diminish myself but understand that there's other perspectives and other ways of seeing things and and not making sure that I don't let my trauma my whatever allow me to not have perspective to like look outside myself and not like always center

00:07:33 - 00:08:47 | Speaker 2:

myself well and I think that's one of the healthiest side effects of doing the work is in a in an interesting way you get better at boundaries and you also get more gentle with people at the same time you can make more space for people and i'm curious if we can like i want to deep dive a few questions specifically on the book because i i'm like girl we need to like sit with a bottle of wine and have this political conversation for four hours over a good italian meal but but the book in particular when you think about that because choosing to go inward and do this project is so personal and you do it essentially in these three gorgeous acts there's three segments of the book but in a way when you offer us these lessons by being so specific about your journey you de-center yourself in a way because you give us tools that are for everyone and I I'm curious how you began to figure that out and especially when you look back at you know I want to ask a question about every segment. In the first segment, knowing something was off and then finding your identity in art, you know, thinking about ASFA, like, how did that begin to make sense for you?

00:08:47 - 00:10:47 | Speaker 1:

So the book is, this came from my therapist, Jennifer Burnflyer, who I'm seeing tonight. I'm in San Francisco. She's coming to the book event. She said to me in a session many years ago that the journey of healing from trauma is often going from what's wrong with me. think you know as a child like something's wrong with me I'm like not like everybody else and then I you know that was affirmed by my mother who what's wrong with you my teachers what's wrong with you the other kids what's wrong with you and like internalizing what's wrong with me not something's wrong and then evolving as I start therapy and understand that it's not oh it's actually about what happened to me there's nothing wrong with me like I things happened and like people put things on me and yeah so it was about what happened to me and some of a lot of the abuse that happened to me that I was in denial about that I didn't have the capacity to even hold and so I disassociated as a child there was no way I could process all that so I brilliantly disassociated um but at when it's time to be an adult like I have to like if I'm gonna you know stay on the planet, be relatively healthy and functional, I have to actually deal with the trauma and what happened to me and admit that it happened. And start trying to make sense of it and the stories that I've told myself around it and reality check those stories, reprogram and change those tapes and start reprogramming my nervous system. And then the what's right, the part three, what's right with me, part of that healing, that rewiring my nervous system is also about a both and that like, yes, there are neural pathways in my nervous system that are, you know, have been hardwired for trauma that exists in my body in specific places. But there's also like pathways of resilience that have always existed there. And I can build like new pathways and I can fortify the existing pathways of resilience.

00:10:48 - 00:10:49 | Speaker 2:

You can feed those.

00:10:49 - 00:12:50 | Speaker 1:

Yeah. And those pathways of resilience have always been there since I was a kid. And understanding that and looking back at what was really part of the torture was trying to go back and just going back and being two years old, being three years old, and all the fear that I didn't know how to let myself feel. yeah feeling that and trying to make sense of what what's going on for me and as that kid um and understanding that like I had a sense of myself from a very early age and a critical awareness that I developed because like and I think a lot of trans people probably have this and maybe a lot of queer people too because we're told we're supposed to be this way and that you're you know I'm you're a boy whatever and I'm like well that's not right I know I'm not a boy so I just started questioning it was just like a questioning and then I had a sense that I was here for something bigger than me I just that I was here for something big I that's supposed to be a star and like and I just in that sense that sounds crazy and delusional in a way um but the events of my life have like proven that I you know I yeah maybe I wasn't so crazy um that that resilience has always been there that sense of self which is such a miracle such a miracle for me and to have and one of the other gifts of my life is having a twin brother who has been there the whole time and you could bear witness you know I'm like do you remember this do you do you feel like you know and the and for him to be able to say you're the same person you've always been you're more yourself you're you're more uh you're freer you're um less encumbered but you've always this is who you've always been since you were a kid and to have that um affirmed is um that's beautiful beautiful thing yeah we'll be back in just a minute

00:12:50 - 00:15:00 | Speaker 2:

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00:16:49 - 00:19:45 | Speaker 3:

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00:19:45 - 00:20:29 | Speaker 2:

camera you know um in pursuit of a spotlight but also in pursuit of um the process of being an artist like the the learn like really learning to enjoy the process of creating a character Thank you.

00:20:00 - 00:20:40 | Speaker 1:

of rehearsing, of, you know, or of writing when I, you know, we're writing a solo show now, the joys of that, like, but I didn't feel with this book, but, but the joys of being in process and being, and, and, and technique, technical want meeting, like, especially when you study classical ballet, it's a very technical art form. And so there's, there's technique, there's, I have to keep my heels down to the very last minute and pull up so I can get six pirouettes. You know, there's like specific methodology that I need to achieve to like jump higher, to get my legs higher.

00:20:40 - 00:20:41 | Speaker 2:

Yes.

00:20:41 - 00:22:15 | Speaker 1:

So the relationship between being that the acting thing that I learned as an actor that can help me like in being a better human being or more effective in my real life. It's like it's really cool when that happens. um that being an artist is like it's such a sacred um sacred humbling um gift i i calling feels like you know self-important i feel called um it does feel like a calling um and it's my it's mine and whether you know i you know i because i the world i guess i get really self-conscious about like what other you know oh she sucks she can't act you know and like i have i have i'm probably my worst critics like i have moments oh me too nobody's meaner to me than me oh yeah i'm my own worst enemy so no one can be more critical of me than me um but sometimes i have you know sometimes i remember um the third in the third nomination i got i think it was season casual black and i remember when the um season when the um season came out and it's this one particular episode and i was talking to my acting coach and I was like oh I think I pushed I think I over I overacted and it was I saw it it was just like and you know and then like it was a year after we had shot it that it came out and I was just kind of like oh I just thought it was I thought it was terrible and then like literally a year later because the way when orange orange always dropped in the summer so it was like the show would come out a year after we shot it and then the Emmy nominations would come out a year later so like so it was like two years later and I got an Emmy nomination for that episode

00:22:15 - 00:22:20 | Speaker 2:

and I was like you're like oh I guess I did a good job there and I know I went back and watched it

00:22:20 - 00:24:35 | Speaker 1:

and I was like but it was like two years later and I actually had perspective and so often when if it's too close I'm thinking of all the things that I plugged in so I can't I'm not I'm watching as the character in the same sensations energy traumas whatever I plugged in yes because it's still alive in you yeah I feel that too I need like two or three years to be able to look at my work actually so I looked at it I was like oh okay that's not that's not so bad yeah um it's actually it's it's raw it's raw it's dropped in it's big you know but sometimes but it's alive but sometimes it's alive and sometimes Viola I love that moment when um do you see that interview um when Viola was talking about um doing fences um and um doing the thing doing the big scene um i've been standing with you for 18 years um doing that big scene and denzel she does it and she's like i want to be a cinematic actress and she had done it on stage and so i want to you know do a you know a cinematic performance and so she does it and denzel's like what was that and she's like i'm trying to you know not be too big and doing you know you know a cinematic performance he was like well show me what you think is too big and then she does you know she does it it was like that's it that that's actually it don't do the other thing do that and then she said what i learned is that some some moments in life are big yeah some moments in life are big they just are and when you think about that moment of fences yeah you see this dutiful wife like she's like doing you know like taking care of him and like doing all the things and supporting him when he like this they broke down patriarch you know who's just like all about himself really and then he has the nerve the nerve to have a baby and she's it's like and he's like you don't know about when you had to not have your dreams it's like i've been standing with you yes it was just like you see oh i love that so much oh i literally i'm just thinking of like the things that we do

00:24:35 - 00:24:46 | Speaker 2:

well but that's just it right is like we do as human beings and the ability to offer to be so human that other people see themselves i watched her give the most gorgeous speech this

00:24:46 - 00:24:52 | Speaker 1:

year at the NAACP awards oh i saw this i didn't see i wasn't there but oh it was so beautiful you

00:24:52 - 00:25:06 | Speaker 2:

know it's like i i'm lucky i get to i'm like the white friend plus one with nia every year when i'm when I get to be in town and she just, it, It's the most magical room, and her speech was so gorgeous. Oh, my God, and Sterling, and my God, I mean, everybody, but God.

00:25:06 - 00:25:11 | Speaker 1:

It's so annoying. The first, like, three times I met her, I cried.

00:25:11 - 00:25:13 | Speaker 2:

I don't know that I could talk to her.

00:25:13 - 00:27:16 | Speaker 1:

I remember the first SAG award, I was on the carpet, and she walked by me. I was like, I just kind of like, I had to, like, I was like, oh, my God, Laverne, chill. and then we um me and matt mcgory presented you know the um best actress in a you know tv series or whatever and she won particularly murder so we got to present her with you with um sag award which was like epic and i didn't really get to talk to her that night i said a few words backstage but then like the next year at the sag awards are you know orange one for ensemble and at the after party like she and she had won i think for the second year in a row and i passed her And the photographer said, oh, can we get a photo with Viola? And I said, are you said okay with you, Staphis? And she's like, sure. And then I sit down with her and then they take the picture and then I start talking to her. And I just was like, you know, there was a show called Judging Amy back in like the 90s, 2000s. And you had a guest spot on and I didn't know who you were. And you were playing a crack addict who had relapsed and then like was trying to get her daughter back and lost her daughter because she relapsed. and you when they took your daughter away they took your daughter away the way you fell down in the street I was like who is this woman and I was like I was standing acting who is this woman she fell down in the street and she was weeping and it was so raw and it was so real oh my god I can't even yeah and I was like who is this and I googled her and I started seeing her on orders and stuff and I was just like who is this and so I was just like and she was like oh one of my crackheads and she kind of said it you know and i was telling you the story i started crying telling you the story because it's so hard to like when you see something yes you're like no that changed my life the epitome of what you maybe would hope to achieve as an artist one day and it's there it's like and now i'm sitting next to you with a sag award in your hand ma'am it was like 20 this is 25 years ago or something yeah oh my god oh laverne that's

00:27:16 - 00:29:59 | Speaker 2:

Beautiful. We'll be back in just a minute after a few words from our favorite sponsors. Friends, you know, we like to prioritize our health over here at Work in Progress, and we like to do that grounded in science. We got so much amazing feedback from you all when we had a medical expert on the show talking about allergies, allergic reactions, how to be prepared, whether you're the person with allergies like me, or you are a caregiver for someone or the parent of a kid who has them. We all need as much information about this stuff as possible so we can stay safe. And that's why I'm excited about our new friends at Neffy. This is for parents or caregivers of a child that experiences allergic reactions from food, medicine, insect, or other allergy triggers. Now listen, I know this time of year can feel like a lot. There's summer activities and camp and travel and getting ready for back to school. You are doing everything to make sure your child is safe, wherever they are. You're educating coaches and teachers and other parents on your child's allergies, scheduling doctor's appointments, filling out camp and school forms, and the million other things that come with managing your child's allergy diagnosis. But at some point, you have to trust they'll be okay if an allergic reaction happens when you're not there, right? Which is why I want to tell you about Neffy, the only needle-free epinephrine nasal spray for those who weigh 33 pounds or more. It's used for the emergency treatment of allergic reactions, including anaphylaxis. And Nephi works as well as a needle injector and delivers the same trusted epinephrine in a nasal spray. It's designed to be safe and easy to use at the first sign of symptoms. So in a high stress moment, your child or someone else can act quickly to treat an allergic reaction, even if you are not there. Neffy is also small, discreet, and easy to carry, including in a backpack or a lunchbox or a sports bag. So your child is prepared anywhere the day takes them. You can pay as little as $0 for at least four Neffy devices, two packs, through the copay savings program with commercial insurance if eligible. Patients should not pay more than $199 for Neffy. If you have medical conditions or take certain medicines your condition may worsen so tell your doctor about nasal heart thyroid or kidney issues high blood pressure parkinson's diabetes if you're pregnant or breastfeeding and any and all medications side effects include nasal discomfort headache runny nose shakiness and throat irritation those are not all side effects if your child needs a new epinephrine prescription or refill don't wait ask your doctor about needle free nefi today visit nefi

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feel like for you for me personally yeah I mean it's I I like I always try to remind myself that the reason why anyone has listened to me is because I was on a tv show playing a character that they connected to and that gave me the platform that I have to do the work you know the sort of advocacy work that I do outside of acting yeah so I I've I've even when people want me to do other things and focus on other things I've always prioritized acting I've always um focused on that and and I'm I'm at a point now artistically I'm 54 and it's time to it's time to get better at this thing of being an actor I want um I want to be I mean we have Viola Davis and then we have like Emma Emma Stone the work she's been doing there's the girls are acting acting their faces off my god that's where i'm at like um on a personal level and using my voice when I can um the way I can part of my job is to educate so that's that's what that's what I'm going to keep doing and I you know there are moments of being afraid but you know I I don't have kids I um this is my work this is the this is like this is my this is what I'm here to do and I've even had moments where like at a moment where I was like you know people don't always survive these things you know i'm not interested in being a martyr or anything like that um like i don't i'm i'm i tend to not go to protests because it's not yeah i'm like i i as a trans woman i can't get arrested for you like it's not me getting arrested is not you going to jail is not i did that on tv i can't do it in real life no ma'am i just i hope that

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everywhere you go in a time where I know the community doesn't always feel welcome or safe. I hope everywhere you go, at least every day, someone looks at you and says, you got me through something. You changed my life because you are doing that for many of us. That has been one of

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the best blessings of this book tour. Good. You've done that for me, Laverne. I get to hear that because, you know, it's, I, I think when we, three years ago, when all the Bud Light stuff is happening, I felt, I felt like I failed. I felt like, I felt like I failed. And like, all this advocacy, not that it's just about me, and it's kind of egotistical, and I have to check myself. But I felt like I failed, you know, and it was even sort of my fault, because trans people all of a sudden, they weren't visible before Orange is the New Black. And so not to be like self-important but like i felt like i had failed and i still feel a little bit of that and but i also you know so all of this has been so humbling it's been so life will humble you and i and i think i and i welcome it i welcome being humbled um again that's the best thing that's happening for me as well so it just makes me right sized it like it's like i'm i'm just i'm no better than anybody else i'm just on my journey struggling like everybody else is trying to do the best i can and so if there is something i've done or said that has um impacted someone's life in a positive way that is um i i'm i'm i'm able to take it in yeah you can in a way that i haven't always been able to and i need it i need to take it in um because that's what it's about um that's what about it's about being of service in some way yeah i'm filled with so much joy and gratitude and i'm so humbled right now by this moment and i surrender i surrender it's beautiful i'm so

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