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Hi, everyone. It's Sophia. Welcome to Work in Progress. Welcome back to Work in Progress, friends. We have a guest that I am just delighted to host today. She is someone I have looked up to for such a long time, a woman who has never fit in a single box. We are joined today by none other than the iconic Rosie O'Donnell from her incredible career in stand-up, daytime television, film, Broadway, activism. No, I didn't geek out on her about A League of Their Own, but you know I wanted to. She has built a career defined by being undefinable. She has been a courageous leader on the forefront of social goodness. and in recent years her bravery and her candor the things that she's lived with for decades in the public eye have only sharpened she's expanded her life beyond familiar borders and I mean that geographically politically and creatively and this summer she is launching here in the U.S. in New York City a new live one-woman show called Common Knowledge that is tapping into everything that she believes is true and more. It's commentary without filter. It's comedy storytelling. It's richness about human life. And it's something that is uniquely Rosie O'Donnell. Today, I get to ask her all about her upbringing, the history and events that shaped her, and why she thinks comedy cuts through all the noise. Let's dive in with Rosie O'Donnell. hi guys we got rosie o'donnell on the hello hi i'm so excited that you're here Well, you know, I did some reading on you because my daughter said, oh, oh, my God, Sophia Bush. And I was like, is she related to any of the Bush? No. Mom, she's an actress from One Tree Hill, which I didn't watch. Now I feel horrible that I didn't watch it.

You don't need to feel horrible about it.

Well, I would have liked to have, you know, seen your work. But, you know, apparently everyone says you're really killing it on this podcast thing.

Oh, thank you. I just I love it you know it's um I recently went and got to guest host your old show I went to hang out with all the ladies on the view how was that it was so fun but I I said I said you know the view and Oprah like your shows raised me and when I think about being able to watch not just women whose work I loved, you know, professionals who like do great comedy and great things. But watching you all sit down and have conversations about what matters, you know, you really, you're like one of the original users of a platform for good. So I have to thank you for

that. That is very, very nice. Thank you for saying that. I mean, I'll tell you the God's honest truth is that when I was little and my mother was sick, I thought if Barbara Streisand's mother was sick, she would go on The Tonight Show with Johnny Carson and ask everyone to send $10 and everyone would and they'd get $1,000 and they'd get the mother the medicine that they needed. So I knew there was power in celebrity. And to me, there was only one, it was Barbra Streisand, right? So if I wanted to be famous at all, it was because of that. I wanted to be in the Justice League. I thought when I achieved a level of success and financial something, we would form a Women's Justice League. And it would be like, you know, Gloria Steinem and Oprah and Diane Sawyer and Katie Couric and Maya Angelou and Adela Shabazz. And, you know, and I would join because I would have my own charity and I would do right. And we would solve the problems of children in america you know that's that's what i fantasized was going to happen from fame i've

never heard anybody else talk about even something adjacent to what i thought as a kid that's so cool yeah and i wonder too you know you you say it and it's like we had all those women those examples and you know as much as i know the role can be reductionist in certain senses we also grew up watching all these first ladies do good for kids and families so you kind of figure oh when the women get to the upper echelon that's what they do they solve things for the women and

the children and yes and and and that was my belief like not just wish that was my belief that this would all happen and you know i i have that belief that there's going to be all the women bonding together all the powerful women bonding together and saying you know we've had enough of this yeah and this epstein uh situation and this you know child abuse and this listen yeah you're here america we don't have the choice to pretend it's not happening

right right what a surreal thing too when you when you consider the last couple of decades you watch you know we have we had the historic midterms and then we we began to shift the percentages of power in congress and you watched a version of the justice league right the women launched times up and the legal defense fund and look at the backlash i mean you look at these fascists you look at pete hegseth's pastor on npr yesterday saying they're going to take away

women's right to vote look at his tattoo i know for god's sake i know he branded himself yes yes okay america no more willful blindness i know it no more there's trouble at the gates ladies and gentlemen yeah there's trouble at the gates and we're not talking about the border of mexico we're talking about the decency gates they have a leak in them we need to solve this crisis and i don't get really sophia i don't get why so little has happened with so much proof

I know it that's the part that's crazy to me because we know and the the willfulness you know when you think about all the proof in the files and I went into the Epstein reading room here in New York we held a saw that it was a fantastic experience and also

absolutely just gut-wrenching but you stand in in this space and you go like this is all evidence and they don't want to believe it and yet when women say this happens to us they say we're lying oh what a false accusation will do oh these women oh they oh they ask for too much you know we've had one generation of essential equality not even total equality but essential like i i was born into at least an era where I was the first generation that didn't have to have a man co-sign on my rent or a mortgage. You know, I'm 43. So it would have taken me until I was six to be able to get a small business loan. So like, this is why I say essential equality, but it's all rolling back. And I wonder when you think about it, because the central tenant for you change the world for women and children central tenant for me and you you spoke about the aha moment when you were little and your mom was sick and I wonder I ask everyone who comes on the show to think about themselves around eight or nine years old and I wonder if that if you got to encounter that little version of yourself would she see herself in you would you see yourself in her and how close was it to that age that you had your ah we have to change the world for other

kids moment? The first moment that I remember being undone by was news footage from the Vietnam War, the fall of Saigon. And there was a plane, it was a locked shot. And there was a plane that was pushed like this big in the screen. And one of those walk upstairs was pushed on and it was jam-packed with people and the reporters talking and the people are climbing up and an old woman gets kicked or pushed and she falls out of the screen and I started crying and my father couldn't console me and my feelings always were a little bit too much and uh yeah and so highly sensitive people, I think, in some ways, right? I saw Alanis Morissette's documentary on that. And I thought I completely relate to that. Why do you care? It's not happening to you was the common refrain that I always get. This is not happening to you. I know it's not happening to me in order for me to have feelings about it. I know people like that. I've worked with people like that. When there was a story that related to a group that they didn't think was worthy, there would be little, if any, interest, you know, but somebody similar to them was the only way in. Someone different than them was a no entry zone.

Yeah, it's an immediate closed door.

And I don't think they know it, you know, but, you know, the point is, I knew early on. that I had to try to do something to help, right? I wanted, my mother had died, but I wanted my father to adopt a Vietnamese baby because there was a plane full of babies that crashed. This is right after my mother died. I'm like in a turmoil, you know? Of course. No one's talking about it. And, you know, I dreamed of doing Broadway with Barbra Streisand. Wow. That was my delusion that got me kind of, you know, out of the stuff, you know.

What an incredible thing, though, that as a child who was experiencing grief, you immediately related to the grief of others and thought, if I can't solve my own, maybe my own can make space for someone else to have less grief. maybe we can welcome someone in to this hole we're living with and do some good with it and the flip side was and maybe the big way to solve all of it maybe the justice league comes from following the thing that makes me the happiest i could then maybe fill holes for everybody else that's pretty profound rosie you know it's the way my brain works and uh

it's it's kind of hard because I don't always understand in some ways why people don't see it like it it's beyond my comprehension because of what I do feel innately I can't believe that people don't see it like I I don't know I don't know what to do like I and I feel with every ounce of my being that the only way to heal is just To welcome them back because they were lied to by billionaire corporate executives. Yes. It's a show about a man who was now president that was pure fiction, and they sold it as fact, and you believed it, and he's robbing the country and raping and pillaging people metaphorically and physically.

Literally, yeah.

Evidence to prove it.

Yes.

And he's hiding it from us.

yes and why doesn't everyone see this and now a word from our sponsors who make this show possible friends you know we like to prioritize our health over here at work in progress and we like to do that grounded in science we got so much amazing feedback from you all when we had a medical expert on the show talking about allergies allergic reactions how to be prepared whether you're the person with allergies like me, or you are a caregiver for someone or the parent of a kid who has them, we all need as much information about this stuff as possible so we can stay safe. And that's why I'm excited about our new friends at Neffy. This is for parents or caregivers of a child that experiences allergic reactions from food, medicine, insect, or other allergy triggers. Now listen, I know this time of year can feel like a lot. There's summer activities and camp and travel and getting ready for back to school, you are doing everything to make sure your child is safe wherever they are. You're educating coaches and teachers and other parents on your child's allergies, scheduling doctor's appointments, filling out camp and school forms, and the million other things that come with managing your child's allergy diagnosis. But at some point, you have to trust they'll be okay if an allergic reaction happens when you're not there, right? Which is why I want to tell you about Neffy, the only needle-free epinephrine nasal spray for those who weigh 33 pounds or more. It's used for the emergency treatment of allergic reactions, including anaphylaxis. And Neffy works as well as a needle injector and delivers the same trusted epinephrine in a nasal spray. It's designed to be safe and easy to use at the first sign of symptoms so in a high stress moment your child or someone else can act quickly to treat an allergic reaction even if you are not there. Neffy is also small discreet and easy to carry including in a backpack or a lunchbox or a sports bag so your child is prepared anywhere the day takes them. You can pay as little as zero dollars for at least four Neffy devices two packs through the copay savings program with commercial insurance if eligible. Patients should not pay more than $199 for Neffy. If you have medical conditions or take certain medicines, your condition may worsen. So tell your doctor about nasal, heart, thyroid, or kidney issues, high blood pressure, Parkinson's, diabetes, if you're pregnant or breastfeeding, and any and all medications. Side effects include nasal discomfort, headache, runny nose, shakiness, and throat irritation. Those are not all side effects. If your child needs a new epinephrine prescription or refill, Don't wait. Ask your doctor about needle-free Neffy today. Visit neffy.com, that's N-E-F-F-Y.com, or call 1-877-MY-NEFFY to learn more. Stay safe out there.

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of what they assisted listen i think we all have to come to that point in some way or another in our own lives and we can all name that moment right right now when i you know tricked into thinking something was different than it really was and uh what was the damage done to it you You know, well, what's the damage done to our country? There are many metrics which we can look at. None of them are good. Yeah. And it's now or never. I feel like, you know, Paul Revere and the boy who cried wolf all at the same time.

I know.

I'm like, you people, are you not? You know, when I when I'm doing I'm doing this one woman show in New York and when I rehearse the lines just sitting by myself at night, my kid in the other room, 13 years old, goes, that's a lie, mom. I never said that. That is absolutely untrue. You're exaggerating again. I go, I'm just rehearsing. Let me do it. I don't like that you do this show. I don't think you should do it. and i tried to explain here's how mommy makes a life as an artist i take the true things that happen and i make something beautiful out of them yeah and so what's happened to me in the last dozen years is you it's been you for a dozen years yeah that's what i've been doing and so this is about you and me wow we're a good team kid that's but i understand my other children said the same thing you know i told her that i said your siblings felt the same thing yes it's not like i don't care i do care and i don't think it's easy to have a famous mother especially one who feels the need to tell everyone everything right but there's something really interesting

in that too you know comedy comedy cuts through noise and um polarity and it it it manages to get everybody in the same room in a way that I don't think anything else does I think you're right I'm wondering like it also takes a certain courage you know I can't wait to come see the show by the way we'll get we'll get to the show but I'm thinking about it like you know I'm a big emotional puddle all the time and I have a I have a sense of humor and when I really get fired up about something especially politics people are like why don't you do comedy and I'm like I think I would I would die but I can write you know very emotional observations and I'm I'm coming near the to the end of writing my first book and I think about this thing that your kid is talking about like what are you doing telling the stories but when you tell the stories with humor I don't know it takes all the tension after

of the room. Do you think comedy became part of your identity because in a big Irish Catholic family, you know, I know because I have them like it's a noisy household. You got to figure out how to be heard. Or did you find it as a language to sort of give yourself the mic in a world that didn't really want to listen to women, let alone queer women, let alone smart women. God forbid you're smart and politically opinionated you know like how how did you find it to get to this point

now you know i had so many you know i was born in 1962 so i remember vietnam yeah i remember the neighbor charlie cossack coming back with a hole in his helmet and showing us because my mother put a big twin sheet that she wrote welcome home charlie in red paint on and she hung it from our windows of our bedroom and we walked over and i'm young you know i'm young in this story and we give charlie kossack the steak now we didn't really have steak a lot because it was expensive but we made my mother made a special dinner and she wasn't a particularly good cook very Irish meat and potatoes, not a lot of seasoning, but she brought that over there. So I remember that. I remember the women's movement. I remember getting our bodies ourselves in seventh grade from a math teacher who was a feminist. And, you know, I would go to women's bookstores. I would read Gloria Steinem, Ms. Magazine. I subscribed right away to Ms. Magazine. I was the greatest thing in the world. And, you know, when Trump attacked me, I thought, well, watch what happens when the National Organization of Women hears what he just did. And guess what happened? Nothing. And I was like, no, are you serious? I'm serious? This joke of a human, you're going to let him do this to me? Everybody else? Like, I was like, and he went on shows with, you know, other entertainers, comedians.

Yeah.

So he went on those shows and talked to them and, you know, ha ha, isn't that funny? Isn't that funny? For 20 years.

It's so crazy to me, Rosie. He's so obsessed with you.

Mm-hmm.

Like, he's obsessed with you. I have a theory.

We both grew up in Long Island. He grew up in Queens. I grew up in Colmack. you know 20 years younger than him right he's 80 i'm 60 i'm 64 he's 80 whatever he is yeah so he grew up with girls like me tough probably gay irish girls who didn't take from no stupid rich boy wannabe right asshole liar megalomaniac no social skills no empathy no compassion i would have told him to his face and in third fourth fifth grade and i think when i did it to him quote unquote on the view he couldn't believe that i had the balls to attack him yeah because he thinks he is heralded and held up and belongs on mount rushmore and you know solved 108 wars and uh is the number one person on tic tac and you know dumb has a b at the end in it this is the president of the united states of america doesn't understand that he's being tested for dementia when he brags about acing his cognitive tests isn't it crazy it's absolutely

unbelievable it's also wild to me how just childish he is like my favorite thing the thing i say now my my trump too like well there we go is constantly like and another one for he is not smarter than a fifth grader like he couldn't beat a fifth grader on that game show and he acts like a kid he he's like he is like the cranky little rich kid in Willy Wonka who can't share his toys you know even even with the Kennedy Center like they made him take off I keep I was saying online that you know he put his like press-on name up there like press-on nails and they ripped it off and he's so angry that he put a tarp over the Kennedy Center and like I retweet one of the articles I talk about this man all day every day it's what I do

Here's a question. Why is it still up? I know. Are you telling me no person could go and figure out how to take it down? On what authority does he block the name of the JFK Performing Arts Center? We can't allow him to call FIFA and change the soccer score. You don't think he thinks he's all powerful now fuck you fifa man fuck you really what you gave him that peace award because he didn't get the Nobel you're like as corrupt as he is I know that you change and let our guy go in the best guy in a game where he's supposed to sit at

out and you think that's fair and that's not news in america how shameful it is and that that man didn't stand up and say i refuse yeah i refuse to play today because i was given a red card and those are the rules of the game that i love and i've given my life to yeah it's pretty crazy and

even the fact that you know i did i did hear i don't know if i believe it i don't know what to believe anymore the news is insane that's so true but like you know the one of the guys from fifa got up and was like, listen, first of all, the president can call whoever he wants. It's a completely independent board that reviews this. I have nothing to do with it. I had nothing to do with this. Yada, yada. All the refs made the decision. You know, they said something like messy, did the same thing, didn't even get a foul, let alone a red card, whatever. I don't know. I don't care. What makes me crazy is even the suggestion that he would. A, if he's powerless and just wants to take credit he's again he's a petty little bitch boy which is what i called him on the internet and bright burke got very upset with me and i was like that's the seventh nicest thing i've called him this week like what are you talking about exactly are you kidding me with all

of the things that you could say about this man that i know it's like a gift exactly i was like

he is he can't share you don't think this is petty he's the president of the united states putting a tarp over the kennedy center like what are we doing but so it's like the thing for me

with fifa is if he's just saying oh i did it and he knows he didn't he's a child and if he's saying i did it and he tried to do it he's a criminal like the fact that we're tolerating you know

this is this is the office of jimmy carter exactly peanut farm peanut farm but go ahead make a couple billion dollars for you and your corrupt children who stole from a charity so you You don't have the right to have a charity in New York anymore or anyone in your family. How about that, President of the United States of America?

They can't operate a charity, but they're launching the meme coins. I mean, it is so crazy to me.

Yeah, but why isn't anyone doing anything?

I know.

Sophia, seriously, why?

And that's something I really appreciated about the thing Larry David just released, you know, the sort of spoof talking about, well, don't worry. Even if the guy even if somebody like this did get into office, the Congress would do their job. And it's like, but they're not. But they're not. You know, they're not.

And history is recording all of it. History is recording all of it. All of you people who stood by him, all of you sycophants who okayed all of his racist, bigoted, unfair, criminal, crooked behavior. You're all going to go down with him. Yeah. And you deserve to.

And now a word from our sponsors. friends you know we like to prioritize our health over here at work in progress and we like to do that grounded in science we got so much amazing feedback from you all when we had a medical expert on the show talking about allergies allergic reactions how to be prepared whether you're the person with allergies like me or you are a caregiver for someone or the parent of a kid who has them we all need as much information about this stuff as possible so we can stay safe And that's why I'm excited about our new friends at Neffy. This is for parents or caregivers of a child that experiences allergic reactions from food, medicine, insect, or other allergy triggers. Now listen, I know this time of year can feel like a lot. There's summer activities and camp and travel and getting ready for back to school. You are doing everything to make sure your child is safe wherever they are. You're educating coaches and teachers and other parents on your child's allergies, scheduling doctor's appointments, filling out camp and school forms, and the million other things that come with managing your child's allergy diagnosis. But at some point, you have to trust they'll be okay if an allergic reaction happens when you're not there, right? Which is why I want to tell you about Neffy, the only needle-free epinephrine nasal spray for those who weigh 33 pounds or more. It's used for the emergency treatment of allergic reactions, including anaphylaxis. And Neffy works as well as a needle injector and delivers the same trusted epinephrine in a nasal spray. It's designed to be safe and easy to use at the first sign of symptoms, so in a high-stress moment, your child or someone else can act quickly to treat an allergic reaction, even if you are not there. Neffy is also small, discreet, and easy to carry, including in a backpack or a lunchbox or a sports bag. So your child is prepared anywhere the day takes them. You can pay as little as $0 for at least four Neffy devices, two packs, through the Copay Savings Program with commercial insurance if eligible. Patients should not pay more than $199 for Neffy. If you have medical conditions or take certain medicines,

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You know what I think makes me crazy is when you consider, you know, put the morals in column A and go into column B, go into the math. When you think about the way America has grown, has innovated, has boomed with scientific innovation, technological innovation, with entrepreneurship, when you look at the schism in the economy that began when they started changing all the tax laws for the ultra wealthy and this wealth gap that has widened in our country, The idea that anybody can get ahead here now is a ruse. It's a fallacy. And you see like the ultra rich getting so, so rich and people at the bottom remaining there. The cost of living, you know, has increased by 30 to 50 percent, depending on where you live. But minimum wage has not gone up. And and they're telling you it's because of your neighbor, not because of the ultra wealthy that They're literally hoarding the money from everyone else. And that's what's hard for me.

And paying no taxes.

I know. And that's what's hard for me.

And getting government subsidies. And it's a billionaire Ponzi scheme.

Yeah.

And that's what they're doing. And Dr. King called that out. Yes.

You know, we've been talking about this since the 60s.

He was never a successful businessman. man. They never could quantify his wealth in order to put him on the Forbes list. And every year he called and complained to them, but they had to like announce, well, there's no way to quantify what he says his wealth is. Yeah. We can't prove it. Rifter. And, you know, like I said on the view all those years ago, he's like, you know, a snake oil salesman on little house on the prairie. Yeah. And it's very hard for people to realize that they fell for it but it's not your fault you were fed this lie for 10 years from the Celebrity Apprentice when

there was video of who he really is and saying the way things he says about minorities and they hid that too well look what he does look what he says look who he is yeah this is the

best the united states has to offer does it ever because look you you strike me as a person well i know this about you as at least an observer who's always looked up to you and the way you use your platform but i also know what it's like to be a woman who uses her platform and what comes with it. Have there ever been moments where you are afraid to say something, or do you think your commitment to telling it like you see it to the truth is bigger than the sum of all your parts? Totally bigger, because I was afraid at the

Million Mom March, they made me wear a metal vest, a gun vest, whatever, bulletproof vest. I was scared there. Yeah. Where Martin Luther King spoke. I was the host of that after Columbine. I couldn't believe children were being shot in schools in America. Yeah. It was when I had to go on medication. I was having dreams at night that people were in my house with guns and shooting my children and I would wake up in a cold sweat and I was on my show still and trying to pretend like everything was okay, but I was not okay. And then I got medicated. And I thank God I was medicated when 9-11 happened. Thank God. And then when Katrina happened. And world events have a strong undertow for me, one that I'm only learning how to resist because everyone is just one person and you may think that this is the right way to do it but other people have their own way of being in the world and who am I to say you have to do it my way you know you have to find your tribe the people who want to do and inspire you to be better like for me Mark Ruffalo I was lucky enough to work with mark ruffalo on an hbo uh series that we did and i love him very much and i'm so proud of him and his advocacy and his using his platform and his voice and i look up to him tremendously you know and uh cynthia nixon like there there are people that i have met and know and love that are the same you know whether or not you think that's good or bad that's for you to decide but to me it's your responsibility if you've been given so much by this country yeah just end up and use your voice to say hold on people because we are on a scary slope and it's not like fascists are at the door they're in the supreme court yeah they're everywhere okay yeah time to wake up in case of emergency break glass break the glass pull the alarm it's now it's now it's right now you know and artists have to do their best to keep creating to keep being funny to keep being brave yeah artists you know have something to say that

people follow and yeah but you've been brave a long time i mean you thank you sorry it's okay Even when I think, you know, about the personal, the personal courage, not just using your voice to talk about what's going on in the world, you know, for other people, for community, but with yourself. I mean, you, you spoke, I think the first time you spoke publicly about being gay was 2002, right? It was in a set.

Yes, it was Diane Sawyer. Yeah. It was after 9-11 is what I remember.

Yeah.

And everything changed after 9-11. I was very lucky that 9-11 happened. And then six months later, I was off. Now, they had asked me at the beginning of the season to resign, but I wouldn't. But they kept making it more and more money. And it was crazy money.

Wow.

And I already had crazy money. And I knew I wanted to go to my kids' plays at school. And I knew I wanted to be a participatory mother in a way that my mother didn't get to be. so i said no you know but that was right near where i was driving off the exit you know of um celebrity dumb i was like okay i'm gonna take a right turn here you know i'm gonna see how i can do and you know because make no mistake it's a drug you know fame is a Thank you.

drug and i'm a little bit re-famous now it's weird that's what my kids are calling it mom you're re-famous and then it's true because the times and the perception has changed in the country and i i can feel it yeah there's a shift there's been a shift and people are waking up and seeing and now it's just in the doing so what do we do are you telling me that we don't have as many smart, brilliant people on the side of truth that are going to say, this is how you fix this problem, because this is a problem for America.

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