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Hi, everyone. It's Sophia. Welcome to Work in Progress.

Welcome back, Whip Smarties. Let's dive right back into our fantastic conversation with Rosie O'Donnell. when you came out in public I mean yes all bets were kind of off societally I think people realized so much of what they thought they cared about was bullshit after 9-11 happened like what are we fighting about look what happens in the world you know it's like it's like it's that seismic experience of when you have a death in the family and then everyone stops fighting you're like I can't believe we wasted all this time but it was still I mean it was still a risk like I remember watching Ellen and she came out and her show got canceled. Like, I remember those things.

Yes, but I came out because we had had a foster child that we were not allowed to adopt. And because we were gay. Yeah. There were two male nurses, Lofton and Cruteau, who had taken AIDS babies during the AIDS crisis when the parents had both died of drug addiction, taking the HIV positive children and adopt it, fostered them. And then some of them zero converted to negative because of their care and treatment. And sometimes that happens with babies. So they went adopt the 14 year old that had zero converted as a toddler. And the Florida state government wouldn't allow them to adopt the child that they raised because he was now a viable adoption and they didn't want gay people to adopt him. So they couldn't even adopt the foster child they raised. And that was exactly the position I was in. I could not adopt the foster child I raised because I'm gay. So my choice would be to lie. Are you now or have you ever been a homosexual to lie on the court papers, therefore...

maybe having strange people try to nullify the adoption and it would have been probably nullified because i am a lesbian and there's you know nothing's going to change that i mean i don't expect any changes but look at jojo siwa but she is very young she's a very young person you know

she's finding herself she's figuring stuff out that's what i say i mean every gay woman i know

has a dalliance with men at some time i mean there's very few gold star lesbians as they

call themselves yeah i know a few but not a lot i mean i spent a very long time thinking i was just a bisexual woman out here turns out yeah don't think so yeah well you know it's hard to think

ourselves right it's hard to figure out you know in my show i talk about my daughter saying to me are you non-binary? And I said, no. And they said, are you sure? And I said, yes. And they said, then what are you? And I said, I'm an OG lesbian bitch. Bitch is pejorative, especially for a

feminist. Incredible. 11 years old. Yeah. You're like, let me have my terms.

Well, I was just like, that's a pretty elaborate thought process for a little kid to go to.

For an 11-year-old to know pejorative in the first place is already wildly impressive.

Well, she has a thing called hyperlexia and echolalia, two things that a lot of autistic kids have. One of them is when there's like a tape recorder in your brain. This is echolalia. And if you hear something, your brain records it and then you can recite it in the dialect that you heard it so she was at school and a boy kept calling her psycho so I asked the teacher which was the father and they told me I went over to the father introduced myself and said why does your kid call my kid a psycho and he goes listen it's very upsetting but my son is very sensitive and she tells him scary stories I said really I've never heard her tell a scary story what's the scary story he says where's waldo say where's waldo with the striped shirt how scary is where's waldo he goes that's what he tells me i go home i say clay do you have a story where's waldo she said yeah i tell it at school a lot half the kids like it half the kids hate it those are pretty good odds i said yeah you're right those are pretty good odds can you tell me the story she says yeah she takes a breath she goes it was a dark and dreary night in the bowels of the kingdom the dungeons were full of stank from rats infected i said to her stop stop what are you doing she said that's that's the story of uh of where's waldo that's how it begins and she can recite the entire thing that's called echolalia and then she has hyperlexia when she was in second grade the teacher said we have to test her vocabulary and they give kids in second grade 100 words and she got 99 right and the only word she got wrong was broom and that's because she said a sweeper because she used to watch Peppa Pig and that's what they call it on Peppa Pig and when she was two to four and a half she spoke with a British accent where people would say we'd be at the park and she'd say mommy might I have a spot of tea and the woman would say you adopted from london i said no she's from texas she has autism echolalia and hyperlexia wow so she's like this little she's like a little linguistic prodigy yes incredible and she has you know she has moderate autism you know not people say hers is very light i'm like theirs is very light i'm like no it's actually moderate and you know i just don't always discuss the more difficult stuff because i feel as though you know that's her business the light that i show her in is the brilliance of her yeah of course is it an

interesting thing to have a young one with neurodifference because one of the things that fascinates me even learning about my own where I'm like, oh, it's not just me. Like these are interesting. Okay. Nothing like being an overachiever who gets diagnosed in your 40s. That's a fun journey. Yes, exactly. I think about what it must be like to be a kid learning how your brain works now because there's so much research. I mean, even like a few months ago, researchers believe that they've proven that ADHD is a developmental advantage and they sort of went through the whole reasoning of this and what it offers in terms of creative problem solving and how AD brains helped us survive crazier times when there weren't guaranteed resources. And like, I wish I'd known this. I completely believe that.

Wow. Yeah. I always tell people, you know, ADD has really worked for me. So, you know, I don't know what to tell you. But when I was on my show, the University of Seattle, I believe it was a Bill Gates study, was doing all this autism research. And they called and sent a letter, they wanted to test me for autism because of my ability to retain lyrics and jingles and songs. And they said, it's really not normal what you're able to do. And I was like, wow, that's exciting. But I have a kid and I can't, I'm doing a show. I can't really fly to be tested for three days. And in case I might have autism, which at the time, you know, I didn't think twice about it. But now that I've been raising this child, I go, I see, you know, I used to think all my friends who had kids who were autistic, I thought I should be the one to get an autistic kid. I would understand. And I think the way that you have to, if you're an autism parent and you learn your own language and routines with them that are often misunderstood by people who love you and love the child yes you know like my child sleeps in the bed with me still and they're 13 and it's exhausting it's exhausting to not you know to be hit with you know a kick you know not

in a violent way just sleeping sleeping kids are very active very active and um you know a lot of

people have judgment in my world and say, you know, you have to do this, you have to do that. And I thought she was out. No, she was out for about six months. And then I went away to Australia to work for three weeks. And when I came back, back in the bed. Right. So everyone that I talked to, all of our helpers, everyone says when they're ready, they will go.

They'll go.

And then that will be that. Don't worry. This is not going to be, you know, they're going to end up their whole life doing this, you know.

Right. What a gift, though, to be in this time, you know, that your kid gets to be raised by you. Because if you were your kid's age with your parents, you might not have been given the patience.

No, no.

To develop in the way you needed to. Yeah.

Everyone thought that you have to be stricter with these kids. My kids think that, too. They're like, you have to be stricter with her. I'm like, listen, you guys, this is a different situation. You guys didn't sleep with me, remember? What do you think? I changed as a mom? Or did the kid change? And there's a diagnosis, you know? Yeah. There's a doctor's diagnosis of this. This is someone who does not have Apple software. They have some strange computer that you have to figure out how to use. and it's not one you've ever seen before and you're not good at coding and you don't know and you just keep freaking hitting the keys and trying this and trying that and you know and mostly their self-esteem now if I were to send you pictures of how they just went out we're here in the Jersey Shore and we are doing a family two weeks hangout at the Jersey Shore and my son who just had a baby and his wife are coming with the baby who's three months old so that's unbelievable but we were at the Jersey Shore and she had on a green wig she's 13 goggles and leather gloves it's 85 degrees and a skirt and boots amazing different kinds she

dresses like cindy lopper in 1980 i was going to say this feels very betsy johnson cindy lopper

yes yes yes 1980 so cool yeah so many artists i know have adhd autism spectrum they have something They have some four letter, three little ditty. And, you know, figuring out yourself is a life journey. You know, it's not like you, oh, well, that's what I am. So therefore I stopped growing and I just stay in this one definition of who I am. But moving to Ireland really forced me to step out of my comfort zone, you know.

I was going to ask if some of this feels related to getting so far outside the system you've been used to, because a different brain is, to your point, a different operation.

system. And I'm so curious what it's been like to live overseas and outside of the sort of

Americanness we're all so steeped in. Well, you know, the greatest thing about it is the lack of celebrity culture in Ireland. Because, you know, people would say to us, welcome, Clay. Welcome, Rosie you belong here in Ireland never can I have a picture can I have so Clay and I go to this place and where it's an outdoor place we can get a burger and a couple next to us with a little baby and Clay's playing with the baby and me and the couple are talking so it turns out we sort of had dinner together but not at the same table really close and yeah after about two hours they said uh thank you for talking to us rosie and i just want to let you know we're both big fans and i said oh you just thought you'd bring it up here at the end of the dinner and he goes well it's not the most important thing now is it and i was like a sentence never heard in america wow and so there's a lack of celebrity culture which allows you to be seen and live as a full completely integrated person you know with with no none of the tendrils of fame right right it drags behind you sometimes and yeah you know it's very hard to talk about because in america it's held up as the be all end all so if you say anything about it that you know people will get mad you know what do you god forbid you complain you're ruining my dream of what it is just be quiet and be happy you're there you know yeah and now a word from our sponsors who

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it's gone before you know it right you know it can be gone in a flash like mine was gone after the first day of my show wow really just overnight overnight holy now i had done a bunch of movies i But it's different. I was not known, but to be super known, and in the category with someone as powerful and meteor-esque as Oprah Winfrey, I mean, that's a pretty powerful soul in every way that you can measure it.

You know, when you think about getting some of your your personhood back over there in a way, do you think the space Ireland gave you is why you're ready to come back and do your next show?

i think the space ireland gave me made me want to come back and see my son's baby and i had been doing it in australia in scotland in i had been doing it in europe so i've done

about 50 or 60 show performances of it already oh my god i didn't realize yeah so then when i'm

going to be in America to see my son's baby I said can we just do like you know four like 12 shows maybe four a week and um in a little theater Daryl Roth who's a big Broadway producer I've worked with before and I really enjoy her she's just one another Tony and so she said you know let me present it and we'll do 12 shows what do you say and you know so we're going to do that and um you know i wanted to see with the changes that i've made because the play is essentially a love letter to ireland it really is and so i had to take out a lot of the irish stuff the second part of the show is really much more about all the irish stuff right and it starts with the day my mother died and it ends with the last day I saw her so there are very sad parts in it as well and sometimes people in the audience cry you know and uh well they're very startled at the beginning when that's how it starts they're like right wait a minute isn't this supposed to be a

comedy show right they're like wait Rosie you're so funny why am I crying where's the Trump jokes

Thank you. Right, right, right. We thought we thought you were going to call him a petty little bitch.

Exactly. Come on. Do it. Do it.

Yeah. Wow. Well, so you kick off next week in New York, Wednesday, the 22nd. What do you think it's going to feel like to be back in New York for you? Because like this, I know Ireland's home, but like this is home too, right?

Yeah, this is definitely home. You know, it feels good and familiar. It also feels very loud. I feel a little bit more anxiety. Just, you know, in New York, sometimes the days New York wins, you know, New York is a beast, right? And that's where I'm staying and where I'm doing the show. And, you know, I sold everything before I left. And so I'm hoping to get like a place in New Jersey near my kids so that I could, when I'm home, we can have a home base here as well, you know? so we're planning on on doing that and you know i don't know how long we'll stay there i think it really does depend on what happens politically in the country and um if i feel mentally healthy enough to you know battle those those demons and and some days i do some days i feel very strong and other days i feel like oh boy this is a lot you know yeah he's like bombards you he it's always he's doing something you can't even watch the soccer game or you know he ruins everything

it's really like dealing with him is like a very horrible version of the tomato festival that happens in italy every summer you're just you're just getting f***ing pelted in the face all the time it's like stop you know and i know that's their whole thing like him and bannon they're like flood the zone with s*** and they won't know what to but it's like nobody wants to be on the receiving end of a fire hose of and and that that's your goal just like says so much about you so I get it there are days like I got asked this morning if I'd seen something horrible and I was like no I I just like sometimes I need a day where I don't look at the news but then because I'm such a communicator of the news to people I get yelled at if I haven't communicated about the most and I'm like I don't know what to tell you guys I'm just one person and sometimes I gotta

turn off. Yeah. But I got to tell you, I took all of the American news channels off of my TV and I only watch Irish and English now and sometimes, uh, wash, uh, Al Jazeera just to see what's happening over there. And I have so much calmer for it. I can't tell you the difference that it makes in my mental health and my happiness level, you know, my ability to experience joy still. And because it's very, very hard to experience joy when you're in the thick of the Epstein library. Yes. When you're in the thick of that young boy that was left on the island by your friends. It's so awful. That you can't believe what the Supreme Court is doing and doing boldly in front of everyone and is he going to let us have elections that's my big question is he going to let us or is he going to you know make some sort of tragic event occur and then declare that it's too dangerous and this is a time of war and we can't all vote right so you know i think it's uh scary yeah and now a word from our sponsors

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used by lenders. Member FDIC. Friends, you know we like to prioritize our health over here at Work in Progress, and we like to do that grounded in science. We got so much amazing feedback from you all when we had a medical expert on the show talking about allergies, allergic reactions, how to be prepared, whether you're the person with allergies like me or you are a caregiver for someone or the parent of a kid who has them. We all need as much information about this stuff as possible so we can stay safe. And that's why I'm excited about our new friends at Neffy. This is for parents or caregivers of a child that experiences allergic reactions from food, medicine, insect, or other allergy triggers. Now listen, I know this time of year can feel like a lot. There's summer activities and camp and travel and getting ready for back to school.

You are doing everything to make sure your child is safe wherever they are. You're educating coaches and teachers and other parents on your child's allergies, scheduling doctor's appointments, filling out camp and school forms, and the million other things that come with managing your child's allergy diagnosis. But at some point, you have to trust they'll be okay if an allergic reaction happens when you're not there, right? Which is why I want to tell you about NEPHE, the only needle-free epinephrine nasal spray for those who weigh 33 pounds or more. It's used for the emergency treatment of allergic reactions, including anaphylaxis. And Nephi works as well as a needle injector and delivers the same trusted epinephrine in a nasal spray. It's designed to be safe and easy to use at the first sign of symptoms. So in a high stress moment, your child or someone else can act quickly to treat an allergic reaction, even if you are not there. Neffy is also small, discreet, and easy to carry, including in a backpack or a lunchbox or a sports bag, so your child is prepared anywhere the day takes them. You can pay as little as zero dollars for at least four Neffy devices, two packs, through the copay savings program with commercial insurance if eligible. Patients should not pay more than $199 for Neffy. If you have medical conditions or take certain medicines, your condition may worsen. So tell your doctor about nasal, heart, thyroid, or kidney issues, high blood pressure, Parkinson's, diabetes, if you're pregnant or breastfeeding, and any and all medications. Side effects include nasal discomfort, headache, runny nose, shakiness, and throat irritation. Those are not all side effects. If your child needs a new epinephrine prescription or refill, don't wait. Ask your doctor about Needle-Free Neffy today. Visit neffy.com, that's N-E-F-F-Y dot com, or call 1-877-MY-NEFFY to learn more. Stay safe out there.

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of my reminder you know if i've spent all day calling representatives or on 46 zooms and then raging about a thing and i'm writing an op-ed i go i gotta like get outside and listen to the kids laugh exactly because i have to remember what i'm fighting for like i have to have that you have to

do it and you know and and that's what i'm you know i'm fighting for peace of mind and my own mental health and I know enough to take it seriously some people don't survive people I know and love you know yeah lost uh family members and loved ones and you know nobody gets out of this unscathed right yeah well but but I hear delight even when you

talk about the show when you talk about going to host jimmy kimmel like yeah you're gonna go laugh

my grandbaby i have pure delight being here on the jersey shore even though there was a horrible storm last night and oh the lightning hit so close to the house that the fire alarm went off and kept saying fire fire every time the strike the alarm went off and screamed fire fire which was not good for anyone I don't think wow but there was no fire knock wood I'll knock on my

wood too thank god you know it's my favorite question to ask everybody but I'm really curious for you because you everyone's holding their world but you're a person who holds really like you hold your arms outstretched wide for a lot of people and a lot of experiences is you know you're in this season that this re-famous as your kids say like a reinvention of a moving a reclamation all these things for you what feels like your work in progress right

now you know my work in progress is to maintain my equilibrium right I don't think I'm at my best when I'm raging. And that's why the view for me was very difficult. Because there were things that were enraging by the way the show was run and, and the subjects that we were often asked to talk about that I thought, you know, this is demeaning to women or, you know, whatever the issues were, that is not the best use of my time or talent. You know, when I know that, And I took a while to learn that. And so, you know, my philanthropy can't interrupt my ability to find the delight in life. And in and that means you have to participate. You have to participate. You know, I used to smoke pot before I went to Ireland because it's illegal there. So in a year and a half, I haven't smoked any pot. And I feel a little bit clearer. tell you the truth. I feel more present, obviously, in my life and less forgetful, less taken out of something, you know. And if you would have told me a year and a half or two years ago, oh, you're going to go there and you're going to quit pot and you're going to feel better, I would have said no freaking way, you know. No way. And I'm not advocating it for anyone besides someone who thinks they'd like to participate more in their own life and spend less time trying to quell the 12 monkeys in your brain.

Right. But I think what I'm hearing you say is you're really open to possibilities you didn't see coming.

Totally.

And that feels like a really cool place to be.

Yeah. And I feel like what's supposed to happen will happen. And I'm at peace with that. They're like, what do you want to do after Jimmy Kim? I just want to do my best. I just want to, you know, be as good as I can be and be joyful and be happy and know that some of those people who believed in him are good people and they were led astray and we have to lay our arms open for them too. We all have been there and this is liberty and justice for all still.

I also think when you've gone full circle through the emotions of it, I understand the anger is righteous. I'm angry all the time. I think when you're frustrated, people haven't been listening. Great, but you can't stay in the frustration or the anger. The whole point of knowing better is also doing better.

so if we can do better, if we've known better, we have to be willing to say, oh, you're ready to do better, then come do it with us. Because the other part of it is like, well, we're going to cut off

our nose to spite our face? No, we're not freeing the insurrectionists. No, we're not. We're not saying every crime that you've ever committed is forgiven over your newfound understanding of who this man is but I do think there has to be you know that roomy quote right in the field next to right and wrong there's a field I'll go I'll meet you there yeah right so yeah that that's what I'm what I'm hoping for that's what I'm trying to manifest that's what I mean and knowing like listen Jimmy asked me to do this it's quite an honor I'm gonna do it you know I love that for you and i'm gonna try my best you know and have fun and enjoy it you know enjoy it yeah

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